/NAS/ - General

>>58211372
Years ago I tried making a JBOT with loose drives, and an older P4 Dell I had featuring a $12 SATA card, a jerry rigged PSU, and FreeNAS

It ran fine for a bit. I was able to set it up as a network drive, and had okay write speeds. around 24mb/s cause of all the mixed drives I had lying around. Mostly UBS 2.0 externals, and some 500GB WD Blues.
Totaled to about 3TB. Not really usable tho cause of the low speeds, and lag.

Gonna buy an Asus router and make it to a NAS with some HDDs

>>58211372
Buy youself a cheepass towerpc with enough 3,5" slots.
Install at least 8GB RAM
Install FreeNAS
>profit

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>>58211372
I've been doing my research and I'm almost ready to jump the gun.
I want to build a NAS to backup family pictures/videos and to store my pirated stuff (plex/kodi).
8 bays is a minimum. Any recommendations?

I've looked at FreeNAS (and the FreeNAS Mini) but I want to be able to gradually grow my nas by adding drives - ZFS can't do that and that's a dealbraker.

Syonology's DS1815+ looked really interesting (cheap, popular/community) but QNAP offers much better specs for similar price so I'm looking at that now.

>linking a fucking Linus video about NAS
fuck off

What a cheap Nas for 150$?

>>58213270
>>I've looked at FreeNAS (and the FreeNAS Mini) but I want to be able to gradually grow my nas by adding drives - ZFS can't do that and that's a dealbraker.
You can do that with ZFS. You can add any number of vdevs you want. The catch is that each vdev needs to bring its own redundancy, so you must add at least two drives at a time (mirrors) or more (RAIDZ). What you can't do is remove a vdev once its present.

But if you're thinking of eight drives as a minimum I'd really just use a general-purpose computer instead of looking at dedicated NAS boxes. They're more capable and customizable, and once you're at eight bays and above you're out of the consumer space. If you only need two or four bays a cheap consumer NAS will be less expensive than building a computer to do it, since there's economies of scale in selling those things. But business and enterprise stuff gets a lot more expensive.

>>58213972
>The catch is that each vdev needs to bring its own redundancy
Yeah I know - but having all those vdevs is quite inefficient. Otherwise I would buy a FreeNAS mini xl.
I'm assuming that with Synology etc I add a drive and they re-build the RAID5 or w/e to make full use of it.

>use a general-purpose computer instead of looking at dedicated NAS boxes
Building a DIY FreeNAS box with >8 bays that is cheaper than a synology was quite hard imo. Current build totals 1031 euro (C2550D4I + LianLi case and noctua fans though).
I don't have the time to hunt for cheap supermicros on ebay or deal with some ugly giant case I have to mod manually.
Maybe I should look at FreeNAS alternatives... but I quite dislike linux.

Could you point out how a self-made box is more "capable and customizable"?
I've looked at the feature set from Synology/QNAP and they are quite exhaustive.

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>>58211372
Don't use a freenas, use OpenMediaVault. It has more hardware compatibility, more software in the repository and better stability.

>>58213292

What would be a better link?

>>58211372
I did a FreeNAS build based on a Xeon L5640.

Problem was that I didn't have a Server and using Jails for server functions on FreeNAS seemed inefficient.
Now I use it with Windows Server 2012 R2 Datacenter and couldn't be happier. It's also super expendable, I have two IBM M1015, giving me altogether 24 JBOD drives with onboard Sata controllers. Also they give me staggered spin up on the drives by default which is great since they won't fry the 600W PSU this way. I also have edited the drivers to allow disc spin down.

I'm using Drivebender on the fileserver VM with the drives passed through. I have redundancy copies on certain folders with important files. I have disk balancing disabled so I'm only writing new content to a single active drive (and in case of redundancy folder a second drive) and most current content is read from that drive (mostly by Plex) as well. When the drive is full it will be shut down and not used most of the time.

So between the low power Xeon and the drive spin down, the whole server with I think 21 connected drives is just using less than 80W typically.

All this has the added benefit that you can just plug drives out of hotswap and read the content on any PC. Another advantage is that I have visualized everything and can just get a new Motherboard, CPU and RAM and have it all up and running again really fast.

I planning to do that soonish. I will get basically a new server (something along the lines of a E5 v3 ES) and will swap out the L5640. The L5640 will then get new drives and be my FreeNAS again to which I will back up my main server to on a monthly schedule.

By the way the L5640 is real trooper, it transcodes four 1080p 10bit x265 files in realtime, but since there are times that I have more than four people watching Plex, I don't feel comfortable only getting x265 content, which I would really like to do since it would save a ton of storage space. Plus I want new hardware wile I'm getting an extra backup.

>>58216511
>windows
Why not esxi?

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>>58216511
By the way, only reason I restart the machine is updates like two times a year.


Also another reason for my wish for upgrade is more RAM for more VMs. My board limits me to 6x 4GB ECC DDR3 which is a pity and another board would be way to expensive just for that.

>>58216568
because I got a free license from Dreamspark and esxi is wants my money.

Also Hyper-V is actually really not bad at all (although I'd like some USB passthrough)

>>58216609
The hypervisor is free. Vsphere is monies.

>>58216635
Uhm ok, I didn't realize that, since it wanted licensing when I looked for a download to check it out. Anyhow honestly I didn't check all that much since I had the free license and knew 2012 R2 already well from work.

Just how easy is to to setup FreeNAS ?

I've honestly been leaning more towards out of the box solutions from Synology or QNAP since I just want things to work

>>58216690
I would suggest checking it out when you do your next build. Also it's very easy to use a key generator to get yourself vmware keys for vsphere and etc if you end up liking the product

>>58216725
very, but in the case of a catastrophic failure (read: array can't be rebuild) you are royally fucked.

>>58216732
I might just do that, since Hyper-V VMs can be converted and I'm pissed about Server 2016 updates anyway to which I would need to upgrade for the new Hyper-V versions.

And 2012 Hyper-V has some really annoying shit, like making me unmount all drives before restarting the fileserver VM.

>>58216725
Just go with OpenMediaVault, works on more machines and is less prone to fail.

>>58216854
>making me unmount all drives before restarting the fileserver VM
Literally what?

This is not an issue I have.

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>>58211372
imaj bord.

>>58217298
I'm liking the choice of case here.

>>58217298
noice

i like those bays

>>58217231
It starts with more than 6 physical drives passed through. The VM just won't start no matter how much RAM you give it unless you unmount most.

>>58213270
>I've looked at FreeNAS (and the FreeNAS Mini) but I want to be able to gradually grow my nas by adding drives - ZFS can't do that and that's a dealbraker.

http://www.openmediavault.org/

>>58217907
>>58217231

Six is just a guestimate by the way. I just unmount everything and pass it through after VM has booted up.

I tried to fix it by using another VM (tried 2012 R2, 2012 and 2008), so I don't think the guest OS is the problem. Also I had this issues in different versions of Hyper-V and my host OS has been up to date. I really think it gets buggy with too many physical drives on the virtual SCSI controllers. I also tried shutting down all other VMs and giving it all memory straight up without dynamic allocation.

I'm really at a loss why I have this issue or why it persists. I just figured it was a problem in Hyper-V.

If you have an option to test this, please do, it should definitely happen with four SCSI controllers and two drives passed through on each or with three SCSI controllers and three drives on the first and two on each of the other ones. If you could try that, that would be awesome.

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>>58218103
here's the configuration that fails, but it's far from the only configuration.

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UART + WD's DX4000 + 12tbs = pure bliss

Anyone here share their pinouts?

>>58213270
quick question.
how many TBs of space do you have for family picutres and videos?
i've managed to scan a few hundred images and save them to picasa and it only took up 10GB. 990GB left. or something like that
how many TBs of pirated material do you own?
i personally download tv shows and movies and then delete all my tv shows after a year.
movies i end up deleting after 3 years.
i download about 100GB of movies/shows a month and yet my 4TB drive is 60% empty.

>>58211372
Ignore this thread
>old computer
>use samba
Thank me later, because I just saved you $300

>>58212322
Why the fuck would it need 8GB of ram?

>>58218895
wtf are you even trying to do?
Tell you you are not using uart for ftp

>>58218103
>>58218178
No screenshots handy, but our standard testing build stack is a pair of Dell R620's each with 4 MD1120's. 15-20 drives are presented to each VM as JBOD and then the VM handles everything with Storage Spaces.

Zero issues.

Do you get anything in the event log? The other thing to consider that if you're presenting that much storage to a VM, use storage spaces on the vhost and just present the pool instead.

>>58215039
>c2550d4l + Lian like case

Nigger no wonder it's expensive.

>>58217298
Your USB3.0 ports are cockeyed.

>>58220624
I know, and it actually bugs the shit out of me.

>>58217298
what do you use the dual optical drives for?

I'm sure some people have one optical drive because it's lying around or because they might as well get one for fifteen bucks in case they need it. But nobody has two unless they have a use case for it.

>>58221031
Not a recent pic :-) Used to burn CDs on it for local acts. It was my DAW box.

>>58213773
check out HP Microserver gen8, is slightly more expensive but you get rewareded for it

>>58217298
Why not add more 3.5" or 2.5" drive bays instead of dual optical drives and memory card reader.

I am out of space to put more drives in my server and looking into getting a DAS. Any suggestions on keeping the costs down?

>>58221103
USB hub and a shitload of cheap USB enclosures

>>58216511
BSD jails are only containers, not full blown virtualization, so there is very little performance impact.

>>58219524

What is "ZFS" ?

>>58216511

>Windows
>expendable

hmm

>>58221088
There are another 14 bays inside.

>>58218980
>Deleting things
What are you going to do when skynet goes online/nuclear holocaust happens and there is no more internet to download things from? I bet you are going to be feeling pretty bored at that time.

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HP Microserver N36L
OpenMediaVault (transmission, samba, ssh)
1x 2TB Drive
PoE swtich (it was cheap)
WiFi bridge (router is too far away for cable, internet is slow anyway)
Desktop is connected into the switch, (3x1TB drives + 2x SSD)

I used to have a Dlink share center NAS, this thing beats it in speed by 2-3 times.

The NAS can't really do plex encoding, but I might add in my old i7 laptop into the system. I also have a few atom laptops that I could also use for things

I plan on getting a few more drives sometime next year

>>58221717
How much did you payed for It? I was planning to buy this as well and using plex on it too.

>>58223804
Its a dual core amd, its not enough for plex on the fly encoding

I got it on eBay for $110 AU, no disks.

Just bought this and a raspberry pi
http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/seagate-seagate-backup-plus-hub-8tb-3-5-usb-3-0-external-desktop-hard-drive-stel8000100-stel8000100/10453010.aspx

I'm gonna serve muh movies, tv and music over my LAN

>>58213292

Fuck you, Linus literally INVENTED Linux, he knows his shit way better than you.

>>58224188
kek

>>58211372
remake thread without Linus cancer

>>58219754
Sadly not and storage spaces is impractical since drivebender is a lot better than storage spaces and wants physical access. But good to know that it should work.

While googling now I found that using that many SCSI controllers might be the problem and that the limit per SCSI controller is 64 drives anyway. I can't remember why I'm using so many anyway.

Anyhow thank you.

>>58221263
Care to elaborate?

>>58216424
Wendell FreeNAS video.

>>58218980
I estimate that all the digital stuff from my family will be around 200GB.

So yes its mainly for the movies and tv shows that I would like to keep.
It's extremely easy to pirate stuff right now - but I'm afraid it won't be in some years.
Also - I watch a crazy amount of TV/Film, since I have no friends or love in my life.
I currently have about 9TB of content.

It's mainly the 3TB of FLAC music that I would like to protect in the NAS - sourcing that stuff again will be a nightmare.
Especially since what.cd went down.

>>58221501
I actually believe this will happen.

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You all need to upload your stuff in peer-to-peer networks to avoid losing your data.

If your storage fails is gone forever, if one storage in a larger network fails, is not gone forever.

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>>58211372
I am looking to make a 8TB RAID0 inside my PC. Last thread was here >>58211205

I need HD recommendations.

Which is faster? 4x 2TB or 2x 4TB drives in RAID0

I care about speed, and low noise. The data stored there is not important.

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Anyone have any experience using an Odroid or a Pi 3 for a NAS? I've been interested in setting one up but I don't know if it's worth the hassle or cost.

>>58228633
i'm using a Pi2 for nextcloud + music streaming. it works but it's painfully slow, i can't imagine the Pi3 is much more responsive

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I think more and more about a home server/nas, but can't afford it atm, and don't want to buy something cheap. Would an old t410 with two old drives in it + usb 3.0 adapter + usb 3.0 external hdd suffice for a baby's first nas ? Currently I have at my disposal 320 7200 rpm, 500 5krpm, and I could buy another 1tb for the external drive. What OS should I choose ? OMV?Or some debloated ubuntu... there was an infographic circulating /g about setting up ubuntu for server.

I want to mainly have a local backup of our daughter's photos, backups of the computers and maaaaybe some media storage. Or should I do this with my raspi/orange pi zero?

>>58228633
you might want to take a look into orange pi zero since you are limited to USB. at least it's dirt cheap.

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>>58229387
found it

>>58228633
This guy >>58224161 here
I'm using a Pi3 with a filled 5TB usb HDD right now to serve high bitrate blu-ray content over my network using nginx.
I have had no problems, even with 30GB 2-hour long blu-ray rips, I don't know what >>58228725 is talking about

>>58229407
Instead of Ubuntu, try a minimal install of Debian. You don't want X server unnecessarily hogging up resources on a server you are going to be running headless.

HP microserver gen 8.

All I need is basic NAS to do backups and to host my music for PLEX (no video transcoding, just music). Will a Synology NAS be fine? I currently have 2 4TB HGST drives mirrored which is plenty of space.

>>58229407
Why not just install freenas?

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>>58229891
>>58229980

the OS would be the last detail, I hope the old laptop part would work.

>>58224114
Just have it send the data to a external NUC for encode

>>58229980
>FreeNAS
>without ECC RAM

not a good idea though.

>>58229387
enjoy your electricity bill, also what the fuck did you need the image for?

Also servers without ECC RAM in general is never great.

>>58229940
Why would you use Plex for music? It's horribly inefficient.
Then again Synology NAS is overpriced garbage anyway, so carry on.

(and yeah even the crappy overpriced entry level Synology things could do that)

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>>58230235
i just have the picture saved, i think it looks neat in that enclosure.

I don't care about the electricity bill if it does to job for a 1st server, also would be more fun

>>58230263
I heard this board was autistic bitter cunts but Jesus.

If you can offer a solution that's as streamlined as Plex for all my devices I'd love to hear it. There's really no point for me to build my own machine if a Synology can do it for not that much more.

>>58216596
>6x 4GB
Almost all boards will work with the 8gb dimms.

>>58230291
>I don't care about the electricity bill if it does to job for a 1st server

You don't pay for electricity, do you?

A super efficient server is like 120 USD a year or here in Germany it would be 360€ a year.

Your average repurposed computer running 24/7 would be 360 USD or 1000€ a year.

So yeah the cost difference alone would buy you even in the US server grade low power hardware within two to three years.

>>58230508
How is 1 USD ~3 euro ?

>>58217298
I like those bays.
I was considering getting some hot-swap drive bay things for my rig that I use mainly, cause it'd help with things like making a quick clone of a drive for work and stuff.

Are those drive bays trayless?
Do the 2.5" ones work okay with the thin-ass SSDs we see lately? (I know some trayless bays have an issue with different thickness drives for some stupid reason...)

>>58230570
No, but while 1 kWh in the US is 12 US cents, in Germany it's about 32 Euro cents.

(mostly because reforming the energy production to regenerative resources. And we don't only have to pay for that, but also for shutting down nuclear power plants earlier than contracted)

>>58230619
1kw where I live is tiered and the highest tier is 36 cents US. Always in that tier.

>>58230432
>Almost all boards will work with the 8gb dimms.
Oh thanks for letting me know, sherlock.
Actually I thought so too and initially ordered 8GB ECC dimms, but it won't boot with them no matter the BIOS version.

If you don't believe me it's the Supermicro X8SAX

>>58230658
So worst case it's almost as bad as here. So maybe you should give a fuck about electricity cost after all.

Freenas with 32gb ECC RAM, xeon 5630l and 6x3tb WD reds. Working on getting 10gbe to get more speed

>>58230305
Subsonic or Ampache
Check out dsub if you use Android.

>>58229940
When I wanted music streaming I tried Plex but something was really shitty about it, don't remember what. I ended up with Subsonic. I quite like Subsonic for music. I ended up switching to Emby for video too.

>>58230719
I have a Supermicro board from the same era using a Xeon W3680 and it also limits me to 6x 4GB dimms.

I've got a home server built out of consumer components, i5 4570S with 12GB DDR3 I had around for various reasons. Storage is 6x3TB WD Reds in RAID6, looking to add 3 more in the near future. It's running Debian stable. I'm thinking of switching to ZFS RAIDZ2 once I got 9 drives, though I'm not sure if it's a good idea without ECC RAM. Rather than trying to get better reliability out of a single machine I'm leaning more towards setting up a decent way of doing offline backups (of everything, not just important shit which I already have in multiple copies). That way my data would be safe even if the entire machine blows up, no amount of ECC or fancy file systems can do that.

What's better:emby or plex?

>>58211372
I have 4 HDDs to put in a box. What RAID should I use? RAID5, plus a single "whatever" drive? Why am I reading about how RAID5 is evil and shitty now, when it was billed as a good way to prevent data loss? Is there truth to the naysaying?

>>58232570
plex.
Emby was the /free/ option but now it also costs money.

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I'm looking to either get a NAS or make one for a potential gf. She's an attorney and she buys a new laptop each year mainly due to her storage being filled up.

I would assume she would want to be able to access her files on site and off-site. They're documents (pdfs, word files) pics and videos and maybe emails. I had some good headway on a few products but my concern is security and reliability. She got cryptolocked this year and id rather not tell her to put all her shit on the drives and they fail within a year either or get conpronised. I've just learned about this today so I'm a complete noob btw.

>>58217094
this is what im using currently
really easy to set up

>>58232660
Emby is still open source if you care about that.

>>58232641
Just don't use raid, there are tons of issues. Go with a software solution for redundancy.

>>58233209
This is the thing though, with a NAS and a proper endpoint backup, she could have just restored her laptop to the last working condition from scrap.

As for security you don't really need to worry, even quick and dirty explicit FTP over TLS is plenty secure enough for even enterprise remote transfers.

>>58232641
just realized I didn't answer your question. The "new" issue is that drives are too big and the time to rebuild an array takes so long that there's a good chance of another drive failing, destroying all data. Hence HP (I think or maybe it was IBM) started not recommending it anymore on drives over 2TB (guesstimate, don't recall)

Anyhow just don't use it.

>>58232570
After using both I prefer Emby, it's a better fit to my usage scenarios. Its built-in Swagger UI API documentation along with the external player feature in the web UI and with the very useful network share paths it can serve to clients made it possible for me to get playback using MPC-HC on my computer, while still keeping the library in sync very easily. The Kodi addon also has better integration than the one for Plex, since it actually syncs everything to Kodi's library rather than being a totally separate thing like Plex. Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but I think I also had issues with incorrect tags/metadata in Plex, Emby allows me to edit the odd error by hand even after it's retrieved from some online service. Emby has some premium shit too, but I never used it and honestly don't even know what features it provides, same with Plex.

>>58232641
Every drive can sometimes misread a bit. This is normal and can happen with any perfectly functional drive. The issue with RAID5 is that you only have a single disk worth of redundancy. If you lose a single disk, you can restore the array by adding a new drive and rebuilding from the others. This is where the bit read error rate comes in, if the drives are very large, like modern ones, the statistical chance of one of them misreading a bit during the very intensive rebuild operation is high. This can break your recovery procedure and maybe even fuck your data if the drive with the error gets flagged as broken too. With RAID6 you have 2 disks worth of redundancy, so if ANOTHER disk fucks up during a rebuild your data is still safe.

>>58233599
Exactly, a few dollars saved could be the way to her heart since she claims to be so frugal

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is this good /g/?

>>58233755
It's the same with Alienware computers. Sure they do the job, but they are expensive for what they are and you could get something much better for less money.

Also to complete the analogy from above, if you have to go with a Dell Precision or Mac Pro for the same money. (read: get a Synology or if you have to Qnap).
They at least have decent Software.

>>58233599
What exactly is an endpoint backup?

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Hey guys, whats the go to best 4tb hard drive for bang for buck deal right now?

>>58228633
Buy the Odroid C2, has a gigabit ethernet in contrast with pi which has some problems like it says >>58228725

https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/vdsvsJ
vs.
https://www.synology.com/en-global/products/DS216j#spec

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>>58230508
ah fuck it, then i will use orange pi zero / raspi with a single external hdd until i can afford somethink more decent-ish

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So the general opinion & best practice of this thread can be summed in buying a used hp microserver, right ? Btw does it really have that much better power consumption ?

Odroid-XU4 + Cloudshell case + 2.5" HDD/SSD

You get a NAS/seedbox for under $200.

>>58233711
>Not having an array card which can continue rebuilding on an error so you only loose a stripes worth of data
>Not using enterprise class disks with an order of magnitude better unrecoverable read errors

>>58234019
A software that will backup the whole client to a server and keeps that up to date (also preferably one that does incremental backups and just saves the differences to the last one). As in Veeam Endpoint Backup.

>>58234106
You should get different drives anyway. If you just need one I'd recommend the backblaze blog

>>58235619
neither 65W TDP on that CPU is terrible for that little performance. So I'd get the DS216 if you would force me to choose, otherwise I'd save a little and get used server hardware

>>58237455
The HP microservers actually is not a bad choice, it just has really limited expandability, so keep that in mind.

>>58237901
>enterprise drives
are you insane? The whole point of JBOD and pretty much all software storage solutions is that you can avoid buying good storage drives.

>>58237464
I second this. Should be on the OP if possible.

>>58224188
Linus didn't invent shit. He literally copied UNIX, very very poorly.

>>58217988
OMV is the most unstable, sluggish piece of crap I've ever attempted to use as a NAS. Not to mention that RAID56 quite literally lost all the data on it within a week.

Does anyone have an ideal for powering two HDDs and two raspberry pis on a central power unit?
What should I get for something like that

Can somebody explain the point of a NAS to me?
As far as I understand, it's basically an array of disks accessible via your network. What's the point of that?

>>58237901
If I'm going to spend 2x more on the whole storage solution I'd rather buy twice the number of HDDs and use half of them as offline backup rather than patching together some shit that merely reduces the risk of data loss rather than completely avoiding it in all but the most extreme circumstances.

>>58241454
it's accessible via your network

>>58241192
Really? Im fucking about with it right now as a possible replacement for my Ubuntu server installation. Care to elaborate on your issues?

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guys my FreeNAS shit itself and I don't wanna ask the spergs at the FreeNAS forums
I'm running it in a VM inside of Proxmox, dedicated 8 GB of ECC RAM to it and PCI-passed through a HBA
It's non-critical data, was just running it as an experiment. Went fine for half a year

now this shit happened http://pastebin.com/N5Q7WFRF

what went wrong?
I have a cronjob to restart my router every night, is it possible that this lead to an error when a device was doing a backup to the ZFS pool?
or was there a power outage maybe?
I don't really know how to read the smart status but seems the drive is fine no?

how to proceed

>Used 12C Xeon v4 ES from Fleabay from Japanese seller for 100$, 1.6GHZ/core
>ASS-Rock mini-itx X99 motherboard for 250$
>Proper Noctua fan since it's the only one available for that mobo/socket, 50$
>Node 304 for 50$
>Cheapest retail HDMI-capable VGA for 20$, if need be
>256gb NVMe SSD for host OS, 150$
>2x3TB WD Reds for 250$

Ubuntu LTS Minimal for host, ZFS for storage, Docker for services like Plex, SSH access over Cat6.

All this shit to find out that my basement is not properly grounded from the previous owner and now the box is sitting still, waiting for an electrician to come as I type this, before I plug it back in. Loud to use now that the drives are installed.

>>58241961
Plus, I'll get some more drives, now that my Christmas bonus is here. Case can take up to 6 drives.

>>58241757
Install openmediavault

>>58241757
>what went wrong?
You are running a Frankenstein freenas mess instead of a proper NAS. You expected something else?

>>58242026
>>58242037
Setup theoretically should be fine.
>It's non-critical data, was just running it as an experiment.
It's a study to see how viable an all-in-one box with Proxmox and FreeNAS passthrough is for real data.
Obviously something went wrong, but I need to pinpoint the origin of the error before I can judge how viable the setup is.

So unless you can actually contribute a theory or gain some info from the SMART output don't bother responding.
As I said, If I wanted useless replies I would just
>ask the spergs at the FreeNAS forums

>>58217298
can you give us the parts list and specs?

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>>58219534
UART to access BIOS and bootloader in order to change the crappy limited OS it comes with.

>I USE UART FOR FTP
...fucking kek

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How do I set up an ftp server in Debian so I can watch movies from my tablet?

I installed nginx (debian) and it started a local server on my network. So I can now just make a homepage and it'll serve the files via Wi-Fi, right? how do I know this website isn't being broadcast online? Right now it starts automatically upon boot, how do I stop this? How do I start it manually (probably nginx)

t. noob

>>58213773
>>58221080
I bought gen8 with g1610t for 120e. It had 8gb of some ddr3 ram, didnt inspect that closer, but ordered immediately a xeon 1220Lv2 off ebay for it.

Gonna virtualize pfsense, use this neat little box for firewall, nas, webserver and openvpn server at my parents place. Shit's gonna hopefully be well off for 10 years.

>>58243778
On my local eBay they seem to get over 200€ and they only have 4gb and a 1tb HD if you are Lucky. Where did you get yours?

>>58243882
Second hand. Looks like brand new.

Previous owner upped the ram and kept the disk which probably came with it.

>>58243778
>>58243882
>>58243980
They're great boxes. I found a 1240v2 for it for £80 which was a very decent bump in performance. They seem to go for £170 new, g1610t and 2-4gb ram.

What country? Amazon have them around the same price sometimes. Also some websites have cash back deals every now and then.

okay, if a whole server is an overkill, I should go for qnap/wd/synology? Afaik QNAP a shit, but I've used to configure a couple in my ex-job, also one or two wds. Is synology the /g choice? NOw comes the other part - There would be no point in getting the cheapest 1bay enclosure, right?

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>>58244284
Owner of a Synology 12 bay here, I'm happy with it. VERY easy to use. The OS is actually great, and the built in Download Manager is a great torrent client, and it even downloads YouTube videos and a bunch more for you.

>tfw one of my WD Reds died
>tfw waiting for RMA

>>58244092
There are no cashback deals ever here (Northern yurup). Everything is expensive and on top of that high sales tax.

I usually order everything possible online and in case of new stuff, generally from Germany.

I chose specifically 1220Lv2 due to low wattage requirement as power outages are common and my ups isnt high capacity one. 1220Lv2 was pretty expensive for the computing power what it offers..

>>58213270
Get a PC and use windows pro with dynamic disks.

You could get a case like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352049

Or this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816215222

And if you get powerful enough hardware, you can set it up as a hypervisor and run whatever servers you want.

inb4...
>Not hardware RAID
Windows software RAID controller works with all sorts of different capacities, brands and speeds. It's fine for home use. He's not fukin running god damn google FUCK

>>58241192
Shame on you, telling lies on the internet.

>>58244704
thank you for the input.

is there point in looking for a 2nd hand NAS enclosure, ideally with hdds? or just the enclosure, and hdds new ?

>>58243447
Care to tell how you do that? I have legitimate interest.

>>58245346
If you can pick one up cheap then why not? Depending on your RAID config I'd recommend prosumer drives at least.

>>58245622
Synology DiskStation DS215j for 100 euro without HDDs, i think it seems fair... new 2 bays are like 150

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I have a server that is running out of spots for hard drives, do I need a new bigger case to add more or can I attach a case to it somehow so it thinks they're internal drives?

>>58244902
>Windows software RAID controller works with all sorts of different capacities, brands and speeds.
Badly, sure.

RAID is dead. Long live RAID.

Pooled storage is the future (storage spaces / LVM / new stuff I don't know about yet).

In short, please research before giving advice, so you sound like less of a drooling retard.

>>58246095
>I have a server that is running out of spots for hard drives
As in running out of SATA/SAS ports? Or actual hot-swap/internal bays?
>do I need a new bigger case to add more or can I attach a case to it somehow so it thinks they're internal drives?
See above

>>58246097
>Badly, sure.
How is it so bad? It works fine. I probably wouldn't use it in a business setting but for home use it's fine. Explain why it's not suitable for home use please.

>research before giving advice
I work with this shit in a production environment every day. If he's trying to run google then yea I agree my suggestion won't cut it. Your suggestion is enterprise grade shit (lots of $$$) for a data center; not for some guy's family photos and movie collection.

Is there any way to calculate average idle power consumption of a nas build before testing it? I mean, it would be nice to know if what I'm going to assemble will get even close to a synology home nas wrt, as for energy efficiency.

>>58246095
>dat pic
Jesus christ, give that girl a sandwich.

>>58247581
Not him but pooled storage is certainly not enterprise stuff.

Easiest solution even with your regular windows suggestion would be drivepool or drivebender.

And RAID is shit on so many levels as I explained above. (large drives, bitrot, rebuild times, fails to rebuild, etc) You will only do RAID strictly for high performance settings (as in RAID-10) otherwise you should always go for storage pools with redundancy where important and actual backups.

>>58246334
I think he meant physical space and knows about SAS controllers...

And I somewhat doubt he's up for the cost of a disk shelf.

>>58246095
There are SAS controllers with external SAS ports. So look for external SAS or SATA enclosures.

>>58247585
Well, it's hard to tell, will the CPU be under load most of the day then you can calculate with the TDP. (it will actually run a little higher than the TDP, but it you won't have it running 100% of the time at full speed).
Also keep in mind that speedstep got a lot better and even the motherboards can make a difference how well speedstep works (especially on 32nm chips)

Then like 2-3W for each dimm module and like 6W for each active HDD and about 5W for random stuff, plus 5W per expension card (SAS controller etc)

It won't be accurate, but not far off either.

>>58247585
oh and also don't get less memory because it ruins energy efficiency. In every halfway decent server memory is essentially the bottleneck.

A friend of mine gave me a Dell PowerEdge 2800 Server, I'm not sure if it is worth using it but I haven't really looked into it, Here is the user manual with available upgrade-ability:

http://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_ser_stor_net/esuprt_poweredge/poweredge-2800_user%27s%20guide12_en-us.pdf

>>58250076
*here

>>58211372
>tfw cucked by isp datacap and can not longer use my NAS the way I have been for the past couple of years
What happened to the future we were promised?

>>58246334
Internal drives and I have no more space for more. I want more drives but recognized as internal

>>58247915
Thanks

>>58241454
>>58241548
It's also accessible if you travel, and people usually just end up using them for their own servers

Found a DS509+ with a couple 1TB drives for $140 and a DS216j with no drives for $125 on craigslist. Which would be the better deal? The DS509+ seems to be an older model but is it still any good?

>>58243502
pls answer

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>>58247581
>How is it so bad?
RAID itself, either hardware or software, is block level. When you miss-match speeds, sizes, or media types, you end up creating just that much more complexity in your redundancy.

Much like RAID 0, just because it works doesn't mean it's a good idea.

>I work with this shit in a production environment every day.
Doubtful. Because if you really did, you'd know the cost of 2nd cycle gear, and understand that it's not nearly as expensive as you make it sound to be.

HP G6's & G7's, Dell 410's, 610's, etc. All the LGA 1366 gear is being retired. Even first generation LGA 2011 stuff is going away.

I'm about $1000 into pic related, $350 of that was the switch I bought new directly from Dell (X1018P).

Laptop is a Latitude E6320 with no LCD because broken. It's a RDP jump box and runs MakeMKV. (i7 2620M / 8GB / 250GB SSD) - $90 for SSD because black Friday.

Top server is a Dell PE T620. 2x Xeon 2660 V1, ($100 because minor damage), 128GB RAM ($250),12x 2TB Hitachi Ultrastars (refurb - $19 each), 2x 250GB SSD's ($90 ea, black Friday special) - Runs Plex and my entire lab environment.

Bottom is a DL380 G5 - 2x 5440, 48GB RAM (6x 8GB FBDIMM) and 8x 146 10K's (RAID 10) - $49 special from a recycler. Runs a 2nd lab environment for some automation testing.

Yeah, it's messy. I'm cleaning my office.

>>58247874
>Not him but pooled storage is certainly not enterprise stuff.
Actually, it is. It's RAID (software or hardware) with miss-matched disks that's not enterprise, and not worth messing with. The drive pooling software (storage spaces, zfs, whatever) will allocate storage and balance between drives for whatever volume as needed. It expects miss-match drives, and can be configured for tiered storage as needed.

>>58243502
>>58243502
>>58243502
>>58243502

>>58228420
Striping (RAID0, not striping+parity which is RAID5/6) is per definition not RAID.
Enjoy your dataloss, mate.

I have a Supermicro X11SSH-CTF with 64GB ECC UDIMM, a Xeon E3-1280 v5, and 14 8TB WD Red Pro in a Fractal Design XL + RaidSonic IB-554SSK, one 128GB L2ARC SSD, two 32GB SLOG SSDs (mirrored) running FreeBSD with / on a zpool consisting of two 7-drive vdevs in raidz3+cache+mirrored log giving me just under 60TB of usable diskspace.

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>>58254853
How do you use all that space?

>>58255150
I have only 48TB but family pictures mostly ;)

>>58255150
Being a digital packrat with scene access, a music collection that's entirely flac, being in the habit of keeping unique/rare stuff as far back as the early 90s, and serving as backup target for mine and my familys computers (both at home and at work).

>>58254451
>>Not him but pooled storage is certainly not enterprise stuff.
>Actually, it is.
>hurr durr

I know what it is and I use it myself, hence the suggestions for 3rd party implementations for home use. Jesus... maybe you want to read more than the first fucking sentence, which was meant against categorically for business.

>>58255600
And how many hours have you spend perusing your collection?

>>58256461
That's not the right question to ask - a better question to ask is, how often do I remember something from 10 or 20 years ago, and then am able to find it again because I've saved it?

As to my music collection, I have my music player set to shuffle albums and there's basically not a point during the day at which it isn't playing.

>>58255914
You seem butthurt m8. The other guy is right, accept the truth.

I want to get a 4TB drive to use as a general backup of all my important things, so I thought I would get two and use them in RAID 1 for redundancy.
Since I don't need networking features or anything fancy, I thought I could get something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/ORICO-Aluminum-External-Enclosure-9528RU3/dp/B0185253EC/

The .com link doesn't have any review, but in my country's version there are many and are mostly positive:
https://www.amazon.it/ORICO-9528U3-Alloggiamento-dischi-Type/dp/B00WHQVL8A/

Is there something I should be wary of?

>>58256696
Yes I was, since I was saying the same thing. Are you trolling me?

I built one using a miniITX board and FreeNAS. I've had two major issues with it. The first is that I used four 4TB Seagate drives (tried to cheap out and obviously that was dumb) and had one of them develop 32 offline uncorrectable sectors after just a few months of use. The re-allocated sector count is still 0 though, so maybe it'll fix itself when my next scrub happens, but I doubt it. The other problem was FreeNAS had somehow fucked up and got stuck on a certain version and I couldn't fucking update the thing, even after reboots, but it finally fixed itself after I ran the tool that verifies the installation.

>>58216732
Best is to use various technologies to best protect your data. I use esxi with Freenas, a Synology box, various cloud offerings and good old DVDs stored off-site for the essentials.

The synology box is replacing an old Openfiler set-up which experienced a catastrophic hardware failure with all 5 disks shorting out.

>>58257027
Is the software it uses ok ? I was looking at some cheap ZYXEL enclosures, but all the reviews had mentioned atrocious software

btw i think orico is a chinese brand, maybe you can find it cheaper there or /csg

>>58257027
>>58257753

in amazon.de someone says the fan is loud and like a vacuum cleaner, other one says it had problems detecting one of the hard drives

>>58257753
What kind of software does it need?
I only need to put two drives in RAID 1 and use it once in a while to move files in and out of it.
Unless it's really buggy it should make no difference right?

>>58257790
I don't really care about the fan, but the drive detection thing might be a problem.
I hope it's an isolated issue and not the norm.
I'd use two identical WD Reds with it. Apart from having a defective one there should be no problem, right?

>>58252549
SAS my man

>>58252549
fiberchannel, my dude

>>58230263
>Synology NAS is overpriced garbage
I wish this user actually used one before spewing bullshit. Sure it's not enterprise level but it does quite a bit for the price. Cheaper and more reliable than making my own.

>>58224161
>pay $339.99 for storage
>pair it with a $35 crap SBC
Enjoy your 100mbit ethernet.

>>58259128
I wish you would use something else before spewing bullshit.

I'm a sysadmin and we actually have a DS1815+ in a corner of our small offices away from our two datacenters as tertiary backup site. It hasn't even ECC and still is a solid as rock and I really really like the software and the web interface.

It's still overpriced af, but
>more reliable than making my own

is just plain wrong. How could it be more reliable than something that uses ECC RAM and has redundant power supplies, checks disks on a sector level for bit rot and has far more redundancy options. All of that I could buy for significantly less money.

IT'S NOT BAD, BUT ITS FUCKING EXPENSIVE, which was what I originally said. And comparatively with everything I could buy for the same money, it's OVERPRICED FUCKING GARBAGE. Exactly like a Mac, just Macs are comparatively a steal for their value proposition.

Why we still use the Synology DS in an enterprise setting? Because it's for backups that we will never use and we can't buy used server components. We could have built it ourselves from new parts but between the cost of labor and the maintenance if something did go wrong would be to expensive.

>>58261558
>it's for backups that we will never use
that's not how murphy's law works
backups are only useful when you don't have them.

>>58233209
Ok, you'll need a nas and ovpn servers. For nas, maybe get microserver with ecc and set up zfs pools with automatic snaphots. Its super easy with freenas/nas4free. Then you'll be able to recover cryptes files quickly.

If you'll go with 36L or 40L, you could find one used for 50-100usd without disks.

For openvpn, you could either virtualize it (like I do), or get a pfsense and you'll get firewall/router/openvpn in one package.