/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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>mfw freetards spouting out all MUH FREEDUMB but using botnet google captcha to post on a closed source proprietary imageboard software

I'm happy that there is no stupid 4chan users.

>>58314643
True, true. And Stallman himself told that he is not using social network, so we shouldn't be here.

>>58314678
They are forcing their agenda on people in the thread, despite a large number not even using gnu for their userland

>>58314700
These people don't use cat, ls, and rm ect? Their NonGNU Linux distro wasn't built with gcc? Fascinating tell me more about this fictional universe.

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I have a qBittorrent issue. When I download only specific files out of a large torrent, qB creates a shitton of files that I didn't create.

I remember that before qB created .unwanted-xxxxx folder but after recent updates, it stopped doing that. I don't even even if there's an option for it in Settings (I have looked).

Anyone know what's going on?

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>2017
>unironically using linux

>>58314990
>I have a qBittorrent issue.
yeah, you're using linux.
>Anyone know what's going on?
yup, linux is known for breaking stuff.

>>58314955
>freebsd also has gnushite installed on it because it uses cat, ls, rm
typical gnutard. i didn't know such levels of tech illiteracy were even possible
lmao

>>58315014
where the fuck are the mods? why isn't this asshole being reported? he completely destroyed previous /fglt/.

>>58314955
Wow! Didn't know GNU made Unix as well. This is pretty interesting.

>>58315044
this isn't your little safespace. you can fuck off now.

>>58314643
You complete misunderstand the purpose of freedom and free software. 4chan is not a computer program running on my computer. Google Captcha is not a computer program running on my computer. My freedom is about computer programs that I run on my computer.

>>58315075
Yes, google captcha is proprietary software. You execute proprietary code on YOUR machine every single time you make a post. so much about "freedom"

>>58315075
how are you posting here without accessing 4chan?

>>58315026
You do realize busybox is still gnu coreutils right? Look in /bin tell me what you see there. Is it full of formerly proprietary AT&T unix programs that were rewritten like cp? That's called gnu coreutils.

Unless you're using a BSD, then you're using Berkeley Software Distribution coreutils but the entire userland is still compiled with gcc unless it's FreeBSD. Even Illumos(Solaris) variants are still using gcc.

>>58315075
>being this fucking tech illiterate
typical gnutard. back to your subreddit, "bruh"

I'm at my fucking wits end with mpd
I can't get it to work remotely with pulse audio
the error is

pulse_output: Failed to enable "Pulse Output" [pulse]: pa_context_connect() has failed: Connection refused

>>58315105
>You do realize busybox is still gnu coreutils right?
lmao. no you fucking retard. i use musl and busybox. there isn't a single gnushit program on my computer.
>but the entire userland is still compiled with gcc unless it's FreeBSD
really? how can you make such a claim without knowing what distro i use (if any)
now fuck off to your subreddit, tech illiterate gnutard.

>>58315117
Linux doesn't have good enough sound support yet. Might wanna try out Windows since it has basic features like being able to play sound remotely.

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Will connecting a USB flash drive/HDD that's maybe infected with windows malware, to a machine that's running linux with WINE installed, could lead to WINE running the malware by itself?

>>58315099
>>58315088
>>58315109
You are confusing the difference between a network service and a computer program running on my machine.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/network-services-arent-free-or-nonfree.en.html

>>58315138
Why would you even use WINE? Just install pure windows and maybe install Linux on another drive to play with it once in a while. It's a toy OS and isn't meant for primary use.

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I want unix on my pic related, should I install lignux or fucking hackintosh

>>58315146
how are you accessing 4chan without somehow interacting with it on your computer?
i don't visit infected sites by the way, i can't trust it to not upload something malicious to my machine.

>>58315156
Lincux isn't even close to unix. Hackintosh is clearly the better option, it's even better than OS X I would say.

>>58315138
If Wine implements the subroutines used by the malware, then it is theoretically possible to infect your Linux machine. In practise, Wine doesn't automatically run anything. You have to instruct Wine into running it manually. Even if you do get infected, it's easy enough to delete your fake Windows directory and start with a fresh Wine environment.

>>58315146
Why do your morals and ethics mean so little?

>>58315128
busybox is GPL as it's derivative work of Gnu Coreutils.

You're still a Gnufag, fag.

>>58314618
LIBRED.COM

>>58315192
I couldn't care less about the GPL since it isn't software. It's a pretty good license. I just don't want any GNUshite running on my system and these days it's pretty easy to achieve.

>>58315148
Apple users like you can fuck right off. Just sayan.

>>58315199
I don't use Apple software or hardware though. I don't really like it but it's still better than Linux.

>>58315160
I am accessing 4chan as a network service. I retrieve 4chan web pages and I can run my own program to process how the web pages look. This is the theory of how 4chan mobile apps work. I use this same theory to write my own Javascript programs that run on top of Greasemonkey.

>>58315216
I see, so you indeed use proprietary software. Why do your morals and ethics mean so little?

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>>58315190
>Why do your morals and ethics mean so little?
What did he mean by this?

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>>58315227
Damn man, you might want to get off 4chan. It seems it is emitting some sort of negative proprietary energy and its making you mad

>>58315226
Once again, you are confused about the difference between network services and computer programs running on my machine.

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>>58315242
You're damn right I'm mad. Mad about freedom!

this thread is garbage
you all suck and should kys

>>58315246
Sometimes the truth is hard to understand. The reality is, you are using proprietary software simply by virtue of being here.

>>58315026
busybox?

>>58315253
what sort of retarded question is this?

>>58315252
That is impossible because 4chan doesn't send me any computer programs.

>>58315260
busybox?

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>>58315249
Fat kike stallman wants it to be a crime to sell proprietary software or DRM. BSD is true freedom.

>>58315267
But it breaks your morals,even if you arent using a computer you own. Or are you that weak willed?

I'm currently on OS X. Give me one reason to switch to Linkeks.

>>58315156
Install BSD or Plan9.

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Windows - kinda shitty, but still fine.
BSD - good UNIX-like OS.
OS X - best OS, the true successor to UNIX.

Anybody who unironically uses Lincux should kill themselves though.

>>58315278
I don't care what other people do with their computers. Their computer is not my responsibility. I only care about the programs running on my computer.

If I go to my bank's ATM and find that it's running on Windows and Adobe Flash, that has no effect on me because I don't own the bank's ATM nor do I rely on this ATM to do my computing. If I go to my job and they need me to use Microsoft Office, that has no effect on me because I don't own those computers. I do not conduct my personal business on those computers, I am conducting my employer's business so therefore it is my employer who is responsible for those computers. If they ask me to install Microsoft Office on my personal computer, then I will refuse for they have no right to ask me to do that.

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>>58315364
But you hate proprietary software so much, you spot FREEDUMBZ yet you're using prop rotary software.

hi there i like linux and not so much windows or bsd or osx :)

>>58315137
Didn't this used to be one of the first things you learn on a unix system? I could've sworn I read that on like the philosophy page or something.


Anyway, I had my parabola all set up and ready, just needed to partition the drive and sync it all up when I decided to test the drive by writing a random dump file to it but wrote to a log file using /dev/loop so X crashed on me and I didn't know about CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE until a few minutes ago.

If I hadn't just said it to myself, I would've said to you guys that this is actually kind of fun.

>>58315385
>>58315394
Linux is straight up trash though. Stop using it.

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>>58315375
I hate being restricted to control my own computer and sharing the software that I rely on. I do not rely on other people's computers to do my own computing. My operating other people's computers to do their computing has no effect on my freedom.

>>58315295
one word

/dev/

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>>58315148
Why are you here?
>>58315188
>If Wine implements the subroutines used by the malware, then it is theoretically possible to infect your Linux machine
I know that.
>Wine doesn't automatically run anything.
That's good to hear.
So whatever methods of auto running malware uses under windows, it doesn't work with WINE/Linux, is that right?
Unless I run the malware myself?

could an anime poster tell me off for using linux please

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>>58315430
>2017
>he still isn't using BSD

>>58315428
>So whatever methods of auto running malware uses under windows, it doesn't work with WINE/Linux, is that right?
Unless I run the malware myself?
Modern versions of Windows will not automatically run things by default. You have to reconfigure your Windows system to allow this feature to happen.

Wine doesn't autorun anything at all. There is no Wine mechanism to run autorun.inf when you connect a removable storage device.

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>>58315428
>Why are you here?
To tell you not to use Lintrash.
>>58315411
Hypocrite
:^)

>>58315364
>If I go to my job and they need me to use Microsoft Office, that has no effect on me
You still need to use that shitty piece of software then.

>If I go to my bank's ATM and find that it's running on Windows and Adobe Flash, that has no effect on me
Really? I'd be scared.

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>>58315455
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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>>58315452
>Wine doesn't autorun anything at all
So it's safe to plugin and mount USB flash drives/HDD on a linux machine to retrive some files like pictures and movies.
As long as I don't run masterplan.vbs

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>>58315474
No, it's reality. Its a legit argument.

>>58315470
You're conflating the issue of whose computing are you running. I'm only responsible for my own personal computing running on the computers that I own. Operating other person's computer does not imply that I am doing my computing on that computer.

For example I won't be going to my public library to calculate my taxes that I have to pay to the taxman. My computing in this scenario is the calculation of my taxes. If I go to my public library and operate those computers to search the library index for a book, I'm not doing my computing on them. I would be doing the library's computing while I am the operator. Whether I am personally the operator or the librarian is the operator will not change the fact that it is the library's computing that happens when I need to find a book.

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>>58315520
Why do your morals and ethics mean so little?

>>58315489
Exactly.

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>>58315532
>Why do your morals and ethics mean so little?
What did he mean by this?

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>>58315544
Tell me, why are you so obstinant about degrading bsd?

>>58315520
As long as you provide input or read the output it is your computing. You're not responsible for the computing itself, but the results may affect you so yes the computing should be relvant to you.

>>58315570
I like the free Berkley System Distributions. They're (mostly) free software so I'm pretty happy with them.

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That's it, I'm done with everything FSF, GNU, etc...

Promoted by a literal autist communist sociopath faglord.

>>58315580
>As long as you provide input or read the output it is your computing
This is where I disagree. This is related to the issue of network services. Programs and services are different kinds of entities and deserve different kinds of consideration.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/network-services-arent-free-or-nonfree.en.html

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>>58315590
Freebsd is literally the best. BSD is true freedom.

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>>58315619
(((FSF))) is trash
Not open source and free software, just FSF

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>>58315638
Thank senpai

>>58315619
The problem is that you seem to think that "computing" would in any form mean "running software on a system"

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>>58315535
Thanks anon.
I've obtained old HDDs for cheap and want to set it as a RAID for a mini-server in my dorm.

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>>58315679
No, Richard, it's 'Legs', not 'Chair/Legs'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Legs were the creation of the GPL and the GCC cushion. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Sitting Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

>>58315665
That's exactly what computing means. Software = computing. The issue of freedom in software is all about the software running on my personal computer(s). Other people's computers are not my responsibility.

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>>58315746
I see, so why are you preaching your crap everywhere? Are you this autistic in real life as well?

>>58315746
I can do my computing in my head.
I can do my computing using pen & paper
I can do my computing using network services
I can do my computing using software running on my machine.

Sure, running software on a machine is related to computing, since that how running software works, but they are not synonyms.

Stop abusing the term computing.

>>58315816
Exactly. "Computing" was a thing long before computers were.

What do you use to edit metadata for audio/video files on linux?

>>58315850
I don't. It's complete shite. Try out windows instead or even better OS X

>>58315044
reporting doesn't work, mods don't care

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>>58316042
Could I ask what are you referring two?

>>58315877
Why are you lurking this thread?
Nobody invited to the new year party, and you're venting hear?

>>58316042
Welp, R.I.P. /fglt/.

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>>58316096
I want to bring more users to better operating systems
>Nobody invited to the new year party, and you're venting hear?
Why?!

just dont reply

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>>58316166
who are you refering too?

>>58316166
Doesn't matter, he'll just start samefagging.

>>58316166
>go to bed
>2 hours later
>cant sleep
>wakeup computer and check /fAglEt/
>all these cool animes
fucking guys are having too much fun without me!

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>>58316191
i don't understand who your talking about! please explain!!!

>>58316202
now post anime too, fag :(

>>58316191
just wait, everyone needs some sleep :^)

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>>58316256
Sounds like a good plan

>sudo apt install emacs
>97.1Mb required
Wat

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>>58316278
try either of these things:
1) not using a shit editor
2) not using a bloated package
3) not using a distro which forces you to install bloatware

>>58316278
Yeah, that's pretty small for an OS

>>58316304
>3) not using a distro which forces you to install bloatware
It didn't force me to install emacs though?

And how am I meant to know it's shit without trying it?

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>>58316317
not emacs itself. it can be pretty lightweight as far as i know. in good distros you can choose whether or not you want to include support for certain features. seems like your distro is pretty bad

>>58316278
If you know vim, get spacemacs (on top of emacs) and you'll have a lot of fun.

>>58315474
I can't believe you bothered answering him that much

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>>58316306
>Yeah, that's pretty small for an OS
>for an OS
>I thought he was joking
What the fuck man, it handles email, web browser, calendar, games, a calculator, and encryption..
Who is responsible for this abomination?

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>>58316374
fat kike rms

I'm a bit of out of the loop, please help: Are we just pretending to be Windows users or is this thread really filled with Windows users?

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>>58316232
all i got is MMDs DDDDD: and it takes a long time to cut and convert them

>>58316382
Dual-booters and GPU-passthrough VM users have been here for a long time.

>>58316382
guess it's just one lonely fag trolling, compare the posts/ips count

>>58316406
full time linux user here, i gave up a long time ago.

>>58316382
I use exclusively Windows. I am ocasionnaly forces to touch the piece of shit that is linux but i try not to think about it

>>58316421
Gave up on what?

>>58316406
Balls deep Gentoo here, get off my lawn.

>>58316437
on pretending to like it. I just realized it's shit.

>>58316441
pretty close T B H

>>58316439
Sounds gay and you've always been the minority here.

>>58316439
I do not believe you. Post your make.conf and an anime image to confirm this post.

>>58315816
You can only do the most trivial of computing using your head, pen, paper and abacus. You're not going to compete with the computational power of a computer.

>>58316459

# These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically
# built this stage.
# Please consult /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for a more
# detailed example.
MAKEOPTS="-j4"
CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
# WARNING: Changing your CHOST is not something that should be done lightly.
# Please consult http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/change-chost.xml before changing.
CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
# These are the USE and USE_EXPAND flags that were used for
# buidling in addition to what is provided by the profile.
#CPU_FLAGS_X86="mmx sse sse2"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
DISTDIR="${PORTDIR}/distfiles"
PKGDIR="${PORTDIR}/packages"
#################################################################################
VIDEO_CARDS="nouveau"

NOTUSE=" -vlc "
KDEUSE=" wxwidgets bluetooth acl mtp pulseaudio"
#HAM=" rtlsdr network grc noaa uhd dtv channels fec"
USE="$NOTUSE $KDEUSE $HAM gtk alsa xinerama unicode nls cjk anthy dbus X"

source /var/lib/layman/make.conf

so is there like any reason to use this toy os? seems like a joke quite frankly

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>>58316473

>>58316472
Now an image from an animation

>>58316472
>no CPUFLAGS
>no march

why do you even gentoo brul?

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>>58316479

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>>58316475
thanks! now i can feed my family!

>>58316490
teach me brethren.

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>>58316473
No there is no reason. Please continue to use Windows 10 and all the latest versions of Windows.

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>>58316492
good. you are a confirmed gentoo user. though you should add cpuflags. i recommend using a script called cpuid2cpuflags for this
also use an anime wallpaper if you aren't for some reason.

>>58316517
Thanks mate. I will follow this advice gladly

>>58316469
You've got that backwards. A computer can only do the most trivial computations.
Why we use them at all then? Because it is really fast at doing those, and more complex problems can be solved by doing lots of trivial computations and the speed-advantage of the computer still makes it faster than doing the complex computations by a human.

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>>58316469
lambda calculus is turing complete and i can do it with a pen.

inane

>>58316596
So, Linus named Linux. So why is this fat commie trying to steal Linus' success away from him by trying to rename something that Linus created?

>>58316612
Linux is communism itself. Get Windows.

So I was fucking around with my keyboard configuration and now the left and down arrows don't repeat when held down (right and up still work though)

Can't remember what I did that broke it but how to fix?

>>58316547
The fact that complex computations are able to be transformed into a list of simpler computations are irrelevant. Humans also do this kind of work breaking complex computations into simple ones then combining the simple computations to achieve a complex outcome.

My original point is that when I do my computing, I do it on my computer that obeys me - I own my computer so it should obey me. It is impossible for my own computer to obey me when I install and run proprietary software in my own computer. Operating somebody else's computer does not imply I am doing my computing on their computer; their computing is not my responsibility. Being offered an information service on a different person's computer is not the same as doing my computing on that person's computer.

>>58316635
>Linux: You own your devices, do what you want with it.
>Windows: All your data are belong to Microsoft.

Linux is the communist?

>>58316636
xset?

>>58316636
>but how to fix?
Uninstall Lincux and install a real OS which wasn't designed to be a toy. I recommend OS X but Windows is fine too.

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>>58316646
Why do your morals and ethics mean so little?

>>58316612
Stallman doesn't try to steal the success of Linux. Stallman is trying to highlight the success of GNU. People make the mistake of conflating Linux and GNU as the same thing.

>>58316636
Nvm just went to 'keyboard' in the menu and reset the layout to default. Thanks guys :)

>>58316649
Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ?

That sounds preposterous to me.

If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there must be some error in your calculations. I hope you realise that windows is more than just Office ? Its a whole system that runs the computer from start to finish, and that is a very difficult thing to acheive. A lot of people dont realise this.

Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that. It would take billions of dollars and a massive effort to achieve. IBM tried, and spent a huge amount of money developing OS/2 but could never keep up with Windows. Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft.

Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer from start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible.

I think you need to re-examine your assumptions.

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>>58316669
>Why do your morals and ethics mean so little?
What did he mean by this?

>>58316671
RMS is basically a homeless loser who hasn't made any real contributions in the last 20 years. He is still super butthurt that Linux beet HURD (but hey, HURD just got basic sound support in 2016!) and basically tries to claim Linux because Linus used GCC and the GNU coreutils.

>>58316692
BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called " xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.
Your son may try to install " lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional.
If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.

>>58316693
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BhLnuwV7oM

>>58316696
Stallman doesn't try to claim Linux at all. Stallman is claiming GNU.

>>58316715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUed7HZtTNA

>>58316696
That commie jew autist has some nerve! Always stealing from others!

>>58316707
Most (99%) of Winfags are idiots, who don't know anything else exists. They're your grandma, and your balding uncle, who install "50 free emoticons" and click "the facebook of porn". They're the idiotic masses, the retards. The people who buy boring sedans, work desk jobs and ask "does it come with minesweeper". You will never meet any linfag or macfag as retarded as these people, because they are the base, they are the zero of computing, the starting point.

Macfags are a small step above, because even though their OS is like being held by the hand crossing the road, and their hardware is stupidly expensive, they paid for it. They made a conscious decision to pay more for their computer, and that means they care about it at least to a point. The fact that they care at least enough to make a decision about their computer makes them a step above the average winfag. They compute with a level of consciousness, not about how their base system works, but with what kind of experience they'd like to have. They're the middle of the road, because they're still idiots for not actually taking the step the linfags took.

>>58316721
lol why are you this mad? It's real. Linux will always be Linux and not BULLSHIT/Linux. """Doctor""" Stallman is just trying to steal credit from some white man who labored for years over his project and made it.

>>58316646
You are still abusing the term computing.
Why is it so hard for you to say running software when you mean it?

Besides, your own computer very likely does run propietary software. You're trying to tell me that none of your hardware runs non-free firmware? Get real.

>>58316767
y so mad tho senpai. Linux will always be Linux. GNU will always be GNU. GNU/Linux is the combination of both.

>>58316770
No I'm not. I'm distinguishing my computing with other people's computing. Other people's computing is not the same as my computing.

>>58316767
He doesn't try to steal credit, he demnads to get credit that people just don't want to give him.

>>58316782
When that obnoxious fat autist finally hires someone with some skills and writes an OS for him, he can name it whatever the fuck he wants (and can even stick with the shitty Hurd name).
>>58316802
He does though, all that fat kikes does and will ever do is steal other peoples work.

>>58316817
He finished his OS a long time ago. The OS is GNU. People normally pair the GNU OS with a kernel program called Linux.

>>58316829
GNU is riddled with proprietary blobs
so much about "freedom"

You may be running nonfree programs on your computer every day without realizing it—through your web browser.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.en.html

Stop using 4chan.

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>>58316888
You can't dodge closed shit on x86. Even librewhatever have closed firmwares here and there.

>>58316793
Consider the following:
You want to solve the equation: x = 2 + 2
How do you do it?
By computing it. This is your computation, because you want to know the result.
You can do it on your own machine or someone's else machine. It's still your computation, since you want to know the result. And since you want the result you get to be correct, you really should care about it even if it is run on someone's else machine.

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>>58316888
sorry ,4chan is too addicting.

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>>58317002
Why do your morals and ethics mean so little?

>>58317021
i've been locked in this room. i haven't smelt a real woman in so long

>>58316888
I've written my own access to 4chan and Google captcha using Greasemonkey.

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>>58317043
>real woman
mate...

>>58317054
no you haven't.

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>>58317061
God has forsaken me. Gentoo is my savior.

>>58316962
If I ask people to calculate 2+2 for me, I don't care if they have to invoke the power of cthulhu to run their magic potions to make it happen. I am asking for their service to do some work. Their service is their own business and I do not control their service. If I buy a machine and that machine belongs to me, then that machine should be under my control and it should obey only me. It is impossible for me to control my machine if I am forbidden to modify the software running on my machine.

>>58317054
Share it.

I look like stallman :(

>>58317075
I use the same techniques as the 4chan apps. Apparently you think it's easier to write mobile app to access 4chan is more believable than a Javascript program to access 4chan.

>>58317118
nah, you didn't do any of this.

>>58317099
I'll publish an official release on the 16th Jan.

>>58317113
you could start losing some weight you know. maybe the mental retardation will get better as a result of it.

>>58317130
but obesity and difficulty losing weight is a symptom of mental retardation so my success chances are pretty dire

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Can all the non-anime posters leave? Oh, and don't forget to take your toy OS with you.

>>58317166
i guess so... maybe you should try installing freebsd? i have heard it helps a lot. also start watching anime if you haven't already. that can be really helpful

cutest linux distro for cute girls?

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>>58317264
moebuntu

>>58316888
https://github.com/4chan/4chan-JS/blob/master/LICENSE

dumb dubsposter

>>58317098
You don't have to care how they do it, but you have to care about the result being correct. And with that, you have to care about the computing, since how else would you know if the results are correct?

Also, machines that only obey you don't exist.

>>58317306
cool, so google owns 4chan now?

>>58317287
didn't that stop updating?

>>58317098
your machine doesn't obey you. you may think it does, but that's not the case.
unless you have written every single line of code ever executed on your machine (including drivers etc) it is simply running instructions other people have defined.

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>>58317345
dunno, they still update the themes though

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>2017
>uninorinallcy using Lincux
ISHYGDDT

>>58317336
If I am asking to buy an information service, then I am already assuming that their work is correct by default. If I am not assured that it is correct for whatever reason, then I would be getting second and third opinions about the outcome of the work. I wouldn't be asking a full tutorial about why the work is wrong, only a very quick and high-level explanation about why the outcome is faulty and what they think would be a more accurate outcome.

Machines that obey me are machines that do not fail a good action by other people's design. For example, DRM technology will prevent to copy files or maybe they will prevent to decode a file if there is a key missing. If I own the key that will control this DRM feature, then I am happy. However if that key does not belong to me but the machine is supposed to be my machine, then this machine which has the DRM feature is defective by design - it doesn't obey me and my commands but fails to obey my commands at the control of the machine manufacturer or DRM technology owner or whoever.

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>>58317461
you might wanna seek treatment mate
not even kidding

>>58317362
If I have access to the source code of the software that runs on my machine, then I can control the software. I don't care if I never personally see a line of code, all I need is access to the exact source code that corresponds to the binary program and I will find a programmer to read and change it to my will.

>>58317492
Show me the source code of the firmware running on your machine

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>>58317474
you might wanna seek treatment mate
i wish i was even kidding

>>58317492
you won't though. you can't possibly claim that a machine obeys you if it's executing command you haven't issued. trying to deny this basic fact is utterly retarded and is basically just you trying to deny reality to suit your world view

>>58317514
No. The software on my machine is not your business.

>>58317492
see >>58317514

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>>58317541
freetard utterly btfo

>>58317522
It's implied that I have consented to every command written in the source code. If I feel that the program needs changing, then I have all the authority to do it for my computer.

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>>58317556
freetard utterly btfo

>>58317541
You are running non-free hardware including non-free firmware that obeys the hardware manufacturer and not you (includign possible backdoors) and you will never, ever be able to do shit about it until you design your own hardware, which you again will never ever do.

>>58317560
even then it's not obeying you. it's obeying the person who wrote the code.
>It's implied that I have consented to every command written in the source code
also this is fucking retarded. are you saying that you consent to anything malicious if someone uploads a virus to your distros repo and you run it without knowing?
also answer this >>58317585

>>58317585
I don't need to design my own hardware. When I have access to the source code to the software, then I have all the control I need over my computer. The hardware will not operate without the software to drive it.

>>58317599
I really don't care if Hillary Clinton herself wrote half the software running on my computer. As long as I have the exact corresponding source code of the computer binary programs, then I have all the control I need over my computer. If I find that there is a virus in any computer program that I'm running, I'll find a programmer to fix it for me and I'm happy.

>>58317616
you don't have access to the source code of the hardware you fucking idiot. it seems like you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about yet you think for some reason that you are "qualified" to use words like "source code" "binaries" "compute" etc.
you're just a pathetic layman trying to sound cool to his freetard friends lmao.
>The hardware will not operate without the software to drive it.
literally "loled" at this one. there is no way this isn't a direct quote from plebbit

>>58317616
>When I have access to the source code to the software
Which you don't. Non-free firmware, you know, means you don't have the source-code.

>>58317648
Good argument. Please tell me more.

>>58317645
you don't. please don't fucking use these words if you think "exact corresponding source code of the computer binary program" is a valid or non-retarded thing to say. it really sounds like you are some "hacker" kiddie trying to sound call. there is nothing wrong with being a layman as long as you don't use words you don't know.
answer this and don't evade his question >>58317663

>>58317663
You're assuming I run non-free firmware. I seriously don't do this in 2017.

>>58317665
I could tell you that Lincux is a piece of shit but that's already pretty obvious so it doesn't really need mentioning, right?

>>58317684
Good argument. Please tell me more.

>>58317676
Have you created your own CPU?

>>58317701
No.

>>58317703
So you are running non-free firmware. No intel or amd cpu is going to run without it.

>>58317690
Hi NSA. Sorry, but I don't plan to make it easier for you to have a career to take away my civil liberties, civil rights, natural rights, and my freedoms.

>>58317676
Yes, I do. Please tell me more about your home-brew computer to prove me wrong.
I know you are just running a regular PC, and those components come with lots of firmware.

>>58317709
Why do you assume that I'm running a modern Intel or AMD CPU?

https://minifree.org/product/libreboot-t400/
http://lemote.kd85.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLPC_XO

>>58317729
Where did I say modern? Any intel or amd cpu simply isn't going to work without non-free firmware.
Show me a photo of you running it right now.

>>58317729
Show me the source code for your ram's firmware. You simply won't be able to.

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should i try lincux even if I really hate it and all the freeware crap it's trying to push?

>>58317752
These computers that I have linked here can all operate with 100% free software. You seem to be concerned with firmware but I consider firmware to be software. I don't distinguish between firmware and non-firmware software.

I don't have a camera. I don't know anything about the software on cameras so I haven't bought one.

>>58317773
RAM doesn't have any firmware. It doesn't need any.

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>>58317785
nah nah

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>>58317794
Thanks!!! i feel like i have averted something terrible

>>58317791
if something uses an intel/amd cpu it by definition can't be 100% free.

>>58317810
If that's the definition you choose to keep about Intel, so be it. Keep in mind that Stallman is happy with his Thinkpad X60 with an Intel chip because this specific computer has a certain characteristic that Stallman likes in his computers (all the software respects his freedom).

Fell for arch meme.

Everything was going good until archpac /mnt base (or what ever that commanz was)
It didn't finish and cried about some corrupted files/non matching pgp signatures.

Gotta get back at it after i get some drugs.

>>58317846
i couldn't care less about what he thinks. if you for some reason think that his feelings change the reality of no intel cpu being able to run without non-free firmware then you are deeply delusional
>all the software respects his freedom
so proprietary software now "respects the users freedom"? cool, cool

>>58317846
>I don't distinguish between firmware and non-firmware software.

So you are not running 100% free software

Q.E.D

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>>58317853
should have went for gentoo. it offers a better anime watching experience as well.

>>58317888
Still inferior to Moebuntu

>>58317877
>his feelings change the reality of no intel cpu being able to run without non-free firmware then you are deeply delusional
This is where you're confused. His Intel CPU firmware is free software. My CPU doesn't even have any firmware capabilities.

>>58317912
>His Intel CPU firmware is free software
this is physically impossible but if you wanna be delusional about it go ahead.

>>58317912
Show me the source code of his firmware

>>58317917
You are literally wrong but if you wanna be outdated about it go ahead

>>58317934
I cannot get access to the software that doesn't run on my machine so therefore I cannot get what you're asking me.

>>58317896
Is there something like moegentoo? i prefer portage. but i'll try it out if it's really that much better for watching anime

>>58317888
I have arch on cd that i snatched from some mag.

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>>58317896
gentoo can be cute

>150 fps capture
heh

>>58317954
So it doesn't exist? Hm... That's interesting. Why is that kike hiding it from everyone when he's supposed to "share" it?

>>58317968
In Gentoo, you're supposed to do it on your own.

>>58317982
post that kancolle one in the top
>>58317996
but it would still be gentoo, not moegentoo. i would have to create a separate distro.

>>58317983
>Why is that kike hiding it from everyone when he's supposed to "share" it?
If you're seriously asking this question, you've completely missed the point of freedom in software.

>>58318009
But that kike is hiding his software. He probably made it proprietary as well so only he can enjoy having free intel firmware. What a piece of shit he is

>>58318008
Moebuntu is Ubuntu

>>58318031
oh, i see. i thought it was based on ubuntu. i guess i'll start working on my moegentoo soon

>>58318029
Free software doesn't imply that all free software is required to be publicly available. Free software only requires that users of computer software have authority to practice four specific freedoms of software.

Google for example makes heavy use of Linux. They have modified their own private versions of Linux that isn't available anywhere outside of Google. It is okay for everyone to have private software. The problem happens when people distribute computer programs but also withhold the source code to the programs. In Stallman's case, he hasn't distributed the software that runs as the CPU firmware so therefore he doesn't need to distribute source code until he does.

PS: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2879086/the-free-software-foundation-loves-this-laptop-but-you-wont.html

>>58318008
ran into some hiccups with ffmpeg
here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns3ARsHduKo

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i hate lincux. yesterday i found out that my best friend was using it and i told him everything i thought about him. we haven't spoken since.

I'm making the switch to Windows. I'm fucking sick of this linux shit.

I'm installing gentoo right now and I have to be honest, I'm really disappointed. It's really over hyped how hard this is.

>>58318510
Some people are simply too stupid to follow a list of straightforward instructions.

>>58318510
you need to learn not to trust retards. i honestly find it easier to set up than debian

>>58318510
Have you considered Windows 7? It's a lot better.

>>58318578
I used 7 for a bit but if I ever crawled back to windows I'd use 8.1 with classic shell. I don't see myself going back to using windows as a daily driver anytime soon, it's kind of a sinking ship at this point.

>>58318609
Windows 7 is pretty good. Better than Linkeks.

>>58315193
Have a (You) anon I smirked

>>58318826
Windows is better though. Uninstall Luncux and install based Windows XP SP3/7

https://puri.sm/products/

In all honesty the 13" one sounds great.

I'm 'mirin hardware that doesn't come with logos sprinkled on it

What do you guys use to connect to your Linux servers?

On Windows I used PuTTy (or the fork KiTTy), which allowed me to define presets and stuff. And WinSCP for file transfers.

Are there any equivalent programs or do you just use the shell with some predefined scripts?

ssh on muh macberk

>>58319628
ssh/scp

Post useful shell scripts

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I-Is the NSA trying to compromise my PC?

Is there some kind of database where I can manually check the packages?

>>58319822
elaborate

>>58319836
>it can download and install security updates automatically and unattended
Don't like this for some reason.

>>58314618
GNU'D

>>58319880
LIBRE'D

>>58319864
then don't install it.
obviously some people might consider it useful

>>58319864
It's like a cron job doing apt update && apt upgrade.

Disable the service if you don't like it.

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help I just installed gentoo and my beard has started to grow at an alarming rate

Wouldn't it be the easiest for the NSA to compromise the updates somehow. I mean generally besides this update.
Or am I just paranoid?

>>58319912
>>58319931
Will install it. Just wanted to ask for your opinion.

>>58319952
You are pants on head retarded about it since the updates still come from the same source as when you manually install them.

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>>58319944
grow your [head] hair out. your beard will automatically recess

if all gnu/linux united and didn't spaz out and find a compromise to work on a single project, do you think linux desktop would be possible?

>imb4 these people are retarded, they will not compromise
Lets just assume they did. This is a hypothetical question after all.

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>>58319986
doesn't look like that's what happened to this guy

>>58319989
>>imb4 these people are retarded, they will not compromise
>Lets just assume they did.
>This is a hypothetical question after all.

does not compute.

You either want and answer or not.

>>58319989
>do you think linux desktop would be possible?
It is already possible without your hivemind mindgame

I have a spanned lvm volume made up of 3 drives. I'm using it as a rsync destination for my raid10 array.

Is it possible to shrink the volume group, free lets say 200gb off each disk so that I can make a new group? I was planning on making a ~200gb partition striped across the three drives.

If this isn't possible I'll just delete the whole thing and start from scratch, it would just mean backing up 7.2tb of data again.

>>58319989
If all people on this planet united and didn't spaz out and found a compromise to improve on humanity instead of acting out of selfish needs, do you think conquering space before 2050 would be possible?

>inb4 people are retarded, they will not unite
Lets just assume they did. This is a hypothetical question after all

>>58314618
>kike promoting race-mixing
I'm not surprised, especially with the amount of SJWs inside FSF.

>>58320209
https://youtu.be/dCDMGu-xi30

>>58314618
What's up with this guiSD meme I keep hearing about?
Is it the (g)nu gentoo?

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so..... how does one actually get thumbnails on a Gnome/Mate based desktop without bloating the system with KDE stuff?

>>58320538
https://gist.github.com/ahodesuka

>>58320507
it's a distro of which the main selling point is Guix package manager and of course the FSF cuck stamp

https://youtu.be/AzebnJkfdvM

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Is LxQt ready for daily use?

>>58320619
a rule of thumb of what's considered "ready for daily use" is looking what distros offer it as a default solution.

if you want even more dumbed-down answer: The moment lubuntu ships with lxqt instead of lxde, lxqt is ready for daily use

So far the current LXQt version is 0.11
So even it's developers say "it's still in development"

>>58320597
What makes the package manager so special?
What's different than the dozens of other package managers that do a great job, such as pacman, zypper, apt, and yum?

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>>58320769
I think it's time to start paying more attention anon.

>>58320597
>>58320814
>47:42
Do you really expect me to listen to all that shit
The first minute is terrible enough, with that horrible accent

>>58320839
Then you obviously don't fucking care about the potential benefits of using guix.
You're so indifferent on the topic you couldn't even do your own half-assed research on the topic.

If you don't care, why do you bother?

I installed compton and my black screen instead of wallpaper is now grey, how to make screen black again with keeping compton running?

>>58321025
hsetroot -solid '#000000'

>>58321058
Good, and my mouse cursor is spinning for a minute, how to fix that?

>>58321142
ebun

no idea, don't use compton

>>58321142
>cursor is spinning
you using i3?

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Anyone else try this?

>>58321208
Yes.

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>>58321248
>shitty fork of a shitty fork of a shitty fork

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what should I install on an acer extensa 5635g i plan to sell ? Ubuntu would be OK i think ?

Acer Extensa 5635G-654G50Mn - 15.6" - Core 2 Duo T6570 - 4 GB RAM - 500 GB HDD

>>58321268
when using i3 whatever you execute with the configuration script that results in the waiting mode of your cursor you should put:

exec --no-startup-id

to avoid the spinning cursor

so for your background problem

exec --no-startup-id 'hsetroot -solid "#000000"'

>>58321318
Ubuntu or linux mint.
Or just sell it as "no OS included".
when i look for used hardware I always check this option because it would be cheaper

>>58320877
I only cared since it got added to the coppypasta in the OP

>>58321534
People read the OP?

>>58320578
I managed to download the gtk2 lib source code

only a few hours until my system is ruined

wish me luck

>>58321248
I tried it. At the time I really liked it but I ended up switching from it because it lacked printer support. If you want a similiar aesthetic but want to be able to do practical things like printing, I would suggest using PeppermintOS instead. The so-called AUR is a piece of shit and will never replace the convenience of what it intends to replace.

TLDR PeppermintOS looks similiar, is based off of Ubuntu and therefore can PRINT.

>>58321743
>to stupid to print a piece of paper
>blames computer
fuckin endusers

>>58321741
>only a few hours
It takes like 20 minutes to compile both glib2 and gtk2 on my decade old laptop

what can you even do on linux aside from ricing your desktop and pretending that you're a programmer?

>>58321741
>patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line
>Hunk #2 succeeded at 74 with fuzz 1.
what did he mean by this

>>58321818
the patch is niggered

>>58321794
watching anime

I noticed grain image on videos with compton enabled and it's bugging me, or i am tripping?

>>58321866
[/code]
perf/Makefile.am:4: warning: 'INCLUDES' is the old name for 'AM_CPPFLAGS' (or '*_CPPFLAGS')
tests/Makefile.am:4: warning: 'INCLUDES' is the old name for 'AM_CPPFLAGS' (or '*_CPPFLAGS')
Makefile:627: recipe for target 'Makefile.in' failed
make: *** [Makefile.in] Error 1
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indeed

rip

>>58321888
take screenshot; kill compton; take another_screenshot; compare screenshot another_screenshot out.png

>>58321918
>unironically knowing linux commands

>>58321952
GNU/Linux*

>>58321918
Seems the same, just with compton enabled it's bugging me for some reason.

new thread?

>>58314618
hello
I heard this is a friendly thread
I have come in an unfriendly form
now I am going to prove I am

>Around 20% of the users followed his advice at the time, although passwords ultimately prevailed. Stallman boasted of the success of his campaign for many years afterward.
HAHA

>>58321340
ty, wanted to play around with ubuntu since long time

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4KB, 300x57px

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>>58321679
I see things in it as I scroll down to the posts, yes

>>58321794
programing
leaving a stock desktop

>>58322059
huh?

>>58321743
>>58321766
I'm talking about printer drivers, you insufferable cunt.

The drivers I needed were not available in the standard repositories for Manjaro. So I had to go into the AUR (which is supposed to be a last resort) and aforesaid drivers were there but were hideously broken. I'm not an idiot if the drivers provided to me were BROKEN. It obviously was not my fault.

>>58321318
>>58322115
Actually, you should install Lubuntu. It is an Ubuntu distro that uses a lot less RAM and may actually be easier to use.

>>58321794

Anything if you know how.