/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread - CUT THE COMMIE TRIPFAG SHIT

Free namefag

> can't play dvds out of the box

when did linux get so cucked?

>>58466839
Linux is a kernel.

>>58466839
its only you tbqh

Should I try Antergos or Fedora? I heard Redshift is glitchy with Fedora.

>>58466839
It sucks, but it's not linux fault, but rather stupid laws that don't allow you to break encryption.
And DVDs are encrypted.
To uncrypt them (legally) you need a DVD software, where the software provider paid for the keys. In windows and OSX, those keys are bought and provided for by the OS vendor.
And in linux, you have to search for the evil hacker software libdvdcss to break the laugable DVD encryption. Or you see if you can find a paid for DVD player software. I think in the early 2000s, there was a version of realplayer for linux that could legally play DVD.

is Opensue tumblerweed any good?
Herd that it is supposedly very nice and stable from some friends, but I'd guess that as a rolling release it is anything but, by definition.
What gives?

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How do I get wine/playonlinux to open my game on the primary monitor? I can't play this game in windowed mode (i.e. drag it over) because of a bug. Even if I alt tab out and use Cinnamon's "move to other screen" option, it goes back to the secondary monitor when I restore the game again.

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>>58466850
The Linux kernel is only part of the Linux operating system.

>>58467004
Your friends don't know what "stable" means and are probably Archbabies.

>>58467054
Which is a kernel, which can't decide whether or not to play DVDs. You're thinking of a Linux distribution.

>>58467059
They mean stable as in:
>been using it for 5 months now, and haven't had a single crash or weird bug that stops me from working
but certainly not
>certified enterprise®™ stable

Ironically, I am asking this, because I think about distrohopping, since my certified enterprise®™ stable CentOS has now totally shat the bad the second time in the last two months.

Why is hardened linux something you have to patch in? Why don't they just include all those protections in the default kernel? If it was always like that then all software would be written considering it and it would easier for everyone no?


reposting this question I had better get an answer this time or you will all regret it.

/r/linux or /r/linuxmasterrace?

>>58467071
GNU/Linux*

>>58467240
/g/fglt
theyre all the same, pretty much

>>58467240
/r/linux_gaming

>>58464524
Nice try, Dr. Shill - but I'm only the one who posted >>58424569. I do like how utterly infuriated by it you are, though - it warms the cockles of my heart.

Tripreport from Funtoo in bhyve:
It's not too shabby, at all - especially when you can grab march specific stage 3s which saves having to re-compile the kernel.
Need to figure out how to do root on zfs, though - should be possible to dualboot this and FreeBSD off the same zpool since I've got plenty of free space and don't want to run it in hardware virtualization for any length of time.
It's also possible to completely avoid systemd with a bit of messing around (even found a github to help me get gnome3 if I wanted that, although for now I'm sticking to i3).
Oh, and emerge --jobs is possibly the best command line switch one could want for a system that depends on being compiled from source. FreeBSDs portmaster(8) could make use of this - maybe FreeBSD and Funtoo should have the same relationship that FreeBSD and Illumos have; ie. taking inspiration from each others best features (see: jails directly inspired zones, crossbow directly inspired vimage/vnet).

Also discovered glances, which is really nice and available from pkg, so it's going on every one of my FreeBSD systems in a tmux session.

>>58466861
Manjaro.

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Are there any distro that's geared towards malware scanning?

>>58467472
I dont know.
There is a distro geared towards recovery.

>>58467497
>There is a distro geared towards recovery
I know about those.
I used puppy linux on USB flash drive for that.
I need to copy files from external HDD, that's most likely to be infected with malware for windows, to another machine.
I don't want the malware to infect the new machine.

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I love vivaldi but im thinking of dropping it because i think it doesnt support flash on linux even tho its a chrome based bower. anyone has a solution to this ?

>>58467661
Grab streamlink and streamlink-twitch-gui, that lets you use mpv or another player to watch Twitch streams instead of watching them in-browser.
Chatty can be used for chat, so you may also wanna grab that.

>>58467690
I already do that sometimes ; i just wanna know if there is a way to enable flash support in Vivaldi on a linux distro

>>58467703
Can't help you there - I'm one of those people who think flash should die and have it permanently disabled in my browser. I'll rather spend hours working on a work-around, than not use flash.

>>58467661
Hasn't Twitch used HTML5 video for months?

>>58467703
GNU/Linux*

>>58467703
>how to enable malware support on a proprietary browser
can't believe what I'm reading here

>>58466954

decrypt*

>>58466954
Fun fact: Some countries allow you break encryption (by any means necessary) on physical media you own or borrow for the expressed purpose of backing it up.

>>58467661

>uses a free operating system
>goes out of his way and installs something as widely available as a webbrowser that's proprietary and not free

You're an idiot. Let me guess, you fell for the "it's fast!" buzzphrase.

>>58466954
I remember when some fag found out the dvd key and posted it everywhere on the net, kek
I guess blueray isn't that easy

>>58467909
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AACS_encryption_key_controversy

>>58467909
Jon Lech Johansen aka. DVD Jon.

Also, 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0. Why do I still remember it.

Does anyone else hav problems with network manager breaking when the system suspends? I just searched online about the problem and the threads about the bug hav been around since 2012. Do they never fix bugs or what? FFS I'm running ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS which means these things shud be stable.

>>58467942
>Why do I still remember it.
because it only takes a second to search it.

>>58467966
they finally fixed it in 16.10

>>58467995
I mean sure, but I actually do remember it. Why would I lie about that? I stand nothing to gain from it, I'm an anonymous poster just like you.

>>58467995
back in that days people had better brains
we were actually able to save stuff like full phone numbers, it's nearly unbelievable

>>58467966

had the same issue.
It's not Network Manager, it's the applet. At least for me and other people. After returning from suspend, the icon shows no connection while it's still working without problems.
I'm on version 1.4.4 and it works, without that bug.

>>58467896
vivaldi looks very good thats why i use it
>>58467661
if annyone has the same problem ; i actually fixed it by these commands in the terminal :
sudo apt update && sudo apt install chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra

anyone got source on OPs pick? Looks indycar to me. Never see Linux in motorsport

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>>58467661
>flash

>>58468306
the problem in the end wasnt flash ; vivaldi doesnt initially support mp4 format videos

>>58468398
>using your browser as a media player

>>58468424
why would i keep copy , pasting links of short videos which alternate in watching . thats not comfortable at all.

>>58467004
seconding, I'm having issues with babuntu right now and opensuse looks kinda interesting.

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>tfw stuck with Debian-based distros because APT/Synaptic is superior to other package managers
>tfw missing out on Fedora/CentOS, OpenSUSE, and Manjaro because of this

>>58468508
>APT/Synaptic is superior to other package managers
please don't bait me like that

>>58468452
>>58468398
>>58467703
>>58467661
what up with that retarded interpunctation?

>>58468548
im using an azerty keyboard for the first time

>>58467524
Parted Magic can do exactly this

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Since Infinality died, I decided to ditch it before things got too bad.
I followed this guide: https://gist.github.com/cryzed/e002e7057435f02cc7894b9e748c5671

My font in urxvt, GTK (set with lxappearance), and dmenu is Terminus. After I removed Infinality all of those broke. I tried installing

terminus-font-ttf

from AUR but it has issues (lines in urxvt are too far apart vertically, dmenu doesn't seem to find the font at all).

Is it possible to get my comfy Terminus back in a way it was with Infinality? Or at least get something close?

>>58468638
>terminus
>ttf
What? Terminus is a bitmap font.

>>58468832
Exactly. It disappeared from the GTK font picker, so I hat to install the

terminus-font-ttf

package. I assume this is a wrong solution to the problem, so I'm looking for the right one. All this font stuff is confusing.

And before you ask, yes I do have and always had

terminus-font

package installed.

Solus is a fucking meme. Why didn't I listen, /g/? Actually installed it on my laptop

https://dev.solus-project.com/T233

What's the best software to use widgets on Ubuntu 16.04? Conky freezes up a good bit.

>>58468088

>looks good
>browser looking good
An ideal browser would be invisible. Only the web content should be visible, idiot.

>>58468638

>all those guides

Ha ha, no.

>copy-paste that one fontconfig found on the wiki
>install deja vu fonts
>have more than acceptable font rendering now

The majority of you wouldn't even be able to distinguish those and name which one is which. You're almost the same as audiophiles.

>>58468638

There's a thread on the Arch forums. How about you search your distribution's forums first?

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Why do people connect Linux with communism?

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>>58469354
because of this guy

>>58469237
I assume font handling is distro-agnostic. I'm pretty sure I've had this problem with not being able to use Terminus where I wanted to back in my Ubuntu days.

>>58469222
>>all those guides
Your post is a retard's ramble, I'm not surprised counting to 1 is hard for you.

>>58469354
For some reason they regard U.S. patent law as communist.

Can I use 256 colors in ncmpcpp's "song_columns_list_format" or am I limited to the listted 10 colors?

The manpage lists only 10 colors, but bringing up the help window in ncmpcpp shows I can use 256 colors.

>>58469430

It's, but you're using Arch now.

>Your post is a retard's ramble, I'm not surprised counting to 1 is hard for you.
There has been more than 1 guide on how to "bring back Infinality" during this week.

>>58469452

nvm fixed it ;)

https://github.com/arybczak/ncmpcpp/blob/master/doc/config#L186

>>58468638
Terminus is called "xos4 Terminus" for some reason. Solved.

>>58469594
>>58468638
>arch toddlers btfo again

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On Gnome 16.04
I installed Dropbox and this panel appeared on the bottom of the page. I want to remove it. Tell me how.

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>ubuntu developes its own terminal """app"""
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/01/ubuntu-new-terminal-app-snap

>>58469735
What's that snap stuff

How do I get the watch command to play nicely with programs like youtube-dl which update the terminal output?

Instead of printing the progress text being updates, it keeps printing it repeatedly (even worse, with no newlines unlike wget)

>>58469765

Why would you want to use watch with youtube-dl?

>>58466699
>Wire chat - add @helix to get started
What is this?

Can other users in the chatroom see my IP address?

>>58469087
Install Gentoo.

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>>58469865
I use task spooler (http://vicerveza.homeunix.net/~viric/soft/ts/) which allows me to place commands on a queue. I can then print out their output in another terminal.

The other alternative I suppose it to connect the second pane to STDOUT of the running process but I'd have to write a wrapper that can switch when the running task changes.

>>58469735
>linking to a clickbait site

>>58469732
Found a solution. In case anyone needs it, yes, you reading this on warosu. Just install TopIcons extension.

People in this thread are useless.

>>58466699
So, I heard Kali is pretty good for pen-testing (which I need).
Say I'll get a new laptop for 700-800$, will it be good enough to VMware/Vbox Kali and if so what distro should I use as a desktop OS?

>>58470280
Do you really _need_ Kali? I'm sure you can just install the few tools you'll actually be using on your main distro just to save yourself from ever bothering with virtualizing Kali. There's a repo for Arch that has all of Kali programs, so that's an even simpler solution if you choose Arch.

With your main distro choice just stick to mainline, don't go obscure. *buntu, Debian, Arch, Gentoo -- something along those lines.

>>58470940
Thanks, I'll think about that. That's probably true.

Is Linux really as insecure as developers in the community say?

>>58471037
In what aspect?

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I'm using ranger in urxvt with w3m-img for displaying image previews on debian jessie.

Once I select an image in ranger I get those rendering bugs like on the attached picture on the right side and the bottom-right.

Does anyone know what's causing it or knows a possible fix?

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I always see people record a portion of their screen as they click some links and shit and post it as a webm here on 4chan.

How is that done? How do you capture a portion of the screen and then save as webm?

>>58471126
As with anything video related, answer is always ffmpeg

>>58471037
Funny you should say that. I'm downloading a video on that topic here >>58470070

>>58471120
>or knows a possible fix?
abandon hope, image previews in terminal have always been broken and will be broken forever.

>>58471126
SimpleScreenRecorder? OBS?

Conversion of anything to webm can be done with ffmpeg, as already mentioned.

>>58471182
Link to the actual video.

>>58471175
>As with anything video related, answer is always ffmpeg
what's the command line?

>>58471222
yeah, I don't know what they use. I'd like to learn how to create a simple webm when doing something on the screen.

>>58471250
>yeah, I don't know what they use
well SimpleScreenRecorder is what you should probably use.
It's pretty straightforward, can output to webm. There's probably some tutorials if you get too lost.

>>58471250
....please tell me you're not asking what the command line is.

Speaking of the command line, plan9 was kind of neat in that way - if you wanted to take a screenshot you simply did this:

togif < /dev/screen > screenshot.gif

Similarily it had a truly distributed file-system (any remote sources via ftp or any other protocol would be treated just like local files; even to the point that if you had a soundcard in a secondary machine you could simply access it from your current machine by

cat /dev/random >  /dev/snd0

), UTF8 was built-in and even SMP was well-integrated.

Anybody here having problems using lemonbar with bspwm? For some reason it's gone wonky

For one, it fucks with the 'bspc config top_padding' setting, like it reduces the padding by 10 pixels. Secondly, if I have an external monitor connected along side my laptop monitor, and then run lemonbar, everything gets fucked up and I can't figure out why.

>>58467240
>>58467377
You have to go back.

>>58471344
no, just what ffmpeg options to use. there's hundreds of them and I have no idea how to tell ffmpeg to actually capture screen.

>>58471541
Most impressively, Plan 9 was made in 1992 and finished in 1995, making it only one year younger than the entire Linux kernel.
As for the distributed filesystem - consider that it was doing all these things when ceph and the like weren't even a glitter in its creators eyes.

>>58471619
man ffmepg

>>58471633
>man ffmepg
man your mom

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Thumbnails for zips and directories on Thunar how?
File picker with actual thumbnails fucking when?
Automatically passing youtube link to mpv how?
AMD merging their code on the kernel when?

>>58471612
It's a far better place for actual Linux news and discussion than this shitposting arena

>>58471661
Congratulations, you have to go back.

>>58471645
No, man is a command that gives you information on a bunch of stuff, including but not limited to what swithes are available.

Then again, the average linux user is so dumb they can't tell a terminal from command prompt in Windows, which is a pity, because after having been trying Funtoo in bhyve since yesterday, it's a pretty good OS - just too bad about the users.

The system management doesn't load in my virtual machine.
I assume this won't be a problem when I switch?

>>58471619
Google it. Too many options and it depends on your setup a bit. Best idea is to create a bash alias/function for it.

>>58471660
> Automatically passing youtube link to mpv how?
This should work if you have youtube-dl installed.

>>58470156
>believing in "the cloud"
>calling others useless

>>58471742
>Google it. Too many options and it depends on your setup a bit. Best idea is to create a bash alias/function for it.
That's what I'm looking for. An example bash function that does it. I don't wanna waste hours trying to decipher some obscure option from outdated man pages that don't even have the info I need.


>>58471707
you're a fucking moron.

>>58471826
I'm not telling you to google man pages. Google examples of screen capture using ffmpeg.

>>58471826
Why thank you for proving my point.

>>58471126
everyone has their methods, i use ffmpeg.

#!/bin/sh
r='\033[0;31m'
nc='\033[0m'
b='\033[0;34m'
g='\033[0;32m'
lb='\033[1;34m'
date=$(date +%H_%M)
printf "${lb}Videosize${nc} ${g}[1280x1024]:${nc}"
read size
printf  "\n${lb}Framerate${nc} ${g}[30]:${nc}"
read frames
printf  "\n${lb}Bitrate${nc} ${g}[2M]:${nc}"
read bit
printf "\n${lb}Position${nc} ${g}[0,175]:${nc}"
read pos

size=${size:-1280x1024}
frames=${frames:-30}
bit=${bit:-2M}
pos=${pos:-0,175}

printf "\n$size @ $frames.fps $bit/s at $pos"
printf "\nHit [${g}Return${nc}] when ready, [${r}Q${nc}] to quit:"
read hit

if [[ "$hit" = "q" || "$hit" = "Q" ]];then
        exit 0
else
        ffmpeg -loglevel error -stats -video_size $size -framerate $frames -f x11grab -i :0.0+$pos -c:v libvpx -b:v $bit $date.webm
#       ffmpeg  -video_size $size -framerate $frames -f x11grab -i :0.0+$pos -c:v libvpx -b:v $bit $date.webm
fi

>>58471707
GNU/Linux*

>>58471842
>Google
enjoy your botnet

>>58471856
Not a bash script, not sure the anon in question will understand it.

>>58471863
Ugh.

>>58471856
thanks anon!

>>58471878
>not sure the anon in question will understand it.
I do understand it but you're obviously too autistic to detect when ppl are fucking with you. time to pop some more autism pills.

>>58471856
>#!/bin/sh
>bash syntax
>unquoted variables
>wrong usage of printf
jesus christ anon

>>58471788
Teach me familia.
I just F6, ctrl + c, alt + tab, mpv ctrl + shift + v.

>>58471900
Please tell me how much you owned me, sempai.

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>>58471842
>Google
lmao wtf

>>58471089
Many aspects, even as a whole. Some implementations are more robust than others, of course.
>>58471247
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T1LoHTZDvs
Lazy bastard

>>58471935
>image.jpg
>falling for the ddg botnet
>>>/r/eddit

btw, check out who gabriel weinberg is

>>58471907
okay

>>58471907
everyone starts somewhere

>>58471949
nobody actually knows if DDG is spying, it's all just paranpia

>>58471921
Oh you mean from the browser? If you use Firefox this addon works well

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/watch-with-mpv/

If you check the github page, it's actually a very simple addon. I've been wanting to use it as a template for running other commands form the browser but I haven't had the time to try yet.

>>58471939
>xinput grabs rawkeypress and rawkeyrelease globally, no matter what
I mean, I knew that xorg was insecure and a piece of shit, but that's just fucking ridiculous.

>>58471949
>falling for secure search engines
What's wrong with that and I know Weinberg, I've talked to him before. He's an alright dude.

What do you use?

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>>58472047
He's referring to pic related.

>>58471939
>even as a whole
But what does that even mean?

As a server, it's more secure than windows (because that's what it's been used as more -> targeted more -> protected more).
As a desktop, it's less secure than windows (because windows is used more -> targeted more -> protected more).

Linux on desktop will keep being less secure than windows at least until Wayland fully replaces a pile of shit that is Xorg. Then it'll be a matter of something deeper, like enabling SELinux or patching your kernel with grsec.

>>58472043
There's another add-on called open in livestreamer (which now needs a little modification to use streamlink instead).

>>58472047
Maybe that anon uses Yahoo!

>>58472043
>I've been wanting to use it as a template for running other commands form the browser but I haven't had the time to try yet.
check out the "open-with" addon, which is basically the same thing, but allows running additional programs, scripts, whater you want

>>58472096
>>58472080
Those look like great addons. Cheers!

>>58472072
GNU/Linux*

>>58472068
Ah. I knew about the names database thing but this just seems like a bunch of assumptions. Meh.

>>58472129
GNU/GNU/Linux*

>>58472043
That looks great. Thanks anon.

Does anyone have experience with Gentoo on old laptops? I have an old Dell that I use with Arch, but I feel like something more minimal would be nice, and the mythical 5% performance increase might even help.

My only worry is that compile times take a LONG time on my Core 2 Duo. It goes faster if I do make -j2, but I don't know if I can do that with emerge or portage or whatever it's called.

I am pretty much only going to use the following programs: some wm, emacs, g++, some music player, probably minitube, and probably otter browser.

>>58466699
>CUT THE COMMIE TRIPFAG SHIT OUT EDITION
>still shilling wire chat

>>58472161
>j2
faster than j1 ,obviously. but the laptop might be unusable when compiling

>>58472186
It already is unusable with one job.

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>>58472161
>otter browser
What's that? Sounds funny.

>>58472096
Holy shit, open-with is everything I've been looking for. Thanks!

>>58472161
Found this out while instaling Funtoo in bhyve, it's listed in their install document on http://funtoo.org/install:
Add MAKEOPTS="-jN" to /etc/portage/make.conf where N is the number of threads your CPU has, plus one based on a rule of thumb according to them (so your milage may wary).

>>58472209
my condolences. may aswell use j2 then

>but I don't know if I can do that with emerge or portage or whatever it's called.
/etc/portage/make.conf
MAKEOPTS="-j2"

I have to say, funtoo is really good - it's complex enough that you don't encounter the kind of users that should've stuck to Windows, it has a complete lack of systemd, and comes with pre-made specific architectures of the stage3.

>>58472228
It's a browser that tries to recreate old Opera with qt5. It's in beta at the moment and you have to compile it from source. Which is a nightmare because the qt sdk sucks. But it's damn good, especially for a browser that isn't even in version 1.0 yet.

>>58472251
Thanks. In general people recommend that you use one to two more jobs than processors, but I don't trust it man. Creating more threads than processors makes your processor alternate between threads every couple of cycles.

>>58472300
That's not quite how it works with the scheduler. Essentially what you're doing by making compiling parallel is just giving the scheduler the optimum amount of choice in scheduling jobs so that cpu caching gets used most efficiently, as it's the schedulers job to move programs around on each core, but not so much that the cpu per-core caching gets wasted.

>>58471676
Spotted the newfag

>>58472394
>first post in thread
>shitposts
well then

>>58472394
Spotted the mouth-breathing mongoloid

>>58472394
You have to go back.

>>58472444
check out >>58472408 for tips and tricks on posting

>>58472394
>>>/out/

pls go

>>58472394
Unless you can prove that you're Black_Knight, Lain, Captain Cornflake, Manly tears, Dead, or 5hoe, you're probably also a newfag.

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How do I get it working under Linux? I'm about to order one and want to know how easy/hard it is to install it.

Already have BT4.0 dongle working just fine...

Don't let me down /fglt/!

>>58472512
iirc they're basically locked down to basic functionality unless paired with macos

>>58472512
>it
>look a picture
>no idea what it is
>look at filename
these inside questions always blow over me

>>58472548
rgis. it might save your life one day.

>>58472512
get a wacom bamboo, they work decently under xorg with a bit of configuration

>>58472564
>rgis
>save your life
nope

>>58472590
Well, prevent you from looking like a fucking retard, then.

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>>58471660
>Thumbnails for zips and directories
Anyone? I have video with ffmpegthumbs, I'm just missing zips/7z/rar/etc and directory's first thumbnail for reference. Even fucking pdfs have thumbnails now.

>>58472600
>looking like a fucking retard
then we'll match

whats the best rss reader for linux and i want something mainstream and reliable and not obscure shit

>>58472537
>iirc they're basically locked down to basic functionality unless paired with macos
As long as I can click and move the mouse pointer around, I'm fine with it.

I think the problem is that most Linux DEs don't support gestures. There's nothing "locked down" about that thing. It just sends signals and people have easily decoded them.

>>58472548
reverse image search.

>>58472584
I want this thing. one guy uses it with Windows 10 at work and it's godly. clicking and tracking works perfectly on it. it's glass and aluminum and I really like the way it feels. I don't want a wacom digitizer and don't want to fuck around with pens. I want to use it as a mouse replacement.

>>58472628
tiny tiny rss

>>58472628
newsfox is an add-on for firefox that functions as an rss/atom reader and doesn't require you to host anything on a seperate server

>>58472633
You can't even right-click with it, only x/y movement and left-click.
I have a wacom bamboo, it works with touch gestures too, not just a pen.

>>58472684
i use a chromium based browser ; any good rss addon for it ?

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>>58472684
wacom bamboo is too plasticky. I saw one at BestBuy years ago and it felt like it was built like shit. I'd like something quality. Only questions is will it work.

These are the touchpad settings. I don't have a touchpad right now but I worry that none of this shit will work with MagicTrackpad.

I wonder if anyone has any exp with it... don't wanna buy it and then spend a week fucking with conf files only to have to return it...

>>58472694
I've never used chrom(e|ium) - stuck with firefox, even through the bad years.

>>58472726
....don't you think you should buy a Mac instead, with that theme and the desire for a trackpad?
That said, I dunno - I use FreeBSD as my primary OS and I'm not used to the GNU/Linux way of doing everything in UI. I've just been trying out Funtoo for a bit in bhyve.

>>58472836
No. I'm more than happy with Linux. No need to spend money on Mac HW.

>>58472905
Well, it's just that it looks suspiciously like macOS, when you have so many other options - mind you, I have a Macbook Pro; I just mostly have it dualbooted into FreeBSD because I'm tired of macOS.

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>>58471660
>Thumbnails for zips
I've been meaning to do this for ranger. Give me a few hours, I'll do it later.

>>58472934
What exactly do you plan to do? If a zip has image files, show the thumbnails?

>>58472934
Based anon.

>>58471660
>AMD merging their code on the kernel when?
When kernel development stops being a hostile environment and everyone isn't mean.

>>58472928
>Well, it's just that it looks suspiciously like macOS
can you post trackpad settings for macOS? I've never even seen them.

>FreeBSD
that's good for servers only. don't even try to use that as a desktop OS unless you enjoy pain and wasting time trying to move mountains.

I can't understand systemd services. My use-case is very basic: I have a script that backups up one of drive to another using rsync, it's 4 lines of bash. I want it to run, say, once a week, even if no user is logged in. What should my target be? What is even a target? What should I require?

>>58472905
GNU/Linux*

>>58473105
use a systemd "timer", not a service
they work similarly to cron

>>58473105
Look up timer

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/Timers

>>58473131
>>58473149
Thanks anon, this is exactly what I wanted. But it still requires a .service with the same name, right? Won't I still have to define targets?

>>58473074
I got FreeBSD set up for desktop use in 20 minutes going in blind with only gentoo experience. Git gud.

>>58473131
>>58473105
sorry, a timer to run a service

so, the service does the backup, and the timer is the trigger for when you want it to run

here's one simple one i've made myself, really basic example;
emby-defrag.service

[Unit]
Description=Defrag Emby's data folder

[Service]
Type=oneshot
ExecStart=/usr/bin/btrfs fi defrag -r /var/lib/emby/

emby-defrag.timer

[Unit]
Description=Defragment Emby's data folder

[Timer]
OnCalendar=daily
Persistent=true

[Install]
WantedBy=timers.target

>>58473173
>I got FreeBSD set up for desktop use in 20 minutes going in blind with only gentoo experience. Git gud.
define "set up".

no wifi, no BT, no good graphics drivers etc... the list is fucking endless.

"git gud" should mean "write your won drivers" and then I'll consider your advice useful.

like I said, FreeBSD is only good for servers and VMs.

>>58473178
Don't you have to define in the .timer that it has to run the corresponding .service? And I have to enable both in systemctl right?

>>58473238
the timer runs the service with the same (file) name
not sure if you can specify another, probably can, read the timer docs to see what's available

only the timer needs to be enabled

>>58473271
Thanks, I'll check it out.

>FreeBSD for servers only
That's some Grade A koolaid, there. If you want the truth of the matter, read the following - if not, ignore it and go back to shitposting; I don't really give a fuck, but here goes:
FreeBSD is just just as good as a desktop OS if you aren't a complete retard who refuses outright to do any research for themselves, and just expect to be able to copy-paste everything. This is because FreeBSD, just like GNU/Linux, is POSIX-compatible (although Lennart Poettering of systemd fame wants this to change, just like he wants linux to be 1 OS). As such, anything that can run on Linux (the kernel) can run on FreeBSD - either natively or through the Linux Compatability Layer (with the exception of Steam, because Valve in their infinite wisdom chose not to use AMD64 but only i686) - and in fact, there's over 26000 pieces of software available in ports, a repository that freebsd uses for its package manager (it's complex, but basically the FreeBSD foundation hosts servers and provides bandwidth for poudiere jails to regularily compile every single port into a package which then gets offered via pkg.freebsd.org to the world for anyone to download - think of it as emerge/portage and apt/rpm combined into one system). Among all this software, there's xorg, over 100 wms, and most every kind of other application you could wish for on a desktop OS.

Which, I might add, I've been using FreeBSD for for +15 years.

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>>58473074
>can you post trackpad settings for macOS? I've never even seen them.
You can find them on the internet.

>>58473173
I've been trying out Funtoo (because I wanted to avoid systemd), and *too is about the best way to be prepared because if you use that you're used to searching for solutions to your problems and using official documentation (the handbooks).

>>58473106
Do you spend your entire day making posts like these? Not criticising, just curious.

>>58473231
This is demonstrably untrue. Wifi is included in bsdinstaller, for fucks sake. See attached image. It has the same graphics drivers that Linux does, with the caveat that the iGPU on the very newest hardware is a bit behind, but who the fuck uses iGPUs anyway.

>>58473178
rip cron

>>58473292
>This is demonstrably untrue. Wifi is included in bsdinstaller, for fucks sake. See attached image. It has the same graphics drivers that Linux does, with the caveat that the iGPU on the very newest hardware is a bit behind, but who the fuck uses iGPUs anyway.
there's literally HUNDREDS of wifi adapters. what you're showing me is bullshit, anon. I fucking guarantee you it won't work with most of the consumer wifi chipsets.

Even under Linux, I had to compile a driver and modify the kernel to get the latest firmware working because the old one was interfering with my USB3 chipset (they use the same frequencies).

FreeBSD is a fucking nightmare for DE use.

>>58466861
Xubuntu

>>58473105
Why not use crontab?

>>58466861
Fedora. As far as distros go, it covers the broader spectrum of users I've seen. I used it first as a total nix noob and I use it today, 5 years later, as a more experienced one with a job as a sysadmin. Gnome works great on it.

No clue about redshift though.

>>58471120
I get this in termite, xfce4-terminal and gnome-terminal on stretch, abandon all hope is probably about right.

>>58473292
>>58473283 was intended for >>58473074

>newest hardware
Newest CPUs

>wifi, >>58473329
The other caveat to this is that FreeBSD doesn't ship with wifi firmware for wifi nics that require the OS to load the firmware into the NIC (which is more common - and something that disqualifies most Linux distributions from being GNU because firmware is inheritly non-free and binary), and that FreeBSD only includes drivers for NICs which are verified to work properly with FreeBSD, ie. not consumer NICs such as realtek, broadcom or qualcom that doesn't function half the fucking time.

As I've said multiple times in the BSD threads - software was more important than hardware even as far back as the 70s, and that remains true today.

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is there a way to see the type of file system under the properties in thunar?

I used to rename files with a single left click on windows. how can i do it on gnu+linux?

Thanks guys

>>58473329
>FreeBSD is a fucking nightmare for DE use.
Or maybe you're just too stupid.

I've made the effort to try out "the other side", and have found it better than I expected, but not as good as what I'm used to.

>>58473384
>Or maybe you're just too stupid.
LEL... and just maybe I'm way smarter than you and value my time and don't want to waste months trying to get binary drivers, which work OK under Linux, work under FreeBSD through their "compatibility" layer that works like crap.

>>58473329
GNU/Linux*

>>58473424
If your time is that valuable, why are you shitposting on 4chan about a topic you demonstrably know very little about.
You've already demonstrated that you're too stupid to realise what a compatability layer is - so I'm convinced that you're not as smart you think you are. You even make your UI look like macOS just because you think this makes you look cool.

>>58473424
Also, I don't waste months getting shitty hardware to work, I buy proper hardware that I know works for my software platform. That's what the HCL is for.

>>58473482
>>58473499
someone got triggered.

and what the fuck are you doing in a linux thread shitposting about *BSD?

>>58473433
"GNU/Linux" is too confusing, especially for new users (they may think "why should I add that GNU to my Linux OS?"). Just call the OS by it's correct name, which is just "GNU" and only mention the kernel when it matters.

>>58473534
kek

>>58473424
Work OK is not acceptable. Once I've setup a system, I expect it to run for years without me having to put up with various outages caused by stuff only working okay.
FreeBSDs main charm point is rock solid stability - something that very few other OS' deliver on, especially not GNU/Linux with systemd that breaks core unix philosophies (pid1, "do one thing and do it well", and many other things), and especially not when it supports drivers and firmware that's literally anyone's guess as to how stable it is, or isn't, as the case may be.

>>58473530
Because GNU/Linux users shitpost in the BSD threads all the time, and because I'm fucking bored because my system runs too stable to give me anything to worry about.

>>58473534
GNU/kFreeBSD. kek. Speaking of which, I found the one user who still uses it.

>>58473557
>my system runs too stable to give me anything to worry about.

So you're running macOS? my nigga.

I'm playing around with urxvt trying to make it look nice but for some reason the colors I stole from some other nerd's config file don't actually work, the terminal is still just white text on a black background. Did I miss something while installing urxvt? Made sure I linked it but it's like all hex codes aren't working for some reason.

>>58473588
Ha, I see what you did there.
It's on my Macbook Pro, but that's currently booted into FreeBSD because I got fed up with it.

What does /g/ think of command line browsers like lynx, links, links2, elinks, w3m, etc?

>>58473596
post your .Xresources

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>>58473433

$ uname
Linux

Even the name of my distro, Arch Linux, calls itself Linux. Deal with it, commie.

>>58473596
>urxvt
I gave up on it because not even freetype works with it.

just install xfce4-terminal and enjoy superior terminal experience.

>>58473534
the problem here is that (technically) both gnu and linux are (incomplete) operating systems
only the combination makes a complete system, so "GNU/Linux" is better

there are systems with other combinations like gnu with kdfreebsd or gnu with hurd or busybox with linux - that's the thing when many projects thrown together make a complete project, unlike windows, where everything including the kernel, userland, whatever is a single project

>>58473625

URxvt*background: #151718
URxvt*foreground:#d6d6d6
URxvt.scrollBar:false
URxvt.url-launcher:/usr/bin/firefox
Urxvt.font: terminus: size=10

That's all it is so far.

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>>58473636

>>58466699
>Friendly GNU/Linux Thread
>GNU
I like RMS and all, but he doesn't deserve to have his name in one of the biggest collaborative projects of all time.

>>58473534
gnu is just some of the stuff i run atop linux

the only thing i use windows for now is to run solidworks, so i suppose i should just say i'm running the solidworks os, right? windows is just the thing in the background solidworks needs to run on

>>58473690
thanks for turning a sane discussion into bait

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>>58473685
>MUH BUTTHURT
you might as well

alias uname="echo GNU/Linux"

if you're so butthurt over it. It's Linux. Deal with it.

>>58473685
Matrix ruined green text terminals, stupid normalfags.

>>58473736
First Matrix was nice.
There are almost no accurate depictions of tech knowledgeable humans.

>>58473736
Agreed, solarized is where it's at.

Speaking of, Alacritty is probably my new favorite terminal.

>>58473781
Animatrix actually adds a lot of interesting stuff to the universe, even if you prefer to disregard the second and third movies.

>>58473676
shoudln't it be

URxvt.background: #151718
URxvt.foreground: #d6d6d6

Also, is urxvt compiled with 256 color support?

>>58473690
Anon, listen, RMS made the GNU system, he named it "GNU". When you install Bonzybuddy on GNU, it doesn't change the name to BonzybuddyOS, or mpvnix, or firefoxix or whatever you run on that system and in the same way using it together with a kernel like Linux, doesn't change the name either. The whole idea of having a free system like UNIX with pipes and all that jazz was RMS idea and was made real with the GNU system.

>>58473824
nice english

>>58473801
Yeah, Alacritty with Dejavu Sans Mono is good stuff.

>>58473824
I hope you probably didn't mean to imply this, but pipes wasn't RMS' idea. Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson are the originators of the philosophy of piping stuff around.

>>58473848
Err, Douglas McIlroy.

>>58473835
Thanks

>>58473848
Yeah, my pov was at:
>a free system like

Btw, is it true that only OS X is allowed to call itself UNIX?

>>58473927
yep the trademark 'unix' was bought by applel

>>58473927
>is it true that only OS X is allowed to call itself UNIX?
Yes. OS X is fully UNIX-conformant and pays for the associated certification.
Linux is only UNIX-like and wouldn't be granted the certification even if someone payed for it.

>>58473947
>>58473971
made me curious, is there a way to get the old real unix and play around with it?

>>58474012
http://www.jbox.dk/sanos/pdp11.htm
google turned up this, haven't tried it myself

Pipes! Quesion: When I run:
command1 | command2
Is there a way to pipe the output of command1 only to command2 when command1's exit is 0 and otherwise it just stops?

>>58473808
Holy fucking shit you've gotta be kidding me.
No joke, I swear that every example online looked like what I posted. Thanks for the help.
Now I just have to figure out why LXDE's display manager is still here even though I purged every LXDE component.

>>58474089
you'd need to store the output and let command1 exit before deciding to run command2, so a pipe won't work here

untested example of something you can do

ftemp=$(mktemp)
command1 > $ftemp
if [ $? == 0 ]; then
        cat $ftemp | command2
else
        echo command1 exited with error $?
fi
rm $ftemp

>>58473676
>>58474109
Why not just use something like:
http://ciembor.github.io/4bit/
to generate your .Xresources?

>>58474089
For your problem, a pipe doesn't seem like the right approach since you are waiting for command1 to exit. You can for instance, write command1 into a temp file, then check exit status and decide what to do.

>>58474039
just tried it with virtualbox, got it to boot and it's pretty interesting

>>58474089
lazy? xargs -r

$ printf faggot | xargs -r cowsay
 ________
< faggot >
 --------
        \   ^__^
         \  (oo)\_______
            (__)\       )\/\
                ||----w |
                ||     ||
$ false | xargs -r cowsay
$

>>58474183
Best solution

>>58474109
have you logged out and back in after switching dms'

>>58474183
The command could write into the pipe and then fail, right?

>>58474183

  -r, --no-run-if-empty        if there are no arguments, then do not run COMMAND

that only works if command1 outputs nothing on failure, which may not be the case (for example, decompressing a corrupted file may output some of the file before stopping)

>>58474089
wtf i hate unix now

So total newb here. What exactly is the point of lunix anyway? I know you have more control over things and stuff but what does linux offer that windows doesn't?

>>58474198
I don't want to switch DMs, just start at a terminal and use startx or something. LXDM or whatever looks really bad so I'd like to start on something that fits aesthetically. But yeah, I've rebooted like twenty times and looked up what it could possibly be. Unless grub has something I need to change it's just stuck going to that hideous login screen every time.

>>58474162
It's like a cycle. I see a nice desktop and immediately think "oh man I want my tiny linux laptop to look like that!" and end up wasting like half a day trying to copy but I always screw something up and just default to LXDE.

>>58474089
not a real solution, but if bash enable set -o pipefail, it doesn't stop piping, but it returns 1 when ANYWHERE in a pipeline something errors, not just on the last command
imho it should be dropped into every bash script

>>58474301
it's cost free without having to pirate, so no security issue there, which brings us to security in general, there's less malware written for linux and you have to expressly give shit permission to do anything
and it makes a nice timekiller if you're into computers

>>58474323
you'd be better off using a base installation and installing just what you want instead of trying to strip out things you don't want from a more robust installation.

Thanks all, seems checking $? like mentioned here >>58474158 is the only sane solution

>>58474328
that might do for him, but it depends
it would allow for cleaning up whatever happened... if that's applicable
if command2 does something irreversible, then this won't be good enough

>>58472163
>t. skype shill

>>58474387
>not using and shilling franz, the new hotness in messaging

>>58474387
wire isn't free either

also everything centralized sucks balls
ring, tox, jitsi is the good stuff

>>58474410
GNU/Ring*

>>58474410
Ring is now a official GNU program.
It's pretty cool: https://ring.cx/

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Why is there no fglt irc channel?

>>58474361
Yeah I've begun to realize that. Just a pain in the ass doing that each time. Hopefully this'll be the last.

>>58474410
is tox still popular on /g/?

>>58474386
> if command2 does something irreversible, then this won't be good enough

Just reminded me of a scare I had a some time ago. I had a folder unsorted of images I recovered. Naturally it included random images like thumbnails.

So to get rid of small images, I did something like

find . --size -1M -print0 | xargs -0 rm

and to my horror . was one of the files. No idea if it would have worked but I'm glad I didn't -rf. Haven't used rm since. Now I use trash-put.

>>58474445
there was, nobody cared, later the channel was just a redirection to #sqt and later it disappeared

>>58474445
Because IRC is dead, less secure and a piece of shit.

>>58474449
also in regards to your current situation, not the solution you're looking for but lxdm can be themed to not look so ugly, alternately you could set it to autologin

>>58474479
Oh really to both of those? Lemme look into this.

>>58473781
>matrix
johnny numonic was the superior keanu technology movie

>>58474466
"." refers to the current directory
you'd probably want to add "-type f" to only include /files/ (then clean up residual empty folders with an "rmdir" pass, which only removes empty dirs)

>>58474499
regular files, i should say

>>58474499
Yeh that probably would prevent the issue, but it really made me realize the permanence of rm before I lost something important.

>>58474542
yea, have to be very sure what will (and CAN) happen when running rm, especially as part of a script

>>58474089
set -eo pipefail

>>58474477

What do you recommend?

>>58474605
A decentralized carrier pigeon system.

Telegram or signal? What messaging/chatting platform would we prefer?

Decentralised shit is not really useful here, since we are not handling sensitive info

>>58474708

Something easy and somewhat anonymous.

Hey guys, I'm about to jump into using Linux for my main operating system for the first time. So far, I've played around with xubuntu in a VM a little bit, but that's it.

So, people here seem to really like Arch linux. What are its pros vs. something like xubuntu?

>>58474755
Arch is not a good first timer distro, while *buntu is a very sane choice

Hey is anyone looking for a junior sysadmin/devops guy? I hate my current fucking job and would love to fully dive into the Linux ecosystem. Currently working with LEMP stack but still have to do frontend shit.

>>58474755
I use Gentoo, not arch, but they share some of their benefits.

The most obvious one being that they don't make many assumptions about what you want. When you finish installing you have nothing, no desktop, no GUI's, no ability to even run GUI's.
You get to make a choice on all the components that make up your system.

>>58474755
If you go with something Ubuntu-like, you not only get an easy and quick start, but the option of switching desktop environments later on if you want something lighter than unity.
XCFE is popular and I personally love LXDE (lubuntu) for old or low-power machines.

>>58474781
How bad is it for first-timers? I would like a dist that isn't suuuuuper easy/ i.e. would let me play around and learn about the system and be very customizable, but I do also just want to be able to get work done without too much hassle when I need to.

>>58474879
You actually have to know how to use CLI portioning tools, how to make file systems and how to edit grub (if on EFI system and you are dual booting). You also should know what these two do '>' and '>>'.

I'm not saying it's hard to lean those basics but if you already do not know you are in for a journey. Good luck

>>58474879
Past the install and setup it's not particularly a different experience than any other distro.

>>58474838
I do like the sound of that (I absolutely loathe unnecessary bloatware). But while I don't mind getting my hands dirty, would the arch documentation be enough to guide a first-timer through that process, and help me make my choices?

>>58474879
They're called "distros" for a reason. They're just distributions of software. You can customize and change any of them just as much as any other.

The real major differences between distros are the initial setups and their package managers (most importantly what software is available in repositories for those package managers and how they are configured out of the box, although for most of the large distrso you don't really have to worry about availability, they pretty much have everything)

>>58474940
It should be yeah. Arch is kind of famous for having really great documentation.

If you're not completely tech illiterate it should be fine. Basically you just go "oh fuck, I need a desktop: google, how to install desktop on arch", follow instructions. Shouldn't give you any trouble at least for setting things up.
Beyond that though be aware that you might run into problems and not be able to find solutions without asking for help on forums or IRC.

>>58475041
>Arch is kind of famous for having really great documentation.
I don't run Arch myself, but their wiki is legit.

>>58475052
I'm pretty sure every Linux user regardless of distro has been saved by the Arch wiki at least a few times

>>58475041
Not completely tech illiterate, but not super literate either (can do python/js/use powershell all the time /upperlevel stuff/etc.) I'm confident I can figure everything out by googling my way through it, my only worry is that I'll be bashing my head into a wall for days on end. This evening for figuring out setup would be fine, though.

>>58474755
Arch is not as hard as some people make it seem, just make a couple of VMs for practice if you're not sure of what you want to do.

The downside, at least for me, is that you don't have everything out of the box, which can be a pain in the ass depending on how many things you need

stupid question here, i'm searching for the i386 debian testing netinstall iso but can't find the correct download, the page is a bit confusing...

>>58475082
GNU/Linux*

>>58475644
Thanks

>>58475634
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/stretch_di_alpha8/i386/iso-cd/debian-stretch-DI-alpha8-i386-netinst.iso

is gentoo good for ricing?

>>58476741
yes

>>58476741
I installed it a couple days ago. You build everything from the ground up, so it's good to have an idea of what you want before you start. I wouldn't say it's more difficult, but it takes longer.

>>58476741
Gentoo is rice

>>58476741
Gentoo is for ricers

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Can anyone help me with my alsa config?
I can get it working, but my asoundrc is missing something. When I boot, IEC958 is unchecked and sound doesn't work until I check it, and it resets after rebooting. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

inb4 new thread when we're not autosaging
inb4 this very post triggering new thread out of spite

Why do most generals have to make a new thread right away? Aren't most already here or searching on the catalog already? It's not like /g/ is fast in the first place.

>>58476923
>>58476923
>>58476923

>>58476905
Newfags get stiffy's when they're the OP of a general. Makes them feel like they've made a difference on 4chan and somehow it makes them less of a newfag

>>58476930
Fuck you.

>>58476905
>>58476952
>Let's stop making /fglt/ guise, let it die in autosage

>>58476969
Sorry to to push your shitty thread into archive, m8

>>58476977
>>Let's stop making /fglt/ guise, let it die in autosage
No one said this motherfucker, just wait until this thread falls down to page 9 or 10. /g/ is slow as fuck, having page 0 filled with generals is disgusting.

>>58476996
If you don't like generals why the fuck are you here? Do you know how to filter a thread? Yes? Fuck off.

>>58477023
Again, I never implied this. Fuck.
I like to lurk flt from time to time.

>>58474605
HipChat