He does have a point.

>>58234628
>He does have a point.

His point is that they didn't make a better device for cheaper.

That's not a point, it's wishful thinking, and childish naivety.

Yeah, it's on the top of his retard hat.

>>58234628
Microsoft was targeting professionals, not poor NEETs.

>>58234628

Fatass is still butthurt at Microsoft

It would even be more awsome if it was a $10,000 for $100!
So close!

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People in the thread are chastising him but he's making the exact same point you retards are. Fucking ironic.

>>58234628
>if only they had used even better hardware then they used right now, and cut the price by a third, making it totally unprofitable, it'd be great!
What a fucking retard.

>if i had just built my own pc instead

>>58234628
>CHEAPER
>GTX 1080

Dumb guy

>>58234983
These far superior specs only cost me 1343$.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Q6gqNN
Let's say that the AiO case +monitor is worth 1000$ more to me as a consumer. Even with a hefty markup, a comparable studio should only be around 3000$, MAYBE 3500$. The closest surface only has a 980, no ssd, and costs 4100$. The guy has a point.

>>58235335
That's why people are demanding that microsoft should release the screen-only version.

Like I do.

I own a Cintiq 27QHD. Got a Surface Pro 4 for xmas, it's been pretty nice to have around. Looking forward to eventually getting a Studio for some drawing and painting work.

>>58234628
It's nice to have all this beautiful hardware coming out of MS, now that apple's mac division is practically kill. It would be nice to have one of these if I had money. It would be really neat if Linux could be installed on it.

>>58235335
They aren't targeting GAYYYYYYYMER faggots who stay in their mom's basement all day. This is a device for professionals.

>>58235519
> "professionals" need lower specs

What kind of professionals? Certainly not computing professionals.

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>Specialized system tailored to high-end designers/artists which value the active digitizer screen and clutter-free setup because those things are more important in their job than component customization or raw processing power, or even affordability

>OMFG!11 WHY CaN"T IT HAVE A GTX TITSANUS 1069 23.5GB aND RGB LeDS on the SiDES!!!!1!
>LOok I CAn BiuLD A FASTRE DESKTOPW TIH moRE RAm FOr $1337 less
>Links build
>WHy ITs DOEsnT" IT CATer TO MY nEDS EVEN thOUGH It"S Crlearly Not AImeD for My Pr0 GAyMING LIFESTYLe AND I alreayd LInked What WoulD be ThE BEst OPTIOn for SOmeOne With My NeeDS

>How CAN SUch Devices Exist ITS LIKE People Have DIFFERENT NEEDS and Tastes BUt thats Impossible EVeryone Uses THeir PC to only PLay game like Me

I make enough in a month from furry porn commissions and patreon to buy two of these

>>58235590
Tell me you're magic

>>58235335
Digitizing monitors are expensive. The closest to the one offered in the Studio is a Cintiq 27QHD DTH, and that's a $2,500 monitor.

The 1080M would have a legit use for people in the Adobe ecosystem because of the GPU acceleration that you get with Photoshop, InDesign, and especially Premiere. But a Quadro would be even more useful for people doing CAD/CAM.

>>58235534
Graphic/VFX artists.

>>58235628
when you're half decent at art you're a god at furry art
when you draw furry porn and you're half decent at art you make more than college graduates

>>58235534

This isn't 2008 anymore

Even $600 Laptops can handle the whole Suite from Adobe, PS, AI, AE, PR, etc, and also AutoCad, 3DSmax, Sketch

a Gayming GPU is way more than enough for these tasks, even currently integrated ones are more than enough give how GPU's performance have increased exponentially compared to CPU performance

There is a small of amount of graphic professional who might really need a lot of processing power. But the number is smaller

That's why the Surface Studio doesn't focus on raw performance, because no matter how many gigs of ram or better gaming GPU you add, those professionals that really need the performance they get a custom made system instead of a maxed out consumer-device

for the other big majority of graphic designers and engineers, the surface studio is more than enough for their work

>>58235549
Consider recalibrating your sarcasm detector

>>58235534
>specs
You mean like a high resolution, 2048 levels of pen input, and perfect color calibration under multiple picture modes?

>>58235666
I dunno why, but InDesign chokes like a fucker on Intel integrated shit. Premiere does, too, but that's because Mercury Engine really needs a good GPU for realtime effects.

>>58235335
The display alone is worth about 1200$. 28" and 4500x3000, with touch-sensitivity. It puts Wacom's high end stuff to shame.

The comparable tablet/display from them, the Cintiq 27QHD, has about a quarter of the resolution (2560x1440) and will set you back 2000$.

The Surface Studio is incredibly well priced and specced out. It's an exceedingly aggressive move from Microsoft into a space that is dominated by gluttonous companies that barely move the dial every time they want to release a new product.

>>58234628
>if it was better it'd be better!

>>58235745
You're pretty stupid and tend to miss a lot of things in social situations.

>>58235762
and?

>>58234628
Damn, whatever said, Surface Studio is pretty much an OK productivity PC. Would want one, actually.

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>thunderbolt

Atleast try to hide that you're a mac fanboy

>>58234682
They should have had a 1070 in it given it's launching after the 1070 has already appeared in dozens of laptops. Shameful that a $3000 computer launching in 2017 is stuck with a 2 and a half year old 28nm GPU.

>>58234628
>following a fatso
>following any e-celeb
you dont have a job, right?

>>58235997
He worked at Microsoft and only owns an iphone. Thunderbolt was developed by Intel in conjunction with Apple, which is why there are non-Apple computers with Thunderbolt ports. Thunderbolt is easily the best point he made in that tweet, as it has numerous uses.

I'll give you a chance to redeem yourself by pretending your post was bait, and that I naively fell for a feeble ruse.

>>58235335
>>58235733
Why are you putting dollar signs behind the numbers?

>>58236061
Yeah, Thunderbolt really is a must for any computer that is not otherwise upgradeable.

>>58236054
You realise you are statistically just as likely to be overweight as most people on this board due to what this board and website are, right? I'm not assuming you're overweight, but it's likely you're out of shape enough for that comment to be stupid.

>>58236084
Not to mention having extra displays and USB hubs. Plus you'd run out of room for storage in that thing fairly quickly, so having quick, external mass storage would be useful for content creators with huge RAW files.

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>>58236061

You do realise that tech that uses thunderbolt is virtually non-existant? USB pretty much won the monopoly, I just don't get why Apple is trying to cuck everyone into USB-C and require 5 different adapters.

I don't even own anything that uses USB-C, it's still years off from mainstream adaptation

>>58236040
Autism speaks.

>>58236084
>>58236107
Thunderbolt is a meme. USB type C is cheaper and has almost exactly the same functionality. Yes, thunderbolt is faster, but with USB 3.1 at 10 gigabit, I can't think of anything you could do with Thunderbolt that you cant do with USB c.

That said, the machine doesn't have type c connectors either.

>>58236197
Thunderbolt is literally external PCIe, USB is no comparison

>>58235733
>The display alone is worth about 1200$.

more than that desu, ~$1,500 for the panel and I wouldnt be shocked at another $500-1000 for digitizing it.

>>58236237
That's great for bandwidth, but again, what is the application? Perhaps external GPU, but I think the direction GPUs are taking makes that irrelevant; you can already put a full 1080 in a laptop.

A Hummer is an incredibly rugged vehicle that can't really be compared to a 4 door sedan, and yet most people drive a sedan. Do you ever wonder why that is?

>>58236372
daisy chaining is the primary advantage.

having such large bandwidth allows for many different high bandwidth devices on a single port.

>>58236054
>following
Did you even see the image?

>>58235549
>trying this hard for sarcasm

>>58235519
>trying to build an insult around a group's demand for adequate price/performance ratios

Sorry, not cutting it. "STOP THINKING LOGICALLY OR YOU LIVEI N BASEMENT!!!1"

Yo, this thing is shit, but this dude is still a fucking blockhead. At that point, it would not be profitable

>B-bu-but I can byld a peecee that's better than that for less
Anyone who says that is missing the point, and is just as big of a dolt as that guy.

Yeah, go ahead and build a PC in that size and form factor. Oh wait, you can't.

>>58236263
Yeah, meant to hit 2 twice and fatfingered it.

Either way, that whole setup is well worth its price, and to a professional artist this thing is a gold mine.

>>58237378
Yeah people pretending it's overpriced simply have no idea what a digitized panel with that size and resolution costs, it's literally a one of a kind product at the moment, and it's price is perfectly in line with competitors. Even less since the competitors are generally less resolution anyway for similar price points.

>>58237624
People that actually buy this shit already know this.

>>58237624
I heard creators don't like the pen compared to their wacom ones

>>58236072
Probably he's from europe.

You know, putting currency sign before the number is retarded. Do you read $300 as "Dollars Three Hundred"?

>>58234628

Barnacuck confirmed for braindead retarded.

>>58237648
Yes and that is why they've apparently doubled their expected shipments.

>>58237701
A relatively small investment compared to the rest of the machine to be fair. It's something that will almost definitely be improved on.

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>>58234628
>if this device was sold at retail for less than the cost of its BOM and had such powerful hardware inside that it would have to violate the laws of physics to stay cool and have an acceptable battery life, it would compare favorably to other devices which don't have these advantages

YOU DON'T SAY

>>58237706
I am one of those posters and I am from America.

Putting the currency sign before the amount is pretty fucking retarded.

>>58234628
no wonder his son is autistic

>>58237701
Yeah It's a first generation product, I'm not shocked it isn't perfect.

However, not everyone needs it for super precision, some people just want an interactive touch display with large resolution for viewing CAD files or video editing. Being able to scrub through a video with your finger directly on the editor while having the source file be displayed in full res at the same time is GREAT.

It's not JUST for drawing.

>>58234628

At $1000 cheaper he's essentially saying either the GPU or monitor itself should be free. Maybe in your dreams, not in real life.

>>58236040
>They should have had a 1070 in it given it's launching after the 1070 has already appeared in dozens of laptops.

Launching, yes. Designed? Unlikely. The 1070 needs very specifically designed cooling to function at these slim designs, just look at the inside of a Razer Blade or similar laptop.

The design was likely done and being manufactured when the 1070 hit.

>>58237706
It's still weird. Especially when you know how dollar sign and cent sign work in English.
It's a throwback to an older time when small currency was actually relevant.
Dollar sign goes in front because you're in front of the decimal place.
Cent Sign goes behind the number because you were behind the decimal.
$10.00
10¢

>>58237729
You should have been taught better.

>>58237701

The pen itself is fine, I like it on par with my wacom, the issue is that the pen registers as pressed when you're about 1-3mm off the surface, which is a really common action and leads to little tails leading into and trailing off your strokes.

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>>58234628
Honestly, if the MacBook Pro 13 with Touchbar had a PCMCIA slot, RS-232, 6 USB-A ports, D-SUB, Wacom Digitizer, 3.5" SAS HDD caddy, external antenna connector, WiMax, SFP slot, 10Gbit ethernet, 56k modem, port-replicator, a Zip-disk drive and was $600 chaper it would be a game changer device!
So close Apple! pic.4chan.org/cI4Ni66eR$

>>58234873
/g/ is filled with morons news at 11

>>58234873
>>58237860
I have no use for Surface Studio, but I can see how it would benefit illustrators. TBQHWYF, Apple should have done this a long time ago, but they are an iOS media consumption company now. Microsoft is simply taking advantage of the void Apple left when they exited the desktop / prosumer / art professional market.

>>58237929
For whatever reason, Apple is completely alienating creative professionals as Microsoft releases one great product for them after another.

>>58236160
There's a shit ton of TB3 shit. It's how I've got my monitor plugged in and my USB Hub. Hypothetically someday, it might also be how I have an eGPU.

>>58237706
Not who you're talking about, but I'm an American who also writes it as 500$ because that's how I say it.

>>58235335
Why an extra cooler for a i7 you're not gonna overclock?

yeah my pc would be better if it had 3 gtx 1080s, a i7 extreme and I got it for FREE!
$0
that shit'd be perfect

>>58234628
>Lenovo puts Nvidia Quadro cards in their professional notebooks for CAD software since forever
>professional workstation for artists and architects has shitty underpowered last gen laptop GPU
o-ok

>>58238160
This is more geared towards illustrators and gfx artists I believe. Neither need Quadro cards.

>>58234800
youre an idiot

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>>58238160
>Quadro
>Professional

>>58237706
(Identifier)Value

Yes.

>>58236372
Multiple monitors, external SSDs at their full bandwidth with TRIM support, docking stations where everything runs over a single port.

>>58235335
>less than 1000$ for the monitor
Try 2600$

>>58237836
https://www.atto.com/products/thunderbolt-devices/thunderlink/thunderbolt3-to-40gbe/TLNQ-3402-D00

I don't know why they are so fucking expensive though. But still you can theoretically have 4 of those on your macbook.

>>58237706
just write 300 dollars if you want to avoid the autists.

>ssd
Um what? It doesn't have an ssd? The fuck is it using?

Also 1070 would be a huge boost sure but it's a timing thing. Next model will use it im sure.

>>58239997
Nah it's $1000 cause his made up numbers just "feel" right to him.

>>58234628
Fuck that fat lard man. Hopefully he dies from diabetes soon.

>>58235645
True, but you're like the slut/whore of the art world.

>>58241216
Note how I said as a consumer. A display of that resolution, plus a wacom drawing tablet would cost approximately that much and provide nearly the same functionality.

>>58242422
But that's a bullshit cop-out excuse.

A motorcycle and Honda civic will give you the space to carry groceries, people, etc, and a fast bike for going fast and having fun.

but a Ferrari is still a totally different animal and can't be directly compared.


A normal monitor and a drawing tablet is fine for people who just want drawing input.

However, this monitor is FAR more than that, video editing, CAD/3D design work, photo editing, etc.

The pen functionality is certainly a majordraw of the device, but there are more use-cases than just as a drawing tablet.


Being able to scrub through video while editing in full resolution would be ideal for video editors. That has nothing to do with the wacom aspect particularly though.


It's a one of a kind product (more or less) with a price to match.


No credible argument can be made that it should cost less unless you're just ignoring the technical marvel that is a highly touch accurate 4500x3000 IPS DCI-P3/ Rec 2020 display.

>if things had better specs and a lower price it would be a game changer

You could say that about fucking anything, what a worthless statement to make.

>>58242598
I guess it isn't aimed at me then. Wonder how much a standalone monitor would cost though.

>>58242742
Compared to a similar Wacom device, probably around 2500-3000$.

>>58242742
$2500+ if the specs are anything to go by, just look up any comparable products and they're all $2000+ easily.

>>58236385

Daisy chain like scsi that doesn't lose speed. That is what impresses me.

>>58242742
https://us-store.wacom.com/Product/Cintiq-27QHD-S01?sku=DTH2700&gclid=CjwKEAiAqJjDBRCG5KK6hq_juDwSJABRm03hcGPetXXllfeM8gWXKBydFsUeoyGfi6g8Zu0yFkhvUhoCWArw_wcB#/undefined1

This is the most comparable one. And it has a resolution of 2560x1440 instead of 4500x3000 that the Microsoft has.

>>58235549
>GTX TITSANUS 1069 23.5GB
>23.5GB

kek

>>58236040
>>58234628
its competitors are 2000$+ monitors from wacom, and this goes above and beyond their nearly 3000$ offerings.

All this needs to be great was a pass through for the display so when the hardware inside is no longer enough, it can still be used, but realisticly, whats inside of it for an art use would last the next 3-5 years and by that point the monitor would usually need to be replaced anyway.

>>58234628
No he doesn't. Also I'm fairly certain that is the guy that was fired from MS "beta-testing" and never managed to find employment since because he is a fat sack of shit and not worth hiring.

The salt is real, his employer is going strength to strength after putting the trash like him out.

>>58235534
Microsoft is targeting "professionals"

In marketing language, "professionals" translates to the retards who feel intelligent for spending lots of money outfitting their office with excessively expensive equipment under the guise that they're boosting productivity when in reality it's all about looks, ego and design.

TL;dr Microsoft is trying to encroach on Apple's market.

People who keep on saying that:
>It's adequately priced, compare it to the 27QHD and slap an extra 1k on it.
>Yeah that's something we could expect from Wacom if they had a 4k digitizer for sale"

You forget that Wacom is overpriced to hell and back in the first place.
Only reason why they managed to push their prices so damn high, was their total control over the market and all patents, which made them the unchallenged industry standard for ages.
Back in 2010 or so, their patents expired and the Chinks started entering the game.
They're pushing out products that are more than solid regarding their hardware and the prices are 50% of Wacom's.
Only problem is their support, which might or might not be there and this is kind of a major one.
The drivers on Chinese products more than often are utter shit, which makes Wacom more than a good option, but the hardware itself is good and sells for half of the Wacom's prices.
So no, it's not adequately priced, not by a long shot.
It's expensive as shit, with a retarded non upgradeable laptop system built into it, which in turn eats 5 years at least from the lifespan of this thing.

I think that they shot themselves in the leg her big time, because this is way out of the price range of hobbyist artists.
Where as people can still relatively easily squeeze out 1800$~ for a 22HD or even 2300$ for the 27QHD.
But there's no way that we're going to see masses of youtubers doing art on these 4500$ behemoths.
They should have sold have sold the digitizer panel separately.
This is going to flop hard unless they get businesses buying it.

>>58245925
Stop being a hater

Shut up and consume more products

>>58245925
>They should have sold have sold the digitizer panel separately.
And they'd still easily be charging $2500+

I imagine they might even eat part of the other hardware costs to fit the panel into the lower model price bracket.

>>58234628
Is this the "I'm so fat that I eat computers" guy?

>>58236372
The point is that you can't just open up a laptop and put whatever the fuck you want in there.
Manufacturers can do whatever the hell they want.
Consumers can't. Thunderbolt gives them a choice.

Without Thunderbolt, the Surface Studio is otherwise perfect.

>>58245258
source?

Macfag wanting Nvidia when all of the Macs come with AMD.

lol

>>58245925
The Linux drivers for those offbrand cheap tablets are excellent.

>>58250581
>namefag thiking that his opinion matters

lol