/hpg/ - Headphone General

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first for cable risers

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>>58513551
second for brilliant pebbles

Just bought the Philips SHP9500. Haven't used open headphones before. Assuming I'm using them at a reasonable volume, how much sound can a person sitting like a feet away from me hear? Half of what I do?

>>58513587
>how much sound can a person sitting like a feet away from me hear?
most of it

set your current headphones at normal volume down on your desk. that's roughtly how loud open cans will be when on your head.

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>>58513514
What do you guys think about Pic related

>>58513610
I-I can't hear anything when it's on my desk. Using DT 770s.

>>58513610
easy way to test that
cover the inside cups with your hands
hold it a foot away from your head

there you go

though a foot is PRETTY FUCKING CLOSE for someone else to be close to you, that's what, like 30 cm?

you're basically rubbing shoulders at that point

>>58513780
>you're basically rubbing shoulders at that point
gaaaaay

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Who here besides me has a lot of money to spend on audio gear but he's not going to spend any money because he's definitely satisfied with what he already has?

>>58513907
maybe spend it on a non-shit waifu instead

>>58513907
Me.

>>58513917
Hopefully your music and audio taste isn't as good as your women taste.

>>58513954
>showing bare mammaries to all men around
>waifu material

>>58513954
>>58513907
she literally has a boob window
she's sucked off two guys and did one anal between your two posts

>>58514008
it's like he wants to get cucked lmao

>>58514015
oh I forgot that was a thing
well move along then anon

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>>58513975
>>58514008
You're mistaking my waifu for somebody else.
Please stop posting.

>>58514028
see >>58513907
if that's not a boob window made exclusively to stare at and stick your dick in, what the fuck is it

>>58514087
Your thoughts are dirty.

>>58514129
not as dirty as your whore tier waifu

>>58511032
>a correctly filled purchase advice form, too
Oh, they don't bother with that as often as they should.
These people can't figure out why we encourage you post about your previous headphones in the template.

One of the things I'd want to convey is that the better electronics don't so much make it sound better, so much as reproduce it without artifacts.
That power is listed as a spec instead of voltage tends to make things annoying.
>basic infographic points
-Headphones in general don't require amplifiers
-Amplifiers are not going to make a headphone sound "better", just louder
-DACs don't drive headphones directly
-High impedance does not explicitly require an amplifier
-How much power(voltage) you need from your amp is just how loud you want it to be, and headphone dependent

There's a very annoying thing about headphone users, that they tend to assume high impedance to be more "difficult to drive". It isn't like this in the speaker world, where 1 ohm speakers are rightly considered brutal loads.

>>58511314
>>58511247
Effective EMI rejection ratio comes down to component choice, as well as as arrangement and shielding. As you might expect, electrical engineering is way more complicated than just moving the op-amps away from the emitter.

>I'm questioning if I still need to be using my external headphone amp/DAC. I tried out the onboard audio on my Asus Maximus VII Hero and it drove my headphones just as well.
Of course not. If you don't have an issue, why are you bothering with other gear?

>I get so much goddamn EMI using my external unit
Actual EMI or just noise floor? As in, interference that can be strongly correlated to active GPU, motors, wireless data, etc.

>>58514028
She's everyones waifu ;)
You prob tasted cum from her lips too, faggot

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is there any reason i shouldn't get these?

my last pair were koss PRO4AAT headphones and they were tits aside from being uncomfortable after a while

I think ma-900s have ruined me, I've tried 10+ different sets of phones (currently using k712s) and every other headphone causes me pain/discomfort during extended sessions, after spending 2 years wearing ma-900s daily I don't think I can change my daily set of cans.

>>58513907
HD650- might be a while before I start saving for endgame gear

Speaking of which what is your endgame /hpg/?

>>58514550
880 prob

>>58514475
They get uncomfortable after a while

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/fostex-x-massdrop-th-x00?1=1&utm_placement=0&referer=2YVXYC&mode=guest_open

best closed headphones are back b o y s

>>58514655
>400 bucks
>cable isn't detachable
into the trash

>>58513587

The amount of sound that will leak out into the room is a lot, and it's not quiet. It will be VERY noticeable to anyone sitting anywhere near you.

>>58514522

I never have tried them but their FR looks like the most confy thing to listen to, i have the hd600 but these are tempting

>>58513575
>>58513551
go fuck yourselves

>>58514028
>>58513907
Cancerous taste on music. also it's kinda sad that you have this shitty albums as your favo while you watch anime with very bright/uplifiting sounding OPs as where your shit waifu came from.

>>58514850
Damn that sucks. The PC is in the living room so was hoping it wouldn't leak too much. Oh well.

The meme50x is not very comfortable and the ear cups sit on top of my ears cause I have a big head.

I LOVE my logitech g930 but they do not have very good audio quality, the comfort level is insane. Are there any headphones like these?

>>58513640
>urbanears

>>58514655
these aren't WS1100is

>>58515329
>Solid Bass®
niggers should be lynched

>>58515359
>actually believing to the marketing meme
You missing a lot

>>58515266
well, the sound getting past the headphones and into your head is also a lot. There is almost zero isolation with these.

US, Looking for a desktop DAC/AMP with switchable pre-amp output.

So far I've found the Micca Origen+, but people complain about power, quality and drivers, and the NFB-11, which is $320.

Any other good choices under $300? I'd also go with just an amp.

Out of all of this. What should i get?
Want it to be closed back, comfy, good bass if possible. Previous headset wqs g930

>>58515233
why

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>>58515813
Forgot pic

>>58515829
because, how much this cast you?

>>58515261
Take your pills against depression, anon.
With love,
a true patrician audiophile

>>58515857
speak english please

>>58515860
You are depressed

>>58515871
I made a typo

>>58515838
Update
Bought the hd559s

>>58515838
>>58515813

>goes to store
>post pic of store shelf on 4chan
>asks what to buy

>>58514307
>and headphone dependent
I guess many of these are in some way headphone dependent except for gear behind the amp(DAC, source, phono stage, shakti stones).

Some concepts like "sounding better" are subjective to a point and relative to whatever gear a person has now. As an example, a competently designed amplifier could have an audible impact on the sound but only if the device you compare it to is really poor. While this is more a situation where the existing gear was just bad and the other one merely works, it could confuse some. This is something that is hard to know without a comparison and even then listening isn't exactly a reliable way to tell. How to convey this without removing the idea that amplifiers only make things louder? Or should it go unmentioned until a problem arises?

>There's a very annoying thing about headphone users, that they tend to assume high impedance to be more "difficult to drive".
I really wonder how this came to be. Was it just the realization that many high impedance(say above 300 ohm) headphones often come with a lower than usual voltage sensitivity. Or was it the amplifier spec sheets listing silly upper ranges of load impedance(like FiiO E10K's "up to 150 ohm"). Then this causing misconceptions about electrical resistance and after being repeated enough times on forums it became pseudoscience.

Another thing which seems to create very odd ideas is source file material, lossy/lossless file compression, perceptual coding(encoders+settings, bitrate), transparency and how this relates(or doesn't relate) into headphone(and other gear's) quality.

>Is it worth to upgrade my headphones if I only listen to mp3?

Answering these kinds of questions properly without resorting into "it doesn't work that way" or tl:dr is really hard.

>>58515913
>>58515919

>goes to store
>post pic of store shelf on 4chan
>asks what to buy
2 minutes and 0 replies later
>buys most expensive option on store shelf

fucking rofl

>>58515968
Thats a weird way of spelling nearly cheapest

>>58515994
did you look at the store shelf pic? It looked full of $30 walmart-tier options...

>>58516031
I wish, lowest price was 150. The shit i got was 159

>>58516048

tell us what oh does it sound? have you own the 558?

>>58513514
hey /hpg/

i'm looking for a pair of headphones that are comfy and don't boost the bass or any frequency. a flat response, i guess -- i don't know the jargon

i'm looking for something that goes over the ear and is not noise cancelling.
my main use will be playing music to play along to.

price range is up to $200.00, possibly more

>>58516567
Beats by Dr. Dre
or fill out the fucking template

>>58516567
open or closed?

open 558, closed m40x

>>58516733
closed
those Audio Technica look fine, but i wouldn't mind spending like twice as much more.
in the past i've usually just bought the $20 Sony headphones

>>58516915
I don't know of any good higher budget neutral headphones that are closed

>>58517121

ok, thanks. i think i'm just going to try these out. price is good enough so i won't experience too much butt hurt if i don't like them

hey guys, what's the best headphone cable you can get?

>>58517448
the most expensive ones

>>58517625
any brands you'd recommend?

>>58517448
In the same way that your DAC, amp and headphones should always cost around the same amount, your cables should be similarly expensive.

So for example, when you buy the HD800S as a midfi set of headphones for say $1400, plan to spend that much times three for a proper setup.

>>58517691
It depends on your headphones. I mean, isn't obvious that the best audio is going to come from cables made specifically for that headphone model?

>>58517706
>isn't obvious
no

>>58517691
the most expensive ones

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Ja BOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

>>58517448

What kind of cable?

>>58518004
1/8" to 1/8"

>>58517879
I hope it's DOA

I found a pair of ATH ANC7 headphones with case, cable, and adapters for $5. Foam on the ears and hand band is a little damaged, damn these things are comfy and don't sound bad for $5.

>>58516645
autism

So I got the HD559 and i'm loving so god damn much, what are some things I should do now that I have proper headphones? I've never owned a sick pair such as this

>>58518436
Learn to use a parametric equalizer to make them sound even better.

I need a 2x 2.5mm > 3.5mm/6.25mm jack cable, quite long, 2m+.

Where do I find one in Europe?

>>58518436
nothign?

>>58518436
Enjoy them friendo.

You're almost plateaued at the best headphones you can get without needing massive amps to properly drive them.

If you really want, first save up and get a proper setup. Then you can splurge on some resistant bastard phones

>>58518436
Is the foam mod still possible on the new gen HD 559

Hey /hpg/,

Does a Akg k702 need an amp?
I've only got a Xonar D1 sound card without amp.

My gramps got me a pair of beats for New Years, what do?

>>58518730
sell

>>58518614
>If you really want, first save up and get a proper setup. Then you can splurge on some resistant bastard phones
Yeah would really like to know what that means.

so how about a ~$50 pair of bluetooth?

it would be great if they are mesh/allow me to hear around them (currently I have to run one off my right ear because I need to be able to hear.

I'd like light that stay on head well and have good bluetooth distance. I'm not an audiophile or anything so don't pull anything trying to match the budget. (hope it's not too basic a request)

>>58518751
>get amp
>get headphones that are tough as shit to drive like HE-500, HD800, LCD-2, Fostex, etc

The mahogany TH-X00s are on massdrop if anyone was waiting for them.

I got the HE400i on sale this winter, really enjoying them so far.

The Planar Magnetic sound is quite different from what I was using prior (k7xx) but very enjoyable.

>>58518856
>no detachable cable
drake_shun.jpg

>>58518812
And besides spending money that gives you what?

Also...

>tough to drive

LCD-2 was never that insensitive and past Fazor magnet structure the modern Audeze phones are quite safely powered on standard electronics with a headphone out.

HD 800 is nothing unusual if you have a bit of voltage. Most sources are completely fine. My mobile phone already does a decent job with 1 Vrms. I want more headroom for EQ and high dynamic range content but for most modern music without EQ, they are quite fine.

What Fostex? Their TR50P and TR40P junk is the least sensitive but neither are especially bad. Lower than LCD-2 but higher than HD 800 as far as sensitivity goes. Higher end models such as the TH-600/900/X00 are the opposite and will not require any kind of discrete amplifier.

HE-500 is the least sensitive and due to the lower impedance it's also the hardest load. Fulla 2 won't sweat.

>>58518906
You shouldn't think the difference comes from the transducer type itself.

>>58518121
Wat?

>>58518030

V-moda ones are the best

>>58518318
kek i ignored that response, but that's what i was thinking

>Budget
200 I guess but around 100 would be better
>Location
USA
>Source
Laptop and Iphone
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Pretty comfy
>Sound signature
Want something neutral and analytical to compliment my fun-sounding vmoda's.

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what's the better option

you have $100

you can buy Sennheiser HD 280 or Sony MDR-7506

or

Audio-Technica ATH-M30x for $60 and Takstar 2050 $45

>>58520137
I buy a 7506 and pads

>>58520136

HD558 or HD598SE

>>58520160
what brand of pads?

>>58520136
>>58520137
ATH-m50X is probably the most popular in that price range.

Upper end of price range rec would be get in on the next HD6XX drop.

Time to invest into a good headset, would appreciate a littlebit of help.

Budget: Around 200€, 300€ (318$) would be my hard limit
Location: West Europe
Source: my old Ipod, Laptop
Type: closed, comfortable fit for prolonged use, neutral signature
Past headphones: cheap trash

I want a headset for listening to a wide range of music, watching movies and to play games sometimes.
I'd mainly use them inside, but also want to be able to comfortably wear them while commuting (without looking like an uber nerd).
Detachable cable is a must for everything over 150€ for me. I'm not really an audiophile nor very experienced in the subject but I think I can hear the difference between good and bad sound to a degree.

>>58514655
M50X

>>58520315
do you mean headset or headphones?

if you mean headset, hyperx cloud 1

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just ordered some Koss PortaPro and JVC HA-RX700

did I do good?

>>58520137
558

My PC360's just broke after serving me extremely well for the last 6 or so years, do Sennheiser still make them or are there any new models that are similar? I want a headset.

My budget is around 150€ - 200€

>>58520137
MDR7506 + DT250 pads for bright neutral-ish
M40x + DT250 pads for vaguely neutral-ish with more low end
M50x + DT250 pads for V-shaped

If you absolutely neeeeed isolation get HD280's. Otherwise the above are better.

>>58520872
No idea about the JVC's, but Porta Pros are GOAT

>>58520996
just buy PC363 if you liked the PC360

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-Performance-Surround-Gaming-Headset/dp/B008O515CK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1484611844&sr=8-3&keywords=sennheiser+pc

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These reignited my love for music<3

>>58521162
That the hifimedy 9018 DAC? How does it compare to other DACs [if you have any to compare]
Does it also have a proper line out?

>>58521224
Yes, the non-async version.

It's easily the best I've listened to, but all I own is Yamaha RX-V765 and Scythe Kama Amp Kro.

Proper line out? Just 3.5mm out, obviously adaptable. Drives the K702s with ease, which apparently is a decently hard pair to drive.

>>58521162
sexy headphone is sexy. I would recommend getting a the X2 to make it a couple

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>>58521049
JVC are huge and have good sound for the price so I have heard

>>58521295
Bruh im poor. This was the nice item of the year for me.

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need suggestions for the 150-250 range to be plugged into an external sound card to track the music I record and produce. Guitars/drums/bass/vocals. Sound over comfort.

>>58521317
>that huge JVC sticker slapped on her arm just so we know for sure that its a JVC ad

>>58521691
msr7 if you want good but slightly less neutral
m40x if you want neutral but a good chunk worse

anyone have any experience with this headphone

LyxPro HAS-30

So the cushioning on my Senn.HD558s is tearing, any way to get replacements for all 3 cushions? Im only seeing for the earpads.

>>58513907
I'll probably add a DIY ODAC/O2 combo to my Fidelio L2 and call it a day.

>>58518436
stop listening to mp3 and youtube

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Hi, the other day I was in this general asking for a set of decent budget headphones. Someone suggested me the Superlux HD 681 heaphones. They sound fine, but after wearing them for a couple hours they really really hurt my ears. The next day I tried to wear them but I guess my ears were too sore from the day before and I couldn't put them on.

So this is 1) a fuck you to the guy that suggested the headphones 2) a PSA NOT to buy Superlux HD 681 Dynamic Semi-Open Headphones because they hurt like this. Put this in the OP. DO NOT BUY Superlux HD 681 Dynamic Semi-Open Headphones.

Ok that's all. Ass to get your attention. Jave a nice day.

>>58522563
Change the pads.

>>58522599
yeah I'm not falling for that again

>>58522620
Change the pads.

>>58522563
>>58522620
>I'm too stubborn for help

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Why are there no 'acceptable' bluetooth headphones at the £50-70 price mark.

I just want something that sound decent and don't look like cheap chinese shit to wear to/from work and occasionally during a sunday shift where I can wear headphones at work, because I'm getting sick and tired of the cable and I'm always anxious about fucking up my headphone jack by knocking it funny.

>>58522658
>>58522748
How? What do I buy? I think I might just have sensitive ears.

>>58522787
I put on Cosmos velours on my 668B's and they're miles better than stock pads. Grab either HM5 Hybrid/Velours or aftermarket AKG K240/270/271 Velour pads. The Cosmos pads are on amazon for ~$8 I think

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>>58522841
Pic of my 668B's with AKG K240 Velours

>>58522955
https://www.amazon.com/Cosmos-Velvet-Replacement-Cushion-Headphones/dp/B00KLPRQMO

Would these be compatible and comfortable?

>>58522978
Yeah, those are the ones on my 668B's in the pic above. I can wear them all day with the pads linked but not more than 2 hours with the stock before taking a break. Check out Zeo's video on the Superlux HD 669's, he has the HM5 Velours on the 668B's. HM5>Cosmos but both are and improvement over stock pads.

>>58522776
>bluetooth
>acceptable
Come back in a few years.

>>58523050
Forgot to add, AKG Velours will preserve the sound better.
HM5's for better comfort.

>>58523346
Any recommendations for replacements for >>58522140?

>Sony MDRV6 Studio Monitor Headphones with CCAW Voice Coil
Good?

I used to have a pair of ath-900x that were perfect in most ways, but they're dead now and I'd like something without wings that's similar in comfort. I've heard the 598s are good comfort and sound, would these be a good choice?

What was that microphone people recommend that you can easily attach to any headphones?

>>58514475
Former KOSS headphone user.
Not very good with amp/dacs

>>58523925
zalman or modmic

>>58523739
A quick google search for 'Sennheiser HD 558 cushion' in the shopping tab brings up replacement pads and headband for ~$10 USD or less

so the Koss SportaPros use the same driver as the Portapros right?? just use a different headband?

>>58524095
Either SportaPros or KCS75/35's I believe, can't remember which ones.

>>58524092
YTeah but I found that some people said theyre smaller/harder than the originals

>>58524164
Maybe DIY it with foam and fabric?

>>58524270
I've considered it.

In the mean time I just ordered a set from china, worst case scenario I just keep the ones im using now.

How is the foam mod btw? I've seen people talk about it but never anybody using it.

16bit vs 24bit vs 32bit

Can people tell difference

>>58524038
>zalman
https://www.amazon.com/Zalman-Zm-Mic1-Sensitivity-Headphone-Microphone/dp/B00029MTMQ

This one any good?

>>58515278
sony old xb series

>>58524287
I dont have 558's though removing the foam gives a bit less bass, more highs and a wider soundstage.

>>58524428
no

>>58524376
On a HD600, yes, you can tell the difference easily.
On any other headphone, no, you can't.

>>58524428
It's pretty decent when it gets enough power. It's definitely better than a webcam mic.

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Is the Audio Technica ATH PDG1 a good cop for $150 aud

>>58525426
Like $10 off the Amazon US price, It's okay.

>>58513551
the floor is lava

I just got m20x but the pads are uncomfortable. What are good replacements that don't fuck with the sound too much?

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can anyone with sound editing software quickly make an audio file that gives a comparison of a flat song and one with the high frequency changed to remove the sennheiser veil
pls
pls

>>58524376
Depends on the music and headphones. If it's classical on HD 800 then yes definitely.

Hello anons. I am really looking into this SoundMagic E10 / E10s or E10c.

Apparently they are the same price here no matter what model and I think I could try and pickup one. Has anyone tried it?

For Audio experience, I use a Kingston HyperX Cloud 2 (with muh meme usb soundcard) and was wondering if I'm going to get a quality pair of IEMs.

I am also worried that these would die. The last pair of IEMs I used were some Philips shit and died within a year.

>>58524376
16 vs 24? yes. Past 24, absolutely not.

>>58522563
Almost every time someone recommends the 681 they tell you to get new pads. Even if they didn't, it's no excuse. Do some fucking research before purchasing. God damn everywhere you look people complain about comfort and how you need new pads.

Go buy some cheap K240 velour pads. They work fine.

>>58526929
Not him, but I wonder, does DT 770 pads work on it? Seem similar in size so just curious.

>>58520467
Sorry, I mean headphones. I was a bit tired when writing this.
>>58520315

>>58527008
They do fit [with some difficulty getting them on], but they're expensive. If you have the money for 681's and 770 pads, then you may as well just get SHP9500's or just shell out the extra 20 for 558's, though those really only apply to the USA.

>>58527699
then see>>58521766

>>58524376
Absolutely not. Anyone who does says yes doesn't understand how precision works in signal processing or what it _could_ limit in perceived audio quality.

>>58526576
>>58526880
No.

>>58526929
Not that guy, but have a similar situation, ordered the HD681 a couple days ago and i'm now looking for pads.

Are any cheap velour pads good, or should i be on the lookout for shady quality? Theres k240 velour ones for under a fiver in Ali, but i'd rather cough up a bit more for a product that wont give me ear herpes or something.

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WORTH? Which Superlux is best for detailed sounds? Need something for CSGO. Also, should I get the insurance or no?

>>58527820
Yeah, cheap K240 pads work fine. They're not exactly the best, but they arent that awful. My old Senny 4XX series headphones had worse velour pads by comparison. The cheap K240 pads arent really 'plush' or whatever, as in they don't really squish much, which isn't the worst.

The ones the anon linked up here seem to be the cheap K240 pads. >>58522955

>>58527855
Yeah, those are the best superlux for CSGO. Get K240 pads though as the stock ones suck. Read >>58527861 and >>58522955 .

Ask /csg/ about the insurance thing tho.

>>58527861
I was actually looking at these:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Velour-Velvet-Replacement-Ear-Cushion-Pad-Earpad-Soft-Care-Headphone-universal-for-AKG-K240-Studio-K240MKII/32605744854.html?spm=2114.40010608.4.11.QExBj5

which are dirt cheap, it's not that big a difference in price.

>>58527775
It can matter if you have a situation where one source is lowering the volume and then amplifying it again. Ie. A computer with an external DAC/Amp.

But with modern amps like the Schiit stack and O2/dac It's pretty irrelevant.

>>58527893
They honestly look like the same ones. Not uncommon for shit on Ali to be sold on Amazon for like 30% more.

>>58527904
You'd have to go full retard with digital attenuation for even the 16 bit precision to matter so far as to make quantization noise audible.

>>58527855
>detailed sounds
>Need something for CSGO
kek

have a look at samson SR850 and see if you can get that instead. I'm not sure if it's the case for you but I much prefer a traditional headband over those... headflap things the 668b has, and for the rest it's basically the same. It also comes with velour pads, which is why I got them

I'm not really careful with my SR850 it's fallen off my ~1m high desk numerous times, the plastic cover around the metal rods along the top has cracked in various places, but that hasn't impacted anything and no pieces have fallen off yet. The headband is tearing at the edges in some places but you don't notice it, the cable is fraying a lot and is starting to tear in some places, but it's easily fixable with duct tape and most cables fray pretty badly.

If the insurance is longer than a year, consider it if it's very cheap, otherwise don't bother. Keep the money for when the headphone breaks in like a year and a half to two years most likely

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>>58527905
Nah, there's actually a page with the exact same ones, same pictures and everything in Ali, same price as amazon.

I guess i'll just get the cheapest ones and then upgrade to the slightly less cheap ones if i feel the need.

Thanks for the feedback

>>58527905
not uncommon for ali to sell fakes*

>Budget
$400 AUD max, so around $300-ish freedombux
>Location
Aus
>Source
PC, happy to get a dac/amp but it would all have to fall under budget
>Type of headphone
Full-sized, open
>Comfort level
Stuck in a cabin in the winter next to the fire watching the snow outside level comfy
>Sound signature
Neutral
>Past headphones
ATH-ADG1, I fell for the meme

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>>58527937
>Stuck in a cabin in the winter next to the fire watching the snow outside level comfy
>Aus
keep dreaming

>>58527951
;_;

Nah I'm fine, I get to sit inside away from the 45 degree Celsius heat, r-right? That's pretty comfy.

>>58527961
Youre doing better than me. I'm stuck in a hot room with Ety's to block out the sound of my industrial fan.

>>58527937
hd600 with an amp is what you want but can't afford

so I guess get a 558

>>58528134

how much would that cost me approx

>>58528167
about 400 usd with the amp if you're in the US
not sure about australia prices, but it'll probably cost more because australia is a fucking shithole

actually, you can get a HD600 for 330 AUD
https://addictedtoaudio.com.au/products/sennheiser-hd600-audiophile-reference-hifi-stereo-headphones

and an e10k for about 105 AUD it seems

Have a look around, it'll be a bit out of your budget but you should be able to get what you want for about 450 AUD it seems, maybe even 400

other good amps you might want to look into are fulla 2, Monoprice 111567, magni 2, objective 2

I haven't looked into the prices of those and if you can even get them in spiderland, so yeah

Anon from few threads ago. Headphones were making static noises when GPU was under heavy load so was recommended to get an amp/sound card. Was going to get the fiio e10k but blew my saving on Switch. What's a decent soundcard I could get then?

DT990 250 Ohm: €120
DT770 250 Ohm: €118
DT880 250 Ohm: €198

Wtf Beyer?

>>58528279
Huh, what happened? When I bought my 770, the 990 was double the price.

>>58528238

alright sweet, thanks man

>>58528279
>not getting DT990 premium
[hahs externally]

>>58528297
I don't recall the DT990 ever reaching double the price of a DT770 here, but prices surely have dropped a lot.

44.1kHz or 48kHz which i should use

>>58528407
44.1 kHz for standard music
48 kHz for DVDs and games
96 kHz for vynil rips or SACD

>>58528407
44.1kHz so audio doesn't get any airwave interference at the frequency

>>58528407
whichever

>>58528321
> choosing a piercing-trebled unaccurate headphone over the best closed and semi-open headphones in production now

>>58527749
Should I use an amp with msr7's? And is there a mobile amp for max 100$ that you would recommend?

>>58518699
no

>>58528888
no

>>58528267
H-hello? I need some advice.

>>58529458
fiio k1 maybe

>>58528267
>What's a decent soundcard I could get then?
The e10k

>>58528267
Save again, you need an external DAC + amp.

>Budget: 250GBP/$300
>Location: UK
>Source: Fiio e10 from PC
>Type of headphone full sized
>Open or closed open
>Comfort level: quite/very
>Sound signaturenot sure, flat preferably
>Past headphones: HD 598 were great but sounded a bit muddy, ATH AD-900X were good until i listened to the 598s, as now they feel like they pierce my ears with harsh highs. beyerdynamic dt 990 were bassy and fun but sounded fishtanky and hurt to listen to

>>58529458
xonar DGX
but even then if your motherboard is really bad or some shit is going on, you could still have static

>>58529742
hd600

>>58529821
is that even a big enough step up to notice from a 598 though?

>>58529837
then get a 400i
>but that's out of my budget
don't you feel stupid now?

>>58529837
Yes

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-sennheiser-pc37x-gaming-headset?utm_placement=promo_banner&referer=2YVXYC&mode=guest_open

I wonder if this is going to be the second decent headset. Sennheiser used to make some pretty good headsets but they were always overpriced because, well they could get away with it so why wouldn't they.
Now that it's 120$ it might be something to look out for

>they did this instead of another run of the HD6XX

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>Buy HD600 and amp/dac
>It's flatter than loli tits

I wasn't looking for niggabass at all, but these just put me to sleep. There's hardly any life to them, but very detailed. These are nice for genres like ambient, classical/orchestral, jazz, but they're awful for rock, hip-hop, edm, pop, etc

Basically most modern music. Should I EQ them? Or return them?

>>58530130
>tfw people always think neutral is somehow superior and what they should get
>for some reason think V shaped is somehow plebeian or for losers
just revel in being a nigger anon

>>58530130
Return. EQing them won't add detail to the bass, only make it a bit louder. If you want good bass, try get a closed pair of cans next time. (Unless you're willing to spend quite a bit more, where the expensive open ones do have good bass.)

>>58526407

Which senheisser are you talking about?

>>58527937

HD600 which motherboard do you have? You might not need the amp

>>58530190
>>58530200

Any recommendation for $300 and under? Perhaps closed back? I tried the X2, but I had some issues with those. In fact, I haven't been crazy over any of the open back headphones I've tried. Maybe I just like closed cans more.

>>58530314

Hd650 or hd6xx

>>58530314
>Maybe I just like closed cans more.
Eh I know some people like that. I can recommend the DT770 if you're into V-shaped sound signatures, because this really is one. I generally wear this one for electronic music.

>>58530130

They are the easiest shit to EQ, flat is to listen to the actual recorded music, you can look for better music maybe, you can make it more like the HD650 if you want

>>58530200
What a load of bullshit. Where do you think the detail comes from if not how the headphone responds to a signal fed to it? If you counter the shortcomings such as a peak or a dip, a roll off or a rise in the magnitude response, what more is there?

Closed back, if properly done, can have less rollf off and better extension by design but it also makes for some potential issues with seal and resonances in the cup housing. Using glasses or having the wrong shape head could make a closed back lose most of the bass response. It's not explicitly a better solution.

>>58530190
EQ first. You'll have better results this way with any headphone on the market than just trying to find some more enjoyable sound signature. EQ helps and fixes what is lacking effectively.

>>58526407
>Sennheiser veil
What is this?
>high frequency changed
That's vague. Do you think it's the high frequencies which cause this supposed "veil"? Why not just use an equalizer to create a preset which alters the response and you can toggle on the fly?

>>58530190

Neutral somehow sound like the right smart pick, but truly is for monitoring and judging and make music

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>>58530378
>Where do you think the detail comes from if not how the headphone responds to a signal fed to it? If you counter the shortcomings such as a peak or a dip, a roll off or a rise in the magnitude response, what more is there?
Ha ha, oh wow. I bet you judge every pair of headphones by their frequency response curve alone, huh? You are not a clever man.

>>58530314
try dt770

if you want to be a real man, gather up some more money & get https://www.massdrop.com/buy/fostex-x-massdrop-th-x00?1=1&utm_placement=0&referer=2YVXYC&mode=guest_open

>>58526407
Threw together a quick example for you. Obviously exaggerated to some extent, but this is "veil".
https://clyp.it/fpbkrtyc
https://clyp.it/dlwsmuvb

>>58530385
some people prefer it for casual listening as well, but it's the majority
I kind of cringe each time I see someone ask for a neutral headset/headphone recommendation for gaming

>>58530378
>EQ first. You'll have better results this way with any headphone on the market than just trying to find some more enjoyable sound signature. EQ helps and fixes what is lacking effectively.
correct soundprofile > wrong sound profile with EQ > wrong sound profile

>>58530465

But it is still smart to buy one if you learn to EQ

>>58530385
Except when people actually realize it only makes sense to have one single sound signature everywhere so that mixing/mastering can be done consistently, a reference. It's not the headphones' job to make something sound good. Their job is to reproduce what was created. There will always be some individual differences in preference but the vast majority people do prefer neutral sound signature. I don't think it's not a coincidence either.

>>58530415
So do you have an explanation then? What more is there? And no I don't. I think I'm decent at analysis but response is by far the most important bit. That with phase. Distortion might it was displayed on a proper metric. No site that I know of does this.

>>58530474
That just reads: learn to EQ unless the headphones suffer from a significant lack of bandwidth or extreme amounts of distortion.

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>>58530264
every model has a dip near 20khz
>>58530378
>>Sennheiser veil
>What is this?
>>high frequency changed
>That's vague. Do you think it's the high frequencies which cause this supposed "veil"? Why not just use an equalizer to create a preset which alters the response and you can toggle on the fly?
graphic equalizer didn't work on my sound card
>>58530454
thanks anon. first one sounds much nicer though lol, almost like a different instrument

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thoughts on v moda forza? http://v-moda.com/forza/

better in ears that are:
not bluetooth
under 100$?

>>58530532
>I don't think it's a coincidence either.*

>>58530537
>every model has a dip near 20khz
This isn't an area which can be measured reliably. It also isn't an area which has an important or at all audible effect on the sound. Many popular Sennheiser models extend beyond 20 KHz but this really isn't important.

>graphic equalizer didn't work on my sound card
What operating system are you on? If Windows, Equalizer APO will work. Don't bother with graphical equalizers as they are very limited.

Hate to be 'that guy' but I could do with some help from people who know what they're doing.

Just gotten and assembled a classic 47 to go with dt770 80ohm, works perfectly off my phone but when I plug it into my computer I get major interference, sounds like a swarm of mosquitoes.

Don't get the interference without the amp (running headphones direct from computer output) only noise I do get is from mouse moving.
Still get it unplugging everything except tower and amp.
Still get it with the computer off.
Don't get it when I unplug the computer from the wall.
Get it from all the outputs, including pci sound card
Have tried a ferrite bead but makes no difference wherever I put it. Winding the cable actually makes it worse.
Don't get any noise from amp otherwise unless it's connected to pc, even if jammed inside computer case.

What do?

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>>58530532
>What more is there?
Each one of these graphs is equally important, representing how different aspects of the same sounds are represented, and even these do not tell the whole story. To reduce any audio output to a frequency response curve is shameful.

>>58530563
the high frequency end has a bump on my v-shaped headphones and they sound very clear, while my sennheiser 598's sound more muddy. that's enough evidence for me.
also tried APO too and got no sound output

>>58530532

> Except when people actually realize it only makes sense to have one single sound signature everywhere so that mixing/mastering can be done consistently

Well i don't really trust when i see people mixing with m50x or rks 5

>>58530567
>Each one of these graphs is equally important
man I wish I could get the dt880, but they leak more than the hd600 , guess I'll have to get those instead

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Guys, mind if i pop in for a headphone adjacent question? Namely about microphones. Didn't want to start a whole thread fir this.

Wanted to get something cheap to use mainly for gayming, maybe voice recording in the future. A BM800 seems good for the price, but that requires a usb and 3.5 connection. Anyone know if the mic itself has an entrance where i can connect my headphones or am i gonna have to get an adapter to work with my PCs combo jack?

Or should i just get something else entirely?

>>58530567
>Each one of these graphs is equally important
They are not. Not at all.

You can safely ignore all square waves as they are merely a limited way of viewing the information already shown in the frequency response. I have no idea why Tyll includes them.

Impulse response doesn't make much sense either other than showing polarity and the importance of it is another story. The FR is convolved(FFT) from the impulse response. This can be done the other way around too. We look at the FR because it shows the data in much more human understandable manner than IR.

Impedance and phase as a function of frequency are useful when we have the FR.

THD is a useless metric. You can't judge anything from that.

Isolation isn't part of the sound aspect.

Voltage sensitivity is useful.

>>58530620
You should look at the broad bass/midrange hump instead. You need but two peaking filters to correct it.

>>58530537

> every model has a dip near 20khz

IIRC the test cant read well after 10khz, also there is nothing musical after 12khz or below 25hz, only mixers and their stupid effects

so guys, ive been out of the game for a bit under a year. any new huge performers around i may have missed? ive looked at the new edition x v2, but tylls charts show they almost underperform compared to the original, except in the bass i suppose.

>>58530753
Not sure what stuff came out this year, but Schiit updated their Fulla dac/amp a month ago.

>>58530727
then why do only sennheiser do this?

>>58530567
you know what's more shameful? trying to explain things out of your scope and acting smug about it. but i guess that's very much like /g/.

>>58531058
do what? the measurements do not reliably show data beyond 10 khz.

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>>58530727
the frequency dip actually starts before 10khz

>>58530714

What output impedance on amps do?

>>58531100

Look at the raw data, after that they add a compesated curve to reach a certain goal (usually a warm or neutral FR) and then they average it and that is what they show

>>58531164
>average is not a good representation

>>58531190

It is, but the claim is that the dip start at 10khz, the raw one doenst start at 10khz, the averaged is the target

I dont know if its my head but im using the micca origen+ and the HD600, i usually use it at low gain which is 1.72Vrms, and after a while tried hi gain, whichi can go up to 5.72Vrms, i had to lower the cpu volume to get almost the same volume en both low and hi and i think i hear higher bass from high, does it have anything to do with Vrms?

>>58530562
Shure se215

>>58530130
Try hifi HE 400 I/S, people compare them to HD600/650 but with a better bass. You should go to the audio shop and try shit out, that's the only way you can know for shure. Probably try some Bayerdynamocs as well.

>>58531105
Wastes voltage at the amplifier output and if the load(headphones) has low, frequency varying impedance(relative to the amplifier Zout) it introduces linear distortion or in other words, shifts the frequency response. The magnitude and shape of the alteration is shown in the impedance by frequency plot.

Here is Shure SE535's frequency response plotted with multiple Zouts to give you a visual representation:
http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/shure-se-535.php#rw5

Compare the shift to the impedance plot:
http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/shure-se-535.php#rw3

>>58531309
Gain will not alter the response. Use the lowest gain which gives you satisfying listening volume.

>>58515943
We have our work cut out for us. Not just here but in all threads.
>mp3
I want to work on the amplifier stuff first.

Maybe we just refer to the different sounding amp as "defective" or ill suited or something. The issues do basically boil down to
>noise and interference
>output impedance shifts
>low gain
>overload distortions


>>58530567
>Each one of these graphs is equally important
Impulse and frequency response are just duals of each other. The functions are one-to-one, so all it takes is some math to get one from another and back.
However, the "Frequency response" here isn't. It's the averaged value of the magnitude curves mixed together, destroying phase information.
Square waves are sampling the continuous frequency response to create a partial Fourier series. It is a very deficient representation of the continuous spectrum.

Electrical phase and impedance aren't sound aspects. They relate to amplifier load.
Isolation doesn't, not explicitly. It's nice to have though.
THD+N isn't very useful, as simple as it is to perform. Passive headphone don't have significant inherent noise, and the noise level tends to be too high to track ANC/wireless amp noise.


>>58530714
>convolved(FFT) from the impulse response
To clarify:
The frequency graphs are synthesized by FFT, the Fast [discrete] Fourier Transform.

Convolution is taking the total integral (overlap) of two functions sliding against another and tallying the overlap.
If this is too hard, Fourier operations can make hard problems easy. The Fourier transform of the convolution is just multiplying the two functions (convolution theorem).
To make that even simpler, you just add and subtract the two functions by phase and by decibel; they equalize each other.
The compensated graphs are the convolution of the raw impulse with the target function in the frequency domain. IF impulse is raw.

>>58531563

>Gain will not alter the response. Use the lowest gain which gives you satisfying listening volume.

Thanks, what about the amp impedance? also is better to leave the PC volume at the highest volume?

>>58531563

forget my question about impedance >>58531605
, you already have responded that here, but is it better to leave the highest volume?

>>58531563

So an Amp with low impedance is better?

>>58530704
>A BM800 seems good for the price, but that requires a usb and 3.5 connection.
Doesn't need USB. Just anything that takes XLR/3.5.

>Anyone know if the mic itself has an entrance where i can connect my headphones
Nope.

>or am i gonna have to get an adapter to work with my PCs combo jack?
You'll need an adapter.

>Or should i just get something else entirely?
Yes and no. The BM800 is a thirsty bitch in comparison to a lot of other cheaper microphones. You need decent phantom power to run it without having to turn the gain up stupid high and induce a bunch of white noise.

You can get a phantom power supply that gives full 48v for around $12 USD on ebay or Aliexpress. Works absolutely fine, though you'll also need an XLR male to XLR female cable to go along with it. Or you can get a Behrigner audio interface. Theyre cheap, and work quite well with the BM. You can also DIY your own phantom power quite cheaply for like a couple dollars at most, but you need some electrical knowledge or confidence for that. /csg/ can help if you want to go that route.

You may want to look at the Samson Go Mic. A very good small package, though if you do want to get into proffesional podcasting/voice work you'd probably want to go down the route of a BM800 and audio interface. Sony ECMCS3 is also an option if you want a clip on style microphone.

>>58531669
Thanks a bunch dude. I guess I'll get the 800 and a cheap phantom power.

>K7XX drop again
>still no 6XX
Reee

>>58531846
Why would you want that trash?

>>58531846
atleast you can get the headset :^) >>58530073

>>58531639
The lower the output impedance the better.

I got the oppo ha-2 and in order to use the onboard DAC for my tablet/phone, I need to use the same port that also is used to charge the ha-2.

So whenever I have it plugged into my phone, the ha-2 chargers itself from the phones battery.

This shouldn't be a thing, am I retarded or am I simply doing it wrong?

Lost sound on the left side of my k612s. Anyone have any ideas how I could fix this myself?

>>58533180
solder

>>58533703
I have no idea how to take apart the headphones, what to solder and how to put them back together, though.

>>58533797
google

>hey how do I solve this thing that could have a thousand possible reasons

>>58533797
nevermind

>>58533837
how about you google a thousand ways to suck my balls

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>>58534008
no useful results

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So I received this today and was wondering how the hell do they do it? I had honestly planned to just test it out and then return it to get myself some SHP9500's but now I don't want to.

I didn't expect the sound that came out of this thing compared to my desktop to be different at all yet somehow they managed to do it.

Can someone explain to me how the hell this thing is able to reproduce sound better than my desktop itself?

If you're wondering I used Status Audio CB-1's and Superlux 668b's to test the device. I heard a greater difference in the SACB-1's than the superlux's. I haven't tested my M50s on it yet.

Yes, I'm noob as fuck.

>>58534254
A metric fuck ton of factors. Better implementation of DAC/amplification/power really, unless your desktop is using a really fucking weird playback mode.

Its not uncommon for on-board audio to suck shit, though often not to the degree people claim.

>>58534254

are you using the same volume or is it more?

>>58534598
Yea honestly its kind of weird thinking about whats been missed out on. The difference isn't humongous but its there and its noticeable and I love it. It just sounds fuller and clearer. It's nice

I got two questions

how do the DT 770 i 16ohm compare to the DT 770 80ohm

and is the DT 880 32 Ohm better than the DT 770?? and how much less does it isolate compared to the closed back DT 770

>>58534670
When I was A-B'ing my onboard audio and the DACAMP I tried using the most similar volumes. It was really hard to do since I was using borderline eardrum shattering volumes lol. I also have these logitech speakers I bought years ago that has a headphone plug on the side which works with the volume knob as sort of an amp and that sounded better than the onboard audio as well but not as good as my DACAMP so I don't know what to think

>>58534728

how old is your motherboard? when you are A B testing, use lower volumes, is still hard but just focus in the "new details" and see if there is a difference

>>58534709
I've heard taht the 80 ohm version has slightly more low end than the 250 ohm version. Compared to the 16 ohm one I don't know. In my opinion the DT770 is better than the DT880. I've read alot of nicer things about the 770's and I myself prefer closed back headphones as they sound better to me. In terms of isolation probably alot less. The only reference I have are my semi-open 668b's and closed back M50s and Status Audio CB-1s. With the semi-open headphones on I can very clearly hear myself and my surroundings (with nothing playing through them). With the closed headphones on everything sounds dimmer. Even your own voice. I remember switching between the open and close backed headphones and getting disturbed by how much more I could hear myself. It was strange getting use to that. Is the 880 better than the 770? Depends on what you prefer. I would do some more reading on the sound signature until you find what suits you best.

What settings do I use on my PC for a DAC/amp like what kind of volume setting do I want in the mixer before I rely on the amp for volume control? Cheers.

>>58534254
While it certainly is possible, can you pinpoint exactly what is different there? Most common things are noise, distortion, response shift caused by high output impedance and severe roll off in the bass. Any clear difference is a warning sign of really bad equipment but not unheard of.

Sighted listening is generally a really bad way to judge quality of any audio equipment, especially when the gear is something which is supposed to just work(amplifiers, DA-converters) and differences are generally going to be minimal if at all audible. This is in stark contrast to gear which often have a radically different frequency magnitude spectrum(headphones).

Double blinded testing is really the only way to actually find out whether there is an audible difference. It's hard to do properly but it's the only way to rid the cognitive biases.

>>58534796
Not old i recently replaced it after frying my old one. I have the ASUS Z97-A which advertises EMI and crystal clear audio shit for gamers. There was no huge audio quality jump. Sound just felt like it was traveling or feeling through more area (fuller) and just better detailed at louder volumes. I actually tolerate much higher volumes from the DACAMP muchhhh better compared to my onboard audio. Once the onboard audio got too loud I couldn't discern any details unlike from the DACAMP at those volume levels (and even higher)

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>>58534709
>how do the DT 770 i 16ohm compare to the DT 770 80ohm

I haven't used these, but they seem to be a 770 variant using COP drivers and earpads [or maybe these came before COP's], which isn't surprising as the COPs are somewhat designed for 'portable' use. If they're anything like the COPs, they'll just be 770 80Ω's with slightly less detail, more isolating but less comfy pads, and less treble.

>and is the DT 880 32 Ohm better than the DT 770??
Neither is 'better'. They're two entirely different signatures. 770 is V-shape, 880 is vaguely neutral with a peak in the highs.

>and how much less does it isolate compared to the closed back DT 770
880's hardly isolate at all. 770's are pretty good in terms of isolation.

>>58534824
When I tested my DACAMP I just had my volume mixer maxed out as well as my music bee volume controller. I didn't notice any qualitative differences from raising or lowering my volume control in music bee. Didn't try changing the volume mixer controls but I assume its the same. Either way the information is being processed through the DACAMP so you should be fine. I'm no expert though its just my guess.

>>58534824

Ideally on 100% on PC but start with 80% if you hear distortion then go lower, if not go up, if you reach 100% with no distortion then you are set,

On the headphone part, if you find it hard to adjust the volume due the PC volume then go low until you are satisfied with the increments on the DAC, so ideally is to leave the PC fixed and control the volume via DAC

>>58534811
thanks for the advice, i really need them for good sound overall,comfort, and isolation.


thinking the DT 770 M 80 I will do

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F4KWQI/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2L77EE7U53NWQ

>>58534853
A lot less distortion at higher volumes. Fuller sound, like as if the sound were coming from more directions, this ones kind of difficult to explain, imagine like hearing mono and then stereo it was like that type of difference but not as dramatic. Bass felt A LOT nicer/clearer. That's what I noted

>>58534860

>Once the onboard audio got too loud I couldn't discern any details unlike from the DACAMP at those volume levels

sounds like distortion, but that is weird, that motherboard shouldn´t do any. How was the increments on the volume on the onboard? did i get really loud at ver low levels like 15 or something?

>>58534926
np, I actually plan on owning a pair of DT770's in the future myself. I went through the qualms of deciding on which model to get as well. My reasons were for the bass and closed back sound.

>>58534932

This sound like the stereo crosstalk, lol it could happen, it means the DAC has better stereo separation than onboard

>>58534990
I had onboard volume set to max. The DACAMP matched that loudness at around 34/100 volume. So yea, when songs would get loud and noisy the DACAMP handled the sound a lot better compared to onboard at that level of volume.

>>58535022
Interesting, could be. That would make a lot sense

>>58534865
>that pic
Really poor job getting a seal with those 600 Ohm DT770s.

>>58534824
Start by 100% volume on the PC and try if you get a nice enough range of adjustment on the amplifier side. If you find yourself having to be careful with the volume pot or hear channel imbalance because the pot is nearly all the way down, lower the volume on the computer side.

>>58534932
Is there really audible distortion? It's generally going to sound absolutely horrible, harsh. You could do some full scale volume sine sweeps to test the distortion. The rest is really vague but the lack of distortion could be a part there assuming if it is a real problem with the equipment and not your mind playing tricks with you.

>>58535022
I can't remember a single piece of gear which would have alarmingly high crosstalk. It's something manufacturers list in spec sheets as it's super easy to test and often makes balanced outputs look better.

>>58534926
Also in terms of comfort, them DT's are some of the best default comfort you can get I hear. The velour is said to be nice.

>>58535056
>Really poor job getting a seal with those 600 Ohm DT770s.
Yeah dont know what happened there. 600Ω 770's certainly don't sound like that.

>>58535050

you can test it, just hear only one side and make comparations, better stereo crosstalk means less leaking on signal to left and right. Less mono, more stereo

>>58535056
>>58534932 (You)
Is there really audible distortion? It's generally going to sound absolutely horrible, harsh. You could do some full scale volume sine sweeps to test the distortion. The rest is really vague but the lack of distortion could be a part there assuming if it is a real problem with the equipment and not your mind playing tricks with you

Yep, louder parts of songs were harsh. I gave this some thought. I plan on A-B'ing more times throughout the week. I think I have about a month to decide on keeping it. I hope my mind isn't playing tricks on me but if it is, at least its a nice trick that makes the sound coming out of my DACAMP better. I would rather not be able to think that it's better to be honest, that way I could order another set of cans lol

>>58535106
Oh yea I did that, I prefered the DACAMP. I wasnt observing the stereo crosstalk when I was doing that. I did that in order to see if I could hear clarity coming from the DACAMP compared to the onboard audio. Yea, it sounded a little clearer. The biggest differences I noticed during the A-B'ing was the difference in how the low end sounded, and distortion sounded at higher volumes.

>>58535056
>>58534900
>>58534888
Thanks for the advice, my DAC/amp should be delivered in a few hours so I'll hopefully be able to get it sorted.

>>58535188
nice, have fun

>>58535056

>I can't remember a single piece of gear which would have alarmingly high crosstalk. It's something manufacturers list in spec sheets as it's super easy to test and often makes balanced outputs look better.

on gsmarena sometimes they value the stereo crosstalk more than the distortion, and rank it highger on audio quality

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>>58535082
Lack of seal will cause that. More strongly on closed back headphones which rely on the semi-air tight chamber in the cups to achieve bass response below driver's resonance frequency. It's not unusual to see this on measurement couplers with an external ear. The ears used are often stiff and protrude causing the headphone pads to leak some of the air out as they fail to touch the mounting plate or seal on the pinna like in pic.

>>58535283
Without a proper metric related to human perception for each it's really hard to say anything which should be put more emphasis on. Some work have been done on distortion but I know nothing about crosstalk. I have a hunch that it would have to be stupidly high for it to matter.

On mobile devices higher crosstalk when loaded is expected due to tightly packed electronics.

>>58535022
>>58535050
>like the stereo crosstalk
It takes a truly alarming amount of crosstalk to shift the apparent image. At least 20-25 dB below signal. This is at least enough for binaural synthesis and effective crosstalk channel isolation.
If there were a significant crosstalk issue in the audio range without some absurdly low Z load, there would almost certainly be something else critically wrong with it.

If you mute one channel and play something through the other, how much sound can you hear through the muted channel?

>>58535388
None I guess. You've practically lost me at this point. I've turned off left and right before and I definitely only heard audio coming from the respective driver if that's what you're talking about.

>>58535283
>gsmarena sometimes they value the stereo crosstalk more than the distortion
GSMarena is a long way from a technical font of audio knowledge. Their tests miss some really obvious and simple points, and all they would need to buy is an inexpensive multimeter.

>>58535528
>You've practically lost me
Can lapse into jargon, my mistake.
>at this point
New to this conversation.
Crosstalk is the amount of signal that bleeds through the channels electrically.
I don't think that is very relevant here (or in most audio cases).
Crosstalk steadily favors high frequencies, but music tends to slope off with increasing frequency.
It takes a huge amount of crosstalk to shift where the sound seems to coming from. I would sooner blame something else.

>>58536031
Probably not, all I was trying to say was that if I had to describe what I meant by the sound sounding "fuller" it would be that: imagine the difference between mono and stereo but not as dramatic, imagine stereo, but a little more stereo. Maybe I was trying to describe an increase in soundstage by saying that.

>>58530566
Thats EMI the C47 is pretty susceptable to. Ground it with some type of foil around it.

>>58536247
Copper foil tape*

Stuffed a bunch of cotton in the back of my T50rp, it proceeded to kill all of the bass

I just want sub bass that isnt rolled off

>>58536615
Seal the housing, look for pads that don't leak. My expert advice without knowing a thing about the construction.

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