>He thinks Linux doesn't have telemetry.

The difference is that on Windows it's opt-out while on Loonix it's either non-existent or opt-in.

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>>58638760
>ubuntu is linux

>>58638775
But it has, that's the point.

>>58638847
If Windows was open-source so we could see what's being sent and if you could easily disable all telemetry, no one would complaint either. The problem isn't just telemetry, it's closed-source forced telemetry.

>>58639108
>He doesn't know how to block network packages.

>Ubuntu is Linux

Also, I use Ubuntu for about 5 years and I've never experienced this before.

>Telemetry is an automated communications process by which measurements and other data are collected at remote or inaccessible points and transmitted to receiving equipment for monitoring.
does it still count as telemetry?

>>58639149
So, Ubuntu has been using telemetry for 5 years and you have been clueless about it?

And I though Windows users were the normies.

>>58639184
>Source, my ass.

>>58639220
sorry here you go
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telemetry

>>58638847
Would you rather people didn't report errors, crashes or bugs and live with broken software?

>>58639184
it doesn't. ubuntu has no telemetry.

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>>58639242
>He quoted Wikipedia

>>58639290
OP, just accept that ubuntu does not have telemetry and your thread is shit

>>58639258
I'm pro telemetry, dude.

>>58638760

 sudo apt remove whoopsie 

wow that was hard.

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>>58639260
>That denial

>>58638760
unless you are mentally challenged, and purposely install shit, GNU plus Linux does not have this problem

>>58639312
But it has, I cannot deny it.

That's a crash report, not telemetry. There's a big difference.

A crash report sends data relevant only to the program that crashed, and it's usually just the error message in the program's logs, any relevant dmesg data, and sometimes debugging data. You have the option not to send it, and often when you do send it you're able to attach a note explaining what you were doing at the time so the developer can attempt to duplicate the crash and triage the bug.

Telemetry is automatically collected data about the OS and kernel and is silently fed to the developers whether there's a crash or not. It's exactly like flight telemetry where it's a bunch of data about how the whole system is functioning so that the developer can determine if certain processes slow the whole system down unnecessarily that way they can better optimize those processes and roll out the optimizations in future updates, or locate things that MAY cause a crash in the future and fix it before it ever happens so the user never experiences the crashes in the first place.

The former is reactive while the latter is proactive. Both have their benefits and drawbacks (like not knowing if private data is being sent with the telemetry) but the former lets you review all of the data being sent and choose whether or not you want to send it.

>>58639334
That doesn't mean Ubuntu doesn't come with telemetry, it means you can remove it-

>>58638760
Posters like this should be permabanned on sight 2bh

>>58639374
You don't even know what that word means buddy.
Blowing out buzzwords like the incompetent tech-illiterate retard you are.

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>>58639372
Sure anon, is not telemetry, "its crash report".

>>58638760
>Not automatic
>Not on most distros
>Can be actually disabled completely with one command

Weak bait, fuck off.

>idiots falling for an obvious b8

>>58639395
I know, the difference is that I'm not in denial like you are, I just accept it.

>>58639372
Also, you can see the exact message that will be sent in the Ubuntu crash reporter.


Unrelated: Remember to sage lads

>>58639396
You don't comprehend English very well, do you? I just explained the difference between the two. Unless you can show how it IS telemetry (it isn't) then your reply just shows how butthurt you are over being incorrect.

>>58639428
It will use the info taked from your computer to improve the product, just like telemetry.

>>58639423
So? still is sending the info.

>>58639372
thank you for your effort to explain this retard what "telemetry" is, but that shit won't even read it.

sage pls, 18 years old rule

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>>58639501
>So butthurt that is has to sage.

>>58639132
Good luck blocking encrypted tcp packets sent over port 443 to unofficial MS/NSA servers.

>>58638760
>implying I use that crapware
>implying I don't use TrueOS

>>58639501
Yeah, I'm starting to see that.

>>58639553
>He can''t block domains.

Are yo sure your skills goes beyond changing the wallpaper, anon?

>>58639625
>block all domains
>next update introduces 1000 new ones

>>58639694
>He is to lazy
>He can't use wildcards

pfff

you're right OP!
And browsing the internet sends packets just like telemetry so it's the same thing too!
You're best to plug the cable and stay permanently offline.

>>58639832
I'm not anti-telemetry, anon.

>>58638760
Gentoo doesn't have this problem

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>>58638760
>implying optional uploading of crash dumps is the same thing as closed source mandatory information collection
Nice bait, retard. Also,
>obama
Pretty fitting for a dumbshit such as yourself.

>>58640012
>Implying that telemetry has to be close source.

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>>58638760
>>58639132
>>58639327
>>58639625
>>58639702
>Here's Microsoft's privacy policy:
https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement
>Here's Microsoft's admission in regards to Windows 10 and telemetry:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/02/microsoft-confirms-unstoppable-windows-10-tracking/#59801ae12f4a
>And here's an independent traffic analysis of the supposedly secure version of Windows 10, Windows 10 Enterprise:
https://archive.is/QFL8e
>Here is the roughly 8-hour network traffic analysis of 5508 connection attempts of an unused, base install of Windows 10 Enterprise
And if you still think you can do anything to disable telemetry, here's proof of Microsoft's involvement in the NSA's PRISM data collection program:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/17/4517480/nsa-spying-prism-surveillance-cheat-sheet
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data

>>58640197
>He thinks telemetry has to do with MS.

Your obsession with MS is admirable anon, but I don't know what's the point in this discussion since we are talking about Linux.

>>58640235
And do you realize that Linux is open source and that you can easily use another distro? And guess what, you can do a network traffic analysis and find out where your data is being sent after submitting a crash report, which is optional by the way.
http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-disable-stop-uninstall-apport-error-reporting-in-ubuntu

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>>58638760

>>58640296
>And do you realize that Linux is open source and that you can easily use another distro?

Yes, so?

>And guess what, you can do a network traffic analysis and find out where your data is being sent after submitting a crash report

Nice, still is telemetry, you can remove it, but it has telemetry, I never said telemetry is a bad thing in the first place, you look confused.

>>58640235
>He thinks telemetry has to do with MS
I've proven that is has to do with a lot more companies than just Microsoft. Is that reassuring or acceptable?
>Your obsession with MS is admirable anon
How do you justify willingly subjugating yourself in your own home by using Windows 10? I've provided a tutorial on how to completely uninstall this crash reporting tool. Can you even provide a single argument?
>but I don't know what's the point in this discussion since we are talking about Linux.
...

>>58640325
>Yes, so?
So, don't file crash reports, since they are optional and don't use Ubuntu?
>>58640325
>>>58640296 (You)
>>And do you realize that Linux is open source and that you can easily use another distro?
>Nice, still is telemetry, you can remove it, but it has telemetry, I never said telemetry is a bad thing in the first place, you look confused.
And for the fifth time, it's optional. It's not like you're obligated to provide any personal data while installing Ubuntu, which is not the case with Windows 10. And it's not like this crashes happen constantly.

>>58640197
if you're going to post about microsoft, do it well


Obligatory pasta.

Microsoft is part of NSA's mass surveillance program "PRISM":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

Microsoft informs the NSA about bugs before fixing them:
https://archive.is/OBGB1

Microsoft openly offeres cloud data to support PRISM:
https://archive.is/tW6fu

Microsoft has backdoored its disk encryption:
https://archive.is/2XIvX
https://archive.is/qLRZx

Windows snoops on the users' files, text input, voice input,
location, contacts, calendar records and web browsing history,
even after related settings are turned off:
https://archive.is/thsGd
https://archive.is/sz1nt
https://archive.is/g3QdQ
https://archive.is/ko469
https://archive.is/l6pmO
https://archive.is/zK93U

Micrcrosoft automatically downloads Windows 10 on PCs running
Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 (between 3.5GB and 6GB), even if
users have not opted-in:
http://archive.is/CEvKh

Windows 10 scans for illegal/pirated software:
https://archive.is/vhjwm
https://archive.is/2jehd
https://archive.is/KQsBh

Microsoft proudly presents surveillance statistics:
https://archive.is/MB0Yy

> Over 82 billion photos viewed.
> Gamers spent over 4 billion hours playing PC games.
> 44.5 billion minutes/month spent in Microsoft Edge.
> Over 2.5 billion questions asked of Cortana since launch.
> Windows 10 now active on over 200 million devices.

>>58640383
Thank you.

>>58639189
>being this actively on the hunt for a beef
surely not a bait thread

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>>58638760
pic related

>>58640348
You proved nothing, I can also spam a lot of links in 4chan. bigdeal.

>How do you justify willingly subjugating yourself in your own home by using Windows 10?

Implying.

>>58640365
>So, don't file crash reports, since they are optional and don't use Ubuntu?
Who said telemetry was bad?

>And for the fifth time, it's optional.

That doesn't mean is not there.

>>58640383
This thread is about Linux anon, why do you keep spamming your crippy obession with MS?

>>58640939
Because this thread is in fact about canonical, that is a known company to do not like being involved in linux or any gnu/linux related project. They prefer doing their own stuff, which tends to be shit, and they adopt a behaviour that reminds the one of microsoft. They gives you a system that is said to just werk when in fact, it is bloated and unstable.
From an outside point of view, it seems they actually prefer working with microsoft than the linux and FOSS community.

There's no point on arguing with OP, people in this board wouldn't recommend this trash tier distribution for the problem of privacy, ethic and because there are a lot of better distributions.

Providing this anon a good pasta actually made this thread useful if I had to guess.

>>58641323
Ubuntu rules.

Debian contains telemetry as well - the last thing you're asked when you install it is if you want to participate in a package usage survey.

I always click yes, because I don't wear tin foil hats.

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5 ruppees have been deposited on your loo

>using ubuntu
what did you expect retard

>>58641406
The survey is used to build the install media for each release. Packages that are the most popular are put first on the discs while rarely used ones are moved to the back.

>>58641433

I know why they collect it, weon. It's still telemetry.

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>>58641427
How about Debian? oops.

>>58641665
i dont care about debian

>>58641665
>clearly opt in and tells you what data they collect directly
OMG SPYING GUIS LEENOX IS AS BADD AS NSA 10 I SWEAR I'M NOT INDIAN!

>>58642391
Still is telemetry, freetard.

How about all these telemetry threads go to >>>/x/ you stupid fucking tinfoil retards.

>>58639395
please feel free to kill yourself anytime.

>>58641665
>Clicking "Continue" fast without reading will set it to "No"
>Reading it actually informs you that there would be data being sent about your computer
>It ends with "Participate?" and Yes/No options, if english is even your fourth language you can find out what this screen wants
>If you won't enable it, it really isn't enabled

If Windows would do even half of these there wouldn't be a problem. Debian does it absolutely right. No one would whine about this feature since you really have to want it to get it.

>>58641665
>defaults to no

>>58643180
So? it is telemetry at the end.

>>58640907
>Pro telemetry
>Not willingly subjugating yourself
Do you even live in reality? And again, how is that admirable or acceptable?
>You proved nothing, I can also spam a lot of links in 4chan. bigdeal.
This is like saying that peer reviewed papers hold the same weight of evidence as someone's opinion.
>>58640919
>Who said telemetry was bad?
Can you even present a logically valid argument?
>Telemetry isn't bad.
...

just because it fits the definition of telemetry does not make it anywhere near as bad as windows', because you can confirm what is sent, where it is sent, and that disabling it actually works.
gb2loo

>>58643677
Who said anything about Windows? you freetards can't stop talking about Windows even in Linux threads.

>browsing internet
>no telemetry

kek

>>58643758
woah it's almost like the heavily implied comparison is of value, but no, keep shitposting that this is "only about linux ;)" while the entire meaning of the op is to antagonize people who dislike fucking real botnets.
pajeet, go back to the loo. i mean it this time.

>>58643445
I don't see how this is telemetry, it's opt-in, and it's not automatic, the fact that it just has a option that closely resembles telemetry, that works for only packages, which do not really contain any personal information, or keystrokes, or anything related to it, it's barely saying debian what packages you installed, and, don't forget it's opt-in, and disabled by default, it's technically not telemetry, please, stop.

>>58642466
yes, macrosoft has washed you out well

>>58643792
You imply to much freetard, looks like you are not happy if Windows is not in your life.

>>58640939
>crippy

>>58644020
and you ignore the popular meaning of words to sit around shitposting semantics all day, it looks like you aren't very good at your job.

When did "telemetry" become a buzzword?

jewbuntu sends all your keystrokes to amazon

>>58638847
If you think that's the point you're a dense motherfucker. The issue people have with Windows 10 is that it's not opt in. Windows 10 tracks your keypresses, and there's fuck all you can do about it.

The fact that you believe that Ubuntu is "Linux" shows how little you actually understand, might I suggest checking with your parents if you're allowed on this website?

>>58647454
But is not just Ubuntu, Debian also has it.

>>58638847
It being Ubuntu's Apport. This has nothing to do with linux.

>>58638760
>uncheck it
>done
wew lad!

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>>58647477
Why would you lie on an anonymous chinese shitposting forum?

>>58639625
You're either stupid or playing stupid. You have no idea what all the Microsoft-related domains even are. They have thousands of them. That's why it's called Microsoft and its partners. The only way to block them is to block everything and then allow access to IPs you deem safe one by one.

>>58647586
Blocking at hardware level of course.

>>58640197
why green arrow gets more fat after skype?

>>58647810
I'm not really sure, but I don't think that's what truly matters.

>>58647810
It's one big green arrow with yellow circles on top of it.
Before skype it was just the shaft of an arrow.

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>>58647521
Because I'm not.

>>58647586
>He is to clueless to know how to batch block all domains.

>>58647503
It is the most popular Linux distro, of course is Linux related.

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>>58638760
>emails have telemetry
>chat rooms have telemetry
>4chan has telemetry
>the internet has telemetry
>all because, according to one anon, telemetry now includes things you can choose to send to people

>>58648217
> talking to people
THAT GIVES OTHER PEOPLE INFORMATION
SOCIAL LIVES ARE BOTNETS.

This is essential /g/ knowledge.

>>58648217
It gathers information from your computer to improve the software, email doesn't do that. internet doesn't do that, telemetry does, so, Linux has telemetry.

>>58648260
but if nothing is sent, is it still a problem?

>>58638760
Has an OS telemetry because you can email the developer?
Because that seems to be what you are implying.

In that case we should all use templeOS.

>>58648278
And when it does, it is, telemetry is there, just dissabled, but it has it.

>>58648285

See:
>>58648278

>>58647891
>>58648070
sorry for being autistic, i don't get any medication

>>58648335
so even if you could disable it, knowing full well it won't be a problem and won't come back at all doing anything shifty, it's still bad?

>>58639396
anon expect microsoft use telemetry as automated crash report and it's kinda funny.

>>58648255
But that's true though.
Not sure why you're trying to mock that.

>>58639497
If you want it too

>>58648151
defaults to no tho

>>58648587
It doesn't mean is not there and that they could change it.

>>58648570
Would you want too?

>>58639372
I'd just like to interject for a moment.

>>58648671
if you're so worried about the chance then maybe it's not them with the problem

Guys please, just ignore bait threads. It's not that hard, come on.

>>58649521
But is not bait, Linux has telemetry.

>>58649433
Who said I was? telemetry is a wonderful tool.

>>58649591
Kerneloops and it still optional and in the userspace. So ghanooslashlunix have a bunch of crashreporter, but kernel isn't.

>>58649616
>telemetry is a wonderful tool.
kek

>>58650248
If is not then why Linux has it?

>>58650244
>and it still optional
Sure, but still has it.

>>58638760
>bug reports are telemetry
Okay kid

Telemetry is statistics about your usage, where you click your mouse, these kinds of things. A bug report is basically just an anonymised core-dump and some error logs.

>>58650663
>Telemetry is statistics about your usage

like de one Debian does?

>>58641665

Microsoft used to send your unencrypted memory dumps to redmond when reporting crashes. Don't know if they still do I haven't used that garbage since XP.

>>58650895
>like de one Debian does?
Yes

>>58651326
Wasn't that discovered to be a lie?

>>58651361
https://arstechnica.com/business/2013/12/why-nsa-spied-on-inexplicably-unencrypted-windows-crash-reports/

>>58651408
Right-o. Interesting read though.

>>58639478
If you got a number of the developer, physically called him, explained the problem, spell error message which would result in him improving the product, is it still telemetry?

no?
then fuck off.

well supposedly the memory dumps are encrypted but other elements aren't

>>58639478
Damn dude. It must suck to be retarded. I wish I could help you.

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JUST TURN OFF THE SWITCH GOY ARE YOU LAZY?

fucking lmao.

>>58651351
Then we agree that Linux has telemetry.

>>58641665
>opted out by default so even when you install your leeeeenux like a sperg by mashing "continue" you don't land with it installed
lmao

>>58651456
Linux is a kernel.

Debian is a distribution of GNU with a kernel of your choice (kfreebsd, linux, hurd)

>>58651484
>mashing continue like a normie
>like a sperg
Pick one.

>>58647586
/g/ has become infested with people like you. Too stupid to learn and too "smart" to apply knowelege.

>>58650655
Were your parents retarded too? The linux kernal doesn't have telementary, what you are reffering to are certain distributions that attach their own version of it to an operating system that runs apport, or any variation.

Seriously were your parents retarded though? I'm doing a study on mental illnesses.

>>58651592
It's just one windows apologist, who's been making shitty threads every day

>>58651484
Still have telemetry, default or not.

>>58651592
>The linux kernal doesn't have telementary
I said Linux, not the Linux kernel,I'm aware about the difference and in this case some Linux distros are using telemetry, you like it or not.

>>58651661 (OP)
>>58651641 (OP)
Linux is the fucking kernel you dipshit

>>58651641
>>58651661
nice english ranjoot.

Linux is the kernel.

>>58638760
Linux doesn't, Ubuntu does.
This doesn't exist on my computer.

>>58651677
Linux is used as a general term also freetard, when a school moves computer to Ubuntu news usually say the moved to Linux, or x school is using Linux. I also use Linux, moron.

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>>58651745
>schools are now software authorities
try again

>>58651745
>It's okay when tech inpet retards says it so we should quote on them while Linus Torvalds himself said calling it GNU/Linux is (((justified)))
Just stop trying, fucking nigger.

>>58651677
Nice argument freetard.

>>58651793
>Backpedalling from >>58651778 and >>58651773
Embarrassing, even for a microshill

>>58651778
>Pullling the Linux is a kernel argument.

Stop being pathetic.

>>58651745
they moved to linux, yes
but if they are on windows, every piece of software in windows isn't necessarily "windows", similarly to how whatever ubuntu does isn't necessarily "linux"

>>58651852
With your logic Windows is not and OS, NT Kernel is.

Is telemetry the new botnet word? Is sending any kind if information to anyone on the internet now telemetry?

/g/ is such shit now

>>58638760
He thinks crash reports are telemetry

Wincucks, can't live with em...

>>58652340
>Is sending any kind if information to anyone on the internet now telemetry?

It's the winbabbie defense mechanism. Ignorance mixed with corporate shilling.

>>58652416
Only crash reports?

>>58641665

You are really uninformed.

>>58652521
>Only crash reports?

Only crash reports

>pajeet is still acting as if ubuntu = all distros

>>58652642
>Freetard in denial that Debian has telemetry too.

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>>58652571
Nop.

>>58639108
>If Windows was open-source
Microsoft would not tell you if the sources they provide are the ones they used to compile the OS they distribute in binary form, there is nothing that stops linux distributions from adding obscure code in the packages they distribute. That being said

install gentoo.

>>58652747
Yep.

>inb4 4 year old muh amazon meme

>>58652642
More like
>pajeet still acts like sending error reports manually is a bad thing

theoretically how hard could it be for the NSA to plant small lines of code in the Linux kernel or Intel/AMD chips that allow for undetected data collection that evades packet sniffers and network analysis?

>>58652715
>167 posts
>64 IPs
I hope Micros***t pay you 5 extra rupees, OP

>>58652905
that's a standard IP count though, retard. Check any large thread, it's usually 3 or 4 to 1

LMAO okay, OP

>>58652715
>Retard opted-in during installation and doesn't know how to dpkg-reconfigure

>>58652919
Which goes a long way to explain the widespread shilling on this board.

>>58653087
it's the same for every board except maybe hardcore circlejerking boards like /vg/ or /lit/

>>58652966
>retard likes pegging

>>58652966
So?
Still has telemetry, you may remove it, you may opt-out, but, it comes with telemetry.

>>58652871
Freetard ignores that Debian sends more than crash reports.

>>58652715
>package popularity contest that is turned off by default in the installer

Also
>missing the point
Show me what kind of telemetry arch, gentoo and centos has, pajeet

>>58653300
>package popularity contest that is turned off by default in the installer

Doesn't mean it isn't there.

>missing the point

I don't think so.

>Show me what kind of telemetry arch, gentoo and centos has, pajeet

Do your homework freetard, you look, I already showed you how Debian and Ubuntu use telemetry.

>>58652835
>Triggered by a meme
>newfag detected.

>retards trying to troll don't even understand the actual telemetry in stock ubuntu
no wonder you don't have a proper job

>>58653765
>retards trying to troll don't even understand rge actual telemetry
>telemetry

What the fuck is this thread? Holy shit how can you not spot bait? 180 replies jesus fucking christ

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>only one distro, not all of Linux
>open source (you can see for yourself that the data is completely anonymous)
>can be completely removed
>optional
>only in the event of a crash (by definition telemetry is collected AUTOMATICALLY)
"Linux has telemetry"

OP, I hope for your sake that this was bait

>>58653966
>71 IP
>181 shitpost
There wasn't much discussion.

>>58653997
>>only one distro, not all of Linux
two actially, Debian and Ubuntu, may be more.
>open source (you can see for yourself that the data is completely anonymous)
Doesn't meanms is not telemetry
can be completely removed
>optional
Still comes with telemetry.
>telemetry is collected AUTOMATICALLY)
Not with Debian.

>>58653966
>What the fuck is this thread? Holy shit how can you not spot bait?
No sr. is not bait, Linux has telemetry, that is a fact.

>>58654228
Yes, it has telemetry that can be disabled by user input. Any more questions, smartass?

>>58654281
That is what I say, I never said ut was bad, I never said I couldn't opted-out or removed, nothing, and freetards when ape-shit,

>>58654835
Delet the thread then

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>>58654956
Why? is harmless?

>>58639132
>network packages

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>>58638760
>he thinks OP isn't a faggot

>>58641665
>defaults to no
>only reports back what packages from their repos you install
>goes to debian
yeah I don't like it either but it doesn't spy on you in the traditional sense, only reports back what packages you download, but the default is no and completely optional. unlike microsoft which has a legit keylogger in 10. and at least with linux there is more than one distro of it, unlike windows.

to play devils advocate i trust debian far more than microsoft..

>>58655218
Still, is telemetry, some Linux Distros like Ubuntu and Debian have telemetry, simple as that.

>>58638760
>ubuntu
that explains it

>58656592

Debian too.
>>58641665

>>58655170
i hate how being a complete retard is epic baits

>>58656751
What bait?

Nothing but the truth has been spoken.