>mfw there are people here who actually use openBSD on their

>>58488861
If that works for them, why are you so bothered?

>>58488861
No idea OP. If you're really set on using a BSD release FreeBSD is a more viable option. To each his own I guess.

>>58488879
Hey Doc, gotta question for ya, what's the best KDE based distro nowadays?

>>58488933
gnome is the better distro

>>58488933
Neon

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>>58488947
>>58488950
Who's the real one???


rlly makes u think.

>>58488985
I have many fans, /g/ is my fanclub

>>58488998
same.

>>58488861
why do you still make this thread

>>58489012
Stop faking my name, nigger

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>>58488893
Might as well just use Linux if you're going to forgo OpenBSD's security

>>58488933
>KDE
lmao

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>>58489104

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>>58489142
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22998852

>>58489175
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=i+will+try+to+quote+a+random+link+so+that+it+appears+I+had+a+reply+to+save+my+face&oq=i+will+try+to+quote+a+random+link+so+that+it+appears+I+had+a+reply+to+save+my+face

>>58489175
Chill, mate.

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>>58489234
this is a good one, too
https://www.gwern.net/Spaced%20repetition

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>>58489315
You seem upset

>>58489104
And deal with systemd? No fucking thanks, I'll stick with FreeBSD.

>>58489384
There is nothing wrong with systemd

>>58489384
Just use OpenRC matey

>>58489384
>deal with systemd
>deal with
>implying systemd is a hassle
systemd is a god fuckin bless

>>58488861
what like two fucking people?

>>58488861
>some server apps
>server apps
>apps

>>58488893
oh you mean botnet freebsd ?

>>58489462
>breaks something every other update
>troubleshooting is a nightmare
>bugzilla's official stance to everything is "lel werks on my machine asshats, t. Harry Pottering"
>suspected ties to three letter agencies

>>58489462
Why systemd over init?

>>58489548
init did 9/11

>>58489596
init just werks though.

>>58489548
systemd is more straight forward and easy to use

>>58489503
>new software has the potential bugs, so lets use old software forever and ever, where the bugs are called features and you fail the software instead of the other way around
>i don't know how to use systemd and I'm either incapable of or don't care to learn something new
>somebody either closed my pet bug or I found somebody else pissed off at the closing of their bug so I'm now going to harbor a grudge
>botnet meme

>>58489142
>read first paragraph
>"sorry, i just wanted to grab everyone's attention. openbsd isn't actually insecure."
What was your point again?

>>58490093

Maybe try actually reading it instead of scanning it without comprehension looking for stupid reasons to ignore it.

Stupid intellectually-dishonest tactics like that is why the democrats lost last November and couldn't figure out why.

>>58490025
The problem with systemd is that the bugs keep returning back all the time, and the devs give zero fucks. Same mentality as why there are decade old open bugreports for Gnome/KDE and I feel great disappointment that you support it

>>58488933
Vanilla FreeBSD + KDE4 or (5 from area51) https://freebsd.kde.org/news.php#itemKDEPlasma585inarea51

>>58489142
>What is a fucking Jail?
The OpenBSD approach emphasizes less attaching permissions to program binaries but more to particular daemon instances.

>>58488861
>apps what are you, 3 years old?

>>58488998
Why so many of us on /g/?

>>58489142

>SELinxu is based on the FLASK architecture, is primarily developed by the NSA

>>58488861

>Someone else does what works for them
>Linux user bitches about it

Desktop Linux users are the atheists of the computer industry.

>>58491662
it's ironic that the only thing lintards ever do is come into our threads to call us shills and post FUD

then they proceed to shill Red Hat shit, it really fires up my neurons

>>58488861
>using openbsd is a hassle

it takes 30 minutes to set up a fully functional system

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>>58492578
>fully functional

>>58493132
if you have a clear idea of what from you system. And a fast enough internet connection. Then yes

It's loads better than FreeBSD as a desktop. The configuration is easy on OpenBSD, and there are less retarded surprises that come from the backwards-compatibility fetish the FreeBSD people have.

>>58493132
>in this image: someone wants to get assraped by proprietary software and is upset that their favorite companies don't produce assrape dildoes for OpenBSD like they do for GNU/Linux

>>58488861
What hassle? It's literally no more of a hassle than using Linux
>install OS
>install programs
>use it

A better question is why do you give a shit what OS others choose to use on their own machines when it affects you in absolutely no way whatsoever?

>>58493132
>tfw a screenshot of your reply becomes a go to image whiny autists

>>58493838
GNU users are insecure about their choices, is all.

>>58488861
Too much missing software packages. It's worse than Debian.

At least there is no systemd

Use Whonix faggots.

Oh good the BSD thread is still up. For any BSD users here, why is FreeBSD viewed by some as too "Linux-like", "the Ubuntu of BSD", etc compared to other BSDs? Is it just because it gets the most exposure among the BSDs so it's an easy target?

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>mfw installing FreeBSD rn

>>58497105
BSD aint free

>>58495185
It's not really viewed that way by any serious members of the community. It's mostly the irrelevant, often miseducated end users who know absolutely nothing about their system that you're running into.

>>58497266
Everyone else with a brain begs to differ.

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>>58497266
BSD is true freedom

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>>58488861
>mfw there are people here who actually use Win10 on their desktop

>>58492578
Takes me 15 mins from arch installer splashscreen to fap time on sankaku channe with a riced i3

>>58495103
i used both operating systems, and whenever something was either too old or missing i just compiled it myself, it's not the end of the world

>>58497266
literally respects all of stallman's essential freedoms, so fuck off

>>58495185
>viewed by some

Because FreeBSD just tries to be a better alternative to Linux, its sort of in direct competition with Linux on every feature.

Most other BSD's have less "general" mission statements.

>>58499429
>using communist vocabulary like the plural of "freedom"
fuck off, plebbtiro

>>58499516
Linux isn't an OS, it's a kernel.

>>58501862
Ok Stallman, but you're missing the forest for the trees. "Linux" has become the generic term for GNU/Linux systems. Arch Linux. Linux Mint. Manjaro Linux. Slackware Linux. GNU is important but these days in most modern distros the GNU stuff is less than 10% of the operating system.

Anybody have experience with TrueOS (PC-BSD) on a laptop? Thinking about giving it a try.

>>58502037
Just felt like contributing something as worthwile as the rest of the thread.

I run FreeBSD, and am toying around with Funtoo in bhyve.

>>58502072
Try it, then. What's holding you back?

>>58501862
>what is a colloquialism

>>58502072
What graphics do you have?

No seriously if you care about hardware acceleration this does affect which *BSD you should use.

>>58502084
Possibly drivers.

>>58502130
Planning on installing it on a Thinkpad X200T, so I believe Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD.

I swapped out the wireless card for one with open source drivers on Linux, so I think that should work fine with BSD as well.

>>58502183
Well your graphics will work out of the box on FreeBSD (and presumably TrueOS too) then. What wireless card?

>>58502256
Atheros AR5B95 AR928

>>58502256
>Well your graphics will work out of the box on FreeBSD
That's not really true.
AMDs released after 2011 (GCN) aren't supported and neither are Intels newer than Haswell (2013).
Have fun with generic driver and no acceleration.

Only nVidia has good support on FreeBSD, and that's only because nVidia did their work for them and released proprietary drivers.

Source: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics#Hardware_Support

>>58502300
Since TrueOS are CURRENT now, it should be supported.

>>58502399
GMA 4500 / 4500MHD is literally listed on the page you're linking. >>>/reddit/, newfag.

>>58502399
>GMA 4500MHD
>Haswell and newer

>>58502427
Neat. Will give it a try this week.

>>58502427
>>58502438
Oh right, I didn't notice you had and old Thinkpad.

It's my biggest gripe with FreeBSD, though. I can't install it on laptop because graphics.

>>58502300
Looks like that's based on the AR9285 chipset, which is fully supported.

https://wiki.freebsd.org/dev/ath_hal%284%29/HardwareSupport

>>58502480
I've said this in many other threads, but it bears repeating: Software has been more important than hardware, all the way back to the 70s. You pick your hardware depending on your software, not the other way around.

>>58502495
This

>>58502495
1. The idea of running FreeBSD on the laptop only occurred to me 2 years after buying it.

2. Every new laptop is unsupported because they either have GCN-based AMD APUs or new Intels. If you want to run FreeBSD on a laptop, you have to buy an older model second-hand.
But I guess that isn't a problem since every FreeBSD developer has a Mac :^)

You have a point there and it would be valid for desktops and servers, but if you want a new laptop you are screwed.

>>58502618
Doesn't FreeBSD have a proprietary Nvidia driver? Why can't you use a laptop with a Nvidia dGPU?

>>58502641
That's not something I'd want to do.
I only use the laptop for coding, browsing, music, and the occasional movie. I don't need a dedicated GPU for any of that and it would only eat the battery faster.
Also, they usually only put dGPUs into 15"+ laptops and that's too big for the intended use.

>>58497266
bsd is too free for gplfags

>>58503595
this

i like BSD but trueos is seriously a meme what the fuck

>>58504670
So don't use it?

OpenBSD provides all of these secure features which is then all laid useless by the fact that OpenBSD has no support for Wayland and has to run on Xorg/Xserver.

If you are using xorg/xserver you can not ever assume your system is not 100% vulnerable to attacks.

>>58504734
they maintain their own version of Xorg for that specific reason

i'm pretty sure openbsd was the first to have a privilege separated Xorg, hell they might even be the only ones to have it

but yes obviously don't run Xorg on a server if you can help it

>>58504734
Which is why Xenocara is a thing.

>>58504757
I was completely unaware of this, I'll look into it. Thank you.

This is what led me to using Fedora/GNOME on my families GNU/Linux machines, the default Wayland.

>>58504789
wayland probably has some good parts about it, like not having some server-client design that makes no sense in 2017

too bad the devs hate anything that's not linux

>>58504770
Is this native to OpenBSD?

>>58505080
a bit, it's pretty much a set of patches that sit on top of Xorg, these patches also allow you to build Xenocara using what comes with OpenBSD, that way you don't have to install gmake just to compile it

What is a breeze for some is a hassle for others
Sorry you struggle OP

>>58505107
Ahh fantastic, i will get onto that now, thanks friend

>>58491681
And GNU users are the vegans.

>>58506127
That is incredibly accurate

>>58495185
Because it enables the use of proprietary software more than any other BSD, which makes it similar to GNU/Linux. It also has a Linux emulator that many people use. The FreeBSD people also often make comparisons between FreeBSD and GNU/Linux when the other projects just don't make any comparisons at all.
I don't really know if it's more like GNU/Linux though, since I don't use GNU/Linux.

>>58495185
>the ubuntu of BSD
Oh great the 2-mainstream process has already repeated and bsd shits are trying as hard as possible to make it shitty and hard-on-purpose to "keep the normies out".

5 years from now
>In order to download S-BSD (Shit-BSD) u have to proove to us u dont have a job, are living on the street. only then when u join our IRC for the 1337th time will we give u a shitty test and only when u pass will we send u a link to the shit-bsd iso. fuck off!!!!!!

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>>58506127
>>58506160
GNU is so harmful that it drives BSD users to commit suicide.

>>58506173
>muh hipster meme

>>58506192
Thread's dead, the shitposter showed up

>>58506219
Thread was already dead, I would have responded hours ago if there was any real discussion.

>>58502399
Nvidia has the worst support for all other OSes though since they only have proprietary drivers.
>>58502641
Yes, sadly the driver is proprietary.
>>58504670
No one uses TrueOS/PC-BSD. Just install FreeBSD and then install Lumina.
>>58504734
>OpenBSD has no support for Wayland
How retarded can you get? Applications support OSes. OSes have nothing to do with application support. Wayland does not support OpenBSD since it has dependencies on the Linux kernel. The people making Wayland are not making it for Unix, they're making it only for GNU/Linux.
As for security issues, OpenBSD has the most secure Xorg implementation since their Xenocara project fixes the major issues, like having Xorg not run as root. Posts above have said the same thing.
>>58504820
>server-client design that makes no sense
It makes sense because it allows you to run a monitor and run a program on two different computers. I've done this before and it's incredibly useful if you own multiple computers.

>>58506254
Actually Wayland runs fine on Unix, just not BSD as they are two different things.

>>58506254
My understanding is that there's no dependency on the Linux kernel it's just a dependency on certain technologies that the Linux kernel currently supports that the BSDs do not all support. FreeBSD might support wayland compositors and applications I'm not sure.

>>58506274
There is no Unix with Wayland, and I can only think of one UNIX that may possibly have Wayland.

>>58506247
No, it wasn't dead. You showing up sealed its fate though.

>>58506296
>Weston only has official support for the Linux operating system due to its dependence on certain features of the Linux kernel, such as kernel mode-setting, Graphics Execution Manager (GEM), and udev, which have not yet been implemented in other Unix-like operating systems.[42]

>>58506325
You were dying for me to post weren't you.

>>58506335
42:
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/plain/README
The Wayland developers don't care about OSes not using the Linux kernel.

>>58506344
I'd much rather never see your trip but I will admit, it's pretty amusing making fun of you for being /g/'s worst tripfag and being scared of girls.

>>58506363
wtf I LOVE wayland now