Where do programmers like Karlie Kloss and Zoe Quinn rank among

the amount of male to female programmers should be a good indication

>>58517842
>Karlie Kloss and Zoe Quinn rank among guys like Pike, Jeff Dean
Among equals.

>>58517856
What does this mean?

>>58517882
It isn't. Women face many barriers to getting in to the masculine and macho world of tech

>>58518233
Nice, care to expand on this?

>>58518355
>It isn't. Women face many barriers to getting in to the masculine and macho world of tech
care to expand on this?

>>58517842
Troll thread?

Dennis Richie>Bjarne Stroustrop>=Linus Torvalds>RMS>>>>>>>Bill Gates>>>>>>>>>Steve Jobs>Nef Quinteros>>>Karlie Kloss

Zoe Quinn doesn't even rank, she's just a feminazi.

>>58518592
Seriously? Read any tech magazine, or if you're into gaming, Kotaku or Polygon. The tech/gaming word is misogynistic and racist as hell. I thought this was common knowledge lol.

Commendably steps are being taken to rectify this but not enough IMO. More has to be done to get more women and PoC into these fields. The future of this industry is a stake here.

Educate yourself dude

>>58518811
at least put effort into your bait

>>58517842
>Zoe Quinn
>programmer
niggawhut.png

>>58518873
Implying coding a game from scratch isn't programming. Okay sure buddy

>>58518831
Sharing the same opinion as most of the educated people of this world is bait? Are you fucked? Did you vote for Drumpf too?

>>58518355
>It isn't. Women face many barriers to getting in to the masculine and macho world of tech
nice b8
>Nice, care to expand on this?
fuck you you SJW dickhead. jesus christ.

>>58517842
it's not our job to educate you

read a fucking book

Do you dream in code, /g/?

This isn't a male vs female issue
Its programmer vs poser issue

I honestly don't care what Kloss and Quinn have between their legs, all I know is they genuinely cannot program for shit yet seem to have some of the loudest voices of representation regarding the discipline.

>>58519018
>fuck you you SJW dickhead. jesus christ.
>muh SJW boogeyman

let me guess, you're a single white male?

>>58519018
>bait
>fuck you sjw

Make up your mind peasant

>>58517842
make sure you focus on Grace Hopper and Lisa Su type characters. don't validate low IQ attention whores with zero useful work under their belts.

having a vagina does not preclude one from being a good programmer or engineer. it only pigeon holes girls into other fields, and for this both men and women are to blame.

>>58518947
>from scratch
lol

>>58517842
While Linus is one of the best, and has made some pretty cool code in his days (Linux, Git etc), in terms of pure programming skill I'd say Karlie is probably one of the most skilled programmers. She types really fast and programs very well, few can compete with her. I've heard that she mastered the programming class in just hours which would take normal student weeks.

>>58519283
>>58519316
Finally some serious answers. Thank you for not resorting to memes and sarcasm

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>>58517842
Ryan Mitchell is an example of a great programmer who happens to be a woman. There's tons of great women programmers, they're just locked away in industry or academia [just like the men], not wasting their time going on and on about social issues. These people are too bright/have too many important projects to dedicate their lives to social issues.

People like Zoe Quinn and Karlie Kloss aren't particularly well-educated or qualified to be considered even moderately-skilled programmers, so they stick to what they can do, social issues. It's for this reason that they're easy to hate on (Seriously, Quinn doesn't even have a college degree, and just took some silly indie dev six-week crash course).


Also the fact that this board is still circle-jerking Dennis Ritchie, Bjarne Stroustrop, Linus, RMS, etc as the greatest programmers of all time really just shows their ignorance. These people were all great in their own respects (Ritchie especially), but there are so many brilliant modern-day programmers that do much more intensive work and optimizations, whereas the above mentioned are known for developing game-changing technologies quite some time ago, their publicity, and social/public activities, not necessarily making them the "greatest programmers" as the board so often claims.

>>58519455
>Ryan Mitchell is an example of a great programmer who happens to be a woman

She's hot af too. Would impregnate

>>58519477
Wow, creep much?

>>58519792
>straight man wants to fuck attractive woman
>posts about it anonymously
>in a place she'll never go to anyway

no, not really

>>58519455
>doesn't even have a college degree
I don't disagree but if you think that's a requirement please kill yourself

>>58519821
>in a place she'll never go to anyway
How could you possibly know that you little piece of shit?

>>58519854
>you little piece of shit?

Lmao why are you so mad? First day on 4chan?

And for the record I don't care if she sees it or not. I want to fuck her

>>58519854
success and /g/ are mutually exclusive

>>58519792
>>58519854
>white-knighting a girl you've never met on an anonymous imageboard she has most likely never even heard of

This is a whole new level of cringe

>>58519843
>I'm a nigger.

>>58518355

and why exactly do you think that is?

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honestly at first glance one might want to point to the "greats" of programming such as Pike, Jeff Dean, Linus, and Richard Stallman, however when you take into account the atmosphere of the programming world, and the idea of achievement against the odds I would put those women and their achievements above the others. It's not so much that they programmed well, but rather they programmed well while juggling and fighting off others with a stick! :)

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>>58519976

hey buddy back off from her alright

>>58520021
Well said.

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>>58520021
>>58519792
>>58519316
>>58518811
>>58517842

>>58519047
They're programmers, just not the kind that deals in low level stuff like writing kernels and compilers. Most programming these days is the high-level stuff, interfacing with APIs and so on.

>>58519060
s/single/fucking

>>58519990
>I got a CS degree so I can write spyware in non-free Javascript

cd code
cd ..
cd ?
cd ..
cd ...
cd
cd
cd help
cd code
cd ..

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>>58517842
I don't even care if this is bait, this needs to be said.


Women can be just as good as men in the field. Grace Hopper (pic related) was a brilliant computer scientist and probably ranks above all three men you have listed.

However, people like Zoe Quinn and Karlie Kloss are not 'programmers' they are people that took up programming as a hobby and got famous for it. They are no different from your average 14-year-old autist in terms of programming ability.

Zoe Quinn is old news from old drama and shouldn't be worth discussing anymore, however Karlie Kloss is an interesting case. Karlie has created a camp where young girls can learn to code, and as far as I'm concerned, that's great. Camps like these probably won't produce the next Grace Hopper, but they will get more girls into things like web development and standard industry jobs, which is no different from any other programming camp in the end.

To answer your question: There are women in programming that are at the same level and higher than their male counterparts. Karlie Kloss and Zoe Quinn are not these women.

>>58517856
FPBP

>>58522654

Fuck yeah, Grace Hopper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEpsKnWZrJ8

Don't waste your fucking nanoseconds.

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>>58518696
>Bjarne Stroustrop
Bjarne Stroustrop

>>58523067

> she takes out the microsecond

jesus christ, just think of all the microseconds that shit-tier languages like Java and Python waste.

this is as good of an argument as learning C/C++ as any.

>>58519854
You need to go back

>>58522654
>>58523067
Been waiting for Grace Hopper as fpbp.

>>58518696
Dennis Richie>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=Linus Torvalds>RMS>>>>>>>Bill Gates>>>>>>>>>Steve Jobs>Nef Quinteros>>>Karlie Kloss>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bjarne Stroustrop

FTFY

>>58523136
>>58523636
What's with all the hate on Bjarne Stroustrop?

>>58517842
they're just below. in a few years karlie will be able to code circles around cis white males like Knuth and Pike

>>58518947

>from scratch
>with twine

lel

>>58522654
>they are people that took up programming as a hobby and got famous for it.

they don't even know what they are doing. they're famous people who posted a couple pictuers of them wrongly using a terminal, and copypasting code from the internet.

if that's programming, then playing the kazoo in kindergarden is the same as mozart or hans zimmer

>>58523648
He perverted C into an object-oriented language and then said that the very language he modified was now obsolete.

He stood on the shoulders of giants and spat in their faces.

>>58523748
>7 News is one person
Also not /g/ related

>>58523067
>i'm going to be as good as grace hopper one day, i totally relate to her for having the same genitalia and work ethic and education and intelligence as i do

yeah and all men programmers are going to be as good as knuth one day

>>58522654
>they will get more girls into things like web development and standard industry jobs, which is no different from any other programming camp in the end.

what is this meme that there are not enough women in programming?

first of all can someone give me a reason why there aren't enough women in these fields?

my calculus teacher was a woman, she was a statistician for 50 years before that.

i have watched footage of MIT and Stanford classes for computer science, and mathematics and there are about the same amount of women in there as men.

industry is full of women. it's always been this way.

my wife is a geneticist at one of the top research labs in the world. plenty of her colleagues are women, plenty are men.

it's a meme to say that there for whatever reason needs to be more women in the field. i think saying "we need more X" is a scheme to lower the wage of the field.

we need more GOOD people not more people. women don't bring anything special to the table, neither do men. if you're good, you're good. and it's illegal to discriminate against someone based on gender, so it doesn't happen at any place that matters. the only place this kind of discrimination does happen is in the turd world countries that all the immigrants are coming from.

>>58523648
if you have to ask you are clearly a newfag

>>58523835
>we need more GOOD people not more people

And that's exactly what these camps and programs do. It's a statistical fact that women are vastly outnumbered in CS, and a lot of that can be attributed to the fact that, until recently, it was seen as a 'virgin nerd thing'.

They were socially discouraged from becoming programmers, and now that someone who represents the opposite of the stereotype has come out encouraging them to code, more of them are showing interest in the field.

It's not a matter of discrimination, it's a matter of stigma.

>>58524845
>it was seen as a 'virgin nerd thing'.
>They were socially discouraged from becoming programmers

Who called programmers "virgin nerds" in the 90's?

I'll give you a hint.. It was fucking women.

So they socially discouraged themselves from becoming programmers?

The fact is that women don't have the inquisitiveness required to become a programmer on their own, because they are lesser humans. All this "they were discouraged" bullshit is just an excuse for people who don't want to face the cold facts.

I know this whole thread is bait, but I'll post my thoughts anyways.

There's a lot less woman in Computer Science than any other field of study at my school. Even Math seems close to parity.

So many people in this thread are in a weird denial. It's not that women are stupid - they're doing great work in almost every other field. It's that women who like computers are perceived as purely as ugly autists while men are also perceived as geniuses and silicon valley types.

It's not even that the perception is true, it's just that when they look at the university transcript and are picking their future, it's hard for them to imagine themselves as programmers.

>>58524912
>>lesser humans
>>cold facts
Your facts sure smell like opinions.

>>58524912
>I'll give you a hint.. It was fucking women.
Not in my experience. Women have little to gain from insulting men like that, they're not competing with men, it's men that are competing with men and benefit from putting men down (particularly in a sexual way). Women don't compete with men romantically, but only in the workplace - and in that scenario, they would benefit more from insults against your productivity or willingness to follow company regulations, than attacks on their manhood.

>>58518696
>Steve Jobs
>programming
This is now a b8 thread

This thread is either a feminazi trash trying to get us to do her homework or just bait, but I'm ganna answer anyway.

1. Men are more rational
2. CS was seen as a nerd thing not too long ago
3. Many girls choose women/gender studies, art or other trash subjects while men go for engineering, maths, cs, etc... (see 1)

>>58524845
>It's a statistical fact
wrong. it's untrue. and the law of large numbers (an important part of STATISTICS, which you don't even understand yet make up appeal to authority arguments on the spot when they suit your opinion) is further proof that the numbers tend toward the average. no matter how we artificially inflate the numbers they will always tend toward certain ratios. the fact is that if you personally want to do this stuff you will do it in spite of what other people think about you because you're so smart you don't care. telling average and below average brainlets that they should get into an intellectually highly demanding field, mentally and physically taxing on the body just so some SJW's on the internet can feel good is the wrong reason for forcing people into these positions

>>58526274
>women/gender studies, art or other trash subjects
those are collectively known as "socialist/communist/marxist indoctrination"

>>58524845
>They were socially discouraged from becoming programmers

maybe you were. i know plenty of women who are programmers. programming is a highly skilled job suited for the top third of the bell curve. you can't just wave a magic wand and suddenly everybody is jammed into that top third.

why do i waste my time on you?

>>58523648
He fucked up so bad it took 20+ years of revisions and thousands of hours of work on a unofficial "standard library" (aka. Boost) to make his shitty language barely usable.

>>58522654
>muh programmer camp!

KYS. Pushing everyone into programming regardless of IQ, talent, or true interest is why there's so much shit code out there. Not to mention some fucking camp is not going to prepare someone to tackle real projects and do a good job.

>coder camp
>pajeet
>everyone should code!

And then people wonder why everything is shit, slow, inefficient, full of bugs, and hacked daily.

>>58524845
>camp
>good programmer
Fucking eh I'm switching careers. I can't stand this shit any more.

>>58519037
I once had sex with my editor in a dream.
It was awful

>>58526927
Switch to Vim, once you get into insert mode dreaming in code is much easier.

>>58517842
>Karlie Kloss
>Zoe Quinn
>Jeff Dean
"Who are all those people?" level %%Don't answer, I don't care%%
>Pike
"stupid cunt" level for inventing golang
>Linus
"well, Linux runs, so OK, I guess" level
Linus > Pike > other

>>58518696
You got the wrong Steve, mate.

All faggots and girls in my company work in front-end except for one girl.
front-end people act like they make everything, and actually don't know shit

>>58517842
the women you listed
>wrote a video game in html
>writes android cookie cutter apps
the men you listed
>wrote an operating system control structure in binary
>architect of most powerful neural networks in the world

they dont compare

>>58523174
> Java wastes microseconds

You realize of course that Java stuff like SQL Server connection pools have dickwaving contests where they measure which ones are the best in nanoseconds, right?

Java is an industry leader in performance because of these brave autistes.

This is a respectable bait thread. Keep your shit tier bait out of here.

>>58518811
So you couldn't really elaborate on that then?

If all you hear about misogyny in the gaming industry is from people who are not in the gaming industry (people who graduated in women's studies, not in anything related remotely to the gaming industry) then you have nothing.
Of course those people are going to complain about misogyny. But everywhere I studied and worked, there was nobody who didn't want women to be among us

I'd say Zoe Quinn is about equal to John Carmack

>>58519843
Not him but it should be. Get your ass back in school.

>>58526609
Wait you think programming is physically taxing? How fat are you?

>>58529003
not him, but game programming, in most jobs at this industry, requires 80+ hours a week sitting in front of a computer monitor.
The "mentally" part is what destroys you, but unless you have a very comfortable chair (which they don't give you in an office job normally), then your back will suffer greatly, to the point of needing a visit to the doctor.

It's not like planting potatoes though, but maybe that's the type of "physically taxing" that he meant

>>58517856

Kaloudi se vlepw

>>58519854
>>58519792
Why the fuck is tumblr here?

>>58532162

THICCC

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>>58519047
Indeed, there are plenty of posers in the programming world. They usually are the ones with Macbooks and spent most of their day tweeting.

>>58518831
I think he's doing a pretty good job

>>58518811
>Kotaku or Polygon
Bruh
You almost got me there
Bruh

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>>58517842
Do you mean Karlie "cd code" Kloss?

>>58518811
I've been a professional programmer for twenty years now. What you say is absolute baloney.

>>58517842
Zoe Quinn is not a programmer.

Linus is an awesome programmer.

Don't know who Kloss is.

>>58522279
>he doesn't kode with karlie

>>58523718
>He perverted C into an object-oriented language
Not even close.
Smalltalk is object oriented, C++ is a shitty hack.

>>58517842
>Are they on the same level, or just below?
Think: who wrote a context-switching operating system?

>>58518355
>the masculine and macho world of tech
yeah I know, le troll face xD

>>58519455
ISIS LOVECRUFT IS BEST FEMALE C0ADER

#1 BASED

>>58519455
/thread

Why is every board I go full of such useless bait threads? At least try harder

Here is a comprehensive list of famous female programmers and what they are famous for:

>>58532162
... why are they in underwear?
And why is there a whale on the photo?
this is confusing

also sage, this thread does not deserve to live

>>58528799
God damn son, are you trying to start an internet argument?

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>>58533626
Because it's EMPOWERING

>>58526274
>1. Men are more rational
Nice meme.

>2. CS was seen as a nerd thing not too long ago
Still is.

>women/gender studies
Barely anyone takes those classes. Women are more likely to go for non-STEM, but gender studies is such an extreme minority of non-STEM fields that it's become a meme.

>>58526609
>wrong. it's untrue. and the law of large numbers (an important part of STATISTICS, which you don't even understand yet make up appeal to authority arguments on the spot when they suit your opinion) is further proof that the numbers tend toward the average. no matter how we artificially inflate the numbers they will always tend toward certain ratios.
Uh, no. The law of large numbers just says that the larger a random sample is, the more likely it is to be representative of the total population. You don't have to "artificially inflate" anything for it to be clear that women are a minority in computer science.

>>58526629
You're thinking of philosophy, history, and political science. Those are the fields full of marxists.

>>58526894
>KYS. Pushing everyone into programming regardless of IQ, talent, or true interest is why there's so much shit code out there.
No, the reason there's so much shit code is because project managers don't care about code quality, so even the good programmers don't bother putting in much effort except on their own hobby projects. Coding camps don't cause poor code quality, poor code quality is due to the culture of the coding industry, and coding camps take advantage of the fact that there's lots of demand for coders able to do the bare minimum.

>>58527056
>>Pike
>"stupid cunt" level for inventing golang
He wrote Plan 9 and UTF-8 you fucking faggot.

>>58527851
>>wrote an operating system control structure in binary
Lolwut? Linux is written in asm and C, not ``binary" (which no one has programmed in since the 1960s, and even then wasn't used for anything more complex than a bootloader).

>>58527877
>>58527877
>Java is an industry leader in performance
>Java is an industry leader in performance
>Java is an industry leader in performance
Almost got me.

>>58532220
>implying men don't eat or use twitter
>>>/r9k/

>>58533522
>Think: who wrote a context-switching operating system?
None of them.

>>58523718
C is already object oriented retards just dont know how to use it as such

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>>58534440
>>implying men don't eat or use twitter
Real men don't use Twitter and eat animals, not processed food and sodas.

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>>58533478
>koding with karlie
>not klossie

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>>58517842
Well actually if you take into account privilege points you'll realize that the women are on par with the men.

>>58534440
>None of them.
I meant in the comparison between Landwhale Femipinkhair and Linux Torax

>>58534382
>women are a minority in computer science.
who says that women have to be in computer science if they don't want to?

>>58523748
God I hate living in Australia.

>women in computer science

https://css-tricks.com/tales-of-a-non-unicorn-a-story-about-the-trouble-with-job-titles-and-descriptions/

>>58536010
if you're a woman and want to be in computer science, fine. just don't be a pleb too like this one https://css-tricks.com/tales-of-a-non-unicorn-a-story-about-the-trouble-with-job-titles-and-descriptions/

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>>58517842
in the trash, along with your shitty bait