Comp sci student here.What should I pursue between Mobile(iOs

html, css and a bit java

>>58545746
Pretty much this. You could try to learn a thing or two about Javascript too.

>>58545746

But im not a liberal female

>>58545746
>HTML/CSS
>computer science
Web design isn't a bad career field, but if that's what he wants to do he shouldn't be wasting his time with learning programming, computer architecture, and a shitload of mathematics.

>study CS
>pursue a future in webdev and mobile development

This is why CS is a meme.

>>58546094

OP here

Im not 'murrican, here CS is not theory or web design, its programming from assembly to high level plus computer architecture and high level math.

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People actually study something that has "science" in the name only to churn out shitty mobile applications afterwards?

Isn't it like studying biology to become a gardener?

>>58546840

read >>58546810
outside USA CS means other thing.

>>58546840
>It has "science" in the name so it must be a science!
Haha, you're cute kiddo.

>>58545722
>studying computer science unironically

>>58545722
job availability:
nil to none for a new guy. everybody and their mothers studied cs.

salary:
nil to none.
there are thousands more prospective employees, all with more experience than you, all with more interesting and relevant portfolios than you, and they are all willing to work for less than you are.

basically, you're fucked. you should have gone into network security.

>>58545886
Irrelevant. Those, plus JavaScript, are the primary tools of web dev.

If you don't want to be a "liberal female", then choose a different field

>>58547929
Honestly, why do people like you bother posting garbage like this?

>>58548215
because you're a fucking idiot and you're going to be making a shit salary, constantly working unpaid overtime doing shit work that you're not going to enjoy.

you fucked up your life.

>>58545722
Go for something you can only do if you have a masters on the subject
Do it quickly before the indians get it too

>>58548280
You're not responding to OP btw. I make $68k a year in Houston, TX (low CoL) and I NEVER work over time.

The work is pretty boring, can't disagree with you there, but there are more opportunities that open with every year of experience. There are dozens of programming jobs that get posted everyday in Houston alone.

I never understand why people bitch about no jobs

>>58548425
>I live in this c-list american city that is nothing but tech startups and I'm just littered with jobs!
>God why does everybody bitch about nojobs? fucking idiots all of them!

>>58545722
None of those.

>>58548554
If by tech startups you mean huge oil and gas industry in addition to medical industry, I guess.

Regardless, it's not difficult to move. I did it. This is my first year living in Houston. The distance may differ for each person, but you aren't locked to some shit city with no opportunities. I'm sure you'll come up with some excuse though

>>58548652
why would i ever want to live in a major american city that's as culturally dead as houston? especially to work a shitty job that i didn't get a degree for and i have zero interest in doing?

>>58548735

>why would i ever want to live in a major american city that's as culturally dead as houston?

stfu you don't leave your house, why would it matter if a city is 'cultured' or not

>>58548735
>>58548652
forgot to add, no I don't lack opportunities because im not a dipshit who chose the basic bitch degree relating to computers.

>>58548735
I'm not trying to convince you to do that at all. I didn't say anyone should move to Houston.

The fact that you thought it was mostly a tech startup city tells me you know nothing about the city or the culture. You just sound like a butthurt, pathetic person using anonymity to spew rage. Sorry your life sucks, but there are plenty of us CS grads doing well

>>58548746
So you failed out of CS and came to this board to rage at people who are making it LOL

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>>58548745
>stfu you don't leave your house
maybe if i was an autist who got a computer science degree

it might be hard for you to grasp, but not all /g/entoomen are clamshell spergs who don't socialize

i'd go crazy if i didn't have warehouse shows and artsy qts around me

>>58548807
how do you fail out of cs?

if you even struggled in your degree, i lmao at your life

>>58545722
Drop out and do a coding bootcamp. You'll end up in the same job for a fraction of the cost and time.

Just fucking lol at anyone spending fortunes on a degree in CS with the intention of working in Web Dev/mobile apps

6-12 months full time self-study, depending on your ability, and you can be job ready

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>>58548807
>$68k salary
>In a major city
>making it

>>58548917
Houston cost of living is not nearly what other major cities in the US are.

Plus I technically live in a city just outside of Houston limits, so even cheaper. My commute is 20 minutes, but I don't really mind it

>>58548967
Yeah I live in Detroit, we're way cheaper than you and no $68k is still not "making" it at all. I make $70k doing infosec, pay ~$440 for rent for a 2k sqft apartment and I don't consider myself making it at all.

Sub 6 figures is embarrassing, but not much you can do in this oversaturated workforce.

That's fair if your definition is different. You do have a state and city tax to pay though, so $70k is less than $68k here.

This is my first year out of college and I'm on pace to save $30k this year, so I consider myself doing well

>>58546840
Cs is more of a branch of mathematics

>>58549178
Dude shut the fuck up

>>58549049
>I live in Detroit
I'm sorry

>>58549414
why would you be? the only other city i'd ever want to live in is Nice.

>>58549359
You're just an absolutely miserable person huh?

>>58549456
not me btw

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>>58549049
>>58548967
>>58548917
>>58548807
Hey /g/, I just want all you guys to know that I love everyone here and I want the best for everyone. Why are we shaming each other's salaries? It could be worse, and most of you are still in your 20s with a long life ahead and a career that is just in the foundation stages.

Just keep on keeping on /g/.

>>58549456
You're just a know nothing twat talking like you know something. You are a year out of college acting like you can give advice on adult life in the it profession. Go hang from a tree nigger

>>58545722
is this really the pathetic choices CS gives you?

>>58549471
I'm not sure who is who anymore. I assume Detroit guy isn't the person raging about CS at the start.

I'm not the one shittalking Detroit. I've heard bad things, but have never been to that part of the US myself

>>58549515
>cs
>it
you dumbass, there is a world of difference

it is for the failures with double digit iqs who were too retarded to cut it for computer science

t. anon who's telling the other anons computer science is a meme degree

>>58549515
Everything I've stated is a fact. I can start posting job listings, cost of living numbers, etc. You being upset and having a shitty life doesn't change anything.

>>58549525
>Implying you have to do any of these things
You can literally go into whatever the fuck field you like.
I did 0 app development modules at uni. I had never used a fucking iPhone before. I didn't know swift.
I started off and got paid to fucking learn. It's now a couple of months later and I'm essentially the lead iOS developer.

University isn't a meme. (As long as you're not sub 100 IQ)

>>58549564
Oh fuck lol i meant to reply to this guy
>>58549178
not you.
Just noticed my mistake. Really pissed me off when some entitled child acted like you had to make 100 grand to get by.

>>58549534
detroit anon here, yeah im the one telling op he's retarded for getting a cs degree (mostly because he wants it for mobile dev, instead of an actually decent pursuit like picking up the COBOL braindrain)

but these aren't me:
>>58549359
>>58549515

detroit has a reputation but it's changed a lot in the past 7 years. its no longer a warzone, especially the actual city, but its in an identity crisis.

half of the city is like a weird mishmash of portland, montreal and sanfran and the other half is disgruntled baby boomers waiting for the auto industry to come back and "save" the city (which is never going to happen blue collar detroit is fucking dead)

>>58548735
>implying American culture is even a thing
This place is a shithole void of culture outside of trying to be black so no one picks a fight with you. The culture is to be a nigger.

>>58549612
There's a world of difference between "making it" and "getting by". $60k is not even close to "making it" and you're fucking retarded if you think there's an ounce of entitlement in that. You just have a fundamental lack of understanding of a corporate environment.

>>58549663
>>>/pol/
>>>/int/
>>>/r/european

Why do all entry jobs require 5 years experience, 7 languages, and 4 Frameworks??

$10-15/hr
Wow I can't wait to move across the country for entry level helpdesk pay.

>>58549669
>how you doin
>im making
>how you doin
>im getting by
>world of difference
Dude shut the fuck up

>>58549739
is this what autism looks like?

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>>58549686
>maybe if I meme hard enough he won't be right

>>58549612
I'm Houston guy, which is both of those. Not < $100k is embarrassing guy. I wish they brought back IDs for each unique poster in a thread.

This whole thread is pretty awful now. We all clearly have different definitions of successful and there seems to be a large difference between American/not American definitions of CS degrees.

Where I live, there are plenty of CS/web dev/IT/embedded jobs that pay well (I make $68k w/ many $100k+) with affordable living (my house is 3k sq ft @300k). Take that as you want, as that is my situation, but I'm done arguing.

>>58549774
the fact that you think you didn't just spew a crap load of memes and think it resembles reality.. I'm not even sure if I want to cringe or if I should just pity you.

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>>58549769
No autism is thinking you have to make 100k in fucking detroit to be making it.

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I'll finish my CS degree in February. I have no work experience in CS, I've only worked summer jobs. I know C++, a little bit of front end and a little bit of Android and Java. I'm not counting stuff like Bash, Perl or Matlab, which I had in my classes, because I'm not using them frequently or haven't been using them in a few months.

What should I focus on in order to get good job with perspectives to earn decent amount of money?

I live in Poland if that helps.

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>>58549815
This whole thread

>>58549823
sure, sure. whatever supports your delusions, sperg

>>58549831
invest in eastern poland

>>58549848
Ok poorfag i make over 10 more than you enjoy your shit life just getting buy in detroit

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>>58549831
By the way, I'm very sad when I'm reading that you're earning like 80k yearly, when my friends right after graduating are earning about 9k yearly.
What's the point of living in Eastern Europe and not leaving to Switzerland, Belgium or USA a.k.a. The Best Country in the World?

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>>58549884
kek imagine being this mad

>>58549867
I have nothing to invest. Except my time of course, but I would like to move out from my parents as soon as possible.

>>58549902
Please continue rambling on with incoherent points about how you are makin it making under 6 figures in detroit.

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>>58549898
>what's the point
there is none. you are now aware why Eastern Europe isn't a very popular place with Westerners.

>>58549693
Whoa man where do you live that even helpdesk is that low? I'm in Southern California and it's $21-24/hr.

To add to the thread, I don't have a B.S., I'm going through shit tier I IT work, and make $22/hr, and I'm studying for certs for MTA/MCSA/MCSE, while I learn Tier II stuff at work.

>>58549937
SoCal in incredibly exspensive and this requires higher wages than the rest of the country

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why is the concentration of lolcows so high on /g/?

>>58549931
So basically if I want to have good life, money to start a family with my gf, decent work, some schmackos for my doggo I have to abandon my friends here, move to Western Europe or Northern America and find work there?
Why can't my country be as good as those I spoke about?

I don't want to leave my friends, I really love them.

>>58549989
Yes but go to western yurop because we are full here in the usa

>>58549937

This guy
>>58549955
Speaks the truth. Most of the country starts that low for help desk. My first help desk job was $10/hr.

I just fucking hated doing it. Being the guy that maintains the stuff that allows the company to do work and gets shit on by every person in the company, while only making more than a fraction of the company.

>>58549989
kinda.

i mean if you get creative you might find a way to make it work.

my advice? move south to Austria. you're prolly gonna make a shitload more comparatively (enough to own a car on top of what you want), and you're close enough to drive and visit your buds in the homeland for the weekend or whatever.

>>58549955
You're telling me man, I used to live in SF/Bay Area. At least down here for $1000 I won't live in a 200sq/ft closet.

There are still a ton of $15/hr entry helpdesk jobs around here too which is also just devastating to think about.

>>58550068
thank the chinese for driving up property artificially

they did the same thing to vancouver and are starting to do the same thing to detroit's suburbs.

>>58550035
You sound pretty hostile, mate. You think there are no people in Western Europe who don't like those who want to migrate?

I'll probably move to Switzerland, because my gf's family lives there, but I think like the idea of Eastern European coming to your country isn't pleasant for you.

>>58550068
Thats why i like living in jacksonville. $850 for a nice 770 sq ft apartment in the city. Also jacksonville voted red in the electiob and isnt full of retarded libcunts and faggots like san fran. I honestly would never move to california. San diego os nice to visit though, i didnt like san fran much. Ita cold there in the summer.

>>58550088
Americans are pretty sick of immigration. We get tired of competing with the entire world for a living wage.

>>58550061
I know German, what could make moving easier, but I guess I have to get some experience here first.

Still I have to figure out if I should look for Android dev job, front end or maybe something entirely different.
I'm really open to anything. I could do anything in IT, because I do interesting things after work.

I just want a quiet life.

>>58550088
he's memeing because eastern europeans are notorious for immigrating and making already saturated markets even worse.

slavs have yet to realize they can do the same to america so we're trying to keep this shit on lock.

>>58550128
it doesnt help that we dont subsidize education with our taxes so you have EU nerds coming here with very little debt while our own home grown graduates are scrambling for anything so they can pay their loans before they default.

>>58550128
I find it funny, when you're talking about competing for a living wage.

A lot of people here in IT earn about 25 dollars per hour and GTX 1080 costs about 700 dollars.
Here people earn about 25 złoty, which is slightly above 6 dollars, and GTX 1080 costs about 900 dollars.

Living in US is like playing on easy.

>>58550176
Dude shut the fuck up
I need a house got a gtx 1080ti

>>58550132
thats respectable

dont move to detroit tho. this is a "cool" city and thus is anything but quiet.

fun as fuck if you're into parties and art and drugs and like to mix all 3

austria sounds like your best bet my dude.

>>58550176
no living in the US is like choose Wizard

you start out weak as shit and completely useless. if you get sick or injured you're basically fucked. you rack up an insane amount of student loans for your degrees and you have to fight in what is basically a giant mosh pit to get even the most basic job.

a majority of the population fails somewhere along those lines and ends up working some piece of shit proletariat hourly wage job and lives in a trailer or some shit for the rest of their life.

but once you have become established, once you have developed a rhythm and gained experience, that's when the huge effort to arrive pays off.

>>58550206
I think you mistyped Detroit with different city. Detroit lies in USA, not Austria, which you are probably aware of.

And who's not into parties, art and drugs?

>>58550201
I could buy a house probably faster than you, but it would be almost empty, because everything is expensive as fuck.

>>58550286
no i meant detroit as in if you were still thinking about moving to the usa as an option, dont move here.

i once knew a girl in vienna, she liked the city and it seemed like a comfy life. dunno about programming opportunities, most of the city seems to be chemistry stuff.

>And who's not into parties, art and drugs?
a lot of posters on this website. plus you said you wanted a quiet life, going to a warehouse and tripping while harsh noise is blaring over a jury rigged sound system isn't really a quiet life imo.

>>58546840
I think most people who study biology end up working as customer service representatives.

I'm not into raves or some shit like that. I like to enjoy art while being sober and popping some molly with friends on weekdays.

I think I'm pretty down to earth guy, who just wants to live a quiet live.

>>58550349
That's my reply, I forgot to quote.
>>58550389

>>58550389

K... keep us posted

>>58550389
>>58550407
warehouse shows aren't really raves, i guess they might be in a similar vein.

yeah my dude, do some research if vienna or another Austrian city has opportunities for a career you're interested in.

>>58550343
Are you the not american guy? Everythinf is cheap in america except for school, medical, and housing, aka everything we actually neednto live. Meanwhile 4k smart tvs are going for 350 bucks

>>58550538
And still standard of middleclass life in USA is higher than in Eastern Europe.

>>58545722
become a real programmer and get into the video game industry. shortage of good programmers and they get paid the most. (and have the most available jobs)

>>58550562
Techland have main HQ in my city, Wrocław.
C++ programmers in Techland gets about 15% less than other average C++ wages here.

>>58549178
> saving $30k
> not investing

Good job with your $30k

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>>58550618
if you want to get paid well, gtfo of poland. a video game programmer anywhere else swims in cash.

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>>58549989
Lmao you have two days to get here. Trump isn't letting you in hahahaha.

>>58550670
I guess I'll work for a two of three years to get experience and leave to Switzerland or Austria.
I don't like skiing, so that might be a problem, while looking for job there.
>>58550674
I'm not really looking forward to moving to USA. Countries I listed above are my top 2.
By the way, If people think that Trump supporters are racist and xenophobic they should really spend few days in Poland, because most Poles are 100% Nazi.

>>58547867
How do you study something ironically?

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>>58550751
>(((poles))) are nazi

>>58550788
I'm studying cultural science ironically just to spite my CS professors who are fifty years old edgelord who laugh at anything outside of their field of study.

>>58550860
Have you even been in Poland post 2010? Since then we became literally Hitler. I'm not even joking, maybe slightly exaggerating.

>>58546840
I agree. lets just hate on another popular thing. I hate popular things. i'm a special snowflake. someone pay attention to me!

>>58549512
I think people like to be mean on here in an attempt to fit in with the 4chan culture propagated all over the internet.

>>58551220
This. I wish one they /g/ could be free from stigma that came with /b/ (just an opinion) and we could have our nice little chats about our work and people could advice others where you could get something better or anything.

I would like to see friendly /g/ no matter how stupid it sounds.

>>58549831
CS is all about learning theory plus a few practical examples and then using the knowledge in real life. It is assumed that if you know the theory of programming languages and you have some experience with real languages then you will easily be able to learn any prog language/framework.

How the fuck do you still not know what to do after 3 fucking years of studying?

I also live in Poland if that helps.

>>58550911
Nah, we've been the same for ages. Now that normies in the internet are sensitive towards any """""racism"""", our way of being is exaggerated.

>>58551333
I know that learning something isn't that hard. I've learned a lot with front-end very quickly. I got classes in algorithms and programming and I know how to think and create programs. I'm worried, because it's not classes anymore and employers are often picky.

Nice trips.

Everyone in tech industry is being abused, if you can start your own company that's the only road to success.
Lots of people brag about their IQ and uni but end up working for a boss and making less than the boss does IF they were smart they came up with a idea and start their own shit.
It's never to late to start your own company and build something up that could be worth more than you'll ever earn.

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>>58551479
>make a startup
>in the middle of this tech bubble
pffft hahahahahahahahahaha

>>58551498
Most startups are shit they don't solve a problem, the 100st "social media app" isn't what we need.
If you actually could solve a real world problem and turn that into business your in but I believe most startups are just trying to be the new Facebook or Snapchat or whatever dumb shit we actually don't need.