Do you think Trump is going to stick to his word on net neutrality?

>>58592114
Trump says whatever he thinks the audience in front of him wants to hear and barely campaigned on specific promises at all. I don't think he has a word to keep.

It's not like USA ever had net neutrality, so you don't know what you are missing out

>>58592230

I'm not American (I live in the UK)

>>58592230
This is actually true. They fucked Netflix up for using data.

>>58592230
This. Besides it's not like Trump even knows what it is, so it's less about him and more about his advisers ... which isn't much of an improvement.

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>>58592114
his son is good at cybering

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>>58592114

>honered

So this......is the price......of freedom

Tune into the intelligence discussion he's having right now and find out.

Spoiler: there will be no net neutrality (not that we had any to begin with), and they're going to be open about text mining and snooping the populace for predictive policing to stop crimes ahead of time.


Tbh it's not that bad as long as you aren't doing anything illegal that makes it so you end up on a watchlist.

Tactical misspellings, well played Trump. Get the libs to back off the violent outbursts and go back to nitpicking the little things and acting smug and superior instead of thugging it up in the streets.

>>58592321
>they're going to be open about text mining and snooping the populace for predictive policing to stop crimes ahead of time.
And I imagine that Trump will force companies like Google to be complicit in this

Stallman was right. Dear god.

>>58592321
>and they're going to be open about text mining and snooping the populace for predictive policing to stop crimes ahead of time.
So VPNs are going to be doing really well?

>>58592321
>Tbh it's not that bad as long as you aren't doing anything illegal that makes it so you end up on a watchlist.
I know right, there are so many examples of police states working out well for everyone!

Also it's not like a guy on a watchlist managed to buy guns and shoot up a nightclub without any issues.

>woke up from a coma
>new windows
>Donald Trump is the President-Elect (now President)
>The Last Guardian got released
>my house was robbed

For fuck's sake can't I get a fucking break

Hopefully. We don't need more regulations from preventing ISPs to enter the market.

>>58592386
why didn't you request to go back in the coma, senpai?

>>58592390
That's not how neut neutrality works. Jesus, do some people BSOD when reading "regulation"?

>>58592420
So how does net neutrality work?

>>58592114
Is this a fucking dream. I still can't believe he won. MAGA. God bless America

>>58592346
What? They already do that with Prism.

>>58592420
Net neutrality takes the approach of leaving monopoly ISPs as monopolies, and regulating their behavior. While I like the idea of forcing them to respect our privacy by regulation, there is a market-based way: Force states and municipalities to repeal regulations that protect monopoly telecoms companies. Did you notice how prices fell and data caps mysteriously vanished in markets where Google Fiber was announced? You wouldn't need net neutrality if every market had half a dozen different ISPs.

>>58592114
Who cares. Net neutrality doesn't do anything and maybe we will see wireless networks become more competitive after this. Fuck this net neutrality pussy shit once and for all and good riddance, let it die. Does absolutely nothing but make everything less competitive and 'muh fairness'

Tired of seeing Trump haters/neutrality white knights on DSLReports

>>58592474
Not predictive and only used for "counterterrorism", it's not like local law enforcement is grepping through NSA-collected phonecall data.

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>>58592390
>he actually thinks Trump will help out consumers instead of businesses
>he actually bought into the trickle down economics scam version 2.0!

>>58592574
If you aren't a welfare leech, then you are part of a business.

>>58592434
On a very, very basic level it makes sure that all traffic is treated equal, so your provider can't throttle something they don't like while promoting their own unlimited service. It can further affect censorship, privacy and black listing of services. This also obviously helps with competition.

Without net neutrality, AT&T can easy make a deal ensuring high speed connection when you use Facebook but throttle you when using 4chains for example, making you pay more for unlocking "other social sites".

>>58592476
>Net neutrality takes the approach of leaving monopoly ISPs as monopolies
How? Why do you think are the monopols fighting it and spending millions for anti net neutrality propaganda? Also you realize that Google and basically everyone but Verizon, AT&T and Comcast supports it right?

Net neutrality is good for competition but yes, it wouldn't be as necessary if the US ISP market weren't fucked.

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>>58592592

>>58592597
So how are you going to enforce it?

>All these people cheering for the possible end of a set of rules intended to stop ISPs from fucking over customers and online businesses
I know you people really like Trump and how he stands against out of control political correctness. I've personally been in GamerGate since the beginning so I know how bad the PC bullshit has gotten over the last few years. However rolling back net neutrality rules is not a good thing for anyone except those who own shares in ISPs or who have stock options at them.

John Oliver is a moron and a cuck, but he was right when he ran his piece on net neutrality and how it protects the consumer from very mafia like business practices from ISPs.

>>58592592
>wage cuck thinks he's part of a business

>>58592592
Jews are not allowed to work according to their religious views.

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>>58592592
>he thinks the board will vote to increase his wages rather than giving bonuses to executives

>>58592633
>wahh I won't be getting more neetbux!!!!

>>58592618
The same you enforce any other law?

>>58592649
So with regulations?

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>>58592647

*sniggers*

Dumb fucking wagies.

>>58592647
>he thinks the only alternative to wagecucking is being a NEET
spoken like a true rube LOL

you're unironically a peasant working the fields and you're proud of it

>>58592659
Yes, evil regulations. You realize regulations are also the reason for most consumer rights, yeah? Or even something as basic as the guarantee that when you buy cornflakes, there are cornflakes and not tooth nails in the box.

>>58592665
>there are other alternatives to being in employment other than not being in employment

>>58592597
>Also you realize that Google and basically everyone but [the #1, #2 and #6 ISPs in the U.S] supports it right?
Do you realize that net neutrality can only be upheld by ISPs like the ones you mentioned? It doesn't matter if a service company like Google thinks that all IP packets should be treated equal when ISPs can sabotage all of that.

>>58592476
Google Fiber loses Google money and was basically just an activist project on their part to give ordinary people a better understanding of how they're getting fucked relative to the ISP market elsewhere in the world. All the local regulations enacted in recent years to protect incumbent telecoms are just to stifle municipal ISPs. While it'd be nice to get rid of them it's not going to mean Google is going to fill the vacuum or that competitors are going to spring up and start digging up people's front lawns to lay new fiber.

It'd be better if everyone just came to terms that there is no free market in internet service and regulated it as such, rather than sticking their heads in the sand and waiting for the DSL/Cable duopoly to pretend to compete.

>>58592678
Why would I buy cornflakes from a company known to put tooth nails in the box?

>>58592694
Stay poor bud.

>>58592713
Why do you think a company wouldn't make sure consumers like you wouldn't even realize what they're doing or try to make you think the substandard products and services they provide are acceptable?

>>58592592
Until you arent. A machine will always be more valuable than a wagecuck.

>>58592713
Because they have a cartel and they're all doing it.

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>>58592750
Sounds like a good opportunity to start my own corn flake company and capture the market.

>>58592309
he dictates his tweets it's not him making the typos

>>58592716
Wage cuck lookin' mad salty right now haha

>>58592705
>It doesn't matter if a service company like Google thinks that all IP packets should be treated equal when ISPs can sabotage all of that.
As long you can prove the sabotage, you can sue the fuck out of the cheating company with net neutrality. Without it, they are not doing anything wrong, legally speaking.

>>58592713
Because your alternatives are #1 nails cornflakes, #2 paper cornflakes and #3 stale decade old cornflakes. 2 and 3 coming from the same company.
Besides, it doesn't need to be done as obvious and packages in US are pretty shady already but at least you have the right to sue them for overdoing their bullshit in most cases, due regulations giving you the right.

>>58592625
It'll fix itself when half of /pol/ finds out they have to pay twice or three times as much monthly to get their shitposting fix.

>>58592694
>delusional wagecuck thinks he's part of the ownership class
my sides

>>58592713
You're naive if you think you can always tell what has "nails in the box".

Not to mention people are retards and putting "with 50% less nails" ad on the box is often enough to sell all that shit.

>>58592779
Good luck selling them when the company manufacturing cornflakes has a deal with the major stores selling them and PR agencies promoting them.

>>58592748
I program the machines though.

>>58592782

>typos

e isn't near o.

>>58592815
>he thinks that matters if you're not an owner of the machine
Delusional wagie.

>>58592829
I have plenty of money to buy machines.

>>58592713
Company starts by selling legitimate cornflakes.
They form oligarch style truces and climb to the top with other companies.
They win out market and create a monopoly/oligarchy.
Then they start cutting corners to maximize profits while avoiding stepping on others toes in the truce. There is no more competition.
THEN you get nails in your box and there is no alternate brands to pick from or regulations to save you.

This was a huge deal back when the regulations were first being put in place. I don't know why everyone forgot about this all of a sudden. A free market, while better than socialism, can't function in a vacuum unless we know the players are benevolent to the customers. You need regulation.

>>58592820
and?

>>58592848
>my f-feudal landlord gives me enough to buy my own share, i f-farm t-the land t-therefore i-i'm not poor!
delusional cuck faggot, stay poor

>>58592878
I actually am a founder of my business and have a 40% stake.

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>>58592782
>he dictates his tweets

>>58592748
a machine can't think for itself you dumbass edgelord, why do you think so many employers pay out the ass to hire """"wagecucks"""""

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>tfw the golden age of ganoo plus linucks is approaching

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>>58592114

I don't expect the man to stick to his word on what he wants for lunch.

You idiots will find this out soon enough.

>>58592871
This isn't the 1910s anymore where the only source of information was a newspaper.

>>58592891
I'm sure you totally are and not just some butthurt wagie.

KEK

>>58592904
>it will take extra money to download and use software not approved by the ISPs
>golden age of Loonix

>>58592897
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/139342777967329281
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a43896/finally-the-mystery-of-who-tweets-trumps-tweets-has-been-solved/

>>58592914
Having multiple sources of information doesn't stop a company from working to become a monopoly or create oligarchies.

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>>58592914
The Cornflakes manufacturer signs a deal with an ISP to censor all users who write negative reviews of said cornflakes

>>58592748
>A machine will always be more valuable than a wagecuck.
Sure.

>>58592953
Why would anyone use an ISP that censors content?

>>58592907
He already gutted ACA with an executive order on day one without putting in any type of replacement.

I'm pretty sure he's serious about everything he said. The only thing that he won't come through on is stuff that requires money we don't have, like the Wall, since Mexico literally can't pay for it. Unless he plans on adding to the defecit to build and maintain it ourselves (which is probably what's gonna happen if he does build the Wall).

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>>58592536
>net neutrality
>less competitive

How?

>>58592987

Most Euro ISP's censor hate speech sites and piracy sites. Now they're going to target "fake news".

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>>58592987
Because it's the only ISP in town because they've colluded with a wiring company so that the wiring company will only lay cable for that specific ISP

>>58593034
>Most Euro ISP's censor hate speech sites and piracy sites

Can't you opt out?

What problem would net neutrality solve?

>>58593043
Ever heard of this invention called an airplane? It lets you move outside your town!

>>58592820
it is if you're using dvorak

>>58592987
If AT&T, Comcast and Verizon started censoring sites that would be 99% of America.

>>58593066
Stop ISPs from charging you extra for accessing YouTube over their shitty streaming site.

>>58592987
Owning the laid wires is a natural monopoly. And since there aren't regulations that force cable companies to sell access to other companies, they can get 100% of the customers in the region when they own the cables.

>>58593067
>Having to move somewhere else because an ISP has been able to get a monopoly position where you live

You do realize how massively retarded that is?

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>>58593067
The entire country only has one ISP because their monopoly has eliminated all other competition.

>>58593067
To where? Every place in the state is going to get chopped up and controlled by a different arm of the oligarchy. Leaving ISP 1 for ISP 8 on the other side of the country is meaningless when ISP 8 is the only ISP in town where you decide to move to.

>>58593112
>>58593114
Ahh yes I'm sure the evil ISPs will hire a hitman to kill anyone else who tries to lay cables down.

>>58593093

Net neutrality doesn't stop that though.

>>58592114
hopefully he breaks up the provider monopoly, would be very nice.

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>>58593135
Nobody will sell you cables because the cable manufacturers signed exclusive-use deals with the ISP as well.

>>58593135
1. Lobby the city to not give you building permits to lay cable.
2. If you ever happen to get permits, try to slow down your building as much as you can so you don't have any profit.
3. Whenever you get the cable laid and begin business, price all your current customer plans so you will only get a fraction of their customers at best.
4. When you are reduced to ash, return pricing levels to normal.

>>58593135
>libertarian kiddy
>not understanding you can solve problems with money without actual force

>>58593137
I'm not sure how you came to that interpretation as the purpose is to keep ISPs from treating traffic different in anyway, one of which is charging you for access to some sites but not others.
T-Mobile was getting shit from the FCC for doing that with their unlimited streaming.

>>58593135
You can't lay cables down unless you own the land where the cables are being laid or the government lets you do it on public land. On top of that, you can't just lay the lines down anywhere due to zoning regulations.
If you're priced out from owning land or the oligarchs are already in control of all government contracts, the little guys can't compete. Hence regulations.

>>58593168
And what's net neutrality going to do to stop that?

>>58593151
How is lack of net neutrality going to help against that? Just how strong is your anti-reality field. Comcast certainly fights net neutrality to break up monopols, right?

>>58593202
This is a discussion about trying to prevent someone from eating a box of cornflakes with nails in it.

Try to keep up, lolbertarian.

>>58593201
Sounds like regulations are preventing competition.

>>58592592
>part = CEO

>>58593202
Nothing, net neutrality is not about the cables it's about the traffic.

>>58593210
Yes, but net neutrality is not a regulation that is causing the issue and is one that should be preserved.

>>58593210
Theoretically they can, practically they are more focused on preventing monopols and protecting the rights of the customers.

>>58593202
Net neutrality won't. But regulations preventing cable companies from forming absolute monopolies by either forcing them to sell cable access to other companies for a fair price and/or making it impossible for companies with natural monopolies to price their competition out of business until they are the sole operating company would help.

>>58593206
Well if we don't have monolithic providers then commercializing internet could be nice.

We would be able to have many competing providers available instead of the 2 """good""" ones and the 3 total shit ones.

Maybe people that can offer you specialized data plans that fit your internet usage needs and the market would even itself out.

This is all of course in an ideal world. I really don't know what DJT wants to do about this but if he does go ahead and kill NN he better make sure Verizon and AT&T don't rule the internet.

>>58593210
They do. It's a two way street. Going full ancap kills competition as does full govt regulation.
A happy medium would be a free market where the govt acts as a referee that breaks up oligarchies and protects the consumer from questionable practices used to artificially increase demand. We aren't guaranteed that under Trump.

>>58593238
There is no "fair" price. Things are cheaper to buy in bulk. That is exactly the thing with the Netflix and Comcast issue.

>>58593189
That t-mobile case had nothing to do with net neutrality. What t-mobile did was throttle peoples traffic after they had certain number of gigs downdloaded.

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>>58593248
>he does go ahead and kill NN he better make sure Verizon and AT&T don't rule the internet.
do you really think he gives a fuck? lmao, imagine being this delusional

>>58593278
>There is no "fair" price.
Okay.

You want to start an alternative Internet service provider in an area where AT&T controls the cables. AT&T will sell you access to the already existing infrastructure, at a price of $1 per bit/second. That, or you try to lay down your own cables and engage in a price war with AT&T.

>>58593248
>Well if we don't have monolithic providers then commercializing internet could be nice.
And if my granny had balls, she'd be my grandpa.

The way things are now, killing net neutrality would open the door for more cancer.

>>58593295
If anything, he would be adverse to other companies moving into the market, especially if they're foreign owned

Trumpcucks are among the most delusional and pathetic people on 4chan, right next to /mlp/ horsefuckers

>>58593248
They will rule the internet and he's going to give them business tax cuts on top of it. It's gonna be a wild ride.

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>>58593005

The GOP has been trying to kneecap the ACA for years, you didn't need Trump for this to happen.

The Trump you were sold on is not going to be the Trump you're going to get - you're going to get the usual GOP agenda, resold to you under the Trump branding.

>>58593303
What does this have to do with net neutrality?

>>58593343
Why are you asking dumb questions?

>>58593303
>That, or you try to lay down your own cables and engage in a price war with AT&T.
It'd be a shame if someone would make it harder...

https://consumerist.com/2016/09/20/comcast-att-try-again-to-stall-google-fiber-in-nashville-by-writing-law-to-slow-it-down/

>>58593330
At least horsefuckers don't affect anyone but themselves and their ashamed parents.

>>58593349
Because I'm dumb. Please answer for me if you're so smart.

>>58593335
I expect large portions of the country to be like Kansas (save for maybe California) by 2023.

Trumptards will vote him in for a second term in 2020 and they will vote against their own interests just to piss off "SJW"s or whatever, really sad desu.

>>58593365
Here's your answer: learn to read a conversation.

>>58593286
I should have been more clear, I'm not referring to throttling but their binge on service which was what the FCC was talking over with them.

The FCC never made any legal ruling against them for it although I think they should have as the traffic to some services ran at full speed after you exceeded your cap but others did not.

>>58593371
So how are net neutrality regulations going to prevent AT&T for charging for access to their lines?

>>58593335
Trump has always been a pretty liberal guy. The entire GOP was against him from the start so I doubt he is going to follow "the usual GOP agenda"

>>58593334
his business tax cuts are in line with reducing the complexity of the tax code and making it so that corporations cant abuse loopholes to pay taxes offshores in places like Ireland or the Caribbeans.

>>58593313
>>58593295
we will have to wait and see. I'm on the fence about it but Trump is definitely a wildcard so you can't be 100% that he will let them remain monolithic.

>>58592659
Yes. Like how speed limits are also 'regulated'. Or how the aquisition of goods and services requires a purchase or trade of some sorts. And how bathrooms are 'regulated' for male and female user. Or do you suppose those be 'unregulated'?
>being this much of a reactionary faggot so eaily triggered by buzzwords instead of thinking rationally

>>58593402
If only an answer to this question already existed!

>>58592820
A typo is any error made while typing. Not just fatfingers.

>>58593410
>i-its there! Just read the thread!!!!!!

>>58593426
Who are you quoting?

>>58593426
Start here. >>58593066

>>58593335
I dunno man. I know it's only day two, but I have a feeling he's going to give us everything he promised within his power. He's gonna kill NN, he's made plenty anti climate change picks, he's putting things in place to privatize the school system to an extent, hes anti-vax, etc.
Anything the GOP disagrees with him on, he can smack them with an executive order. But only time will tell.

>>58593429
Whoever posted
>>58593410

>>58593406
>The entire GOP was against him from the start so I doubt he is going to follow "the usual GOP agenda"
retard, the only reason the GOP congress/senate is tolerating his conflicts of interest and ethics problems is because they view him as the perfect figurehead/distractor for pushing the usual GOP agenda.

Do you even politics?

>>58593449
Doesn't look like a quote. Maybe you should really learn to read.

>>58593406
>his business tax cuts are in line with reducing the complexity of the tax code
If only. Tax cuts without actually simplifying the mess and closing the loop holes will only make the country bleed out faster. Also you're overestimating the power of the president, it's beyond unlikely that he will challenge GOP agenda.

>we will have to wait and see
Not like there is a choice by now.

>>58593441
What does extra charges to acess Youtube have to do with starting another ISP and renting cables from AT&T?

>>58593378
>The FCC never made any legal ruling against them
So in the end net neutrality didn't do shit. Show me a problem which net neutrality solved.

>>58593477
You didn't read the whole thread.

>>58593406
Or he let's them stay monolithic as long as they pay a visit to Jr and Eric while making their oligarchy ruling cut ups...

>>58593495
Just make your point clear.

>>58592805
Sure but by this point not just a couple naive idiots will suffer.

Although I am honestly curious how they will justify getting buttfucked without being able to blame it on Obama or whatever is the new boogieman.

>>58593517
Just read the thread.

>>58593525
My ISP censors my internet and I can't read the beginning of the thread.

>>58593522
The jews.
The jews control the industry.
The liberal jews control the industry and the media.

>>58593522
They're gonna blame the Jews because Ivanka has a Jewish husband and they're going to say he's getting blackmailed or some shit.

>>58593535
Then that's your choice of not reading the thread.

>>58593472
>Also you're overestimating the power of the president,
Obviously he has a lot of work cut out for him in his first 4 years.

>it's beyond unlikely that he will challenge GOP agenda.

Considering how hes treated the established GOP politicians I wouldnt 100% agree with this

>>58593412
His hands are fat! So fat they aren't small! His hands are the best of them all!

>>58592114
>>58592215

this, he's a classic narcissist of the worst time

>>58593517
Net neutrality is not about access to the internet but how traffic is treated once in transit, it will not impact an ISP charging for access to the lines like a law for seat belts will not affect speeding.

>>58593522
nah, they'll blame it on Obama or dems somehow

or maybe just jews like >>58593536 said and then they'll get immensely butthurt when they realize that Trump doesn't share their antisemitism

>>58593408
The government builds the roads so it makes sense for them to be able to dictate the rules on them. There are no regulations on having to have separate bathrooms, and enforcement is up to the owner of the building.

>>58593536
It's hilarious to read their mental gymnastics on trump's connections with the jews.
>b-but he's 4d chess playing the jews, cuck

>>58593551
If he doesn't kowtow to the GOP agenda, he will be impeached within one year of breaking from it.

>>58593562
So the scenario with AT&T has nothing to do with net neutrality?

>>58592321
>Tbh it's not that bad as long as you aren't doing anything illegal that makes it so you end up on a watchlist.

If there was a time to get spooked and begin encrypting every file you have and using VPN for all internet traffic, now is the time (if not 10 years ago.) Simply browsing 4chan can get you watched more closely with this website's history with illegal content.

>>58593587
Well I'm staying cautiously optimistic. I've followed Trump since before this election cycle and hes a pretty savvy guy.

>>58593592
If only there was a thread on /g/ where this conversation took place. You might learn how things connect to each other by reading it. But alas, we will never know.

>>58593587
Will would be even worse given how Pence makes Trump look reasonable and educated. Gotta root for Mr Orange to fit in.

>>58593628
Thanks for admitting I'm right.

>>58592215
How bout that wall, massive deportation, and Muslim hit list?

>>58593634
About what? That you can't read?

>>58593483
Regulations are about deterrence, they will not prevent someone from doing something like a law against murder does not stop murders.

I taken the fact you don't have to pay extra to access 4chan as inverse proof that net neutrality is working as intended.

However if someone does breach the regulations and are proven in court to have broken them you'll get you example.

>>58592215
>pretty much this

>>58593643
That net neutrality is useless in protecting consumers.

>>58593592
Yes, that's why bringing access into a transit discussion has made you look pretty stupid and the other anon has been calling you on it.

>>58593659
I expected you to give a retarded answer but I did not fathom your response would be that retarded.

>>58593632
This. Trump getting removed from office is not going to end well for anybody. It's like Pence is a damn insurance policy.

>>58593668
Yes back to r/technology you go

>>58593659
Could you elaborate?

>>58593686
>say retarded thing
>get called out on it
>b-back to beddit!!!
/pol/ cancer detected

>>58592713
>one box had one thumbtack in it
>anon doesn't notice, he's gotta be at work in 20 mins because he's a hard working, tax paying, non-welfare queen
>tears his trachea
>rushed to hospital where he inadvertantly receives gender reassignment surgery
>gets billed $50,000 for procedure
>insurance deems it cosmetic, won't cover cost
>anon can't sue corn cereal company, hospital or doctor because no >muh regulations
>can't even yell with rage because she no longer has vocal chords or a penis
MAGA

>>58593632
>Pence makes Trump look reasonable and educated.
Nope. It's just that Trump is an oaf who doesn't really understand things and Pence just wants to trample people.

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>Zuckerberg wants to run for 2020
>yfw we get a Trump vs Zuckerberg ticket

>>58593369

Trump did not win because of SJW's.

He won because he promised jobs to the rust belt. When he fails to deliver on those promised, expect those states to flip back to being democratic again.

>>58593701
ISPs can still charge whatever they want net neutrality or not.

>>58593674
The problem with that theory is that Pence is much more of the 'traditional' republican compared to Trump.

I have no doubt that the GOP establishment would prefer Pence if Trump starts obstructing them or vetoing republican bills. They're only going along with him right now because he's a useful destractor.

He can tweet some dumb shit about SNL to keep the rubes preoccupied while the house republicans vote for TPP or do whatever they want.

>>58593412
that's not a typo, that's a blatant misspelling.

>>58593726
I'd figure Zuckerberg would run on the GOP ticket. He's a self-made billionaire and all.

>>58593732
>implying they won't blame Trumps failure on something or preferably somebody else
People have a REALLY hard time accepting that they got tricked and will come up with the most mindbending shit to view the situation differently.

>>58593736
On access yes, but not for transit which is what net neutrality protects.

>>58593707
AYYY LMAO

>>58593726
>They "trust me"
>Dumb fucks

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>>58592114
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/20/donald-trumps-full-inauguration-speech-transcript-annotated/
>I will fight for you with every breath in my body and I will never ever let you down.
>I will never ever let you down.
Everything will be just fine. He won't let us down /g/.

>>58593769
ISPs do not have unlimited bandwidth. Some packets must be dropped in times of congestion.

>>58593762
>most mindbending shit to view the situation differently

This is true, just look a liberal twitter and facebook after the elections, you can expect the same for conservatives if Trump belly flops the presidency.

>>58593648

We've had internet since early 90's. 20 something years with no net neutrality regulations whatsoever. All was fine. Didn't have to pay extra to access 4chan. If there were problems it was things like false advertising, monopolies but we already have agencies to deal with that. I still think net neutrality is a solution looking for a problem. People have idea of what internet should be and they want to write it in stone in form of net neutrality legislation. We can't see the future, we don't know how technology evolves, therefore we shouldn't set things in stone.

>>58593753
He's too liberal for GOP and most redneck mouth-breathers don't know him due to not having a reality TV show, he is going to run through the DNC with a centrist platform, I bet.

>>58593787
>I will never ever let you down.
I'm sure he won't disappoint his jewish banker circle.

>>58593787
I bet you'd buy a timeshare from the man, huh?

>>58592245
>for using data

uh what? Why would it not use data? It's streaming media over the internet, why would that somehow not use your cap?

>>58593787
Oh okay if he said it then it must be true.

How do I donate my life savings to MAGA?

>>58592987
>implying anyone has a choice

>>58593795
..do you not remember America online and related paid venues and the path we were headed down?

>>58593792

You don't need to predict when you have prior art - see 2008 and 2012. Watching FOX call 2102 was especially illuminating...

>>58593792
>you can expect the same for conservatives if Trump belly flops the presidency.
They'll just call it "fake news", after they learned the concept by repeatedly saying Clinton is operating a pedophilia ring out of a pizzeria.

>>58593067
GREAT ILL JUST MOVE TO THE BEST TOWN FOR EACH THING/SERVICE I OWN/WANT/NEED AND EVERYTHING WORKS OUT GREAT, JUST NEED TO FLY TO MY CHEAP INTERNET HOUSE, THEN PICK UP SOME CORN FLAKES AT THE ONE SUPERMARKET 3 STATES OVER THAT SELLS LEGIT CORN FLAKES, WOW THIS IS SO GREAT WOW FREE MARKET IS AMAZING WOW

>>58593788
The responsibility of an ISP is to provide what is advertised. If congestion cannot be avoided over the long term then that points to organizational issues that need to be addressed to protect the American people from being defrauded.
Regulation is a a tool the government uses for this task when a private entity is unable to provide a given level of service or rectify the issue that lead to the service degradation.

>>58592215
inb4 wall, russian friendship and the next crusade

>>58593853
It's not necessarily the consumer level ISP's fault that there is congestion, but they sure will be blamed and have to waste funds in court defending themselves from these regulations. Look at what happened with Comcast and Netflix.

>>58592694
There are, actually. Retired and on disability, ie.

>>58593894
>retired and disability
Jeez I didn't know those counted as either employment, education, or training

>>58593903
So, welfare then?

>>58593747

Definition of typo
plural typos
: an error (as of spelling) in typed or typeset material

>>58592321
>Tbh it's not that bad as long as you aren't doing anything illegal that makes it so you end up on a watchlist.
That is until any dissent whatsoever becomes criminal

>>58593795
>We've had internet since early 90's. 20 something years with no net neutrality regulations whatsoever. All was fine.
Very true. However during this time I could swap between any number of dial-up providers with out moving to a new city or town and any ma and pa ISP could be opened due to the regulations that existed for the distribution of phone lines that last mile internet access ran over.

The same regulations do not exist for broadband, I have one broadband provider and to change that I'd have to move. New job, new house, new area. Without the regulations existing to establish broadband as a utility like the phone line is ISPs can be an enclosed as they want. Net neutrality is a band-aid solution that attempts to keep these closed systems fair.

Making it that internet access is a utility does not prevent technological evolution. Just look at the difference one phone lines became a utility, competition and innovation exploded and I expect the same for internet access.

>>58593838

Were you screaming for net neutrality back then too? The problem sorted itself without net neutrality laws, that should give you some confidence.

What if somebody comes up with some data communications service that is actually good idea. It will be struck down because it is not net neutrality compliant. You have law protecting the incumbents against innovation. Net neutrality has no good sides, all the problems with abuse in current system can be already solved with laws against anti-competitive behavior without any use of net neutrality law.

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>>58593787
Didn't Obama pull the same appeal to emotion bullshit as trump with his change.org thing? Are people actually this delusional?

>>58593885
It's very true that regulations can burden down business. thankfully net neutrality is not one of them.
The result of the Comcast and Netflix debacle was that Comcast had been intentional kneecapping interconnect transit to Netflix's ISP in order to get money.
Level 3, one of the largest tier 1 providers in the world alluded to as much in their blog post about last mile transit.
http://blog.level3.com/open-internet/observations-internet-middleman/

>>58592782
The ones from the iPhone aren't done by him but by his social media manager, the ones from his Android phone are all pure unadulterated trump

>>58592871
>A free market, while better than socialism
but that's wrong

>>58594112
Oh yes it's Comcast's, who is not the one getting paid, by downstream internet companies, fault for the link between Comcast and Level 3 not meeting the bandwidth requirements for the packets Level 3 is getting paid to send. Totally makes sense.
http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2014/02/media-botching-coverage-netflix-comcast-deal-getting-basics-wrong.html
It was entirely Level 3 and Congent's (and partially Netflix's) fault that Netflix's packets were not getting delivered, and yet the mass uneducated public blamed Comcast and screamed about muh net neutrality.

>>58592476
You're talking about competition, net neutrality is neither competition nor a lack thereof

>>58594039
>BUH BUH OBAMA

>>58593747
if whoever wrote it went back and proofread it, do you really think they would think it's spelled "honered"? it's a typo dude, especially a secretary would be typing at the speed of thought and maybe she got distracted or typed it in a hurry.

>>58594193
obama is an idiot too

>>58594189
Even when Cogent and Level 3 have peering issue, net neutrality still applies here as all providers are required to follow it and not just the last mile ones like Comcast.
If Cogent cannot provide its customers with what is advertised then action needs to be taken to address it whether that comes internally or from government.

>>58594224
I'm sorry that trump can't spell

>>58594256
i'm sorry that you're an underage retard/manchild

>>58594248
That is an issue of not having bandwidth, not net neutrality. Congent evetually resorted to implementing QoS which technically went against net neutrality, to allievate the issue, which though hurt video streaming, allowed people on their networks to do other tasks like browsing the web or checking email. The alternative was to hurt traffic for everyone.

Net neutrality is based on the assumption that all packets have equal value, when that isn't really the case.

>>58592782
there's no way you could even know this in the first place.

>>58594286
I think we're getting off base here but then I guess the question becomes why did Cogent and Level 3 allow thing to develop like they did?
Transit between tier 1 providers is usually a tit-for-tat proposition, as available bandwidth dwindles we'll open a 10G port on our router if you open one on yours or perhaps a mutual upgrade of equipment.
No money exchanges hands but each provider keeps up the status quo expected by their costumers, what happened between Cogent and Level 3 in this case?

>>58594332
k

>>58594338
Netflix grew faster than they could grow their bandwidth.

>>58594278
Here's how to tell which tweets are trump and which ones aren't

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-trump-tweets-iphone-android-1470868218-htmlstory.html

>>58594278
You're retarded if you haven't noticed his previous spelling mistakes

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>>58594366

>>58594388
>implying they're real spelling mistakes and not just typos/getting spelling of names wrong
>implying this even matters
fucking idiot

>>58593796
why do you leftists hate the white working class?

>>58594429

Do you ever look back a year ago when you whined about "Lefties and their -ist labels" and feel like a hypocrite?

>>58594443
not an argument.

>>58594425
If it doesn't matter I really don't see why it matters so much to you

Also
>unpresidented
>honered
>typos

I'm sorry that trump can't spell

>>58592215
No, thats hillary

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>>58594459

>>58594470
Good one

>>58594443
leftists want to get rid of white people

>>58594481
(You)

>>58594492
I'm sorry that trump can't spell anon

>>58594559
i'm sorry that you're already getting triggered this much 1 day into an 8 year trump presidency

>>58592321
>Tbh it's not that bad as long as you aren't doing anything illegal that makes it so you end up on a watchlist.
m8 that's the exact description of what you shouldn't want

>>58594608
I just think it's a little funny that he can't spell, and that his supporters feel the need to defend him on an anonymous Mesopotamian seahorse trading forum

>tfw the simple truth is that trickle down works
>The 80s and 90s were an amazing time to be middle class, and fucking clinton had to ruin it
All Trump has to do is be reagan 2.0

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>>58594682
>trickle down works

>>58594716
So Reagan just magically fixed the stagflation mess that Carter left behind?

>>58594162
Socialism collapses on itself.

>>58594794
You spelled capitalism wrong

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>all theses anti white leftists

>>58594807
Amazing how the US has been around for more than 90 years then, and it's only started to go bad when socialist faggots got power.

>>58594807
Socialism is designed to fail in a society where you cannot ensure everyone is benevolent and willing to work, or everything concerning production is not fully automated and owned by the state. It WILL collapse under its own weight if we are in a pre-AI age like we are now.

>>58593043
>they've colluded
Collusion is illegal. Alert the proper authorities.

Stop being mean. Trump is a genuinely good guy and is going to get us down to 1% unemployment rate. Bank on it.

>>58594832
>collusion is illegal
Not when you've gotten rid of the regulations stopping it

>>58594733
You may remember about 20,000 businesses failing in 1982 and unemployment reaching record highs, after Reaganomics began, or you may remember the national debt skyrocketing

Or you might remember that it was only after he rolled back his tax cuts for the wealthy in 83 that things began to improve.

The real hero of his administration was Volker, Carter's appointee to the federal reserve who actually focused on killing inflation, which then allowed interest rates to drop, then a booming workforce was able to actually improve the economy

That's my take on it, at least

Or maybe it was a mixture of the two's policies that led to the turnaround, or maybe Regan deserves more credit, honestly I think it's unclear who deserves the kudos

These always get viewed through a democrat/republican lens, so it's hard to really know if someone believes a specific economic policy is better or if they are just following their party

>>58594860
>not if we were talking of an alternative reality that I made up

>>58594840
I genuinely hope that everyone but his supporters is wrong about him and that he ushers America into a new age of prosperity

I am skeptical, and he's not doing much to make me rally behind him

>>58594889
In ideal ancap, there is no regulation of business

>>58593067
>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Aviation_Regulations

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>>58592782
Trust me, its not gonna be the dude getting paid to write tweets making a typo. If this was anyone, it was trump.

[spoiler] #niggernavy [/spoiler]

>>58594928
This

And typos are when you press a key accidentally, these are clearly spelling mistakes

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Instead of adding more regulations, what if a tax deduction was given to companies who don't censor legal content? Wouldn't that solve the problem and make all parties happy?

>>58593352
Remember when ponyspammers we're the most obnoxious posters you had to worry about? And then moot made a containment board for them, and they actually stayed there? Ahh, the good ol' days...

>>58594945
>And typos are when you press a key accidentally, these are clearly spelling mistakes

No, they aren't. Typo is short for Typographical Error. A Mistake is text. No where in any form of definition does it exclude spelling mistakes.

>>58595043
Net neutrality isn't about censoring. It's a bunch of redditors wanting to dictate how ISPs should handle traffic when they have no idea how the internet works.

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>>58592114
>honered

>>58593707
thats what you get for not checking your HETCIS privilege

>>58594945

Definition of typo
plural typos
: an error (as of spelling) in typed or typeset material

typo
NOUN
informal
A typographical error.

typo
noun [ C ] UK /ˈtaJ.pəʊ/ US /ˈtaJ.poʊ/ informal
a small mistake in a text made when it was typed or printed.


[tahy-poh]
Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
noun, plural typos. Informal.
1. typographical error.

ty·po (tī′pō)
n. pl. ty·pos Informal
A typographical error.

No where but in your retarded world are spelling mistakes not a typo.

>>58593406
>can't abuse loopholes to pay taxes offshore in places like Ireland or the Caribbeans
Oh, you mean like he does?
He's a smart guy...

>>58595052
>ponyfuckers are more responsible and obey the rules than trumpcucks
really makes you think

>>58595043
>>58595043
Problem isn't company A censoring stuff from other companies necessarily. Problem can also be company B charging company A to access servers on their lines or use information passing through their lines and company A then passing those costs on to their customers.

>>58595123
WAHH I SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUSH MY PACKETS THROUGH FOR FREE! You sound just like the Netflix CEO.

>>58594945
kill yourself

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>>58594819
>thinks trump cares about poor white trash
>thinks anyone does

>>58595155
Just saying don't be surprised when you're paying triple your monthly costs to visit 4chan because the networks got privatized. And don't be surprised when certain sections get blocked off because company A has to route through company B to route through company C and so on to get you to the data/server you want to access.

>>58595190
You really have no idea how ISPs work do you?

>>58594945
>Trump doesn't swipe to type
lmao fucking noob

>>58595200

The cyber has been too confusing for him since he traded in his iPhone for the Galaxy.

>>58595235
>talking about Murica first
>supporting South Koreas conglomerate
Man, I get the feeling Trump is full of shit.

>>58595199
What's wrong with what I said? It's true that they have to route through each other in order to access particular information stored locally to a client of any other ISP/cable lines.

Someone on Verizon is going to have to incur an extra cost to access a server not on a Verizon server and Verizon is damn sure not paying the cost for everyone to access data off of their lines.

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>>58593707
>anon loses job because late to work
>no one is willing to hire a cockless mute
>no workers comp., disability, or welfare to help
>forced to suck BBC for cash
MAGA

>>58595285
So Verizon should just build cables to connect with these other companies for free?

>>58595291
>diet coke
#NOT MY PRESIDENT

>>58595291
>already fat as fuck
>constantly eating greasy fast food
>diet coke so it's ok

>>58595291
wtf was in that plate?

>>58595303
Or we just let everyone share the lines as it is now.

>>58595355
What line? I'm building a new video streaming service, and the servers are going to be located in the middle of the tundra in Alaska for cooling services. Verizon should be forced to build lines connecting my servers to their network for free!

>>58595312
>>58595320
>thinking anyone actually drinks that shit because they think its healthy
regular is sticky and sickeningly sweet
I unironically like cancertame's taste better too

>>58592321
Minority report, sounds spooky

>>58595254
thanks for correcting the record, shill

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/19/politics/donald-trump-apple-boycott/

>>58592215
This. Trump is just a meme. Same with shillary.

>>58595395
this

on very rare occasions i'll have fanta or fanta exotic but otherwise it's coke zero, not because it's healthy but because i prefer it

>>58595377
Nowhere did anyone state that a company should be forced to lay down lines to support customers in an arbitrary location. The argument is that cable lines laid down in the states are a public good.

>>58595428
Bow down before the one you serve.
You're going to get what you deserve.

>>58595503
*teleports behind you*

>>58595428
Guess it's all cool given how he invited Tim Cook for his dick sucking meeting.

Also what happened to Trumps Macbook, w-would he really get a Chinknovo now?

>>58595433
He's a meme, but he's our meme.

>>58595510
You mean
*bends over in front of*

>>58595476
I see. So I should be able to start an ISP using lines laid down by Verizon without paying Verizon.

>>58595531
*unzips dick*

>>58595522
#notmymeme

>>58595541
I don't know. Did uber pay for all the roads their drivers drive on?

>the autism in this thread
i'm glad this is hitting the bump limit soon

fuck all of you

>>58595570
So Uber drivers should be able to drive on toll roads for free?

>>58595541
Yup. And in return Verizon and their customers shouldn't have to pay you money to communicate with customers of your ISP service and vice versa and you chip in to pay for maintenance/upgrades on the cable lines.

>>58595588
Why would I chip in to pay for maintenance/upgrades when I can use it for free?

>>58595603
Because part of the contract of you using the lines as an ISP is you paying to maintain them. Part of the stipulations of the regulations.

>>58595580
Toll? Pfft, sounds more like tax and regulations to me...
MAGA
A
G
A

>>58595624
But you just said I could use them for free!

>>58595627
Not when done through a private company.

>>58595636
Nowhere did I state that you can use the lines for free. I stated that companies don't charge between each other to communicate on the public lines.

>>58595627
*sounds like more
Sorry, was dictating my post.

>>58595663
So I should be able to plug in a cable into Verizon's network and start congesting their network with output to /dev/null without them being able to do anything about it?

>>58594429
>lefts are communists
>hate the working class
>all this delicious cognitive dissonance

>>58595711
output from dev/null*

>>58592536

of course it does something you fucking dense cunt

>>58595679

>>58595711
>without them being able to do anything about it
Youd need a pretty strong system to clog an entire network with multiple routes. On top of that, there is no guarantee that another ISP wont just block garbage coming from your channel if you decide to do that. Lastly, regulation would see to it that you were barred from use of public lines as an ISP for purposefully clogging it. As a client of an ISP, they'd just throttle your speeds to prevent you from doing such an act.

>>58595822
But every packet is treated equally under net neutrality! My packets are just as important as someone else's!

>>58595841
So long as you pay to maintain care of the lines and don't damage the system, yes your packets are equal.

>>58595872
Which lines? I thought you said that companies don't need to pay each other in order to communicate through their lines? All I'm doing is sending data through the connection point to Verizon. And why are you accusing me of damaging the system? What about the other companies sending data through? They should be equally responsible.

>>58595904
You pay to maintain the lines as an ISP anon, keep up. You don't have to pay to share information.
If you're sending data through the connection point to Verizon, Verizon does not have to accept garbage coming from your channel and can throttle your speeds if you abuse. You are being accused of damaging the system because you specifically said that you intended to congest the network with output from /dev/null.

The other companies are not equally responsible when there is a trail which shows the garbage as originating from your servers. You can be cut off for damaging the system, or have your speeds throttled to allow others to use the public good. All packets being equal does not mean you have a right to clog and block others.

>>58595962
I'm not an ISP. I have a a bunch of servers, and I paid to lay down my own lines to the interconnect from Verizon.

Let's say I'm not sending output from /dev/null, I'm sending output from /dev/random, which just looks like encrypted material. Or let's say I'm a big company like Netflix, and I'm sending videos, which is a legitimate service. What if Verizon doesn't have enough bandwidth at the interconnect point to handle the traffic? Are they forced to build more for free?

>>58595989
>I'm not an ISP
Then you are a customer and Verizon can definitely throttle your speeds as part of the contract you sign when accepting them as your ISP.

>>58596010
Ok, let's say I am an ISP, and I have a company like Netflix who is using me to connect to Verizon, but I don't charge them anything for traffic on my part of the network. Will Verizon still be forced to push my packets through?

>>58596046
Verizon can't charge you to accept your packets if you are an ISP. They also however do not have to accept your packets at a rate which would clog their network or accept them at all should they find you are damaging the flow of the overall network. At this point you get throttled.
Furthermore if you are not charging a company like Netflix to use your ISP, you are an idiot.

>>58596092
Why are they throttling me instead of other ISPs trying to send data through their network? That's against net neutrality rules.

>>58596102
You get throttled if you clog.
Furthermore where is it stated that such an act is against net neutrality rules?

>>58596124
Let's say I'm pushing 30% of their capacity, company B is pushing 40%, company C is pushing 25%, and company D is pushing 60%. Why am I the one charged with clogging?

>>58596146
In that event you likely wouldn't get charged with clogging. You'd just get throttled along with everyone else. Throttling would be proportional to how much capacity you are using.

>>58596184
Sounds like a good experience for the user. Thanks Obama for net neutrality!

>>58596201
That's one of the downsides of net neutrality, yes. But it's a better alternative than being a paying customer for ISP A paying extra to access information hosted by someone on ISP B and getting throttled on top of that.

>>58596236
There are many different variables factoring into transport costs other than Company A vs Company B. What is the location? What is the distance? What are the other competitors in the area? Most internet traffic will go through a Tier 1 ISP at reasonable rates which has access to last mile ISPs like Comcast and Verizon. I don't see why you need net neutrality at all. It only opens a can of worms for trolls to mess things up.

>>58594023
You're correct. In many areas, only one Broadband company provides internet.
Where i used to live, it was Comcast, and as soon as net neutrality is dissolved, I'm almost certain that they'll pull a stunt. Why? Because NOW they are aware that once the laws are repealed, they CAN.
Trump's supporters have no comprehension of how damaging removing net neutrality would be in this day and age. I'd presume that the number of people using streaming services and other high bandwidth activity since the act was passed has grown exponentially (not as a result of the act per se, more as a natural growing process as such services gained popularity) and as such, ISPs have more incentive to dig a knife in on the consumers, especially if they specialize in/are most present in areas with minimal competition.

>>58593067
Yeah I'll just abandon all my dear friends and family (because yes, i have such things) because the fucking internet in rural central FL sucks.
As much as I'd love to have a good situation for internet here (or any home internet at all, because nobody will provide it to my home), I'm not exactly seeing the appeal in moving away just to get internet, and potentially to someplace with an even higher cost of living.