OFFICIAL Core i7 7700K REVIEW THREAD

>>58304871
0% IPC

THANK YOU INTEL!

This processor is a tactic made by the jews to counter ZEN all the while reaping insane profits by idiots who buy every single new release and the people who were actively waiting for zen.

>>58304871
How could you forget techreport? It's my primary review site.
http://techreport.com/review/31179/intel-core-i7-7700k-kaby-lake-cpu-reviewed

Intel: The Apple of the CPU world

>>58304871
when can i buy the new kaby lake chips from newegg/amazon?

i'm about to order parts for my new mini-itx build, and am going with a 6600 now but if the 7600 is the same price or a bit lower obviously i'd take it. i just don't want to wait more than an extra day or two

>>58304947
As opposed to AMD who are the IBM of the CPU world? Face it man, there's no one else making x86 desktop processors, so we have to deal with one of either company's bullshit.

>>58304923
...oups

http://www.techspot.com/review/1299-intel-core-kaby-lake-desktop/

http://techreport.com/review/31179/intel-core-i7-7700k-kaby-lake-cpu-reviewed

I'm on a i3 2100 should I buy this now or will the price drop when zen comes out?

>Supporting Globalist AMD

>>58304871
Feel bad for AMD, one year too late for Zen.

>>58304990
Wait for it

There's no need for rush.

>400€
http://geizhals.eu/intel-core-i7-7700k-bx80677i77700k-a1551097.html

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>>58305003
no, the 7700K is an overcloked 6700K with a better iGPU...

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>mfw 4790k is still relevant

Any downsides to using this on a z170?

>>58305019
>better iGPU
literally the only difference is the 4k drm decode shit

>>58304889

who the fuck buys every new release?

for what purpose?

>>58304978
Thanks for the (You)

>>58305019
>better igpu
>http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_7700k_processor_review_desktop_kaby_lake,21.html

~10% difference mainly gained from the stock overclock over 6700K. Aka nothing.

>The 7600k loses to the 6600k many times in a lot of tests

What the actual fuck.

>>58305079
>idiots

l2read senpai. Just you wait for the 7700K flying off the shelves as the 6700K did , even though 0 fucks were given to actual improvents.

>>58305032
>tfw i got one brand new for $200 a couple months back


Don't want to OC just yet

>>58304949
the 5th supposedly

>>58304871

> it's literally worse than the 6700K

lol

Should i sell my 6600k and get a 7600k?

>>58304871
I imagined the benchmarks to be like this. I just upgraded my i5 3570k to an i7 3770k to last another year or two... or 3. Did I do good /g/?

>AMD is dead on arrival
>Kaby Lake is barely an improvement

2017 is already to a bad start

>>58305268
This pretty much . Feels very bad desu.

>>58304949
>implying kabylake won't have the yearly 10% "inflation" intel price hike

>>58304871
Can some fag just tell me if they run cooler than Skylake? Really don't care about anything else.

So kaby lake is an 1151 socket.

Does that mean theyll work in Z170 motherboards?

>>58304949
Go price a 4790k or 4690k or whatever on Newegg, and get back to me on the mystical price drop from Intel msrp I keep hearing about.

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>>58305424
yes! it does!

>>58305268
>>58305329
Ryzen hasn't arrived yet arrived. We don't know the upper bounds for clockspeed on ANY of the chips OR what the pricing will be.

You faggots have been shitting on AMD for years, don't act like you're suddenly sad that, in your schizophrenic delusions, Ryzen is "DOA." Shut the fuck up or go shitpost on Reddit.

>>58305468
Whats the catch?

If they work in the old MOBOs there should have been no reason to make the Z270 boards.

>>58305494
If the skylake is same as kabylake, why did they release kabylake?

(((Coincidences)))

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>>58305530
>(((

>>58305494
You need an updated UEFI for Kaby Lake to work in Z170, so in most cases, you have to make sure either the board is updated, or that you have access to a Sky Lake chip to update the UEFI.

As for why there are new boards, it's for new features. USB 3.1 gen 2, for example. Get those 10gbps speeds. More m.2 slots, etc. The only reason I upgraded from my 2500k a few months ago was for lack of features like that.

>>58305584
No point in upgrading then.

Thanks for the info, was thinking of bumping my 6600k up to the 7700k.

This must be the smallest performance gain from a new generation of CPU's intel has ever released.

Yes it's a refresh but still they market it as a new generation. This is pathetic

>>58305494
It's Intel being jews again. Can't allow people to upgrade their processors just like that, if they're forced to buy a mobo too Intel will get a cut from that too.

Kaby Lake is just a massive scam, anon. New motherboards that don't have any new features and new processors that are same as old ones except factory overclocked.

>>58305584
Yeah, also this. Make sure your z170 has kaby lake support.

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This is beyond pathetic.

>>58304871

Sell it for 2 Zen's (that outperform it) in about 2 months.

I was thinking about upgrading my i5-4670K to Kaby Lake, but it seems it would be best waiting for the next generation instead.

>5775c still the best gaming cpu

what went wrong?

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>>58305584
USB 3.1 gen 2 and m.2 are nice but not really worth upgrading your entire system for if you're using 2nd gen+ in my opinion.

The differences are nice and noticeable but they really are just luxury tier at this point. That's just my take on it anyway, maybe I'll upgrade my main board cpu and ram in a year or two but seems pointless right now.

>>58305161
Where do you get it so cheap? Jews in my country still sell it for ~400€

>>58305667
I don't think clock-for-clock comparisons are really a good way of looking at Kaby. The whole point is basically Skylake + Extra clockspeeds. Most reviewers are getting easy 5.0ghz on relatively low voltage. Youtube reviewer BitWit got 4.9ghz at 1.139v.

>>58306115

most ppl dont overclock

>>58304871
It's literally a downgrade from 6700k. Wtf went wrong?

>>58306400
lack of competition. that's why everyone should be rooting for amd.

What about temperatures? When will I be able to see actual temperatures on different multipliers?

>>58306338
>k
>don't oc

Normies will get the non K

>>58306449

Well here are some temps on stock clocks, but nothing more about the temps on any of these other sites.
Guess we'll just have to wait for people to get their hands on these things until we know.
Of course it's possible that the temps are so abysmal that no one wanted to really report them.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-kaby-lake-core-i7-7700k-i7-7700-i5-7600k-i5-7600,4870-8.html

>>58306449
Nevermind already checked it. CPUs are a fucking joke. I really can't stress enough how fucked up things are. Games back in 2015 were already bottlenecked by my i5 3570k. Witcher 3, Watch Dogs 2, GTA 5 with custom radio - all dropped frames and struggled with stuttering cuz of 99% CPU usage. Because we see no actual gains in IPC there are literally no viable upgrades for somebody like me without going all out and buying i7. I really pray for AMD because it seems like the era of increasing IPC and clock speeds is over. It seems that games finally start using HT and more than 4 cores so if you have an i3 or i5 and look for a budget upgrade there is literally nothing out there. Idc if Zen will be 5% behind Intel in terms of single threaded performance. Those extra 4 cores would still mean 20-30 fps more in newest games. AMD really has a chance here. Please change something.

Intel rereleases their 2015 CPUs in 2017 and they're still better than anything AMD makes, sad!

>>58304871
''there is no reason to buy the i7-6700K unless you can find it used at a significant discount. ''


FUCK INTEL

>>58306658
Hi Donald

>>58306658
>OBAMACARE IS A DISASTER

INTEL

ALWAYS

WINS

BABY

>>58305254

Sounds solid for a few years.

>>58306597
Ditch the cheapest budget solutions, just get the 5820k and call it a day.
No need to worry about not having enough cores in the future.
That one will last you until they start making CPUs out of something else than silicon.

tfw 2500k

My friend is building a new computer soon after ordering the parts from newegg and amazon. He bought a 6600k and Z170 board from amazon but he's gotta wait for the rest of his parts to come from newegg still. Is it worth it for him to return that shit and get 7600k and Z270? Probably not I'd imagine.

>>58305667

And embarrassment.
Jews did this.

>>58306904
What does Z270 even have over Z170?

>>58306904

What the hell is he going to do with the newer and most likely more expensive parts, that are EXACTLY on par with the previous gen?
Only thing that it has going on for itself is the 4k decoder stuff and Optane.

>>58306449
>>58306548
the temps are not great
https://youtu.be/VLxPjoY6QgE?t=5m51s

>>58307010
That's what I thought. Those things are sold out everywhere as well right now, no sense waiting for the ability to use optane that will be several times the price per gig of regular SSDs and most people won't notice the difference.

>>58306465
wasnt the difference from non k and k skylake something like 500-700mhz difference at base?

That, even if you don't oc is a fairly large number for sub 40$

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>>58307085

Besides you can get pretty damn good speeds right now from the NVMe drives.
Here's my 960 EVO vs Optane file transfer they demoed some time ago.
What I think happened was that Optane tured out to be far too costly to produce, so they took their time with it.
Then Samsung got on a massive roll with the speeds and now that Optane is finally coming out, it's nothing groundbreaking and will most likely flop, unless it brings something seriously impressive to the table.

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>>58304883
AMD BTFO

AMD FINISHED

CRY SOME MOAR AMD SHILLS

>Tick-Tock
Tock is almost always better

>PAO
Process is the same as Architecture and Optimization

Bravo Intel

>>58307293
Tic TAC tit toe

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>>58305667
>Intel finally runs out of steam
AMD save us

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>>58304871
so intel finally released a competitor for the 9590?
About time!

>>58307366
This was primarily a fabrication improvement release.

The CPUs are better designed to handle overclocking this release.

>>58306904
Are you retarded?

A 6600k is just a 7600k if you overlock it to the same frequencies.

One must be retarded to buy the more expensive CPU when you can get the same performance for way less money.

>>58307516
They literally cost the same. Intel never lower prices significantly when they release a new generation of CPUs.

>>58304871

Intel releases their next masterpiece
>Maxes out a 212 evo at base clocks
>loses in performance to a chip 2 generations older
>Just an overclocked chip from the previous generation
>Reviews all say to not buy it
>Zen outperforms $1000 chips

>intel fanboys still jizz at it's sight
>"lol, how can ayymd even compete?!?!!??!?!??!?!?"
>"AMD Housefires!"
>"Zen is DOA!!!1!!1!!111"
>"AMD IS DONE! STAY BUTTMAD!!1!!!!111!11!1"

Is this hell? Am I being tortured for something I don't know about?

>I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS.EXE

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>>58304871

HAHAHAHAHA

Intel is now the new meme: Intel Housefire!

>>58307554
No, they do not cost the same here.

And if, it means they just increased the price for the 6600K.

The i5-7600K costs around 17% more than the 6600K, and that is with the latter getting more expensive.

It had been once available at 235€ for a longer time.

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>>58305064
I wonder will netflix support Zen chips? If not i'm unsubbnig.

>>58307653
haha yes, if this keeps up, in 3 generations they'll also be releasing 5GHz chips.

>>58307737
>Intel specs claim 140w TDP
>overheats on a 212 evo
>212 has a 180w TDP
>mfw

The i5-5675C was the best CPU you can get for your money, if you wanted to upgrade from a significantly older CPU.

>>58307857
>i5-5675C
>not a 6600k or haswell on sale at microcenter with a motherboard

>>58307770
>intel and amd have a shit 2017
>stocks drop to 0
>go belly up
>every new computer in 2018 is a pi based single board
>Netfilx now only supports ARM and gnu+ linux
>What do?

>>58308029
>>58308029
all jokes aside, I feel like a legit cuck. because they are forcing people something they don't need.

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http://rog.asus.com/articles/maximus-motherboards/maximus-ix-series-redefines-the-limits-by-hitting-7383ghz-and-breaking-8-world-records/

>i7 7700K
>7328.3 MHz with all cores enabled
>Ryzen
>5000.0 MHz
>one core enabled
>unstable
>mfw

I'm on a i5 3570 and wanna upgrade because it starts to show its age in some games, especially open world.
best i7 to buy at this point or near future? I reckon the 3770k would be a waste of money, but that would also mean a motherboard change, any recommendations? wait for zen?

>>58308100
>absolute zero
>air cooling
You might be mentally deficient.

>>58308071
well 75% of people don't need a computer with x86 architecture since the most strenuous things they typically use are either their phones or a gaming console.

I'd honestly like to see a wider implementation of these low power single board chips to handle day to day tasks. All these nuc's and compute sticks are really just the first sign that the personal desktop PC is dying as a mainstay of the household. Soon it will just be another old persons hobby like auto modding or model making.

>>58308363
you are right but there will be no standards for such small computers, every manufacturer will spew out a shitload of proprietary devices updated like smartphones today, It's unneccessary, unecological and makes market fragmenet even more


pcs we know are standarized and you can change parts for whatever you like that lies within standard

>>58305217
Not yet.

>>58306995
1 more m.2 port and more pcie lanes I think.

>>58308482
is that a bad thing?

right now the market is stagnant due to having only two competitors and one of them not releasing any improvements for years. so we've had 1% upgrades and even downgrades.

compare that to consoles or phones. the market is full of tons of cheap shit and expensive shit, but they've made actual improvements over time.

as long as we have the standardized ports then we'll be fine, we already have the groundwork's of usb, hdmi, display port, etc.
so now we need actual uses for the performance that these are capable of.

>>58305667
JUST

>>58305032
>mfw 4770k is still relevant

>>58305119
Intel.

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>>58305032
>mfw 2500k is still relevant

>>58305667
Wait wait Skylake IS better? What the fuck Intel.

>>58306427
Agreed. I have an 8350 from AMD price wise back then it made sense. I don't know what my next upgrade will be but damn someone needs to compete with Intel a bit...

REBRAND!!!! REBRAND!!!! REBRAND!!!!

>>58304871
me and my 4670k are laughing

>>58307775
YES MORE GIHAHERTZ.
[spoiler]Fuck it's almost like Athlon64 times are back. [/spoiler]

>>58309620
What the fuck gookmoot why can't i spoiler in /g/.

So the only Kaby Lake processor worth getting is the i3-7350K for gaming on the cheap it seems.

>>58309639
because you're newfag /v/irgin piece of shit

>>58309665
Why? Zen exists.

>>58309596
>4670k
Have that as well for my computer which I use for games. Realistically how long should we be good for?
>>58309511
>2500k
Couldn't part with it and retired it in my dad's computer. 4.5ghz on air all day errday

>>58309674
Not right now.

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What does a i7 2600k @ 4.5 user like myself get from upgrading at this time? Is it even worth it? If not, when should I be looking to upgrade?

>>58309695
It's about to release. Kaby Lake is so hilarious though.

>>58308603
i am all for improvement but I really appreciate ecologic aspect - making shitton of "improvements" over "iterations" of devices is pointless and is only jewing out money

>>58307268
I REPEAT

ZERO
IPC
INCREASE

>>58309691
If the 2500k is still viable after this long then our 4670ks should be fine for a good while

>>58308326

you're in my boat, we might as well just get the best i7's we can get and in a year or two upgrade mobo platform/cpu once the smoke clears from amd's updates.

>>58309827
true enough. Mine oc's well too. At the moment I just keep it at stock with an undervolt. 1.075 iirc.

>>58309919
disregard. 1.195v @ 4.2ghz

worth upgrading from 6700k?

>>58309952

Definitely.

>>58305003
All it has to do is be just as fast and intel will be forced to lower prices.

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MAH NIGGAH

FUCK ME WHY THIS SHIT HAPPENING TO ME BRUH

DO I WAIT FOR Z270 AND KABY LAKE OR DO I BUY Z170 AND SKYLAKE 6700K

IM SO CONFUSED

WHEN CAN I BUY THE Z270 AND KABY LAKE ON NEWEGG

>>58310215
when you truly accept the fact that you're a complete cuck

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>>58309952
absolutely

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>Still on Core 2 desktop I bought used from a friend in 2010
>Slowly accumulating PC parts since 2016
>CPU / MOBO are literally the last parts I need
>Debating whether to go with 7700K or wait for Ryzen
I see Ryzen as the riskier option if I want my PC to be high-end for the next 6-8 years at least, due to all the future features Kaby Lake supports, but I don't want to support Intel's greed. We don't know if developers will start utilizing 8+ cores or if AMD's drivers will be better. But Intel looks like they're getting Apple Syndrome where they get so big and powerful that they stop having to innovate and start spending more on (((diversity))) than research & development.

>>58310368
You don't need a 7700k, just get a 6700k, it'll do you good for a long time.

And if not, just get Ryzen. It's fun to be risky.

>>58305079
Jjj

AMD WINS AGAIN

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>>58305667
At least the 7700 will devalue the 6700

>>58310368
just wait on AMD benchmarks and make a decision accordingly.

>>58310431
lol
intel knows how to stock, that doesn't happen

>>58310368
You've waited this long man, just give it a few more months

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>>58310431
>they don't have them shipped in manageable amounts and haven't been planning for this for months now

Skylake will disappear and Kabylake will take it's place with almost no difference in price.

Zen is the only thing that MAY change the pricing

>>58310431

Looking at Amazon, 5820k 419$ 6800k 414$ Those two are nearly identical in performance.
Intel doesn't devalue their products.
The prices actually seem to go up on the older hardware.
Probably to discourage people from buying them instead of the new stuff.

>>58310431
Fuck off back to >>>/mlp/, you fucking degenerate piece of fucking shit.

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>>58310553
It takes an mlp fag to know one.

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>>58304871
R E B R A N D E D 6700K

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>>58310368
Go with Zen (I refuse to call it RYZen. By the way, what's the letter that comes after X? Y. Polaris was RX. Zen is RY/ R with Y&Z.)

It'll be cheaper to go with a Zen processor, and the motherboard will probably be cheaper too, and the way things are heading for the next 3 years at least, the focus will be on more cores as evident by the ipc "breakthrough" that is Kabylake.

But in the end, it's all up to pricing and performance.

>>58310412
>>58310652
>get Ryzen

Wait the tests...

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>>58310670
That's why I said "in the end, it's all up to pricing and performance."

>>58304871
Dear god didn't think intel couldn't get more Jewish after haswell.

WHEN'S THE KABY LAKE COMING OUT?

I WANT TO FUCKING BUILD A RIG NOW!

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>>58310722

>Waiting for a 0% performance increase so you get to pay more for the newer product.

>>58305268
2017 - the year intel killed the desktop

>>58310552
$389 on newegg, same price as it's been forever. Amazon only has a third party selling 5820k right now.

>>58305530

Kaby Lake has a number of improvements with intergrated GPU. Namely with streaming video content. Kaby Lake was meant for OEMs not for silly gayming and enthusiast.

>>58307366

Sorry bro, but the laws of physics have caught up.

It actually has been over since 2010 (32 to 22nm process)

>>58310816
That's the only improvement to the gpu. They just added some shitty cancerous drm to help out their fellow tribal members. KL clocks higher for people that are too scared to do it manually. That's the only improvement, and I would tell someone else to buy KL instead of SL just for this reason alone.

>>58310868
There's still room for improvements. But you can definitely see the end from here. I have my cardboard and marker ready to make a 'the end is near' sign.

>>58307188
don't forget, hynix (I believe these is the people) have a process for 3d stacking that exceeded samsung by a good margin on paper, and they recently got pissed as fuck at their partner for dragging their dick on releasing drives using it, so they opened the doors for anyone who wants to use it can, a non exclusive license. ssd prices are set to tank and space bloat the fuck out within the next 2 years.

What optane needs it to sustain read and write, none of the 100-400mb burst and then down to 100mb read and write I see a lot of, It alos needs a scaleable future and either be that damn good or that damn cheap other wise why bother for anything not mission critical.

>>58305217
you need to get a 7700k or else youre not a good goyim

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>>58304871

Gee, another wow it's fucking nothing 14 nm CPU gen?

10nm when?

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>>58309481
Seriously, the only exciting things are the chipset features in newer cpus

>>58310868
we honestly don't know, as intel has not really had a reason to compete, if amd is up there, we will see if its really they have no where to go, or if they were off in the corner playing with their dicks.

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It's literally the same thing as Devil Canyon on Haswell.

It's literally the exact same chips as Skylake with higher clock speeds, I don't know why you guys are acting like Kaby Lake was supposed to be the second coming of Jesus and failed.
Anyone who was paying attention to what Intel has been doing should not have been surprised at all with the performance since Tick Tock died.

>>58307795
wat. it overheats on a fucking 212?

>>58309706
Jack
and
Shit


Depends how zen turns out, if poorly, another year at least most likely.

>>58311083
apparently they used a really shitty TIM this time, there was an article but i forget what site

kaby lake is a scam if you buy it your're a sucker end of story

>>58311109
Well that was just bound to happen since after.. was it ivy bridge?

>>58308326
wait for zen, see if good.

If poor, get the 3770 or see if you can find a 4000 i7 + mb + ram for cheap because the person is getting either a zen or an intel and needs all new ram anyway.

>>58305696
128mb l4 edram... they only use that on NUCs now.

>>58311130
Not if you're building a new system

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>2015
Release skylake chips

>2017
Release what appears to be the same thing with some 4K memery and like 200MHz more base clock

People are actually getting paid for this sort of "performance" gain.

>>58309511
This is why im thinking that if amd's 500$ higher binned variant is good, Its worth looking at, I mean really what is going to happen in computers in the next lets say 5 years that is going to push 8 cores to its max and come up wanting?

rendering video is about the only one I can think of that will demand more and more in an insatiable need to render faster, but other then that I got fuckin nothing.

If I can get 8 cores and its a good value, fuck yes I'm at least going to consider it and not go the cheaper one.

for current games it needs to be i5 level, as future games are moving to apis that take advantage of threading and cores, so ill only have a small time frame of possibly sub 100fps games.

Welp, looks like I'm gonna buy that used 6700k I was watching for a while now to replace my i5-3350P.
Shit, why doesn't intel make unlocked CPU without iGPU and sell it for less? Who the fuck is gonna buy an overclockable i7 and use the pathetic iGPU anyway?

>>58309691
If you dont needs 144fps, then probably for a good 2-3 years, vulcan and dx12 will use more cores, so there is a chance devs start to use them and fuck over the lesser core cpus.

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>>58311172
Not to mention Zen is nothing but AMD playing catchup to Intel, and isn't really that exciting outside of that.
Plus AMD has literally nothing up their sleeve after Zen since Jim Keller left them after taping out the fabs.
AMD will ride Zen all the way back into obsurity in a few years :(

>>58311192
>why doesn't intel make unlocked CPU without iGPU and sell it for less?
Why would intel sell anything for less?

>>58309706
from intel... about 20-30% performance uptick at same clock speed in certain applications, with a bare minimum of 15% across the board improvement, some VERY specific applications may see a 100% improvement, such as video rendering.

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>>58309511
I've been bringing up my 2500K on /g/ for the past couple months and I've gotten the same responses. This process, overclocked or not, is fucking ancient and it's really not cutting it anymore. I bought a new videocard and I was complaining about the lack of satisfactory framerates and as it turns out, the 2500K is holding everything back. Yesterday I even asked wasn't the 2500K supposed to last a long time and some anon reminded me that it has been 6 years since it was released. It's giving out bros.

>>58311245
You're just too dumb to use a calculator, thincat.

>>58304871
I'm still using an i3-4160.
Is it finally time to upgrade?

>>58311245
>it turns out, the 2500K is holding everything back

Bullshit, unless you're sporting a high refresh rate monitor or sub 1080p resolutions, a 2500k won't bottleneck any GPU.

>>58310368
well, on motherboard/cpu alone, drivers dont matter.

kaby supports more?
All kaby lake has is drm. sure it may be allow more things to be played, but that's it.

zen on the other hand is offering up 8 cores, even if devs do not use it (we are talking games here) you will still benefit due to overhead, as in shit can happen in the background while you sit there looking that X program just demanded 100% of 4 cores for an hour and you still be playing games not caring, something you cant do on a 4 core.

That 8 core headroom will serve you better then intels lineup currently, and when intel puts out their 6 core cpu it will likely demand a new motherboard anyway, while zen+ looks like it could still use the same socket, so potential upgrade and sell the old cpu if that becomes an option.

>>58310553
how was that mlp?

>>58311192
The real question is why intel doesn't make a kaby lake with 128mb l4 cache like the 5775c?

It performs great in some tasks for a 3.3GHz quad core with just 65W.

>>58311209
jim set them with a plan through zen+

>>58311366

Just a generic insult, I guess. As a long time /mlp/ lurker I think these are kind of unfair. There are way dumber boards out there.

>>58311302
depending on the game, the 2500k will hold the gpu back 20-30% of the max frame rate, while other games it will be 15% or less.

Intel has made some progress over the years, but largely, the 2500k is playable for 60fps no questions, but higher then it... not so much anymore.

>>58311454
mlp has sever autism, but its not retarded... on just a retard level, /g/ intel, amd, nvidia and headphone threads have it beat. At least mlp is usually self aware of what they are doing.


That said, Had more meaningful conversations about games and technology on /b/ then I ever did on /v/ or /g/

>>58311462
>>58311245
fuck off and check the anandtech review you goyim

there literally fuck all difference between the 2600k stock and the 7700k stock unless you use some amd gfx card which apparently doesnt like the 2600k

ALL THIS TALK AND NO ONE MENTIONS A FUCKING DATE THAT I CAN BUY IT ON

WTF ARE YOU CUNTS TALKING ABOUT THEN
SHUT UP

>>58311302
My 2500K runs at 4.5ghz and my games at a modest 1280x720. GTA5 fails to keep 60fps in certain situations and Dying Light runs way worse going into 35fps. GTA5 is maxed out but advanced settings are off. Dying Light is on high but zero draw distance (literally) and Gameworks stuff off. I have absolutely no reason to lie or mislead anyone because I don't want to part with my 2500K but it's just not cutting it anymore.

>waaah it's just your computer bro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkNGrj2x4Xk

I see that other people have pretty much the same subpar results except my resolution and settings are even lower than that. Now fuck off it isn't 2011.

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>>58311408

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Does Kaby Lake overclock better than Sky Lake or is it the same?

>>58311503
>mlp has sever autism

I really don't think it's worse than around here.
People will go into long fits of autistic rage over obvious shitposting / irony.

>inb4 you just described 4chan

/g/ is even easier to troll than /k/.

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>>58311562
Rumor has it first available date will be like January 19th

If this is true, good luck getting one until mid February
>flashbacks of polaris
Or even later.

>>58311619

Ok fuck it buying the 6700k

Am i fucking up bad?

>>58311576
literally your pc is fucked in some other way

anandtechs review showed no difference.

>>58311346
>zen+ looks like it could us AM4
>current chipset is lacking a lot of things like quad channel memory and support for thunderbolt 3
>implying they aren't going to need MOAR PINS in the next generation
lol you're fucking delusional bub.
The issue here is Zen has literally been years in the making so it's far to late to make these kinds of changes natively for the current chipset.
I do, however, expect the chipset zen+ brings to last a good long while as AMD has a pretty good track record of minimizing chipset counts and changes.

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>>58304871
>https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7-7700K_vs_6700K_Game_Performance/
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
so this is the power of Intel

>>58311603
People are getting to 5ghz no problem

>>58311656
Really? How much voltage are they running to get that clockrate? I run 4.7GHz on my 6700k with 1.350v.

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>>58311625
In my eyes, yes.

I'm not big on Intel, but there is no denying the performance is there, at least for vidya. That being said, I had considered a 6700k BRIEFLY, and then Kabylake happened. I would have respected them more if they had just not released a processor line up this year. So I'm Not touching Intel until at least 2020 unless I buy a laptop within the next 6 months.

Zen is just catchup for AMD Which im willing to buy into and would love if Zen+ was also AM4 so i could upgrade. This is all assuming that Zen isn't trash, which it doesn't appear to be, but we wont truly know until Benches come out of the final product upon release.

>>58311625
No, there is literally no difference.

>>58311696
Jayztwocents is running around 1.3v on his system

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who /4690k/ here

>>58309706
no, and wait until 2018/2019

>>58311520
I look at real world benchmarks and digital foundry already did a what was it 10ish game spread that showed some take advantage of newer cpus some don't, but the general uptick is around 15%

and its fanboy to say there is a 15% uptick minimum over what is it, 4 or 5 generations... its fucking pathetic honestly.

Also look at render benchmarks and see newer i7's get taken advantage of in the turn of doubling your performance depending on load.

at least know your fucking shit before you post.

>>58311245
what is your gpu?

>>58311632
then post a link to it

>>58311769
At least that guy's 970 or greater, doesn't matter.

>>58311790
its in the fuckin OP you dimwitted fool.

>>58311756
why would i give a shit about render time?, we were talking games only.

>>58305667
SO this...is the power.. of intel...

>>58311646
Does it need quad channel?
serious question, what is ram bottlenecked besides fallout 4 on a current pc that would be using consumer hardware and not an opteron/xeon?

What uses thunderbolt 3?
The best I can see is that it provides 100 wats of power, 40gbps... and thats it.

a display? we have display prots on our cases,
power a device? we are next to a wall with a power strip
data? not sure if you know this, but we can plug shit into the computer, and have access to pcie if we need it, not to mention nvme or nvmp over pcie if the motherboard doesn't support m.2

literally can't think of a single use, other than paying more licensing fees for something I would never use.

and seeing as am2 had a 5 year spread, am2+ had a nearly 10 year spread 3+ had a nearly 10 year spread and 3 had a 4-5 year spread, yea, looks like zen+ will likely be on the same socket.

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WOW really..... what a fucking con fuck intel

>>58311954
unless you only game on a computer, everything is relevant.

and if we are talking just games, how about the lovely fallout 4 that is ram bottlenecked.

Will Cannon Lake deliver?

>>58311245
OP being completely right but shitters
>>58311520
>>58311302
playing only visual novel insulting him for no reason i own i5 2500k 4.3ghz and it bottleneck my heavy oced gtx 1060 since release, i couldn't play stable dxmd, rottr, jc3, bf1, forza horizon 3, xcom2, fallout4,w3 ( last 2 rarely but still)+ many more, stutters and fps drops to as low as 30-40 all the fucking time. I5 2500k is ancient now but saddest part new intel i5 are also underpowered and won't be able to handle new games. So yeah i5 should have hyperthreating long time ago but they are greedy motherfuckers and amd was doing literally nothing to compete with intel till now. We will see how zen will perform and how would it affect intel cpus.

Literally only 4 games this year worked well on my i5: Doom, Overwatch, Gears of War 4, Escape from Tarkov rest was total dogshit.
And even those have issues: with lower end cards (doom unplayable with 7850), want oc card to maintain higher fps/ultra setting? they play with bugged one colored tilt on your screen (overwatch), or stutter a lot (gow4+tarkov).

I want to buy Kaby Lake, but Ryzen is already in the horizon (pun intended). I should wait for a test right?

>>58312170
>console cuck

ok, so thats what you are

back to your mobile and console games you go

>>58312210
>I should wait for a test right?
No, you should just buy Intel

>>58311954
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ_5p9wd2dk

>>58312225
are you retarded or just pretending?

>>58312182
Saw that list of games I can't comment on all of them but BF1 ran like shit for a lot of people even 6700k

>>58312182
Thank you for backing me up with real experiences instead of just "b-but anandtech said so!!!"

>>58312182
I don't play many games but I get 99% on all my cores in Cities:Skyline. I feel my 480 could do more than my 6600k at 4.6 can do. The 4 core days are over, I wish I saved a bit more for a 5820k or whatever.

I just noticed Kaby Lake's launch price for 7700k is $339, cheaper than Skylake's $350

Kek

would I be insane to get a 7700 for a mitx build?

>>58312305
would it be better to buy the 7700k over 6700k then? some people are saying its worse performance

>>58304871
THANK YOU BASED INTEL

>>58312305
I'm still on the fence. I am this one >>58312210. Been holding out since the summer of 2016.

>>58312305
You dont remember when Skylake was $380+ from retailers? I remember it topping out at $400. Consumers ate that shit for months after launch, friendo.

>Intel makes shittier and shittier improvements
>AMD has been developing Zen the whole time
>everyone sees intels bullshit, Zen sells like hotcakes

Is this their master plan?

>>58312559
>Intel makes shittier and shittier improvements
>Ryzen only competes with two generations old Intel CPU in actual performance while everyone is throwing fits about MUH CORES
>Zen sells to typical AMD buyers as well as some adventurous types hoping for some fresh air compared to Intel stagnation

That is their master plan.

>>58305019
DON'T FORGET IT'S WINDOWS 10 ONLY

>>58312559
It makes sense, it has to be. I wonder if they knew Intel would get greedy and stop making IPC improvements while still releasing new CPUs at the same price and not reducing the cost of older CPUs.

The number of people still running the 2500k/2600k with an OC to this day is pretty huge, and those people are in need of upgrades. Intel not making significant enough improvements has stopped these people from shelling out cash as it just wouldn't be worthwhile.

On top of that, using 8-core CPUs in the consoles has forced devs to develop for multi-core systems, and now them releasing a powerful 8-core with multithreading is going to show actual gains in games over fewer equally powerful cores. They have been Palpatining this shit for 4+ years.

>>58312670
wut?

why

>>58312643
>Ryzen only competes with two generations old Intel CPU in actual performance
You say that like it's a bad thing but it's like a 3% difference from their current generation CPU.

>>58312685
Not enough people are buying/switching over to Windows 10.

>>58312559
the amd master plan video adoredtv made is probably pretty close to the mark

http://ark.intel.com/products/97527/Intel-Core-i3-7350K-Processor-4M-Cache-4_20-GHz
>7350k
>2c/4t 4.2GHz OCable
>$180
Yeah, no.

http://ark.intel.com/products/97460/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4620-3M-Cache-3_70-GHz
>G4620
>2c/4t 3.7 Ghz
>$93
Nah.

http://ark.intel.com/products/97453/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4600-3M-Cache-3_60-GHz
>G4600
>2c/4t 3.6 Ghz
>$82
Meh.

http://ark.intel.com/products/97143/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4560-3M-Cache-3_50-GHz
>G4560
>2c/4t 3.5 Ghz
>$64
Nice price/perf candidate there

Sorry to go a little off topic, but I've got an i7 6700k and my OBS performance is awful. Does anybody know what settings I should tweak, my in-game performance is always good during capture but the file output is always trash.

My GPU is a 780ti btw.

>>58314270
try /sqt/

>>58311209
>Plus AMD has literally nothing up their sleeve after Zen since Jim Keller left them after taping out the fabs.
The base design is done in <2 yrs of the 4-5yr design lifecycle. The rest is spinning early prototypes and making adjustments, which take several months at a time.

Keller probably already worked on a Zen 2.0 design before leaving

>>58312319
No, but at least wait for Zen. Might save yourself some money

>>58312289
Know of any C:S benchmarks?

>>58312182
Sounds like some autism here. Some games just aren't designed to run at 60FPS.

BF1 should definitely get 60FPS. Perhaps reinstall windows or drivers or something.

>>58312171
I forget, either Cannon Lake or Coffee Lake will have six core consumer i7s. That gen will definitely be a winner.

>>58314146
Have to see the benchmarks, but yup, or maybe a cheap i5

>>58314419
And intel probably has like 200 Jim Keller Schmoeburgs with 170+ IQ's pumping out IP non-stop.

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>>58307268

>>58307179
6600 to 6600K is exactly same clock speeds unless you're hitting power limits, which is uncommon. 6700 to 6700K is 2-300MHz difference.

Putting together my first build this year with the intent of overclocking at 4K. It seems like I might be part of a niche audience that the 7700K might fit better than a 6700K and Z170 board. If not, why should I just buy a Skylake or even wait for Ryzen?

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>post yfw when Core i7 7700K has worse single thread performance than Core i7 from 2013

source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy1M0jkRWWk

>>58315431
wait for AMD, then look again

fucking RAM got so expensive :@

>>58304871

>Core i7 7700K doesn't acutally exists, they just gave a few overclocked 6700s out for reviews
>muh 1% increase
>better buy a 6700 then and wait for ryzen
>intel cpu sales increases 300% without actually releasing shit
>amd never releases ryzen
>more 6700s sold

please tell me why I shouldn't believe that both intel and amd are laughing at us cucks

>>58315471
It doesn't, IPC is the same as Skylake

seriously, what's the point upgrading to kaby lake if you have skylake ?
Core i5-7600K Core i7-6700K
Kaby Lake Skylake
LGA1151 LGA1151
4/4 4/8
3.8-4.2 4.0-4.2
DDR4-2400 DDR4-2133
Intel HD 630 Intel HD 530
6MB 8MB
14nm 14nm
91W 91W
intel went full jew mode ?

>>58315710
They've been running on Jew mode since sandy bridge. With incremental 5-10% ipc gain and slowing down to 0% IPC right now.

But you'd be right in saying they went "FULL" Jew mode with Kabylake. Chances are Coffeelake is same refresh of skylake+bit of refinement from Cannonlake expect maybe 1-2% IPC. Cannonlake might not make it or they will be delayed.

>>58315710
Jew mode: Engaged

Not worth it. Just overclock Skylake. 14 nm is at the end of life. It's 2014 technology. Intel is just farming as much shekels as possible.

2017 will be a great time for technology. It's, just like technology in general, is rapidly growing. Lots of interesting things to look forward to.

10 nm is releasing this year. No point in cucking yourself this early.

well since kaby lake is total bullshit and can't even outperform sky lake, does this mean that skylake prices will fall?

>>58311733
Me, I'm starting to hit limits with it though. GTA 5 on mostly maxed settings sets all my cores to 95%+ in the city. I have it clocked to 4.3 Ghz. I'm scared of how the witcher 3 will perform. The GPU is a r9 290.

Thinking about a major upgrade of CPU/GPU, I like AMD's business practices a lot more but they haven't released a card that can compete with the 1080 yet, where the hell is the 490?

>>58312670
This is a fucking joke right?

>>58315710
Nobody is forcing you to buy a new cpu every year, faggot. Kaby lake is just skylake with better igpu for laptops.

>>58315598
>fucking RAM got so expensive
Tell me about it. I've been thinking about upgrading my CPU and these RAM prices are killing me. Are the only 2 companies making RAM colluding again?

i am about to buy i5 6600K, should I wait 2 days for the new chip to be released? Thank you

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>Process
>Architecture
>Fucking Nothing

in before Intel gimps their next Architecture phase just so they have something to add for the following Optimisation.

>still no reason to upgrade from i7 6700k

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>58316480
>i7 4790k*

ftfy

>>58315869

What will be the difference with 10mn?
Will it be way more powerful than 14mn processors?
Will I need an entirely new computer and parts to use it? Like atx wont be the standard anymore

>>58316498
fuck, even a 4770k if you can get it for more than $30 cheaper than a 4790k

>>58316480

i5-2400

>>58307368
>
april fools day isnt even close

>things I could never afford are shit
Mixed feelings.

>>58309525
>what is margin of error

>>58316281

No, wait for Zen instead, maybe it will be decent enough to compete with Intel this time, so the prices will drop.

>>58316697

Nothing indicates it will be "more powerful"

Don't expect more than 5-10% IPC increase if their architecture is the same

Only the consumption will drop (which is what Incel aims for)

>>58316156
microsoft won't support anything new on windows 7, so some aspects of the cpu won't be fully taken advantage of much like intels kabylake,

Not saying it will not run on windows 7, but run 100% the way it should.

>>58314419
keller gave them a roadmap through zen+ when he left.

>

>>58316203
what was the price of ram down to because 16gb for 100$ seams about normal to me.

>>58317319

>>58316697
the difference with 10nm would be a 40% reduction in chip size at the same if not higher cost so increased profits.

I have a 4770k

Should I upgrade?

I wonder if Intel are now totally done with 14nm or if they'll try to squeeze another generation of HEDT into it?

Skylake-E late 2017? What a fucking joke.

>>58317325
It was $75 when I bought 16 gigs in 2015, I was expecting prices to be lower, fuck me I guess.

>>58317271
I knew it was only a matter of time until they jewed me into Windows 10.

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>>58304871
anyone have reviews that shows temperature between 7700k and 6770k? its seems to be missing in every reviews i read.

>>58305732
i gagged audibly

>>58304871
So what kind of emulation is possible with this?

>>58304871
how about stop being a mainstreamcuck and upgrade to a real man's socket. good lord, there are sub-$100 ivy bridge-e parts from five years ago that outperform this garbage, at least in any properly-threaded program (gaymen need not apply)

>>58311619
>>58311625
Got one prime same day shipped already out for delivery. They are out now

AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

>>58317741

AYY LMAO INCEL IS WRECKING THE PLACE

>lovely processor

Official: It won't support Windows 7.

4790K

Lakes have NSA backdoors, real upgrades will be on Coffee and Tiger

Also upgrade to 4K SVP faggots, it's worth it UHD HDR

Serious question here, what makes a single core "faster"? and why it's not the Ghz?

>>58318015

Two CPUs with different architectures and the same clock speed won't have the same performances per core because of : the architecture and all that comes with it, the IPC and other parameters.


Nowadays the only way to have "faster" cores would be to increase their size, but Incel and Ayylmaos actually want to increase the number of cores, which is pretty much useless as only a few programs can use more than 4 cores at once.

>>58318133
What's so bad about bigger die sizes?

>>58318169


They're already pretty big, and with the addition of iGPUs it's getting worse.

>>58318185
But why does size matter? Is it a heat thing?

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>>58318203

You're new right ?

>>58318169
The bigger the die, the more expensive it tends to be. Generally speaking, large dies will mean worse yields overall for the manufacturer because the chances of getting a defect in the die increase dramatically as the surface area increases. This just trickles down to more cost to the consumer.

I hate that all you can do to know is wait for reviews

>buy intel
>get fucked by zen
>wait for zen
>it's shit, you wasted all your summer free time with your old shit computer

>>58318283

>summer free time

Hi Australia, why not waging war against the Emus once again ?

>>58318283
>summer in january
I can't even fathom how retarded it must feel to live in the southern hemisphere.

>>58304947
What if apple bought intel?

Guys should I change my old I5-760?

>>58318203
the bigger the die the less cpus per die, dies themselves cost something like 25-50 grand a pop, and a certain % of the dies on the thing are fucked from the get go,

smaller the chip the lower the price the higher the yield.

Intel has not dropped price in the last 3-4 shrinks though.

>>58318973
>the bigger the die the less cpus per die
I assume you mean wafer but otherwise thanks, I understand your explanation.

>>58304947
That would be Nvidia
>pay up motherfucker
>what? freesync? GPUOpen? no you can't use that goy
>who needs async anyway? you'll want it when we tell you to

Intel is the Microsoft of hardware
>we're everywhere kid just put up with our shit
>of course you wouldn't want to subject yourself to the alternative
>it's not too expensive buddy. we price gouge businesses not people.
>just keep fidelity the ball rolling will ya?

>>58304871
I have a g4400 was planning to upgrade
Do you think is better to take now a used i5/7 skylake or wait for cannonlake?

The pentium is fine but often in demanding games skips some frame wich is annoying

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>>58304871
>2017
>falling for the inteljew meme

>>58305161
I OC it on the first day. Set and forget.

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>>58317513
anyone?

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>>58312643

It's a significant improvement over their last generation and at a significantly lower TDP and price compared to their competition.

The game is afoot, Ryzen will show an artificial improvement to GPU performance compared to their last generation due to true PCIe 3.0 and DDR4 support. Hyperthreading and auto OC will also make it look like a beast tearing through modern titles, probably giving it comprable perfomance compared to a natural quad-core.
And the low-end model will more than likely be a dirt-cheap quad core with hyperthreading, that will chew through games and day-day tasks in direct competition to the i5 and possibly giving similar performance to a i7 of older generations.

This was a long drawn-out plan, and I hope it turns out well.

>>58320176
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLxPjoY6QgE
the guy blames the temps on his mobo, but I'm pretty sure that if you have manually have to undervolt the cpu to not bake your pc then your chip is fucked.

>>58320238
>hyperthreading
u mean SMT

>>58320299
it does the same thing in this case.

>>58315869
>10 nm is releasing this year
Don't let the Intel count your basket before your CPUs are hatched.

>>58320332
hyperthreading is intel's copyright name

>>58320176
I read one yesterday from "Tech-something" that showed the KL cooler. But it had the SL chip at 80- something on load when the KL was like 77ish. I have a SL OCd to 4.6 on air and it never gets over 65ish, so I know that review was bullshit.

>>58304889
Jews>pooinloos

>>58305478
Yet you amd autists shill amd non stop except when shit comes our and fail, then you are in silence