BSD and other things

>>58260637
https://www.dice.com/jobs?q=bsd&l=&searchid=9238939286940

BaSement Dweller choice.

What are the benefits of *BSD to Linux?

>>58260667
More stable, more UNIX like, and more flexible license. Not saying GPL is a bad license.

If wine got ported, I'd run a *BSD full time. As it stands, I play too many windows games.

>>58260695
>Not saying GPL is a bad license.
Nice save.

I love how OpenBSD can be installed in just two minutes.

>>58260749
Cool.

>>58260714
What did you mean by nice save?

>>58260637
Just switch to Linux already

>>58260637
How do I find out the dependencies a package needs? I had a problem getting sound to work, but that was fixed by installing another DE, even without using said new DE. I think one of the dependencies fixed my problem, but the terminal that I installed everything in closed. I just wanted to figure out the fix for future reference

>>58260695
>>58260714
>>58261436
But GPL is a commie license, that favors code and lawyers over developers

>>58260667
None. BSD is a pile of broken shit.

>>58261486
>But GPL is a commie license, that favors code and lawyers over developers
Stop the flamewar you corporate cuck. There are legit people here wanting to discuss an OS.

Just fuck off.

How do I fix firefox crashing when I hit the Browse... button. It works on chrome

>>58261807
>corporate cuck
He would be one, but memeposters belongs to the basement.

>>58261807
>supporting godless socialists
I only care about the future of our culture and society

Running OpenBSD as a router has been a great experience, though nothing else in my LAN is a good fit for any of the BSDs.

>>58261845
Fine, enjoy the troll.

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>>58261846
>our culture and society
>tfw shitposting and shilling is a culture
>godless
>memeing faggots to an OS with the devil mascot

Yearly reminder that the FSF is a husk of its' former self and BSD/Apache/MIT is the only hope for truly FREE software to all parties involved.

Berkely4lyfe

>>58261956
It's BSD thread not a permissive license cocksucker competition.

>>58261989
I was speaking of BSD ;-)

>>58262019
License maybe, but not the OS itself.

why do we hate *BSD again?

>>58264551
License isn't copyleft and it has no support.

>>58264551
Response to literally anything: "oh u dont need dat, just eliminate ur needs and use this piece of shit"

same for software, drivers, hardware. "oh just buy this 15 year old laptop and throw everything out"

virulently shitty community jerked out of existence on IRC channels that you aren't invited to

claim to be highly intelligent lifeforms but just ban all arguments they can't counter or call them shitposts. just like response to everything is to throw it out.

chock full of hipsters who don't give a shit about computers, they were using linux from 2000 - 2010 and it got too mainstream so they flipped out. they don't really use BSD, they just say they do while posting from a linux distro about how cool and better it is

>>58264753
Are you telling me you'd rather use precompiled Linux on a new computer. Rather than a 15 year old fully optimized BSD laptop?

>>58264895
yup, I know it's hard to believe but due to this thing called moore's law, we actually had newer tech after 2001. For example, a P4, a C2D, or an i5. For less than $30. I'm just finding this out, 5 seconds ago

>>58264753
You sound like what pajeets say about linux.

>>58265615
Yup, the cycle has been repeated, you are actually right that linux was just like this, circa 2002 or so. Difference is one actually tries to improve itself and the other stays in an autistic little hole for two entire decades. (Latter is BSD.)

The joke of this thread, the one that genuinely makes me laugh, is its title.

>BSD and other things

there are no "other things". it's just BSD. And an entire universe of fucking nothing.

/baot/ must be renamed to /bafn/

>>58264753
your posts get deleted and yet you STILL keep going

>>58260667
native ZFS filesystem. If you care about your data at all you'd be running ZFS in someway or form. Illumos is also good (better) for this.

Also Dtrace nativley. Strace and systemtap have glaring, glaring design defects comparred to dtrace.

>>58261473
instead of pouring water over the entire building, just go to where the fire is and put it out. Look up the model of your soundcard and google the bsd driver for it

>>58261486
GPL was created to help developers maintain control of their code. Looser licenses allow someone to modify open-source code and distribute it as proprietary software; this hurts developers (and the user community) since the superior, more-developed code branch is now closed-source, and owned by someone who didn't write the original code. It creates a one-way power dynamic - anyone can take open-source code contributions and incorporate it into the proprietary branch, but the open-source branch cannot benefit from the proprietary development. The GPL was created specifically to prevent this.

Polite sage for off-topic.

>>58267500
Yeah, the thing is i already have the drivers, just can't get my speakers on the laptop to work. headphones work fine

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Here's some real nice knowledge if you deciede to install OpenBSD as a multiboot

>start out clean
>boot GNU/Linux liveiso, open up fdisk
>50/50 the disk (or save a little space for a swap partition)
>Make one EXT4 partition
>Make another partition, mark as OpenBSD
>boot up OpenBSD
>select OpenBSD area in the installer
>use default partiton layout
>then add OpenBSD to grub's menu using /etc/grub.d/40_custom

Spent days trying to figure this shit out. Might experiment with sharing the swap between the two, but for now my Debian swapfile resides on /swapfile rather than a partition (out of laziness)

>>58267489
gdb is better
Linux has ZFS natively, and support for pretty much every other filesystem that BSD doesn't have.

>>58267671
Speaking of filesystems, good luck with LUKS on any BSD.

>>58267617
where is the sound going? on linux its a simple stroll to the sound utility and directing the flow where you want it

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>BSD
spot the cuck

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>>58268599
In a way the BSD license is so free you can make it <code>un-free</code>

>>58261912
>voting for trump
>saying anything about shitposting
Voting for Trump was like shitposting with your election ballot

>>58267489
illumos and freebsd are both current with openzfs, neither is better at present.

>>58267671
zfs on linux isnt current with openzfs, and lacks a few features.
freebsd supports every filesystem worth mentioning that linux does via fuse.

>>58260711
it's in ports: emulators/wine

>>58261825
it's probably because of a mimetype that firefox doesn't know how to handle, or because it's trying to access something it can't - figure out how to get crashdumps and get in contact with some firefox devs via irc or just submit a bug report on bugzilla and pray to Dennis Ritchie that it gets fixed at some point

>>58267671
gdb is nothing like dtrace; back at sun when it was being developed there, there was a joke that dtrace is basically a full rootkit, capable of telling any user with access to it EVERYTHING about the system - which is why it's usually limited to root without headless access

>>58269451
Sorry about the name and tripfagging, my userscript to disable names somehow got disabled.

>>58267671
>Tracing
>gdb
Moron spotted

>>58261868
cool

>>58267671
also, owning the name+tripfag again:
gdb is on freebsd, but nobody uses it because it's inferior to dtrace in every single way imaginable

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Anyone know by any chance where I can find this file?

tell me about the cryptography difference between linux and BSD
what i want to know
>do they have esoteric ciphers other than the popular ones
>i know openbsd have a better CSPRNG
>tell me about crypto software ONLY on *bsd platforms

How hard is the switch from Gentoo to FreeBSD? Will Wine and muh games work?

>>58260637
As of now, i am running Ubuntu with i3-gaps installed. I really like my setup as it is at the moment.

Can i do everything i do on Linux on BSD? If so, what are the other pluses of switching right now to BSD? (Could switch as quickly as today)

>>58272475
There aren't really any major cryptological differences between Linux and BSD, primarily since they're both POSIX and are meant to be nominally compatible. What use is cryptography when you can't communicate with others?

>>58272538
Dunno, never made the switch - but I will say that wine exists on FreeBSD and run as well as it does on Linux to my knowledge (though I haven't played video games in a long time, so I don't know). Steam doesn't run on FreeBSD, but that's because Steam in their infinite wisdom chose to use 32bit rather than 64bit, and the linux compatability layer in linux is 64bit. Once Steam migrates, I don't foresee too many problem porting Steam to Linux (again, POSIX and all).

>>58272642
It doesn't appear that i3-gaps is in ports, at least - but a quick google suggests that there's a github project to try and fork it. Main issue I've been hearing from people switching from Linux to BSD is that Linux developers don't really check whether what they're writing will run on POSIX-compatible systems, they only check 1 or 2 Linux distros, if that (which means I can foresee a future in which 1 Linux distribution won't be compatible with another).

Back in 2005 they might've been actually compatible, but they aren't now, because developers on the Linux side have gotten lazy.

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>>58272642
Just install the regular i3 which is BSD anyway.

I don't understand why ya'all need all that, but each to their own. I'll stick to ratpoison-vm.

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>>58273434
My subhuman negroman

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Best BSD for Linux compatibility?

>>58274298
FreeBSD

>>58274358
Why

>>58274691
Because OpenBSD dropped their Linux compat layer

>>58274801
I thought NetBSD was better with compatibility then FreeBSD

>>58275085
NetBSD is better for architecture compatability, not OS compatability. Want to run NetBSD on your toaster? It can probably be done. I've seen NetBSD installed on a SHARP X68000 at AsisBSDCon, CE Palm Pilots, Sparc64 machines, alpha architecture, many types of evalucation boards for embedded stuff, many RISC based CPUs and IA64 as well as SGI machines and many Japanese-only platforms which no other software supports.
The philosophy behind NetBSD is to provide a servicable OS for all basic computing tasks, that can be run on as many different kinds of devices as possible.
FreeBSD, on the other hand, focuses exclusively on IA32 and AMD64 (and possibly ARM in the future, if it becomes tier1).
Finally, OpenBSD is entirely about security.

>>58275329
Given that crazy level of compatibility, wouldn't that make it an ideal candidate for a smartphone OS base? Why haven't we seen a NetBSD-based Android competitor?

>>58275329
>FreeBSD, on the other hand, focuses exclusively on IA32 and AMD64 (and possibly ARM in the future, if it becomes tier1).
With the implication that it's focus is at getting the best preformance out of the tier1 platforms. Tier2 platforms have some overlap with NetBSD, especially in IA64 and sparc64 territory, but there are different use-cases for each.

>>58275363
There is BSD licensed code written by FreeBSD developers for FreeBSD in Android. They recently integrated bspatch, and there's probably more too. However, Android is exclusively targeting the ARM platform, so they don't need compatability for anything else - there's multiple companies making ARM chips, but all follow the instruction specifications so the only difference is the binning process for each production run in how much preformance they can eek out.

>>58275363
Android had/had NetBSD core utils
Blackberry 10 is based on QNX which uses NetBSD packages
T-Mobile Sidekick/Danger Hiptop at one point used NetBSD

>>58275402
s/bspatch/bsdiff/

>>58275417
All of this is also true, thanks for reminding me.

Android also uses libc, libdl, libm, and libpthread from FreeBSD.

>>58275467
From the BSDs, rather.

>>58274801
proprietary linux software fucking sucks anyway

>>58274801
It didn't work well and nobody used it, why keep it? DragonflyBSD is better for a linux compatibility.

>>58276605
The only program I ever used it for was the best of its kind – Opera 12.

>>58276631
For the people who did use it. Now I've got to use SeaMonkey and it's broken for i386 so I have to use Firefox on my 32-bit devices.