What is the best laptop on the market, and why is it a used T420?

Its a good laptop, I guess. But it weighs so much that it's very uncomfortable to carry, which is the point of a laptop.

>>58440765
The 2015 Macbook Pro and it isn't even close.

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>>58440765
>T420

DUDE

>>58440765
>pwm
>best laptop
))))

>>58441232
WEED

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>>58441105
>But it weighs so much that it's very uncomfortable to carry,

>$CURRENTYEAR
>Being a weak nu-male

>buying a used laptop.
Enjoy your blue light disco

>used
enjoy your backdoored firmware, cuck

>>58441408
What?

>>58441105
>I can't carry 5 pounds

>>58441266
The display is absolutely terrible in almost every other regard also.

It's a shame because the T420 is a pretty good design otherwise, although in my opinion the 14.1" T60 was basically the peak of laptop design and perfect other than the usual poor TN display quality issues.

>>58440765
Werks for me. Got one two years ago, only switched hdd to ssd.
What is the normal capacity of new batteries? Mine last solid 4 hours. Also thinking about a docking station.

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>tfw your T61p dies because of the faulty GPU

can I find or build a T420 for gaming?
nothing AAA just MMOs n shit

>>58440765
Nothing better. Best purchase I ever made. Ugly Lenovo logo already came pre-removed too.

>>58441479
>shitty TN panel

>>58441633
It should be fine for (((((most))))) non-AAA games. If you want to, you can buy a PCIE adapter and hook up a GPU externally if the game requires it.

>not X200 with hydis AFFS screen, LED backlight mod, 250GB SSD, and 9cell battery

>>58440765
might get this soon. the x220 is too small.

I've been looking for a new laptop and at first focused on the x220, but I've found out the t420 are actually cheaper while having better specs. What should I look for in one anyway? I've noticed there's different specs for the same model. I suppose i5 but what gen? 8GB RAM? 9 cell battery? Anything else?

>>58441476
(Your) comment doesn't even make sense

>>58441372
>>58441479
Not him but, when, you're carrying a shit ton of textbooks, any weight savings is welcome. I got a t420, but as much as I like it, I much rather get a newer lighter ThinkPad or latitude/XPS.

On another note, the t420 is not powerful enough for me, heavy and has shit battery life (4hr with medium usage). Not worth buying a 9 cell, it would cost me 80 CAD to get it here, nearly %40 of laptop worth.

Any new modern recommendations?
Looking at t460/p50/XPS 13.

>>58441781
>not powerful enough for me
elaborate

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Yes I think a T420 is absolutely brilliant, for the money you cannot have a better computer. I have a T420s with the 14" 1600x900 screen and it's woeful but I don't care, I consider it useable. It has onboard HSDPA and it's 99% mint. Love it to death, Arch Linux made it perform super fast.

I also have a T61 with the novidya GPU, that's running the 14" 1440x900 screen and I like it even more than the T420 for some reason. I also had a T60 with the shittiest screen which started my Thinkpad hobby in the first place, but that one died when I tried to fit a T61 screen to it.

But here's the thing: They do show their age. Battery life isn't good, even with a new battery I'm struggling to get 3 hours of use. The ultrabay battery would help a little but I'm not going to pay $60 for one.

Instead my favorite laptop right now isn't a laptop. It's an iPad mini 3 I bought with a busted battery for $30. After a $20 replacement aliexpress battery, and this logitech keyboard case, I think it's my best laptop. It sucks DICK it doesn't support a mouse without jailbreaking but it makes up for it with that BEAUTIFUL high resolution screen and optimization. It's the most efficient thing I've ever seen, with a chink 6000mAh battery it simply will not run out of juice. Ever. I can use it for a full day and it will have battery by the end of the day. I can browse /g/ with it, watch movies, whatever I'd do with a laptop.

Now of course, it cannot replace a computer. Browsing the web isn't as fluent as it is with a computer. It lacks so many things a computer does have, even my T61. But on the go, it's just in another world of portable. That battery combined with that screen, it's tiny size and this keyboard case, I can use it anywhere without a hassle. It's small enough to fit my jacket's pocket and it's easy to lay on my lap.

An iPad mini has made my thinkpads redundant.

>>58441633
actually if you upgrade the cpu to a quad core and hook up an external gpu it'll even run some AAA gaymes.

t. fag with that setup

>>58441781
Any chance you'd be interested in a T560?

It's actually not too big or heavy. I was able to steal one from work stuffing it in the back of my 32" waist pants last week without anyone noticing (dead serious)

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>>58440765
My current laptops are a Thinkpad T400 and a late 2011 MBP (non-retina). I'd like to get a new Chinkpad to replace my older one, since I would like to turn the T400 into a home server (specifically because it's Librebooted, meaning I can trust it for managing all of my information and whatever). I have a few questions about the T420.

How sturdy is it?
The T400 and Mac have been alright for day to day use but a lot of the T420 ebay pictures show that the top of the display near the corner, the frame is cracked.

How easy is to get genuine replacement parts?
I could replace cracked or old parts easily myself, but how hard is it to get parts that aren't chink trash? Specifically batteries. Every time I look for real Applel batteries, I get sup-par Indian garbage unless I fork out $100 for a genuine part. This pisses me off to no end.

Can I hackintosh it easily?
I use Linux for play, and Mac OS for work. Using Windows is an option, but I really don't want to install spyware. I'd rather use Mac OS and just disable Siri and Spotlight. I tried to hackintosh my T400 and it just doesn't work. I need something that works well with Clover and Mac OS Sierra, where I can simply boot to the installer, format the drive, install Mac OS, install some kernel extensions, and use it as a daily driver.

How hard is it to upgrade?
I only need to be able to replace the hard drive and RAM really. I'd also like to replace the disc drive with a bay for a second hard drive for backups and stuff. Also, what is the maximum RAM the motherboard supports? I have 16 in my Mac now, so I'll need at least that much in the T420.

Thanks in advance, guys!

>>58441633
It's going to struggle with WoW man, it's actually a hard game to run. It needs 4 physical cores to run it's best now, and something around a gtx 760/750ti to do 1080p. 900p 30 fps may be do able. I can do 1080p 45fps on a i3 6100u with i gpu on the lowest settings.

>>58441755
Lenovo self-maintainer here, p sure each refresh of the line only has one generation of the CPU. IE t410 is first gen Intel Core series, t420 is second gen, etc.

>>58441755
>What should I look for in one anyway?
The one with 1600x900 screen and avoid the nvidia dGPU version.

>I suppose i5 but what gen?
The cpu is socketed so you could upgrade to a quad core in the future like the 2630qm, 2670qm or 2720qm, nothing too high-end because by then temperature becomes an issue.
Also the T420 only uses Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge is possible with coreboot iirc.

>8GB RAM?
Doesn't matter since ram is dirt cheap anyway, it supports to 2x8gb sticks for a total of 16gb.

>9 cell battery?
It's a nice plus but not mandatory.

>Anything else?
SSD.
If possible an msata one so you can use the msata slot + main hdd/ssd slot + optical drive slot as hdd/ssd for a total of three drives at the same time.

>>58441844
>Battery life isn't good, even with a new battery I'm struggling to get 3 hours of use.
Bullshit, my non-genuine T420 9-cell does ~6h of 1080p chink cartoons.

I'm upgrading my T420 to an i7 tomorrow. I hope I don't break this damn thing.

>>58441802
I work with VMs quite often so there's that. But the main issue is when I'm on battery, I have my system be very conservative in using resources such as keeping it at 50 to 75% max usage in order to hit the 5 hours of operation. I multitask heavily and the t420 just doesn't keep up in certain cases. Point is I'm looking for 12 hour battery life, lightweight and relatively powerful.
>>58441854
Not really looking for less than 15 inch machine, the only reason why I'm even considering the p50 since for $100 it has considerably more value and the closest to the t420 in terms of design.

>>58441992

What's wrong with the DGPU one?

>>58442017

It breaks easily and most thinkpads with it won't last very long.

>>58442022

Fuck. Well, at least it won't set me back too much to replace it. I can always just bring over the memory, SSDs and i7 I bought.

>>58442017
Nothing really but it's barely better than the iGPU and shares the already small heatsink with the CPU so it makes everything hotter.

>>58441718
>LED backlight mod
Can you still adjust the brightness and if so does it go as dim as the original backlight?

>>58441584
You can't just replace the mobo with a standard intel one?

>>58440765
Can you please stop shilling?
We have reddit pajeets browsing here and they inflate the prices on ebay

>>58441273
LMAO

>>58441929
>How sturdy is it?
Compared to the T400 the base feels the same but the lid is weaker because no rollcage.

>How easy is to get genuine replacement parts?
Dunno about genuine but i buy parts from AliExpress by and they just work.

>Can I hackintosh it easily?
Yes, there's actually a detailed insanelymac thread about it if you google "t420 hackintosh"

>How hard is it to upgrade?
See >>58441992
Everything is upgradeable, supports 16gb ram and three drives simultaneously.

>>58442000
Just a heads up, the P50 is huge and all the ones we have at work are garbage. We purchased three of them to trial for Smartboard compatibility. Highest end models with Xeon's, etc.

Imaging them were a pain and the GPU's are the flakiest I've ever seen in a decade of working in IT. Screens consistently go blank, external output is nonexistent, and USB devices disappear on all of them after just a few hours of use. It's a known issue with the chipset and the only solution is to remove the battery and restart. Literally have to do it at least once a day on each machine. The department is dead-set on keeping them, for some reason.

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>>58440765
what about the battery life ? need a laptop for college just for typing notes and essays. I have fairly long days so more than 12hours with wifi off and only microsoft words running would be perfect

Have fun with the Chinese government spying on all of your data.

My t420 rarely leaves the house. I use it x1 hybrid outside. Its battery life is godly when in Android mode.

>>58441781
this
i also have a t420 and i carry it to college. i regret not getting the x220.

>>58442546
It's better than the americucks anyway

>>58442561
>thinkpads are used almost exclusively by NASA and the ISS

>>58442133
>Yes, there's actually a detailed insanelymac thread about it if you google "t420 hackintosh"

That's good.

>Everything is upgradeable, supports 16gb ram and three drives simultaneously.

Also good, but does it support anything higher than 16GB? I at least need that to justify the purchase, as I use a few RAM intensive programs for work that often eat 10GB or more (because Pajeets can't optimize code).

>>58442590
>anything higher than 16GB?
No, 16gb (2x8gb) is the maximum amount of RAM the T420 supports.

The W520 supports up to 32gb.

>>58441781
>carrying more than 1 textbook with a laptop
What
>>58441951
Play an older version then. Lich king didn't need more than 2GB RAM and a dual core, I believe the same goes for cata. Unless you actually like anything post wotlk

>>58441584
Cmon man this is why you don't own a T61p. I remember being warned about that shit in 2012 when I first started buying thinkpads (and have never since bought anything else.)

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>local shop is selling refurbished L412 for 99$ each
should I buy one? the ones they are selling have an i5, 4GB DDR3, and a 160 gig HDD.

>>58440765
>unwieldy form factor
>disappointing build quality
>shit hardware
>shit panel unless you want to swap it yourself
>that fucking bezel
>championed by an obnoxiously sheepish fanbase composed of tryhards who think they need a patented magnesium alloy roll cage™ to watch anime in bed
who's the biggest consumer of cocks in the market today and why is it OP's well-used asshole?

>>58442725
Well I personally play retail, have forever. I like the little dopamine hit of racing for a kill. I don't have enough time to go for region firsts though so I've only been playing in ~11th US guild. It's a very . different game to different people and that's it's appeal. Some people, like yourself I guess, can just chill on a wrath private server and enjoy it. Others need high . end 3v3 arena, yet others just play for gold.

Anyway, I think iGPUs will continue to improve and soon enough offer a pretty good experience. In the meantime . I think the gtx 1050(ti) laptops are perfect because it's not that demanding of a card. Like the zenbook pro and xps15.

You could probably play MMos at 1080p pretty well on a i7 7700hq.

>>58441105
Which is why the X220 with an IPS screen is the best laptop.

>>58440765
>postulating an initial open ended question then changing the question to one that seeks validation for your own opinionated answer to the initial question disregarding that the initial question is open ended and has no definitive correct answer

>>58443424
>>58442986
Since you cucks are fresh to 4chan let alone /g/ I recommend you stop posting and lurk more, for at least a couple of weeks to understand our culture here before you bring your reddit-tier filth into our corner of the internet.

>>58443522
stfu

Btw I found a cheap (around 120 bucks) 2007 macbook on ebay

Planned on adding more ram, replace the HDD with SSD and install ubuntu on it.

Basically I'm going to use it for some typing, shitposting and watching chinese cartoon on mcdonalds while waiting for the train or something.

Any reason why I shouldn't do it?

>>58441718
I thought x200 AFFS is only possible with CCFL-Backlight.
Do you have any guide or links for AFFS with LED-Backlight?

>>58442017
Screen tearing when using optimus on linux, unless you go with bumblebee.

>>58440765
You misspelled x220

>>58440765
is it worth to buy a used T410, T420 or T430 for less than 150 €?

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>>58441372
>battery life and weight are unimportant
Of course there's creation but that can be better done on a desktop.

>>58442573
>thinkpads are used almost exclusively by NASA and the ISS
Do you know why this is?
It's probably a government deal, not something special about Thinkpads.

>>58445086
Because they're durable and manufactured to high standards.

>>58445013
yes

Eh. I used to like it, but after getting an X220T, I prefer it. IPS display, touchscreen, etc. I do sometimes miss the performance of the nvs 4200m, but I shouldn't be doing anything like games on a laptop anyway.

>>58441540
I have the docking station. It can be pretty useful.

>not getting a specced out W520 instead

>>58442168
https://support.lenovo.com/de/de/solutions/SF16-T0051

>>58442975
No, unless you really need one

>>58441372
>>58441479
>if youre mobile workstation is less than 20 lbs and can't raytrace 8K scenes in 5 seconds then you're just a limp dicked faggot and not a real /g/tard

>>58443726
>10 year old core duo
>$120

It's not even a core2 duo. It's literally trash now

>>58441372
I fucked my lower back by carrying a T410 all semester in my backpack

>>58442038
>>58444165

you get the modded inverter and LED strip from www.iccfl.com/index.php?cPath=205
then you take out the ccfl tube from your AFFS screen (or any other screen)
and you can dim it as far as you'd like.

>>58442022
but you can disable it via bios, right?

so no real disadvantage?

>>58445955
It's still a unibody macbook which is great to show off if you're poor.

>>58449098
but it literally defines a poorfag. wasting money on trash

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>>58449198
B-but muh successful life!

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>>58441105
Brah
I have bunch of books and Getac S400 (which weight 3.6kg) and you dare complain about weight

I will say, your argument is invalid

>pic related

>>58440765
420 is worse than both t520 and x220
Worst compromise, easily

>>58451424
It's like people are talking about cars and you bring up cargo trucks.

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>>58451471
So you don't believe me that I have been carrying this?

It would be like that if I brought 80's mobile computers to the discussion.

Those motherfuckers weight 7.5kg with 8mhz cpu and 640kt ram and yet it doesn't even include a battery.

tl;dr piss off
>pic related

>>58441132
this

>>58440765
got two a while back on ebay for $120 each. sold one for $250 and basically got the other for free.

the chinese are working on a 1440p ips mod for the t420 and i hope they release it soon.

>>58442017

Higher temps overall, since the heatsink is shared by the cpu and gpu. Last time I tested full load on both, after reapplying thermal paste, I got 90c for the cpu (2520m) and 95c for the gpu. Higher than I expected, I wonder if I applied too much paste.
Still, for Solidworks the quadro is a more than welcome boost, so I'm happy I went for a dgpu one.

Btw, did a quick test while playing New Vegas, and the temps on both settled on more manageable 70c.

The real answer is the glorious X220

>>58441844
>An iPad mini has made my thinkpads redundant.

of course it would, if "browse /g/...um watch movies...." is what you use your computer for

the rest of us have work to do, kiddo

>>58452000
If you use Linux you arent working at all.

Who /hackintosh/ T420 here?

>>58451435
I find that the ~14" form factor is the best balance, personally. ~12" is a bit too small/cramped for a daily driver, and the ~15" is a bit large and heavy for portability or even just lap use.

>>58451424
>my use case requires a heavy laptop
>therefore you should also have a heavy laptop

Honestly I'm pretty happy with my "thinkpad" 13. Forgive me memepad autists but I just wanted a new laptop that was reasonably sturdy and reasonably thin and light laptop with a good keyboard.

>>58452139
you're grasping for straws, and bringing linux into where it wasn't even mentioned

its true whether you choose to realize it or not. I used to have a netbook in high school, I loved it. then I started college and had to start typing essays out of the ass - the tiny screen would give me horrible headaches when trying to make multiply page documents, I eventually switched to a full size laptop

my point is that if your needs are few, then you are able to get by on a sub-par device like a tablet or netbook

>>58452447
What is here to stop you?

Is it the weight? Get /fit/ fucc boi numale

I do this because I still have my conscription under way

>>58440765
>that fucking screen
Full HD T/W520 or bust

try not fill up ur hd to avoid additional weight

The T420 is good but definitely not the best

>that shitty display panel
>locked bios, can't swap wifi cards

>>58452898
>I have a very large epenis
Okay so if 10 lbs is better than 5 lbs and 5 lbs is better than 2, then surely 50 lbs is better than 10 lbs and 500 lbs is better than 50. Why not hook up a few car batteries to a server rack and haul that around all day?

>>58452365
well I think you\re wrong.

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>>58453050
>lbs
oh you murican's

>Why not hook up a few car batteries to a server rack
I have thought of that, sort of. For example, is there a way to use car battery as laptop batterybank and server rack ,huh?
>pic related
There indeed is mobile server configs out there in case you were running out of space and you still need to ability to access it somewhere else at the same time.

Why are you making this such a big thing? 1kg increase is not that bad. If I had to choose between X220 or W520, I would take W520 any day for its extra features.

>>58440765
is this a meme cuz my work still makes me use this.

>>58453176
I manage small business networks. Firewalls, servers, vpns, that sort of shit. My mobile terminal is a chromebook.

>>58440765
2014 MacBook Pro i7

>>58452161
Useless, giving up everything that makes macOS good

>>58440765
What GPU does it have?

>>58440765
latest 13/15" retina macbook pro you can get that doesn't have the touchbar

>>58453330
>I can't google

>>58452161
I was briefly on my T420s. Now back on Linux. I bought a mac mini for my OS X needs

Hackintoshing is just not worth the hassle

Screen ain't goat but for the money it ain bad desu. It handles external display fine so you can invest savings there. If you want to run gnome o KDE I would say get an xps 13 but if you running rice it's fine.

>>58440765
I think you spelled "MacBook Pro Late 2016" wrong

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>>58440765
As long as it isn't a fucking mac, you're good

>>58453330
external GTX 1080

>>58454196
> replacing an oil filter with a screwdriver

yep, sounds like a typical Windows user actually.

>>58454298
actually if it hasn't been replaced in a while and you don't have a filter wrench handy, sometimes it's necessary to puncture the filter with a screwdriver to gain enough leverage to unscrew it

XPS 15 or Macbook Pro

>>58441372
>>58441479
It's not a matter of can you or cant' you.
It's a matter why would you
Why would I carry around 5lbs of cheap plastic if I can carry around 1lb of premium materials with the same power

>>58447433
You must either be a fucking sissy or a little girl.
>cant fucking carry 2.5kgs
kys

>got old shitbox 2011 T420
>UPGRADE all shit CPU SSD RAM Battery
be able to use until 2020+

T420 BEST WAIFU

>>58441844
>The ultrabay battery would help a little but I'm not going to pay $60 for one.
How have I only found out about these now

>>58441844
I literally found an ultra bay brand new for 25 bucks on ebay mane. Just gotta get out there and look.

>>58453259
/thrad

>>58445191
>chink shit
>hi standards

Ohh anon

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>>58454702
Just because they were manufactured in China, doesn't mean they are shitty quality

I bet you can't see the difference between made finnish smartphone compared with chinese or indian

>>58451808
>1366x768
>best
lmao.

>>58454702
Almost everything you own is chink shit

>>58455747
FHD IPS?

>>58455888
good luck getting one.

>on the market
>not actually on the market or sold by manufacturer

Enjoy your cum encrusted worn out business machine which is only good for browsing simple websites and editing text documents.

>>58456207
you win this time

>>58440765
why is it x220t?

>>58441105
Manlets, will they ever learn?

If you're not lugging around a 17 incher through smoldering heat uphill both ways in the snow with fifty pounds of cables and a small disenfranchised orphan in your backpack, you're a fucking weak-ass faggot beta who could scarcely call himself a male.

>>58454406
You would, because of all the other benefits of the T420, and mentioning the weight is a red herring because it's not a drawback because it's SO FUCKING IRRELEVANT JESUS CHRIST

I'm literally using mine right now while sitting on my fucking toilet, because it is lightweight as fuck

If you're under 6'3" and can't deadlift twice your bodyweight you should consider castrating yourself

>>58441844
>can use it for a full day and it will have battery by the end of the day. I can browse /g/ with it, watch movies, whatever I'd do with a laptop.
my fucking sides

The Sandy bridge i5 is too slow now. I can barely watch 720p Youtube without having the thing shutter like mad. 1080p video in mpv is choppy as fuck as well. All this running Xubuntu 16.04.

Just get a cheap T440 and swap the trackpad, it isn't hard at all.

>>58440765
>absolutely revolting, bottom-of-the-barrel display

lol

>>58458202
What a load of bullshit. I play 1080p H.264 30mbps+ video without any frame drops on a Sandy bridge i3 laptop. And that's on windows where mpv performs worse.

Shut up you memer.

>>58440765
Actually, the best deal is a T440 or T440s with a FHD screen. Make sure to spend an extra $30 to swap in the T450s trackpad since the original T440s trackpad is the reason all of these machines are so cheap right now

>>58458148
#opinionsarefacts

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>>58440765
That's not a Let's Note

>>58458148
>woosh

>>58442528
get two 9 cells
switch after the first dieded

>>58440765
Are you retarded. T560 or T540p maybe if it has to be Lenovo, though I would like to switch my T560 for another laptop that has quad core and better GPU.

>>58458867
It basically is a let's note.

>>58443522
>confirm to my idea of "/g/ culture" and get out of my safe space!
it's you who belongs on Reddit friendo, circlejerks aren't welcome here and we at least like the idea of not being sheep that buy into things just because they're a meme

got a bookshelf full of thinkpads including multiple T4xxes and they're really not all that great aside from how cheap they are, like the rest of the T series in general with all the gutlessness of a proper portable like an X but with the bulk of something with actual performance like a W/P

That's not the y510p.

>>58441105
Do you have cancer or something? How do you even notice the weight? It's barely more than empty air

>>58461021
actually less than empty air which presses on your body with ~14 pounds per square inch

>>58441844
Reminder that these are the people shitting up /g/: people who don't even use computers.

>>58460062
>huge
>plastic
>16:9
>isn't a convertible
Yeah it's totally a comparable laptop

Used one at work for a couple years and still use it today as a backup. It's always been reliable when I needed it in emergencies. My job then life cycled a bunch of them and sold them for $120 (after tax) and it came with 2 new batteries, 2 chargers, a dock, and a carry bag. Don't regret that purchase.

Where can I buy a used T420 for a reasonable price?

>>58461910
Ebay dude. You might have to sift through some crap but the deals are there. Picked up my x220 a couple weeks ago on there for less than a hundred dollars in great shape.

>>58461968
How does this look?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T420-4178-6UU-Price-to-Sell-/142243393908?hash=item211e5df174:g:AF8AAOSwiDFYNJS6

>>58461995
Looks like a pretty damn good deal. I'd just check with him and make sure the bios isn't password locked

>>58462031
Would it be worth it to go for an i7, 8GB of RAM, and a 128GB SSD for $70 more?

>>58462069
It all depends on what you're going to be doing with it. If you need the extra processing power or if you were young to upgrade the ram and to an ssd anyways then sure go for it

>>58441992
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-T420s-14-LED-Laptop-Core-i7-2640M-2-80GHz-128GB-SSD-8GB-RAM-/182419982768?nav=SEARCH


Is this the Nvidia dGPU one?

>>58440765
because you're poor

>>58440765
Because its the complete opposite of a MacBook in looks, so nobody will want to steal it.

I would spring a bit more for a T430/X230 which are also on ex-lease, ivy bridge is more power efficient and igpu is decently better. My X230 surprisingly came with an IPS screen which has all but eliminated the biggest flaw of ThinkPads

>>58465085

If only the x series had socketted cpu slots. Why lenovo?

>>58440765
to anyone on the fence about buying one
just do it
It's robust, aesthetic, handles everything and can be upgaded as much as you would like (you put 3 drives in it, 16gb ram, hackintosh, wifi card and cpu can be upgraded etc) it's cheap and IT JUST WERKS

>>58441132
take my upvote

>>58441372
i know carry means "carry to the other room" for you but u know normies go outside, go to the uni, and go to work

>>58441844
DELETE THIS

>>58449098
>>58443726
2009 UniBody MacBook is literally the oldest still usable one, anything before that is shit and it's literary like 100 bucks.

>>58440765
>T420
Ayy I have one of those.
[spoiler]best laptop i've ever owned[/spoiler]

>>58441105
fpbp
It's heavy and bulky.
It even includes a fucking optical drive, which is just stupid.

>>58465846
>not taking it out and putting in another ssd/hdd
plen
msata x 2 ssd x 1600 res x 16gb ram maste race here

>>58465857
you forgot
>2 hour battery life

>>58441105
This. too heavy for 14 inch. W520 is better if you are /fit/ enough. otherwise get a X220

>>58465921

w520 or t520 are better based entirely on the FHD screen alone.

>>58465857
same here, but only 8GB. i can admit the battery life is complete shit, but i just carry my charger in my backpack, im never actually away from an outlet. if i really need the extra juice (say, a trip) ill just buy an ultrabay battery

I still can't understand why /g/ poor fags can use shitty display in Thinkpad laptops. Dell XPS 13 is best laptop at this moment.

so I did not understand lenovo thinkpad t420 shit to write programs and work programming or a great system?

>>58466042

> Dell XPS 13 is best laptop at this moment.

This is a joke right?

Just tried one out the other day and quickly realized that not only is the keyswitch actuation shit (2013 macbook is better), but the whole keyboard surface is not flat and flexes when you type. Shitty typing experience aside, there is no way such a flimsy piece of junk going to be relied on by me.

What laptop is better to work with programming and writing programs?

>>58466142

Any laptop with Linux support will work for that. The t, w, and x series ThinkPads have the best Linux support of any laptop, which is another reason they're highly recommended here.

>>58466165
thanks

>>58466165
on how to be a powerful laptop for such work?

Good laptops just don't use them to watch films or consume any media really. Also t420 it's just too damn heavy. Sorry.

I recently got gifted a Lenovo 700s and while the build quality is consumer trash, the screen is seriously gorgeous and it's super light. Honestly I guess it really depends on what you want. Saying best laptop is pretty meaningless.

Do you have money?
So you just want to code and use it for work?
So you move around much?
So you prioritise a good keyboard?
Do you watch a lot of films/series?
Do you play games?

Depending on your answers to the above an old thinkpad might be your best option or it may not be.

>>58460733
>circlejerks aren't welcome here
>we at least like the idea of not being sheep that buy into things just because they're a meme

Clearly you're new here you little faggot. That's just what dum/b/ niggers tell normies to avoid getting shamed out of their friend circles when found out

cf. nVidia/AMD, FSF/Open Source, Skub/Anti-Skub

>>58458860
Like shit they are. MY opinions are facts, the rest of you are simply toeing the line of acceptability until the day of the rope

>>58466247
if you're not getting something for free like most of us a t460s should be much better though.

>>58468060
Well considering that most posters on /g/ are 18-21 that's to be expected. Once you get a job spending a bit of money on a laptop really isn't a big deal. 800 euros is nothing.

>>58468153
Don't know where you live but a t460s is actually more expensive than a ideapad 700 in US.