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>>58356397
>tfw you'll never be able to afford a Datograph
why bother living

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Vietnam era Timexes are cute

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4th for long forgotten Swiss brands

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>>58356591
timex had some neat little watches back in the day.
i really like the roulette dial (pic is a recent quartz reissue).

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New laptop, same old cheap watch.

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Just ordered one of these, kind of a thick bitch but I can live with that.

>>58356874

looks nice m8

>>58356853
>"""new"""

>>58356874
15mm is not bad for a chronograph, and the price for that watch is not bad at all for what you are getting.

The Seiko 8rXX absolutely shits on the Valjoux 7750. Are there even any other column wheel chronos available cheaper than an El Primero powered Zenith?

>>58356926
New to me and in damn good condition.

>>58356944
seagull ST19

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>>58354190
Nigger pls

>>58356397
What was your first watch /b/ros?

>>58356984

Neat. Wasn't aware that the ST-19 was a column wheel design or that it is fact a Venus 175.

If Seagull was willing to put in the care and attention to manufacturing, assembling and QCing them, that would be awesome.

Still, the 8rXX appears to be the only automatic column wheel chronograph movement cheaper than the El Primero.

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>>58356874
thicc tight and solid 15mm

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>>58357054
This Swatch irony chrono I got for my 11th bday back in 2004, I sold it two years ago and bought an Amphibia though.

>>58356665
>bet all on quads to be on the right time
>strike out
Just like the design of that watch.

>>58357107
>If Seagull was willing to put in the care and attention to manufacturing, assembling and QCing them, that would be awesome.
For sure. Unfortunately, they're making them down to a price. Nobody buys expensive chinese things.

>>58357130
that's damn thicc
almost steinshit levels

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>>58357178
Fuck you, I'm big and beautiful!

>>58357178
Automatic chrono movements are inherently thick, there isn't an easy way to get around it

>>58357144
>11 in 2004

Underage b&

>>58357210
The easy way is to not make them automatic

>>58357226
i have bad news for you
2004 was 50 years ago

>>58357206
>Sir mind pocketing that weapon or I will have to confiscate it
>What do mean?
>that "watch" on your wrist
>Oh no, this is steinhart, real german swiss quality timepiece
>Stop resisting!

>>58357206
THICC

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>>58357054
The one, the only

>>58357240
Even that doesn't help much, the vaunted moonwatch is still 14.3mm thick.

>>58357054
a very shit digital casio
the first watch i bought myself was a seiko 5.

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>>58357054
believe it or not.

lost it at age of 13, when the bracelet snapped during a hike.

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Sistem51.

A plastic escape wheel and pallet fork. I haven’t seen anything like this in even the cheapest Chinese movements, and I think every self-respecting Chinese engineer wouldn’t want to put something like this into a movement. Only the Swiss dare to go where nobody has gone before, and manage to construct the crappiest mechanical movement ever made. Congratulations!

>>58357054
Some terrible one I inherited from my grandpa. Runs way too fast, but 6-year-old me thought it was fucking awesome. Going to take a pic of it tonight.

>>58357565
That is the quintessential first watch I had the same
I had it for the whole of middle school

>>58356397
i had a couple of cheap broken watches when i was a kid.
i took them apart and later threw the parts away when i realized putting them back together was hopeless
as far as working watches goes - later, i had a couple Texas Instruments digital watches and a little later i had a cheap pocket watch - these were all gifts from family members

>>58357054

Mickey Mouse watch in the 80's

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>>58357054
This classic, I had my bike and locker combinations in it and my friends' phone numbers. I went through three as I grew up, the shitty lugs and straps tended to break.

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>>58357054
One of those watches that teaches you to tell the time. I can't remember the brand but it looked like this.

>>58357688
why, though?

how much could it cost to make that piece out of steel or even pot metal?

>>58358488
it's assembled entirely by machines. i'd assume making a regular, jeweled pallet wouldn't be possible.

>>58357688
Yet despite all the flak it took it's higher quality than any chink watch.

Also
>plastic is cheap
>plastic is shit
Plastic sends shit to space you fucking nigger. Just say it's not a material that's noble enough to be used in your retarded idea of "haute horlogerie".

>>58358754
>Yet despite all the flak it took it's higher quality than any chink watch.
but that's incredibly wrong

>>58358754
>Plastic sends shit to space you fucking nigger.
but that's not the same plastic

>>58358763
>but that's incredibly wrong
It works and it's accurate. The average chink watch runs more than a thousand hours.

>but that's not the same plastic
You analyzed the plastic I take it. What are your results?

>>58358794
>any chink watch
>the average chink watch
that's already not the same thing at all.
also, where do you stats on chinese movements come from?

>>58358794
>You analyzed the plastic I take it. What are your results?
I just have working eyes and I know how different kinds of plastic look. This shit doesn't send anything to space. It just barely holds the batteries in your little cousin's furby.

>>58358830
>I just have working eyes and I know how different kinds of plastic look.
I hope you're kidding because you really have no fucking idea what you're talking about. There's some 800 major types of synthetic materials, and each one can be customized based on thousands of different needs.

You can't fucking know which kind of plastic it is. And don't think the ones used in space are more expensive or higher quality.

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x-th for good enough

>>58358557
is it on ball bearings or what lol

>>58359010
i mean the jewels on the end of the fork

>>58358963
please, prove me wrong
i can't wait to see how this shitty plastic is actually super strong

>>58358963
>asserting that plastics can and have been used for any number of demanding applications
okay

>asserting that sistem51 is anything better than shit-bin trash
no

>>58359042
You're the one claiming sistema movements are shit because they have plastic parts. All I'm saying we can't know because we don't know what kind of plastic it is, but it's not necessarily shit, and you're the one acting like you know what kind of plastic it is, so please tell me more.

I myself recently replaced all steel wires and cables on my boat with simple plastic ropes: they're all lighter, tougher, sturdier, more durable than fucking steel cables, and I shouldn't ever have to replace them again.

Don't ever fucking underestimate plastic.

>>58359058
>okay
Not just "okay", it's actually used in situations where no metal alloy is suitable.

>no
So what's your in-depth analysis that isn't just based on the idea that "plastic is shit"?

>>58359174
i said "okay" as in agreement, dummy.

sistem51 is trash
a) because machine made movements are pretty cool, but it's marketed and priced as if it is a luxury movement
b) looks like shit
c) i doubt that the optimal friction on a plastic escapement can match that of a jeweled one
d) from what i understand, they run fine until they break

oh and also
e) fuck the swiss

>>58359174
kys retard

>>58357206
small dick coming through

>>58359242
>>58359248
Nice arguments fags.

>>58358998
shit Michael J. Fox is doing watch work now

>>58359242
>it's marketed and priced as if it is a luxury movement

No, it's $50

Should I get a cheap soviet stopwatch to play with?

>>58359401
same movement is much more expensive watches, which is silly.

i think that the whole machine-made thing is pretty impressive and interesting, but not by swatch.

>>58359401
It's 150-200 afaik

Not that I would pay even 5 for one.

>>58358998
Vostok are fucking trash.

>>58359401
Actually currently 150€. Still, while overpriced, that's not "luxury".

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>>58358794
>>58358754

WOW, you're an ignorant idiot.

90% of the parts inside your """""SWISS"""" watch are made in Asia

>>58356441
Sauce on the ray's strap

>>58359464
I think the point flew high above your head anon.

>>58359456
it's not a casual watch, by any means. i have no better word than "luxury," and i think it is fair to say they market it as a classy timepiece

>>58358754
>>58358963
>>58359174

Too bad for you at least one person in this thread has some familiarity with materials properties.

Plastics have drastically inferior wear resistant to the overwhelming majority of metals, much less to the jeweled pallets used in any non utter garbage tier mechanical movement.

There is no existent plastic with anything like the wear resistance necessary to make it suitable for constructing a complete pallet fork, and you know it.

>>58359517
>i have no better word than "luxury," and i think it is fair to say they market it as a classy timepiece
It's above entry level and it's marketed as a high techology fashion mechanical "second watch", which is what "Swatch" stands for.

>>58356397
>the year of our Lord 1945+72
>wearing a watch


Lmaoing@ur lyfe rn senpais ngl kys your'eselves

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>>58356397
Planning to buy this low-end Seiko because I tried it on at a store and it fits my tiny wrists well

Any thoughts?

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>>58356462

>>58359546
okay, in that case it is indeed 100% bullshit

>>58359536

Hell, are there even any plastics that would have sufficient strength and wear resitance to even conceivably be used for an escape wheel?

The Sistem51 is an act of utter contempt and derrision upon the consumer by Swatch.

>>58359536
>inferior wear resistant
If you knew that much you'd know there are different kinds of wear. Synthetic materials beat metals on many aspects depending on applications, which is precisely why they're used. They're at least certainly not only used in disposable situations, but also in very durable ones.

All of this is still speculation, and I don't really get your point here, if only there's one.

>>58359589
sure dude why not. seiko makes decent watches even for the entry level. and it looks pretty good.
metal bracelets on cheap watches tend to be a bit uncomfortable though. pulling hair and all that. you'd be able to change the strap easily if you wanted to though.

>>58357688
the escape wheel and pallet fork are made of a self lubricating polymer, which means that a throwaway caliber/watch will run accurately for much longer whithout losing accuracy. its a concept thats been around since the 70s and those movements are still running fine today.

>>58356397
I don't care about watches themselves, but I like the mechanisms. Is there a good in-depth book about internals of modern mechanical watches? About how it's designed, manufactured etc.

>>58359638
but it's not replacing metal here, it's replacing synthetic rubies.
please just kill yourself already.

>>58359638

Bullshit. There is no existent plastic remotely comparable to synthetic ruby in wear resitance. You are only pretending you don't understand my meaning because everyone else reading this thread isn't familiar enough with materials properties to call you a charlatan.

>>58359649

"Self lubricating polymer" aka it's plastic and will wear down and break eventually, since not even exotic metals have the wear resitance to justify being used for pallets in place of synthetic gems.

>>58359683
The escape wheel is plastic too.

>>58359773
good shit
what tea is that

How does /wt/ feel about Linux watches? asteroidos.org

what about "smart" watches?

>>58359668
You can check out watchmaking by George Daniels

>>58359723
it will indeed break down eventually. but by that time it has long outlasted multiple service intervals of a jewelled pallet fork, which is kinda the point of it being a disposable movement.

>>58356397

this is the fucking sexist shit ever.

but also I think if I was on LSD I would have looked at this and been the inventor of Mighty Max in watches.

>>58359723
Maybe you should stop acting like "muh horlogerie" is such a high precision industry that requires the best materials and techniques known to mankind. Anyone with the three braincells required to say "no" switched over to electronic measurement to begin with, and the rest fucking blows away every watch manufacturer out there.

Maybe some day you should gaze into the eye of an inertial measurement unit or a star tracker, and you'll see how far technology can go. With plastic. Watches are a joke in comparison, and can certainly accomodate plastic parts. Everything else screams overengineering.

You have no idea the extent of what can be done with all kinds of synthetic materials, so please refrain yourself from claiming mechanical watches are the apex of human progress.

>>58359846
Is synthetic materials defined as plastics?

>>58359846
why can't you even understand simple sentences
nobody is saying plastic is useless, just that it's ridiculous in this particular application. this thread isn't about IMUs or space shit.
go back to masturbating with your amazing plastics and leave this thread if you don't want to talk about watches.

>>58359589
even Archie likes Seiko and said he'd even buy a cheap one if he wasn't a horology snob and was just some regular schmuck like you

>>58359873
In this case yes. Otherwise those rubies are synthetic too but then it doesn't quite make sense.

>>58359889
>just that it's ridiculous in this particular application
Still zero basis for it. Kill yourself senpai!

>>58359773
drop it into that tea

>>58359791
basic assam

>>58359905
your entire argument is literally
>You don't know if it's bad! I use plastic ropes on my boat, so maybe this totally different plastic is good for this totally different application!
even when every single watchmaker is saying it sucks ass in this application

>>58359751

Indeed, and it's well known that plastics are often used rather than metals in applications where resitance to plastic deformation and adhesive and abrasive wear resitance are critical.

Oh wait, no, actually plastics are NEVER EVER used in those circumstances.

>>58359821

Ah yes, we should definitely replace something that will need some servicing every 5-10 years with something that that will grind itself into permanent failure at some indeterminate point in the future and which cannot be adjusted in any way in the meantime.

>>58359846

I see you are trying to shift the argument away from the specific materials properties that plastics do not possess which make them totally inappropriate for use in a mechanical gear driven system where strength and wear resistance are the top priorities, however I have no intention of falling for your cunning ruse.

Please indicate which plastics have anything like the wear resistance or resistance to deformation to be suitable substitutes for metals in an escape wheel or most of all for synthetic ruby in pallets?

China is already perfectly capable of manufacturing mechanical movements without these idiotic materials choices for cheaper than a Sistem51, incidentally.

>>58359943
>China is already perfectly capable of manufacturing mechanical movements without these idiotic materials choices for cheaper than a Sistem51, incidentally.
so is japan

>>58357107
ST1940 is the auto though it's rare; I only know it in the Lewis & Huey Riccardo.

The fact that the st19 series is really a Venus in some sense is great because my watchmaker will actually agree to service it

>>58359942
>You don't know if it's bad!
Well then some retards in this thread arbitrarily say it's shit.

Who's wrong here really?

>>58360029
I mean, don't you believe the actual watchmakers who say it's shit?

>>58359943
>Please indicate which plastics have anything like the wear resistance or resistance to deformation to be suitable substitutes for metals in an escape wheel or most of all for synthetic ruby in pallets?
Duratron PAI. I hope you're happy about that though that will certainly not help you and you probably won't even be able to check nor bother to do so.

You don't know shit about plastics, don't judge.

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what's the most you'd pay for a 2824?

>>58360107
depends on the rest of the watch
i wouldn't pay shit for a black bay 36 though. people only like it because "muh small watch" and "muh black bay", but in isolation it's a terrible design.

>>58360095
And you don't know shit about watches. Don't post.

>>58360142
I like it pretty good the crown tube I am iffy on though.

>>58360159
But I do know stuff about watches, I pop the back off mine and service them once in a while.

I also work on implantable pacemakers and defibrilators, but I can't really afford to open up people repeatedly to service them. So I know quite a lot of things about what's durable and what isn't. But hey, better remain ignorant and certainly not dare learn how the rest of the world is solving the same problems.

>>58359589
Those seikos are grear entry level pieces
I'd get a seiko 5 bracelet and is taht in question an auto

>>58360078
I'd rather think, as he well put it: >>58358754
>Just say it's not a material that's noble enough to be used in your retarded idea of "haute horlogerie".

If tomorrow Rolex finds out some plastics perform better, they'll never ever admit it, everyone would turn away from their watches because they're not "prestigious" enough anymore, and they'd have to drop their prices lest be considered "overpriced chink shit".

Truth is, watchfaggots really are on par with audiophiles, and manufacturers are on the same boats as their consumers, keeping their dream alive for as long as they can because that's how they make money: by milking guillible idiots. Once you wake up you realize quartz beat mechanicals a long time ago, and we may eventually discover that plastics could serve many purposes in mechanical movements, but that's something watchfags will never accept, just like audiophiles won't admit they're old and lost 60% of their hearing and couldn't tell the difference betwen $15,000 headphones and $10 rock zircons.

>>58359801
It's like £50 wtf
What is the actual content in it about specifically.

>>58360319
>If tomorrow Rolex finds out some plastics perform better, they'll never ever admit it, everyone would turn away from their watches because they're not "prestigious" enough anymore, and they'd have to drop their prices lest be considered "overpriced chink shit".
But that's wrong, Rolex keeps changing the materials they use and invest millions in research...

I don't really know anything about watches, can someone help me? I had this Seiko 5 for a couple weeks and it was working fine, but today it stopped working. If I turn the dial at all it does start working but only for a couple minutes then stops again. Anyone know what's wrong?

>>58360390
are you wearing it or just leaving it on a table?
if you're not wearing it it's not getting any energy and it will stop.

>>58360387
How often have they used plastic?

>>58360390
sounds like main spring is gone

>>58360095
>Comparing a material with a Vickers hardness below the bottom of the scale (less than 165) to a material with a Vickers hardness of 2500-3000 in terms of wear resistance

Stop trolling. Btw synthetic ruby even has a lower coefficient of friction that Duragarbage PAI. It should be obvious that resistance to deformation is also several orders of magnitude higher.

>>58360408
I was wearing it but it stopped working when it was on a table in the middle of the night. And I am wearing it after I try turning it a little but that didn't work.

>>58360430
Any reason how that could happen? Is it an easy fix?

>>58360465
try shaking it for a couple of mins its a 7s26

>>58360463
Duratron is a family, I have a 300 page large catalog with all options. Wear resistance is also dependant on the two materials in contact, not just one.

>>58359470
http://www.ebay.com/itm/252101165273?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

There we go Famalam.

I got one for my Monster and it fit perfectly, and i'm quite impressed from the quality as well.

>>58360480
it shouldn't stop while you're wearing it, the 7s26 has a very good automatic winding system. it's fucked.

>>58360390
its fucked not even worth paying someone to repair or even look at it just buy a new one

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So what should I do? Put the old one back in or reorder this dial and try again? It'll likely turn out better the second time. Probably.

>>58360497
>>58360573
But I just got it

>>58360579
>So what should I do?
Buy a real watch. Vostok are shit with no redeeming features.

>>58360584
just bad luck try contacting the seller you bought it from

>>58360579
did you cum on the dial or what

>>58360647
>no redeeming features
I once used one to hammer a nail.

I'm not even kidding.

>>58360647
>I have never owned a Vostok
>I have never serviced a Vostok
Ok kid.

>>58360684
Didn't thin it enough.

>>58360694
hope you threw out the watch soon after

>>58360706
No I still have it, and it's working the same as when I received it.

>>58360683
No I mean I just got it a couple weeks ago I don't want to discard it already

>>58360725
i was meaning get in contact with the place you bought it for a refund or exchange

was it brand new or used
and photos of the watch

>>58360482

Once again, stop trolling. Even if you DOUBLED the hardness of Duragarbage PAI it would still be less than 1/15th the hardness of synthetic ruby.

Even BRASS is harder than 80 Rockwell E, muh less 316L stainless steel. The materials data confirms 100% my initial point: No plastic can compete with metals, much less synthetic gems, in terms of wear resitance (which is largely a function of hardness) and resistance to deformation (which is largely a function of hardness).

Nevermind that there is just about zero chance that Swatch are even using this specialty plastic in their contemptuous throwaway movements

>>58360423

Why would Rolex use plastics where they are TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE? Are you kitchen knife blades made out out of plastic? Why not?

Hmm really maeks u thaink!

>>58360319

No. You are just so ignorant of the engineering that goes into making a quality mechanical watch movement that you dismiss it out of hand.

It's actually the Swiss who think like you do (that quartz meant the death of mechanical movement engineering) that have turned the Swiss industry into a marketing driven "prestige" peddling pleb-catching machine, and guess who showed them that contempt for the customer was the way forward? THE SWATCH GROUP, you inveterate pleb.

>>58360697
>>I have never owned a Vostok
>>I have never serviced a Vostok
I've done both.

Many of the "design features" Vostok fans laud, are actually Soviet workarounds for the poor quality of tooling they had available. They're about the worst designed commercially-successful watches in history. Every inch is pure fucking dogshit.

>>58360893
thank god someone else seas through the crap that everyone thinks is a great feature vostok ussr shit

>>58359800
Wrong thread buddy

>>58360893
It's a trusty beater mate, no one is claiming its luxury

>>58360938
but for the same price you could get a seiko

>>58360767
I got it new from Amazon
One thing I should note is that is does work when I shake it around but only for like 15 seconds

>>58357054

My first real watch was a timex expedition with a stainless bracelet.

I think I still have it and I really should see if I can replace the movement

>>58361057
get it returned to amazon they have 30 day returns

>>58360893
>Many of the "design features" Vostok fans laud, are actually Soviet workarounds for the poor quality of tooling they had available.
of course. i think that's really interesting and makes owning one of those watches worth it.
that's "soviet engineering", and those watches reflect a part of history.

>>58361068
The styling on that is great for its price and ofc so is the indiglo

>>58361078
Yo this shit has got me worried anyone bought an snk809 from amazon?
How reliable is it how's the packaging

>>58361078
I'll try that if I can't find a fix.
If it matters, the half circle thing in the back of the watch doesn't spin around anymore like it did when I first got it.

>>58360893
For instance the handwinding solution is literally better than ETAshit. A proper rocking axle for the crown wheel instead of that bullshit post that wears out eventually. Other features in the movement are also sane and well thought out. It has instant date change, albeit lacking a quickset.

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>>58360368
He invented coaxial escapement, and had to spend years to persuade Omega to try it.

Also his watches are aesthetically very pleasing, pic. related.

>>58361125
there is no way you are going to be able to fix it just return it and re buy one

if the pendulum isnt rotating its fucked

>>58360818
>wear resitance (which is largely a function of hardness) and resistance to deformation (which is largely a function of hardness).
Not him but please do tell: what is your background in tribology?

>>58361124
im sure its just a one off fault even if its not amazon are very good with return of faulty products

>>58361187
If only the space traveler wasn't $1m. It's a hell of a piece.

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Late

>>58361292
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>>58361292

>>58361310
I do.
Actually dont have all there to make a proper photo.

>>58359370
Lucky fuck
Do you live in nipland?

>>58361314
>antichoc
So its good at sucking?

>>58361199
I think the half circle thing I was talking about might have been the "rotor" according to some diagrams.
Is it bad if it doesn't spin freely?

Can anyone pls post the retarded stienshit anon who destroyed his finger taking the bezel off?
thank

>>58361491
this guy is a fuck tard

>>58360579
anon, no disrespect intended, but that looks fairly bad.
i'd probably order two new dials and try again - trying until you get it right is part of the fun isn't it?

>>58361125
Did you sit on it? If the rotor isn't turning the watch can't charge and won't run.

>>58361536
I guess so. But the dial design itself is okay, right?

>>58361534
Yeah I know :-(

>>58361568
No but I did drop it one time

Did seiko discontinue their SRP307 black monster?

It seems like they're out of stock pretty much everywhere

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>>58359840

What did he mean by this

>>58361616
who even KNOWS what Seiko does

>>58361622
I tried not to think about it too much

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>>58359773
Nice choice.

>>58361659
I'm guessing this is a recurring trend with them then?

I'm new to watches so I'm not well informed

>>58360107
If it had a dial with explorer style numerals like the Black Bay Bronze it would be better imho.

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Opinions on the bracelet?

>>58361216

What's yours?

Arguments from authority have no place here.

Everything I've said is very easily verifiable by reference to well known materials properties that it does not take a rocket surgeon to understand.

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Why does so much of horology circle around the moon?

>>58361609
Wonders why his automatic mechanical watch won't work

>I did drop it one time

>>58361835
wow, that looks so cool.
the watch is very groovy man and the bracelet also looks great.
do you own that?

>>58361849
cuz some faget keeps posting that shitty biece of shit

>>58361835
Looks neat, seems like it'd pinch hair like nobody's business though.

So what's wrong with MVMT?

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>>58362091
Overpriced fashion brand dogshit like skagen, fossil and many others.

>>58362091
Chinese overpriced shit

>>58359589
may wanna swap out the links for something lighter

>>58361752
yes always much speculation on what may be discontinued (search seiko monster discontinued). they could be discontinuing that model for a prospex version.

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My mother gifted me this watch for Reyes magos (Mages Kings) -it's a spanish tradition kinda like Santa Claus-. And I love it.

As a diver enthusiast this is a fantastic gift for me. Do you recommend me to use it to dive? Or diving without a dive computer is a meme?

Anyway, this my first """serious""" watch. What's /wt/ opinion on it? Thoughts?

>>58362549
That it's 2big4u.

>>58362549
Seiko is great but like. >>58362705 said to big for you

>>58359589

There's a black version on nylon. I have it, pretty nice. SGEG91.

>>58362549
Joaquin, why do you have a rope around your arm?

>>58362549
It should serve you for many years to come. Wear it in good health :)

>>58362892

To hang myself, mi amigo.

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Well lads what do you think in regards to the alignment of this Turtle's chapter ring?

Seems okay to me, and even if the bezel isn't perfectly aligned it's an easy fix.

>>58363298
Looks good

After all the moonwatch nonsense the past few days I stopped by the Omega boutique on my way home... anyone who's seen both the modern speedmaster and the modern bulova in person and thinks the finishing on the bulova is anywhere close needs to get their eyes checked.

>>58363462
Probably just trying to justify their decision ex post facto.

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>>58361849
Pls respond

>>58363298
Looks a lil misaligned

>>58363582

Even you thought the speedmaster was piss poor quality.

>>58363582
Nah fuckoff you easily impressionable fool, the speedmaster is worse than the Bulova in dial print, lume, tolerances and qc. And this is coming from an owner of both. Both are just as much china made anyway...

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>>58363406
>>58363610
It's good enough to quench my slight autism.

I'm still going to get a black Turtle at some point at time, but i ought to set my sights on a NY0040 first.

Also another incoming, a qt Vostok.

>>58363616
I don't know about piss poor, but certainly the exterior finishing couldn't hold a candle to something like a GS. But somehow the price gap is so much smaller than the finish difference.

That being said, the GS does spoil you.

>>58363706
Can you set it on a level surface and then level your camera and take a pic? I think it might be darn near on, but slight picture angles can make a difference in a picture.

>>58363739
It's pictures from the seller, in his second picture it still looks well aligned.

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>>58363796
Yeah, it's pretty close if not right on. Maybe slightly clockwise? I don't think you'd be able to see it very easily unless really getting in close and examining.

>>58362549

looks good mis amigo

>>58363298

looks about the same as mine, only mine slants a bit to the right

>>58363298

Why do people have so much autism?

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>>58364181

>>58364181
>Complaining about autism
>In a watch thread
>On a Singaporean shadow-puppet symposium

Do you know where you are, newfriend?

>>58361458
No, I'm just a tryhard.

>>58364248
Who is this, Elon Musk

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watch I want, but unfortunately not around for purchase

>>58364356
FP Journe m8.

>>58364356
Yeah, that's Elon.

>>58364361
Why is the bezel that way? Does the chrono seconds hand move counterclockwise?

>>58364671
It's not for chronograph seconds. it's a 60 minute count down bezel.

I ordered a watch from ebay and it shipped from Poland. It was supposed to be delivered BY the 4th and still says its been in transit for 19 days. Is Poland notorious for having shit postal?

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>>58356874
I was tempted to order one of those from seiya but it looks like the hands are painted instead of flamed?

>>58360107
there's nothing inherently wrong with a 2824 other than it's not an "exclusive, inhouse" movement

>>58364361
>>58364671
>Why is the bezel that way?

Countdown bezel. Also, I'm wearing my 856 today.

>>58365327
Probably stuck in customs, I've had watches with no tracking info for two weeks until they leave that shit.

>>58365351

Well...Other than the handwinding issues and it being technically inferior to the ETA 2892-A2, Sellita SW300 and Soporod A10 in every way.

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>mfw I only buy swiss high-end patrician watches

>>58365425
Prove it faggot

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Shit posting time.

>>58365600
>15202st

Good.

I need a good, durable wristwatch. I want one that'll last me the rest of my life, that'll take some serious beatings, that I'll never have to replace. Military grade stuff.

It needs to have a clock face, not digital. If it can be wound by hand, that would be lovely, but I'll take what I can get. My budget is 150 bucks.

Any suggestions, friends?

>>58365738
Timex indiglo.

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>>58365738
>serious beatings
seriously consider getting a digital gshock.

That's what it's made for.

>>58359370
How long would it take to learn that layout? Usually I just use regular QWERTY for kana, works fine enough

>>58365351
Nice. I think I'll probably end up with a 103 myself, even though I can't get the handsome white dial.

>>58365600
Why are these so fucking expensive?

>>58366084
You tell me m8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh1Xww576Yc

>>58366084
the history of that movement is interesting. You should look into it.

But basically that entire watch is very well made. More time and effort goes into making that watch than most things you'll ever buy.

>>58366084
Great, timeless design. Even the stupid hex nut crown is a cool. And... the movement.

>>58366109
AP employs people with extra chromosomes to craft their bracelets?

>>58365738
>>58365796
I will not settle for a digital face.

Also, it'd be good if it could also stand up to really really harsh cold, and water.

>>58363588
That's wayyy too fucking big for you

>>58365738
>>58366439
https://www.amazon.com/Luminox-0215-SL-Sentry-Black-Markings/dp/B005SUW41U
if you can get a luminox at that price, its probably your best bet

https://www.amazon.com/Luminox-Mens-3051-Colormark-Watch/dp/B000WY8ZHO
if you can up your budget for a navy seal model from them, even better

>>58366439
The only non-digital that comes to mind is the MDV106, unless you were at a significantly higher price point.

>>58366967
https://www.amazon.com/Luminox-Mens-3001-Quartz-Watch/dp/B000F1OGWW
shit these fuckas are cheaper than what I remembered

I need to grab one for myself one day

Rich fag looking to get a watch. How much true quality comes with a Nomos? I understand the award winning style etc but how are their internals

>>58367347
Their internals are the best part baby

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do you enjoy?

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>>58367692

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opinions on this ? hsa it good value or just is it just rboutique trash with no resale value ?

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>tfw no 5107 gf

>>58361576
it looks fine to me, but it's not mine.
do you like it?

>>58367692
It's a new low

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>>58365738

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>>58367702
>Proudly displays 'China case & movement'

>>58367987
Are these a meme or does Vostok actually make a decent watch for the price?

>>58368005
>>58367888
i enjoy it : )

>>58368009
They are ridiculously robust watches for the price, especially the Komandirskie as it doesn't have the rotor etc to break.

They're regularly worn by Ruski tank crews and have even been worn by cosmonauts.

>>58368009

they're a meme in the same right that the sks is....

for basement dwellers who want to pretend they are in stalker or something

>>58367780
What is your budget?

>>58368027
Do you enjoy it ironically?

>>58365998
I don't even use the kana layout, and on PC keyboards most Japanese people don't either. Kana input would theoretically be faster than romaji input by cutting your stroke count in half, but fuck learning the layout for the little amount I'd use it. I don't know what the nip excuse for not learning it is but probably because romaji is easier if you're typing a mix of English/Latin and Japanese at the same time, like most PC usage is. The additional IME keys are very nice to have regardless though.

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This is the start of my watch collection , how did I do /g/

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>>58368027

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>>58368597 #
>>58368152 #
>>58368005 #
>>58367888 #
what about these you silly boys

>>58361187
Holy shit what's the price in this

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>>58368764

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Thoughts on the Hublot Classic fusion? I've tried to like submariners, but it just seems that every swinging dick has one

>>58368817
More than you can afford.

>>58368826
Looks like a worse royal oak.

>>58368817
read the thread
>>58368826
AP knockoff

>>58368826
You really want to pay that much for a Sellita movement?

>>58368558

answer me you fucking niggers

>>58368854
You didn't spend that much on the g-shock, right?

Otherwise, it's a good start.

>>58368854
>terrorist wannabe
>literally who seiko model for $240
>russian memeshit
Could've done worse 6.5/10

>>58368851
I'm not sure. Do I?

>>58368882
I wouldn't. I would, usually, expect that if I'm paying a watchmaker thousands of dollars for a watch they would have done something at least marginally remarkable with the watch. Not just buying a movement from someone else and then not making meaningful or interesting changes to it before they drop it in their case and sell it for big bucks.

That being said, if you do go for it, don't get the Andre the giant sized 45mm. Go for the 38. 45mm screams wannabe rapper (but the entire hublot brand is kind of tainted with that.)

>>58368764
Are you a grill?

>>58368826
The non-aligned screws trigger me.

>>58368826

You see, when the hands are black and the face is black you have to hold your watch up and close to your eyes , which forces people to notice and ask what is he doing? you become a mystery, an intrigue a 007

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>>58369035
I think it's just the angle, the hands are polished.

>>58368944
no i just buy cheap watches from thrift stores and sell them
these are the ones i have currently

>>58369062
You have very poor taste.

>>58367858
Yeah, imo this was the best compromise between looks and lume area.

>>58365738
G shock

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Today I'm going to one of the biggest flea markets in the country

What should I keep my eyes peeled for?

Hidden gems?

>>58369856
jlc deep see alarm for $10

>>58369856
Depends what country.

>>58369856
patek philippe 5970
vacheron constantin 30020

>>58370084
Holland

>>58370104
>>58369930
Yeah easy no problem

Is a case opener and a toothpick enough to regulate 7s26?

>>58370168
No

>>58360818
Not him but:
>Wear resistance is also dependant on the two materials in contact, not just one.

That's the truth. Plastic against plastic is more durable than ruby against diamond. When considering materials, you never ever consider a single one, you consider two, because it makes no sense to look at one dimensional data. And even then their hardness doesn't count alone, unless you consider how they deform, or how they self-heal, like some plastics do.

You really don't know much about materials, and that may be the plague of the mechanical watch industry, and most importantly, its afficionados.

>>58370207
What else do I need? Isn't it just moving the hairspring regulator to minus?

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Omega Speedmaster Day Date Automatic -98 for 1200 eurobucks. Not serviced.

Worth it?

>>58357054
>>58357375
Also this one, but in black

>>58370241
Depends.
Service will run around €200-€500, depends really. But a great deal either way. So long as it's in good condition anyway.

>>58370108
Then any vintage Swiss watch that doesn't look like pin-pallet dogshit. Look out for things like fake threaded casebacks, or divers with only 5atm WR, those are signs of bottom of the barrel swiss-shit.

I don't know how many vintage Japanese memenicals you can find in W-Europe, but look out for a nice Seiko or Citizen.

So what exactly hold the other end of the mainspring? Also feel free to ignore this retarded question, I should probably get some book on watches anyway, it's weird to see how much watch enthusiasm is just *it's so shinyyy* rather than what's inside

>>58370313
I'm not sure I understand the question.
Have you watched the video in the OP?

>>58370108
Where is the flea market? Might go on a hunt myself

>>58370331
That video barely scratches the surface, but I guess my phrasing is retarded. Inside the mainspring barrel the inner end is held by the arbor, which is turned by the ratchet wheel as far as I understand. So is this outer end completely unfastened?

>>58370291
Cheers m8, appreciate advice

>>58370369
't IJ, Amsterdam. Not sure if it'll be any good but the mrs wants a coat so thought I'd tag along

>>58370372
The inner end of the mainspring is held by the arbor, correct, this is what allows it to be wound.

The other end of the mainspring is held by friction against the barrel wall. Until atleast the spring begins to near full charge, at this point the spring will begin to slip, preventing overwinding of the watch (In automatics atleast. A light oil lubricant is used to help this. In handwinds it relies on the wearer to feel when the watch is fully wound and thus not overwind it)

>>58370438
So the "clutch" mechanism that allows slippage in automatics is simply using a lighter friction achieved by oil?

>>58370460
Basically. At a certain point the torque is so that it overpowers the friction of the mainspring being forced against the barrel wall.

While the dude's voice may not be the best to listen to for a long time, there are some really comprehensive and easy to understand videos by him: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7vSOnpUocYq0z8oiYFk0zQ

>>58370478
I actually just finished watching his 7s26 videos, much more interesting than someone jerking off over "pure class"

I'm looking to get a usable dive watch (for actual diving, not fashion) anyone heard much about the mako II?

https://www.amazon.com/Orient-Japanese-Automatic-Stainless-Diving/dp/B01AK5TQRM/

>>58370573
Solid movement, and while it may only be a manufacturer rating, it'll still manage some depth before you need be concerned.

However it may not be the most readable dial while submerged, unless you're diving in clear waters anyway.

>>58370573
The Mako ll, while being an excellent watch, isn't fit for anything beyond skin diving/snorkeling. (20BAR)

The Seiko SKX or new Turtle series are ISO rated divers for up to 200 meters, same goes for the Citizen NY0040 and NY2300 series.

>>58370573
why a mechanical watch and not a dive computer?
anyway, Orient's divers are pretty good, but the Mako and Ray aren't actually ISO certified diver's watches.
a Seiko SKX007 would be your best bet for a mechanical entry level diver, and it's very well made. although the movement isn't the best.

>>58370625
Are the rumors about 7s26 "C" having shittier balance wheels true?

>>58370653
I've read that the 7s26B fails more easily in a big shock (I don't remember why), but I don't recall anything worse on the C.

>>58370625

got the computer as well obviously, just want a watch i can wear while i'm diving as well, mainly for when i'm on the surface or just around rocks etc.

>>58370573
>>58370721
>for actual diving, not fashion
>Orient Mako II

Yeah okay.

No one seriously takes a diving watch on a dive. Because:
>you can learn it's not that waterproof the hard way
>you can seriously scratch it on sharp rocks
>you can lose it
>you can get stuck because of the strap so you want the least shit attached to you that isn't absolutely necessary

Some DO take a watch, but that's mostly instructors who don't bother taking their watch of, and because it's generally a Casio G-Shock, or it's one that works as a dive computer, like a Suunto D4i or an Elementum Aqua.

I have a SKX myself, I'd never take it on a dive.

>>58370858
so your saying pretty much the only option if
I want a watch while diving is a disposable beater? there's no decent watches out there than can handle <100ft diving without getting destroyed?

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Reddit is ruining people by being a yes manabout shitters

>>58371023
SKX can handle it, Mako probably can, would you rely want to rely on them though?

>>58371073
It happens here as well, quite badly really.

>>58371073
i love the comment
"My parents thought I was crazy for spending the money on it"
its not even a $200 watch

>>58371121
Steinharts are still better than Fossil, Co.Ward is comparable

>>58370215
>Tries to claim plastic on plastic causing less wear than ruby on diamond
>Doesn't look up or know their coefficients of friction.

No. That idiotic Duragarbage PAI has a DYNAMIC coefficient of friction of 0.35 while diamond and synthetic ruby ha be STATIC coefficients of friction of 0.1 on diamond and 0.15 on steel.

So synthetic ruby has a much lower coefficient of friction, astronomically higher wear resistance and astronomically higher resistance to plastic deformation (which would be extremely undesirable in precision parts).

Not to mention that you very well know that the rubies in a pallet fork contact metal and not diamond. Thankfully steel ALSO has a much lower coefficient of friction against ruby, much higher wear resistance and much more resistance to deformation than plastic.

>That's the truth. Plastic against plastic is more durable than ruby against diamond.

The truth is, only someone who has no idea what they are talking about, or who is deliberately trying to mislead others, would make a claim like "more durable" without specifying with respect to what type of mechanical force.

>You really don't know much about materials

I know enough to reveal you as a complete charlatan.

>The place of the mechanical watch industry, and most importantly, it's afficionados

Oops, you just revealed that you are samefagging. Go away you know nothing huckster.

>>58371121
No, here people who post shitters get told their watch sucks.
There, they're encouraged and told to wear it in good health.
I still go there from time to time because there are some nice watches posted. Some guy posted a nice album of a Lange 1815 the other day. I just don't read the comments.

>>58371129
If he's young and not from a rich family...
When I got my 120€ Ray, everyone in my family thought it was a big amount of money to spend on a watch. (Nobody thought I was crazy mind you)

>>58371023
All of diving equipment is meant to be replaced at some point seeing how it's used in very harsh conditions. Just hitting your watch on the weights on your belt or the pressure gauge is enough to scratch it.

The average dive computer is scratched to hell, that gives you an indication of how your watch will end up. Oh it WILL likely survive if you don't lose it and if it's waterproof enough, and most decent watches will be fine, but then you won't want to be wearing it whenever you're not diving because it'll look like shit.

>>58371492
If you buy something that's not a shitter and it's your daily wearer it doesn't matter if it gets beat up (which it will no matter what), as it will retain a certain cool factor particularly when it can be considered vintage. And if it's really bad it's not like it's impossible to get a polish + crystal replacement. Only faggots obsess over dings and scratches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li0mRLcGbU8

>>58368558
5600 is cool, but I'm not sure why do you need radio, they're pretty accurate by themselves.
Seiko is okay if you have large wrists. I'd wear something like that day to day, only smaller
I wouldn't buy russian trash.

>>58371586
Nice video, gramps looked like he was having a heart attack

>>58371586
>Only faggots obsess over dings and scratches.
Only retards pay extra for a scratched watch.

>>58371586
>And if it's really bad it's not like it's impossible to get a polish + crystal replacement
Which does not matter with a dive watch, once submerged in water, all scratches disappear. But then you can't read it at sea level.

Patek Philippeor Hublot?

>>58371968
Audemars Piguet

>>58371968
>have class and a love for horology

patek

>swagfag with too much money

hublot

>>58371982
>Audemars Piguet
Millenary (132k) Roya Oak (116k) or Jules Audemars ChronAP (190k)?

>>58371990
Yeah, I have noticed that most of the people on Instagram and other siteswear an hublot with a bunch of eye catching shit.

>>58372016
Depends on what you're looking for really. They're quite different watches. I really like the Royal Oak myself.

>>58372043
I remember people saying rolex was a meme. It is true? What shouldI expect? Overpriced garbage?

>>58372060
rolex is not a meme. a pre owned rolex will hold its value really well.

you get in house everything. real good.

>>58372060
They're one of the good memes. Expect excellent quality.
Not much in the way of fancy finishing or complications. But what you do get is really, really well made.

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>>58372060
>I remember people saying rolex was a meme. It is true? What shouldI expect? Overpriced garbage?

How much money do you have that you're casually tossing around buying Patek and Rolex watches?

And no Rolex is not a "meme". The only reason for hating them is because they're popular.
>Exceptional build quality
>Relatively cheap and accessible services for their price range as they sell parts to independent watchmakers
>All in-house movements currently (Daytonas used to use Valjoux and Zenith movements)
>COSC certification on all but the lowest end models
>Gold standard in collectibility and resale value
>Iconic, timeless designs
>Still privately owned
>Watch will last a lifetime
>Tudor available for poorfags
>Actually Swiss made
>Put actual effort into R&D so new models have cool features
>Because they stick with a core line that has only modest changes over the decades, it's relatively easy to learn the various references and histories of any particular watch
>A lot of their watches aren't unobtanium so even normal people can save up and get one
>Tudor is also high quality but at a much cheaper price point

>>58372095
>>58372184
I have somemoney to use.
Is the Diamond Oyster any good or should I stick to something more classic?

>>58372199
>Is the Diamond Oyster any good or should I stick to something more classic?

If you're after a dress watch then I would go with a Patek Calatrava (or look at Rolex's Cellini line if you give zero shits about resale or collectibility).

That diamond shit is especially tacky.

>>58372199
Just get a non-horrendous day-date variant.

>>58372199
>Diamond
please don't

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who /saving for a watch/ here?

speedy bro reporting in. it will be my first big watch over 1k. currently only have a squale 20 atmos and skx, as well as some other sub $200 watches.

what are you saving for bros? will you be able to afford it in 2017?

>>58372060
Rolex works this like;

It's one of those brands that everyone knows about , even people who know nothing about watches. So everyone assumes they are like the ferrari or something of watches. They then suddenly start to think that they are overpriced and a shitty brand that just runs off their own brand power. Then you start to get into watches and come full circle and realize how simple/timeless and beautiful they are.

>>58372463
You will be disappointed if you have those, the finishing is just as good as your current watches, save for a Rolex Sub if you want real quality or a Daytona

>>58372485
And how well made and refined they are also, the quality is exceptional

>>58372463

I want a Rolex Explorer I or Explorer II. I actually have the money, my only problem is finding the specific ones I'm interested in from a reputable seller.

I actually found a really nice birth year Speedmaster MOTFM that tempted me but I think a Rolex would be better for me as I'm a bit of a poorfag who doesn't want to be killed with service costs.

>>58372523
I have bad news for you, Rolex isnt THAT cheap to service either....