Oracle officially kills Solaris

>>58461840
Good

>>58461840
:(

>>58461840
Was this the last proprietary UNIX besides MacOS?

>>58461840
Nice source there bub. I guess I'll take you at your word. Pffft.

>>58461840
at least give us an article to shit on

shit's been pretty much dead forever, I enjoyed using it on my own systems but it never really felt like something that brought enough to the table to justify paying out the ass for it and the hardware to run it on

>>58461884
AIX and HP-UX are still very alive.

>>58461905
>AIX

Not even IBM uses that shit.

>>58461905
No they are not, they are as dead as Solaris basically.

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>>58461840
Kevin on suicide watch
>pic related when Kevin hears the news

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>>58461840
MAKE SOLARIS GPL
MAKE SOLARIS GPL
MAKE SOLARIS GPL

DO IT ORACLE!!!!

>>58463407
There's illumos, which is based on the last version of OpenSolaris.

I hope HPE releases the source for IRIX now that they've bought SGI.

>>58463407
I don't see that happening. Oracle doesn't care about anything except money. There's no money to be made by making Solaris GPL

>>58461905

AIX is still kicking, but HP-UX is completely and utterly dead.

>>58461884
There could still others that are used internally, probably based on ancient versions of BSD or SysV

>>58465725
And illumios is dead too

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>>58466583

>>58466583
Source?

>>58466583
Open Indiana

>>58463407
Never ever gonna happen

>>58466855
OpenIndiana is an illumos-distro.

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>>58463407
>oracle
>gpl
that will never happen

>be RMS
>don't like passwords on UNIX systems
>write shitty Unix clone
>don't even finish it, some mongol picks it up
>some years pass
>tfw my shitty Unix clone is now the last relevant Unix operating system left

Does this mean ZFS is gone forever?

Did anyone actually use Solaris? What for?

>>58467677
O p e n B S D
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>>58469894
>BSD
>Relevant
Pick one

>>58466575
And yet again a load of bull.

The Itanium supporting versions get frequent updates, so how the hell it's dead?
User facing elements have not changed in 25 years in hp-ux, but it sure as hell receives updates and is supported.

>>58467128
Its not dead tho. All the cool kids are running it.

>>58461905
HP-UX is getting dragged down with Itanic.
Kittson never.

>>58469981
And even the last RISC -versions are still supported and will be for at least a decade.

>>58461840
that good, they finally killed the cancer, its so fuckin bloated and slow, and its constantly doing shit in your PC like windows, tried it couple of days ago. If you want FLOSS alternative, go with OpenIndiana.

>>58461840
>officially
>no source

good work OP, quality thread

>>58467937
no, zfs is open-source, not everything but major part is open, even if its really going to be dead FreeBSD is going to continue development.

>>58467677
>Calling Torvalds a mongol
Linus is the kind of developer the computing world needs. He cares only about the quality of his software, and does a hell of a job.
He is everything Wozniak and Gates were and more.

>>58461840
Not surprising, Solaris 11 shit and Oracle is still running all of Sun's assets into the ground.

>>58461840
The legal teams of course remain.

>>58471042
maybe next year java will die?

>>58470114
Does OpenIndiana support ultraSPARC?

>>58462615
Solus =/= Solaris

>>58461840
Good.
One less proprietary shit. Microsoft comes next.

>>58461974
[citation: my ass]
There's more to the datacenter than outward-facing web servers. AIX is pretty prominent in the financial industry especially usually running on database hosts, and it's easily the biggest of the SysVs.
>>58461993
>>58466575
HP-UX is still actively developed and there doesn't seem to be a sign of that stopping any time soon. As long as that holds true it's no more "dead" than Linux on the desktop, just because your favorite clickbait jews don't give a shit about it doesn't mean much.

>>58470015
Seems like it, but who knows, maybe they'll finally move it over to x64 like VMS since the Integrity seems to be swapping over slowly.

>>58470114
OI is even shittier than vanilla Solaris, atrociously documented and doesn't even run on SPARC.

>>58470368
This. Torvalds is an ass, but he's right with pretty much all of the stuff he talks about.

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>>58469853
same as any other commercial unix nowadays, big-ass mission critical systems with six-figure price tags (before licenses) and multi-year uptimes with no tolerance for failure or security breaches, oracle in particular has been

during the workstation era they were also frequent sites in semiconductor plants as controllers, probably also development systems too, among a whole bunch of other uses because Solaris had a decently large desktop software base (that's mostly lost to the times, unfortunately)

I've also noticed that the ESA uses a lot of sun rays hanging off of remote servers in their control rooms and the JPL too, though they also have a lot of XP/7 and probably some Linux thrown in the mix as well

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>>58462615
Install Solaris

>>58472190
>oracle in particular has been
I hate quick reply
oracle in particular has been really pushing SPARC platforms towards a more security-focused role with hardware crypto acceleration and improved memory protection

>>58471989
>doesn't even run on SPARC
But illumos does, this is no different than most Linux distros not running on SPARC.

>>58471989
OI is community supported, and who the fuck will use System V Release 4 UNIX on their desktops? I doesn't even have fuckin drivers. OI is is enterprise-class UNIX for mission critical shit and servers. ONLY for that, currently though.

>>58470368
>Gates
>caring about quality of code

Choose one and only one.

>>58472401
It's touted as one of the main successors to OpenSolaris and it doesn't even run on the platform Solaris was built to run on. Nobody wants to run that shit on x86. Trust me, because I'm one of the few retards that does.

>>58472530
>OI is community supported
So?
>and who the fuck will use System V Release 4 UNIX on their desktops?
What does that even have to do with anything?

>OI is is enterprise-class UNIX for mission critical shit and servers.
Christ almighty, nobody is running that unstable piece of poorly supported shit on anything "enterprise-class", let alone "mission critical shit and servers" when mainline Solaris, GNU/Linux and even BSD exist, it's a toy at this point and will probably stay that way for a long time. Get real and stop regurgitating meaningless marketing brochure one-liners from pretend sysadmins in the home server general.

RIP last not cuck licensed Unix

the OS on our financial core is AIX

I hate it

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RAWR

>>58473170
what's wrong with it? I always hear people bitching about AIX but everything I read about it seems alright and all the shillposts on leddit seem believable

>>58470368
He's Finnish.

>>58469935
you're saying this in a thread about solaris

>>58465725
>just GPL it ;)
This annoys the shit out of me every time I hear it, because it seemingly almost always comes out of people who know dick about the platform and just think opening the source is going to magically solve all of its woes.

Nobody's going to waste the money, time and lawyers figuring out how to open that shit up, even if they did, it's bound to be so poorly documented that you'd hardly see any new development on the system itself besides a few security holes, most of the IRIX hobbyist community have either just hacked up their own patches for fucky shit or totally replaced it altogether, I think Nekoshitters are right in saying the GPL is mostly a pipe dream would accomplish fuck all anyway.

>>58461840
Are they even a tech company anymore?
can't wait till they kill of Java

>>58475128
I realize it's like 1/18th the size, but The Open Group did free CDE and Motif a few years ago. It's not unprecedented for ancient software to get opened up.

>>58473856
I've got a machine running AIX 4.3.3 sitting right next to me right now. Aside from 4.3.3 being older than Jesus, it's not too bad. Not enough RAM in it to run X though, lol

>>58461840
>Oracle officially kills Solaris
Why was you lied on Internets?
https://www.oracle.com/solaris/solaris11/index.html

>>58470025

I'm probably the biggest fan of HP-UX on this board. Ignite-UX is on its own is a fucking amazing argument to run HP-UX, but HP-UX's dark future is plain for all to see.

The fact it's getting updates doesn't mean it has a future or that it remains a significant player in the market. Solaris gets "updates" too.

Itanium is all but dead, and PA-RISC was cremated and had its ashes spread at sea years ago not long after Alpha.

Nobody is deploying new Itanium equipment at any significant scale; there are a handful of shops replacing old boxes with new boxes, and that's about it.

>>58475434

I have several AIX boxes at work. We benchmarked our application servers on Windows/MSSQL like our Pajeet consultants (HCL) demanded and they couldn't keep up with Oracle on AIX.

>>58475418

And look what happened when CDE and Motif did get opened up: Nothing at all.

After a very brief flurry of activity, the effort to make a Linux port pretty much crashed and burned, and little else has happened in the intervening 4-5 years.

>>58461840
>Oracle officially kills Solaris

Can I have some sauce please? Although it would make me happy to no end, I can only find rumours from December.

>>58476098
>Itanium is all but dead, and PA-RISC was cremated and had its ashes spread at sea years ago not long after Alpha.

As far as RISC CPUs, go even outside of HP, only POWER is really still hanging on in any meaningful way. Oracle isn't pushing SPARC much, as far as I can tell. MIPS is limited to just embedded, and Imagination now owning it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in its future. I guess there's RISC-V, but I'll believe it when I see it in the flesh.

>>58473856

Apart from the lack of modern exploit mitigation features (ASLR, DEP, PIE etc) it's a reasonable OS.

The smitty admin tool makes it easy for a complete newb to get started with AIX pretty quickly.

The animated dude in smitty is the IBM salesman running to the bank to cash your check.

>>58475418
To my understanding the greatest barrier is the usage of licensed IP, or at least enough of it to make it not worth bothering.

I really just don't see what it would accomplish in the end, other than maybe helping Linux support SGI hardware better. Solving any real problems like, hell, getting a modern version of Firefox to run would probably be more work than it's worth. There's not much you could really do with the OS itself as far as porting goes unless you want to write a shit ton of new drivers and then end up with a shittier version of Solaris x86 with even less software.

>>58476098
This is unfortunate, though understandable. I couldn't imagine how much of a poor value the current Integrity systems are unless you've invested a lot into the platform to begin with.

>>58476135
>And look what happened when CDE and Motif did get opened up: Nothing at all.

I get that, I'm just saying it could still happen, even if the outcome wouldn't be very impressive.

>After a very brief flurry of activity, the effort to make a Linux port pretty much crashed and burned, and little else has happened in the intervening 4-5 years.

How did it "crash and burn"? They ported it to the point it compiles and runs. I haven't tried it on a long time-scale, but it seems to be pretty stable. Also, it was pretty feature complete, not much to improve past where it was. No different from things like FVWM in that sense.

>>58476133
I work with Oracle on RHEL at work. While it's fine, I'd love to get my hands on an AIX system.

>>58476187

That's my point exactly; they got to run on a handful of platforms, and that was about it.

What else has happened since 2013?

There have been no improvements of any sort made to the code; for example, dtmail still has no TLS support, and CDE still has security vulnerabilities that the commercial UNIX vendors patched in 2004.

My brother got a sparc64 computer recently. I wanted to put Gentoo or FreeBSD on it, but my brother put Solaris 10 on it. Apparently the hardware doesn't even support Solaris 11. Not sure what the fuck he was thinking, but it's not really mine so whatever. Seems stupid to not only put a proprietary OS on it, but to put on an OS that isn't the latest.

>>58476316

Sounds like you're a sper/g/lord and your brother is based af.

>>58476351
I guess I understand why you would think that, but one other piece of info to add: no GNU/Linux distro besides Gentoo/Funtoo even supports Sparc64 currently.

>>58476316
Well, 10 is still getting security updates, so that's not too bad. That said, he has a Fujitsu SPARC64 system? Weird. They're not all that common, I would think. Is it a workstation or server?

>>58466575
>HP-UX
>dead
Not anytime soon, HPE's got plans for it for at least the next 5 years

>>58476351
Agreed

>>58476380
It's a Sun blade 100

>>58461884
UNIX is dead.

>>58476433
That's... not what I was expecting. What you've got there is a 64-Bit SPARC (UltraSPARC specifically), not a SPARC64. Only Fujitsu made SPARC64s as far as I am aware. I was hoping he had like a Fujitsu HALstation or something.

The Sun Blades are super common, as far was workstations go.

>>58476470
Yes, it's an UltraSPARC IIe specifically. When I say sparc64 I was referring to the architecture you'd look for when choosing a distro.

>>58476455
Don't Netflix use a ton of FreeBSD systems in their backend? Also, as pointed out above, they still roam in the halls of the financial industry. Not quite dead yet.

>>58470368
Not mongoloid, Mongol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVlOC0bpFq0

>>58476487
Yeah, I thought you were speaking of processor type, not arch. Doesn't Debian still have a sparc64 build?

>>58476515
It probably supported sparc64 in the past but doesn't anymore. I did a search on distrowatch for sparc64 compatible operating systems of all types.

>>58476528
Just looked it up, apparently they dropped support after Wheezy.

Fun fact: Even when they did support sparc64, they didn't support any SPARC64 machines.

>>58476492
No their shit is all migrated to Amazon S3.

>>58476620
Their appliances DO run FreeBSD/NGINX

https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/software/

>>58476380
>Well, 10 is still getting security updates, so that's not too bad.

Only if you pay for them.

Not that it's a big deal if it's just some box he's fucking around with at home.

My company is migrating our Solaris systems to Red Hat, gonna miss that 6222 day uptime.

We still use AIX and just updated our hardware to Power 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCfYVrWe8d0

Red Hat is the future.

>>58476316
Why the hell would you want to squander exotic hardware doing the same exact shit you can do on any old SBC or thrift store shitbox PC but even slower? Blade 100s are glacial ass, at least do something new and different with them.

>>58476164
"animated dude"? Is there a GUI for AIX?

The mind boggles.

>>58466575
I doubt that anybody would buy AIX servers in [current year]. However my company still does have a shit ton of host systems, that are almost impossible to upgrade. Stupid cobol applications ruining everybodys day. I think we tried to migrate from that shit to Red Hat for about 10 years and it's still ongoing.

While we are at it, is there a site from where I can download a linux distro for AIX?

>>58478589
1. AIX is proprietary, available or paying IBM customers only.

2. AIX is for POWER only. You need an IBM POWER server to run it.

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>>58478589
>linux distro for AIX
the fuck are you even on about

>>58466583
Illumos is very much not dead
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13081622

Joylent/SmartOS is customized illumos and numerous other projects

>>58477680
Tell them to migrate to SmartOS instead with DTrace, Zones (kvm), and real ZFS not the weak BSD implementation, Redhat is the past where you get breaking changes with every update due to systemD/SELinux complexity

>>58478584
you think IBM hung onto that shit after ditching commodity garbage just because? just because a few baby duck faggots kick and scream and throw a tantrum about corporate back-ends not being hip enough doesn't mean people aren't buying them, they aren't meant to fill a datacenter to the brim

>>58475256
Nah, too many things rely on Java today.
And .NET is a joke (at least now).

>>58478704
Gibe me one reason to still use AIX? The only good thing I can say about them is the zero downtime upgrade system. Stability and security is a marketing meme, you can get those with any other serious competitor as well.

why are there so many enterprise OS?
what is z/OS used for and how does it compare to aix etc?

>>58478992
UNIX is a closed system, so every company reimplemeted it anew before Linux appeared and became stable.

>>58479020
if i understand correctly:
unix specifies interfaces to the kernel for applications to use, and the various UNIXes implement those in their own way, the various kernels are distributed as binary blobs?

linux is implents the same(or a similiar?) interface

>>58478978
not really trying to shill for it too hard I guess, it just seems that I don't hear many complaints about SysVs that stretch beyond "it's old" or "it's different" and it's kind of triggering, ultimately I'm pretty casual/armchair-tier but I've still used a ton of different *nixes and they're not really at all that hard to grasp as long as the documentation is good enough and everything has its strengths and weaknesses, most of my personal experience is in slowlaris but AIX and POWER systems seem to be really nice in virtualization particularly, not to mention reliability and security

the vendor lock-in can be a pretty decent complaint but for most of the large companies that use it the costs seem pretty fuck all in the end compared to any other big vendor that will charge out the ass for support

>>58478992
well, they all started out on different platforms, you could get Unix source pretty easily and most vendors just ported/maintained their own versions and customized them to better cater to their market, I'm sure AT&T had no interest in dealing with that shit themselves, they had their own competing hardware to worry about

>>58479020
that's not true at all, Solaris, AIX and every other SysV today is pretty much directly descended from pure licensed AT&T code, hell just go check the copyrights in config files

BSD was the only ex-Unix that had to be totally rebuilt without AT&T code for legal reasons, GNU/Linux just is what it is

>>58479101
POSIX specifies interfaces what appeared first in UNIX.
And yes, various UNIX-compatibke systems implement those interfaces in their own way.
Not necessiraly kernel is a binary blob (e.g. Apple Darwin) though.

>>58479175
fair enough, my personal hate comes mostly from the whole IBM ecosystem with DB2 and Webshpere and all that shit that costs tons of money and really is inferior to even open source products. I don't even know that much about the OS itself since I'm a mere software dev. IBM is good at selling expensive crap to big corporations, mostly because of "support" promises. In reality I have never seen that this overpriced support solved anything, it's quite the opposite since all is closed source you can't even fix it yourself and IBM wont care.

The worst part however isn't even the expensive hardware and the licencing cost. The worst thing is the time you loose with those crappy products, especially Webshpere. I honestly believe my company lost billions over the years because of IBM instead of using FOSS like any "real" tech company does (Google, Facebook, Netflix, Twitter etc.).

>>58479257
desu you've got some valid gripes when you really take the whole ecosystem into account, same shit with Sun and Jewacle, for every good thing there's like five tons of pure shovelware garbage that needs to fuck off, but it always felt like when you just strip it all down to just the hardware and OS itself running on it, it's quite alright individually

part of me is also just utterly bored with the prospect of the end of SysVs even if they are ultimately not as great as they used to be outside of certain niche cases, I use Linux operating systems a ton but for whatever reason I just can't get into them as much

>>58476216
And still no UTF-8 support.

>>58473054
>Nobody wants to run that shit on x86. Trust me, because I'm one of the few retards that does.
Really? Why? I remember reading about a university that used it on some of their servers and things seemed to be ok. Can you explain what its flaws are?

>>58467937
OpenZFS. In fact, Oracle didn't own practically anything from ZFS, all of it is under the CDDL.

>>58476620
You again. No matter how many times you get corrected, you continuously shitpost about this specific topic. They run their API on AWS, on Linux. All of their CDNs in ISPs are on FreeBSD due to it's networking stack speed and BSD license. They don't need GPL lawyers knocking on ISPs doors about a CDN that the ISP didn't build. Educate yourself already, you're being one of the most stubborn dumb people I've ever met.

>>58478948
Why isn't there an open sourch alternative to java
maybe apple could create one...

>>58476164
>The animated dude in smitty is the IBM salesman running to the bank to cash your check.

Nice, I lol'd

>>58478658
Ouch . I meant Linux for the Power architecture (P6 in my case)

>>58475418
This, so much this. CDE became hip and even in /g/ I've seen many people using it.

>>58476135
You have no idea what you say, stop spilling spaghetti. Most patches to solve bugs are not passing to main branch because the devs are fucking assholes, go dig a little before you speak.

>>58476187
Same as above, don't let the other guy convince you.

>>58479175
>BSD was the only ex-Unix that had to be totally rebuilt without AT&T code for legal reasons

Amusingly by the AT&T sued them they had rebuilt so much of it that AT&T's UNIX contained more BSD code than BSD contained UNIX code. AT&T kept borrowing stuff from them so BSD actually sorta became the upstream repo for UNIX at some point.

>>58475418
Might be legal issues with IRIX considering how convoluted the ownership of the code might be, but I don't think there would be much of an issue with releasing 4DWM since only SGI developed that. Releasing IRIX wouldn't be that useful anyways since it was discontinued so long ago that it would require tons of development to be made useful again.

>>58481572
>Oracle didn't own practically anything from ZFS, all of it is under the CDDL.
Oracle does owns all of the software Sun developed but anyone who digs up the original software(licensed under a free software license) can use them for whatever they want. Oracle cannot terminate their license to use that software because the license that applies to it specifically forbids the owner of the copyright from doing that. Sun's revenge I guess.

>>58483490
So, if you want to fork that software, you gotta find a CD or whatever where the source code was distributed under another license?

>>58483987
Oracle cannot do anything about the original OpenSolaris code licensed under CDDL, if you find old copies of it floating around you can keep them.

The thing is there was already an established community formed around OpenSolaris who still remained after Sun was acquired. Oracle decided to be dicks and they closed the source code so the community just took their fork and made illumos.

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How is that Solaris 12 coming along?

>>58467142
OpenJDK is still a thing if you want SE.

>>58461974
Actually they do. I work there. I also worked for a banking corporation where they run some mission critical services on AIX as well.

>>58467677
Linus is Swedish though.

>>58469894
OpenSSH, LibreSSL, tmux are relevant. OpenBSD isn't and won't be. It's made by hackers for hackers.

>>58470140
It's confirmed by the employees.

https://www.thelayoff.com/t/KBEVoB1

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>>58467677

GNU/Linux is fucking cancer.

>>58467677
>don't like passwords on UNIX systems
thank you for reminding me of that
https://web.archive.org/web/20131210155635/http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/su-invocation.html#index-fascism-2365
and some people praise this autist

>>58483490
Okay yes, I worded it poorly. The point was that Oracle can't do anything about OpenZFS or illumos, nor can they take code from there without obeying the CDDL.

>>58485971
Shitty b8. rms don't represent anything these days except manchildrens like you.

>>58476455

>Macintosh computers
>iDevices

Its very far from dead.

>>58483262
where'd you read that from? sounds pretty kek and I'd totally believe it

>>58486384
I think read that somewhere but I cannot figure out where.

Ultimately the judge ruled that both sides had infringed on each others copyrights and the case was settled. BSD devs had to remove like 3 files which were infringing and add AT&T's license to like 70 files while AT&T had to include Berkeley's license in the files they infringed on, not sure how many though.

>>58471989
HP-UX is on life support, and development is generally just bug fixes and maintaining support for the small selection of hardware it runs on. Using the term "active" is bordering on intellectual dishonesty.

>>58478690
The "weak" [free]BSD implementation is coming from OpenZFS which is the same as SmartOS.

However FreeBSD's jails are terrible when compared to SmartOS Zones, just look at the networking functionality and the fact that SysV inter-process communication just got added. It's even more pathetic when you realize that Jails preceded Zones.

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>tfw no SPARC CPU with Cyrillic text on it

>>58487403
i think this can be excused by the fact that freebsd is a general purpose operating system while smartos does some virtualization shit

>>58486065
I don't get it

>>58487841
>i made my version of su insecure because some meanie locked people out once
i hate sysadmins too but fuck man

>>58461905
>very
lol

>>58487403
Not to forget the fact that FreeBSD does in general have a faster and more reliable TCP/IP stack. Illumos zones are better than jails, and we'd like to add some of the stuff from there to jails. On the other hand, the DTrace stuff happening now is primarily in FreeBSD with the goal of portability, primarily to illumos(we do very much like these people). In general, the two systems serve a different purpose, and the sysv stuff is generally kept out of BSD systems because, well, BSD isn't sysv.

>>58488915
thank you for all your work on illumos

>>58481612
>They don't need GPL lawyers knocking on ISPs doors about a CDN that the ISP didn't build.
why would they have any grounds to do that?
not shitposting, just curious

>>58491799
They wouldn't. You aren't distributing the software under the GPL if you're just running it on your own servers. (The AGPL is different, but very little software uses it) And if you aren't distributing GPL software you have no obligations. You don't have to give the source to anyone, you just use the software. You can modify it, if you like, and you still have no obligation to do anything if you choose not to distribute your modifications.

He's just shitposting in defense of his cuck license.

>>58491799
Mainly because they modified some parts of the OS, and for the most part open sourced things, other than very few scripts. They have a talk on it.
>>58491939
It's past your bedtime.

>>58492067
well if they want to distribute modified parts of GPL software, it's simple to avoid attention from lawyers. Just distribute the modified version under the GPL. And again, just running something on your own servers isn't distributing it.

The GPL only causes you problems if you try and fuck people over by turning free software into proprietary software. So don't do that.

I wonder how different the computing future would be if BSD didn't have a cancerous license

>>58492512
Freetard pls

>>58492546
marketshare speaks for itself

>>58492558
no, the timing does

BSD was legally entangled, had it not been this way, even linus would be using a BSD derivative

>>58492558
Come back when you have an actual argument.

>>58492120
>The GPL only causes you problems if you try and fuck people over by turning free software into proprietary software.

>want to write a proprietary program for a gpl operating system
>can't even link to the system libraries without my program being gpl

and this is why the GPL is a joke

>>58492572
>even linus would be using a BSD derivative
didn't Linus purposefully choose GPL when BSD was available as the licence of choice? GNU was a project he looked up to at the time he wrote Linux, he stated so himself when he started writing it.
>>58492575
come back when there is an actual reason to use your OS besides making a proprietary product that returns nothing to your community or being a special pseudo int special snowflake

Marketshare is a much better argument than anything you could mention as it implies that it is a healthy project with a future

>>58492583
>and this is why the GPL is a joke
if you want to use proprietary shitware go ahead
I'm glad the GPL has an anti cancer mechanism otherwise it would be in the same state as BSD

>>58492639
>didn't Linus purposefully choose GPL when BSD was available as the licence of choice? GNU was a project he looked up to at the time he wrote Linux, he stated so himself when he started writing it.
tell me where i was talking about the license in my post

>>58492639
>m-muh Linux! You're not allowed to like anything else becuz I sez so
Anon you are literally 12.

>>58492583
well one, yes, that's the point, to discourage you from making your software proprietary. You shouldn't do that.
two, nothing's stopping you from linking to whatever other non-GPL stuff you want and then dropping your application on top of a free OS.

Funny how producers of non-free software are perfectly okay having armies of lawyers comply with all sorts of bespoke licenses for everything they use, at great cost.... except the GPL. Which doesn't charge them any money and is simple to comply with, all they have to do is release their code as free software. Whining about the GPL is just "You want me to not fuck over other people?! How dare you try to do that!!"

>>58492673
he's probably that retard who thinks that the only reason you can use an OS is to make a point

>>58492673
Your understanding of what makes a software community successful is at about the mental age you mentioned. I never implied Linux was the only thing you should use. I clearly said to use proprietary shitware if that's what suits you. When you try to take away from a free community for your proprietary shitware without giving anything back then you become a cancer to that community.

History speaks for itself. If Linux took your genius logic to heart with its license structure it would be another irrelevant special snowflake paradise like BSD, covered in corporate spit and cobwebs

>>58492656
>>58492681
t. reason why linux will never be used outside of niche servers and embedded

>>58492639
>didn't Linus purposefully choose GPL when BSD was available as the licence of choice?

At the time the "BSD license" referred to the four clause license which had an annoying condition in it. The free software community actually persuaded Linus to use GPL, he initially didn't care what license was used he just wanted it to be widely available for anyone that wanted it. His initial license was actually not a free software license as defined by the FSF because it forbid commercial use IIRC.

>>58492661
I was telling you that Linus cared about GNU from the begging in terms of license and programs that were available from the project. There is no reason, except in your delusional mind that he would magically start considering BSD when there was an open giant like GNU at that point in history

>>58492726
I'm not denying that GPL licensed software has been successful, I'm merely pointing out that it's still a cancerous license.

>>58492757
BSD was a complete OS when GNU wasn't lmfao

Linus just wanted a desktop Unix

it originally used a non-gpl license

>Torvalds first published the Linux kernel under its own licence, which had a restriction on commercial activity.

>>58492761
look where BSD and GNU ended up and decide for yourself which one is more cancerous. I'm not going to force facts on you

I'm not denying BSD didn't have potential that was mostly wasted because it could never move properly out of the cancer that is academia

>>58492791
>it could never move properly out of the cancer that is academia
just stop posting

>>58492791
Irrelevant. GNU could definitely be vastly more cancerous while simultaneously being more successful. In fact, that's exactly the case.

>>58492737
>he initially didn't care what license was used he just wanted it to be widely available for anyone that wanted it.
which is a stupid thing to ignore in retrospect since he himself admits that Linux was the first large collaborative project to succeed from mass contribution, something that the BSD license was not designed for

>>58492733
( ) argument
(x) not an argument

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>>58491939
I love the "cuck license" meme.

>be rms
>want to get credit for creating operating system but have no actual ability and have no actual ideas
>decide you need other people to write the majority of it for you
>make a license that works to this end
>people pour in to create all of it for you because muh fredm
>hawaiian creates a kernel with your license and you assume this means he is donating it to your operating system which you then have the right to name
>contribute shitty code to a shitty c compiler, a shitty text editor/browser/RSS aggregator/fortune cookie/price is right simulator, and shitty words to a shitty license
>majority of work on all of this was done by other people
>get credit, cucking all of the actual contributors

>>58492781
BSD was complete, and then it was rewritten before the GNU project even had one complete release if you want to get technical.

>>58492829
You forgot that he hasn't written a line of code in over 20 years and can't even install Linux. Not even his current OS, trisquel, which is basically Ubuntu.

>>58492761
The reason you think it's "cancerous" is the reason its more successful. It stops companies from taking it and making proprietary versions of it. If they want to enjoy their freedoms, they have to give everyone else the same freedoms everyone else gave them. Why you call that "cancerous", I have no idea.

>>58492838
hell GNU still DOESN'T have a complete release

the day there's an operating system that uses Mach/HURD, with the GNU coreutils, bash, dmd and probably more, I'll consider that complete

>>58492781
at the time he wrote the kernel to complete the GNU operating system GNU was close to completion as a close OS

It would have been completed much earlier as well if they didn't try to be perfectionists with a microkernel, (academic perfectionism with no real world application or practical use, a cancer to be avoided)

>>58492850
>The reason you think it's "cancerous" is the reason its more successful
I never said otherwise.
>Why you call that "cancerous", I have no idea.
Because I don't believe in forcing others to conform to my views. I'm not going to force you to open source yout software even if I think open source is the right way to go. That's your choice. If you want to use my software for it, you're free to do so though because why the fuck would I make you reinvent the wheel? Who knows, I may end up using the end product and benefiting from my decision for others to release closed source software with my source code.

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>>58492850
Maybe he meant that it's designed to spread like a cancer and destroy proprietary software, because it is.

>>58492877
That sounds like a reason to support it, not a reason to oppose it

>>58492866
>at the time he wrote the kernel to complete the GNU operating system GNU was close to completion as a close OS
he wrote the kernel to teach himself how the 386 worked

>>58492806
Ahh right. So the GPL is still more cancerous despite GNU being the prime open community in the world. I guess if we're going with your delusional definition of cancerous that would be true.
While we're offering up opinions:
In my opinion the true definition of cancer is a community that allows for others to absorb their work without giving anything in return

I would make something proprietary before I made it BSD

>>58492905
sure, he could have wrote it to satisfy his sexual fantasy for all that I care

no matter the reason he completed GNU and allowed for it to take off

>>58492934
then he didn't exactly write it specifically to complete the GNU operating system, did he

>>58492913
>So the GPL is still more cancerous despite GNU being the prime open community in the world
Exactly.
>In my opinion the true definition of cancer is a community that won't do anything without getting something in return
Man are you ever a selfish little prick.

>>58492940
386 knowledge was a side benefit of him contributing to a large project that he chose

he could have learned 386 in a million obscure ways yet he chose to write a kernel for GNU

I don't think he made that decision by drawing projects from a hat

>>58492962
>It uses every conceivable feature of the 386 I could find, as it was also a project to teach me about the 386.
direct quote from torvald's first post about it
>he could have learned 386 in a million obscure ways yet he chose to write a kernel for GNU
yeah, now you're gonna claim GNU owns the kernel or something, typical freetard revisionism

>>58492959
>Man are you ever a selfish little prick.
in my opinion the most selfish are the BSD users that only care about putting their name on their work and after that don't give a shit about what happens (typical academia cancer)

GPL users are the opposite of selfish, they're practically e-commies that were clever enough to hack together a license to put them in the spotlight

>>58492757
>If 386BSD had been available when I started on Linux, Linux would probably never had happened.

>>58492962
Quit denying facts. Linux was not intended to be anything more than a little learning experience. It just happened that this guy that was teaching himself to write a kernel was better at it than GNU was so they piggybacked their incomplete OS on his kernel and started contributing to it.

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>>58493031
>the developers that release their software to the world and ask nothing more in return than mere credit are the most selfish ones
Yeah, and I'M the delusional one.

>>58492805
I would suggest the same if you have nothing of value to say

>>58493098
lying doesn't really have any value, you know

don't be such a hypocrite

>>58493096
>meme credits
yet GPL software is in Canonical, SUSE, RH and a million other companies that make money from products without destroying the software community is a reality
but I suppose it's meme credit as you say

Let's keep flinging the word delusional at each other.

>>58492857
The GNU project has settled this I think. They consider Linux-libre to be the kernel of the GNU OS which officially completes the core components. HURD is still being developed but the GNU OS is considered complete now I guess.

>>58493143
>muh memes
What in the everliving fuck are you on about? Are you capable of carrying a conversation without acting like a goddamned child?

>>58493143
>all the devs want is credits
>BUT ANON CANONICAL, SUSE REDHAT
???

>>58493119
>lying
the only thing BSD has (because it failed to PROPERLY move out of acedemia) is gallons of corporate spit


meanwhile GNU, using GPL is forcing corps to better their software (see RH contributions to the kernel etc)

These are simple facts that could be referenced easily

There is no lying here. Sony, Apple, and everyone spit on BSD and let it rot

>>58493165
if you have an attention span greater than one post you would quickly see that the one I'm replying to brought it up first but I suppose we're at the goalpost level of argument at this point so your reply seems appropriate

>>58493170
>There is no lying here. Sony, Apple, and everyone spit on BSD and let it rot
then they're digging their own grave, because if that were true that would mean it would be HARDER to merge upstream back in

http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html

take a good look at this btw

>>58493182
but you're the one who moves goalposts all the time

>>58493182
You just started calling random stuff memes because you have no argument.

From what I understand some really great technology came out of Solaris. zfs, and dtrace for example. At least solaris lives on in a way through this great software which has made its way to other operating systems.

>>58493185
>take a good look at this btw
yeah, all I see is a few megacorps throwing what is relatively pennies at them so they can continue feeding their specialized use of the OS

the corps return what they want when they feel like it. The GPL forces contributions which have a good amount of monetary value when you consider the expense of writing quality code. Gee, I wonder which codebase has better quality

>>58493201
yes I am >>58493096 and >>58493143
and am arguing against myself

Like I said, try getting an attention span of more than one post and then come back

>>58493195
yes and now I suppose I'm going to have to prove how I did not move goalposts because you can fling accusation mindlessly like a retarded monkey flings shit at anyone nearby
No thanks. I'm not going to feed you a reply so don't bother

>>58493334
You do realize you're still arguing with the person you're telling me you were arguing with, right? I have a hard time believing you're actually this retarded, this has to be some sort of shitty act.

>>58493353
you're assuming I used the word meme anywhere in this thread outside of replying to your original post referencing the word? That's grasping hard if I ever saw it

It's really too bad sometimes this is an anon gook toon board because I can not prove even your bullshit goalpost moving to be inaccurate

>>58493315
it's pennies for them, but a shitload for OpenBSD

they asked for 250 000$ last year and they got 560 000$, that's a resounding success

>>58493352
>I'm not going to feed you a reply so don't bother
too bad, you just did it

>>58493383
See >>58493143

>>58493408
>they asked for 250 000$ last year and they got 560 000$, that's a resounding success
I wonder who gets more man hours contributed to their codebase? I wonder what the dollar value of that is if we were to quantify?

>>58493427
who gives a shit? that was never the point

have you even looked at the linux source code? it's an uncontrolled mess even by the admission of linus

>>58493419
I used it clearly as a reply to >>58493096
which greentexted his own post (due to his intelligence level and argumentative aptitude I can only assume)

I even included the phrase "as you said" after meme to separate myself from the cancerous use of the word meme

I can't believe I have to spell this out. Would you like a formal scientific report as well?

have you guys noticed that any thread about BSD, and even those BARELY related to them, always have this autist who probably replies to himself and turns the threads into a confusing mess?

>>58493464
>which greentexted his own post
I was paraphrasing your post (which you'd be able to see if your IQ was a positive value)
>I even included the phrase "as you said" after meme to separate myself from the cancerous use of the word meme
Oh I see, you put words in my mouth to justify your lack of an argument. Got it.

>>58493446
if only BSD was at the same maturity, device support, and usage diversity then we could compare them properly

>>58493485
it's commies versus cucks versus that one propritary guy so it's bound to be a heated tangled debate

>>58493500
I'm not even going to try to untangle the retardation you're spewing. This is your last you so enjoy

>>58493523
*commies versus philanthropists

>>58493537
>commies versus corporate cum guzzlers***

>>58493533
>clearly losing an argument
>start flinging shit
>pretend you got confused by opponent
>call him dumb and run away with your tail between your legs
The funny part is that you're going to close this thread thinking you won.

>>58493551
here is your post supposedly >>58493096 using the word "meme"

I did not use the word meme before your post and only used it to quote your usage of the word

There you go. I'm sure even this is too hard for you to comprehend but I can see you're projecting with your pseudo quoting. Protip: anyone with a positive IQ as you said would not use this cancerous style reserved for quoting others to make your own argument

>>58493606
Get your eyes checked, "meme" is nowhere in that post.

>>58461840

Solaris has been dead since 2010.

All the devs went to work on Illumos after Oracle acquired Sun.

>>58493650
well fuck

"mere" and "meme"
If you browse here long enough you stop expecting the former

>>58492583
that's a lie though, there is plenty of legal proprietary software for linux.
"There is also a special exemption for the Linux kernel headers and libgcc (the library implicitly called to by the compiler)."
libc is LGPL as well so you can link that all you want.

>make Solaris thread
>thread comes to BSD v GPL
what the kek

Let's say, I'm the one who chooses a server OS. When is it good to choose illumos?

>>58461840
Isn't Solus the successor to Solarus?

>>58491939
Agpl only requires you to make the source code of library X available if you use it.

>>58492583
How can you be such a cuck? Including library headers is ok be both GPL and AGPL

>>58492681
>>58492583
>>58492656

You are spreading FUD

>>58496464
Don't be a fucking idiot

>>58492857
>debian GNU Hurd

>>58493504
If only Linux had any level of stability and quality even worthy of comparison

>>58496842
HURD is considered unfinished. Debian GNU/HURD is like a prototype

>>58495545
please notice me

>>58485788
Linus is fenno-swede, a Finn who speaks Swedish natively. Finland has two official languages.
That's a minority so small he couldn't get any service in his native language in his childhood and ended up without many friends.

>>58486065
Well, he wrote what became the last relevant Unix.