/g/, why aren't you using a BSD operating system?

>>58400869
Less online resources than Linux and the lack of software/drivers. Furthermore I plan to create a Linux only DE developer

>>58400869
Doesn't support my hardware (bluetooth, my wifi card, peripherals)
I use gentoo on my main computer, which is somewhat bsd-like in package management
the whole idea of having a cohesive core system is pretty cool, so i might run it in a VM, but linux works so well day to day that i can forgive its haphazardness

>>58400869
I tried freebsd and I learned to fear every update. I then moved to mint and then to lubuntu.

I am

>>58400869
Drivers, lack of. And the lack of LVM support. And the lack of LUKS.

because it's 2017
not 1977

>>58400869
I made the mistake of buying hardware made after 2006

>>58402990
ZFS, geli

>>58405295
Running FreeBSD on relatively new hardware here(2014ish)

>>58400869
Because Windows 10 is better

>>58405321
So my 6600k and rx480 will work fine?

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because I'm a gamer.

I choose to rock Linux Mint 18.1 Cinnamon Edition "Serena" on the bare metal of my rig

I'm running OpenBSD on an old computer I don't know what to do with (Pentium 4 uniprocessor, 1 GB RAM, IDE hard drives, came with XP). It works pretty well; I like the idea of a stable and audited base system that you can run by itself, but for desktop use, you pretty much need at least a few ports.

>>58405355
It might, I suggest you look it up(just like you would if you were looking to use fully FOSS drivers). If it doesn't, well, shit. But the statement that only ancient hardware is supported is false :)

>>58405744
Newest amd support is 7660
Newest igpu support is haswell
So no

>>58400869
bsd is CIA compromised
no thanks

>>58405915
Nice FUD

>>58400869
Why would I want to use it over Linux? What (practical, not philosophical) advantages does it have?

>>58407678

Working overtime, agent Johnson?

>>58407743
ebin

>>58400869
BSD has no drivers!

>>58409623
>smaller operating systems have less hardware support
whodathunkit

>>58409675
Jesus christ, you are high in denial, aren't you. BSD has no drivers and that's a well known fact. Instead of shilling BSD why don't you write drivers yourself for us "plebs" as suggested in your autism thread?

>>58409712
Everything I've ever tried running BSD on has had wonderful support, and I've never purchased hardware with BSD support in mind.

>>58409712
False, but...
>not writing your own drivers

>>58400869

about to install FreeBSD 9.3 on my Dell Mini1012 netbook. It's currently running Windows 7 and Kali 2016.2. I'm going to nuke the win7 partition and replace it with FreeBSD.

>>58405641

a few ports??? Nah b, you need a LOT of ports. I have a 2GHz P4 w/2GB RAM running OpenBSD 5.8 and to get it to be usable as a desktop I had to install a grip of ports. It's always been that way.

>>58410051
It entirely depends on what you do and the programs you use to do it. Mileage will vary.

>>58400869
I already tried that abortion of an OS.
The real question here is, "Who the fuck is paying you to shill this crap?"

because its connected to psychos (at&t) that gladly sell all of your info you trusted them with.

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>>58410150

>>58410150
being this ignorant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_Laboratories,_Inc._v._Berkeley_Software_Design,_Inc.

>>58410126
single unrelenting bsd troll runs these threads.

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>>58410126
See pic
TLDR: It's micorsoft

>>58410628
>software created by canonical

as if they offer value to anyone

>>58410628
>the BSD kernel
There is no common kernel, they're independent projects. OpenBSD has its own kernel, FreeBSD has its own kernel, NetBSD has its own kernel, etc.

What laptops work well with BSD?

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>>58410829
No laptops work well with BSD

>>58410829
Latitude XT2 with OpenBSD

>>58410853
ebin

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I am! Sort of. On another computer. My T60p that I wasn't using much before.

I installed OpenBSD a couple days ago. It's pretty intense compared to GNU/Linux, but I'm trying to slowly figure stuff out. It seems neat.

>>58410829
I've had my T60p freeze from closing the lid to go to sleep and also from docking it while it was already on. In both scenarios the lights remained on, but none of my input worked, and I was unable to reach the machine from ssh even. With the sleep freeze, the network had been disabled for sleep. The docking incident was a bit stranger. It wasn't refusing my ssh connection, so it was definitely still slightly alive, but it also wasn't accepting it. It was just kind of hanging.

Can't tell you much about battery life, as I generally have it plugged it. I've got the 9cell with most of its charge and I know it lasts at least an hour or two off the charger with openbsd. Wifi works fine. Connected out of the box during the install. Never had to plug in ethernet. I think that covers most laptop-specific things...

>>58410853
youre the biggest troll I've ever encountered

>>58400869
i want to be relevant in modern day society

>>58411001
That's what you get for using a dead router OS for desktops
>>58411123
Truth hurts, doesn't it?

>>58411212
>That's what you get for using a dead router OS for desktops
It's not really a big deal. It still works for what I used it for when it had Arch on it. I keep it hooked to speakers by my bed for when I want to play some music. I have cmus running inside tmux. I use sshfs to mount my file server's music library to play from. This all works. One complaint is that it's harder to adjust volume on openbsd.

what a surprise, the bsd thread on /g/ is full of misinformation and trolling. never seen this happen before.

>>58411212
oh yeah that really sums it all up. you win. anecdotal evidence from a PC-BSD install error represents the whole experience.

i've heard better arguments from 100 view youtube videos & comments.

>>58411570
That's kind of why nobody takes /g/ seriously anymore. It's a place where you go exclusively to shitpost. There's literally nothing good left here. I remember having discussions here with people who actually wrote a line of meaningful code in their life

>>58400869
because im poor and stupid?

>>58413099
how do you even make that big jump?

>>58413118
i think he forgot "not" in between "im" and "poor"

>>58400869
because BSD was left in the dust of GNU.

>>58413099
makes sense

>>58400869
gamas

Because I like to use R B A C on Linux

>>58400869
Because I don't want to help Cisco for free. Also
>no drivers

>>58413718
>gamas

This.

I'm comfortable with what I'm using now. I might put FreeBSD on my netbook after I upgrade it though.

>>58410853
Reading the original post here and laughing my ass off.

https://forums.pcbsd.org/archive/index.php/thread-14943.html

>u should just learn how its different

>If you want to check out PC-BSD, put it on a less important box
>less important box

>yeah go install something else then

>Excuse me, Achtually, bsd wuz furst

>U should just think differently

>3 pages of text about how BSD *must* drop all software because muh code purity and nothing is autistic enough for me

No solutions posted. I don't understand why the bsd-shitcommunity is so masturbatory over this idea of pretending they're approachable. Just put up a 72 pt "FUCK OFF PLEBS!!!!!" on the download link and stop trying to continue this farce. Be free. Embrace the 'tism, and just shoot yourself once you lose financial support or welfare.

>>58400869
No drivers for my hardware.

>>58415265

Forgot to mention I'm running GNU/Linux for gaming.

>worse multithreading than Lunix
>shit non functional/bad drivers
>filesystem worse than ext4
>slow bootup
that's why

>>58416533
>ZFS
>worse than Ext4

AES-256 Encrypted Root on ZFS with GELI, dtrace in base, a complete lack of systemd (which is developed for Lenneart Poetterings laptop, and nothing else), the handbook (over 600 pages of central documentation), jails (containers, but predate docker and are persistent), the fact that it has a base system with ports (base system is in /usr, stuff installed from ports is in /usr/local).

As long as FOSS programmers don't abandon POSIX compatability (which people like Lennart Poettering want them to, for whatever reason; probably the same reason he wants Linux to be 1 OS and not a myriad of distributions, in an effort to "win" against Microsoft, possibly?), software can be easily ported to FreeBSD (and most of it already has, /usr/ports contains +26000 entries).

>>58410724
They're all forked from BSD 4.3 Reno, though.

>>58416533
>slow bootup
As opposed to systemd which manages to be inconsistent about booting? Besides, OpenRC is being worked on (and is making its way into TrueOS soon) and that should fix the "issue".

>>58415997, >>58416533
Software has been more important than hardware ever since the 70s. You buy hardware for the software you want to run on it, not the other way around.

>>58413718
/usr/ports/games has over 1000 - it's only missing Steam, because Valve wrote Steam for x86, not AMD64 - and the FreeBSD Linux compatability layer is only AMD64-compatible. And as long as the game has POSIX compatability, it can probably run on FreeBSD with little to no effort.

>>58419588
>They're all forked from BSD 4.3 Reno, though.
Which was quite a long time ago.

>>58419593
1990, if I recall correctly.

>>58419588
First part of my post was supposed to be an answer to >>58407706

>>58400869
Why should I?

>>58400869
Drivers. Linux has them, bsd does not.

>>58400869
That is like asking why are not using 486 instead of Core i7.

BSD/UNIX were the experimental prototypes of modern operating systems, now that we have Windows, MacOS and Linux distros, we don't need to waste time with obsolete garbage.

>>58405422
How many packages? Post screenfetch. I am appalled that LM installs 3000 packages by default. So much bloat.

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>>58421614

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>>58409969
>installing old version
>installking kali
why?

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/g/ is such absolute shit. This entire thread:

>well Linux is more user friendly, why use BSD?

But change the discussion to about macOS:

>macOS is shit, gtfo shill

On top of that, this thread is clearly full of people who never got past the install phase of a modern BSD. OpenBSD, FreeBSD, even NetBSD have dead simple installers. Each of them provide simple documentation on getting X working. The FreeBSD handbook is some of the best documentation for an operating system even written.

On top of that, the philosophical argument is one to seriously consider. The GNU tool chain and many other Linux programs clearly don't match up with the UNIX philosophy of simplicity, modularity and doing one thing well. If you value these things, you cannot separate your computing experience from the philosophy in good conscience.

>>58421653
Forget desktops, most servers back end run Windows server, Redhat and Oracle. BSD is a meme.

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>>58421684
t. mactoddler that obsesses about BSD

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>>58421706

Nice argument. I am not surprised contemplation on the philosophy associated with computing is too much for your tripfag brain. Back to /w/ desktop threads. Unless you have something worth saying, you lost.

>>58421684
>UNIX philosophy
Sells for money. Apple brought it as well

>>58421734
UNIX is an antiquated proprietary system literally nobody cares.

Your arguments amount to tinfoil giberish, the GPL and Linux are the free software movement, BSD is irrelevant now.

>>58421781
>Thousands of BSD devs don't agree with that statement for very good reasons.

And they are wrong, as the market has already proven.

>>58421781
>Thousands of BSD devs
>thousands
anon. that's a little stretch

>>58421797
Chuckled.

>>58421813
Debian isn't user friendly though.

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>>58421848
>/why-is-linux-more-popular-than-bsd
>why linux is popular
>linux is popular
Now that's a progress

>>58421848
>why-is-linux-more-popular-than-bsd
Short answer? The GPL promotes innovation and fair competition.

BSD promotes dead forks and proprietary software.

It isn't rocket science any moron can see why BSD fails, including Torvalds.

Windows >>> Mac >>> BSD >>> Loonix

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>I can't into BSD thread

Cry more, Autism/Linux babies, if you can't put effort and time in your OS don't install a BSD system.

It's that simple.

>>58421889
>>58421903
>lose argument
>"let's start over, shall we?"

>>58421889
If you go purely by growth its more like...
Linux>Android>Windows

BSD never grew lol.

Linux is cuckold communist trash. BSD is not cucked and is pro white and not controlled by kikes.

>>58421861
Better yet, don't open your source at all, that way you get to control your code AND actually make a living with it.

>>58421923
>So this is the power of a hardcore BSD shill

>>58421916
>what's an ip counter? xD
Seems like you're lost
Here, plebbit.com
>>58421922
Only if this list is in reverse

>>58421753

Not sure what you mean by this. Apple used it as a base for their OS and make money from it, similar to how Redhat did with Linux.

>>58421778

BSD is not UNIX. It is UNIX-like. Nobody runs "UNIX". The point is that BSD adheres to design principles and philosophies that, personally, I believe are better. Linux and BSD can both be free software. The only competition lies in the philosophical differences because from a practical standpoint you can cherry pick nasty experiences you've had with BSD and I can do the same for Linux, but they both will get the job done.

Now, specifically, the differences I see that make BSD better:

> Code base has been around longer, more matured, patched and stable
> BSD documentation across the board is fantastic
> BSD can run most Linux binaries but not vice versa
> Software philosophy of modularity, simplicity, KISS
> BSD projects maintain the entire OS, not just what's on top of the kernel, or the kernel itself - this vertical integration is largely why BSD is considered so stable
> Not rolling release, ports only made available once they have been thoroughly tested

>>58421942
>what's an ip counter?
Hey I know that trick as well XDXDXDDDDDXD

>>58421903
BSD has non existent market share. 99% of general public does not even know it exists nor could give 1/8th of a fuck about it.

It is a useless OS with pathetic driver support even on obsolete legacy hardware. Linux is the true successor of UNIX.

>>58421930
this. Open-sourcing is by nature getting cucked. Whether you wanna take the whole dick in (BSD) or just the tip (GPL), you're still getting cucked.

>>58421952
>i just want to make video games to play
i went to computer science because i wanted to program video games like crysis and blackops
Nice. Why did you make this post though?

>>58421942
Linux is up 14% Android is up 5% and Windows is up 1%

The Other category that includes BSD is down 28%

>>58421986
Linux is shit though. Even windows is a lot better.

>>58421986
Numbers taken from Pornhub statistics btw.

>>58421952
>Hey I know that trick as well XDXDXDDDDDXD
>>58421984
>"i just want to make video games to play"
>i went to computer science because i wanted to program video games like crysis and blackops
Nice. Why did you make this post though?

Severe autism prevents people from having a coherent conversation

>>58422017
>haha I'll masturbate this guy, that'll show him!
It's 2am in the fucking morning you psychopath

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>>58422064
>wrong.
Stopped reading lol.

>>58422068
It's 2am in the fucking morning you psychopath

>>58400869
I switched to Linux because open source software developers support Linux better. This goes for both servers and desktops.

>>58422064
>nobody is stealing my throwaway code
Where did I say otherwise? If I am writing a substantial code I would go GPL. So companies will develop, give me back the improvements instead of closing it off.
0/10

>>58422085
Really Crazy. I mean okay let's look okay. You don't believe me? Hah, what a joke.

>>58400869
why are you so full of shit?

>>58422108
Post your GPL'd code here. It'll be closed off in a matter of minutes

>>58421923
Might as well be the new motto of edgy BSDbabbies

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>>58422125

>>58422125
If that happens and it gets proved in the court, enjoy your lawsuit

>>58422140
>I don't even know why I'm arguing
I don't either when you say stupid shit like that.

>>58422139
Yeah, don't try to post it or anything though. We both know the your toy license isn't capable of protecting any code. Nobody gives a fuck about it.
>>58422149
Go ahead, I'm waiting for your code.

>>58422160
Go to github and pick one from redhat. Tell them what you are doing and try to republish it.


>Shut the door, hence thieves steal your stuff
>Why do you need to shut the door, thieves can break in and they won't look for your permission

Dumb BSD cuck

>>58422160
50% of the world's population inadvertently support the GPL.

On your end you guys say stupid shit like OSX is BSD (it isn't) and that the PS3 is BSD (it also isn't). If you don't see the theme there I'll point it out for you, delusion.

>>58422184
I'm talking about your code though. Why are you so afraid of posting your aids-ridden sepples code?
It'll be closed off in a matter of minutes though it probably won't be sold since nobody has any use for hobbyist GPL garbage.
>>58422206
Where have I said any of those things? It seems like plebbit has messed up your reading comprehension

>>58422216
You can't into generalizations because you have autism.

>>58422216
>I'm talking about your code though
No, you are waiting for a GPL'd code.

>>58422205
Because of shit like this >>58421923 or >>58421903

>>58422240
> you are waiting for a GPL'd code
For your GPL'd code. If you think that shitty license protects you then you should have no problem posting it right now.

>>58422248
What makes you think I do not dev for red hat?

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>>58409712

Literally never had an issue outside of AMD with drivers on FreeBSD.

Linux is a SHIT Swedish knock off of Minix. Stop promoting it and sucking poettering's micro penis.

If anyone would like to continue and actual discussion, I'm still waiting on a response from my post:

>>58421949

>>58422261
Post your personal code.
And what makes you think I'm not working for Red Hat as well?

>>58422267
>Swedish
Typical bsdbabby

>>58422279
>grasping on the straw THIS hard
laughable

>>58422269
you won't get one, not a serious one anyway since linKeks aren't capable of that

>>58410628

>GNOME makes Linux usable
>BSD is a Microsoft conspiracy

The level of delusion is unreal.

>>58422288
You claimed that "license" protects your code. Go ahead, post your shitty sepples project for me to close off.

>>58422294
I've seen microshills shilling for BSD more than Linux

>>58422311
you'll have to wait for a while since linCux plebs aren't interested in arguing nor are they capable of it.

>>58421791

BSD holds more market share than Linux on both the desktop and server so...

>>58422305
>You claimed "doors" will protect me from thieves, now go ahead and point me your door.

Do you also suggest we should not have a door as well?
>yes

And this is what happens when you steal code that you have not been permitted to
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/wordpress-and-wix-trade-shots-over-alleged-theft-of-open-source-code/

>>58422342
>BSD holds more market share than Linux on both the desktop and server
haha. now this is the part where you will say macos is BSD

>>58422349
>And this is what happens when you steal code that you have not been permitted to
If you think that is in any way representative of the license you should have no issues posting your faggy sepples "code" here. Still waiting.

>>58422364
Wow
>give a real world example
>I WILL NOT ADMIT NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY

Does BSD completely disable your brain too?

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>>58422363
haha. now is the part where you post your shitty gpl'd code
>>58422384
if you think your example is a good one you should have posted your shitty code a long time ago. but it seems even the likes of you understand that GPL is a joke license and isn't meant to be taken seriously

>>58422397
You do realize BSD is never taken seriously right?

https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/California_Northern_District_Court/5--13-cv-05161/XimpleWare_Inc._v._Versata_Software_Inc._et_al/

>>58422419
Cool, where is your code though? If the GPL is so good it should protect your code from being stolen, right? I can even travel to your country so that it's easier for your shitty "government" to prosecute me.

>>58422233
>>58422240

You two specifically either have to reply to substantive arguments given earlier in the thread or publicly admit you're substanceless tripfags who use whatever software allows for maximum ricing and access to pedophilic anime porn

>>58422439
>I just got owned twice in a row: the post
*yawn*

>>58422470
Yeah, you sure did kek
Still waiting for your faggy sepples code. Or do you write in an even more abominable "language"?

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>not using a real unix OS
>not using a truly free-as-in-dowhatever-you-want license
GNU cucks everyone

>Why do you have laws, do you think laws prevent people getting murdered XDD

BSDcucks logic

>>58422490
>okay I got owned there now let's go back to my old strawman

>>58422496
Are YOU fucking blind, dumb weebshit? See >>58422108

>>58401067
Windows user here. I say the same thing about Linux.

>>58422506
UNIX is a certificate that you can buy if you want. And
> free-as-in-dowhatever-you-want license
you mean cuck licence. Even you get beaten by public domain licence there

>>58422508
Why don't you post your shitty sepples code? Are you just that afraid of people laughing at it?

>>58400869

GNU philosophy works better for my production machines. It's also largely more performant on raw kernel benchmarks and thoroughput (some major BSDs including Dragonfly lack even SMP support), as well as much broader device support. Most of my wifi dongles (Realtek) will not work on any BSD system, same with certain sound cards, sensors, watchdog timer, graphics cards, etc.

That being said, Linux does a lot of fundamentals questionably where BSD is far superior, but it's been changing. Previously the big advantages BSD had was the network stack and pf, dtrace, and ZFS. Linux now has nftables which is much nicer for big and dynamic rulesets and is more performant, eBPF for low level tracing which has nice Python frontends, as well as BTRFS which can change RAID configurations OTF. The only real advantage of BSD in modern systems is kernel level chroot, e.g. Jails, which even that is inferior to OpenVZ (Linux patchset).

>>58421949
> Code base has been around longer, more matured, patched and stable
I agree BSD is in general more stable, but it keeps you from getting good features such as a decent implementation of ASLR.
> BSD documentation across the board is fantastic
I agree with this point.
> BSD can run most Linux binaries but not vice versa
This is because Linux provides the cross-compiling toolchain. You can do the same thing on BSD.
> Software philosophy of modularity, simplicity, KISS
It's not necessarily good for the end user. Check the performance of grep, sed, and cat, as well as how they handle specific cases (sed on OS X used to not handle the 0th line).

>>58422526
Here is the thing:
Linux catches up with Windows
BSD catches up with Linux

>>58422533
last (you)

>>58422531
GPL is for cucks, install BSD.

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>>58422544
>install BSD
lel okay

>>58422543
>Linux catches up with Windows
I see, so Windows is indeed superior? Got it.

>no AMD hawaii support

>>58422557
>virtualbox
windows cuck spotted

>>58422559
In terms of software availability? yes.

Because macOS

>>58422573
In terms of literally everything. I'm glad you acknowledge that.

>>58422572
What an epic rebuttal XD

Are you also a dumb weeb?

>>58422589
>literally everything
No, not really. People don't use windows because they like the OS, they only like the amount of software developed for windows

I would stay well away from anything Ted Unangst touches...

>>58400869
No ASLR on FreeBSD

>>58422607
They make original software grow, the creator of the software gets a "thank you" and company closes it off and keep making money on the improvement they make. Might as well publish the software with no licence and still a company would pick it and take it away.

I don't want to waste my valuable time on a hobbyist os

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>>58422651
>this mad

>>58422692
I see microsoft's plan is paying off

We need to look at the root of the problem if we're ever to solve this bsd shit thread problem.

This has nothing to do with licenses.
This has nothing to do with code purity.
This has nothing to do with unix philosophy.

Those are all just fronts for the root of the problem: contrarianism. And beyond the contrarianism is failure to fit in an industry.

This is why you see this "oh use bsd but don't, you fucking pleb" quantum shit every day. BSD shits are turbo blasted that they chose away their job, money, house etc to think they are "impressing" other turbo shits on IRC. Except not even they care.

Everyone should actually also pretend they use BSD, so they start to think it's too mainstream. They won't be willing to learn any more obscure OS and will kill themselves.

If you really want to piss off a BSD user, say that you use it. Remember that every time you talk to a BSD community, you are only happening to talk to the subset of it that has not killed itself yet.

Thanks for the substantive post - interesting points. I agree with most of it.

The end-user point is also interesting. I would say I believe it will benefit the end user most of the time, and if done properly. There is the hurdle of making it be simple for the end user but also adhere to UNIX philosophy. I've used tools, like acme, that are not friendly out of the box. It requires spending time with and getting to know the software. The argument against that is that if it is KISS, it should be inherently usable. I'm not sure where I draw that line.

>>58422721
Most BSD fags are ego driven ex Linux hipsters. They hate free software movement. They hate Linux and GPL.

Ask a BSDfag why he's using it. his answer will always consist of pseudo baseles superiority complex

>>58422738
Meant as a reply to
>>58422538

>>58422848
hi <3

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>Wire doesn't work on BSD
Does ANYone care about deving for BSD any more?

>>58422651
this has happened for the awesome guy and now for dr kde shill. It will also happen to anyone who sticks around in any bsd thread long enough and starts to come to the same conclusion.

bsd shits are one of the weirdest groups online in which they have to do a catastrophic amount of work remembering all of these question dodges and they do so much more effort than any other retarded group, yet are so quick to come up with the same banning policy. go visit any bsd forum, chat, or site that has comments and you see the same pattern

>I am highly intelligent that is why I use BSD
>Here's some wrong dropout information on why bsd is superior
>If you even post the word linux, I will ban you immediately. I pretty much just want to hang with the win/mac crowd so I can pretend to be intelligent so fuck off

>>58422928
>gentoo
>ex Linux

You would say the same thing about Linux. However some recent issues of Microsoft crossing the line present legit reason to choose Linux over Windows :)

>>58422895
there also isn't a video player or torrent client.

Every time you bring this up, you get the quantum ports bullshit.

BSD user brings up ports = oh it's perfectly fine to use ports
Linux/anything else user brings up ports = lolports are insecure, muh attack surface, fuck off pleb

>>58400869
i am, on my ps4 pro.
:^)

>>58422956
ports are not secure?

Great

>>58422956
>muh
>>>/p/lebbit

>>58423045
See >>58410628

>>58423079
>evil corproprations xDD
>>>/r/ebbit

>>58422557
That's hilarious.

>>58423091
Case on point

>>58423098
hi <3

>>58423098
Also, to be perfectly honest, my new thread was reported by anarcho lesbian faggot.

This is a great thread full of meaningful discussion about the topic at hand.

>>58423131
looking back, I was one of the major reasons why this thread got wrecked. Although I was not used to be a BSD hater this much (look through the archives if you don't believe me).

But BSD shills started sperging too much. See how this one got upset
>>58423164
>>58423098
>>58423000
>>58422651


It's okay to be upset

>>58422738
I feel that simplicity is the best way to approach software especially from a developer standpoint, but the needs for most "normie" computation is getting increasingly complex. It requires a lot of new features such as CUDA toolkits and hotplugging big nodes for VMs, and eventually modularity breaks down because things become very interdependent. When you have only a handful of devs, KISS philsophy is much, much better. Much cleaner and easier to document. However, when you need to design for features and performance, bigger and more monolithic code is inevitable.

In my experience, BSD is very usable. There is nothing wrong with BSD except that design paradigm has turned away key players that would have designed software optimal for modern computing. HPC clusters simply can't run BSD because mpi implementations are so immature on the platform.

The thing I like the most about BSD is the centrality of development (vert. integration as you said) and it's been the lack thereof which led to downfalls of the Linux community (dtrace4linux or a solid photo editing program for example). The Linux community is politicized too much over pretty much everything and people fork stuff off because they don't get the features they want.

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>>58423198
Never said I do

>>58423178
This is only true because you post the arguments that BSD shits cannot counter. If anyone else with a name had done it first, it would be that name instead.

BSD shits are anti-information and anti-intelligence. I do agree some of it is going to be secret corporate shills, but I've seen one too many hipsters to not blame them as well.

Most important thing is, Linux has already won. Go back to any forum post circa 2002 and you see the same exact "why should I use linux it's shit" arguments posted because there was nothing at the time. Linux is now called a "gamer OS" by bsd shits because they know how bad they've collectively fucked up. You might as well call it an "apps OS" as a negative thing because it has software or a "driver OS". Make as many quantum threads as you want about this and cry, it will not change.

>>58423237
If I tickle you a bit further you may need to be hospitalised for loosing sanity.

>>58421422
That's not a good enough reason for an actual reasonable person. You want intellectual pleasure then watch a good film or read a good book. Computers and computer software are strictly business.

And yet, 60% of github projects are BSD, MIT or Apache licensed, whereas only 34% are GPL - and out of the top 100 projects, there's only 1 GPL licensed project and that's Linux.

>>58410628
m8, redhat's systemd shills are the worst. This microsoft conspiracy is really funny, where's the proof?

>>58423349
Because it's easier to throw shit at the wall and have something stick than it is to have to learn stuff and be helpful.

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>>58423326

>>58423349
I haven't found a good enough and pragmatic reason to switch from Windows 10.

>>58423398
MIT, BSD and Apache licenses are literally the same idea in three different cosplay (to use an analogy that you might have a chance of understanding), Dr. Shill. Now fuck off, namefag.

Goes for you too BePawsome, you fucking furry.

>>58423456
>seriously responding to namefags
>calling them by name
You should fuck off as well. I recommend plebbit

>>58423477
I'm not sure that's fair - there's plenty of hostile BSD users too, and plenty of friendly linux people. There's also just a lot of shitposters who try to throw a wrench in any civilized discussion because they have some religious attachment that makes them think their choice is the only right one.

My philosophy is, as long as developers make POSIX compatible software, there's no real problem - because all flavours of Linux and all BSDs are POSIX-compatible, and even if macOS isn't, enough of its userland is still from FreeBSD such that POSIX compatible software can be run on it.

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>>58423446
I switched when I found out stuff like these. Might not be your reason to switch.

>>58423477
Hell, I've been known to be plenty hostile when I meet Linux users who've recently switched to FreeBSD but apparently refuse to read the handbook or google for solutions to their problem (especially when I know that the solution can be found in the handbook, and it drives me up the fucking wall when they expect me to type out the exact commands they need so they can just copy-paste).

>>58423536
>posts as a namefag so they can be identified, but doesn't realize they're also demonstrating just how much of a fucking retard they're demonstrating that they are, considering they don't know how heuristics can trigger false positives.

>she really is a sepplesfag
and why am i not surprised

>>58423593
>loook I am better than you and you are dumb
So typical of a BSDfag

Gotta hand it to him, he's _very_ good at being a shitposter. Not so much at anything else, mind you, but very good at that.

Next OP should make a note in the OP about not responding to Dr. Shill or BePawsome.

>>58421626
almost 3100 packages. started with roughly 2300

>>58423841
I'm also the one who brought down at least 10 ptg threads :^)

One of them was really brutal

>>58423841
who are you talking about, plebbitor?

>>58423912
Me probably

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>>58423912
>be me
>be big league 4channer
>im alt right lul
>kappa
>here on 4chan me and other anons FLAME hard lul
>kys
>you done goofed
>we are legion
>ebin FLAME pham
>dae MOOT is a c.uck and a jew haha

>>58423972
stick to the topic or fuck off and pop another anti-autism pill because it seems to have worn down.

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>>58423998

go back 2 PLEBBIT if you can't handle the classic 4chan FLAMEJOB you

>newfag

lul you can't handle the bantz haha you got
>TUCKED

>>>/plebbit/ lol

>>58424042
Calm down. m8

Kind of ironic that you find out these BSD shitposters are all macfags.

They should rename it to BPD lol.

>>58424081
Okay, let's stop bullying. We are all friends hereby
--------------------------

If people complain over the lack of """""professional""""" software and gaymes on Linux, then what the fuck is BSD have going for it? I have pfsense on my router so that's something.

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>>58424106
I did a while ago.
Still gonna post this OC I just made though.

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I use Linux because muh gaems.

>>58424122
learn English before posting, plebbitor

>>58421626
>number of packages translates to huge bloat
Nigga some of these packages are very small libs.

/^(?!Anonymous$)/ is a good regexp for ignoring name and tripfags.

I use FreeBSD on my servers and workstation, and have used it for something like 15 years, and run OpenBSD on my router, and I recently managed to get NetBSD running on a SHARP X68000.

>>58424205
Well, Linux (strictly speaking its distributions) don't have any such thing as a base system, so even if they ship with a default set of packages, there's no standard as to where they go. With the BSDs, your base system is in /usr and everything else is in /usr/local.

imo its super cool when shilldoc anonposts just so he can shitpost more

>>58424194
>learn English
Fair enough, that post is really fucked up.
>plebbitor
Fuck off. The only reason I know about that site, its users, and how it works is because of you niggas talking about it. You can all fuck off for all I care.

>>58424301
I'm not him. The one who is telling people to go to reddit was doing the exact same thing in flt.

Warning: He has more autism than I do

>>58424321
Check the times, dear anon.

BePawsome and Dr. Shill, sitting in a tree.
K-I-S-S-I-N-G.

>>58400869
Because I'm comfortable with windows, a well developed and neat OS as opposed to something that's slightly faster and has few programs and games that are compatible with it. Also I don't use my desktop for much gaming, though it is an Alienware, but more for music production. A lot of obscure OS's aren't compatible with DAWs such as Ableton. Though you'll occasionally find one compatible with Linux.

>>58424644
kek

>>58424648
Did you try bitwig or audacity?

>>58424648
Ableton runs in WINE, which is available in /usr/ports/emulators/wine - audacity is in /usr/ports/audio/audacity.

Here is my fantasy:

>be!awesome, dr kde shill and I are all turned into female furries
>for no reason they have 10 foot horse dildoes
>I start shouting "I LOVE BSD LINUX A SHIT FUCK HIPSTERS TEE DASH TEE"
>they peg the shit out of me to teach me why linux is superior while also spouting other /g/ memes

I will be heading over to /trash/ to see if some desperate artist can make this a reality

>>58424757
Here, let me help.
>>>/trash/. Be sure to bring your hurt feelings report as well

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>>58424648
>Windows
>well developed
Your point about music production is valid though

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>>58421781

>It's basically paying the companies to help you.

Holy shit, did BeAwesome get threadwiped and banned? Fucking kek.

>>58425665
there's still at least one of her posts left