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/wt/ watch thread

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This thread is about the appreciation of watches, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make a fine watch.

>Required viewing for newbies:
https://youtu.be/508-rmdY4jQ

>Strap guide:
http://pastebin.com/SwRysprE

Previous thread:
>>58534513
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>>58565355
What about under $2k?
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>>58566035
Don't fall for the busy dial meme
as long as it's all coherent and theres good contrast between the different elements then it's fine.
Pilot watches are the best watches.
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>>58566074
Also before you faggots start chimping out about the slide rule, it's amazingly useful.
Especially if you're constantly doing unit conversions, just line up the scales and you can convert whatever you want with a glance.
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>>58565597
Question: is the ST19 movement robust? reliable? or is it garbage.

I'm on a pre-order for a chrono with the ST19 (one of Hong Kong Ed's).

Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks
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>>58566074
thank you friend.

Question: is it also a 'nod' to a racing watch? or does Fortis *only* make pilot's watches?
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>>58566137
I owned an alpha with one for a few months before selling it.
The QC is hit or miss. The most common problem is the chrono seconds not resetting properly.
Mine gained around 40s a day, didn't really bother regualating it though, so I have no idea how stable it is.
Honestly? Just avoid.
Mechanical chronographs just arent good below 1k (although hamilton, Tissot and Oris make a few at around 800 I think)
>>58566163
Fortis is heavily invest in aviation pieces, and they have a bunch of contracts with air forces around the globe supplying watches.
The one you posted has a tachymeter which is generally a racing compication though.

>tfw no money for a Sinn 903
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>>58566074
>Don't fall for the busy dial meme
looks like you did
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>>58566213
>All those grammar errors
>>58566222
/wt/ has a hate boner against anything thats more complicated than a dress or diver dial.
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>>58566244
I don't know what /wt/ is, I've been on /b/ since 2003, and have since left to pursue other venues on the chan (the election's fuckery was the last straw).

But I digress. My autism and ocd require me to have rather plain dials. Busy dials overwhelm me, and force me to sperg.
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>>58566335
/wt/ is watch thread, it's in the subject
Why can't you like both?
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I'm the guy who ordered the horsebutt strap recently. Put the watch on it last night.

The quality is superb. Tough but malleable, and it's sporty while being classy at the same time.

May have been better to get a longer one, but it works wraps around my wrist well enough.

I can't recommend the material enough.
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>>58566563
Link to strap?
Also, are those true wire lugs?
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>>58566612

From the Nomos online store.

Someone here said these straps might be coming from Fluco.

The more I read about the strap and compare it to Flucos horsehide products the more I am inclined to agree.

And I'm not sure what you mean by true wire lugs.
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>>58566739
A lot of watches have lugs that look like wire lugs, but theres a spring bar in the middle
A real wire lug will have the whole thing as one piece
I'll have to check out fluco then, cause that's a pretty good looking strap
>>58566137
Found a pic of my alpha
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>>58566797

Not true wire lugs then. It has springbars.
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Has anyone done the TimeZone course?

http://www.timezonewatchschool.com/WatchSchool/
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>>58566833
Ah shame
Expected a little more from nomos
At least it's easier to swap straps I guess

Also cheapstnatostraps perlons are pretty good. The clasps are sturdy despite looking like shit.
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>>58566857
>The Level 1, 2 and 3 courses do not cover sufficient ground to allow you to begin diagnosing problems and repairing broken watches. The courses are intended to give you a good appreciation for basic watchmaking tools and skills, and for simple mechanical watch movements. Please see question 15 below for information about who you may contact if you desire to learn more about watchmaking after completing the TZ Watch School courses.

Waste of time and money
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>>58566865
I still have that bracelet, $50 if you want it.
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Guy who just bought the Sinn556 from yesterday.

Watch is awesome, but the strap could use some work. I got leather as I already had 2 bracelets, but the leather is super stiff. So stiff it pivots on my wrist bone at an odd angle, doesnt truly sit flat. Will it soften enough? Anyone seen a NATO on it, they fit nicely on me.
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>>58566865
nice fucking picture Michael J Fox
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>>58566163
They have dive watches (see pic), racing watches, and recently, dress watches. But yeah, their heritage is primarily in pilot watches, being the official supplier of the Russian space program.
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How do I find the model number for the OEM bracelet that came with my 3-lugged Seiko Kinetic watch similar to pic. Also, how difficult would it be to find a third party replacement leather strap for the watch?

My google searches for the model number (SKA233), and movement/case number (5M62-0AS0), did not result in any useful results.
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>>58567278
All decent leather straps need a break-in period. I'd be more suspicious of ones that come soft (unless it's suede or lambskin or something).
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>>58568094
How old is your watch? Might be out of luck if it had been discontinued for a while. You can always write Seiko to check.
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>>58568106
Ok it's my first leather. How long are we talking here? Do I need to do anything to actively break it in ?
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>>58567278
>but the leather is super stiff. So stiff it pivots on my wrist bone at an odd angle
Don't worry about that. Leather takes a little time to break in, especially the thick ones.
Wrap it around something soft overnight (like a watch pillow) and it'll break in faster.
>>58566969
I got it on a thicc shark mesh, and I'm saving for another sorry. Why don't you just use it? 50 bucks isn't exactly a lot of money to bother with shipping and stuff.
>>58567296
Here's a non shit picture, resized for your ISPs convenience.
>tfw you can resize an entire folder of huge pictures with just one line in bash.
linux is truly the watch autist's OS of choice.
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>>58568120
You're probably right. I've had it for 12 years, and didn't see the same bracelet on any of the current models listed on their website.
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>>58568094
>Also, how difficult would it be to find a third party replacement leather strap for the watch?
You'll probably need to notch it down yourself
If you want a cheap one to practice on get a kelaran strap, they're amazing for the price
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>>58567278

So, to summarize, you bought a Sinn without a regimented case, de-humidified movement, and without a regimented H-link bracelet.

So basically you paid for "Sinn" on the dial of a generic ETA 2824-2 shitter.

Congratulations.
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>>58568273
*Tegimented
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>>58568273
>generic ETA 2824-2 shitter.
Oh fuck off, it's a great casual piece, easily better than any of its swiss competition in the price range.
>>58568033
I love the calculator watch unironically. planning 2cop after a Sin 903 and a speedy pro
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>>58568180
I bought my brother the watch and the bracelet for christmas, he ended up preferring the nato more so I have an extra one.
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>>58568337
Ah gotcha, so you don't have a meme blue of your own?
I still think it's a steal at $300, not sure if you can still use that 40% off code
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>>58568409
No, I bought one for myself too with the bracelet. Guess I'll have to go shitpost on WUS a ton in order to list it there.
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>>58568432
shitpost in good health kek
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>>58568273
Does sinn make a 3-hander (optionally with date) with those things though?
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>>58568575
ya several
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>>58568588
Now if only sinn's website were working right now (unless it's some fuckup on my end).
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>>58568141
A few days or so. Keep them compressed in a mug or cup or something when you're not wearing it, so it'll break in faster.
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>>58568575
I wish they made a tegimented 903
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>>58568312
>Oh fuck off

He is right though.

Sinns technologies are what sets them apart.

What's the point of paying like $3000 for an ETA shit?
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>>58568936
>What's the point of paying like $3000 for an ETA shit?
The 556 isn't anywhere near 3k
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What bracelet would compliment a 16610 style diver without being an oyster or a bond?
Would an engineer II suite?
Also no shitty Chinese mesh suggestions please
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>>58569098
An engineer bracelet would suit fine.
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>>58566516
That Pulsar an ok watch?

Was going to get it for a friend.
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>>58569334
It's great
The bracelet is just like what a vintage date-just would have and the movement isn't overly loud or innacurate
Very worth the 20 bucks I paid for it
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>>58569395
fug shitty pic
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TGV just posted his one year review of the Seiko Giugiaro Aliens. What do you think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD14QbBSGmk

Is this watch as good as he says? I'm feeling tempted to grab one on ebay.
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>>58569408
>>58569395
Looks like I simply can't take a picture
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>>58569482
Fuck off TGV. Hurry up with that Squale Tiger review already.
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>>58569098

>16610 style diver
>shitty Chinese mesh
>probably a shitty chinese watch
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Rate me
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>>58569946
>brown strap
>black face
are you blind?
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>>58570234
>black face
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>>58570276
>>black face
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first for chinese perfection
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>>58570234
Nigga you're the blind one here.
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>>58570316
>Nigga you're the blind one here.
So you're saying it's not black, and it's a color that goes with that brown strap?
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>>58570315
>implying implications
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>>58570353
What's the dial material?
Is it hand engraved?
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>>58570438
It's stamped, not hand engraved if I'm not mistaken. If it were the latter I'd expect it to have an extra 0 on the end of the price.
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>>58570234
Lmaooo it's navy bro..

And I'm a poorfag.. I just got this watch to work case it needed a new battery. The stretchy strap that came with is was broken so I took this strap off another watch. The only one that can fit..

Right now I'm saving up for either a vostok amphibia or invicta 8926

But I'm looking at pic related on eBay and gonna try to snag it for 20 bucks

Thoughts?
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>>58570353
What brand is this?
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>>58570554
Maison Celadon.
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>>58570592
>1000$+ for made in China..

What kind of a meme is this.... Concierge Watches??

I admit the watches are nice. But China can't do this.. If it was like 200 I would get one.
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>>58570755
They're well made watches, lawyeranon and a few others here have one.
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>>58570755

China knows the meme game

you advertize concierge watches to the normies and pretty soon they think you fancy
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>>58566137
Like the other one said QC is totally random. I got lucky with my st1940 than ran within 5s/d and a chrono that worked but plenty of others has theirs jam up and die in a few months. If you can buy used from someone reputable who's had it for a while and says it works that's best
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>>58566137
Also to build on my previous point, just buy a quartz chrono while you save for a nice one
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>>58563614
place vendome, faubourg saint-honoré et les alentours.
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>>58566865
>Expected a little more from nomos
are you retarded, wire lugs mean you literally wouldn't be able to swap straps
using spring bars is l i t e r a l l y the same look, but actually practical. nobody would ever make a watch with solid lugs, apart from shit like autodromo group b which is a super sporty watch
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>>58570755
>place of origin decides quality
are you one of the retards that overpay for """""swiss made""""" watches?
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>>58570943
>wire lugs mean you literally wouldn't be able to swap straps
No it doesn't you moron
You push the lugs in and the swivels out on one side.
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>>58570994
where the fuck have you seen that
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>>58570977
Nope I'm cheap I try to get the most watch for my money.

But are you one of those fags that overpays for "premium" watches that come with fancy packaging and your own personal greeting card?
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>>58571014
There are fixed wire lugs and swivel types
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Guys help me decide if I should buy a stainless steel colored watch or gold colored.. Which one would be easier to wear with everything or different straps?

Pls no bully about the brand

>pic related
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>>58571084
Or pic related
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>>58571050
No. But I buy well made watches, regardless of where they come from.
If you have the chance to see a Maison Celadon watch in the metal, don't pass up on it. You'll realize why they're selling for those prices, which are actually kind of a bargain.
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>>58571068
And what would be the advantage of that over a spring bar?

>>58571084
>>58571091
they're both awful so it doesn't matter
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>>58571084
If you're going to get a dogshit invicta, at least avoid the gold one.
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>>58571084
The closer your skin is to shit, the better gold will look on you.
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>>58571102
Ok gold Rolex or silver bro?

>>58571105
Hmm and I'm guessing the silver one would be easier to do mods on?

>>58571107
It's pale white... So silver color?
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>>58571107
Kek, this
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>>58571107
Spic here, can confirm
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Got this on AliExpress, love it! So dressy.
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>>58571720
It's so easy to read, too!
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Get mooned bitch
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>>58570994
>>58570943
Lmao retards theyre's fixed lugs watch straps with a fold at the end instead of a pushpin hole.
Sidenote it would be cooler if the nomos had actual wire lugs
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>>58569745
It's probably a Steinshit, which isn't far off.
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>>58570234
>strap has to match dial instead of belt and/or shoes.
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>>58571919
No it wouldn't.
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Post your field watches.
On this pic USA, Japan and Russia represented.
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I need a watch with a timer and a silent vibration alarm so I can measure my rest times on the gym. Can you recommend me anything?

As cheap as possible because I'm poor.
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>>58569334
It's a really cheap watch, that's a basic copy of some of the Rolex Datejust features. Seiko takes lower quality and copy watches like this and puts it in the Pulsar brand because it's not good enough for Seiko branding.
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>>58571872
>>58571732
>>58571091
>>58571084
>>58570897
>>58570542
Dogshit thread?

Dogshit thread.
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>>58572524
Nothing wrong with a down-to-earth honest-to-God Seiko, mate.
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>>58566074
What's the model of your digital Casio?
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>>58572436

German -- the Partitio
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>>58568273
My goodness what's gotten into you?
First it's a top grade, better than your average ETA "Shitter", and Sinn finished it very nicely. And yes I did buy a watch without those features because I didn't want to pay for them because I didn't need them.


I don't see what upset you so much about someone else liking something. Maybe you should talk to someone
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>>58568936
>$3000

Lol.
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>>58572568
You mean the two-tone datejust ape?

Not exactly an example of "down-to-earth honest-to-god" anything.

Seiko has done a lot of good things, making a shitty rolex copy isn't one of them.
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>>58572875
It's just an homage, chum :^)

But seriously, it does somewhat differentiate itself, and the most notable deviations from the original Rolex lead the Seiko to be more low key and modest, which is the opposite of what e.g. Invicta does with its homages.
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>>58572926
>two tone
>two tone without even really using real gold components.

>low key and modest

Pretty much a 180 from low key or modest. You don't slap a high contrast gold color on something and try and scream "It's gold guys! Look at it!" when you're trying to be low key. Especially when it's obvious that it's not actually gold. No one would use that much gold on such a cheap watch.

If it does anything to differentiate itself from the rolex, it does so with a more awkward fitting of the end links to the case, undersized crown and slightly undersized hands.

But it's not a current model, clearly. They've moved this sort of thing to Pulsar as a way to protect brand integrity. >>58569334 >>58572485
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>>58572727

I'm not upset, I'm laughing at you blowing $1200 on what amounts to a generic ETA 2824-2 watch on a shitty leather band even after you were repeatedly warned against doing so repeatedly by /wt/ and went ahead and did it anyway.

Enjoy the pangs of buyers remorse when you wistfully look up Sinn bracelet prices, faggot.
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>>58573047
Not him, but you sound super mad right now
Everything ok anon?
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>>58573040
Two tone Is imo pretty mid low key, you chose it because it blends in well with anything or any otjer jewelry. Full gold doesnt. But what do you expect from a guy who owns the ugliest Seiko chrono on the planet...
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>>58573076

Everything is great.

It's just hilarious when people come into these threads and ask for opinions, don't like the opinions they get, ignore them, try asking again, try that another time, then try asking on the /fa/ watch thread and then buy the watch they'd already decided on anyway.
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>>58573117
>Two tone Is imo pretty mid low key
There's no better way to prove to everyone how guady and poor you are than two tone shitters.
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>>58572436
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>>58573194
>There's no better way to prove to everyone how guady and poor you are than two tone shitters.

This.
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>>58572436
>>58573209
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r8 the d8 window
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>>58573719
FUCK it's bot exactly between the indices and that's fucking with me. 0.3/10
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>>58573719
I prefer when the date window is at 3
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So I'm searching the Orient Ray on ebay, and all I got was pic related.

These fuckers are all orange. I want the blue dammit!

they're all over the place.

I think - not sure at all - that this is a special edition of the Ray for Amazon. Apparently everybody and their mother want to resell it, and frankly I'm not tempted.
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>>58574092

You can always tell a shitter by it's steel and machining.
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/wt/, what websites, blogs and youtubers do you follow? Looking for good ones.

My main ressource is /wt/, but I sometimes watch TGV and Archie. Also read Hodinkee from time to time, and am a member of a few FB groups.
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>>58574111
Internals are nothing special, and the finish is the usual for modern watches meh brushing, but the design, dials, etc. are beautiful. Especially the white one.
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>>58574092
I have this one.
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>>58574170
Mech or quartz?
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>>58574126
Simon Crane, Archie Luxury, and J. Anthony for youtube.

TGV is paid to give positive reviews to dogshit + he's a trustfund baby so he doesn't have to feel any pain buying watches (which is an important aspect in reviewing any watch as you have to compare it's worth relative to the actual labor you had to expend just to afford it). I wouldn't ever trust a review by him or any of these other "reviewers" that have a lot of their parents money to play with. That being said he has good production values so you get a nice view of his watches.
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>>58574205
The Urban Gentry is to watch reviews what IGN is to the videogame industry.
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>>58574205
>TGV is paid to give positive reviews to dogshit + he's a trustfund baby

How do you know that?
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>>58573047
No, you sound pretty upset. Is it the fact that I can spend 1200 on things I like without it being a thing to me that bothers you?

Simply curious
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>>58574236
>>58574205
Also the guy is hard cringe. A guinnea RP-ing an European nobleman. A while ago I was looking at affordable knife reviews on YT and of course he had a video of it. He had an Opinel 8, because muh European heritage, muh times in France, but out of all version of course he had the most pretentious one, the one with the built in corkscrew for gentlemanly wine opening.
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>>58574337
He's cringe but his videos go into full detail.

I used to hate him but I just like watching his vids.
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>>58574337
How is that pretentious? Opinels were mainly used to cut cheeses and meats during a picnic. It's a deli tool not a innawoods survival combat knife. Having a wine opener isn't exactly a big leap
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>>58573187
I asked the thread and the response was along the lines of

>"It doesn't come with the technologies they're famous for"

Which doesn't matter for me. It's not like there is a sinn watch which comes with those features at the SAME PRICE, now that would've been a mistake. So no I didn't ignore them , I took it into consideration and realized it doesn't matter to me
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What's the cheapest mechanical moon phase watch I could try to find on eBay?

I don't care if new, used or vintage.
Only condition: not chink shit.
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>>58574447
There's this Orient I think, not too sure
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>there is no good steel digital anymore
>there is no original mechanical that doesn't cost an arm and a leg anymore

I hate the watches in this timeline.
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>>58574515
Left one is sexy, model?
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>>58574337
>out of all version of course he had the most pretentious one, the one with the built in corkscrew for gentlemanly wine opening

You mean the "French version".

The ones without corkscrews are refered to as "Anglo version", because those fucks only drink tea and can't appreciate wine.
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>>58574556
Dunno, but it's a GShock with the resin bezel removed.
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Really diggin this Casio
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>>58574324
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Hi /wt/

>>58566137
So far so good
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>>58573719
Do 3, 6 or 4.5, this is just too awkward
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>>58574071
Don't buy it on ebay then.
That's the old version too, without the improved movement
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>>58574414
>"It doesn't come with the technologies they're famous for"
I believe what you were told is that it doesn't come with the technologies that make a Sinn a decent buy.
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>>58574675
3:42 is the date window of the future
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>>58574701
No, it doesn't come with the technologies that they built their legacy off of. Technologies I don't need nor want to pay for at this time
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>>58574324
Ah yes great argument, I also remember being in grade 7 and liking rage comics
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>>58574126
Hodinkee, worn&wound (but i don't really like them), and the time bum (loves shitty cheap watches).
On youtube, i just follow nomos and lange's official channels. I haven't found a youtuber that i don't hate yet.
All in all the only source i actually like is hodinkee. And even then, some of their writers are sub-par (like the token woman who writes like a high schooler).
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>>58573719
>fucking why?
That looks really shitty. I mean, they could put the date almost anywhere, or at least centered between two indexes.
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Hi /wt/, am I welcome here?
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>>58574907
>
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>>58574907
Really?
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>>58574907
>am I welcome here?
sure. your watch is faggy as fuck, but whatever.
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>>58574715

So instead you $1200 on ~$500 worth of watch. LOL.
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>>58575174
More like $200 worth of watch. It's ETA dogshit m8.
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What strap should I put on this vintage Omega?
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>>58575286
that's not the actual watch in question, is it?
if so: leave it as is. that looks great.
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>>58574587
wow you remove a plastic part from an old g-shok and it looks even more epic?
damit
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Just got my new watches, please rate.
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>>58575508
Doggu
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I currently only have a terrorist watch, and am looking to buy something a bit more nice for when I'm going out, but I also don't have enough income to justify dropping a few hundred on watches.
The timex easy reader caught my eye, opinions? I have skeletor wrists.
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>>58570315
I actually like this watch
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>>58575508
SHITTERS!!!!
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>>58575508
cute
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>>58566797
>Found a pic of my alpha
Is Alpha meant to be some kind of pun on Omega?
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>>58575757
Yeah. They make Omega and Rolex copies.
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Who else /bigboi/ here?

Feels good mane
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>>58574515
>there is no good steel digital anymore
Oh?

Also: German brands seem to be the only ones to do week numbering. A case of Ordnung Muss sein!?
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>>58575757
this is the main reason I will never buy an Alpha or a Steinhart for that matter

couldn't they have picked a less derivative name
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>>58575846
>copies
>>58576017
>couldn't they have picked a less derivative name

I wonder what the watches will look like once the Chinese stop making cheap copies and instead take the route Xiaomi went and make something (more) original.

Copies are just bad and boring. And copying a 50 year old watch design is simply tragic.
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MFW poorfags and shitters..
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>>58576521
TFW I prefer my 80 bux Citizen or 250 bux Seagull 1963
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>>58576521
lol
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Am i welkom?
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>>58576521
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>>58576702
You shouldn't ask this, be more affirmative.

Look at this fucker: >>58576521

He has an overpriced ugly ass watch and he mocks openly /wt/

He has the wrong watch and the right attitude
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>>58574178
Quartz, it uses a modified Ronda 505.24D. Usually the GMT complication is via a wheel but on this it's modified to use a 4th hand instead.
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>>58576521
Nice fake.
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>>58576879
>having "the right attitude" on /g/
>2017
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>>58577201
It's not on /g/ only, it's true in general
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This Strapcode 22mm endmill bracelet is pretty comfy.
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>>58575174
>>58575185
You both sound like the kind of people who's extent of watch knowledge comes from seeing posts on /g/ such as " is ETA a meme" and then repeat the bullshit. Truly deplorable
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What's wrong with ETA??
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>>58575552
?
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>>58577487

Except for the fact that a Steinshit literally has more complicated to manufacture and finish case and dial, a solid metal bracelet with solid end links, and the same ETA 2824-2 Top Grade for the aforementioned $500.

Sure the Steinshit has totally derivative styling, but does that make it sensible to pay $700 more for the Sinn styling and logo?
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>>58577684
Large numerals, should instead be simple hour markers.

Tiny crown, seemingly designed to destroy nails and damage fingers.
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>>58577711
Go ahead and link it then. Is it anti magnetic? Screw down crown? 20 bar? Sapphire?

Plus the styling and name? Yes I don't mind paying it
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What do you think about the Orient Sun and Moon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSMRaUKx0vc

I was prepared to buy a Ray II, but since I viewed the vid I hesitate...

Yeah they are 2 very different watches, I know.
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>>58578173
The ones that use the moonphase apperature, with the curved bottom, are haram. No reason to fake trying to be a moonphase.

The flat bottom ones are better. But I'm still not big on them.
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>>58578225
>The flat bottom ones are better

What do you mean? Not sun and moon watches?
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>>58577711
I'll bite.

>More complicated
They're shapes nigga. And not vastly different ones here either. Discarded.


>Finishing
The finishing on steinharts are average at best. Brushing could be better. Polishing could be worse.
The Sinn is finished to a very high standard overall.

>Solid bracelet and end links
You say this as though it's not standard on every watch costing more than $200. Discarded.

>Movement
Steinhart, in none of their products, use a Top grade 2824-2. Elaboré at best. Most of the time not even modified with a branded rotor unless the watch has a display caseback.

The 556i has a Top Grade 2824-2.

I'll clue you in on something.
The only reason Steinhart don't sell things like their Titanium 500 or OVM for $800, are because the brand isn't established. Right now only communities like this really ever mention them, and that's only because they're excellent value. And they're only excellent value because they're forced to sell them that low to get any sales at all.
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>>58578266
A moonphase aperture generally looks like something on the left of my image.

A day/night indicator generally looks more like the shape on the right.

It is very common for cheap watches to use a day/night indicator, but use a moonphase aperture and actually try and market their watch as a moonphase to fool people who don't know the difference between the two complications.

Also, keep in mind a true day/night indicator is generally set up where "day" is between 6AM and 4PM, and night is between 4PM and 6AM. The orient actually is just using 12AM to noon as the sun, and then noon to midnight as the moon. So really is an AM/PM indicator of sorts.
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>>58579252
er, correction, 6AM to 6PM. Not 4PM. I'm not sure what the hell I was thinking there.
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>>58572875
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>>58574556
dw-1100
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>>58579166
>Not understanding that more complex shapes and alternating finishes take more machining time than an all brushed finish

Discarded.

>Not understanding the added machining and assembly time for the rotating bezel.

Discarded.

>Finishing
The finishing on an all brushed Sinn is average at best. Brushing could be better. No polishing to speak of. The Steinshit is finished to a very high standard overall.

Wholly unsupported assertions are FUN!

>You say this as tough it's not standard on every watch costing more than $200

Except that $1200 Sinn, apparently. Discarded.

>Movement

Alas, you are correct. I was confusing the Ocean One with the Ocean Titanium 500 which has the much superior ETA 2892-A2 Top for less than $650.

>Excellent value

Unlike the Sinn. Discarded.
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I want a dive watch for cheap. Can anyone recommend something with these for around $200?

>timing bezel
>good lume
>waterproof at least 200m
>mid sized around 40mm ish
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>>58579810
skx007
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This watch is so beautiful

>inb4 parvenu
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>>58579704
but the real question is can u name a steinhart with a similar versatile and original design that is under 40mm

also u can get a standard 556 with bracelet for less than $1200 (and the bracelet is better than steinhart's)
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>>58579810
orient ray or mako. remember to get the new version
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>>58580113
fucking gold sub fuckahss!!
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Guys,

If you have a picture of your watch being worn from a straight on angle, please feel free to post it along with your wrist size, diameter of the watch and lug-to-lug of the watch. Because it comes up so frequently I'll try and compile a small collection of images of wrist-size and lug-to-lug length combinations that can be used for reference, rather than simply telling people that they should be looking at smaller watches.

If you're not sure how to measure your wrist, you can take a flexible tape measure, or just use a piece of string and wrap it around your wrist, then measure the length of the string required to circle your wrist.

Wrist size should be in inches, lug-to-lug and diameter should be in mm.

Thanks.
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>>58581318
Example image of a straight on photo with measurements recorded.

I'll look to compile these images into some sort of easily browsed format or master images.
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>>58581347
"wristies" always make the watch look bigger
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>>58581347

>Holocaust survivor
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>>58574648
really like that. I'm on the list for the new EMG DL63. pretty stoked. those 1963's are very nice.
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>>58579529
do like.
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>>58581347

Never realized the 176.0012 Speedmaster had the same lug-to-lug as diameter.
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>>58581807
You measured it yourself?

chronomaddox lists it at 45 by 42
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>>58581902

Yes. I'll double check shortly just to be sure.
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>>58581807
Did you measure to the edge of the case or to where the springbars are?
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>>58581943

Derp. That's probably the error. I just assumed the measurement was outside of springbar to outside of springbar.
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>>58581902
>>58581943
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Anyone know offhand what watch this is? Knowing hamster's taste I'm guessing it's a breitling.
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>>58582531
Looks like a Breitling Avenger.
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>>58582582
Looks like you're right m8. The angled bracelet links look nice, too bad they're on a gaudy breitling.
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>>58572436
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>>58572436
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>>58582650
my latest field watch from SeiyaJapan
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>>58582687
post measurements >>58581318
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Best gray market for grand seiko?
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>>58572436
I think that Seiko qualifies as a flieger rather than a field watch.
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>>58582863
Yeah, the snk809 is basically a b-uhr. snkn33 is one of my favorite cheap field watches.
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>>58582795

Rakuten JP is quite safe.
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>>58582743
Lug to lug is 46mm.

Wrist is around 6 3/8"
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Any one else sneering at watches costing >$3000?

I'm a recent convert to sub-$2000 watches, particularly German ones following the Bauhaus style: Junghans, Junkers, Stowa, and, to some degree, Nomos. I just don't see the value of watches costing >$3000 and think they're horrendously overpriced. Good design doesn't have to cost a lot. No to precious metals too. I want a watch, not jewelry. Steel is great and durable than most of them.
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>>58583905
Bauhaus is not German, it's Judaic. That's why Hitler rightfully banned it.

Just purely aesthetically it's fucking garbage and it makes you look like a faggot.
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I'm searching for a watch with a power reserve but no date function, could anyone help?
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>>58583905
>I want a watch, not jewelry.
Why aren't you wearing a casio f91w then?
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>>58583986
Grand Seiko 8 days
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>>58583990
Seiko and Casio have shit aesthetics.

>>58583927
Don't really care if it's Jewish. I care about movement quality too obviously and there's no problem with watches at this price range either.
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>>58583905
>Some faggot looking for validation

Oh yes. Your shitters are wonderful. Really nice buys.
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>>58583986
I think I have seen some orient star models without the date.
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>>58579810
Can you get a Christopher Ward Trident for that? There's a sale on at the moment and they do a 38mm version.

>timing bezel
>decent lume
>Either 300m or 600m WR
>and <40mm
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>>58580113
>gold
>maxi case
Nah m8.
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>>58581318
Diameter - 36mm
Lug to lug - 40mm
Wrist - approx 7.5"
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>>58577385
that looks sweet bruh
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>>58574205

TGV isn't bad, he does into extreme detail which is helpful and recently has been pretty critical of watches that have been disappointing(sarx041 being too big)

>trustfund babby

Yeah well life isn't fair. If I can leave my kids a bunch of shit you bet I will.

>>58574337

>guinea

Okay Owen, calm down your potato and beer will be here soon.

Archie is king however.
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>>58584022
You have problems with those brands? I just like sub-$2000 watches. I think they're better value.
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>>58579810

skx
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Does anyone know anything about the "BREAK" brand?
They're cheap and malaysian but they look really nice.
https://break.aliexpress.com/store/2394102

>inb4 they will BREAK.
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>>58585044
>You have problems with those brands?
Yeah they're dogshit.
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>>58585094
How? What brands do you like?
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>>58585107
>How? What brands do you like?

Rolex, Tudor, JLC, Patek Philippe, Grand Seiko, Breitling, Oris (sort of), Zenith, Blancpain, Vacheron Constantin, Omega (MOTM only), and a few others.

I believe that you should save up and get one (or a few) really, really nice pieces instead of wasting your money on garbage. Same view on collecting most things honestly, including firearms and cars.

I don't understand people that make large collections of garbage.
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>>58585247
>Rolex, Tudor, JLC, Patek Philippe, Grand Seiko, Breitling, Oris (sort of), Zenith, Blancpain, Vacheron Constantin, Omega (MOTM only), and a few others.

Dude, we aren't lawyeranon, come back to reality. The vast majority of us would not be able to afford more than one of those, if any.
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>>58585247
Really overpriced. I honestly don't see the appeal of a Seamaster. I think most people buy it for the name prestige. Take away the name and I doubt that watch sells for even half the price.
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>>58585365
>Take away the name and I doubt that watch sells for even half the price.
poorfag detected
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>>58581318

8 inch wrist.
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>>58585411
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I really want to like H Moser and Cie because their CEO is funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXCUZYt8S5c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4ejDOxMSKc

But goddamn their watches are ugly. The movement seems great but the case is thick all around, the dial is gaudy, and their Coca Cola logo is just disgusting (well, it could work on a classical piece but that's not what most of their watches are).
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>>58585326
>Dude, we aren't lawyeranon, come back to reality. The vast majority of us would not be able to afford more than one of those, if any.

What's wrong with only owning one of those?

That's what I'm saying, I find it better to get one really fucking awesome piece than it is to buy cheaper, lower quality stuff.

Even if you're a poorfag (which I am), you can get a nice, used Rolex for a few grand which is attainable by saving up for a year or two if you learn to save up some spare money in a dedicated fund. Honestly with how I see most young people spending their money, they could afford their grail in a couple years by doing literally nothing than by stopping purchasing horrendously expensive coffee, alcohol, etc.
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my autismo readings
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>>58585604
>used
>it's full of sweat and grime

Wow. Sure is appealing anon
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>>58585626

You can clean them anon. They're waterproof.
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>>58585604
You're operating on the notion that price = quality. Luxury goods are always overpriced. A good reason for that is the label. Pateks are overpriced because Patek controls the supply of their watches carefully, making sure demand always outstrips supply.

Cheaper watches like Seiko, Nomos, Junghans, Stowa etc. have very good quality too. Japan and Germany are famous for that. The difference are less complicated or outhouse movements and steel instead of precious metals but the aesthetics, well that's pretty subjective.
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>>58585247
calm down archieluxury wannabe, let people collect what they want to collect, that also goes to the retard that sneers at people spending over 3k. I enjoy my 100 dollar sea-gull as much as I do my 5k Rolex.
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>>58585687
>You're operating on the notion that price = quality.

Not really, at least in the sense that if it's expensive that it's therefore good. I left IWC, Cartier, Hublot, and a whole lot of other expensive brands out of the things I like because I don't particularly care for them regardless of price.

If you're after a watch as mostly a fashion statement or just a daily beater timekeeper, then yes you can get beautiful watches with exquisite cases for relatively cheap. Oris, mid-tier Seikos, Orient, etc. are good examples of that.

However as someone who's into horology the case and finishing details are the secondary concern, I'm primarily interested in the quality of their movements. And it's a sad fact of modern day watchmaking where they cut costs severely that it's pretty hard to get truly valuable horological pieces for anything under $3000 unless you want to be limited to Seiko.
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>>58585619
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So I want to get a case to keep my watches, is my only option online or is there certain places that sell them in person. I have yet to see a place that has them, recommendations welcomed also.
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>>58585869
Just store them in your medicine cabinet. Protect them from thieves.
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>>58585973

>implying thieves won't check the medicine cabinet
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>>58585988
>>implying thieves won't check the medicine cabinet

Good point. Maybe a decoy cereal box?
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>>58585743
is that a pilot vanishing point?
Cool combo friendo
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>>58585547
I think they have some great watches (endeavour) but the company is absolutely awful. Their marketing shit is super cringy and not what a luxury brand should do.
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>>58586164

Yeah, with the steel alloy nib. Didn't feel like dropping twice the amount on a gold nib and it works great. Also have a Custom 74 that I hate and a couple metropolitans that are great.
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I'm going to Iceland in a month. I'm expecting a bit of snow and low (but not extreme) temperatures.
Is there any reason I shouldn't wear a mechanical watch there?
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>>58574556
As per brief research, this should be Casio DW-1100 from 1980's. Nothing new or on ebaz available. Problably very hard to get.
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>>58586288

Are you going to be spending your entire time outside in the snow?
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Just seen one of these come up for sale in an estate auction, the prices on these bulova watches tend to vary a bit but assuming its working what would a decent price for one be?
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>>58586313
No, but maybe a few hours at a time.
I wouldn't expect anything to actually damage a watch, but what I'm wondering is if the timekeeping will be affected by the cold.
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Hello my friendos,

i'm looking around for a new watch, but the only thing that caught my eye are two chink watches, which are 90% identical. Have you seen any normal watch with similar design ?
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>>58586344
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>>58575552
Anyone else got opinions or suggestions?
>>58577739
The numerals is what I like about it.
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>>58586418
Those are fucking hideous tbqh.
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>>58586564
TICK
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Meh
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>>58585030

Those things on the sides of his forehead.

Why doesnt he just get them surgically removed.
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>>58585247
>Omega (MOTM only)
You are bought and sold hook line and sinker from online commentary.

Do you even own anything from those brands?
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Good evening
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>>58585314
Not really a fan, all black is better

>>58585697
Nice collection
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>>58586629
>You are bought and sold hook line and sinker from online commentary.

I listen to the Pontiff.

>Do you even own anything from those brands?

I have a Rolex Explorer II
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>>58586649
Hi
Cool watch anon
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>>58586629

The 1861 caliber is one of the most reliable movements of all time.
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>>58565597

Help me out

I need a watch to dress well that is elegant / simple and nice.

I'm in my 20's so no oldfag shit, it wouldnt suit me.

I'd prefer something with long batteries or solar, with signal reception like Casios or minimal loss of time.

Analog or digital, but if digital it has to be very clean and sylish.

I also dislike metal straps, for some reason I've always felt like a faggot wearing a full metal strap on my watch

I normally wear a casio 5610, which is not adequate with long coat and shoes
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>>58586762
Thanks. Just had the strap switched, the older one now on my snk807
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>>58586814

Daniel Wellington fits you to a tee!
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>>58586814

>>58575990
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>>58586845
>>58586831

Thanks, I'll keep lurking for more suggestions

The wellington looks a bit gay to me, I think it has to do with how thin the lines are and how big it is.

I'm a wristlet btw
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I used to hate this but its really grown on me, anyone else had this with other watches?
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>>58586900

Have you looked up various Timex watches on Amazon?

Probably my favorite favorite of quartz watches and they have some that work in a suit.
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>>58586900
just buy the 10$ version from ali express they're literally identical

DW is a scam

>>58586901
I don't like stowa because they're a meme brand supported by autist forums. they literally cost around 300$ when they started before they got internet fame
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>>58586948

I kinda like this one, but its for women.

I'm a wristlet though, is this acceptable?
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>>58586901
Yes, a few times but I can't remember which ones. I think the 090 Amphibia was one.
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>>58586992

Yes, that is fine. That's probably listed as a woman's watch based on it's size, although the trend has been to wear wall clocks around your wrist nowadays so often your just buying a watch that used to be considered a regular men's size.

I'd wear it no problem.
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>>58585727
There's a lot more than Seiko. All the brands here >>58583905 are fantastic and very affordable. And the philosophy is much truer to the essence of horology: telling the time. "Haute" horology is about tacking on a lot of unnecessary excess ornamentation and use of expensive materials to inflate the price. I personally think simple pieces are the most beautiful.
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>>58586992
>26 mm
that is too small

the T29321 is 36 mm
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>>58586574
tgqh that seiko too


, anything simple and black on black without chrono shit and unneeded buttons on it ?
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Well.

As far as drunken purchases go this one isn't too bad, guess it could be considered a poor mans Omega dynamic.

Still waiting on the Turtle and super jubilee though.
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>>58583905
>I want a watch, not jewelry.

>>58584007
>Seiko and Casio have shit aesthetics.

Fuck right off you pretentious faggot. You very much want JEWlery, otherwise you wouldn't be whoring for Bauhaus aesthetics without any comprehension of the quality difference between complete fucking hot steaming garbage shitters like Junkers and Stowa to Nomos.

Fuck off back to /r/watches or /fa/ you inveterate pleb.
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>>58585094
>Nomos
>Dogshit

Easy there Archie.

Stowa and Junkers are complete SHITTERS, Junghans mostly is aside from the Max Bill line, but Nomos most certainly are not dogshit.
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>>58587363
What the hell are you talking about? Stowa and Junkers make good, reasonably priced watches. Seikos look like crap.
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>>58587389

Stowa and Junkers import a bunch of Chinese parts, slap off the shelf ETA movements in them, and then sell them at an absurd markup to complete know nothings like you.

Seiko is true manufacture in the horological sense, while your dogshit brands are just assembling an assortment of imported parts and investing in shilling on blogs and online watch forums.

Incidentally, your complete inability to recognize the difference between quality and aesthetics and is precisely what marks you out as a total fucking pleb.
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>>58587122
>>58587386

I would concede that Nomos makes good movements (at least from what I hear) but holy shit do I hate Bauhaus with every fiber of my being.
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>>58587316
>drunken purchase
Still not as bad as impulse buying a customers broken watch when they don't want to spend on repairing it.

Pic related, the quartz is definitely salvageable, the Komandirskie maybe.
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>>58587480
Junkers belongs to the same company that makes Zeppelins (they even share the same website). From the Zeppelins I handled they do seem a bit overpriced (not as bad as swiss-shit though) but build quality is acceptable, with no major dealbreakers.
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>>58585727
>And it's a sad fact of modern day watchmaking where they cut costs severely that it's pretty hard to get truly valuable horological pieces for anything under $3000 unless you want to be limited to Seiko.

Well, below $3000 for new watches you are probably limited to Nomos, one microbrand with a Miyota 9015 (it's technical specs and inherent accuracy are quite good), and German ETA 2892-A2 or Soporod A10 powered tool watches.

Fortunately, with vintage watches there is almost no limit to the variety of horologically impressive pieces you can get for reasonable amounts of money so long as you invest the research.
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>>58587551

Oh, agreed. I don't care for their aesthetics at all, but they are a manufacture and deserve respect as such.
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>>58587480
Not sure if they use Chinese parts but nothing wrong with off the shelf ETA movements. Seiko is fully in-house, yes but their aesthetics is crap. Junkers and Stowa make perfectly acceptable quality watches with good aesthetics that I'd take over a Seiko anyday.
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>>58587556
>the Komandirskie maybe.
As long as the dial feet aren't broken you should be fine.
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>>58587645
>Fortunately, with vintage watches there is almost no limit to the variety of horologically impressive pieces you can get for reasonable amounts of money so long as you invest the research.

Precisely. Hell you can get truly extraordinary pocket watches, marine chronometers, clocks, and off-brand vintage wristwatches for chump change.
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>>58587810
No. But the minute wheel post on the mainplate is. I'll drill it out and punch a steel 0.5mm drill bit it. Something that hard will probably never wear out.
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>>58587990
Worth giving it a go assuming the bit does hold in place and doesn't wear create more wear, otherwise the mainplate is a bust.

Though you could also find an old Dirskie for 15$ in the worst case scenario.
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>>58587386
Memeos is dogshit

they're a sub $500 watch punching $2000 because watch bloggers kept wanking their "bauhaus this bauhaus that" design. if you handled one irl they feel cheap and flimsy. same with junghans and etc.
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>>58588122
Well that's not true. Seriously, for all the angst in your post, it just seems like you have a pathological hatred for a particular style than legitimate criticisms about the horological quality.
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>>58588202
Not him but if they feel "cheap and flimsy" that's a legitimate complaint.
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>>58588113
I have four Soviet (the good stuff) Vostok 2414 movements as parts, probably all have good mainplates. Repairing the original mainplate just seems like the horologists (i.e. maximum autism) way to do it.
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Yay or nay? $45 and the movement has a sweeping hand for the chrono.
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>>58586814
Casio oceanus ocw-s100 is great, but comes on a metal bracelet. You may be able to swap it to a leather band.
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>>58588268
Yes but that's not true. Those watches have good build quality.
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>>58588300
Well it's not terminal but the divots in the bezel region are kind of odd.
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>>58588274
Good for you then, though it's sure as hell much more satisfying fixing it yourself.

>four Soviet (the good stuff)
They are usually better quality ones, but transitional pieces and newer post bankruptcy movements are also great.
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>>58587733
>Nothing wrong with
>Acceptable quality

LOL what a rousing defense of the complete fucking dogshit SHITTERS you like. And that you pay Stowa and JUNKers prices for this garbage is the funniest part.
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>>58588122
>Dogshit

Stop using a word if you don't know what it means. You might not LIKE Nomos, and you might think they are overrated, but a Manufacture in the horological sense cannot be "dogshit" by definition unless they are China levels do not giving a fuck about QC.
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>>58586901
>anyone else had this with other watches?
Royal Oak. I hated it, now I dream of having one.
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>>58588300
Seiko 7T62 movement? If so then it might not be bad.
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>>58588453
??? What's wrong with saying acceptable build quality? And again, you're mad as shit.
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>>58583905
>I want a watch, not jewelry
>>58584007
>muh aesthetics
This faggot doesn't even know what he wants.
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>>58588444
This is pre-bankruptcy, probably mid 2000's. Better dial, with a sunburst patter, but the material for the brass is probably shittier since the minute wheel post wore out, and I found another post that was already replaced by someone else.
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>>58587316
That looks pretty good. I'm assuming it's plated?
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>>58588122

My Junghans doesn't feel cheap, nor does it look it.

However, I wouldn't recommend anyone pay full MSRP for it.

It's definitely about an $800-$1000 watch.
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>>58588580
>>58588580

>>58588580
>>58588580
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>>58588516
How's that contradictory? You can want a nice looking watch that's built as a time keeping instrument than jewelry.
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>>58588571
Yup, 15AU (15 micron) plating.

Sellers pictures are a better as i didn't have proper lighting while taking the picture.

2414A movement is working fine and winds nicely.

>>58588539
Go figure, i've won the lottery so far with all the 3 Vostok movements i've had here.

Also got the new 120 case for my Amphibia, and i'm quite liking it so far.
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>>58588614
Does the chrono version wear thick? I've been split with getting it or the thinner automatic.
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>>58588512

LOL oh yes I am so angry at mocking how much of a complete pleb you are trying to defend complete fucking dogshit Chinese "made in Germany" shitters.

Literally >>>/plebbit/ and wear your dogshit in good health :^)
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>>58588391
Actually i checked and it's non-standard, you'd have to notch a strap (which is not very hard).
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>>58588503
>bought the manufacture meme

lol Seiko and Orient has "manufacture" it doesn't really mean anything
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