/hpg/ - Headphone General

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First for memephones

>>58413019
Recommendations for closed headphones that isolate and are comfortable? Budget <$300. Preferably around $150 is possible.

>>58413148
>Headphone purchase advice
http://pastebin.com/fYZLW7Ub

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World's best headphone edition

*brrrraaaaaaaaaaaaap*

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>>58413148
I've been using a pair that has moderate isolation with good comfort AT-M50x. ~120$

I just bought pic related to try them out, and they isolate really well, but are quite uncomfortable, what replacement pads or other ideas are suggested for these?

>>58413148
DT 770
Comfy as fuck, and somehow still isolate greatly with velour pads.

>>58413256
>m50x
>good comfort
pick one

>>58413225
Hi, Tyll at NiggerFidelity here.

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>mfw when everyone on here said the hd600s would sound about the same as my dt880s
>mfw i went ahead and bought them anyway
>mfw i heard them
ya'll niggas deaf or summin. they're a pretty good second reference

>>58413256
i sold those not too long ago. the 1350s are absurd things: i've spent a significant amount of time with 2 different pairs - 1 gripped my head like a vice and the other didn't even form a good seal. the bass response was a bit lacking in both desu, but the loose fitting pair were just not very good.

>>58413327
>DT 770

? I have occasional discomfort once every few days along the bottom of my ear while wearing these, and never notice fatigue from weight or itching beneath the band. Mildy warm. I never said Great Comfort, but I'd say they qualify as good.

>>58413361
>>mfw when everyone on here said the hd600s would sound about the same as my dt880s
No one has said this ever.

Where's generally the next step after these headphones anyway? I feel like I've hit peak performance for the price range.

Do not have an AMP, is that what's going to get the next step? Or what headphones / price range are the next real noticeable quality jump?

>>58413392
i asked in 2 or 3 different threads that i wanted a sidegrade from the 880s and every single time i was told not to bother with the 600s because: too similar.

>>58413366
Sounds like your ears are just larger though and don't play well with round cups.

>>58413361
Anyone who said HD600's would sound the same as DT880's are fucking retarded.

>>58413415
After what headphones

>>58413433
Oh sorry, the Beyerdynamic/AT M50x/VMODA m100s.

They all are very similar in the amount of quality you get. Each gives in some areas but performs in others, but they all seem to equal about to the same.

>>58413433
I've got a K712, what's a good second ref

>>58413594
880/600 guy here - either one would be fine. the 600s are more 'fun' imo mostly because of tighter bass at the cost of width + less prominent sub. but desu either pair would be more fun than a 7xx.

>>58413594
I use a k712. The HD650/600 are meh. The veil shit is true sometimes with them.
>>58413415
You're pretty much pissing money away when jump from the $300-$500 headphones to some $1000+ headphones. You get into the real audiophile bullshit territory with that. Tubes amps etc. Where suddenly a Schiit Stack or O2 odac don't work but are detrimental to the music some how.

Also in the past years these "hi-fi" headphones like the HD650 or now labeled "mid-fi".

what volume to listen at?

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>>58413019
Best budget headphones coming through.

>>58413880
you don't want to be putting too much pressure on your eardrums. You literally lose sound quality because of how your ears work. So, loud enough to hear what you want to hear, but you never want to be flinching from the noise, and you definitely don't want to feel fatigued after hours of listening. (A steady slightly-too-high volume is also damaging given enough time.)

If you're looking for actual decibels, fuck me if I can remember. I have never dealt with an environment to need to concern myself with that kind of information.

If it's just personal use, do what is comfortable. Discomfort in listening is not a good thing.

>>58413880
I don't have any solid numbers but I just go loud enough to match surrounding/environmental noise, then down a few notches. I want to keep my hearing for as long as possible.

>>58413960
Id rather the slightly muddy midbass 558's over the grainy highs of the 9500's

Still good headphones if you can get them cheap enough, but the $20 more for 558/598's is worth it imo.

600 > 6xx

>>58414021
But the 650 is 8.33% better than the 600.

Anyone out there?

>Budget
$400 max
>Location
United States
>Source
iPhone 7 Plus (My sister bought it for me as a gift) / Fiio E10k
>Type of headphone
Full Sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Hella comfy
>Sound signature
I don't know if it's possible to get a sound similar to AKG Q701's, but anything close would be great.
>Past headphones
Currently using MDR-7506. I didn't like them at first, but they've grown on me.
Had HD 558 before that, didn't like them and returned them.
Before that AKG Q701. Loved them, but couldn't afford to replace them at the time, so I sold them. I'd order them again now, but I want noise isolation.

>>58414116
There's a k7xx drop on massdrop right now for $200. Very similar to Q701s.

>>58414116
Try MSR7 with aftermarket pads. It is more treble-focused than most closed headphones in its price, which fits your preference, but as far as isolation goes, it isn't the greatest. For pure isolation, you should look towards IEMs.

>>58414181
Did you even read the post?

>>58414181
>>58414116
Shit, sorry, I missed the closed part.

is the soundstage and bass on the m50x REALLY that bad? I'm thinking of getting the white ones because they look so damn cool, but not if I'm going to hardly use them

>>58414010
>I want to keep my hearing for as long as possible
Yeah me too. I work in a loud environment with machinery and my coworkers think I'm insane for how dedicated I am to wearing ear plugs at basically all times. When I started I stupidly didn't bother and now have lightly audible tinnitus. I only hear it totally silent rooms tho and thankfully hasn't affected my music listening.

does somebody own a parrot zik 2/3 headphone in here?

>>58413415
the endgame is a Stax earspeaker system

>>58414397
what's more important than hearing damage is hearing skills

>>58414458
not with the thin bass, sealing issues, farting and high sensitivity to dust and humidity that make them only usable in certain situations

>>58414504
is your reference m50x when you say thin bass? because it sounds like it

>>58414532
no my reference is most dynamics or even planars

i can tell you've never listened to an estat in your life.

>>58414547
but the speed dude. the speed

>>58414458
>Stax
The only company that beats Sennheiser in terms of shit build quality for the money.

>>58414568

What about hifiman?

>>58414021
>>58414081

You can have practically the same damn headphone if you eq them. It's autistic to fight over the two.

It's essentially, do you want more bass or do you want a more neutral sound signature? They're more alike than they are different.

>>58414621
What about them? I wouldn't call their build quality bad. At least they're not charging hundreds or thousands for plastic headbands and overpriced cables. For the most part they use standard cables these days. That's a huge plus as far as build quality goes.

are these worth it just for movies?
how much of a better sound difference is it from a pair of hd 559 and my creative gigaworks t20 series II speakers?

>>58414021
How are them grapes? A little sour?

>>58414504
>thin bass

Not an issue with the Omega frames. Just saying since the guy was talking endgame. Even some lambda stuff like the 207 or nova signature has flat bass, though that's not typical for the series.

>sealing issues, farting
You can only have one, not both. The first doesn't happen outside the rectangular models though and is pretty easily fixed with some 507 leather pads.

>high sensitivity to dust and humidity
That's generic of stats. Stax doesn't have this issue hardly at all compared to koss/sennheiser/kingsound/etc. Their dust guards are really good. And the humidity thing is basically a japanese meme. If you don't wear them with wet hair, you can live in swamp and they'll still last 30 years.

>>58414796
only the 007 and omega don't have incredibly thin bass, the 009 still does.

>>58414842
The 009 has peaky treble but can make bass fine. It's not like say a SRX-MKIII where it straight can't even with EQ. Still, I don't know why the hell they decided to voice it like a bog standard lambda. Hopefully they fix it with the 009MkII or whatever the new flagship they're working on is.

>>58414912
wasn't it just an SRM-T2 successor? no new headphone

>>58414924
Don't know, it seemed like they were working on a T2 successor for 2018'ish and vague stuff about working on a new omega frame with no projected release date.

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dt770 or 880 ?!

>>58415045

Open or closed?

>>58415049
don't mind as I will be only using it in my room with the laptop, which one sounds better and is more comfier
I will get an amp later, which impedance should i pick for the headphone and what amp should I get for them

>>58415100

i would buy the 880 600ohms then. but i don´t know what sound signature you like

>>58415153

for the amp, the magni 2 or buy a o2 kit

>>58415045
770 if you want bass and treble with reduced mids, 880 if you want more neutral with a bit of treble. The 770's isolate more noise since they're closed, but don't have as good of a soundstage as the 880's. The comfort is pretty much identical same with build quality.

>>58413960
picked them up for $50 on cyber monday - good deal at that price.

>>58411823
>no veil
Veil is literally Sennheiser's sound signature and what makes them so "not fatiguing".

>>58416056
the 600 can be fatiguing if you listen to a lot of vocal centric music

>7XX dropped today
>already ended
How the fuck? Did they just sell out or what? I was looking to get either those or the 6XX but I guess I'll have to be quicker next time.

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>>58413019

Alrighty /hpg/ I'm in need of assistance. Pic says all. Send help.

>>58413148
I would go for the senn hd 25-1ii

>>58416150
Stop getting scammed by kikedrop and buy 712, they're better.

>>58416261
I'd hope they're better because they're also over $100 more.

>>58416369
http://www.ebay.com/usr/dwi-international-8
^^^wait a few days for this guy to get his stock back up (he usually has 10-15 at a time) . He sells them at $235. I bought some and they came within a week. I thought it would be fake shit because it was coming from Hong Kong but they are authentic and I couldn't be happier.

>>58416210
599 if you want warm mid-centric non offensive sound
DT 990 if you want insane treble and low end. super fast high energy bumfuck sound

880 is probably the best middleground of the two. treble is a bit hot for some, but its fairly neutral and has better low end than 599's.

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Massdrop memes edition

>>58416942
God the 6XX paint is ugly. It'd be cool to dip them in something.

Is onboard soundcard (ALC662) have enough power for Headphone with 3M cable ?

https://keeweeshop.com/product/studio-headphone-isk-hp-580/

>>58416953
I like it better than the stock 650 desu, it's too glossy looking.

>>58417026
should be ok

>>58417026
Cable length means nothing below like 20ft unless its shittily insulated. Those are just superlux 681. You can get them for like $28 USD from China. Onboard should be satisfactory.

>>58417074
Ive never liked any of the 650/600/6XX looks desu. Im planning on building my own HD6?? one day. Gonna buy the drivers and housing from sennheiser or try and find a used model, and then build my own housing, and use a Beyer headband. Should hopefully be breddy cool.

>>58417089
>>58417128

Thanks

Budget- Around $100
Location- US
Source: Laptop,phone,ps4
Type of headphone- Full size
Closed
Comfort level: Doesnt matter
Sound signuature: Doesnt matter
Past Headphones: Beats solo HD

>>58417320
M40x

>>58417151
Why not use the HD800 drivers?

>>58417446
Havent seen them anywhere cheap, and the housing system is a lot more complicated.

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>>58417456
I mean as far as building housing around them surely it wouldn't be that much more complicated?

I'd like to see the driver in an HD580/6xx/Orpheus style housing though

>>58417472
Nah, the 800 enclosure is a lot more complicated. So much more shit for sound to reflect on, and material choice is a major factor. HD6?? Are just drivers straight up facing the ear in an oval enclosure. You can buy the entire driver, and housing 'frame' part for $70 USD each side. All I'd need to do is manufacture an oval enclosure, a way to fasten pads, and a mesh back, and then attatch the headband. It's not exactly the simplest, but its cheap and I end up with a nice product without the retarded sennheiser build and cabling.

>>58417544
You don't need to replicate the HD800 housing for the driver though, it's the reason why the 6kHz peak exists in the first place.

A better enclosure would let the driver show its actual potential and the distortion is lower than the 650 driver

>>58417557
Makes sense. I'd still need to be able to source the drivers affordably.

or build something like an akg k1000 with hd800 drivers - would that work?

>>58417586
>>58417717
FWIW http://www.head-fi.org/t/752877/3d-printed-closed-headphones-with-hd800-driver

>>58417784
No idea what FWIW means, but damn, that's cool as fuck. Still, affordably sourcing the driver is the main concern.

>>58414670
You've never seen their Edition X or HE1000?

>>58417802
For what it's worth

Any closed back alternative to the m40's at the same price?

>>58417814
NVX XPT100/Takstar Pro80

>>58417814
NVX XPT-100 or Brainwavz HM5
Both are built worse than the M40x though, and dont quite have the same raw sound quality. Close, but not quite there.

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>>58417151
>>58417446
>>58417472
>>58417544
>>58417557
>>58417586

I present to you the BeyersnapheiserAKGMAN HD1000. It is a homebrew solution that combines the best of the best dual drivers purchased on aliexpress from China, they are actually the same drivers used by high-end models like HD800 but cost only a few dollars, the big corporations are scamming you!
Each driver has its own frequence response especially adapted to the intricacies of the human ear canals.
This innovative design does not use outdated concepts like earcups, instead the drivers are placed directly on your ears, which provides deep bass, impressive soundstage and world-class isolation, all while being a completely open-back design.

Tired of the headband on your Sennheiser snapping? Worry not, the high quality, aluminium headband will last you a lifetime. The best thing? These headphones are fully modular and completely open-source, do not waste your money on propietary snake oil!

>>58417852
Holy shit, that's revolutionary. Truly the pinnacle of audio reproduction.

>>58417586
isn't there a way to fund your project?

>>58413960
They're probably one of the best headphone below $200. They're easily powered and very comfortable but they break rather quickly :/

>>58414458
>not the Orpheus II

Stax is outdated. At the price of their complete TotL system you can get an excellent dynamic/planar headphone setups. Lately there are a lot of great high end headphones popping up in the market. I think they're a much better alternatives for Stax, easier to maintain too.

>>58417892
What

>>58417909
crowd funding or something like that

Daily reminder that most of these headphones are for mixing and mastering, something your pleb brains can't understand.

Of course they are going to sound like shit when you use them for listening to music because they're designed to give a flat response across all bands and make no attempt to hide flaws in sound. Don't buy studio headphones if you're an audiophile.

Didn't realize /g/ was so autistic.

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>>58417852
Needs a subwoofer to be truly endgame.

>>58417898
>They're probably one of the best headphone below $200
Hardly. K7XX utterly blow them out of the water in terms of raw quality. Even HD5XX line could be argued to better. SHP9500 has incredibly unnatural and grainy treble. They're great for the price, but theyre certainly not giant killers or whatever they re often praised to be.

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>>58417924
Hey, there, pastr

>>58417898
They're good, and the BF deals were amazing, but I still prefer my HD 598 Cs.

Double the price, and I hate the cable jack, but I can hear details with them I don't pick up in anything else I've used.

>>58414318
They're somewhat fashion cans. The bass is like the beats (you can find them at walmart to test them out) and the sound is RIGHT in your ear.
Little to no sound stage; if you're doing something pro and under an hour they'd be okay because you can hear every detail with murdering highs that make you wish you'd kys. Couldn't wear for over 45 minutes because they squeeze your brains out and they actively make you sweat.

>>58417922
I mean, potentially, but I don't think anyone wants to see some dumb nerd build a headphone. Monetarily, I'd probably be better off documenting them on video and doing youtube revenue/patreon shit, and become autistic australian DIY Z reviews

>>58417932
Doesn't K7XX need an amp, tho? Sometimes I just want to use my smartphone or laptop, not haul fucking infrastructure with me.

>>58414318
No, the bass is actually quite good for the price. You may disagree if you don't want V-shape, but then again just get M40x if that is the case. Low end is slightly sloppy, but is present, and for ~$100 USD, its definitely competitive with other similar options.

Soundstage, yeah, not great on them. You can widen it with HM5 pads, but that also rolls off the low end a bit, though it'd still have plenty of it.

The highs on the M50x are the worst thing, if you're sensitive to it. DT 770 is an all-round better headphone unless you need portability. Similar signature, but with much better comfort, soundstage, and raw sound quality.

>>58417957
Depends on your phone, but it is likely. You could easily just get a CMOY, which is $50 USD for DIY [far less if you get your own parts] and is often the go-to portable amp.

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>>58417932
For the price range they're good but the K7XX are 200+ and I'm not familiar with that line so I can't judge them. And yeah, I can't listen my fav singer/songwriter because her highs make the treble rattle on the 9500s

>>58417976
You forgot how uncomfortable the m50s are :^)

>>58417952
maybe you are right

>>58417952
Well you'd have to building incredible headphones to pick up attention and Z Reviews are always fun to watch/

>>58418012
He didn't really mention comfort, and I did mention HM5 pads, though not specifically in regards to comfort. It's pretty safe to assume he's heard of the comfort issues if he knows about the tonal and soundstage issues.

>>58418033
Good point, idk why people still recommend them with all of these issues

>>58418027
>>58417952
>Z Reviews

>>58418040
They're decent if you need a portable V-shaped headphone once you put MSR7/HM5 pads on them, otherwise 770's are a much better but for only $30 more.

Why do 770's keep getting recommended as portable headphones lately? They're not as bulky as some headphones but they lack the features that other actual portable headphones have like swiveling/folding earcups, mic remote or a detachable cable unless you put in the effort to mod them like that.

Is it weird if I have like microstatic in my earphones?

I'm using Shure SE215s right now and I can hear a bit of microstatic in my music whenever I play stuff at low volumes.

To clarify, the source is my phone, the redmeme. If I play my music loud enough then I'll just barely hear it, but I dunno. I like hearing stuff too, a little.

I'm playing FLACs so I'm unsure if it's the music or what

>>58418160
Likely your IEMs picking up the noise floor in your device. Its a common issue with sensitive IEMs. Only way to solve this is get a new phone, or get an external DAC for your phone.

>>58418277
I guess the cheapest solution that works for me is to just play my music louder, huh? I'm usually at 10% of the bar, in quiet places, going up to 20/30% in some relatively loud ones like the commute.

What are some relatively cheap and external DACs if ever?

>Budget around 80 USD
>Location Mexico
>Source phone/computer
>Type of headphone full sized
>Open or closed open
>Comfort level comfort is top priority
>Past headphones none

>>58418323
>cheap and portable DACs*
Sorry

>>58413019

Three brands sitting on his head.

I fucking hate the world.

>>58416942
is it worth-- i mean what do you think about it?

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>>58418598
I might look into something like the KISS mode to tame the midbass hump but other than that they're great, though the cups could accommodate my big ears a little better

>>58418631
KISS mode? Mod? What model of DT880 is that in the measurement?

>$200 ~(flexible to 250)
>Germany
>Laptop
>over ear
>closed
>comfy

want them for electronic and hip hop mostly all though I listen to all genres, will be getting an amp with a 150% budget next month

Where do you >buy your music?

>>58418725
dt770 80 ohm

>Budget
150
>Location
USA
>Source
Computer + Dac Amp
>Type of headphone
Full Sized
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Comfortable for 5+ hours of wearing

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>>58413019
THIS IS MICROPHONE REQUEST NOT HEADPHONE

>Budget
$AUD 20 - 30
>Location
Australia
>Source
ASRock B85M-Pro4 (cheap motherboard)
>Type of microphone
Clip on microphone - good quality
>Past Microphone
Zalman ZM-1 or something like that. The sound quality isnt very good and there is a lot of white noise. Its also omni-directional which means people can hear everything.

>>58418680
250ohm
>KISS mod
http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/hd650-kiss-mod.3440/

>>58417992
Get Viper4windows and eq that shit

>>58418888
Literal autism.

>>58418892
>Viper4windows
Why not Equalizer APO?

>>58418888
Could just EQ dumbo my man.

>>58418919
I don't like to EQ because I switch between headphones and speakers too often and it's a pain to change or disable/enable the EQ all the time.

>>58418866
guys help

>>58418866
SHP 9500S

Super comfy.

>>58418925
I guess that's fair. Same output device in use on the computer?

>>58418949
Both on my DAC2

>>58413344
Where were you when Tyll was paid to shill beats?

https://youtu.be/PcpIba9SSjE?t=582

>>58418727
Bandcamp preferably, Beatport and alternatives when I got no choice. I occasionally order a physical CD, too.

Need amp/dac.
Have £400 to spend.
For desk use only.
Can be two separate units, i don't mind.
I have DT770, DT990 and K702.
please help.

>>58419101
JDS Element.

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Found a Sony DR-6M at Goodwill. To my delight, it works perfectly, just had to clean off the plug with a Dremel brush.

But what's the best/ideal way to clean the pads? Usually when I buy old stuff, I'll wipe it with a wet paper towel, then with alcohol. But this cotton pad was coming out black, which I'm sure is the surface of the ear pads coming off. What does /g/ do when wiping ear pads?

how are the beats ep? the build quality seems solid and the price is pretty good

>>58418876
Sony ECM-CS3

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For anyone that cares/remembers

I bought the Audio Technica ATH-MSR7s last week and was initially disappointed in the sound, but now that I've had them for a few days I am starting to really like them. The sound is incredibly clear, the bass is rich, if a little weak when compared to headphones that emphasize it more, but it's very balanced.

When listening to music it's easier to discern what instrument is playing, and for rock, particularly more relaxed genres/artists such as Mark Knopfler for instance the quality is fantastic.

In video games I hear things that I didn't hear before, with better clarity. I tried to go back to my old headphones but the sound signature was very muddy and unclear in comparison (Sennheiser PC 363D) which is to be expected since it was a >headset.

My only complaint would be that the cups are fairly small and shallow and I'd prefer them to be a bit bigger.

>>58419404
You might have to straight up replace the pads.

>>58419101
Jotunheim or NFB-11

>>58419483
>NFB-11
im worried about the build quality

>Jotunheim / JDS Element
these both interest me but once i add VAT and shipping to the UK it's too expensive.

>>58419587
Build quality on the NFB-11 is fine. Old AGD had shithouse build and didnt use exactly the greatest components. Newer AGD shit is fine. Doesnt look as nice as the jot, but its build is up to scratch. Plenty of people have had them for a while, and I personally haven't seen any posts doccumenting faults. Get other opinions too though.

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>>58419483
Where would I get pads for something out of production for 3 decades?

>>58419635
Most headphones are able to use other brand/model pads, unless they use a weird fastening system like sennheiser or AKG

are the pads removable on those?

>>58413019
Currently using pic related. Only cost me £35 but the general consensus seems to be that they sound as good as £80+ earphones.
What I want to know is, if that is the case, would upgrading to some proper headphones + dac/amp make much of a noticeable difference? How much would I have to spend for a worthwhile, non-placebo increase in sound quality?
I wouldn't really call myself an audiophile but then I guess I've never owned a good pair of headphones to know what I'm missing out on.

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>>58419862
Forgot pic, soundmagic E10's

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>>58419862
>Currently using pic related.
>no pic related
Every time.

Bought a pair of bose quiet comfort 35. Great sound!

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>>58419605
i'll give it some consideration.
i'm also looking at the fostex hp-a4bl.
I don't need a balanced output at the moment but it would be nice to have.
There doesn't seem to be much information about this amp though.

>>58419862
I would guess that a good €60 headphone would be an inprovement over those IEMs. AKG K240 studio for insrance.

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>>58419644
Didn't fully investigate yet, but the pads appear to be glued on.
If anything, they do have a slight brim (for lack of a better work) which I suppose something could wrap around.

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They're awesome, seriously. One of the best buys I've ever made

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Please help me out /g/
Which headphones are good for FPS competitive gaming and listening to hardstyle, techno, trance etc ( no dubstep)? It also has to be very comfy, willing to spend good amount of cash to get one which will last me for a while.

I was thinking about Beyerdynamic dt 880 or 990 is one of those headphones a good option?

>>58419972
don't bother with any audio-gd product, they're absolute garbage.

IIRC the HPA4BL has resampling that you can't disalble

Jotunheim is a safe bet, do they not have an authorized reseller there? I know they have one for Europe in genral.

>>58420265
yes
yo'ull also need an amp tho

>>58420318
What kind of amp do you suggest? Also which of those two headphones are suited for my needs? Or do I just take the cheapest out of those two?

>>58420330
dt990 is more v shaped, so if you want a stronger V shape, that's the one
dt880 is better if you disregard the differences in sound profile

>>58420265
yes, dt 990.

>>58420277
>Jotunheim is a safe bet, do they not have an authorized reseller there? I know they have one for Europe in genral.
they do. it's 550 euros in their EU store. and out of stock.

>>58413019
that guy looks like a total retard

Does /g/ have any headphone stands the shape of a head recommendations?

I specifically want a head so I can also place my vive over it.

Hey!
I'm currently using the Marshall Mid Bluetooth (actually ordered them yesterday and received them today)
Sound quality is pretty good I'd say but I was wondering if there's room for improvement. The sound could feel a bit more heavier in my opinion.

Preferences would still be:
>200 Eurobucks max
>Bluetooth
> on ear, around war I don't care
> i listen to everything basically, from rap to metal to classic so it should be well balanced while I still prefer them to feature slightey more Bass

I have to say I'm a long time apple earphones user so I'm not really used to greater quality

>>58420703
the only good bluetooth headphones are mdr1rbt & XB950BT
well other than the QC ones

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My rockboxed Sansa Clip+ is dying on me. What is the new king of music player?

The Fiio M3 looks like a strong contender but I would like opinions/suggestions.

>>58420792
Thank you for your advice! But I've heard they're a bit too bass heavy.. I mean I do like it heavy but still wanna keep a balance.

What do you think about the AKG Y50BT, or JBL Everest 300?

>>58419587
>these both interest me but once i add VAT and shipping to the UK it's too expensive.

Here is JDS labs the Element from a german authorised distributor and it goes for 389€ including VAT and the do ship to U.K.
http://www.headsound.de/epages/63028271.sf/en_GB/?ViewObjectPath=%2FShops%2F63028271%2FProducts%2FJDSELMNT

Anyone has THE ELEMENT, how is it? I am going to order it soon.

>>58420967
Cowon Plenue D

>>58421294
That's not quite the same price range as the Clip+.

>>58421309
It's the king. Sansa Hiss Plus is not.

which is better:
Bose QC35 or Sennheiser Momentum 2 Wireless?

>>58420967

Fiio x1 2gen if you want cheap, x3 2nd gen if you want a better one

>>58418866

Hd558

>>58419464

I had them, and just EQ to lower the highs and they keep great still the bass is the best thing it doesnt overwhelm and is very tight

>>58421391

Qc35 for its noise canceling

>>58421391
QC35 if you need comfy cans and ANC, Momentum if you want good sound.

>Budget
150-220€

>Location
Spain

>Source
PC, I'm not planing to get a DAC/AMP, maybe Fulla 2 or something on that level.

>Type of headphone
Full sized/over the ear

>Open or closed
Open

>Sound signature
neutral, but anything is fine. I listen to rock/punk and watch anime.

>Past headphones
Some gayming ones and they are kinda heavy.


A friend has the HD598 and they are pretty good. Wasn't there an upgrade of these? The HD6XX?

fuck me. someone is selling a HD 800 that looks like its in good condition for $600 locally. i should go for it right?

>>58421870
HD6xxs are only available through massdrop, though.

>>58421870
6XX arent an upgrade, theyre just an entirely better headphone. They're a massdrop version of the HD650.
They're $200 + shipping on massdrop, but youre gonna have to wait for them to drop again, which who knows how long that will take.

You can get 600/650's for about $260 USD on sale on amazon. Not sure what they are locally.

You'll want an amp for these though. A fulla 2 should do fine.

>>58421899
If you want neutrality with wide ass soundstage and phenomenal imaging and dont mind the hot treble, yes. They're picky with amps though in my experience, even still, you could probably resell for more than that anyway.

>>58421870

HD600 is the upgrade, hd6xx have better bass, if you want to save money go for the HD598SE is the same as the hd598 but black and two cables

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so whats the consensus on the the newish fostex cans, the t50RPs?

>>58421928
>6XX arent an upgrade
>theyre just an entirely better headphone
what

>If you want neutrality
>and dont mind the hot treble
what

>picky with amps though
what

>>58421870

Spain dubs sucks btw

>>58421870

Also check akg702

>>58421968
Fuck off Lil John. /mu/ is over there.

>>58421965
Needs modification to be good. Otherwise theyre shit. Stock pads are also garbage.

>>58421965
>consensus
You expect to get one on 4chan?

Imo they are really average headphones and I fail to see their appeal. Build is iffy, response is wonky, they are quite insensitive so you might have to get an amplifier for a decent volume. Mediocre in every way.

>>58421999
what

>>58421899
If the headphone is what you want, yes. It has its appeal, pros and cons.

>>58414397
>I work in a loud environment with machinery
Same. There's some fucktards with their loud motorbikes or V8 cars vroomvrooming my fucking eardrums off. Thank god for Etyplugs XS.

>>58421968
Second two were about the hd800s.

>>58422317
Yes and none of those make any sense.

>>58414397
>I only hear it totally silent rooms
that's not tinnitus. that's completely normal.
you are a hypochondriac. you are one of those faggots who once got sick a few days after drinking some milk, haven't drank it since and make a point of telling everyone you meet that you are lactose intolerant.

I bought sennheiser hd 4.30, did i fuck up?

lil wayne really?

>>58422649
>sennheiser
yes

>>58422392
Not him, but no, that is tinnitus. Its not remotely serious, and anyone who lives a normal life that isn't an infant likely has it, but is still technically tinnitus.

>>58421870
So, after some answers, I think I'll get the HD598se, they are 147€ here.

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>Budget
>$100
>Source
Phone or PC
>Type of headphone
IEM
>Comfort level
Preferably comfortable, plan to use while in labs (hours at a time)
>Sound signature
neutral or bassy
>Past headphones
been using iphone's earbuds i got from my sister, before that had skullcandy titans which I loved but were a bit too bassy.

Any rec's?

>>58422865

Are they the hd598se?

How much are the k702?

>>58423373
160,90€ or 133€ but they are not in stock there.

>>58423308
shure se215

i've done some research but i still have a few questions

>what are the most "neutral" headphones i can get with a hard limit on 500 and then 2000? by neutral i mean where the bass, treble and mids are all equally good but the headphones aren't "boring" because i honestly think that all of these are equally important to me and don't want any one to overshadow another. if neutral headphones are always boring then i don't mind choosing the fun ones. also, what sound signature makes headphones "fun" if neutral makes boring?

>why are electrostatic headphones so expensive? are the SR-009 worth it?

>what's the next best thing to electrostatic headphones?

>what headphones can i get for under 100 to get started? i want to get my feet wet first before blowing the big bucks

>are dac/amp combos somehow worse than individual dacs and amps used together?

>are the dacs and amps that cost thousands really better than say, ones that cost 300? because doesn't the dac just convert the digital signal into analog and amp power the headphones?

>what are some headphones by Audio Technica worth checking out?

>what's some store in the states where i can test headphones myself?

>why did my ears heat up and start hurting after awhile when i was using my friend's cans? is this common? they were ATH-M50X

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Ultra poorfag here
What's your honest opinion of Monoprice 8323?
I enjoy bass and never owned a high quality headphones or audio system before. Comfort is not the biggest of my concern. Price and sound quality is the top priority.

>Budget
$80 can go 100$ if really worth
>Source
Phone
>Type of headphone
IEM
>Comfort level
Preferably comfortable, 2-3hours of constant use.
>Sound signature
neutral (i listen to rock and some quiet piano songs)
>Past headphones
apple earbuds and akg iems (pretty cheap ones, didnt like them as they always stick out too much and the volume is really bad)

>>58423827

Neutral IEM the best ones are the HF5 etymotic, look for a deal under 100 if you can

Just got my 400i.

The table is stupidly short for desktop use.

Do you guys have any recommendations, in EU, for replacement cables? 2.5mm plugs.

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>check shipping last week
>mdr-v6 coming on Thursday
>check shipping this week
>mdr-v6 coming on Saturday
>unable to pick them up until Wednesday

What are some alternatives to the MEElectronics M6?

I just want (somewhat) durable ear-in earphones for sport use for less than 30€.

Do they still produce the M6? I can snag a pair of white ones for 20€ but all the other colours are like 40+ eurobucks.

>>58418911
Sure, if you want full manual eq

>>58423670
You need to learn how to describe audio in more quantitative fashion.
Audio doesn't quite follow concepts of upgrades and improvements.

>what are the most "neutral" headphones i can get with a hard limit on 500
>2000
SRH1540 either way.
But don't bother with it, better to just equalize your transfer function there and do it better.

>why are electrostatic headphones so expensive?
A long time ago, they weren't. Electrostatic/condenser headphones were more commonplace and much cheaper, as the simplest type of driver to assemble. A few considerations:
>Veblen goods/Snob effect
>Low supply and small scale manufacturing
>Matching and rejection procedure

>what sound signature makes headphones "fun" if neutral makes boring
There is no boring or sterile or anything like that. It's just preference, and not something that someone else can answer for you.

>are the SR-009 worth it?
"Worth" is dependent on what criterion you set. It fills a niche, it does it well. If it fits what you want, you buy it. So, what do you want from a headphone?

>what headphones can i get for under 100 to get started?
Just ask for popular stuff and figure it out from there.

>what's the next best thing to electrostatic headphones?
Here's a word of advice: whatever does the the thing you want doesn't matter, so long as it works.

>dac/amp combos somehow worse than individual dacs and amps used together?
Not at all. Why think that? Audio hobby tends to prefer discrete products, but this isn't a matter of engineering.

>>58423670
>are the dacs and amps that cost thousands really better than say, ones that cost 300?
They can be better, but they often aren't. If you dump your minuscule budget into a few top shelf parts, you won't be able to build the rest of the board. But, higher priced stuff may just be built by hacks who do things for the sake of being contrary(snob effect).
Actual improvements can be measured but not necessarily heard. Low noise requirement is generally more important than transfer curve linearity.

>some headphones by Audio Technica
Why AT?

>some store in the states where i can test headphones myself
I can't know, a lot? There isn't something that resembles an audio store chain once you move past Sam Ash/Guitar Center and Magnolia stuff. There's bound to be a better suggestion that is much more region specific.

>>58425177
first of all, thanks a lot for responding

>learn how to describe audio in more quantitative fashion.
where?

>better to just equalize your transfer function there and do it better.
i don't understand this. should i buy or not? the SRH1540 don't look very high end like the HD800S and whatnot

>Just ask for popular stuff and figure it out from there.
well?

>Why AT?
i like the name

What desktop speakers you all recommend? I was looking at studio monitors but i think they cost too much to me, i already have a hd600, anyone know or use a good 2.1 pc speakers

>>58426162
Budget?

>>58413960
I bought them on christmas, they're pretty good but I just upgraded to some DT770's.

>>58426278

200 usd tops, looking for bang per buck

I pondered pulling the trigger on K702s a while back here, and now they arrived.

They're a refurb so I have no idea if they've actually been burnt in, but the bass isn't thin at all - coming from DT-770s.

And I can certainly hear the benefits of their open design.

And this is just with my mid tier home theatre amp, I wonder if HiFime 9018 is a tanglible improvement.

I'm enjoying the meme so far.

>>58426624
>the bass isn't thin at all - coming from DT-770s.
Am I being memed

>>58426661
I listen to bassy music so that could be a factor - but I've also used and abused the hell out of the DTs for 6 years so that might have taken a toll on them.

Either way, while obviously less powerful, I don't find the bass lacking at all, rather pleasant in fact.

>>58413361
>HD600 similar sounding to DT880
Damn, whoever told you this never heard either

MDR-7506 vs. MDR-V6 vs. MDR-CD900ST?

>>58427070
whichever you get the easiest/cheapest

>>58427152
Can you give a more serious answer?

>>58425706
That was supposed to be the SRH1840, open backed headphone.
>don't look very high end like the HD800S and whatnot
You said to come up with flat headphones, not pricier ones. 1840 nonlinearity makes it less than absolutely ideal.
You can use a parametric equalizer and make another headphone output flatter than what can be done by acoustic means alone.

>where?
The wiki has most of the info listed or in the links. Not too organized.
Maybe I'll write something up by the next thread, if you remind me.

>sub-$100 options
Sony MDR-V6 or 7506
Brainwavz HM5/NVX XPT100
Audio Technica ATH-M40x
Sennheiser HD518 and 518

>>58427242
I'm not sure what you're expecting
they're the same thing, so get whichever is cheaper/easiest to get

>>58427295
So there's absolutely no difference between the three?

What does /g/ think of the meze 99s`

>>58427335
they have a different name and a different color
besides that I think it's just release date/region.
Though there is some changes that were made to the driver magnets or some shit. but I think they were just changed to be the same and the change was a long time ago

like I said, just get whichever is cheapest/easiest

why are people hating on sennheiser

>>58427398
Doesn't give you hipster credit now that its a well-known brand.

>>58427392
Thanks then. Can someone else confirm? CD900ST are on amazon for 171$, V6 for 100$ and 7506 for 80$. There must be some reason for the price gap.

l4 gaming headphones, with 7.1 (dont know if im retarded or not), changeable cabel,comfy, sound quality as high as possible.

>>58427468
so in your case, you should get the 7506, like mostly everyone should

the price gap is because cd900st is mainly because it's japan's, and v6 is a slightly older model IIRC

if you were honestly considering getting the cd900st, you should consider a noose instead

>>58427700
7.1 is retarded yes

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>>58427468

the sound is so slightly different between the v6 and 7506 that might be irrelevant, maybe one is more loud than the other at the same volume, the 7506 is grounded on both drivers, and the v6 has a common ground, the CD900ST is bought by people who wish to monitor string instruments, like when you want to record your flamenco sounds, or to monitor singers

>>58427700
read OP

>>58427398
Sennheiser just gets hyped too much for its own good.

>>58427799
but they're the only ones capable of manufacturing decent headphones at decent prices

>>58426162
Nearly everything will sound like shit compared to the 600's, especially around that price.

>>58427877
even sub $100 speakers sound better than the 600s, headphones aren't comparable

>>58427851
What?
HD650s were over $500 when they first came out.
HD800s is like $1700 for no fucking reason.

Unless you mean their 5-- series. Which I guess is alright. Not the only options though.

>>58427889

like what speakers?

>>58427908
and chifiman is releasing a new 'flagship' at $6,000, which audeze will be soon to follow

stax flagship is already at $5k

name another headphone manufacturer with prices as sane as sennheiser's while still having the same fidelity.

i added in the fidelity part so AKG can't count because their products are rubbish

>>58427932
the Kro Craft

>>58427937
>Anything under $6000 is midfi
>AKG a shit
Can't help retards

>>58427957
>Anything under $6000 is midfi
wasn't implied at all but nice try
>AKG a shit
their only semi decent product is the K612 Pro

>>58427286
i don't want flat headphones. flat is boring. i want headphones that will kick me in the fucking ass or induce a psychedelic trip or make me feel like waking up in Vegas or some shit.

what is the sound signature on the sub 100 options you listed and on the SHP9500 and HD 202? i'm considering them too.

>>58427975
Sorry I don't take anyone seriously that says you need to spend $1000 for "hifi".

Go buy a tube amp or maybe some magic cables. It'll make you feel better about the Sennheiser shitposting.

>>58428034
so incapable of rebutting any claim made in the post that he has to go into full shitpost mode and start talking about irrelevant shit, hilarious

you enjoy your cheap akg headphones run from your $10 DAC/amp which is likely worse than your onboard solution

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Glorious shure se215 arrived today. Orgasm in my ears.

Any in ear headphones that aren't shit?

>>58428063
UERM

>>58428044
I use a Schiit Stack Uber 2 with a pair of k712. I enjoy it. I hear no reason to upgrade to something like a HD800s and [insert amp/dac of the month here].

>>58428088
you talk about tube amps and magical cables yet you dish out for the 'uber' meme, lol

>>58428100
Sorry I didn't name it "Uber". Must be memes...

>>58428146
you spent more money on zero audible improvement, you likely never use the additional inputs on the modi uber and the k712 are not difficult to drive so the additional power of the magni uber is useless

>>58428063
>>58428087
Budget is $200ish I guess.

>>58427398
Snappheiser

>>58427468
>V6 for 100$

Damn, glad I got them for $55 then. Slowest goddamn shipping ever though. >>58424727


A friend is getting MDR-1A for $150, be interesting to see what the extra hundred gets you.

>>58428157
It was on sale... And I wanted them.

But thanks for assuming.

>>58428160
etymotic mk5

>>58427889
>even sub $100 speakers sound better than the 600s


m8 what the fuck are you smoking.

1. name sub $100 speakers that sound better than 600's

2. how long have you owned your akg's.

>>58427949

can you recommend me one under 200 usd? im looking for a pair, and the kro craft is expensive on my country

>>58428204
see >>58427949

>2. how long have you owned your akg's.
i own 650s, which are in every way superior to the 600

>>58427949
>the Kro Craft
I couldn't find these new - are they discontinued?

>>58428209
Micca MB42x w. amp or PB42x is the standard suggestion under $200

>>58428215
Full autism

>>58428230
>I couldn't find these new - are they discontinued?
they don't appear to be in stock on amazon right now but i know somebody who just got a pair last week

>>58428245
dumb poorfag shitposter

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I got these because I heard they were solid and pretty cheap. Pads were uncomfortable so I put a good pair on and it was fine! They sound pretty good and I don't get too anxious wearing them outside because they only cost 20 bucks.

Only issues were the 9 foot long cable and the weak 3.5 mm jack set in a pretty heavy plug casing. They lasted for about a year and a half before I accidentally the 3.5 mm jack and broke it off. I guess non-replaceable cable is a pretty big kick in the puss though I've seen a pair that had a plug modded in so I might try to recreate that.

>>58428192
ty senpai

DT 770 16 ohm for $100 - good price or okay?

>>58428215
>the Kro Craft
No idea how they sound but I've seen them recommended as good cheap speakers. Still Highly doubt they sound better than 600's.


>i own 650s, which are in every way superior to the 600

hahaha.

The 650 is a literal bloated mistake version of the 600. I've owned both and the 600 has a better sound signature overall.

I would put my life on the fact that you've never owned the 600 before. Opinion disregarded.

I bought DT 770 Pro 80ohm and Im currently using them with integrated sound. It sounds very flat and cold, will AMP/DAC make a difference?

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>>58428268

>dumb poorfag shitposter
>HD650 costs less than the 600
>Acting like $300 headphones makes you rich

Nice shitposting.

>>58428822
you're a nigger

>>58428551
>I would put my life on the fact that you've never owned the 600 before. Opinion disregarded.
why would i own an inferior headphone? i tried both and bought the better one

>>58413299
I second this, I love my 770's

>>58427937
>stax flagship is already at $5k

More like 3k direct from japan. The US distributor is terrible about pricing. And their previous flagship still in production and getting updates is 1.5k, and is often considered the superior headphone to the 009.

>>58429032
didn't they just announce the 007 was being discontinued

>>58428029
bump

>>58429092
They just came out with a new refresh of it last year. Discontinuing before they launch a new flagship is extremely unlikely.

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>>58428822
>dt770
>flat

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>>58428822
>It sounds very flat and cold
Yeah, it must be the amp dac because they are not flat and cold.

>>58428869
Why is the 600 inferior? does the 650 have the more popular thread on headfi?

The apparent extra 650 bass was non existent and the actual sound signature was worse than the 600. The 600 is incredible but it's not even the cleanest . Why the fuck would you want the muddy version lmao.

>>58429349
the 650 has better technicalities, 600 distortion is laughable

>>58426433
JBL LSR305

>>58429361
Both are the best I've ever heard but the 600 was the more natural sounding by far. I Bought the 650 afterwards to find out which was best and I prefer it's design but it really doesn't sound as nice as the 600.

Each to their own.

>>58427379
Small cups, ugly as fuck, but decent sounding.

>>58427398
Often shitty build, and some headphones are veiled. Can be overpriced too. I do think the HD600's are one of the best headphones ever made for the price though.

>>58429361

There is no distortion or clipping, unless you're playing at stupidly high volumes or it's a bad source.

If you want to shit on the 600, talk about the bad build quality and terrible cable. The sound quality itself is great for the price, there's a reason it's still untouched 20 years later.

>>58429522
>there's a reason it's still untouched 20 years later.
the 650 beats it

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>all this autistic fight over 600/650

>>58429620
meanwhile he posts content from the most cancerous fanbase on the facce of this earth

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I just got my Shure SE846's today.

I like them a lot. Great improvement over SE535's.

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>>58429648
A Sennshill talking about shit fanbases?

>>58429731
>2hufags
>autism
pick two

even kancolle is less garbage, at least the character designs are good and there's good porn of it

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>>58429742
Who are you quoting anon? Can you try typing a complete sentence also.

>>58429782
you need to consider not having absolute casual tier taste

the curse of being a newfag i suppose

Do I need an amp for Phonak Audéo PFEs?

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>>58429788
Why are you not using sage anon? The thread wasn't off the 1st page yet or close to being cleaned.

>>58429829
because unlike you i don't strive to post the lowest quality content, that's what your sage is reserved for

>>58429837
But a sage isn't a downvote silly. Don't you know what a sage is anon?

>>58429848
why aren't you posting more of your saved sample images from danbooru?

i was enjoying how stupid a newfag you are

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>>58429868
Because I don't keep images for long and often loose them.

If enjoying a series since the early 2000s makes me a newfag you got me.

>>58429912
enjoying touhou makes you a newfag and trying to prove you aren't one by saying you've liked it since the early 2000s just exposes how much of a newfag you are

>>58429930
I have no way of proving or disproving that.

>>58429939
liking touhou is evidence enough

>>58429951
Mobile user opinions aren't the most valid.

>>58429971
what do mobile users have to do with it

>>58429980
You

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>>58429930

>>58430025
except i'm not a mobile user

>>58430041
You type like one for fun?

>>58430062
only a touhoufag could be autistic enough to sperg about punctuation on 4chan of all places

once again showing just how new you are, people typed like on the site long before smartphones were a thing

>>58430075
There weren't any mobile users when chans started.

>>58430095
glad to see you agree

>>58430106
About?

>>58430120
the prominence of the typing style before mobile users existed and the fact that it has little to do with mobile users

if anything your autism more resembles a mobile user due to phones automatically correcting their punctuation.

>>58430136
Is that so.

Is the m40x good for a low budget? And is it over ear or on ear?

>>58430579
Its over ear. M40x are good if you want neutral portable headphones. The stock pads are uncomfortable as fuck though. Status CB-1 are also an option, though theyre not as neutral, and not built as well. They do on the otherhand have great stock pads.

>>58430710
Thanks I'm gonna get the m40x since idc about comfort that much

>>58430710
but before I get them do you know how long they last? I see reviews about them breaking and having problems very fast

>>58430827
The M40x? A fair while. I've had my M50's endure daily use for years now. M40x share the same build. I'd put the issues down to the fact that they're incredibly common headphones. Other than Beyerdynamics, M40x build quality is pretty much on par with most other headphones under $150.

>>58430827
I still have a pair from 2.5 ish years ago back before they fixed the break point issue. Carry them in my backpack everyday and they haven't broke yet.

>>58430894
>>58430967
thanks

>>58421870
>>58421928
Fulla 2 is a piece of crap, don't fall for that meme company

>>58431132
Mind explaining why?

>>58431150
the pot is noisy, there is a loud POP whenever the computer turns on, if you use large cables it might not insert all the way in in the back for the DAC out ports, and the usb power port on the back is cut too small and has broken many peoples cables trying to insert/remove from it. knob has alignment issues as well. it also makes a click noise whenever you start playing music after a while. These are all well documented all over the internet. also the first units sent out were completely missing a part that made it not work with smartphones, and if you get one that was repaired, they'll have opened it up and it'll have screwdriver marks on the screws.

To make matters worse they're an extremely cocky company, just read up the owner's response to someone complaining they can't insert their 3.5mm cable into the back, the connector was on the larger side but not abnormally large, but the response was basically, "hurr durr wow gee sorry I guess we didn't plan on people using horsecock sized cables"

>>58431275
sounds like you have something personal against them

>>58431293
because I listed all the legitimate problems myself and many other people on head-fi/SBAF/shittit experienced with it, and, like many others, thought the company response to all the complaints after people spent $115 on it was cocky instead of apologetic?

fanboy pls go.

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>>58431293
>lists a bunch of problems with the device when asked, that a simple google will confirm
>point out the cocky response of the owner after lots of people complain about the poor build quality (and a simple Google will confirm they are in fact a cocky company in general)
>"sounds like you have something personal against them"

>>58424245
anything else? they sell for 130$ and thats a bit too high for me..

Should I get new pads for my DT 1350s or should I return them and go for a different pair of headphones?

As is out of the box they are extremely uncomfortable. Pain on outer ears, then pain inside the canal after a couple hours.

I have big ears, what headphones for 200$ would be good? I'm >>58413256 and still haven't figured out what to do with my headphones.

>>58431719
>>58417852