So when will it come out?

when you make your own tech site and say it will come out next year

I am an AMD fanboy. I'm about to just say fuck AMD and completely switch to Intel and drop a grand on a chip just to support them and make a point and become an Intel fanboy.

If AMD doesn't want to sell their fucking hardware then fuck them. Keep your shit AMD. If you don't want to make a profit then I want to help y'all out and not give you my money. We're all happy.

>>58301871
only official word from AMD is Q1 2017, so late march at worst assuming no further delays.

some microcenter rep has said jan 19, which would be pretty awesome.

>>58301871
I like how they straight up lied about the clockspeed, we all know that 3.4 base on all cores is imposible with how shitty GloFo is, and the ES benchmarks being run at 300MHz less just prove it.

Get ready for disappointment, becasue that's all Zen is

soon(tm)

>>58301981
Cute shitpost, kid.

>>58302010
Sorry, I don't acknowledge what tech illeterate morons like yourself spew out, I know my way around silicon unlike a child like yourself

>>58301945
I doubt we'll see wide availability in like 2 weeks considering how very little we know at this time. Actually being to buy shit at MSRP is more plausible in Feb or March.

>>58302052
>Engineering samples are the same as retail
You're just digging the hole deeper, moron.

>>58301871

About 3 years after its price/performance was something to be excited about. Something around Q1 2017.

>>58301945
it was never delayed though
rumor mill been running for 4 years, if you count that as "delayed", then sure it was delayed

What's a realistic price going to be for this?
I plan on building a pc next month, will this thing be the same price or lower than the intel 6700k 4.0gz?

>>58302129

$400

>>58302129

This is the big question.

Also, will the production version be as fast as promissed (no way).

>>58302129
push for gayming means it will compete price wise with i7s

I really want ahtlon64 -2 when they sold it for 300 while intel was trying to sell same performance for $1k

>>58302129
if the tech demo is true, they will attack the 6900 and 6700 and sell the weaker ryzen on 6700 price and the faster one at 1/2 6900 price

would be a nice marketing plan since the processor got serious advantages in streaming and the twitch figureheads will do the advertisement. but amd will somehow manage to fuck everything up i guess

>>58302114
>he thinks theey aren't

I guess retail SKUs are made by the circuit fairies copulating.

>>58302147
>>58302151
>>58302152
>>58302189

Thanks

>>58302052
Its so adorable how you show up and post the same bullshit in every thread. You can't hide the fact that you're a little autist straight from /v/.

>>58302201
do you know how engineering sample work?
engineering key word here, look it up

>>58302201
You know, for someone that claims they "know their way around silicon" you sure do sound pretty clueless.

>>58301871
Expect full details in 3 days, will full release on the 19th.

>>58301981
>le ES = all retail samples maymay
:^)

>>58301871
>3.4GHZ with watercooling
>3.1 with air

>>58302129
$600-$850 + Tax depending on flavor.

>>58302383
Exactly what I'm expecting, every leak so far in the last 6 months has been around 3.1GHz base contrarty to what AMD said.

>>58302383
3.4ghz base clock
on all 8 cores
inside of 95w
with higher turbo
and XFR on top of that

Shitpost more, kid.

>>58302418
Adorable. There have been no "leaks" there have been progressively ramping up engineering samples. The latest of which was 3.2ghz base with 3.5ghz boost, and that was months ago.
/v/ kiddies need to stay in their designated nintenyearold board.

>>58302189
Why do you idiots think AMD will deeply discount their chip if it competes with Intel's chips? They're out to make a profit. If the chips are as good as you fags hope they are then there's no way the 8c/16t chip will be under $800.

>>58302428
>3.4ghz base clock
>on all 8 cores

But not simultaneously.

>inside of 95w
in sleep mode

>with higher turbo
3.401Ghz

Salty much that it's known how badly it will flop.

>>58301921
don't be a fanboy. be a reasonable person who recognises the dangers of a consumer CPU monopolised market

>>58302520
8 years of jewing sure made you into fine cattle to do whatever corporation wants you to

>>58302520
They will try to slip into the gap in price between the 6850k and 6900k *if* the performance is up to par.

>>58302532
if you are going to shitpost at least think of something more believable, this is just nonsense blabbering

>>58302147
What's the most you'd pay for Ryzen? I don't think i'd look twice at it if it came out anywhere over $500, even over $400 would be pushing it,

>>58302557
Search your feelings you know it to be true.

>>58302532
>>58302564
>instead of listening to the people that made the chip, listen to me spew bullshit!
:^)

>>58302557
Thats the level of discourse you get from /v/ spillover.
Just report him. Shitposting is against the rules after all.

>>58302560
>What's the most you'd pay for Ryzen?
Based on the latest leak probably about that $400 mark.

>>58302560
Intel is selling their 8 core flavored at 1k, be realistic senpai

>>58302567
Listening to marketing. That's shil levels of fanboi

>>58302560
400-450 my limit, it's just not worth it otherwise to go from 2600 to it
things look promising so far, would also depend on mothatboard prices
if it's somewhere around lga2011 boards price - its a big NO
I may as well wait when my 2600 blows

>>58301871
is amd any good for linux? i always avoid them because i want to get back into linux and i remember in 2006 their linux support was pretty bad. has it gotten better since then? does flash work without lagging now?

>>58302546

too late

it's already monopolized sort of by gorillions of patents etc

>>58302546
Monopolization is not any worse than the system we have now with a significantly asymmetric duopoly. Whatever AMD do next Intel can counter unless AMD come out with a groundbreaking rather than incremental change and that's not going to happen with the installed software base for the x86 derived hardware.

>>58302622
>Monopolization is not any worse than the system we have now with a significantly asymmetric duopoly

yes it is

>>58302669
Someone failed economics 101.

>>58301871
>amd

another massive disappointment. sad!

>>58302683
how is it not better that there is at least the threat of a competitor?

>>58301871
how is amd even still around?

>>58302701
It isn't better, it's just not worse, AMD pose as much a potencial threat to Intel as Casio, ViA or McDonald's do, bugger all percent of zero.

>>58302740
ryzen is a product meant to challenge intel's products. casio and mcdonald's are not in the market of consumer CPUs. don't be ridiculous

>It isn't better, it's just not worse

uh

>>58302520
In the Athlon 64 days they sold their equally fast to Intel's TOTL $1000 chip at 500, the slightly faster chip at 1000 at their fastest chip at 1200
AMD is in a quite worse position than back then, we can expect great prices in any scenario

>>58302811
This is some pretty laughable revisionism.
AMD was selling a FASTER than the competition special halo SKU for a premium of $800. The FX-53 was the first socket 939 part, and it was not mainstream. It was enthusiast tier, sold in limited numbers, and it was the fastest thing on the market at the time.

Non FX Athlon64s were cheaper, and offered nearly the same performance.

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>>58302955
And at the time the P4 3.2ghz Extreme Edition was selling for $900. The 3.4ghz top end SKU was even more expensive, and it was slower than the the Athlon64 3500+

>>58301921
100 degrees has been deposited into your 7700k

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Can't wait for AYYYYMD /v/ poojeets to get BTFO yet again.

>58303072
this
it's like watching an abusive relationship develop over the years

>>58302758
>ryzen is a product meant to challenge intel's products

Hahahahahahahahha.
Thanks we all need a good laugh.

>>58303072
5 yuan have been deposited into your ChinaBank account, Chanming.

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>>58302520
this

>>58301921
Calm down you autistic sperglord. The first chips are rolling out late this month.

>>58302710
consoles

>>58301871
Ryzen is great and all, but I'm starving for the MCM SKUs for a new workstation build.

Right now, a 16c BW-E goes for $1700 (2.1 GHz 2683v4) to $2900 (2.6 GHz 2697Av4), which is just insane price scaling.

>>58302201
I bet you carry in condition fabric too, ey buddy?

>>58303633
The top end Broadwell-E is only 10 cores. It is a 10 core 20 thread CPU for $1700~
If you want moar coars you're talking about a Xeon.

>>58302052
multiple people with access to actual zen chips have claimed they can go up to 4.4ghz across all cores.

and of course the frenchfags claimed 5ghz but that's probably bullshit.

in addition, those chips were ran on validation boards. not the expensive shit with 12 phase VRMs that people actually OC on.

What is more cores used for exactly?
What will a 8 core AMD card do that a 4 core intel wont?

>>58303741
CanardPC openly stated they got 5ghz on one core. They stated that the VRM on their test board was too weak to handle more cores being active at those clocks.

It shows that the arch doesn't have any stability issues at higher clocks. Overclocking Ryzen will be power limited.

>>58303709
sorry famalam, mean BW-EP, i.e., the E5-26XXv4 series.

Broadwell-E does cap out at 10 instead of only 8 for the E5-16XXv4 series, but I'd rather have both a few more core, plus ECC, and not get royally fucked in the wallet in the process.

>>58303786
Thanks for your fact that you have based on rumors and options. You have been very helpful to this thread.

>>58303762
>What is more cores used for exactly?
more computing, parallel or concurrent. there are still (and always will be) workloads that can't be distributed well but that's becoming less and less of a problem over time.

>What will a 8 core AMD card do that a 4 core intel wont?
a buttload of shit.

new graphics APIs benefit more from better async compute. even Piledriver is doing well in those games and it's 4 years old.

even for the old games with shit engines, there's an advantage. you might get slightly lower FPS but it'll tank WAY less if your machine is doing other CPU-intensive shit in tandem.

>>58303786
no cold bug, also. so it should perform better than *lake under LN2. I'm eager to see what people will pull off.

>>58303922
Thanks senpai

>>58303922
>marketing buzzwords: the post

>>58303998
They aren't marketing buzzwords just because you don't understand what they mean.

>>58303902
>I don't know what rumors are
>I'm too stupid to write "opinion"
You're still adorable, shitposting /v/kun.

>>58303998
I can remember posts like these back in 2006 when the C2D came out. People told me t o get a single core CPU instead since dual CPU and dual core systems were nothing but a pain in the ass.

>Nothing takes advantage of multiple cores.

>>58304201
but if the dual core cpu runs at 2ghz just oc your single core to 4ghz mang!

>>58303762
encode your videos faster

>>58303762
8 simultaneous calculations

>>58303998
im confused, what was the buzzword.?

>>58304201
now, lets be 100% fair here, up to that point all anyone ever had exposure to was dual cpu computers, not dual core computers. even today quite a few programs refuse to see more then one cpu but for the most part anything will see more then one core on the rendering side.

Jesus fucking christ all the shitposts. Why can't AMD release ZEN in the next minute so all this faggotry can stop and AMD fangays finally get cucked again ? We all know AMD won't deliver , and if it does , well guess what , the price will be anally inserted into us.

>be me
>AMD fangay
>SR9 finally comes out
>turns out beating the 6900k was just too much
>still get a better peformance than a 6850k by slim but noticeable margins
>MSRP set at 600$
>wtf.png
>amazon prices all over the place just like the 10 series GPU
>750$ for a SR9
>buy a 6800k

Literally , unless AMD delivers something like 56 pcie lanes , prepare for disappoint.

>>58305770
People like you are the reason we just can't have nice things. If you have been following Zen for a while you'd know that it was really never expected to compete with intel purely on performance. We were HOPING it would deliver single threaded performance somewhere around Ivy Bridge/Haswell levels and at least get AMD back in the same fucking zip code as intel.

Now that it seems plausible that they've exceeded that to some degree, idiots like you who believe every single piece of AMD marketing as gospel have hyped this shit up in your own minds like it's supposed to be the next big thing and then inevitably get "disappointed" when it doesn't deliver on your unrealistic expectations. (ANOTHER MASSIVE DISAPPOINTMENT).

Just enjoy the fact that it's going to be available and competitive at different price points and at least worthy of being in the discussion. The market always corrects for supply and demand after a time.

>>58302129
plan for a base model at 350~ expect a base model at 500~

The way its marketed
The way it was shown
The format they chose
The concessions them made
The size of the die
Just getting people on a current amd platform again
Only makeing one sku that they either cut bad parts off or mcm to make the lower or higher end parts, with some binning

All of this suggests they are targeting a lost cost jack of all trades cpu. it wont hit the same peaks as a 6900 will, but it will be compelling for the price
it also wont hit the same peaks that a 4 core can, but it will give you reason to want one.

Through mcm'ing the chips, they make the opterons out of the same die as they 4-8 consumer, that means that they have less r&d to make up for that is spread throughout the lowest end to the highest end cpus.

Everything suggests that they are targeting a low cost chip, at half the size of a 200$ sku they made, that is smaller then a current I7 (or at least skylake if memory servers)

and the way they presented it was showing it pitted against a 6700k at 4.5 for a reason.

and everyone that says if its equal they have to match intel... why don't computers all cost multiple billions of dollars to buy? I mean they are that much proportionally stronger then or as strong as super computers from 10-20 years ago

Intel has had their dick in your ass for so long you forgot that die shrinks mean lower cost cpus, and that die size is was the biggest factor in cpu cost for a long time.

if amd is competitive, that die size is equal to cost is coming back in a big way. now will amd have a multi year long price cutting war with intel where most people will choose intel over amd, or would they come out the gate swinging hard and get people over to amd now?

I think they will got for the later, it would be the smart thing to do considering the 8 core zen at 350$ is between 300 and 400% higher profit per unit then the 8350

>>58302560
It all depends on how things work like their turbo, they said no upper limit, if they are 100% factual about that, then I may be able to go over 500$ for better binning, but if its just turbo with an upper limit then fuck it ill go base.

amd would have to profoundly fuck up for me not to go amd at this point, every bench mark shows it being in the performance range that I want with an acceptable minimum performance range.

>>58305770
>unless AMD delivers something like 56 pcie lanes
Zeppelin cores are 32 lanes each, friend.
Obscene overkill for 4 die Naples MCMs, maybe a little lacking for gaymen enthusiasts.

>>58303762
for gaming, mostly load balance, if shit starts up mid game, you don't feel the load.
for me, it offers a massive performance uptick from what I have, It allows me to use my computer at the same time my computer is doing heavy shit, something i'm not able to to currently, and on another note that is me specific, allows me more than 16gb of ram as I run into the ceiling of my current system quite frequently.

>>58301921
Intel shill confirmed

>>58305914
>just accept the fact that it's going to bring nothing new into the game other than saving a company
>and you will fucking enjoy that you idiot

Saged.

>>58306094
>>58304630
thx

>>58305960
If at this point in time , you are still deluding yourself over this chip being 350$ , then my post was exactly on mark. Everything points to a 500$ SR9 with performance slightly better than a 6850k . And the point of my post was to clarify that much.

>>58306156
I'm sorry, I missed the part where AMD promised that Zen would cure cancer and instantly develop nuclear fusion.

Oh wait, no I didn't, it's just a fucking CPU. Get over it, child.

>>58306051
I just wrote whatever two digits value i could think of I guess lol. And well yeah , but isn't the point of AMD's ryzen high end chips to be aimed at enthusiasts ? It's going to be good enough though , so long they price it correctly . But less pcie lanes will keep some people away (me and some other performance shills)

I canceled my 6800K order in the hopes that Zen will be able to compete or beat that, for a similar price.

Don't disappoint me AMD. Last time I got excited for you, you released Bulldozer.

>>58306345
>Zen is a garbage
>Intel's cpus prices get doubled

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>>58306156
>not understanding the consequence of intel monopoly
>not caring about thousand of jobs, because it's not yours

you are a shortsighted retard, aren't you?

>>58306355
That is certainly a possibility. Knowing AMD, they might release something that performs even worse than the Phenom II.
I really wouldn't be surprised.

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>tfw i5 2500 non k
>Performance diffirence between my cpu and 6600k is about 20-30%
Im even considering getting a i5 3570k or i7 2700 and oc it into oblivion

>>58306381
>Ryzen outperforms i7 6900k in Handbrake and Blender with clocks in the same range
>HURRRRRRRRR IT COULD BE WORSE THAN PHENOM II GUYS

You can't have it both ways, dipshit.

>>58306373
I only care about raw power, not the jobs of a bunch of pajeets.

>>58306479
Just get a 6600k you poorfag

>>58306516
why would they make better cpus if they are the only one producing them, baka?

>>58306561
To make even more money?

>>58306381
>even worse than the Phenom II

Phenom's where godly to overclock. They managed to push a 955 BE to 7 Ghz. They took it hardcore as well, those CPUs where virtually indestructible. You can easily overclock a 955 BE to 4 Ghz with a simple evo 212.

It's after Phenom where things started going to shit on AMDs side.



I think

>>58306191
you are still considering amd to be on equal footing across the board which they again ARE FUCKING NOT.

This is not a chip that will, across the board, beat out everything intel has to offer. There will be an uphill battle for anything over 400$ because intel will do 100% of the tasks at 100% the performance, while amd is only going for 80%, amd will only have dual channel, amd has a smaller fpu, amd does not had the hardware decode/drm that intel has so streaming will be lower quality, so on so forth. and even then, if amd had 100% parity with intel on everything, you have 2 roads you could take

price it the ball park intel, and have no one buy it, or price it way lower and people will at least look at it.

Stop making the false assumption that amd is equal in every way to intel.

and because you missed it, ill ask again, why aren't computer multiple billion dollar machines, why is your cellphone sub 100 million dollars? Why are tv's cheaper and bigger now then a 27 inch crt from 20 years ago?

time moves on, technology advances and prices come down, intel had effectively a monopoly in performance for nearly a decade, take the dick out of your ass and look at the die shrinks and the prices, hell look at performance vs die shrinks vs price over time. would probably be a VERY interesting metric to look at.

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>>58306579
>make new architecture
>gimp it, because no competition
>sell it
>unlock gimp
>sell it again
>double the profit

why do some many /g/ posters hate amd?

did mommy remarry a poojeet or something?

>Brown POO explosion behind the Turdzen

Can't even make this up

>>58306479
If thats your case, go with the i7, they still soldered the chips at that point.

>>58306624
The samurai fear the jews.

>>58306381
>they might release something that performs even worse than the Phenom II.
That's impossible

>>58306612
>>58306579
tiny incremental improvements because they can.

see skylake to kabylake, all that changed was hardware decoder.

>AMD Ryzen is shit
>Intel massively increases prices on all CPUs

>AMD Ryzen is good
>Intel lower prices

which one will it be?

>>58306660
even current construction/kitty cores preform better after the iterations, and this is a fairly substantial uptick from that (lying to investors gest your hass sued hard.)

>>58306693
>Ryzen is good
>intel doesn't lower prices because their primary competition is themselves, and they have never lowered prices.

>>58306693
intel has never lowered prices in spite of competition, intel will suffer it out for a cycle and release the 8000 at a lower price point at best.

>>58306721
will the 6700k drop in price soon>? or stay 330$ for a year?

>>58302189
>>58302520
aaaand, i was right

http://en.yibada.com/articles/182844/20170102/amd-ryzen-summit-ridge-cpu-confirmed-ready-to-overclock-at-5ghz-on-single-core-499-intro-price-to-topple-intel.htm

>black edition 499$
>non black edition 349$

If 8 core ryzen can hit 5 niggahertz just imagine the 6 core

Perfect balnce between ipc and moar core

>>58306693
>what is capitalism

Intel is already dominating the buyers market. Meaning they're already pretty much charging maximum of what people are willing to spend. That's what's so "great" about monopolies.

Only thing that could realistically drive up the prices off Intel's CPUs is a shortage in supply.

>>58306759
>8 core with 4.0 base
>160W TDP

>>58302595
The opinion of AMD being bad for Linux is about the GPUs, not CPUs.

>>58306252
what do you need so many PCIe lanes for?
8x vs 16x for GPUs has <0.5% (virtually within error of margin) except maybe CFX XDMA situations with 4k @ >60 fps.

The only common peripheral that really pushes wide PCIe 3.0 interfaces is multi-interface 40 GbE cards.

>>58306773
6 core will have identical ipc.... And likely hardly any extra oc room

>>58306841
AMD hasn't released a single CPU architecture in its history that wasn't able to be decently overclocked.
CPUs aren't GPUs.

>>58306861
You misinterpret me.
I said the 6 core would oc much better than the 8 core if at all.

>>58306800
holy shit, the presentation beating the 6900k was 3.4 base without boost

ryzen is going to be a monster

>>58306890
**wouldn't.

>>58306898
Not going to lie, seeing how half assed the 7700k is. If intel gives that little fucks, zen can't be that impressive.

>>58306890
>>58306916
You can't know, because you don't know if Zen overclocking will be mainly limited by heat, power or the pipeline.

The first one is easy to fix, the second would be fixable with a adjustable TDP/powerlimit, the third one and we're fucked.

>>58306773
>If 8 core ryzen can hit 5 niggahertz just imagine the 6 core
>Perfect balnce between ipc and moar core

it sounded like 5 GHz was around the limit for any core, and getting multiple cores up around there was more a mobo VRM constraint.
I wouldn't hope for anything too nuts.

>>58306890
I presume you base this on buildzoid's video

I don't really like the basis for his argument though. just because the 6850K doesn't clock much higher than the 6900K doesn't mean Zen will be constrained in the exact same manner.

but I could be wrong.

>>58306950
It'll mainly be heat, these aren't mobile cores made on a lower power process running at maximum of 2.5, they're full fledged fat desktop cores with the hardware and instruction sets to match it.

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>>58306950
>pipeline bottleneck

You have no faith

>>58306954
>I wouldn't hope for anything too nuts.
this. if you've been following Zen for a while and don't expect it to beat Intel straight out the gate like an idiot then it's still pretty promising overall.

what we know for sure is that the Zen cores are strong as fuck. it went toe to toe with the 6900k with what we can only assume are an inferior manufacturing process and an inferior SMT implementation. AMD wanted to improve on IPC and TDP, and it looks like they delivered big time.

my prediction is Zen will be a minor compromise but Zen+ and beyond will be competitive.

>>58306950
>adjustable TDP/powerlimit
I hope this is true and we get 125W Zens that can turbo to 4.2 or higher.

Fuck that shitty 95W limit Intel's so keen on keeping.

>>58306935
tbqh, i can't believe it either. they told 3.4base will be the slowest one and that this one without boost was on par with the 6900k. if the boost makes it faster than the 6900k and they sell it for 349$, they would fucking steamroll intel. 4.0 base for the black edition would indicate nearly the same single core performance as the 7700k, making it impossible to gimp software around to favour intel and killing it in multithreaded software. there would literally be no reason to even buy an intel system then. this feels like a fairy tale, but i'm still excited. you can hope that amd atleast delivers once

>>58307102
Intel doesn't need to do anything, AMD 3.4GHz 8 cores will be compared to Intel quad cores running at 4.5 in Cinnebench single thread, SuperPi and gayms and everyone will eat it up, in multithreaded workloads they'll use the 10 core Intel

>>58307102
CES 2017 in 3 days

>Get excite

>>58307036
We need to make a longer bipeline.

>>58307158
Contrary to popular belief there's actually nothing wrong with a long pipeline, theoretically.. It can have better IPC than a short one thanks to the extra optimization capable of being carried out by the extra stages.. But it's quite hard to achieve that, tl;dr software wizards haven't been born that are capable of doing that yet, guess the benefit of a long pipeline like high clocks and lower heat will remain elusive to consumers for a while.

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>that feel when you're actually thinking about splurging out the 500 bucks for the Black Edition.

>>58307049
>intel
>95w TDP limit
>"140w" i7E line
>pull 120w under heavy AVX load
>get hot as fuck
>overheat even with top of the line massive tower coolers when overclocked
>need custom water loop to hit clocks above 4.2ghz
>95w

Yeah, nawh.

>>58307102
They said that 3.4ghz would be the minimum clock speed *of the CPUs available on launch*

The 8 core chips will be 3.4ghz, maybe a ballhair higher, and lower core count binned parts will ship with higher clocks.
Any significantly higher clocked 8 core chips will be a refresh later on.

>>58307288
If it even exists.

>>58306751
>dropping i7 price
AHAHAHAHAHA

look up old i7's, they're still the price they released at, i think i saw some at HIGHER prices since the 7700k was announced to be slower than the 6700k

>>58307307
>In terms of release date, the two SR7 variants will be released ahead of SR5 and SR3 variants, the former with a January release period while the latter with a March release date.

>AMD's SR3 variant, a so-called Intel Core i3 counterpart, will be sold for only $149, according to Wccf Tech price roundup.
>Moreover, for SR5 and SR7 will be within a $250 to $350 price point, while SR7 Black Edition will be priced around $500.

http://en.yibada.com/articles/182451/20161231/amd-ryzen-amd-ryzen-price-specs-ryzen-processor-amd-cpu.htm

>>58307365
Doesn't seem like a very reliable source.

>>58307412
We'll see in three days. Its supposed to be officially announced at CES. Which starts the 5th if my memory serves me right.

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>>58307365
>i3-7350k will be 177$USD

>>58307289
yeah right, i'm a retard, but if they booth nearly match on clock speed, how do they justificate the 150$ charge?

>>58307487
>i3 7350K doesn't beat the i3 6100 when they're both overclocked to their max
Shilltel fanbois will defend this

>>58301921
Intel supports Feminist Frequency. Just wait for zen.

>>58301881
underrated
/thread

>>58307670
holy shit get over it you damn child

>>58307586
Ipc...

>>58307047
>my prediction is Zen will be a minor compromise but Zen+ and beyond will be competitive.

AMD needs to compete NOW, while Intel has been lazy with their architecture and got caught flat-footed again with their floundering 10nm transition.

I wouldn't turn down further refinements to Zen, but what's coming out now can by no means be accepted as just a "warm up" generation until 2019 or whatever.

>>58307670
AMD is part of islamic state.

>>58307711
So it's part of America then?

>>58303071

KEK!

>>58302052
>I know my way around silicon unlike a child like yourself
>doesn't know what an ES is
lmao

>>58307704
AMD needs to stay afloat and steadily claw its way back to relevance. it's not going to fucking happen overnight. right now their order of business is to sell a slightly inferior product at a more attractive price point, and/or with more attractive options. then, if they have the means to keep the R&D machine running, who knows.

I mean, you can meme all you want, but most people don't give a fuck about the high end intel/nvidia shit. it's not nearly as important as you try to convince yourself it is. if they have a good product then it will sell. the 480 is selling well even though Polaris doesn't scale to 1080 heights. even Excavator is a cash cow right now.

A NEW SOCKET A YEAR KEEPS THE AYYMD GOYIM IN FEAR

>>58306582
That's about right

>>58307343
everything there is still in rumor territory though, while I want to be hopeful, I really fucking do, the 'effortless 5ghz' screams click bait.

>>58306759
While I really want that to be the case, its still all rumor and the 'effortless 5ghz' screams clickbait.

We will see, but i'm not expecting anything passed 4.3 ghz

>>58306935
it takes 3-5 years for an architecture to be made from scratch. This was the entire reason for the tick tock cycle.

Lets assume that intel only really learned what amd could do and what it would be within the last year, it explains some of their announcements and how far off some of their cpu competitiveness are.

>>58301921
lol

>>58307586
binning, see the 480 as an example

high binned 480s are able to do the same work as a lower binned one but the high is only 91 watts total, while the lower one is 160

If they bin the better chips to a higher cost, and they don't fuck you, these are the real higher binned chips, the premium may be worth it.

If i cant get a high end Ryzen on a mini itx mobo then AMD is finished

>>58307686
while that's true enough, intel gave them and 50 other feminist organizations 300 million dollars they ripped out of scholarships and education directly, all because some feminists pitched a fit when intel pulled sponsorship over anti gamer messaging on gaming websites during that shit storm.

the ripping money out of education rubs me the wrong way and is just another reason I don't like intel.

>>58307711
they mentioned a holiday.

AMD is much less averse to 'playing it safe' like Intel, so I have no doubt they'll make a high clocked 8 core with a absurd TDP for regular motherboards.

Jesus christ the sales on Amazon for Intel & AMD CPUs right now.

Holy shit why do I have to be so fucking broke. D:

>9570 for 200 USD
>8350 100$

>Shit selling for at or over 50% off

>AMD

Disregarded. Enjoy willingly and blindly cucking yourself/yourselves into yet another AMD meme.

It should have take out weeks ago.

The longer they delay it, the more leaks will come out and of course it lets intel release things like the 7700K and other cpus in the mean time to steal the thunder away.

Zen is coming off as the duke nukem forever of cpus, by the time it comes out it won't matter at all.

>>58308586
>less averse to 'playing it safe'
So they do play it safe.

>>58308726
>The longer they delay it, the more leaks will come out and of course it lets intel release things like the 7700K and other cpus in the mean time to steal the thunder away.

Wow yeah overclocked skylake with higher temps and zero IPC gains. Everybody is so fucking excited about that.

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>>58304042

>>58307982
The point is, Zen looks SUPERIOR to current Intel chips and because Kaby Lake is one spectacular failure now is the perfect time for AMD to get that sweet sweet market share.

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>>58308817
>close to Broadwell in IPC as stated explicitly by CanardPC in their ES review
>the ES they tested was clocked lower than final silicon and had performance impacting bugs
>8c/16t so its a beast in multithreaded workloads
>3.15ghz ES was 10%~ behind the i7 6900k in CanardPC's gaming benches
>only one game they tested used more than 4 threads
>final silicon will have base clocks of 3.4ghz plus higher turbos
>gaming performance confirmed competitive with Broadwell-E
>rendering performance confirmed competitive with Broadwell-E
>games that make well use of many threads like these: >>58304750 will show Ryzen at the top of benches along with Haswell-E and Broadwell-E
>all of these HEDT chips have significant advantages over quad core chips when it comes to gaming and streaming at the same time
>AMD showed Ryzen vs a Skylake i7 to highlight that fact
>no way in hell that AMD will charge intel HEDT prices when they're positioning it against both market segments

Ryzen is a winner. It won't take home the ultimate performance crown, but holy fuck a brand new core arch has never shown such performance in its first iteration. Jim Keller absolutely is the shit wrecker.

>>58308953
>It won't take home the ultimate performance crown
It may, depends on how good is it's OC potential on ALL cores.

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>>58308953

>>58308953
Based Jim "Put Intel's stocks in the cellar" Keller

>>58307982

that's just not true. I'm a regular user, non-overclocker and I will pick whatever has been consistently the best. AMD has to convince me that switching is actually vastly superior than just buying another Intel or nothing at all
I am more than happy with my Intel purchases, they never failed me ever and I suppose they seem fast enough *and* i like their integrated GPUs.

>>58308953
>but holy fuck a brand new core arch has never shown such performance in its first iteration.

k8
conroe
sandy bridge

but is it a botnet?

>>58309078
The K8 that AMD ended up releasing, not the one that Keller designed from scratch, was an evolution of the prior arch. K8 is iterative.

The Conroe/C2D chips use the "Core" architecture which is derivative of the older P6 core.
All of intels "Core" family is based on this, and that includes all mainstream architectures up to Kaby Lake today. Sandy Bridge was not a new family of arch, but one of many iterations of the "Core" architecture.

The Zen core is not derivative of any prior design, it is brand new arch. I knew exactly what I was saying, anon. No new core arch has ever shown such performance in its first iteration. Unless Zen has some major performance bug in final silicon like Phenoms with the TLB issue Ryzen's release will be historic in the computing world.

>>58309192
Everything is a botnet.
*tips tinfoil hat*

>>58309200

Zen isn't a ground up design, they reused a ton from K10 and the construction cores.

>All of intels "Core" family is based on this, and that includes all mainstream architectures up to Kaby Lake today. Sandy Bridge was not a new family of arch, but one of many iterations of the "Core" architecture.

you're wrong, the last iteration of core was nehalem. sandy bridge started development concurrently with core 2 and there were functional samples back from fabs as early as 2009. intel took years to perfect it and it was just as much a major overhaul from previous uarch as zen is to k10 and bulldozer.

>>58309192
Your brain is apart of Satans botnet.

>>58309225
Core2 isnt
1st gen Bulldozer isnt
apparently the botnet in newer Intels can be disabled.

>>58309325

Core 2 is whether you like it or not. It also has unpatched vulnerabiilties that can be remotely exploited.

>>58309276
>Zen isn't a ground up design, they reused a ton from K10 and the construction cores.
This is a direct contradiction of what AMD reps including Lisa Su and Jim Keller have said. Zen is a new core built from scratch. Don't talk out of your ass to someone far more informed than you are.

> the last iteration of core was nehalem
Nehalem, the first official named successor of the "Core" arch, is still only iterative. They are directly related. Look at the actual hardware changes generation to generation. All of intels modern mainstream X86 arch is built upon generational changes from the "Core" arch which itself was derived from the P6.
Really all that changed is intel's naming scheme.

>>58302546
>be a reasonable person
>pick worse hardware for your money

Pick one. Choice is obvious if you want to have good perf:price ratio cpu you would buy i5 6600k, it would serve you for at least 4 years, especially since you can oc it.

Don't fell for underdog meme, only pick stuff which will benefit you.

>>58309434
>This is a direct contradiction of what AMD reps including Lisa Su and Jim Keller have said. Zen is a new core built from scratch. Don't talk out of your ass to someone far more informed than you are.

your conflating marketing statements with reality. there's no reason to believe AMD would be able to get zen out the door if they threw away 30 years of x86 design and knowledge. zen would certainly need to reuse previous design even just as a base to get it out the door within a decade.

>>58309474
Oh boy, look at you pull more things out of your ass.
Building a brand new core does not mean you miraculously throw away all knowledge of high level IC design and ISA implementation. Saying it was built from scratch does not mean they ignore their wealth of existing IP. It means that they did not take an existing design and try modify it to suit new performance goals.
Jim Keller is not a marketing person, he was head of CPU development for K12 and Zen.
More importantly HotChips happened last August. Guess what? We know what the Zen core looks like. Protip newfaggot: It shares nothing in common with the BD family. If you wanted to make the argument, you could at least cobble together something barely coherent about Zen being an evolution of the Jaguar core, but it would still be wrong.
No FlexFPU, no CMT, radically different branch prediction, fetch, entirely different layout to the schedulers, micro and macro ops aren't even handled the same way. Zen is a massive singular core that shares nothing in common with any iteration of the Bulldozer line.

Zen is a brand new core arch, its not based on any prior design.
Pick your battles kid. Talking out of your ass to people smarter than you isn't a recipe for success.

>>58309581
>No FlexFPU, no CMT, radically different branch prediction, fetch, entirely different layout to the schedulers, micro and macro ops aren't even handled the same way.

All changes that were made using the construction core as a base. Just because it is radically different does not mean they would waste engineering time and money building from the ground up 'just because'.

> Talking out of your ass to people smarter than you isn't a recipe for success.

it's very clear that you are a misinformed fanboy from reddit regurgitating marketing material and conjecture from other misinformed kids.

>>58309617

The very likely reality is that Zen is the result of AMD going back to K8/K10 the same way that Core was the result of Intel going back to P6.

>>58309617
Pathetic excuse for an argument, newfaggot.
Your continual ass pulls, and blatantly trying to discredit facts straight from the source is ample proof of mental capacity.

Bulldozer and Zen share nothing, Bulldozer was not in any way a base for Zen.
Different pipelines, different functional units, different fundamental approaches. New core arch is born in theory, it starts its life in a white paper. Not everything is iterative as you think so in your feeble child mind. A dog is not based on a cat simply because they are both animals. That is the essence of your argument, and its the fallacious argument of a confused, desperate, cornered intellectual midget with no command over any facts.

>>58309664
The difference is that high level arch of the "Core" is similar to P6.
It was a natural evolution. Netburst lead to the P4 Extreme Editions with Prescott and others before being killed off. They went back to what they had, what they knew worked as a solid basis, and they evolved it from there. That lineage is apparent at a glance.

Zen doesn't use the fused ALUs+AGUs that K10 had. It doesn't have "balanced" AGUs either, the int core being 4 wide with 2 AGUs. Every area of the core is radically different from designs they have implemented today.

Mirroring again the same statement that both Su and Keller have made: Zen is a new design built from scratch.

>>58301921
This is a shill tactic btw.

>>58309784

>anyone who doesnt unconditionally support my company and hate on the companies i hate is a shill and an idiot!

back to plebbit kiddo, corporate cheerleading is acceptable there

>>58309869
This is such a retarded strawman its outright hilarious.
You were talking out of your ass, got called out for it rightfully. Cry more, kid.

>>58309922
This.

>>58309869
Just accept the fact that you have zero idea what you're talking about.

>>58309869
>l-leddit...

>>58304042
till we have retail in reviewers hands, we have 2 real world benchmarks shown in real time by amd, 4-5 more benches you can gleam performance from if you use these programs, and 1 gaming benchmark that showed dota + streaming at the same time on cpu alone.

I look at intel, they get 4.3-4.6ghz on their 8 cores across them all, and I expect no better from amd due to the lesser of the twos process, that and the hug binning the 480 went through. so call me sceptical when amd is said to have 5ghz on one core 'without breaking a sweat'

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>>58308405
well thanks, that makes sense

>>58310052
I scoffed at that post because the CanardPC review isn't a rumor nor is it an "option." Its no question that they have a legitimate A0 stepping ES and early validation motherboard. They ran a whole slew of benches and published an article on it detailing its performance.
The performance figures they showed are far more than Blender, Handbrake, and Dota2.

> they get 4.3-4.6ghz on their 8 cores across them all,
Broadwell-E will hit a thermal wall super quick beyond 4ghz. Getting to even 4.5ghz without a serious water loop requires a small miracle of silicon lottery.

> so call me sceptical when amd is said to have 5ghz on one core 'without breaking a sweat'
Overclocking a single core is nothing like overclocking a whole chip. Kaby Lake chips have hit 7ghz on a single core, that does not mean you're going to have all four cores hit the same clock speed. Welcome to overclocking 101.
What it does show is that the architecture doesn't have any inherent pipeline limitations that prevent it from being boot stable at those speeds. It shows that OC limitations will be either thermal or power consumption.
CanardPC tested their chip, and got it clocked to 5ghz on a single core, noting that their test board's VRM was too limited to test out overclocking on all cores. This is nothing out of the ordinary, and frankly your borderline violent skepticism makes you just sound butthurt.

You might as well say you're skeptical that the sun will rise tomorrow. That isn't healthy skepticism, its having an agenda.

>>58310307
>trying to sound sane and reasonable on /g/, the autistic cousin of /v/
All we do here is throwing shit at each other and scream botnet.

if you dont overclock, then what we know for a fact is base amd clocks are going to be worse then a non e i7 for limited thread tasks such as games, however, there is one aspect you need to take into account, and thats the extra headroom 8 cores provides, Its alot of 'oh shit, this program fucked up and is pulling fuck loads of processing power' or 'this program suddenly wants to use half my cpu to 100% for an hour" that a benchmark just wont show...

If you have an i7 ivy bridge or older, or an i5 haswell or older, look into zen as it may be a straight upgrade all round, but if you have an i7 haswell or newer, it will likely be good enough to not consider this cpu, and wait on zen+ or intels answer to zen, possibly even the used market.

>>58309467
intel has fucked the cpu industry up the ass for as long as I can remember by flexing monopoly muscles, never being consumer friendly, and for the last 6 years not improving yet demanding the same or greater prices.

I fucking hate intel, and want to support their competitor if I can and not get fuced by doing so, its why im still on my phenom II system, amd cant offer me much better, in fact amds current offerings are more of a side grade then upgrade, intel is the choice if I want to upgrade, and zen is the deadline for how long I will keep my computer, either it hits at least i5 in gaming and over i7 in rendering at sub 500$ or I buy a 6 core intel and be done with it.

same goes for nvidia and amd, but thankfully here amd and nvidia are neck and neck when ever I want to buy a gpu usually with amd being the clear winner due to the lower price and better performance in that price bracket. Seeing as I had a bit of a windfall recently, I am going to treat myself to a high end gpu soon, and I'm waiting to see vega before I splurge, as I hate nvidia for more personal reasons then intel. Its not about liking amd, far from it, I just hate intel and nvidia.

>>58310307
I made a mistake,
intels 8 core is as follows

93% for 4.2
76% for 4.3
36% for 4.4

and last time I asked the guy at silicon lottery, he used I want to say a dual fan closed loop to cool the cpus for testing. I was thinking of the 6 core version.

as far as skepticism goes, we don't know if the chip was soldered, thermal paste, liquid metal, none of this, and all processes/methods that may not make it to retail, we don't know if it was golden silicon even if it was able to hit the numbers claimed as easily as claimed.

What we do know is it's using the same process as the 480 did, and the difference between low and high binning seemed to be the difference of 70 watts of power, the lottery is real with that process on the gpu, and im assuming its real with that process on the cpu too.

doing some quick shitty math, and if we assume that 3.4ghz was chosen because some of the cpus just can not go over it period this is lowest common denominator, then the same difference between the 480 at 91 and 160 is about 43% meaning you are looking at a cpu spread of some of them will only hit 3.4 with golden silicon hitting 4.8

Im looking at the ones like that 4.8 that are so rare its not a talking point, your ass got golden silicon and are fucking lucky as hell.

I know its not apples to apples exactly, But im not getting my hopes up.

oh, and my hopes are this, it hits an i5 in gaming with above i7 in rendering for under 500$, anything more is exceeding my expectations and its looking good on the exceeding part.

>>58310623
>What we do know is it's using the same process as the 480 did, and the difference between low and high binning seemed to be the difference of 70 watts of power,

Anon, I don't know where you're getting your information, but I promise you that you're confused as hell.
There is no statistical variation in power draw of stock RX 480s. The cards have a power target of 150w, and that is what the default voltages are adjusted to. They are set that high so that AMD could floor the market with them on release, ensuring they were as cheap as possible because virtually none get tossed for failing to meet clock binning.
Of this 150w power target 110w is taken by the ASIC, and the remaining 40w is taken by the memory. GDDR5 modules pull a lot of power, particularly at high clocks, and the 8GB RX 480 has 8 1GB chips clocked at 8Gbps each. I have no idea where you're taking this mythical 70w reduction from, but it absolutely has no basis in reality. If this were the case then we'd be looking at the Ellesmere die drawing just 40w itself. This isn't happening.

AMD has a few other lines of parts based on this die, and some of them come with a 95w TDP. Though these parts do undergo clock binning that dies for reference RX 480s did not, there is no enormous difference in efficiency between them. These parts simply have tweaked pstates and lower power targets. Power target is an adjustable metric that you can change yourself at will in the Wattman software.

There are Ellesmere dies on the planet that draw 40w at 1266mhz. You are just grossly misinterpreting something you've seen, or heard elsewhere. Your post is built on a faulty premise.

>>58310742
There are no* Ellesmere dies on the planet that draw 40w at 1266mhz

>>58307982
>>58308817

If the Zeppelin cores are cheap enough to make a 300-400% profit per die at $350-$500 per chip their server lines need to get only 10% market share to drastically improve their corporate finances.

If AMD takes 25% of the enterprise market expect them to pay off their long term debt within 2 years and dump huge sums of money into R&D on both the CPU and GPU sides. The consumer space is largely pointless for them, it's enterprise and semi-custom that will land them the big bucks.

>>58305770
>complains about shitposts
>proceeds to shitpost even harder
shalom friend. keep it up, you're doing god's work.

>>58310855
If AMD managed a whopping 25% X86 market share for enterprise then their long term debt would be done in half a year. Total server market is somewhere around $50 billion annually, X86 is between 70% and 80% of it.
An additional revenue stream of even $3 billion per year would totally change the company, figures as high as $8 billion or more seem fantastical from their current position.

>>58302594
I'm nearly in the same position as you. I have the 2600k OC'd to a mild 4.3 (I lost the silicon lottery). Although, I'm looking to spend up to around $500 on the CPU if everything lines up right with the motherboard pricing and CPU performance.

Otherwise I'll hold onto the 2600k until I absolutely have to part with it.

>>58306681
And avx instructions now uses separate clocks so you can overclock without crashing everytime avx2 is used.

>>58301871
Fucking never apparently...

>>58302129
>What's a realistic price going to be for this?
>>58305960
>plan for a base model at 350~ expect a base model at 500~


FUCK
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT AMD
I JUST WANT A BUDGET BUILD THAT ISNT A DEAD END

IF THERE'S NO =<150$ OPTION THEN FUCK IT

>>58312107
Those are allegedly for the 8-core models. There should be more reasonably priced options for the 6-core and 4-core options.

>>58312150
IT'S 2017
I HELD OUT SO FUCKING LONG I'M DOWN TO BAKING MY MOTHERBOARD TO KEEP IT GOING
IT CAN'T RUN LONGER THAN A FEW HOURS WITHOUT BSOD DUE TO DYING HARDWARE

GIVE ME A DAY
GIVE ME A PRICE
FUCK I'M FUCKING TIRED OF THIS WAIT
I GOT TOO DAMN FAR TO GIVE IN NOW

>>58303031
member when intel couldn't fix their shit so they just dumped a bunch of cache on their CPU?

I member

>>58312232
the fuck are you running

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Post yfw AMDrones need to pay $500 for a cpu and overclock it to over a gorillion gigahertz just to match Skylake

>>58312232
if you are on ddr3, get an i3 that uses ddr and use that as a minimum for a while, amd could be out in january, could be out in march, but q1 is the release, they also have allegedly a 4 core for sub 200 and a 6 core for sub 300, both of them are threaded so 4 core 8 thread 6 core 12 thread.

or figure out what is bsod ing, because that is a software issue more then a hardware, if something was dying hardware its just going to turn off not blue screen.

>>58312232
Hard to say when AMD is going release the CPUs where you can legitimately buy them at retail shops.

A lot of speculation that even when AMD releases RyZen that it will be a paper launch and that the chips won't be available until late Q1 or early Q2 in retail shops.

You may have to buy Baby Lake.

>>58312292
>TFW Intel locked AMD out of contracts to fuck AMD over in the long run and now it's over a decade later and even though Intel lost the antitrust lawsuit we're still stuck with the fucked up market Intel created with tech lagging behind from both companies and inflated prices with fucking feature locks on perfectly good chips

>TFW Intel tried to smother Cyrix as well, but Cyrix survived it yet still went under due to a shitty merger and left the market a crappier place with just AMD left to compete

>TFW you still can't unsee any Intel fanboy not wearing a henchmen costume out of a Cape-comic because Intel has never not been underhanded in it's business

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so do i wait or just jump shit to intel?
I dont care about single core as much as multi core as I never close any program until it crashes (botting)

>>58312490

How many bots do you run, and what game do you bot?

>>58310994
I'm aware that 25% is fantastical, but a moderate 10% is doable, and even that pays off their long term debt in less than a year. I assume they would stretch out their payments a little to dump money into R&D sooner.

Imagine AMD with an additional $3-4B per year.

>>58308586
150w at 3.8/4.0Ghz seems reasonable, but at $700+

>>58306582
A mature Stars with SMT would have probably had better performance than Zen on 14nm, if we include the new interconnect/PHY and branch predictor design

>>58301921
>to make a point

Yeah, I'm sure AMD or Intel will notice

>>58307686
Post pics of your pink tank top and vape, fuckboi.

>>58303786
>Overclocking Ryzen will be power limited.
And heat-limited when there are more than one core being OC'd

>>58316230
Thermal limitations are relative. Broadwell-E and Haswell-E both tend to be thermally limited as well. They need water loops to hit clockspeeds in the upper 4ghz range.

Take your shitposting elsewhere.

>>58302383
If you're going to shitpost, at least try to be a little believable.

>>58306861
The Phenom I was a pretty shit overclocker. The Phenom II was massively better at overclocking.

>>58307287
Long pipeline = more transistors = more heat
Also, more expensive with branch mispredicts

>>58312490
>i just care about multi core
>should i buy intel?

are you retarded? amd is going to sell a 8c/16t cpu for 350$ this/next month

>>58316254
It isn't shitpost.
Where did I stated that intel is somehow better?
Just reminding that 1 core 5ghz <> all cores 5ghz
I'd love to see 1-2 cores 5ghz overclocking ability for unoptimized games

>>58309276
Nehalem was the first Intel chip using an IMC and QPI. Sandy Bridge was the second.
Core 2 Duo still used a FSB and a memory controller in the motherboard's Northbridge.

>>58317942
Less hotspots though.

http://videocardz.com/65343/amd-demos-star-wars-battlefront-on-ryzen-and-vega-at-ces2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkvj-uij42M

>>58303762
>What is more cores used for exactly?

Multitasking, mainly.

Running a single program across multiple cores is sort of difficult, but running multiple programs simultaneously, spread out over multiple cores gives you good performance for each program.

>>58318294
ryzen+vega same day launch confirmed

ve.ga

23 hours left

>>58319200
>right as my workday starts
fuck this gay earth

>>58319212
>>58319212
4 hours before my shift so good here

>>58305914
> it was really never expected to compete with intel purely on performance
No, fuck you that is exactly what zen was supposed to do.

>>58319212
>>58319234
>still on vacation since december 23rd

Sucks to be you fags.

>>58319379
I got unused vacation time ready for spring, a whole two full months.
In no way does it suck to be me.

>>58308726
Zen had literally never been delayed you fucking shill

>>58301871
> Ryzen
That's a deal breaker. I can't buy something with such a corny name.

>>58302546
>choose worse product
>smarter choice


Tru amd user

>>58301871
please AMD save us from jewtel

>>58320879
What the hell kind of name is "Core"?
That's a bit like calling a car "Engine".

>>58321214
Simple and not corny

HERE WE GO BOYS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkvj-uij42M

>>58321232
> not corny
0/10

>>58321252
A 1080 averages 48 fps in Battlefront @ 4k

if it isnt am3+ socket what is stopping me from upgrading my 6300 to an intel? since I would have to upgrade the mobo and my ram as well

on the side note, are any of you moron selling your 8350? i take it off your hand for 50%

>>58303394
Weren't people saying this last year?

>>58302010
assblasted kek

Who is selling their 2600K/2700K with a working motherboard when they upgrade? I'm interested in buying.

>>58321339
It's been known for a LONG time that the new chips run AM4 so it can use DDR4 and PCI-E 3.0

>>58321252
Looks like it's artificially capped at 60 FPS, too.

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>>58301921
Well, I'm also hardcore AMD fanboy. But I seat on Shilltell CPUs since the glorious Bulldozer. You don't need to use/own AMD to be an AMD fanboy. Do you understand? Just don't tell reddit about you heresy. AYYYYYY

>>58321695
>Weren't people saying this last year?
No

>>58321757
I've got a 2600K at 4.8Ghz with a working ASUS P8P67 Pro, 12GB of RAM. Where you are lad?

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>>58321757
>>58321915
proofs

>>58321915
>>58321947
Are you in the US?

>>58321947
canada, you shipping or not

>>58322090
>Canada

kek

>>58321947
have you tried 5GHz with HT?

>>58301871

late 2018, just called and asked the office in Israel.

I have a 4790k and a fury x and I am feeling the upgrade bug

What the hell is wrong with me

>>58322652
You fell for hype meme.

>>58322071
>>58322090
neither, UK

>>58302546
Am on my third amd cpu and I have had enough.

Enough lies, enough disappointment, enough shilling.

Do you have the original packaging for both the CPU and the motherboard? I'm not interested in the RAM or CPU cooler, just the motherboard and CPU together. Also, do you still have the original rear I/O shield with other accessories for the motherboard and is everything in working condition?

>>58323190
>>58323024

>>58321252
Those 57FPS dips should be gone with a higher clocked quad/six core