WhatsApp backdoor confirmed

w-whaa???? h-how could this happen???????

>>58465795
oy vey

>>58465795
WHO COULD SEE THIS COMING.

Just use something you know is insecure and treat it as such

Lol proprietary cucks

>>58465842
Yes but know it's proven, my favorite part is the quote from Facebook that it is “expected behaviour” , yep we expected it of you.

>>58465816
this

People need to realise that jews are evil...
>inb4: >>>/pol/

>>58465795
Is any app secure?

>>58465897
I don't know, can you read the source code to tell?

>>58465893
Donald J. Trump would disagree vehemently with you.

As a matter of fact, the president elect thinks Jews are our greatest allies.

How can Jews be evil when the savior of the white race, the god emperor, loves them so much?

Care to explain this logical inconsistency?

>>58465870
It's like proving that VW makes cars. FB are well known for sucking NSA dick and spying on their users as part of their business model.

While WhatsApp was independent, there was a chance that they are somewhat secure but once Facebook bought them, they might've as well rename it to SpyApp.

It's not like even their tech illiterate users don't know, most simply don't care.

>>58465795

It seems it only affects some messages sent offline. Who the fuck chats offline.

>>58465925
Sorry but this. I hate what's app and cuckerburg as much as the next person but this hardly seems a vulnerability.

>>58465925
>>58465951
I'm stupid. Someone tldr explain pls.

This is the least surprising news about whatsapp that could possibly appear.

Imagine if you saw a news article saying it WASN'T backdoored- that'd be a fucking shock.

Water is wet, Hillary is corrupt, AMD will disappoint, and facebook owned shit is backdoored.

>>58465961
this closed source program is only botnet under this one specific circumstance, so its safe

>>58465897
Apple only

>>58465925
Someone didn't read the article.
Boelter said: “[Some] might say that this vulnerability could only be abused to snoop on ‘single’ targeted messages, not entire conversations. This is not true if you consider that the WhatsApp server can just forward messages without sending the ‘message was received by recipient’ notification (or the double tick), which users might not notice. Using the retransmission vulnerability, the WhatsApp server can then later get a transcript of the whole conversation, not just a single message.”

>>58465919
>It's like proving that VW makes cars.

Or Russia owns Trump, yes it's something everyone already believes but thanks to this week we now know how.

>>58466032
thanks CNN nobody gives a fuck about russia. Hillary was still 1000 times worse

>>58466061
You can't honestly be that stupid and still able to breath can you?

>>58465917
In dystopian 2016 America, you need to have some on your side if you want to win. You wouldn't want to end up like the Kennedy family, would you?

>>58466032
The Trump thing is more down to money, it's not like any dirt they have on him will have any effect on his fanboys, and whenever money is involved, there might be a higher bidder.

>>58466061
>predictable mix of neo-con and neo-lib with political experience and actual ideas that would work is worse than a blowhard with ego issues who has no idea about actual politics

>>58466066
>able to breath
And you're trying to call him stupid?

>>58466032
>Russia owns trump because the shit they were blackmailing him with is public now anyway

>>58466032
>Hillary was still 1000 times worse
You're the special kind of special, aren't you?

>>58466094
Political experience that consists of constant major scandals and catastrophic failures. Ideas such as saying whatever the polls say while doing whatever corporate donors say. They'd work for continuing the destruction of the middle class and dragging us into another cold war. Actual politics have been about dismantling democracy and creating authoritarian bureaucracy. You're a fascist pretending to be left wing.

>>58466234
>talk about Hillary
>mentions of left wing
She's firmly right from the center, just like every politician in Murica was for basically ever. Only LBJ, Roosevelt and maybe Carter would somewhat qualify for centrist.

Take the Trump/Clinton shit to /pol/ you degenerate fuckwads.

MOOOOOODS

A proprietary messaging application made by an an American megacorp has a backdoor?
\ (°O°)/ ??

Anyone here uses Signal or Wire? opinions on those?
Signal is recommended by muh Snowden but I've read negative comments.
Wire looks nice and has a client for Linux. But I think only the clients are open source, not the server. Should this be a major concern?

>>58466105
>And you're trying to call him stupid?
I am calling him stupid, no trying about it,

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>>58466084
That's right, "they're" on "his" side.

>post your face when you didn't fall for the WhatsApp meme.

OwO what's this?

closed source software had a backdoor?

*sheaths model M* nuthin personal, kid

>>58467163
Her face always looks like she's taking a big shit or someone is busy bukake her face

>>58466394
Riot, Matrix, Tox, Ring.cx, Silence(SMS only)

Guess I'll have to find some other medium to deal drugs

>>58467696
Telegram

>>58466032
Hillary was worse, she fucking murders people that gets in her way while telling you she loves niggers with that reptilian smile.

>>58467877
USA should be run by Islam

>>58465917
Trump is just a meme, /pol/ likes him because he's the best candidate not because he's hitler.

>>58467803
It's just so hard to convince druggies to try different things

I deleted that app when fb bought it. No ragrets.

When did /g/ become a liberal cesspool?

>>58465919
>tech illiterate users
>people with social lives
there, fixed it, and there is a difference between a universaly made assumption and a fact btw

>>58465972
They DID unlock the iphone though

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>>58465795
Does Stallman ever get tired of being right?

Aren't all those (((freedom of speech activists))) the same that say you should be thrown in jail if you say nigger?

>>58465795
bahahaahaha

Where are all of the retarded third worlders who use this piece of shit now?

>>58466394
I don't think anyone uses signal or wire.

>>58465795
What's the open-source alternative?

>>58465795
>theguardian

Why are internet virgins so obsessed with privacy?

I mean, I dont like that it has a backdoor, but its not really a big deal. Everyone I know uses this and it does everything I need for free so I will keep using it.

Not like I have something to hide

>>58465795
Does anyone in the US even use that service? I've never heard anyone talk about and I got no idea what it does.

Apple iMessage doesn't have this problem

>>58468764
>not doing your own research and just memeing

https://tobi.rocks/2016/04/whats-app-retransmission-vulnerability/

>>58468782
Would you feel comfortable with your government installing cameras in your home? No? Why not? You've got nothing to hide, right? You haven't done anything bad, right? Then why do you expect privacy in your own home?

>>58468874
Its not really the same thing.

Like I said, I dont like that it has a back door but its not a big deal. Its free and does everything I need.

WOAH, FACEBOOK SPYING ON USERS? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?


I'M SHOCKED. SHOCKED I SAY.

>>58468905
But it is the same thing, it's the concept of wanting privacy but having nothing bad to hide. Everyone expects it in their own homes, but then people pretend to not care about it online.

Perhaps you don't care that someone can potentially see your strings of text out of context, you're careful what you say online, after all. But what if that string of context has a face? What if they have a database that cross references everything you've posted online? What if they have a neat little profile put together of you, almost like a dating site, pieced together by all the information you thought you were keeping private, from all the places you visit to what you look like naked. Over time, what they know about you becomes more and more like a video display showing a live feed of the camera inside your home, perhaps fragmented, but enough to get a clear picture of who you are and what you do.

Would you behave differently in your home, knowing that there are cameras in every single place, watching your every move? I'd bet money that you would.

>>58468854
Thanks for that link.

Frankly, I can see why they're doing it. Otherwise it wouldn't just werk when some normie changes the phone.

Still, they should at least provide a switch in the settings.
But then the people who would switch to the secure mode are also the people who are better off with an open source alternative. (Like Signal, but Signal sucks for other reasons.)

>>58469052
Yeah, at the very least it should be an option. And like you said, there's a lot of issues with other clients. The biggest factor would be how many people you talk to who use Whatsapp. People don't like installing a messaging app just to talk to one person.

>>58465795
>Read article
>It's not a backdoor, but a retarded setting.
SO you turn on key-change notifications, and you can ensure nothing you read is compromised. If your friends aren't retarded they will do the same.

>>58469092
Not necessarily. Read >>58468854

STOP RECOMMENDING GARBAGE ALTERNATIVES MADE BY SOME UNKNOWN CHINK WHO IS ALSO GOING TO STEAL YOUR INFORMATION

https://www.eijah.com/

THIS IS THE APP YOU SHOULD BE USING FOR SECURE MESSAGING

Well... Facebook bought it for billions of dollars.

So...

>Facebook
>Billions of dollars

Do... You think they bought it just to be nice? They're looking to profit.

(You) are the product.

I'm not saying it's true, but for fuck sake don't act surprised when one of the biggest companies to not respect privacy is exposed for not respecting privacy.

>>58469263
Dam, just image what Facebook is going to do with the Oculus Rift that it also bought.

Fucking jews, man.

when i installed messenger on my phone it secretly tried randomly to install whatsapp without my permission
thank god my permission manager could intercept this garbage
removed all that facebook shit from my phone

>>58465897
Signal Private Messenger

>>58465795
everyone knew, so what?
only retards would believe an app OWNED BY FACEBOOK would have proper encryption.

>>58469295
Well, that's why people were so disgusted that Occulus sold out.

https://it.slashdot.org/story/17/01/13/1444233/security-experts-rebut-the-guardians-report-that-claimed-whatsapp-has-a-backdoor

Here is a some counterpoint goodness.

Please disregard this post and continue to believe the fantastic journalistic endeavors of (((The Guardian))).

:^)

>>58469413
>anything closed source
>trusted
ayy lmao

>>58469413
> billions of dollar
> power of facebook
> most powerful board of directors on earth

Are you REALLY, REALLY fucking gonna believe that WhatsApp is secure????
On FUCKING /g/?
Are you FUCKING kidding me now?

This ain't some tinfoil kind of shit.
We are not talking about microwaves eavesdropping and capturing you and shit.

It's something OBVIOUS that made into the news.

>>58469397
>HAVE TO SIGN IN TO FACEBOOK TO USE VR
>>58469413
>it would require significant collaboration with Facebook to be able to snoop on and intercept someone's encrypted messages, something the company is extremely unlikely to do
Facebook is good, just don't pay any attention that one of the board members owns Palantir

>>58469489
>HAVE TO SIGN IN TO FACEBOOK TO USE VR
That really is not the problem.
Facebook's spying/data mining is the issue here.

Imagine how much data they can gather, how much they can improve their advertising. How fucking subtle they can be with ads...

The list is endless. It's a goldmine for FB.
I am just surprised why people bought one.

>>58469422
>>58469438
>>58469489


What point does facebook have in complying with the US government?

You guys always talk about how big corps are just ready and willing to bend over for daddy NSA, but you always fail to explain why this is profitable for them in anyway.

Try not to just spout of dank jew memes and the like. Try to, god forbid, form a rational argument for once.

>>58469528
Is the law you fucking imbecile.

You cannot trust any US based company with your information.

This is why Lavabit is dead

>>58469528
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter
You don't have a choice. Also, the status quo is profitable for facebook. Some people don't understand the deep psychological effects it has on people, as can clearly be demonstrated by their own research on a/b testing feeds to make people feel certain ways.
The problem is that people think they are just being shared all of the things that their family and friends are sharing as well as the stuff they have been signed up for but it is a careful crafting of a narrative for the purpose of maintaining whatever facebook wants to.

>>58469528
facebook wouldn't be as huge as it is if it didn't comply with the us government, hell it would probably been shut down entirely till now

>>58469295
>comparing a """free""" product to a retail product

You kids are astoundingly dumb sometimes.

>>58469640
>I lack reading comprehension: the post

>>58469640
There are tons of example of non-free retail products that still require you to have DRM spyware or similar data mining software running in your PC.

For an smart-ass you are the one who is astoundingly dumb.

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>>58469223
You can just fuck right off, faggot.

>>58469413
Gizmodo linked to a tweet from Frederic Jacobs, who also cited >>58468854, which is the main issue here. Fred is arguing semantics, you dolt, not that there isn't an issue. You're just as bad as people who latched on to the guardian's take without fully understanding the topic.

>>58469621
>Ctrl + f
>"ecrypt"
>0 results found

Congratulations at linking the article on warrant-less subpoenas. Wow, what a revelation!

Of course, that's not what this is about, at all. In fact, it isn't what the past 4-5 years in cloud security have been about either. No one is arguing whether the US Gov can get the "information" from these corps. What they are arguing is that these corps are putting backdoors in, which is not defined ANYWHERE. All they have to do is hand over relevant data, with the ability to decrypt IF THEY HAVE IT. This is not what the article is about, though. It is about the company purposefully weakening the encryption mechanism at the request of the government.

Which, once again, is not actually defined in a law. So why is it profitable for said companies to do this?

>>58469702
Are you fucking kidding me? He mentions that exact "vulnerability" in the fucking article I linked.

>>58469689
Are you retarded or something?

Why would I care about his views on animals or homosexuality.

>>58469726
>/pol/ shit

Just don't even respond.

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Wait...what?

>>58469725
>Why would a company not be willing to take on the US intelligence agencies
Gee I wonder why.
You fail to understand this is not about fucking profitability, this is about the existence of facebook itself.

>>58469725
Your counter argument was a slashdot article claiming the issue was rebutted by Fred, when in fact he was arguing the semantics of a backdoor. He even links to the fucking article that >>58468854 posted: https://twitter.com/FredericJacobs/status/819913932752162816

Jesus christ, use your brain for once.

>>58469754
Good, all jew-ware should be blocked

>>58469770
>this is about the existence of facebook itself

God damn, you guys can't seriously believe this.

>>58469770
I'm not going to point out where he talks about it if you aren't even going to bother reading it at all.

Just purge yourself.

>>58469799
>gets BTFO
>I'm not going to post a counter argument because I'm retarded and don't have one

Thanks for playing, bye.

>>58469825
>can't even respond correctly
>thinks he has some sort of "high ground"

I'd tell you everyone is laughing at you, but at this point, they are probably just weeping for you.

Later :^)

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I tried to get my friends to use tox, signal or telegram, but they wouldnt listen

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>>58469223
>>58469726
>>58469745

Seems like this weird Biocoded thing I came across. Some random dude in Slovenia that claims USED BY INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, MILITARY AND POLICE FORCES. Has like 20 likes on Facebook.

>>58469842
I pointed out the facts, you conceded with no counter argument (because there isn't one). It's not my fault you have poor reading comprehension and start posting links before understanding what the content is conveying.

>>58465795
no shit didn't it get bought buy some company awhile back

>>58469899
Telegram is not secure you mongoloid.

>impying that whatsapp being secure matters when the NSA can just read what you are typing straight off your smartphones keyboard

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>>58470113

Wait...how are they looking over my shoulder? Are they doing it with satellites?

>>58470113
>Implying I use my smartphone for any task that involves critical information.

>>58465897
No.

But that doesn't mean they're all intentionally backdoored either.

What about Signal? Still seems to be pretty resilient. Then again, I'm just a normie.

I wonder does this violate any law?
How is this even allowed?

>>58470619
if it's not open source it is or will be backdoored if the usa requires it

>>58465795
How unexpected, a propietary app usefull for spying turns out to be spying

>>58469899
Block sms with them.

>>58469754
Already unblocked in recent update

>>58470144
>modem backdoored
>firmware backdoored
>cannot run any single component without proprietary drivers right inside the kernel

>>58471969
Most try the lower level hacks first e.g social engineering because they don't want their backdoors to be found. Government backdoors are spared for very high target people.

>>58469365
stop pushing this meme

Does anyone here regularly use signal to communicate with anyone?

>>58473486
https://whispersystems.org/blog/there-is-no-whatsapp-backdoor/

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>>58465917
Trump got it right.
Jews and Serbs are the greatest kebab removers. They need to be supported. (Not necessarily financially but diplomatically).


(Also, kill all commies, but that can come later, kebab first)

>>58473486
>>58473523

Proprietary closed-source crypto software is the wrong path. After all this - potentially mallicious code - handles all our decrypted messages. Next time the FBI will not ask Apple but WhatsApp to ship a version of their code that will send all decrypted messages directly to the FBI.

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>>58473610
2 shekels have been deposited in your Discount Bank account

>>58474000
Bibi is a traitor to the Jewish people, we'll deal with him as well.
Should be tried for treason.

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>>58474084
Then you'll have to deal with the rest of the corrupt right wing politicians and army officials who have promoted the israeli military industrial complex and stealing from american tax payers to fund it and you'll also have to deal with the faux israeli left wing and it's american allies.
Go dream somewhere else Menachem, you oven dodger.

>>58465917
Your greatest allies are also your greatest enemies. Lancelot's betrayal was grave because Arthur trusted him.

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>>58474084
jew wanna be on the other side of bibi's UZI?

>>58474125
>American tax money
Shove that shit up your ass, Bibi and Obongo planned that shit to destroy Israel, fuck you.

>>58474373
As if you haven't been stealing american tax dollars for decades.
Get in the oven already, fucking thief.

>>58469018
Shut the fuck up freetard.

>>58465848
this

>>58466032
8 years, faggot

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>>58465897
Old ones that don't connect to the internets. But of course they weren't called
>apps

Don't worry guys, it's a feature.

http://arstechnica.com/security/2017/01/whatsapp-and-friends-take-umbrage-at-report-its-crypto-is-backdoored/

>>58468357
>offended
If you don't know how public key cryptography works in 2017 you're dumb as fuck.

Who didnt see this coming

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>>58466394
>>58468744
I'm using Wire and it's pretty awesome.
The only missing feature is group video chat, but there is plenty of nice things in it, like gif support, GPS locations, doodles etc.
Also sometimes when I text with one particular guy our session get corrupted and we need to restart it. It can be annoying because offline message might not be received, but you get information about that and have to ask him to resend it.

Also there is bot API which is great. I'm working on my own right now. I was able to contact developers for help directly which is a nice thing as well. I've tried two times to contact WhatsApp developers because I was wondering where does images and videos got re-encoded every time I sent something in WA. They never replied anywhere.

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>>58480105
Also

>>58480105
Is there any groups/conferences in Wire? Not "videocall confrerence" but more like that are in telegram.

>>58480105
Lol, friend of mine is a Wire developer. I've got alot of Wire stickers.

>>58480152
There are group chats. For now you can only group text and make real time voice group call. And I think one person can share their desktop while making a call.
Also among other features there are filters for recording voice messages, drawing and placing emojis on images and messages that have limited lifespan.

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>>58480105
>>58469223

just installed wire, seems great

>>58480257
Where can I find some Wire groups by interests?

>>58480287
I mean, is there any catalog/top/etc, so I could find penpals there?

>>58479834
I didn't

>>58466094
As a non burger i still enjoy his tweets and 4 or 8 years later you can redeem his fuck ups, but russcucks are doomed with Putin until he dies. I really envy the US constitution.

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>2015+3
>not using messaging pidgeons

kek, it's like you want to get hacked

>>58480409
>get hacked
>hey m8 do you like my dick
>yeah it's pretty small and neat I fell like I want have this inside of me
>oh, that's nice, send your ass pls

>>58480298
Nah there isn't such a thing.
But I guess you could request it or make it by yourself.
It's a shame Wire doesn't have any subreddit or other place for users to talk with each other. It would be great place for advertising groups or bots.

>>58480437
So there is no way I could swap from telegram to Wire, sad.

>>58480470
I guess so.
Is there anything telegram does better than IRC? I've always used Wire for contacting friends and IRC for actual themed groups.

I sont even know what a Whatsapp is. Never even downloaded it. Im 23. Never downloaded snapchat. Or instagram. Have no social media. And yea i have no friends

>>58480647
I've never downloaded snapchat or instagram etc.
But it's nice to have end-to-end IM app to contact savvy friends/dealers. If you have any of course.

Wish Telegram and signal would combine into the ultimate messaging app desu.