what is the best ultrabook and why is the macbook 12"

>>58624354
X220

>>58624354
>m3 processor
>ultra book

Hardly ....it's more of a netbook then anything

>>58624354
this one is alright, but the next one, especially if they update the keyboard, is gonna be soooo good

It's not. I dont have the money for ultra books so I don't know the best one, but I know that the MacBook isn't the best. It used to be, but the io is shit now so it isnt the best anymore

>>58624354
Because Applel focused on all the things that make laptops better than desktops instead of trying to mimic a desktop by giving up mobility.

Poorfags and luddites will bitch about the one port or keyboard but the same people bitched over Macbook Air that basically became the ultrabook everyone copied without even being technically an ultrabook.

>>58624359
>>58624359
>4 pounds
>ultrabook

>>58624359
>x220
>ultrabook

that shit has the thickness of 10 macbooks together lmao

>>58624433
>>58624440
Ok, baby hands manlets, don't break your back carrying real laptops.

>>58624389
There is not a single thing an ultrabook with a 15W Core i5/7 CPU could do that Core M couldn't. In most usercases you won't even notice a difference, only at things that require constant load like vidya would be problematic and no one buys an ultrabook for that.

Educate yourself, nigga, Core M is a pretty based CPU and the only downside is price.

>>58624476
>fucking manlet carries a X220 instead a desktop with 3 screens and a backpack full of batteries like a real man
You should lift more, faggot.

>>58624354
When thinking about the ties between Apple and Foxconn, I can't help but thinking that owning a MacBook and claiming it is being an asshole and being proud of this.

>>58624507
Where did you buy your organic homemade vegan computer you typed it from? Also hopefully you don't have a phone...

>>58624354
XPS 13"
Carbon X1

I am going to buy the m* surface pro 4. Will it run CIV, stellaris and aurora 4x for some light vidya?

>>58624547
These are not Apple products.

>>58624359
>tn garbage
nah m8, neck yourself

>>58624354
why don't they just ship the motherboard without chassis

>>58624587
Check the list of companies that work with Foxcon, besides they treat their workers relatively well compared to most Chinese companies and they all their their workers like shit AND there are literal slaves mining the materials.

At least Apple somewhat cares about the environment. Besides, tech companies are not even the worst, check where your food comes from.

>>58624562
Barely last 6h with respectable resolutions. Enjoy your intercontinental flight.

>>58624649
>Barely last 6h with respectable resolutions. Enjoy your intercontinental flight.

XPS 13 will run for 8 hours QHD for browsing, document writing, etc. 11 hours for FHD.

If you are that worried you can get a portable battery for next to nothing these days and they don't take up that much room.

>>58624718
You're right, since KB it really does.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i5-7200U-Notebook-Review.178844.0.html

Though for a bit more power you have noticeable more weight, coil whining, 16:9 screen (also very reflective) and a shitty trackpad at least compared to Macbooks. Hardly a better deal overall unless you really need the constant performance.

Also holy shit, the price is as much as touchbar rMBP, which is better at everything.

>If you are that worried you can get a portable battery for next to nothing these days and they don't take up that much room.
It kills rapes the idea of a portable laptop further, so hardly a viable option given that the alternatives.

>>58624649
Foxconn isn't one giant building housing 300,000 workers you fucking retard. Apple was singled out in the investigation because all the suicides and shitty policies were found only inside the division that makes Apple products.

>>58624718
The new XPS 13 Kaby Lake gets 21 hours on a charge, definitely achievable on a flight with low brightness settings and wireless off.
Heck with Power Saving turned on in the Graphics settings, I could play Age of Mythology and other older games for 15 hours straight according to the battery meter.

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>>58624354
That's not a Let's Note. Hell, it's not even an Ultrabook.

>>58624871
>bit more power you have noticeable more weight
A weight difference of 2.03 pounds to 2.93 pounds is, in %, a fair amount, granted, but overall it is not heavy enough to be called out as a 'major disadvantage' - Also 'a bit more power' is an understatement as MP have a vastly inferior CPU. Even considering the fact that OSX will be a lot better optimised for the hardware vs windows/linux on an XPS.

>coil whining
Not really a big issue as if your travelling as you suggest, it won't be noticeable.

>16:9 screen
i don't see the disadvantage here.

>(also very reflective)
Granted this can be annoying, especially on trains or in windowed buildings.

>shitty trackpad
Although I would agree the trackpad is inferior to macbooks, it is not _that_ bad in comparison.

>Also holy shit, the price is as much as touchbar rMBP, which is better at everything.
I would consider this to be bait if this was in a post of its own. You are kidding right? I can speak for the prices in the UK but macbooks and MBP prices are a good chunk more than the XPS for competitive specifications.

>It kills rapes the idea of a portable laptop further, so hardly a viable option given that the alternatives.
Granted, but an ultraportable batter that weighs nothing and takes up no room in a bag can add a good 5 hours of battery life or more. Whats not to enjoy about that.

>>58625068
It's a shame that the trackpad greatly lets it down, seems like it's ripped straight from a 2004 HP.

But damn, SSD, optical drive, 16:10 display, strong as fuck lid 21 hours battery life and 3 USB ports on a 12" ultrabook is one feat of engineering.

>>58625151
Don't forget the VGA, HDMI, and GbE ports. Also it's a 10" laptop.

>>58625120
>Even considering the fact that OSX will be a lot better optimised for the hardware vs windows/linux on an XPS.
OSX isn't even that optimized anymore following the Yosemite and later releases.

Sources:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2408798/windows-10-runs-faster-than-os-x-on-apples-12in-macbook
http://mashable.com/2015/05/15/windows-10-new-macbook-performance/#eiZoOcaLIsqR
http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-unequivocally-better-than-os-x-on-apples-new-macbook/
https://mspoweruser.com/windows-10-reportedly-runs-faster-on-the-new-macbook-than-os-x/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3himcs/sooo_windows_10_boots_quicker_and_runs_faster_on/

Yes, even though Windows 10 is a botnet piece of shit that I would never use, the "OS X is more optimized for Macs" myth is just that, a myth.

>>58625207
It's not a myth; it's simply no longer true.

>>58624989
>Apple was singled out in the investigation
Because people care about Apple. Nobody gives a fuck about a random Chinese guy pulling an hero without the "worked for Applel" part.

>all the suicides and shitty policies were found only inside the division that makes Apple products
Given that Applel is the biggest customer it's given that most would work for them. Also got any data on it being limited to the divisions alone?

Also...
>The toll (a dozen this year) is lower than the suicide rate among the general population in China
http://www.economist.com/node/16231588

And for extra keks: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/steve-jobs/7796546/Foxconn-suicide-rate-is-lower-than-in-the-US-says-Apples-Steve-Jobs.html.

At best you could argue that Apple has more power than the others and should use it but blaming them on something as perfectly basic as worker abuse in China is just silly.

>>58625296
>US suicide rate nearly 4x higher
kek

>>58625031
>The new XPS 13 Kaby Lake gets 21 hours on a charge
That's a pretty silly number that is never possible in reality, even with 1080p version. Also battery meter is bullshit, although low brightness + no wifi and something as simple as AoM should be doable with FullHD model I guess, though it's pretty ghetto resolution for 2017.

>>58625120
>weight difference
Also consider the charger, Dell one is 200-300 gramm, while Macbook one is about half as much but true it's nothing really major given how light both are. As for the power, it really depends on user cases, if you're mainly browsing and doing office shit, you will not notice it at all. If you do tasks that need a bit more long term performance, it can be a big deal. Casual gayming should be doable just fine with XPS while it's a fucking pain with MP for example.

>coil whining
Not noticeable while traveling but eventually you land and use it in a hotel room and it can be pretty annoying. Obviously not a major disadvantage but things add up.

>i don't see the disadvantage here.
Lesser physical space for browsing/work related shit, better for vidya/movies. Of course it also open the discussion about 12 vs 13" and so on.

>it is not _that_ bad in comparison
Dunno, personally I could overlook all the rest but trackpads is what puts Macbooks in their own class for me, while the rest seems a lot more about preference between performance vs mobility/no fan.

>prices
Just checked the recent ones and you're right. 1500€ for qHD XPS, 1700 € rMBP without touchbar and 2k with. MB is 1449€, though always free delivery unlike with Dell.
No idea what the fuck happened, 2015 versions were much more affordable from both manufacturers.

>>58625207
Yosemite was Applels Vista. Afterwards it improved. Hell, I get one hour more with Sierra than I did with El Capitan with a slightly older battery.

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>>58624354
What's a macbook?

>>58624354
>12"
>best
Pick one.

>>58625520
But both is the correct answer.

>>58625350
Uniomiswd workers in a socialist country have better mental health and work conditions than capitalist Americans. Who'd have thought!

>>58625584
>better work conditions
kek, sure thing bud

>>58624354
shit b8 m8

t. macfag

>>58624603
X220 has an IPS option

>>58625478
Not my comment about the 21 hours but I don't think that is achievable at all. I stick to the 8-12 hours model and usage dependent.

>charger weight difference
I personally didn't consider that, the FHD with charger would be of a similar weight to the QHD w/o charger.

>coil whining
Agree here, I normally have music on when I work but a lot of people prefer the quiet. Having had known people get annoyed by it in the past they should really try to address this issue.

>Lesser physical space for browsing/work related shit, better for vidya/movies. Of course it also open the discussion about 12 vs 13" and so on.
I would have raised the screen size point if you hadn't, FHD seems to be fine for me most of the time.

As for MB trackpad, never used one for long enough to have a strong opinion but I know a lot of people who use them daily say they are the best trackpad out there by far.

>prices
I was waiting for the MBP 2016 and greatly disappointing by what they offered, which is when I looked to the SP4, XPS and carbon x1. I am yet to buy one and strongly considering getting a previous generation MBP instead but very torn.

Anyway I am going to bed, I enjoyed this discussion as appose to the usual shit slinging competition that happens in threads. G'night anon.

What the fuck is an "ultrabook" even? A light laptop?

>>58625707
An Intel spec of subnotebooks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrabook

>>58625659
>I was waiting for the MBP 2016 and greatly disappointing by what they offered
Who wasn't, though it's the extreme price hike without offering anything justifying it that was the most off-putting point for me. I felt buying a laptop in 2015 as too rash given the future advancements but guess it was a good call after all.

>SP4
Personally I find it the most interesting ones from all the stuff named, though I wish the Core M version would come with respectable RAM/SSD size. SP5 should be pretty awesome if they don't mess it up.

Nite, anon. It's indeed a nice change from the usual fanboy rantings going on here.

>>58624433
I don't get this at all

If you're carrying a laptop you're going to carry it in a bag. How does being even an inch thicker or 5 pounds make that much of a difference?

The reality is that the weight only matters when you're moving it around like onto and off of your lap or a table. The reality is that limp-wristed women complain about having to exert a tiny bit of energy for a second. It's insane.

>>58624354
Strange way to work XPS 13, developer edition.

>>58624479
>only at things that require constant load like vidya
Like running a fucking test server or two for development that'll stress the shit out of this pile of crap which'll result in UI level lags and freezes because OSX is garbage and fucking can't into asynchronous UI layer.

People like you who only have this tremendous load of excrements for using Facebook and watching gay and child pornography are not in position to say anything to anyone because the opinion of such degenerates is inherently inferior thus irrelevant.

Not to mention that buying a fucking Facebook machine for over 1000$ is itself a case of clear clinical autism that should be fucking treated via isolating faggots who does that from the society and the Internet.

>>58625905
>VMs on a laptop
Why?
>le ebin Facebook machine maymay
Oh, you're just a twelve year old pretending to have a job

>>58625938
>Why?
Because you can't fucking carry a desktop around
>Oh, you're just a twelve year old pretending to have a job
Or maybe you're just an idiot, have you considered that? Tell me, for what fucking purpose will you use an over 1000$ laptop other that Facebook, macbook exclusive gay and child pornography, games, and work? Hint: naming another kind of pornography doesn't really answer the question.

I work on MacBook Pro due to circumstances. It's shit, to say the least.

>>58626352
>Because you can't fucking carry a desktop around
No shit, buy you can remote into your VM server.
>Or maybe you're just an idiot
Nah
>Tell me, for what fucking purpose will you use an over 1000$ laptop other that Facebook, macbook exclusive gay and child pornography, games, and work?
Mobile computing.

>>58624354

I'm imaging a few of the new macbook pros at work right now. The keyboard is pretty nice and the touchpad is too big though. I don't like the touchbar because it forces me to look at the fucking keyboard constantly. Which I don't like to do, I fully prefer the non touchbar version. Will probably get one when apple releases the 2nd gen versions.

>>58626352
>Tell me, for what fucking purpose will you use an over 1000$ laptop other that Facebook, macbook exclusive gay and child pornography, games, and work?
Not him but what more do you need to do on small laptop? I am using mine for writing mostly, also watching movies and shitposting from time to time. Since I travel a lot, the size and weight is pretty important as is the battery life. 1000$ for a laptop is nothing and it's not like you can name another one with a good trackpad, HiDPI screen and 8h battery life that weights less.

>>58626387
>No shit, buy you can remote into your VM server.
Not always possible. For example, our current project requires running Cassandra and Rails server on CentOS VM and I would love to have that shit as a remote, but for the development purposes, each person in the group needs a stand-alone copy of that shit so he can break it whenever and it won't affect the others.
>Nah
I suggest thinking more deeply on that topic.
>Mobile computing.
Which is fucking what exactly? A smartphone is also a device for mobile computing - why the hell would you need an overpriced pile of shit for the purpose? Still this isn't an argument against it being a Facebook machine.

Are you using it to work with a remote? There are better and cheaper options. Are you using it to surf the Internet?
There are better and cheaper facebook machines.
Are you using it to watch macbook-exclusive gay and child pornography? Well, that's gross, but I guess it kinda justifies the money spent.
Like the very best thing you can do with that pile of crap is to use it for hipster work like drawing or audio/video editing. But even then your best argument should be *I know macbook is overpriced shit and have zero advantages in these spheres over PC, but I'm too used to the interface already so I just roll with it", not "it's a good ultrabook" because it's not.

>>58626597
I'll consider replying to you more when you quit pumping your posts full of shitty memes.

>>58624603
>He doesn't know how to install a IPS panel.

>>58625790
I carry my x220 in my bag and sometimes in my hands. It's light as fuck. The idea that you need an """""Ultrabook""""""" 2 point laptop is just stupid.

>>58626619
Now combine the price of a X220 in perfect condition + fast SSD + new battery + IPS panel + the time it takes to install it (which you could've used to earn money) and you come pretty close to the price of a new rMB and will still have a worse laptop. Totally worth it.

>>58626647
You could do it with any huge gaymer laptop too and it would be light as fuck too, relatively speaking. Given that there is a MUCH lighter and smaller option, it's still silly.

>>58624354
Why is it that apple removes all the shit that you need, yet for some inexplicable reason they refuse to get rid of the most useless key on the keyboard, aka the capslock key? Even google has started to remove capslock from their laptops, and there are oh so many ways to emulate the function if it were ever necessary.

FUCK smal notebooks

>>58626734
They clearly lack the courage.

Though there is no obvious replacement either, using search is silly if there is a CMD+space shortcut which is probably faster to use due the placement.

>>58624354
Panasonic LetsNote RZ series
Acer Aspire S13

>>58626784
>Panasonic LetsNote RZ series
>10"
Is this a joke?
Also:
>1080p (decent PPI given the size but still pretty low resolution)
>4GB of RAM, 128GB
>expensive as fuck
Kek.

>Acer Aspire S13
>1080p
>worse battery life
At least it's relatively affordable but Asus got cheaper options.

Besides both have crappy trackpads compared to rMB.

>>58624389
this, literally a netbook that runs mac os

>>58626591
>more do you need to do on small laptop?
That was the point. He was arguing against the fact it's a facebook machine, which it is.
>name another one with a good trackpad, HiDPI screen and 8h battery life that weights less.
>"name another one with these exact stats (which are supposed to be its selling points) but better in every single way!"
Samsung Notebook 9 13.3" for example. It has lower DPI, but I have no idea why would you need more than 1080p of a less than 19" screen.
Battery life is roughly the same, weight less, has a stronger processor, costs less and doesn't have fucking OSX on it.
Also, buying ultrabook at all is a case degeneracy already.

>>58626618
>s-shitty m-memes
That's all you have to say, darling?

>>58626876
>wants an ultrabook
>10" too small
>expensive af (funny coming from an applefag)
I think the joke is your qualifications.
>Crappy trackpads
You never even tried them, btfo applefag. Retina is the only thing you have going for apple and it's redundant for your web posting.

>>58624359
Kek, ultrabook anon, not a laptop

also
>those shitty specs for even a non-ultrabook

>>58627021
>>58626876
Also the RZ is 1200p and has 8GB ram standard. Same PPI as Retina... You can get it for 2-3k USD with all the import tax and shipping, VERY comparable to a MBP that you'd buy in Japan

>>58626956
>He was arguing against the fact it's a facebook machine, which it is.
A FB machine would be more of a netbook, any ultraportable can do everything a normal sized laptop can do. It's not quite there at workstation replacement but these suck at portability part and most people simply don't need desktop performance for the tasks.

> It has lower DPI, but I have no idea why would you need more
Font rendering alone. Besides more space is damn nice to have. It's a lot like a SSDs, once you used a HiDPI screen going back is not an option.

>Samsung Notebook 9
It's actually pretty cool just a bit worse at very metric that matters for me beyond the weight. Also it looks iffy, which is sad given the better materials used.

>Battery life is roughly the same, weight less, has a stronger processor
A very, very unlikely combination.

"The Notebook 9 has been advertised with battery life lasting up to 10 hours; however, in my own experience, it only managed to last about half as long."
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/samsung-notebook-9-1312365/review

Verge got 6-7h, which is alright-ish at best, specially considering the low resolution. Even 2015 rMB can easy hit 8-9h since Sierra, 2016 lasts even longer.

>buying ultrabook at all is a case degeneracy
Some of us leave the basement sometimes, anon. You don't want to sit on a plane with some desktop replacement.

>>58627021
>wants an ultrabook
>10" too small
10" IS too small. 12-14" is the sweet spot of size/usability.

>>58625478
It's funny how people who are super anal about the MBP's trackpad always seem to pretend like the keyboard doesn't matter. The XPS' isn't even good, but it's miles ahead of the Macbook's and current MBP, with a whopping 0.5mm of travel.

>>58627226
Have you actually used it for a longer period of time?

It feels pretty weird at start and when trying out in store I thought Apple must be fucking joking but after a day or two most get used to it just fine. Travel alone doesn't say shit, the important part is that it feels firm and direct. The spacing/size of keys is larger than most laptop keyboards too. The experience is pretty unique, basically less HITTING the keys and more PRESSING, so your fingers move less.

No need to trust me, just read multiple reviews, some say it's weird at start but there is none actually calling it bad, others even like it more.

Going back to other laptop keyboards actually feels pretty shitty now given how swallow the keys are there.

>>58627185
>Font rendering alone. Besides more space is damn nice to have. It's a lot like a SSDs, once you used a HiDPI screen going back is not an option.
I repeat, I work on a MacBook Pro. It's shit and I have no problems going back to my 15" 1366x768 laptop back at home. Full HD would've been noticeably better, but that's it.
>Some of us leave the basement sometimes, anon. You don't want to sit on a plane with some desktop replacement.
Were you to leave the basement more often, you would've been physically fit to afford yourself a 2kg laptop which is cheaper and better in every single way imaginable.

>>58627375
> It's shit and I have no problems going back to my 15" 1366x768 laptop back at home
Perhaps you need to get your eyes checked, mate. Are you even using the full resolution on your MBP or just the Retina meme that is effectively lower than FullHD?

> you would've been physically fit to afford yourself a 2kg laptop which is cheaper and better in every single way imaginable
Prices for consumer goods are too low to count as a viable criteria for or against something. I could easy use a 10kg laptop but what's the point if there is one that offers it all at 5kg? Why using a 5kg one if there is the same shit weighting 2kg, and why in all world would I use a 2kg one if a 1kg one would offer me the same. Huge laptops are simply less comfy.

>>58627340
>t. mactoddler

>>58627340
If a glorified touchscreen was somehow more ergonomic and pleasant, Geekhack and the entire stenography market would have moved to it instead of contoured layouts with 4mm of travel.

Good things feel good right away, not months later when Stockholm Syndrome has set it. As soon as I typed on a T410 I felt like that was the best laptop keyboard I ever used, and after a year of using a XPS and a MBP, when I use the T410 I felt the exact same.

>>58626876
>Let's Note
Why would the screen size be a joke?
Plus they've got WUXGA IPS panels, not FullHD ones, I wouldn't want any higher res on such a small screen. I've got an 8" Windows tablet with a FullHD screen and everything's retardedly small. Not to mention that it's got three USB 3 ports, GbE, HDMI, VGA, an SD reader, and a Blu-ray drive all in a 10" netbook.

>>58624354
You spelled Xiaomi Notebook Air wrong.

>>58627577
>Geekhack and the entire stenography market
What are preferences?

>Good things feel good right away
Meh, I didn't even like the Apple trackpad first and while I liked their old keyboards at start, they feel pretty horrible now. New stuff often feels weird, T410 basically got a standard desktop keyboard, so there is no learning curve, while chiclet alone is quite a different (hence so many people bitch about that) and the rMB keyboard is even further from the usual desktop experience.

Obviously if you like long travel you won't be happy with it but it's silly considering it the only valid criteria. I used a fucking typewriter back in the day and would probably still like it after the rMB keyboard because muh firmness and feedback is what counts for me the most, not how long I have to push a key, and most laptop keyboards suck at that no matter how long the travel is. (New Thinkpad keyboards are still pretty sweet tho)

>>58624354

it's too fucking expensive. The Dell XPS 13 has better hardware, and a better price tag.

>>58627455
>Perhaps you need to get your eyes checked, mate. Are you even using the full resolution on your MBP or just the Retina meme that is effectively lower than FullHD?
Amusingly enough I wear glasses, so I can be sure about my eyesight. I also have a phone with 1080p display and I am not impressed. I can see the appeal of high resolution on adequate-sized displays, but not on a 12" screen.
>>58627455
>why in all world would I use a 2kg one if a 1kg one would offer me the same
But it does not. All you get is an over 1000$ shitty facebook machine with specs it won't be ever to use properly (the display and the memory). And if a 2kg laptop and 1kg netbook are functionally the same for you - you should just opt-out for like 5 years old shitty netbook for 50$ because it'll satisfy all your requirements.

>>58627881

Don't forget Apple's extended warranty doesn't cover physical damage. It's the only company I know of that doesn't. Only iOS devices are only covered with applecare+ and it's only a "two replacement" plan that is a real insult to the consumer. Accidents happen.

>>58627881
I agree with you about phones, 1080p + is pretty pointless there and huge waste of battery, even on tablets it's almost an overkill but on devices where you want to get something done, especially if it's text heavy or related to images, more is better. Jesus, even for shitposting: Try opening 4chains at 1600p and at 720p and look how much more information you get. Do same with couple wordpages next to each other.

Sure, 12" is smaller and somewhat limited by the physical size but even 1200p is comfortably usable for me and I don't even have the best eyesight, at 1440p things become a bit harder to see but still decent enough to be usable. Having the option instead of being limited to shitty 1080p is extra nice, also it's not like we're talking about something crazy like 4K where diminishing returns kick in due battery life.

>you should just opt-out for like 5 years old shitty netbook for 50$ because it'll satisfy all your requirements
Once again you keep bringing up price. We're not talking about real estate or even cars. It's just 1k, even if you keep the laptop for just 2 years, 500 bucks per year is not noticeable for an employed person in the first world, no matter how shitty your job is. If you're actually doing something worthwhile with your life, it's not even pocket change.

>it won't be ever to use properly (the display and the memory)
ResFX for the former. And 8GB is pretty basic RAM. Besides Core M is as fast as any other laptop in most tasks, the downsides only kick in if you're doing something that constantly stresses it, which tends to come from either very specific programs or vidya.

I think enough was written about the functionality, screen quality and shit like battery life, which makes a netbook not an option. The Samsung laptop would be one but it's overall not as good for my needs nor anywhere close to 50 bucks.

>>58627909
Well, I am not a Burger, so the companies can't do shit against warranty laws here, even though faggots who sell Apple Care pretend it doesn't apply to them. It's sketchy but on the positive side, for the shit they do cover, they do it fantastically well and are easy to reach.

My girlfriend had a fucked power button on her iPhone, had no extra warranty, went to an Apple Store, came back with a new phone almost instantly. (Ignoring the huge waiting time in the line)

>Accidents happen.
Never had any with laptops or phones from tons of different companies. Specially the cases of people managing to fuck up their laptops puzzle me.

>>58627185
>once you used a HiDPI screen going back is not an option.
It's a meme. Nice to have but living without it is no big deal.

t. retina mbp and 2x27" 1440p monitors

>>58628217
>27" QHD monitors
I wouldn't really say that's high PPI, it's lower than a 20" FullHD monitor.

>>58628217
>2x27" 1440p monitors
It's a lot more bearable on large screens since they are further away from you. Besides, given the amounts you can balance it out with raw physical space.

Would you really want to go to non retina Macbook or at least 1080p cancer one?

>>58625905
I agree on the thickness but the macbook is 2lbs lighter which is a difference you'll feel after carrying it around all day.

>>58628302
>t. macmanlet

>>58628258
The 27" ones are like 110ppi or some shit, which I find pretty comfy for desktop use. Got an imac running the same size/res and it's still my favourite mac out of the four I've owned over the years.

I have a 13" Retina MBP now but fucking hate it because of Apple's retarded hardware compromises (and because of the timing when I had to buy it - two weeks before they released a newer model that isn't quite as shit as mine)

>>58628263
I had a non-retina mbp before this one, it was fine too. Actually ran better because it had a discrete gpu and none of this intel hd4000 bullshit. Fucking thing chokes on the pixel count of a 2560x1600 screen and eats up way more ram than it deserves, making everything else run like shit too.

reeeeeee

>>58628398
It's still not high PPI, it's just a decent resolution for the screen size.

>>58628398
>nigga bought 2012 retina model
>two weeks before a decent one got released
No wonder you hate it.

>>58628432
No choice senpai, bought it the day before I left for a two week business trip to the US

At least it was cheap since USD was worthless at the time

>>58628302
>I agree on the thickness but the macbook is 2lbs lighter which is a difference you'll feel after carrying it around all day.
I've carried around my old laptop on a daily basis and it weights 2.45kg + the bag and stuff inside the bag. Now I don't carry the laptop around, but I do carry the bag. Zero difference after you'll get used to it.

>>58628432
>decent
>any macshit

Good joke.

>>58628526
Spotted the twelve year old

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>>58628531
Spotted the mactoddler.

>>58624354

because it only has 3 hours battery life?

>>58628555
Even under max load it lasts about 5h. Twice as long for a massive shitposting session with 50 tabs. Where the hell did you pull out the 3h?

>>58628554
Top kek, you've been shitposting with the same two or three images and webms for like a year

>>58628554
Have you ever seen someone being so happy after using Windows? I thoughts so.
Checkmate, Pajeet.

(Linux users don't count since they are pedos)

>>58628625
>happy

>>58628661
The chick next to him is clearly smiling. Either she's a psychopath or she's happy for the little fucker praying to Jobbs and being happy over getting some MacToy. Tears of joy and all. Imagine finding a clean street to shit on, that's how the kid feels.

>>58628698
>The chick next to him is clearly smiling
It's funny to see genuine retards freak out.

>>58624354
Thinkpad x260
>Best battery life of any laptop
>Great port selection
>Replaceable SSD/HDD and RAM
Panel could be better quality and I'd like to see them go m.2 only so you can have 2 RAM slots. If they did that and made the extended battery sit flush it would be literally perfect.

Core M would be an interesting option if you really want maximum battery too.

The XPS 13 is sexy as fuck. though a similarly specced Acer Swift or Lenovo seems significantly cheaper, some times almost $300 cheaper.

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Swift-i5-6200U-Windows-SF314-51-52W2/dp/B01LWZ7JB2

This compared to a an equivalent Dell just seems silly, is the bezeless premium really that big of a difference or are Dell just jews?

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>>58628882
dell has better quality control than acer desu

i'm not entirely sure why the xps line is so much more expensive than the inspirons though desu

>>58628930
I hate macbooks, but I would rather have it than anything vaio.

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>>58628882
>tfw I own an XPS 13@3200x1800

The (lack of) bezels is sexy as fuck, honestly.

At the time I bought it, though, it was most definitely the most reasonably priced for what I wanted - which was primarily ultrabook class with a high PPI display, since I have to deal with digital design.

If I were in the market today for the checklist of things I was looking for a bit over a year and a half ago, I'd probably buy a razer blade stealth and deal with 1440p at a similar price, or pay an extra $300 for the 4k option.
The light-up logo on the back and RGB seizure keyboard is pretty regrettable, though.

>>58628983
Why?

>>58624354
>postulating an initial open ended question then changing the question to one that seeks validation for your own opinionated answer to the initial question disregarding that the initial question is open ended and has no definitive correct answer

>>58628994
Do they make the 1080p model in touch screen or just the QHD+?

>>58628997
It offers nothing exceptional in terms of hardware, but you're tremendously overpaying for useless bloatware.
Back then in university, we've once bought a budget Sony Vaio laptop for our teacher (as a bribe). The first startup of that thing took over 20 minutes, I shit you not.

And as ex-worker of a PC repair service, I can tell that among somewhat known brands, Vaio is the absolute worst one when it comes to the continuos tech support. Were you to re-install Windows on it - there are good chances you'll end up searching hardware drivers by their IDs.

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>>58629081

The XPS 13?
They do.

The Razer Blade Stealth?
Doesn't even have a 1080p option, just 1440p and 4k, and only 4k has touch.

>>58629197

Funny thing.
VAIO is no longer owned by Sony. They're their own company now.
They actually make really nice hardware, but they're essentially the "Apple" of Windows PC's and carry a huge markup.
And they have what is probably the absolute best "convertible" laptop/surface alternative for digital design on the market in the VAIO Canvas.
They're just relatively expensive because of the VAIO brand premium.

>>58629197
>tremendously overpaying
I'm looking at used ones for $300 to $400. If you've got any better suggestions for a swivel hinged laptop convertible in that price range I'd love to hear them
>bloatware
>using the preinstalled OS

Also VAIO's it's own company now.

>>58629239
>they're essentially the "Apple" of Windows PC's a
Fun fact: When Apple switched to Intel Steve Jobs negotiated with Sony VAIO about releasing OS X on their laptops

X1 Carbon 2017 will be the best.

>>58629239
>they're essentially the "Apple" of Windows PC's
Explains why their laptops are so bad.

>>58624871
No coil whine on mine and it weighs like 2.6 lbs. How is it a considerable amount more? I also think the track pad is amazing. I've tried the macbooks and i can see how someone would prefer it but i dont think ita fair to call the xps 13 shitty. Plus i got a brand new one from the dell outlet store for like $ 700 us.

With the joy of brexit, the price hike on these things was pretty rough. I almost expect them to lay another 20% hike before the end of the year too.

The base MacBook could end up being £1700

>>58631059
>t. mactoddler

>>58628199
Your gf must be hot because my neighbor had a similar problem and pretty much told him he would have to pay.

Ultraconvertible master race.

>>58631078
Eh, i'm leaning towards getting a Surface Book anyway.

>>58626675
It cost me about $650 to have a machine with an IPS display, 16GB of RAM and 512GB of SSD. This includes buying a new keyboard and a new battery and an IPS display. Total time spend installing all that was an hour or two.

Can you please point me to a new MacBook with comparable specs that I could buy?

It's definitely heavier, but that and the screen resolution aside, I wouldn't say it's worse.

>>58624479

I spoke to a guy last year who played World of Warcraft on his 12" Macbook with his daughter, he said it ran okay on the minimum settings.

They're surprising little things, really capable machine for quite a few people.

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Out of the way, peasants.

Ultrabooks, a fucking rip-off.
Macbook AIR, Master Race!!!

>>58624354
The only thing ultra about the Macbook is the price.

What do you guys think is the best ppi for a laptop? i wanna buy one and Id really like something where the fonts are sharp and nice.

is 1080p enough for a 13.3"-14" screen?

>>58632561
bout tree fiddy

>macfags and windownies

Pixel Chromebook 2
>5 second cold boot
>instant on
>10+ hour of heavy use, 15+ of light use
>Android apps, web apps, chrome apps
>hd touch screen
Why are you not using chrome os yet?

>>58633405
I need to do actual work, not a $999 facebook machine with phone and web "apps" only.

>>58624354
Because you wanted to trigger a bunch of virgins on an image board, none of whom own a current gen macbook, and you know you dont own one either

>>58632044
Well, WoW engine is amazing runs basically on everything (I recall running an older version on total toaster PC with single core and 256mb of RAM). I tried LOTRO (game from fucking 2007) on mine and the native macOS version had 20fps on lowest settings. Though couldn't be assed to install W10 and try there.

Spec-wise some very casual gaming should indeed be doable, although it's clearly not made with it in mind.

>>58632561
1600p seems like the perfect balance between sharpness, usability and battery life. 1440p is you have 16:9 cancer.

1080p is "decent" and way sharper than the average desktop screen but not good enough IMO.