Computer Scientist or Software Engineer?

>>58337412
Computer Scientist

Software Engineering degrees are a meme

>>58337446
>software engineering degrees are a meme
I research formal verification and build model checkers as a software engineer. Fuck you.

>>58337412
CS.

SE is just a limited version of CS.

These can vary depending on the university or the employer, but generally:

>Which actually teaches programming more?
Software engineering teaches real-world programming more. CS is more theoretical. But usually the CS student who learns SE afterward is the better programmer.
>Which is more liked by employers?
CS
>Which sounds better?
CS

>>58337412
I'd recommend computer engineering. You learn actual engineering and some CS.

>>58337456
I didn't say being a software engineer is a meme.

But Software Engineer degrees are a meme.

These are not the same thing.

>>58337534
>CS
>not theoretical
>goal: manager
>college home: science

??

>>58337543
Okay I get that point. I did a software engineering degree with a lot of formal verification so I wouldn't call that a meme degree, but thinking about it most SE or CS degrees probably didn't have as much about it as I had.

>>58337534
That is some straight up bullshit

>>58337482
>Software engineering teaches real-world programming more. CS is more theoretical. But usually the CS student who learns SE afterward is the better programmer.

So would that mean employability of SE is higher right out of uni?
And by learning SE afterwards, do you have on the job experience in mind or further studies?

>>58337543
>>58337456
CE is the overlap of EE and CS, not SE

>>58337412
CS if you want a code monkey or bank job that makes you want to kys

>>58337770
>CS is code monkey
>somehow SE is not the code monkeyiest of them all

>>58337744
Not really, for CS it is assumed that they can apply their theoretical knowlegde without having someone guide them.
SE is just applying CS knowledge into applications using standard guides while mostly ignoring the theory behind it.
Somewhat comparable to the difference in Physics and Engineering.

>>58337770
CS will actually get you hired though.

If you want an academic job CS if not it doesnt matter because you'll end up doing the same job.

>>58337412
Go IT, and thank me later.

>>58338086
no

could still work IT with either degree

Your degree DOES NOT MATTER!

Just do some fucking work. Just because you get a 4.0 on your diploma, doesn't mean shit if you don't start working.

>GET INVOLVED IN STARTUPS
>Do random DIY shit and share your stuff
>start investigating and researching solutions to existing tech problems
>do an internship

I mean it dude. Get an idea of what you want to do in computers, do stuff in it, work with other students and professors, and build your portfolio. Your degree won't fucking matter, it's what you do with it that will.

>>58338122
I know all that.

Still gotta pick one of the two, and I don't want to decide it on a coin flip.

>>58337744
>And by learning SE afterwards, do you have on the job experience in mind or further studies?
On the job experience, and some side projects on your own to show you can learn will always help with getting a job.

Tech giants like Google and Amazon will ONLY test you on CS fundamentals in your interviews. They hire CS people and train them to be SE as well.

>>58338122
>good advice on 4chan
what the fuck

>>58338248
It doesn't matter. Just go with what has better access to tech and resources at your university.