>$1099 What the fuck are these retards thinking?

>What the fuck are these retards thinking?
Do you mean the buyers?

Sauce?
Even if it's full GP102 that would be ridiculous for a consumer card.

>>58319895
In my country it costs twice as much. Stop complaining you cheap entitled Jewish Ameritard

>>58320398
fook off australia

>>58320398
>In my country it costs twice as much.
So fucking tired of hearing this. Hey, here's an idea. How about you third worlders start fucking fixing your shitty, corrupt countries first and then play video games after that's all sorted out? Deal? In the meantime Americans will be free to discuss fair market value for goods sold in America.

>>58320499
>third worlders
>coming from an americuck
like pottery

>>58320398
>>58320448
>be australian
>get paid twice as much in wages
>complain about having to pay twice as much for everything
gee, i wonder why things cost more there?

>>58320529
>le universal healthcare meem
>d-do I fit in yet

>Living in AUSFAILIA
>any year

>>58320541
because stupid people like you think a minimum wage is the same thing as a median wage and that's why you pay out the nose for stupid consumer products.

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>>58320499

>How about you third worlders start fucking fixing your shitty, corrupt countries first and then play video games after that's all sorted out? Deal? In the meantime Americans will be free to discuss fair market value for goods sold in America.

>>58319895
Just buy AMD like a bad goy :)

>>58319895
is it poorfag's butthurt?

>>58319895
Considering it's going to be one of the highest performing cards for the next 5 years, it's not that bad.

>>58320584
>America is third world
Fresh meme.

>>58319895
>Not $1080
Why doe

>>58320660
>nvidia
>longevity
lmfao

>>58320660
>one of the highest performing cards for the next 5 years
laul

fake and gay. ces didnt even start yet

>>58320663
Your internet speeds are certainly third-world tier.
>>58320671
>>58320679
780ti still kicks ass.

>>58319895

It's already confirmed faster than Vega by several sources:

http://www.latinoshealth.com/articles/22207/20170104/nvidia-amd-vega-gtx-1080ti.htm

>>58319895

>What the fuck are these retards thinking?

They're thinking that since they have a monopoly on high end GPUs, they can charge whatever they want.

They aren't wrong.

>>58320664
underrated post

>>58320499
Trump will put more taxes on imports so enjoy low prices while you can.

>>58319895
>GDDR5
>2017
le disapproving man with cancer

>>58320663
>25% niggers
>only like 50% actual white people
>more people in prison than any other nation
>ghettos everywhere
Sounds like South Africa during the apartheid.

>>58320708
i wouldn't doubt that it's faster than vega 10, which is the smaller chip.

now what about vega 11?

>>58320398
>In my country it costs twice as much

Here's an idea. No one cares. This isn't a discussion for poor people technology.

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Pascal-Codename-265448/News/Geforce-GTX-1080-Ti-Spezifikationen-GDDR5-1217296/

$799 according to this.

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>>58320708
>confirmed faster by several sources
>http://www.latinoshealth.com

sounds legit.

>>58320664
>be nvidea
>see opportunity
>don't take it

sounds about right...

>>58320708
behold, the power of Mexican intellectuals:

> Yet, since AMD Vega is only expected to match up to the performance of GTX 1070 which is at a lower price point, Nvidia should have no problem in bettering it. The higher-end version of AMD Vega, which is named as RX490, is not expected to perform as well as 1080

> RX 490 or AMD Vega 10 specifications have been leaked too. This HBM2 powered high-end graphics card will feature the flagship 14nm GPU and second-generation High Bandwidth Memory with up to 1 terabyte of memory bandwidth.

bravo, anon.

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>>58320708
>latinoshealth.com

>>58320448
>>58320541
I'm Croatian. I often wish I were Australian, but then I remember Abos live there.
Also, my entire pc costs as much as this card. (Gtx 960, i5-4460)

>>58320778
>25% niggers
Its actually 12% and dropping (due to massive amounts of abortion and 92% of US murders having black victism). Hispanics are the ones that are breeding like rabbits because of Catholicism and less violence in their culture.

>>58320801
PCGH cites reddit which cites a random post on a chinese forum.

>>58319895
its a legit price for the performance. none is forcing you to buy it, a 1060 will do just fine,

>>58320708
Literally all this article says is basically "we expect it to outperform Vega because reasons"

>>58319895

methinks that GP102 has seriously yielding issues that Nvidia is trying to download by setting the price up that high. Titan X isn't that much more and it is fully enabled GP102 unlike 1080TI which has one of its blocks disabled but operates at higher clockspeeds.

I would have think that Nvidia would have waited until Vega came out before launching the 1080Ti.

Nvidia is asking themselves to be setup for a repeat of GTX 280 and HD 4870 price upset.

>>58321052

theyre not going to fucking price it at $1099

its probably going to be $750

>>58321069
I kind of doubt it's only going to be $100 more expensive than a reference 1080, at least not while AMD is incapable of competing even with a 1070.

>>58321069

That's why I think the $1099 MSRP is bullshit and $799 seems to be more likely.

Nvidia isn't stupid enough to repeat the GTX 280 and HD 4870 price upset.

For you newfags, GTX 280 back in the day had a launch price of $699 and a few months later ATI launched HD 4870 which was almost as fast as GTX 280 for a launch MSRP of $399.

Early-adopter Nvidiots shed tons of tears on HD 4870 launch day.

>>58321069
I'm thinking $850

>>58321114
If the Vega performance numbers are accurate (I assume AMD's own DOOM show-off must be at least) it's close to GTX 1080 in performance, which would mean 1080 Ti/Titan XP would still pretty much be in their own little world. I very much doubt AMD would show a demo where their card performs 30% worse than it actually will, so don't expect too much.

4K HDR monitors when?

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>>58320664

>>58321176
That demo was using hacked together Fiji drivers. They weren't optimized for HBM2 or the new architecture.

Also, wasn't that demo locked at 60fps?

>>58321226
t. memester

>>58321264
No, it was not locked since it jumped into the 70s and 80s at times. Again, why would AMD show off their new graphics card performing like 30% worse than it actually will?

>>58319895

That people would buy it?

>>58321353
Because the drivers aren't ready yet. That was a pre-production card. Which is why they didn't give any exact performance numbers, just a minimum baseline to show that it's at least as good as a 1080. Setting minimum expectations is never a bad thing.

>>58321176
>it's close to GTX 1080 in performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkvj-uij42M

A 1080 does 48 fps average in Battlefront on 4k

>>58321459
>48 fps average

uhhh, I dunno about that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUWxu_C6QZM

Why do they call it the GTX 1080?

>>58321560
because once you buy it, you lose 1080 dollars and go away

>>58321560
because when it sets your house on fire you turn 1080 degrees and walk away

>>58321414
Their minimum expectations are unimpressive though. GTX 1080 performance 1 year later is not good. Literally the only thing they showed with DOOM was a demo saying "we are one year behind NVIDIA". Anyway I kind of doubt the drivers could've been such shit when running a low-level API, where drivers are very thin. Why would they shoot themselves in the foot with such a demo? They made a decision, which was to show off their card, it seems highly unlikely to me they would do such a thing when knowing very well their product is vastly underperforming because of bad software, as you say.

Look at how carefully controlled their Ryzen benchmark was too. They very clearly wanted to show it off in a positive light, why wouldn't they want to do the same with their graphics card?

>>58319895
>all these mad poorfags

>>58320529
fawk right off with this shit buddy, anywhere but canada/usa is third world, excluding detroit and newfoundland

>>58320693
>perf like a 970
>kicks ass
good one, i chuckled

>>58321114
oh no, nvidia is THAT confident right now

>>58319895
At that price, I may as well buy a Titan XP.

>>58321634

that's midrange perf for a 4 year old card. other flagships like the gtx480 and hd6970 fell off a lot faster than that.

>>58321634
>perf like a 970
it loses to 960 in most games

>>58321086
>incapeable of competeing with 1070
boi the last gen air cooled fury is cheaper than the 1070 and matches it in some games, falls just a blonde pube behind it in most, and falls on its face comparitivley in like 1% of games, i'd call that competitive

>>58321651
>Titan XP
(You)Tube pls fuck off.

>>58321596
>Look at how carefully controlled their Ryzen benchmark was too. They very clearly wanted to show it off in a positive light, why wouldn't they want to do the same with their graphics card?
completely different departments handle press for cpu/gpu
one is almost always shitting itself over the actions of the other

>>58321657
but the 290x outperforms the 970 still

THAT's upper midrange performance for a 4 year old card today

>>58321634
>780ti
>perf like a 970
Kek

>>58321114
>almost as fast
literally the best card ever made since jesus went back to heaven carrying all of the tnt riva's with him (which made nvidia align witht he devil out of spite).

kys nvidiot.

>>58321595
It's funny because AMD cards run hotter.

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>>58321705
I'd love to see a source. At 1440p a Fury appears to provide 81% of a (stock, thermal-throttling) 1070. That means the 1070 is ~23% faster with both at stock, that's not very close, especially since Fury isn't that amazing at OC while the 1070 has quite a decent bit of headroom.

>>58321748
OK then, so I suppose your narrative is "Vega is vastly faster than what AMD's own demos show." I'll choose to believe what they've shown us rather than making up my own rationalization, until such a time when they show us otherwise.

>>58321657
7000 series is still holding up strong

>>58321788
While offering more raw power and longevity. That's GCN for you.

>>58321788
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAbl0fLY06U

>>58321459
that's my exact monitor, nice

and shit, It's definitely outperforming a 1080

I have a 980ti right now. I'll wait for the Vega refresh and pick something up then. That's really fucking cool

>>58320499
>Murrica
>Not third world

Nice meme

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>>58320693
>780ti still kicks ass

LOL NO

I sold my 780ti and went back to my 7970 while i wait for Vega because the 780ti wasn't much of a upgrade over the 7970 anymore after Nvidia cucked it.

>>58321657
>other flagships like the gtx480 and hd6970 fell off a lot faster than that.

You can blame Nvidia for that one to (gameworks forcing retarded amounts of pointless tessellation)

>>58321824
Nice fake video

>>58321824
>if sapphire fucks up it is not amds fault
just as it is not nvidias fault for evga being shit

>>58321596
I'm not commenting on how good Vega will be, I'm telling you that the drivers weren't ready yet and still may not be ready.

>low-level API
The driver still needs to exist. A modified Fiji driver is a far cry from one optimized for the particular architecture. Look at how the RX 480 drivers matured since release, and that's compared against release drivers.

>vastly underperforming
Performing at least on par with a 1080 isn't underperforming at all.

>why wouldn't they want to do the same with their graphics card
The just did that. They showed it playing a maxed out 4k game at a constant 60 fps. What more do you want it to do? Should we have expected >150fps for 4k at 144hz?

>>58321939
>Performing at least on par with a 1080 isn't underperforming at all.

vega is a 450mm2 die with 16gb of hbm2, if it only matches a fully unlocked gp104 then it's an astoundingly horrible failure.

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>>58321853
That's bullshit.
I went from 7970 to a 780ti
The 780ti was almost twice as fast.

And the gimping bullshit never happened.
Preformance over 2 years was exactly the same.

Hera a pic before I sold it.

>>58321967
We don't know whether that was a small or big Vega and how much memery it actually had. It's pure speculation.

>>58321967
all it has to do is match 1080 on release for $499 or less to be a success, and improve over time with driver updates

>>58321988
>$499

a big die with hbm2 won't be sold for $500.

>>58321982
>I went from 7970 to a 780ti
>The 780ti was almost twice as fast.
back in 2013?

the 7970 improved vastly over time since then, while the 780ti stopped getting optimization for new games

>>58322008
if AMD has a 1080 competitor and they sell it for as much as a 1080 then they're retarded

>>58322024
>if AMD has a 1080 competitor and they sell it for as much as a 1080 then they're retarded

last time AMD tried to undercut NVIDIA they got completely shit on by maxwell pricing. they won't make the mistake of trying to get into a price war again, it's very likely that vega will be $650 and $550 for the fury x and non-x were.

>>58319895
dumb kids buy gaymur crap every day how is this different

there hasnt been a good game in so long and there was never a good game with bleeding edge graphics.

>>58322049
>there was never a good game with bleeding edge graphics
Almost every bleeding edge jump in graphical technology I can think of were also incredible games

>Doom
>Quake
>Half-Life
>Half-life 2
>Crysis
>Witcher 2
>Witcher 3

>>58322024
The 7970 is still far slower.
Not to mention they Disabled ASYNC for it.

Idk why AMD fags like about this shit.
I would have believed you if you said a 390, not not a slow ass 7970.

I think the big vega card will be on par will be slightly above the 1080.

This means that the minute it comes out Nvidia will smash it with the release of the 1080ti.

>>58322081
And every Total War ever. They even managed to make Warhammer use more than 4 threads.

>>58322098
but the 390 is what competes against the 970
the 7970 beats the 780ti in nearly every 2015-6 release

>>58321939
>Performing at least on par with a 1080 isn't underperforming at all.
I'm not the one saying it's underperforming. You said that. You said the drivers aren't ready and as such the card isn't performing as it should. Which is it now, is it performing as expected or not? In any case, performing in GTX 1080 ballpark is quite unimpressive for a HBM2 graphics card coming out a year later.
>Look at how the RX 480 drivers matured since release
The difference is like 5% in DX12 and Vulkan, nice I guess but hardly that big of a deal.
>The just did that. They showed it playing a maxed out 4k game at a constant 60 fps.
They shoved it performing within 10% of a GTX 1080 in DOOM Vulkan which runs extremely well on AMD, much better than other titles for sure. See the first point above.

>>58322110
Eh, it still uses 100% of a single thread and CPU bottlenecks once you get into large battles with maximum army sizes.

>>58322163
>Eh, it still uses 100% of a single thread and CPU bottlenecks once you get into large battles with maximum army sizes.
Well, they did as much as possible to multithread that piece of shit called Warscape.

>>58319895
>What the fuck are these retards thinking?
"AMD is only attempting to compete in the low end so we're free to charge whatever we want."

>>58322193
If Vega is good (and maybe it IS good) it'll be 4850 all over again.

>>58322202
True, but until then Nvidia has been wringing out huge amounts of cash for what should be $500 GPUs.

>>58322232
That's monopoly for you. And good marketing, i'll give them that.

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>>58322174
I guess, it does perform pretty well in most circumstances, but it also CPU chokes hard as fuck. Pic related, even in 4K I still run into CPU bottlenecks first.

>>58322202
athlon64/hd4850 will happen this year.
intel and nvidia charged twice for same product

The chosen one rise again!

Pretty sure ryzen,vega will launch same month.

I see no price revolution next year.
We will get 15-20% performance boost for same price in polaris refresh with muh lower vcore n shiet, vega will be 1070 price, 1080ti will be 800 bucks or more.
4K is too far away for poorfags.

>>58322253
>Mannlet
Into the trash it goes.

>>58322103
Polaris 10 has only 2304 cores and is already catching up if not beating the 1060. This while being the shitty desktop counterpart. A 4098 core monster should obliterate the entire Nvidia lineup right now, but that's only on paper. Same shit with the Fury X, it should have beat everything, but it didn't, AMD fucked up somewhere.

>>58322282
>Same shit with the Fury X, it should have beat everything, but it didn't, AMD fucked up somewhere.
this is still mind boggling how bad the Fury X is

>>58322163
Realize that whatever you saw some engineering sample do will be at least >10% faster at launch and another 10-15% a year later after AMD makes their drivers non-shitty.

Given how long their drivers take to mature, anybody who buys an AMD card at launch with the intent to upgrade in less than a year or two is a retard, but at the same time, anybody judging cards by early benchmarks doesn't quite get it either.

>>58321052
Titan X isn't the full GP102.

>>58322255
I dont think so.
AMD is in deep financial sht and they will charge reasonable amount of money for their products.
They need them margins.

>>58322282
>Same shit with the Fury X, it should have beat everything, but it didn't, AMD fucked up somewhere.
Which is why I'm not expecting it to beat the Titan XP

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>>58322333
I think the biggest Vega chip will beat the Pascal Titan X, but it won't be cheap at all.

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>>58322282
>>58322304
Fiji over-focused on compute, skimped on everything else, and somehow fucked up the memory and cache subsystem.

The leaks for Vega about "high perf cache controller" literally just likely means that AMD fixed GCN's poor memory throughput issues.

They got fucked by TSMC 20nm sucking balls, but there is still a lot of rusty design issues in GCN even up to and including Polaris.

>>58321795
Well first off, 1440P+ gaming is pleb shit for people who cant into competitive games.
However, the 4GB vram size is likely limiting the AMD card as vram matters significantly at 1080P+

>>58322380
And what makes you think that?

>>58322398
>1440P+ gaming is pleb shit for people who cant into competitive games
t. plays Dota at 1080p and still finds a way to be condescending

>>58320499
>How about you third worlders start fucking fixing your shitty, corrupt countries
>American
Look around you, dipshit

>>58322324
they will make margins either way, just look at chip die math, also they would make more money from rising stock if market share increases enough

what is better to sell 10 carrots for $2 or 5 carrots for $4 in modern market?

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>>58322324
profit = volume * margin

finding the sweet spot on the curve is not exactly trivial when you can't predict your competition.

>>58320778
America has a higher prison population than South Africa did during Apartheid so it's actually worse.

>>58322268
Can't beat a good 150 kill Wind of Death or Purple Sun of Xereus, especially when elite Chaos infantry can't shoot up, panic and then bunch up below my dragon.

>>58322310
What it's like a year later is largely irrelevant to the present time, in a year we'll probably have Volta and Navi, or at least we'll be getting very close to them.
>anybody judging cards by early benchmarks doesn't quite get it either.
Oh yes, but practical, real-world performance doesn't always go up compared to a company's own demo, you seem to be ignoring that fact.

>>58321982
nvidiot logic:
the 780ti gimping never happened because I got the 980ti on 2 a thousand dollars pre-order super sale and thus I never noticed it.

>>58322456
>Can't beat a good 150 kill Wind of Death or Purple Sun of Xereus, especially when elite Chaos infantry can't shoot up, panic and then bunch up below my dragon.
I mean why the fuck would you play as Mannlet when Vlad the papa Carlstein is available?

>>58322163
>I'm not the one saying it's underperforming. You said that.
No, I said the drivers aren't ready. That's not the same as underperforming; you said that here
>>58321596
>knowing very well their product is vastly underperforming
If the product was released and not working correctly, that would be underperforming. The RX 480 underperformed. Vega cannot be said to be underperforming if the drivers aren't ready yet, do you understand? What you're saying is like taking a cake out of the oven halfway through the cook time, taking a bite, and saying "this cake sucks, you suck at baking, fuck you" while everyone else is commenting on what it smells like.

>10% of a GTX 1080 in DOOM Vulkan
The leak showed that, yes, but we also have the Horizon demo where the card performed identically to a 1080 playing SW: Battlefront. We now have even more SW gameplay to back that up.

>Vulkan which runs extremely well on AMD
If you think Vulkan is going anywhere, I have bad news for you. Vulkan is the de facto open standard now, and with all the shenanigans Microsoft is pulling, Valve and other digital game companies are going to throw their full weight behind Vulkan (Valve already has in the way of a Source port). Vulkan isn't the AMD API; it's very likely to displace DirectX and will certainly gain more traction than OpenGL ever had. It's pointless to set AMD's performance in Vulkan aside as if it doesn't matter. And here's the kicker: even if I'm 100% wrong, it doesn't matter anyway since we already know Vega performs well in DirectX 12 as well from the SW demo.

>>58320737
Nvidia is in America, nothing is being imported

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>>58322324

>deep financial shit

how is that? please feel free to contribute with actual proof and not some hardocp forum rumors.

actually next deadline for payment is 2019.

stop writing shit you don't know anything about.
stick to the zeros and ones, peasant coding monkey, remember there's an indian kid who can do a better job than yours.

>>58322523
yeah, you see the thing is , Trump want all production to be inside USA meaning isolationist policy meaning everything not made in USA gets taxed

>>58322523
You mispelled China.

>>58322523
Not sure if you're a flaming retard or a real tributarist lawyer who is privy to the legistation and knowledgeable of the possible loopholes or legitimate exemptions that may apply for US based companies outsourcing production to foreign countries...

>>58322488
Because Vlad can't get 644 kills by assraping elite Chaos infantry with awesome magic. His vanguard deployment gimmick is fun, but that's kind of it.

>>58322519
>you said that here
How about you read the entire phrase before deciding to type paragraphs fighting some strawman?
>it seems highly unlikely to me they would do such a thing when knowing very well their product is vastly underperforming
>highly unlikely
Do you understand what that means? It means I think it's unlikely the card is underperforming, which means I believe it is performing in line with its capabilities, or AMD would not have demoed it.

>>58322571
I keep saying it because it bears repeating. If Zen is as good as it looks so far AMD is going to become a whirlwind. Just 10% of the enterprise market and AMD has the cash to pay the long term debt without breaking a sweat, and can then still dump $1B into R&D. If Intel and nVidia aren't worried they aren't paying attention.

>>58322638
>imagine being so lame you actually write graphics card fan fiction

loooooool

>>58322661
My 600% increase in stock value sure is the best kind of fan fiction.

>>58322638
>tfw Intel still hasn't paid the settlement fines for the early 2000's market dump case.

can't remember exactly the value, but quite sure it was far more than 1b

http://videocardz.com/65369/asus-announces-swift-pg27uq-4k-ips-144hz-g-sync-monitor

THANK YOU BASED NVIDIA & ASUS

>>58320398
>He thinks his third world country counts for anything!

>>58322687
6.00*0 +0 = 0

?

>>58320693
780 owner here. I only bought this because I got a good deal used, I will be selling it immediately. Nvidia really has cucked this generation, even a shitty 960 is faster.

>>58322724
He said 600% not 6% you fucking retard

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>>58320499
>Canada
>Third world
mfw

>>58322745
looks like you're bad at math LOL

>>58322470
Nice logic dude.

I sold my 780ti 4 months ago on eBay.
Some moron bought it for $270.

The 780ti was never gimped.
The 290x just took 2 years to optimise, as it was always more powerful on paper

>>58322707
freesync still outsells gsync 20 to 6

>>58322758
What are you talking about. 6.00 is 6 not 600, get your decimal places right faggot

>>58322707
That's exciting, but then I saw g-sync, the price, and the fact that not even the Titan X can push 1400p at that refresh rate. Now I'm sad again.

>>58322770
In what universe?

G-Sync outsells Shitsync 10-1

You can have 100 SHITSYNC monitors and no one buys them because they're all shitty TN panel junks

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>>58322439
>America has a higher prison population than South Africa did during Apartheid so it's actually worse.
Because the prisoners in America are actually on the loose

>>58322770
That's because it has a tiny $30 or so price increase.
Gsync works better at all levels, but costs far more.
Hardware>software

>>58322707
not 21:9
Asus dun goofed.

>>58322799
>That's because it has a tiny $30 or so price increase.
>$30
kek

>>58322805
21:9 is pleb tier

>>58322764
So, not only you're poor but also a jew who fucks up stupid (goy) kids on ebay.

you can give up the lies now anon, I doubt that goy reads this board. Your shekels are safe.

>>58322791
less than 10% buys 800-1000 tengeridos IPS screens

>>58322791
so that's what denial looks like.

Freesync is cheaper and open source.
There are people right now buying freesync monitors without even knowing that they're buying Freesync monitors

There are more manufaturers implementing it and across a varied range of products.
From entry lelvel to premium products, you wouldn't dare calling people purchasing 1700 dollars LG 38" 21:9 poor, would you?

and to top that, it performs better.
So g-sync is the real shitsync.

>>58319911
/thread

>>58319895
They think
>we have no competition, we can price it anything we want. $1099 is probably too cheap, but next year we can make it cost twice as much.

Same way how Intel released a "new" lineup of chips, which is literally the old lineup clocked 10% higher.

>>58322614
B-but Taiwan is the good China, not those third world commies who live in bamboo huts.

>>58321264
>That demo was using hacked together drivers.

That's what they said for Fiji too, and it still ended up as shit.

>>58322624
You're saying that if the demo was run on unoptimized drivers, then it was "vastly underperforming" and that AMD wouldn't have showed anything. Or you're saying that AMD would only show the final product during a demo. AMD stated quite bluntly that the drivers were not ready and that they were actually using Fiji drivers, so you're wrong in both cases. You have argued yourself in a circle. I provided no strawman. The situation is that, in actuality, you're apparently missing information or choosing to ignore it, despite having that information spoon-fed to you.

You kept asking questions and I kept answering them. AMD showed the card without proper drivers. They did that to show that they have a working product and the minimum performance we can expect. You kept saying "nah, they wouldn't though" and spouting nonsense low-level APIs, Vulkan, and whether it's going to blow the 1080 out of the water. AMD showed a working card, no more, no less. The only information that can be derived is the minimum performance and that we can expect more from the final product. These demos were decidedly different from the Polaris launch where Raja Koduri made ambiguous claims about the RX 480 that didn't really come true until months after the launch. I think that's a good thing.

>>58322959
>BUTTMAD AYYMDPOORFAGS DETECTED

>>58319895
>What the fuck are these retards thinking?
>"We can do whatever the fuck we want now that the buyers have given us a monopoly over the market"
Not sure who's the retard here, the buyers or nVidia?

>>58321824
>black man buys a counterfeit 1080 because it was cheaper
>it explodes
hmm

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>>58322707
>2017
>proprietary adaptive sync modules

The 980ti was 750 euros. This is because AMD can't compete so Nvidia does whatever they want.

>>58323015
fuck mang, the jewery in 2016 is at shoa levels.
hard drives price fixing with bs supply issues
(right after ssd's stabilized their prices hikes to fab issues)
ddr4 coming out of a year long supply issue, prices started normalizing just recently.
lol, 10xx launches starting at (FOUNDERS EDITION) 5 thousand leather jackets.
lol, intel broadwell-e starting at 200 thousand pringles cans.

From all of the core components, I think only the psu's remain unscathed.

>>58322707
I'm going to imagine it's $1999

>>58323111
The Fury line was kind of gimped, honestly, but given how gimped it was, it's impressive where it falls in Vulkan and DX12 performance now. The Fury X performs about on par with the 1070 in Vulkan and DX12. The Fury X is now nearly 18 months old. Seriously, think about that and think about where the 970, 980, and 980 Ti fall in the performance spectrum relative to the 1070 and 1080.

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>>58323245
And people justify and defend this tirelessly. Amazing. The aristocrats are on the rise.

>>58322795
>Because the prisoners in America are actually on the loose

They aren't by definition

>>58323245
actually, the jewery is at jubilee levels.
jewing out goyims is a case for celebration.

>>58323333
Just hold on your quads and see as AMD out Jews Intel the next decade.

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>>58323333
oh crap, sorry guise.
I didn't mean to do that.

2017, we're even more fucked.
i-I'll stop posting nao.

>tfw I'm the culprit behind this year's PSU price hike

>>58319895
Source?
Still planning on buying it though because 4k60fps

we should be buying stuff that performs twice as fast as the previous generation for half the price;
not paying twice as much for the exact same perfomance -- with the sole addition of a plethora of all brand new and unprecendented buzzwords... and leds.

>>58323515
>much for the exact same perfomance
Wrong

>>58320398
nobody cares you poor shitskin

It's called getting a real job, boys. If you're a burger flipper or some help desk monkey, focus on fixing your career situation before dropping cash on computer enthusiast luxury products.

>>58323115
Self righteous retards give me some severe giggles m8.

>>58322413
i don't play dota at all, its usually CS in 720p ... im just saying 1440P benchmarks are useful for a tiny percent of the population

>>58323526
t. recently hired media manager for the kaby lake product launch.

>>58323630
>CS in 720p

the fuck is wrong with you?

>>58323227
Nvidia does it anyway, remember 2xx and 4xx lines.

>>58319895
LOL POORFAG

http://videocardz.com/65353/watch-nvidia-ceo-keynote-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-announcement-here

Are you guise gonna watch nvidia's newest leather jacket?

>5 thousand cows died in the making of this presentation.
>Raja can't even...

>>58319895
Well I payed 1200 for the Titan X

>>58323777
Good goyim.

>>58323744
AMD couldn't compete properly, even then.

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>>58320660
Just because Moore's law is coming to an end doesn't mean newer cards won't become faster, it just means older cards will become slower

>>58323789
What? They did it very well.

>>58323789
This.

AMD is complete shit, Nvidia can do whatever they want.

>>58323721
you'll never reach supreme with your goddamn 1440P anon

>>58323803
Nope.

>>58323843
Yes?

>>58323862
No?

>>58323868
Yes.

>>58323808
While they do have superior cards at this moment, during the 2xx and 4xx era it was all due to marketing.

The nvidia 480 - Fermi - was inarguably a piece of shit and yet it was selling like hot cakes, pun intended. And it wasn't a piece against its competition, it was simply a defective product. It really baffles me how Nvidia always manages to make best selling products out of duds - referencing 970 3.5gb meme.

>>58323886
AMD never beat Nvidia performance wise at launch without shitting out a dual-gpu card. So no.

>>58323227
Isn't the 1080ti supposed to be cheaper to produce, since it's on a smaller node?

>>58323934
Yes, it did.

>>58323966
No, it's still a cutdown Titan of it's generation.
>>58323929
To their credit they have the best marketing divistion among everything that produces hardware. Isn't the new AMD marketing division lead from Nvidia?

I bought a GTX 1080 months ago, only installed it last week

Fuck I should have waited, would've definitely bought this... oh well I'm still happy

>>58323973
Fully btfoing Nvidia, no.

>>58323997
No, you should upgrade goy! You have the money after all.

>>58324009
Yes.

>>58323826
>playing video games like a child

>>58319895
>yields measured in wafers per die

>>58324009
Underaged fag who wasn't even alive when the HD4xxx, HD5xxx and HD6xxx launched.

>>58324121
I still use a 4870, so I know.

>>58324139
No, you don't.

>>58324139
I have a 4870 too. I bought it because it shit on everything Nvidia had at the time and cost the same.

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>>58324168
It was one of the price/performance kings. It didn't BTFO Nvidia in every single way, any Cat. driver version is dogshit for the 4k series and left to dry, crack into sand like a turd in the sun, fuck AMD for doing that.

>>58323675
Potassium

>>58324255
>one of the
literally the second coming of Jesus in the form of graphics cards, Tnt Riva being the original.

Vega is the Kali Yuga avatar, coming to put an end to Nvidia's reign of deceit.

>>58320660
>5 years
>700 series titan is already shit less than 4 years later

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>>58324349
You sound like another mindless fanboy. Fuck anyone taking sides in this.

>no source
>218 replies

Jesus C...

>>58324255
that feel when i still have my sapphire 4870 1gb.

it didnt have a waifu on it though :(

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>>58322098
>The 7970 is still far slower.
No it really isn't. It's far better than the 960 which the 780ti is LOSING TO in new games.

Its fucking pathetic.

>>58324080
lel

>>58324435
Mods doing gods work.

>possible glimpse at Volta
RTG's video batnz might have triggered Nvidia.

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>we have determined that the card "reached peak" performance
>thus legacy
>drivers literally broken forever
>that feel when

Hold me anon.

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>>58319895
But is it faster than the Titan XP?

>>58319895
what? the 980ti was 650 dollars

holy shit they're retarded

>Lastly, we expect some demonstration or showcase of Volta by NVIDIA at the event. Their next generation architecture will accelerate GPU [prices] to [even] greater heights.

>everyone buying the bait without a source

>>58323993
>No, it's still a cutdown Titan of it's generation.
So was the 980ti, idiot, I obviously meants cheaper to produce than the 980ti

>>58324801
What do u mean, I totally need an upgrade from my gtx1080ultra for that sweet 5 fps increase in 4k gaming that I only have for braging rights and see almost litle to no gain from. ;-]

>>58324845
i.e., we show the world that GP100 was the only real Pascal and GP102-GP106 are just shrunk Maxwell, and we'll call consumer Pascal "Volta" instead

>>58320958
umukni umukni umukni umukni umukni prestani igrati igrice prestani se zaliti prestani govoriti okolo odakle si s takvim stavom prestani postati i umukni umukni umukni umukni

>>58324883
It IS, the die size is smaller but it's nvidia we are talking about. Be a good goy and buy 1080ti.

>>58324939
I will buy it when volta is released and used ones are being sold at half price.

I did the same with the 980ti

>>58320754

>2017
>Still falling for the HBM meme

I too love zero overclocking and thermonuclear explosions when mandatory water coolers aren't attached.

Damn, they really want to fall behind AMD.

Jokes aside, Nvidia could price the 1080Ti at $1000 and it would still sell. Look at the fags at newegg buying 1080s for $750+.

>>58325109
Buncha good goys, spending their money where their heart lays.

>>58324935
>t.Autisticni FER-ovac koji ne zna formulirati rečenicu

>>58325109
780ti launches at 600usd
980ti launches at 650usd
1080 launches at 850usd
1080ti launches at 1000usd

it's like nvidia is asking you guise how much can we keep fucking you real good while you just lay there screaming keep the dick going deeper.

And then you come to forums and shout at "poor" people for even pointing out that you've got nvidia's dick so far your asses that you stopped thinking straight..

>>58325286
KYS

1080 is $599

>>58319911

Double

/thread

>>58325286
And the best part is, the 1080ti is most likely cheaper to manufacture than a 980ti since it's on a smaller node and they can get more chips from one wafer

>>58325311
Yeah, the fabled non-founders edition msrp that is kinda hard to find more than 6 months after the launch.

keep screaming for that big, long, hard gpu Nvidia fetishist.

>>58325376

you've been able to find 1070s and 1080s for msrp for more than 6 months now, even some decent AIB cards are now at MSRP.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125880&cm_re=1080-_-14-125-880-_-Product

>>58325323
aye this is something people always seem to forget. wafers got cheaper over the years and the process to produce chips (1060, 1070, 1080ti) is the same so they only increase prices because they can.

>>58325414
>even some decent AIB cards are now [almost down to the] MSRP.


yeah, baby, give it to me real good.

>>58325286
go back to work pajeet

>>58325473
Well, you need to cover the costs of implementing new fab processes, as in the 14nm node, but they must've been covered by now.

TSMC made a real killing on the 32nm, the fact that Nvidia was still asking top dollar for cards made on a very mature process is far more concerning.

>>58325473

wafers actually get more expensive with each generation, especially now since EUV is taking so long to reach viability

>>58325272
>ad hominem

>>58319895
Where does it say the 1080 Ti is $1099?

>>58319895
They are thinking there is no competition.

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>>58322523

>no source
>254 replies

>>58326845
This. People are asking for a source here, but it's being drowned out by more outrage.

SOURCE SOURCE SOURCE SOURCE

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meanwhile im just sitting here with my gtx 960 i got as a present but all i play is roguelikes and good (old) games that don't push it higher than 20%.

you people are obnoxious, you can play any game that exists right now with a $150 card if you aren't some underage that cares whether or not the settings are "ultra hd extreme overmaximum"

You want a premium product, pay a premium price.

You do understand that marginal increases in performance end up costing exponentially more.

Do you retards complain that ferrari's cost X amount of money over a v8 mustang too ?

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>>58326866
>you can play any game that exists right now with a $150 card if you aren't some underage that cares whether or not the settings are "ultra hd extreme overmaximum"

is this autism or just weak bait?

>>58326931

>>58326931

>>58326931

>>58326866

what games are you playing?

>>58326902
nope i play everything on min settings with vsync with ~15% hardware utilization because looking fancier adds nothing to my gameplay experience and just adds an extra quarter to my power bill and/or makes the fans easier to hear.

>using the word autism
i was right about the age assessment i guess

>>58326950
You're a faggot. Why would we shitpost in your shitty thread when we can shitpost in this one?

>>58326960
mechwarrior, homeworld, DCSS, C&C, modded quake 3, that kind of thing.

Used to do some quake live for the multiplayer but once it went Steam i wasn't able to play it anymore because I refuse their DRM. Just as well, I learned that they shitterized it with 'loadouts' as soon as they got it.

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>>58327046
you can do that kind of thing on integrated graphics you fucking retard. I could shove an hdmi cable up my dick hole and play these games

>>58321967
price is everything.

ryzen 4 core loses to a 6700 by 5% its a weaker product
but if it only costs 150$ its amazing

amd puts out something that is ballpark but lower then a 1080, meh
amd prices it at 400$ fucking win.

the doom demo it is not known what gpu it was, small or big, the state of the drivers is unknown but assumed working good enough to not crash,

IF amd is targeting volta as their competition they have 2 things

1) they solved utilization issues in gcn which would make amds cards monstrous.

2) amd put out a new architecture, remember, the 4000 was new and shit on nvidia hard, then the 5000 refined it and shit on nvidia again, then the next gpu was the 7000 that shit on nvidia again. just from past history when amd makes a new architecture for graphics, they take a massive fuck off leap ahead, if this is not a refinement but a new architecture, there is a good chance they don't see current pascal as competition.

and here is the kicker why you want amd to be number 1 instead of nvidia, they cant sell their gpus for shit so they will sell them FAR lower then nvidia is willing to given performance. Amd wants marketshare to get devs off gameworks, which is a positive for everyone considering nvidias black box spaghetti cant even run on their own gpus well code.

>>58327244
>ryzen 4 core loses to a 6700 by 5% its a weaker product
>but if it only costs 150$ its amazing
If AMD wants to increases its revenue, it really needs to price things accordingly, make it 5-15% cheaper then the competition, not 50%.
if a steep discount is the only way you can be competitive then you are just hobbling yourself with poor revenue and maybe even losing money as well

AMD has been playing this game of discounting their cpus for some time now, and it really as not helped their bottom line.

If you want AMD to succeed you must be willing to pay at or near intel prices for their products.

Of course intel can lower prices too and this would put tremendous pressure on AMD.

>>58327230
These are what I play, not the entirety of what I have attempted to play but hated. Face the fact that nothing good has come out since 2010.

>>58327327
you realize, now think of this real hard, that intel has been raming their cock in your ass for so long, you may have just forgot it was there once the blood started to act like lube?

>>58322081

good games, not incredible.

>>58320708
Congrats, you might be the dumbest cunt here

>>58322324
no they wont.

They are looking to get back into the server market with zen, if they get even 10% that's long term debt cleared.

Then you go to gpus, the real money isnt in consumer its in enterprise, that amd has already secured quite a few deals and has good offering for.

consumer side, they literally can't charge intel prices for the cpus, they lack to many features and are not performance parity for the people who need a 8 core 16 thread processor. They are at best looking to take any reason to get an intel cpu away from consumers.

on the gpu side, they need marketshare, if they are equal to nvidia, and sell for nvidia price, no one will buy amd, because nvidia has to many die hard fans and normies know nvidia, the only way amd will gain market share is by undercutting. If they undercut enough, even nvidiots would have to give amd a chance, and if amd gets their market share up, less reason to use gameworks, less reason to not have amd apis that benefit amd.

Right now amd needs to play the long game, not 'give me all your money now for these prices' game because they will lose it.

>>58320499
>America
>Uncorrupted

When will you fucktards learn?

>third world

Just by virtue of having a job in Australia, we are within a fraction of the top 1% of global income.

All the developed world looks at America as a declining third world shithole and you specials keep tardposting about "mah freedumbs" as if your country isn't fucked.

It's not merely embarrassing, it's downright degenerate.

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>>58327350
You seem upset that AMD hasn't made products that are worth buying outside of the GPUs

A few years ago the 2500K was the cpu to get, these days you get whiners like you that make retarded statements about intel ass raping you.

performance of modern cpus has increased while prices have stayed about the same.

a 2500K was a steal during the day, now for the same damn price you get better performance but that is suddenly a shit deal ? get fucked.

>>58319911
/hyperthreading

>>58322775
Don't know if you are retarded or fucking with us, but when you write a % out in decimal it goes like this

50% is .50 If you want to add 50% its 1.50

100% gain would double the money so 2.0

With percents you always have to account for what you have.

>>58327570
how many die shrinks has there been yet they haven't lowered the price once, performance gen to gen is almost identical, yet still no price drop.

both of these things in almost any sector with competition means you lower the fucking price, yet intel has not done that.

And if the rumors are true, they really did have their thumb jammed straight up their ass thinking that money machine would never be challenged.

>>58320778
Black people glorify gang culture, violent culture, and commit the most violent crimes.

Personally want every single non violent offender out of prison, but even then it would still be majority black people.

>>58327644
>both of these things in almost any sector with competition means you lower the fucking price, yet intel has not done that.
Have you considered that there is a price floor for these things and that below a certain amount it wouldnt make financial sense to even make them ?
You don't see $15 250GB hard drives today, while the price per gigabyte has been slowly marching towards manufacturers have instead chosen to increase capacity while keeping prices about the same throughout the years.


6500 is cheaper than the 2500K at launch both in terms of absolute numbers and when you factor in inflation.
If you take account inflation, 2500K costs about as much as a 6600K today.

>>58327726
the price floor

for the ryzen 8 core 16 thread, it is half the size of a 8350 which sold msrp 200$ for a profit, that means at 350$ they would make a 300-400% profit uptick over what they made with the 8350

now the 4 core and 6 core are both fucked up 8 core cpus, so they are just recuping costs there and even then, they would be making around 50% more profit per 4 core sold at 150$ then they made on the 8350

with vega, lets assume that its the big vega is a 600mm card, the fury sells for, the fury, the cut fury x, sells for 260$ and its profit, fury x sells for 320 at proffit, and fury nano is cheapest 500, which is insanely high binned fury x, at proffit, and during black friday, nanos were going for sub 300$

so even assuming worst case scenario, the big vega is 600mm, we could see it at 500$, possibly lower, and them selling a highly binned one to us for 500$, because them not selling binned polaris gpus really fucked the way the card was seen, especially at launch.

because amd said polaris will be the sub 300$ gpus, im thinking the lowest we will see a vega for is 350, likely 400 for the small one. If this is a new architecture, or it is a fixed big gcn, the price will likely go well with its performance, but due to the recent ad, and this is what much speculation is going on, amd fixed it enough or added enough that they just don't see pascal as their competitor anymore.

>>58327726
>implying that price finding mechanisms are there to benefit the consumers.

hint: they're actually paying really smart people a lot of cash to figure out how much they can get away with overpricing you retards. They're also commiting a couple of financial crimes on the side in price fixing, carteization and all of that good stuff to make sure you keep spending as much as you possibly could. Hardware manufacturers are even worse than fin-de-siécle (xix) big oil, and I really doubt that you could even find out real production costs publicly disclosed.

>>58326860
>>58326845
OP is an obvious false flag. Making some absurd high price claim so people aren't disappointed when it ends up being $799 and all of /g/ will fall for it claiming "BASED NVIDIA" when this is basically what they did with the 980 Ti except $100 higher.

>>58327938
Considering the /v/ thread can't muster a source either, I believe you. Nobody seems to be talking about the topic either. These threads are just more arguing over brands.

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>>58327856
>it is half the size of a 8350 which sold msrp 200$ for a profit

How can you be so sure if sold for a profit ?
Have you seen AMD fiancial statements ?
They have had a negative profit margin for several years now.

You also need to take account volume into things as well.
AMD might only break even on Zen if it moves X amount of units.

until actual prices are released it is just speculation.
You talk about binning like AMD is the only one that does it or has never done it before.

>>58320398
Sucks not living in the US, doesn't it? Seems like you're pretty mad about it

>>58320499
>____ is for americans meme
How about you get off your fat ass until you're at a healthy weight and then play video games after that's all sorted out?

Fuck yourself. I'm a US citizen, white, and 6'0" and I approve this message, child

>>58328020
It sold at a profit because why would they put out a cpu if it cost them money per unit sold?

>>58319895
What in the ACTUAL FUCK?

I got my 980 Ti for 600 on release. This is a fucking joke

>>58328406
>what are fixed costs

Because it is better to have revenue coming in and losing money then zero revenue to come in and still lose money anyways.
Think of it like this, AMD might have some obligations where it has to pay 100m every quarter, it has to pay this no matter what. It is a fixed cost.
Now AMD might have decided that is it better to sell 300m worth of chips and lose 50m on it, then do nothing at all and still have to pay 100m
this is just a gross oversimplification of whatever AMD has decided to do.


Honestly, financial statements aren't some secret, you can do download and read them any time after they are released.
AMD is doing better, they are stopping the bleeding but they are not out the woods yet.
Looks like their GPU segment is keeping them afloat for now, they really need Zen to be a success to pull things through here.

>>58328620
and Ryzen.
I seriously want their CPUs to be successful.

I miss the old days of AMDominance

>>58322638
>>58322694

just stop, you guys don't know absolute DOG SHIT about finance.

Source: MBA grad

>>58328620

AMD is playing for the long run. But you to think that you know their financial is giving me kek.

>no source
>290 replies

>>58326931

>>58326931

>>58320660
>1070 beats 980ti exactly a year after its release
Sure Jan

>>58328670

>implying MBA's know anything let alone anything to do with finance

lel

>>58328736
>5 years of losing money
>AMD playing the long run

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>>58328736
>Heh we will show those Nvidels 5 years from now. Just you wait.

>>58327557
>>All the developed world looks at America as a declining third world shithole

t. Mohamed

>>58320569
>He doesn't know minimum wage increase the floor for all prices and wages

Shouldn't have dropped out of high school abbo.

>>58320499
>In the meantime Americans will be free to discuss fair market value for goods sold in America.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>58331388
lmao

>>58319895
>all those facets
At that price you'd think they'd design a card with more polys

>>58321853
I went from a 7970 to 780ti then 2 780ti's NOW im on a single 290x
I've come full circle

>>58324989
HBM itself is very power efficient compared to gddr5. The gpu on the fury was the power sucker, and that's because it had pretty much the maximum amount of transistors TSMC could possibly fit into a humongous die with their 28nm process. It also began development with the intention of using 20nm but TSMC dropped the ball on that so AMD had rework a lot of shit late in development. The fury we got was not the one they wanted to make.

Early HBM also had some manufacturing kinks that only became obvious far too late in production to properly address, meaning the modules found in the fury are actually operating below full potential.

This is why HBM1 hasn't been used since, as focus was instead placed on making HBM2 better in every way.
>implying you need to oc memory with 1tb of bandwidth
HBM won't be a bottleneck for many generations to come, and bandwidth increases exponentially with additional modules by nature.

>>58328620
This anon knows what he is talking about.

Any of you faggots arguing with him go crack an econ or business book.

I've been buying AMD since I got a durin 1.2 to replace my intel pentium mmx 233.

>>58319895
>almost 1:1 $/Ti ratio
Jesus, will anything ever beat the 750?

>>58326982
>looking fancier adds nothing to my gameplay experience

Bullshit. There's dozens, maybe hundreds of games that really could not work if they were still being done on vector graphics or something.

>>58319895

Citation needed.

>>58328670
Did you get your MBA from some shithole south american country? Because you obviously don't know the difference between GAP and market cap.

>>58322578

Oh no, more Americans have jobs and shit but we have to pay a little bit more for things, I can't think of anything worse than that.

>>58319895
yeah, why not make it $1080

>>58320499
Kek. As a "third worlder" I've had the opportunity to move to 'Merica but you guys are probably going to be worse off than me soon enough.

>>58327341
>nothing good has come out since 2010
>I don't know what opinions are
>I don't know that for the most part what makes a game good is subjective

I know you haxors on four channel love to be contrarian. Stay mad that my dick has more compute power than your computer

>>58331592
>$/Ti ratio
What did he mean by this ?

>>58332589
cost of 1080ti is almost $1080. still no source, just a bunch of retards. but this is 4chan, so there are nothing but retards on here

>>58319895
yeah should ve priced $1080 (Tax Included)

>>58328620
isnt AMD helping Microsoft with Scorpio, the 4k Console?

you seem the be the Business person thats posting in here, i appreciate your posts

ive been wondering if AMD has been taking their time because the same tech that Vega and Zen will be based off of is going into Scorpio. Id imagine Microsoft threw them some money to make sure its Flawless, after their problems with the Xbox360 costing them a billion in repairs. (its why the Xbox One was so big with a huge fan and heatsink, they are willing to spend to not fuck up.) And with Phil Spencer now in change, they dont want to be the weakest gaming platform.