What went wrong?

wrong moves, cutting the wrong people out of the company, general stupidity

retarded ceo who thought intel will use netburst forever
also this >>58578331

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They got fucked over by the Jews so people buy them for being the "good guy" but their products are still shit

If you buy any AMD products right now you're literally cucking yourself to inferior trash because of "muh morals"

>>58578362
>i get to define what is truth and what isn't
no.
kill yourself.

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Poo poo on the GPU

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>>58578383
Numbers dont lie, anything AMD makes is shittier than Nvidia or Intel. This is written fact and if you compare results AMD always comes out on the bottom, even if their raw performance is decent theres something that holds it back.

they went for fabricator facilities

Their marketing team is terrible.

>>58578815
*Their R&D team is terrible

poor to average products
Batshit retarded fanbase

They took a gamble with the bulldozer architure and style of moar cores is moar better. I'm hoping vega will provide more long lasting and high performance options on the consumer level.

>>58578880
without them intel would inflate prices. kabylake is a joke, no comp

>>58579082
Intel's hit a dead end and is already moving on to new tech which we'll get in 2018, meanwhile AMD is still trying to catch up to their dead end

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>>58579126
>2018

>>58579162
thats when Coffee Lake comes out, yes
2020 is when we get all the other bullshit


and AMD will not make a single relevant product in that timeframe

>>58579173
Coffe lake is just another rehash

>>58579194
coffee*

like clockwork

They thought DX12 was coming a lot faster then it actually did so bulldozer and later CPU's were Dead On Arrival.
They thought Intel would just stick with netburst based designed for years. They couldn't beat the Due or the i* series.

Currently there isn't. Zen will be passable enough to be competitive (I'm not saying great). Vega will be MEH.

The issue is Intel isn't doing shit. Their CEO is a flaming retard who has fired engineers for now turning out new core architecture improvements in <5 weeks. 10nm is likely going to be delayed until 2019. Coffee Lake will literally be Skylake 3: I pray to god you are still buying our CPU's. Likely with some small core clock increases.

If Zen works out _okay_ later generations will be great. There will be a lot of low hanging fruit to optimize. They'll likely get purchased by GlobalFounderies if that happens as that's Intel's old CEO who was actually competent (noticed GloFlo is doing well?).

>>58579230
Hopefully to zen being at least as good as phenom ii :-D

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THE ONLY GOOD CPU

>>58579292
Dear VIA:
Please stop making low power x86 processors. Please become competitive again.

Thanks,
Anon who hates the Intel/AMD battles.

>>58578314
Bulldozer. Other than that, nothing in particular.

>>58579309
I'd kill someone to make this happen.

Via C4 when?
The marketing campaign writes itself.
"Explosive power - Via C4"

>>58579356
That'd be fucking amazing.

Or if x86 licensing changes, which isn't likely.

>>58579309
Via has never been competitive ever

>>58579410
At least they were more competitive/mainstream than they are now.

Question from a normie:

Why do people say that Vulkan is an AMD thing? Or imply that Vulkan is somehow better on AMD hardware?

>>58579418
Relatively more common yes but still far from competitive or mainstream.

>>58579444
AMD runs like shit on Dx11 but good on DX12/vulkan

Nvidia runs twice as good on both

>>58579444
Due to nature of GCN arch is gains some huge benefits from parallelism achieved by dx12/Vulkan.

>>58579527

Nvidia doesn't have this feature?

>>58579590
NVIDIA has different arch.

>>58578314
Intel's illegal business tactics, industrial espionage, industrial sabotage, and paying off the legal system.

>>58578314
Intel paid Dell and the rest billions every year to Jew AMD out of sales, even thought the Intel product was inferior.

>>58579723
>Waaaah a rich and successful company did something rich and successful companies do and AMD was too stupid to see it!

They also turned that "inferior product" into the best CPUs you can get today while AMD tried to meme us with MOAR CORES(which they're trying again), so it worked out for the best in the end.

>>58579850
>They also turned that "inferior product"

No

They completely threw netburst in the garbage

>>58580956
>literally missing the point like a fucking autistic child
AMDrones really are braindead

>>58579850
to be fair even during netburst era intel still had the best mobile chips
pentium m was so good that some MB manufacturers made it possible to put in a desktop

>>58578715
Really? What is better than the RX 470 for a similar price?

>>58581045
literally anything else

>>58579444
Because AMD was heavily involved into creating and promoting Mantle which is pretty predecessor of Vulkan. Vulkan games favor AMD because it uses async which right now at least unitl Volta is AMD exclusive and it shows massive performance gains. Nothing wrong with that, if every AAA game out there was coming out with async I'd buy AMD card myself, but it isn't, it's literally supported by 9 games and 2 of them (AotS and DOOM) are like a mantra for every AMD fanboy. I find it's kind hilarious when I see a heavily favored AMD shill review where 50% of games are either Vulkan or DX12 when in reality 95% of games you gonna play in 2017 and the ones made in last years are running in dx11 where a 480RX loses to a heavily oced 970.

>>58581045
Dunno about burger prices but in UK either 3gb 1060 or 4gb 480... You could buy a stock 480, underclock it so it never reaches 70 degrees and it still would be faster than 470.

>>58581104
>AMD exclusive
Wrong, Pascal doesn't have async Maxwell v2 does.

>>58581129
You sure about that? I thought it's only software supported async which gives almost no gains.

>>58580978
t.fat manchild with emotional issues

AMD is so fucking retarded that they can't even get their prices right. I'm planning on building a mini ITX pc for my dad so he can stop buying those overpriced garbage laptops that he has to change 2 years later in order to play a game at 60 fps and minimum details. Only biggest retarded AMD morons buy a 470 when a 480 is actually cheaper and around 10 faster. Their whole line up makes no god damn sense.

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>>58581328
Fucks sake forgot picture, pic very fucking related.

>>58581194
it just has less of async, like 8bit or some shit.
Just shows that nVidia though async wasn't going anywhere and cut it.

>>58578314
>What went wrong?

W A I T ™

>>58578314
>not releasing Ryzen early enough to grab the Christmas sales
>not releasing Ryzen when stocks peaked to prevent the fall caused by stock exchangers looking for a quick buck
>not releasing Ryzen at the same time as Intel's next gen to take sales from the jews
>not releasing Ryzen
See a pattern?

>>58581345
1) Newegg is retarded. 2) You're paying for the game. 3) Different brands of the card. 4) Newegg is retarded.

>>58578314

Tanking a company that already can't afford to R&D a CPU to beat Intel and deciding to buy ATi so they can split that shitty R&D budget into a CPU and GPU division.

>>58581364
>async is shit because nvidia doesn't support it

This thread is dead.

>>58579230
>AMD will get purchased by the company they spun off and own some of

Ok

>>58578314
combination of incompetent management and facing an oponent that is 20 times bigger. The culmination was trying to go for high clock design when your main competitor's high clock design was the thing that brought you to prominence.

>>58578314
Targeting the low-end.
Every GPU has a specific amount of money which needs to be spent to build it. When you sell a 200 dollar GPU when it takes the same or a slightly larger amount of money to build a 300 dollar GPU, the 300 dollar GPU is making more profit. Combine that with people leaning to the high-end for lots of things and AMD's brand being bad, and you get Nvidomination, which is sad cause the RX 480 is a fine card.

>>58579472
>Nvidia runs twice as good on both

Are you taking the piss? Nvidia runs like shit on DX12, and most current AAA titles run better in DX11 for them.

>>58581364
woooow you're retarded.

Nvidia just doesn't support AMD's version of async that was written into the core of mantle and carried over to vulkan.
It's like they don't support freesync even though they could if they weren't so proud of themselves.

Nvidia has CUDA which implements its own version of async compute. Afaik it's really more for multimedia and business software at the moment but I'm sure they're hard at work implementing it into gameworks so they can cuck AMD and any of their own previous gen cards like they always do.

>>58578314

It was the pins.

>>58578358
The funny thing is that in 3 years we'll be saying the same thing about Intel, except with Bulldozer.

>>58583678
>making a $200 gpu costs the same as a $300 one

No it doesn't you tard. The polaris chip was designed for the absolute highest yields possible. It's also designed to get by with not so spectacular VRM and other low quality board components.

Keep in mind that until like a month ago most OC rx 480 8gb's were selling for ~$300 since inception and were sold out for months even at that price.

They made a $200 GPU they could sell for $300. Not that it really matters though since they only sell the chip itself to third parties.

>>58578435
CEO is also a gook.

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>>58578362
>>58578715

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>>58578314
1) Hector Ruiz is an incompetent prick of a manager who gutted much of what was good about the company. This is the guy who sold off the mobile chip division just before Apple released the iPhone and mobile chips exploded.
2) Retarded shareholders strangling the company at every turn in the name of "shareholder value."

GloFo is a thoroughly mediocre company by itself and doesn't seem like it will do much if AMD shrivels up and dies.

>>58578880
Nah it's mainly their fabs

>>58583792
Nvidia has async only on the software side. CUDA will have no benefit for gameworks.

>>58578314
Since jimmy left and the rise of core2 designs and the acquisition of dying ATi .

Plenty of stuff, from bureaucratic to political.

But at least they have a new architecture in 2017 instead of waiting for 2022 for it like a certain other company.

>>58583848
intel has been using the same core for almost 20 years now, netburst was a fail and they fell back to p3 and refined it.

Look at bulldozer compared to what is offered now, it's amazing what they did with it all things considered.

now look at ryzen and think what if this is the same level of unrefined that bulldozer was, shit is getting me interested in computer parts again.

>>58581125
if they are the same price you are getting fucked hard.

>>58579126
intel is at a 'dead end' till at least 2020, possibly 2021, and that's if they find it easy to make a better cpu than they did with the pentium 3... something they are still using as a base... almost 20 years after it came out... and the itanium failed, and netburst failed, and its at this point you realize that amd has a better track record with new core arches than intel does.

>>58584943
nvidia's async isn't async it's still all parallel, but it just queues the shit up a bit faster if memory serves.

>>58581956
What's wrong with Newegg

>>58579126
>Intel's hit a dead end
We could very well be looking at the limits for single threaded computing for our current ways of designing computers. No significant progress has been made on that front in the past half decade and even IBM can't beat Intel in terms of single threaded performance.

That could be good news for AMD if you look at it as their opportunity to catch up but it's bad news for the entire rest of humanity, unless we see a radical departure from our current ways of doing things.

>>58579356
>"Explosive power - Via C4"
kek

>>58589756
sure, silicon isn't improving. but designs can get more efficient. transistors can shrink further. software can become better at running on new hardware.

we still have decades of progressin front of us.

>>58582605
>>AMD will get purchased by the company they spun off and own some of
You are mentally retarded. AMD sold off it's fabs to 4 different companies. GloFo existed before AMD sold them *some* of their fab factories. You are literally retarded and no nothing.

AMD had a major advantage by creating the x64 expansions to x86 which run 32bit programs without emulation. Intel wanted to replace x86-32 with Itanium which is terrible at emulating x86. They also were lucky with K8 AMD64 when intel was still trying to get the awful netburst architecture to work.

>>58589793
>GlobalFoundries was created by the divestiture of the manufacturing arm of Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) on March 2, 2009

>>58589786
Yeah, we'll probably see great jumps in efficiency but we're unlikely to see any significant increase in single threaded performance. We'll probably also see better multithreaded performance as well.

>>58589793
>literally retarded and no nothing
>literally
>no nothing
Not that guy but you're really not in a position to call someone else retarded.

>>58589786
>software can become better at running on new hardware
poojeet can't into proper code

>>58578314
Nothing.

>>58589980
>faildozer

>>58589738
i am 99.999 percent positive they use components to mine crypto currency and fuck around and then just repackage them, go on any GPU or product and check the reviews half of them whine about the gpu not lasting very long or being DOA

>>58590354
this

>>58578314
Waiting

>>58590354
Where do you think the free shipping comes from

amd exists so intel wouldnt get split up by the government because of monopoly. forgetting the technical name.

same with the gpu department.

>>58597876
>>58597876
AMD is much older than x86 and the IBM PC. hell it's only one year younger than Intel itself.

>>58579356
>"Explosive power - Via C4"
fuck, I spilled coffe all over my desk

>>58597876
I wonder if this is why intel is going to start using their iGPU.
Would be pretty funny if it is, Intel doing all they can to make sure AMD doesn't go bankrupt and they have to face actual competition for once

>>58589756
intel has been riding a corpse for 20 years, yea, this is the absolute pinnacle of the pentium 3, lets all come back after intel puts out a new core arch and see if they still cant make progress then.

>>58596717
eating the cost of shipping from their profits because nearly every competitor offers it without adding to the product cost

>>58598286
nah, its because nvidia are such massive cunts to work with as a business. intel licensed nvidia gpu base patents for 1.5 billion dollars, back in 2011 nvidia is likely asking for a fuck load more money, and amd is sitting in the corner 'hey, pay off our debts and we good to go for years'

and that's how nvidia just fucked themselves, by being such a cunty company to work with they just gave amd, who is set to be a significant force in the pro market with 16fp being the new hot thing, capital to further fund being a force that can drive nvidia out.

Terrible, most autistic fanbase of shitposters on Internet, literally anything that comes out of AMD's drone mouth is always some kind of autistic screeching. Their ability to discard any facts is truly magnificent. Every pro-AMD argument I see on this retarded knitting forum has the same issue of being cherry picked.

- Muh Ryzen 40% IPC gains! Intel has no gains! (Discards the fact that Intel can afford releasing a new line up every year and that we are reaching absolute silicon limits so AMD is simply getting where Intel was for years)
- Muh 480RX being $50 cheaper than 1060 while being faster! (Discards the fact that reference cards aren't even available, probably because they ran too hot so AMD decided to drop them altogether, meanwhile any decent, faster 8gb version of 480RX costs as much as a good 1060 gtx 6gb card and MSRP simply doesn't exist)
- Muh async and DX12/Vulkan performance in newest games! (Discards the fact that Vulkan is DOA and exists in 6 titles while DX12 requires a botnet OS)

If everything else fails and you point out that they're full of shit they will either call you a shill/start screeching about normies buying "inferior" Nvidia/Intel products.

>>58598732
>iGPU
>Having future

LEL. AMD simply gets all those scraps where they barely break even on sales. Same applies to consoles.

AMD may be 2nd rate, but 250$ laptops and no complaints with consoles seems to point at AMD being the only good company around.

>>58599808
yea... you know about 75%+ of people who play games on pc use intel igpu, along with amd's apus?

And when not used in games, really is more than anyone really needs unless they got a shit cpu and a new coded is hammering it hard.

>>58599932
I would honestly be shocked if the next nintendo consoles, if they continue with the mobile+home route, is another cellphone cpu apposed to an amd zen apu.

Nvidia was the only option this time around due to them having an already made and ready as of 2+ years ago cpu+gpu combo good enough for gaming.

Hell, if nintendo was smart they would start up a 2-3 year cycle where they support a console for 4-6 years with a more powerful variant every 3 to retain not only backwards compatibility but to keep the games going forward.

>>58599801
to the first point... intel has been on the pentium 3 core for what? over 20 years at the point they will have a new core? and the last 2 core arches they tried to make failed miserably. are we REALLY at the edge of what silicon can do, or did we just assume intel was the grand master and nothing else could be better?

second point, a 480 4gb on newegg right the fuck now is 159.99 with the cheapest 8gb being 200

Because the 1060 cut the die on the 3gb version I wont even consider that as its worse then the 480 by default. The cheapest 1060 6gb is 239.99

Now just for shits and giggles, the HEAVILY gimped 1060 3gb because they cut the fucking die and still have it as the same branded card this fucking piece of shit costs 194.00

so the cheapest 480 compared to the cheapest 1060 is 80$ price difference, the 8gb is a 40$ price difference, and in dx11, it WAS sub 2% worse overall, but a new driver and new optimizations pushed it ahead in dx11, likely wont see benchmarks till vega comes out though or another year passes and hardwarecanucks decides to do another 1060 v 480 round up.

we will see with the apis, as they make VERY good use of hardware, and are used across everything but an xbone who is trailing this gen. we will likely see devs wanting to hit more things with less work so a move toward vulkan is likely, especially if win10 numbers don't get significantly better as you would have to abandon a fairly big chunk of the game playing population to go dx12 only.

>>58581125
In Canada 480 is cheaper than the 1060 and 470 is waay cheaper than the 480

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why isn't there more info on Zen?

doesn't fill me confidence how tight lipped AMD is about it

>>58604157
or price, or anything
and when you point this out /g/ just says
"lol why would they say anything, just wait™"

>>58604923
But...why would you give all the information away and then not launch for another month? That's just a "paper launch" which they have been criticised for before.

Also Intel will lower prices immediately.

I wish amd bought voodoo back in the day. Could you imagine having 3 main competitors in the gpu market.

>>58589524
Cheapest RX 480 is like £190-200. Most expensive is £250. UK prices are horrendous right now.

>>58578314

AMD has been thinking more towards the future then the present. Some of it doesn't pan out, like bulldozer, other times it's a work in progress. That being said by focusing on what may happen vs what is happening, they've been falling behind in the present. We've only just recently seen their thinking pay off in terms of product but even then it's kind of sketchy if they'll produce.

>>58604157
>how tight lipped AMD is about it
that's a good thing

>>58605091
would ATI survive that long alone?

>>58605556
idk, was ATI doing bad back then? I remember them making excellent products that really put the heat on Nvidia. the 8500 back then and then the 9700pro was a great card yet again. while Nvidia was doing terrible performance wise withe their garbage Fx cards

>>58605334
That's what you get for Brexit. I wouldn't be surprised if the pound sterling would be lower than the US Dollar by the end of the year.

>>58605635
Not really. Other things have gone up in price due to higher import costs but nothing like tech. Most companies absorb costs from shifting exchange rates and accept that they make different levels of profit in each region because of varying living standards and wages, etc. Not tech companies though - as soon as the pound falls, prices go up immediately and they just shrug their shoulders in response.

Hell, even fuel has only risen by like 10% since June and most of that has been due to rising oil prices.

>>58605534
Yes, I am glad they are protecting us from having enough information to decide whether to buy new hardware now or wait for their release.
It's great for the customer to know as little as possible outside of marketing buzzwords

>>58605334
honestly that isn't even bad, considering toy have a vat tax, the cheapest ones are actually at msrp minus the vat even the more expensive ones, take out vat and its its still damn near msrp

>>58604157
>>58604923
>>58605850

Its news cycles, they don't talk, everyone's eyes are on them, intel releases kaby lake, everyone is staring at amd not intel.

They know the price, they hinted at it.
They know the releases date, if they were smart they kept leaking bits and pieces for another tech news cycle.

they said Q1 forever, now they told someone 'it won't be end of the month' less than 2 weeks later we got a hard 'before february 27th' date

same with clocks, same with boost, same with price, they drip feed it just enough to get another cycle of coverage.

>>58605007
Intel has never once in their fucking products life dropped prices, I doubt if amd releases the second coming of christ in cpu format they would drop price, if anything raise price and call intel a premium product and get the stupid people, rush a new cpu and lower the price because of 'new an innovative manufacturing breakthroughs' that way to normal people it doesn't look like they have been raped for years.

>>58578314
they always kept on hyping there products and undelivering,

Like they have been hyping Polaris for few years, turns out its low end trash.

Now they have been hyping up Vega, it will turn out trash as well, at best it will be around 1080 performance, but 1 year later...nvidia slashes prices 100$ releases 1080ti and volia, amd continue being trash.

AMDesperate are also hyping up ryzen, but it will also be short. It will probably also be overpriced, since they keep comparing it to premium intel products like 6800k.

>>58583848
Intel and AMD will be neck and neck for a while, but Intel is planning on releasing a major arch redesign in a couple years.

>>58581345
>RX 480 for less than $200
fucking americans and your fucking cheap tech

>>58609730
AMD, Intel, and NVidia are all US founded, so they want to provide for the homeland first. this leads to the best distribution network in the US.

>>58579230
If they somehow got bought by GloFlo they'll probably keep the AMD name. GloFlo has literally no name recognition.

>>58599808
>iGPU
>not having a future
Why wouldn't graphic cards go the way of sound cards and network cards?

>>58610170
discrete gpus will always shit on igpus

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>>58610170
>sound cards
Always an audiophile meme that was sometimes even worse
>Network cards
Because it's integrated on the board and does nearly an identical job in every aspect, unlike an iGPU

>>58610259
no, a lot of the onboard nics will have a lot of the workload handled by the cpu.

>>58590354
They have always bought refurb or damaged lot etc.

>>58612651
Even better, that means cheaper mobos

>>58589756
This is good, craftsmanship will become important again. Tight fast optimized code architected properly.

>>58607401
>I doubt if amd releases the second coming of christ in cpu format they would drop price,
well, AMD 64 was that, and they didn't
you understand x64 was a revolution comparable to first hardware shader?

And intel bribed OEM that day. The year going to be interesting either way.

>>58614547
Thats why I said second coming, I seen those numbers.

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>>58578314

Nothing wrong here at all.

What AMD did wrong you ask?

Good question...I don't rightly know...my system is fine.

Let me put it this way, I have a reasonably priced 8 core cpu for under 100 That runs almost anything at 1080p high to max settings (8320e not even overclcoked...works fine) and a GPU that runs about anything I want to run at 1080p (sapphire rx470 8gb)...and I have room for a few upgrades if I need them.

I suppose I can always add more ram (in only at 8gb 2133mhz and my mobo can handle 32gb) or I can add another rx470 (i have an extra GPU slot I'm not using) or perhaps an sad...but everything I do runs fine.

This setup was pretty cheap and its been reliable and functional. Can do any daily task I demand and play some recent aaa games. At 1080p what exactly am I missing?

So yeah I don't really get the AMD hate. I'm not running 1440p or some other meme resolution and I don't care much about benchmarks if it continues to work fine with no issues or stuttering.

So why should I give one hot shit? I'm not missing out on anything I want so...yeah...the Fuck is everyone else's dilemma?

Btw games I played recently at max settings:
Alien isolation.
Hit man.
Dues ex mankind divided.
The resident evil 7 demo.
Tera mmorpg.
A few other older games...stalker and such.

Everything I want to play works fine. AMD did perfectly right by me as a customer.

>>58615146
Tl;dr
My cheap AMD system works great and was worth the money. It was a reasonable price. Plays almost everything at 1080p.

So why is there a stick up your asses about it?

>>58615146

>1440p is a meme resolution
>Things I can't afford are just memes

This is why you are poor.

>>58615203
Actually I make about 80k a year as a welder.

Simply that 1440p isn't as impressive as it's cost. Its not a value.

And something us people with money know that you poor fucks do not is blowing your money on bullshit is a great way to no longer be well off.

>>58578314
Intel effectively bribing the likes of HP and Dell to only not use AMD chips in the early-mid 2000s. They gave any manufacturer who only used Intel CPUs a big discount. This underhand tactic was most prevalent when Pentuim 4 was being destroyed by Athlon 64 in performance and power consumption.

Then there was AMDs new CEO, who took over in 2002. Things where fine for a couple of years, but mostly because all of AMDs successfull products (like K8) had alread started development. He fucked up AMDs 65nm schedule, putting AMD way behind Intel in the process node race, and leading them to eventually go fabless. He overpaid for ATI, and decided against a merger with nVidia because he wouldn't be CEO of the new company. Pushed out Phenom way to ealry, instead of giving engineers a chance to fix it's cache issues, causing Phenom to be practically DOA. Firing essential engineers to keep the computer a float. There's more I'm sure, but this is probably the worst of it.

Intel's anti comepetiveness held AMD back a lot, but didn't kill them. Hector Ruiz did.

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>>58583792
Not only nvidia supports "AMD's version of async" it's better at it than AMD.

>>58615378
>keep the computer a float
keep the company's afloat*, kek

>>58615043
How much lower do you think it will get? I really want to buy before zen release causes it to skyrocket.

>tfw chickened out of buying $2k in stock when it was ~$1.70 a share

>>58615001
>Hot

Sure sounds like he's making curry thunder...

>>58615404
>axis not labeled

kys