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>>58209083
fuck off generals need to die, if you can´t build a pc you should fuck off to reddit

do lower ram timings equate to a significant performance improvements when it comes to ddr4? how big of a jump would i see from a set of 15-15-15-15 @3200mhz vs a standard 16-16-16-16 @ 2400mhz. I'm looking for improvements in terms of rendering videos and 3D rendering.

>>58209083
Is there an autism section for the mentally challenged? You would fit in well.

What's a good budget graphics card that probably won't be used that much?
I don't really play games on PC that require a GPU. It's mostly used intensively for emulation and some game dev stuff.

>>58210345
750ti. I don't really know the AMD equivalent.

>>58210433
They're more expensive than I was hoping for.
Right now I've got an RX 460 which has double the memory for around the same price but I won't use the card that much .

My specs:

I5 6600k (scared to OC because I don't understand much about it, so I permanently ramped it to 3.9ghz)
H115i
16gb DDR4-2400
Gigabyte, Z170, SLI board
1060 Gaming X 6gb
Strix 970 (mostly used for mining)
600w PSU
240gb boot SSD
2x1.5tb HDD's for storage
Blu-ray drive
Black Phantom 530
Razer Naga, 2014
Razer Blackwidow Ultimate, 2016
Pair of cheap, but nice, bassy speakers
27" 1080p main monitor
1280 by 1024 secondary

Not an amazing build, but more than enough to be relevant for several years.
Thoughts?

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Here is my updated high end pc build. Any glaring flaws?

When I get my pc it's going to be placed on the ground with a carpet. It's not a shag carpet or anything it's flat but I was wondering is that bad for the computer?

>>58210559
also I don't know why the monitor says zero dollars..it said I purchased it but I'm pretty sure I didn't so I don't know what that is about...

>>58209130
i fucked off to youtube, then 10,000 review sites, and now im back.

>>58210559
oh god that motherboard lol

GAMING

more like

SCAMMING

and and over kill psu for a build that wont even need more than 400w max.

just scrap that build son.

>>58210559
>Using air cooling for a "k" CPU
The fuck are you planning doing, a 200mhz OC?
Go with water cooling. Better for higher overclocks requiring a lot more power going through the CPU.

>>58210646
>water cooling
>being any better than a high end air cooler.

think again fucko.

Has anyone ever bought Windows off Kinguin?
Is it legit?

>>58210615
over 400w bud. How is the motherboard a scam?

>>58210706
>In a thread about PC building
>Not know that water is more thermally conductive than air>>58210840

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>>58210926
but there is more air in my room than water and ive got this big fucken heatsink with fans.

>>58210840
what does that board have that you need?

>>58211112
LEDs!

xDDDDDDDDDDDD amirite like OMG?

>>58210537
Build is mediocore and buying an unlocked CPU but not overclocking it is stupid.

>>58211096
Doesn't matter. Water being much more thermally conductive, and easily putting the warmth from that water into the atmosphere via a nice sized rad, will always provide better temps, especially when overclocking.

>>58211140
>Implying I'm not learning about overclocking
I'm nervous that I may break something I put a couple hundred bucks in. I do plan on OC'ing the thing, but I've had it for less than a week.

Are there any known /g/ recommended guides out there for setting up dual monitors?

>>58210615
>>58210840
>>58211112
Max amount you should spend on a MB is 100€. If you dont want to OC and have 1 GPU a 50€ one is more than enough. I always cringe at retards that spend more for their MB than for their GPU and CPU

>>58211176
wtf do you need a guide for retard? put in the cables in the gpu and connect them to the monitors

>>58211141

Good water cooling will. Most AIO's are utter shite that can't beat those top end air coolers.

>>58211188
Shit like resolutions and what to do when common shit happens like a video on the second monitor slowing down games or shit on the first monitor.

>>58210559
It's stupid.
Mobo is just retarded, cooler is minimum for i7 OC, 3000 RAM is cheaper, that's a budget case, don't get it for such a build. If your PSU isn't G2, get the G2, Keyboard is trash.
Also, do NOT listen to this retard: >>58210646 >>58210926 >>58211141 Noctua NH-D15 shits on most AIO coolers.
This >>58211177 is also stupid. There's nothing wrong with buying more expensive mobos if you're going to use them, just don't buy meme (((GAMING))) trash.

>>58211203
Well, I get about 14°c idle, even with it permanently at 3.9ghz. I'll see how far I can push the thing later, when I'm not nervous I'll break the thing.

>>58211263

>Well, I get about 14°c idle

No, you don't. Unless you live in siberia that is.

>>58211162
provided your cooler isn't made from cheese, it's literally a case of going into the bios and changing the multiplier/ratio to something else. you could probably just type in 42, save and exit and change nothing else and it'll work perfectly.

then once you learn a bit more you can start trying to push it more/changing voltages etc.

>>58211309
I don't mind posting pics, if necessary.
Room is shit right now because family members bright their kids. Expect temps around 18°c.

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>>58211263
>I get about 14°c idle
lol no

>>58211324
The temperature sensor on your CPU claiming that it's at 14C is different from it actually being at 14C. Those things are notoriously inaccurate at low temperatures.

>>58211324

>getting sub-ambient temps

lrn 2 thermodynamics.

>>58211259
Stop trying to meme the poor retard into buying a """""premium"""""" NZXT/Corsair case you autist.

Also, OP said hes not gonna OC, why should he buy anything but a 50€ mb?

>>58210840
>over 400w

thats what you get for buying shitty power hungry components.

>>58210559
Chroma's left click will die in a year.
PSU if you are going this high end, why shit out on the PSU. >G2 or go home.
Motherboard is over priced junk.
Your PC case is utter funking cancer.

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I'm considering a downsize from my Define R5 as it turns out that I don't play PC games all that often and having such a big case that I will never fill is a meme. I'm thinking the Define C would be good since it lets me keep the rest of my components. I am however, looking for a premium build case that's fairly compact with good storage capability, solid top panel, and dust filters. I don't like case windows, but modding can fix that.

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>>58211465

>400w

When slammed my system probably pulls best part of 600w and i'm only using a single cpu and gpu. I had so much fun overclocking this lot and the shenanigans I had to pull to get there.

I could push 5ghz on the cpu but the mobo can't take it unless I have it on an open bench with more dedicated vrm cooling.

>>58211411
I never said anything about NZXT/Corsair you autistic retard.
>OP said hes not gonna OC
No he didn't say that you illiterate retard.

I want to make a Vaporwave-ish PC with nice fucking a s t h e t i c s.

>>58210537
>scared to OC because I don't understand much about it
I'm the opposite.

I'm putting my 2500k to its limit, not caring if it breaks so that I'd get a justification to be a consumer whore and buy a new CPU but it's a warrior. Running at 4.7GHz 24/7, still not broken (its over 5 years old now)

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Budget build that anon from last thread helped me with.
Mostly going to be used for emulation and game dev stuff. What's the consensus?

>>58211783
>emulation
>i3

Dude...

>>58211731

Once I get my zen build up and running my venerable 8320e is going to do a suicide run - I will rig up loads of my spare fans (including several high rpm delta fans), bust out a truly ancient gpu I have (assuming it even works) and simply clock the cpu as high as it can go. With a bit of luck I will break 5ghz on a motherboard no way in hell rated for the sort of power draw that will require (I suspect just shy of 1.5v).

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Not for PC, but what's the verdict on SSHDs?

I am considering a 1TB one for my PS4, but I generally don't trust Seagate

>>58211950

Hybrid drives are terrible.

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>>58209264

Not sure about how the timing affects the performance, but Mhz itself does have an effect with this stuff.

>>58211829
Won't be emulating anything more than GameCube games at most. My old laptop could run Melee almost perfectly.

So I'm in the process of buying a new PC (CPU, RAM, Mobo) since my current mid-range self-built from ~2007 just isn't as fast as I'd like anymore. I'll be using my old ATI 4870 and the other components/peripherals of the old PC.

The decisive performance intensive applications are graphics and photography work, namely running Lightroom, Photoshop, and Illustrator usually at the same time while having a browser with a dozen tabs open.

Ideally, I would use Linux and have the Adobe programs run in a VM as seamlessly as possible; as the seamlessness is an important aspect, I'm not sure about that yet.

tl:dr;
>Adobe suite with large and many files, possibly inside a VM

Right now I'm thinking 16-32 GB DDR4, with a 120GB SSD, which ever speeds fit in my budget.
What I'm wondering is: i5 or i7? What will be the likely performance bottleneck? # of threads, single thread performance, or amount, or speed of ram?

Also, not really the topic of this thread, but if anyone has experience with Adobe products running virtualized, I gladly read it.

>>58211950
How much space do you really need?
If it's just 1TB you should go with a pure SSD instead, fucker.

>drive wood

I overclocked a 6600k to 4.4GHz yesterday, I think I accidentally underclocked it too and it crashed upon startup a few time. Setting the voltage back to "auto" didn't do anything so I just set it to 1.25v (it started off as 1.2v and online says don't go above 1.3v)
Now it's working perfectly, but now that I actually did fuck with voltages I'm scared to do it again. I increased my voltage, does that mean 4.5GHz might work where it didn't before?

>>58209130
"no"

>>58212466
I accidentally undervolted it at first*

>>58210615
Gaming motherboards usually only cost a bit more than the non-gaming (doesn't have as many VRM heatsinks that are yes usually gaymer styled)

You buy a gaming motherboard because it does perform better.

>>58211259
You probably can't recommend one good motherboard with overclocking without asking to get the DELUXE EXTREME CAD $400 ASUS

Just pay $130 for the gaymen motherboard that allows you to OC

>>58212408
A 1TB SSD is too expensive, especially for a PS4. I just need an upgrade from a 500GB.

>>58211993
Why are they terrible?

>>58212541
Gigabyte Z170X-UD3/5. There you go.

>CAD
A. FUCKING. LEAF.

>>58212617
Horrible reliability, speeds not comparable to SSD at all, and worse price/GB than HDDs
Basically the worst parts of both HDDs and ssds

>>58212627
that's basically a gaymen motherboard right there

ATX is really the only place they will put the gaymen features on your regular motherboard anyway with all the extra spice

if you go mATX or even mITX you wont have any fucking heatsinks unless you buy specifically gaming

>>58212640
you're fucking wrong it loads game files faster which is what most people buy it for

>>58212659
>heatsink equals gaming
Leave this board right now.

>>58212704
that's exactly what it means when they partition what each motherboard is going to be designed for

>>58212659
The mATX version of what he posted has classy black and yellow heatsinks
But I will agree that motherboard manufacturers really like to save their good bits (like gagabyte and all full x16 PCIe slots) for their expensive gay men boards with red paint

>>58212627
The Gigabyte Z170X-UD5 is what i got recently because it was well reviewed for Overclocking and had a lot of power phases, so it wont break for a while.

UD3 is essentially the same.

Most major brands have similar boards at those prices.

>>58212728
No it's not and you are retarded. If you can't supress your canadian urge to shitpost i suggest you go to /pol/ or leddit.

>>58212669
Of course it's much faster than an HDD but it's not reliable in the long term, NOWHERE near as fast as a straight SSD and there would be absolutely no reason to get it of you could connect two drives
Just get an SSD and an USB
expansion HDD

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>upgrade potato for muh gaymes
>get more excited while picking parts, waiting a week for them to arrive, and building it than actually utilizing it for gaming
I will probably just return to exclusively shitposting and musiclistenan with it in less than a week.

>>58212786
pro-tip

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5811#ov

this is what i was referring to with your autism for "professional" and "business" branded stuff. They are just as overpriced.

What's the difference between "desktop" and "surveillance" hard disks?
Surveillance seem to have lower RPM and cost slightly more, is that the only difference?

>>58212813
You cherry picked a gaming mobo with fucking LEDs on it. You might as well have chosen the Asus Pro Gaming Aura.
All gaming mobos are overpriced because of the name tag, normal high-end mobos are not. You should also realize the higher the price the worse it's cost effectiveness, regardless of the name.
You think that only gaming mobos have good features and heatsinks and that is just wrong and stupid.

>>58212850
The WD purps are designed to be writing 24/7 and are not designed to be fast or powered off every day

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>>58211309
>>58211334
Not that Anon, but I actually reached an idle temp of 14°C a while ago in Scotland with an air-cooled system.
It was pretty fucking cold that day.

Thoughts on the Node 304? I want a compact case with good cooling and drive support.

>>58212793
PS4 doesn't support external drives. USB for save data backup and an external for system backup + format is about it.

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>>58212909

>>58212850
from the little that i know about the different types of harddrives you are going to want a Desktop harddrive if youre going to be using a single HDD for regular storage. Since they likely have software built into them to correct Errors. where other harddrives, like Enterprise, are built to be put in Raid, where Errors arent as important since there are redundancies. So if you get errors, it wont fix them.

>>58212916
My PS3 did just fine, I actually had an external drive constantly plugged in and taped to my console and it werked

>>58212965
This isn't a PS3.

>>58211783
Him again.
Would it be worth dropping the GPU to a 2GB one if it's not going to be used all that much? Or would the 4GB be a good investment anyway? Any money from that would go towards a better processor/motherboard.

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All right made some adjustments. Keeping the gaming motherboard because it improves performance....apparently. It seems to trigger some of ya'll. Got rid of the "budget" case, changed keyboard and mouse. I heard some complaints about the cooler- will it suffice? Case comes with three fans.

Thanks again for guiding me through this process guys.

>>58213004
Never go lower than 4GB retard

>>58212976
Then get a PS3 and install gentoo
Or use a PC with multiply SATA ports
Either way SSHDs are trash and your money is ultimately your responsibility

>>58213028
>$396 motherboard
I take back what I said about top tier features being only on gaymen boards, your choice is fucking retarded and the $120 equivalent will be just as capable

>>58213004
>is X better than Y
It all depends on what you want from it, we told you this yesterday and we tell it today.
Imho your main problem is that you don't know what you want. If you're on a tight budget and fear that an i3 won't cut it i suggest you get an i5 and use the iGPU for now.
You can always get a dedicated GPU later on. Also get a used 24" monitor if money is an issue, all my 3 BenQ's are used and in good condition, saved me good money.

>>58213037
why

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>>58213028
>$396.98

what the fuck are you even doing

>>58213028
You retard are immune to any kind of advice whatsoever. No idea why you keep posting here.

>>58213048
Wtf is a PS3 going to do for him when the question is about a PS4

What is /g/'s thoughts on wireless KB/M?

>>58213098
Sad! I've made changes what else needs to be done? I'm getting a different motherboard..

>>58213028
Get yourself a far cheaper fucking motherboard, you don't need one that's fucking $400.
Change the size of RAM you have to 16GB, you probably don't need 32GB.

As for the wattage on that PSU, I haven't measured the watts required to use that system, but it seems a bit much. Try using this website to give yourself a rough idea if you truly need 850W:
http://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

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>>58211317
I did this to 4.3 and haven't had any issues.
Just be sure to turn off intel speedstep or some shit like that.

>>58213139
Allow him to install Gentoo which will fix all of his current and future computer problems

>>58213288
You are an idiot.

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>>58213095
I don't know

>>58213308
>he can't even install Gentoo on his "modern" console
>he didn't get $53 from sony just for installing Gentoo on his PS3 years ago

laser or optical mouse?

>>58213344
Optical so Windows can send high resolution images of your mousepad back to Microsoft

>>58213370
kekd

Are RAM timings important or can I ignore them?

>>58213462
High ram frequency is more important than low ram latency
dont let CAS determine your ram, but if it's between 3000mhz 16CAS and 3000mhz 15CAS, lower latency is a better spec

>>58213333
What does that have to do with a PS4 tho

>>58213462
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWgzA2C61z4
>inb4 LinusShillTips

Do any parts come with thermal paste or have it applied already? Or will I have to buy it separately?
On the subject, is there anything other than the PC parts that I need to buy for the assembly?

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Alright, important benchmarking question. Will a 1060 6gb be able to play tomb raider 2013 at 1440p60 WITH hairworks turned on? Whenever I played that game at release, I had to leave it off. Is the newer game any better, graphically?

>>58213570
CPU coolers come with a little tube.

>>58213554
I'm on about the 5-5-5-12 not the frequency

>>58213583
What about the CPU itself?
I'm planning on using the stock cooler.

>>58213574
>tfw hairworks is actually spaghetti simulator

>>58213596

They generally come with pre-applied thermal grease on the heatsink.

>>58213554
I don't understand how RAM can affect FPS.
Surely it's just how fast your game can load, and once the game is loaded into the RAM it'll just sit there? The texture loading, shading etc. should be done by the GPU and its RAM.

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>>58213647
Well nobody on /g/ knows what they're talking about, what matters is that it does give you them fps bruh

>>58213647

Games constantly switch data to and from ram so the faster the ram the better.

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I'm gonna go buy $16 of macaroni and then overclock my 6600k to 4.5GHz hopefully
Any advice? Do I just set it to 45x100MHz and then bump up the vcore until it stops crashing?

is it worth investing in a somewhat decent motherboard? I.e. one that doesn't have H110 chipset?

>>58213781
depends, do you need the extra features or do you plan on overclocking?

>>58213752

You creep up the multiplier 100mhz at a time and run a stress test on stock voltage until you find out where it crashes. Then you just nudge up the voltage until it stops crashing and repeat. That is the safest way to find out what your chip does rather than yolo and slam 1.3v through the chip and fuck it all up.

>>58213804
Not really, but would the extra bus speed make that much of a difference?

How important are VRM and mosfet heatsinks on motherboards where you wont overclock?

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>>58213752
That macaroni could've bought you a new CPU cooler

>>58213818
Is cinebench run over and over again a good stress test? The most CPU-intensive game I have is Forza and I can never tell if it's crashing due to hardware or due to shitty code

>>58213847
For some longevity at most, but really they aren't if you don't OC. The cooling of VRM/mosfets and amount of chokes is only relevant for OC.

>>58213818
What is stock skylake voltage by the way?
The bios says that it *was* 1.195v but defaulted to "auto", coretemp is saying that it varies between 1.18v and 1.24v, if I take off "auto" will it just be a constant voltage? Is it 1.195v normally or is that a minimum or what?

how is this

http://www.thermalright.com/html/products/cpu_cooler/true_spirit_140_power.html

is it shit?

The last time I built a PC was 2009 and now all my knowledge is out of date.
Should I just buy stuff that logicalincrements recommends or maybe go with a prebuilt base?

what do yo udo wiwhat do you do with your old components when you upgrade?

>>58209083
so I'm buying a PC off of a friend of mine and need you guys to r8 it:

i5 2500k with corsair h100
gtx 1050ti
8gb ram
don't know the power supply or motherboard but he had a 7970 in it before so probably something decent.
bitpheonix prodigy for the case.

It's baby's first computer and all in I'm at 550$, did I do good?

>>58213752
What are you going to do with 10 pounds of macaroni?

>>58213962
Depends. What do you want it for?

>>58213962
You should use logicalincrements as starting point and rebuild your knowledge.

>>58213986
Gaming and general use. I'm not interested in 4k, VR or 3D.

>>58213037
I'm still rocking 1GB at 1680x1050 and it's fine on modern titles. 1080p will be fine on 2GB, 4K needs more.

>>58213950
It's a good cooler, a little pricey but good and Thermalright is a reputable brand for HSFs.

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>>58213984
get distracted and forget i bought it

>>58213998
For general then I''d recommend an i3 and a somewhat beefy GPU. If you're not doing overintensive stuff then you won't need stuff ilke an i5/7 and $500 GPU.
There's lots of room for improvement/change though. If you think you'll need the extra two cores from an i5/7 then go for it.

>>58213998
Sounds like you want i5-6500 or i5-6600K if you want to OC.

>>58213980
You're missing some vital components.
PSU, storage, cooling, KB&M, speakers/headphones, sound card.

>>58213028
If you're spending $2000 on a computer get a god damn AIO watercooler. And please don't buy a $400 meme motherboard.

>>58214040
>>58214042
I'm running a first gen i7 at the moment, won't those be a downgrade?

>>58213980
It's not bad, but I don't think it's worth that much. You could build something that performs equally well out of brand new parts for as much.

>>58214075
Why not just get a good air cooler that will last twice as long and cost half as much?

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I'm getting a new power supply, and I've heard that Raidmax has been shitty in the past, but apparently the 1000w model of the vampire series was decent, So I was wondering if anyone knew if the 700w vampire is ok.

The closest review of it I could find was in russian and the only review I could find of its series was this one

http://www.nikktech.com/main/articles/pc-hardware/power-supplies/5402-raidmax-vampire-rx-1000gh-1000w-power-supply-unit-review?showall=&start=7

It seems that nobody is even willing to touch these things long enough to review them, which sucks since they're like 35 buck after rebate right now.

I was wondering if anyone had any additional info on them.

>>58214076
Oh, then probably.
Depends what kind of stuff you do with it. Does your CPU ever go up to 90/100% with what you do now?
If not then you might as well save some money. No point buying something just in case you MIGHT need it if you never have before.

>>58214076
Lol no. My Skylake i3 is competitive with a first gen i7 depending on the task. A Skylake i5 is at least twice as fast if you overclock it.

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Best brand for the standard 1050? Preferably not full size but I'm welcome to suggestions.

>>58214095
Because if he wanted a cost efficient PC he wouldn't be spending $2000 and spending $400 on a motherboard

>>58214105
>depending on the task
A pentium is better than the best Xeon depending on the task

>>58214054
I don't even know how much memory it has, if it's 4gb I'll buy 8gb anyways.
like I said though, psu should be fine because he had a 7970 in it before. The 1050ti doesn't even have a power pin connector.

Rate this shit:

Define R4 Black no window
i5 4690k
Scythe Mugen 4
4*4Gb G.Skill 1600MHz
Asus Z97-A
Gigabyte GTX 970 WindForce 3X OC
Seasonic M12II-620-EVO
500GB Samsung 850 EVO
Asus VG248QE
Das Keyboard Professional S MX Blue

>>58214124
But he wants it to last a while right? That's what finally enlightened me to not buy a stupid aio

>>58214106
I've had an MSI and a Sapphire 7770 since they released, and a Sapphire 6670 for even longer. I've never had a problem with any of them. Not specific to Nvidia or the 1050, but that's my brand ancedote.

what's the best/easiest way to get w10? buy it or pirate it?

>>58214141
What year is this? 2013?

>>58214128
Yes it does, the 1050 doesnt

>>58214141
Generic slightly outdated high end gaming computer

>>58214150
Download a USB installation media from Microsoft.com

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>>58214170
Prolly not, 970 released in 2014.

>>58214180
I see

I also forgot to add a pic of the droop

>>58214190
It says you need a license to download the toolkit.

>>58214211
Neither of us mentioned the toolkit
Not like it actually does anything for you beyond a cosmetic level

>>58214211
Then don't download the toolkit?

>>58214208
It's not a bad computer, if it was mine I'd be happy to sit on it without upgrades for a couple years. But if you're buying it today it's outdated because it lacks upgrade paths.

>>58214054
>>58214088
forgot to mention 2 things
first, im Canadian so the dollaroo is only like 75 cents to your dollaroo (I'd be paying 400$ for everything roughly)

secondly, he said all it needs is a graphics card to run because he's selling the 7970 separately so I bought the 1050ti to plop in there because currently I am a filthy casual with only like 8 games on steam, 2 of which I actually play.

>>58214208
Your PC is nice, but this sag is sad.

>>58214240
Okay.
How do I activate it if I don't have a license.

>>58214276
You don't
Changing your taskbar color isn't worth paying some chink company $30 for a sketchy reseller license

>>58214300
What other features are unavailable to an inactivated copy?

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>>58213890

Go download either prime95 or Intel Burn Test. I must warn you this is why you only creep voltage up a little (and you have to be careful with your LLC settings) as these two pieceso f software are torture loads - if you can survive a few hours of this (in a perfect world you'd need to pass a good 24hr torture test but eh) and if your cooler isn't upto the job the chip will get very hot and will throttle and eventually crash to save itself.

Pic semi-related - a cpu being pushed out of spec and the motherboard right on the line (the vrms once they hit 70c on this setup hardlock the system).

>>58211688
Old meme

>>58214343
Color, themes, and lock screen settings
All cosmetic and pointless features

>>58214414
Nice, thanks.
Does the accessibility trick to get it free still work?

>>58214428
I don't know I just ignore the watermark I didn't pursue activating it or anything

>>58214449
Does the watermark only cover the desktop or everything you do?

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RIP Kana right mouse button

can 2016 get any worse?

Do you need to download and install any drivers after building a PC? Or are they all included in the hardware somehow?

>>58214513
>Do you need to download and install any drivers after building a PC
yes

Stuck buying a prebuilt for reasons, but is this build any good?

>6th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-6700K Processor (8M Cache, up to 4.2 GHz)
>Win10
>1 DIMM 16GB, 2133MHz, DDR4 up to 64GB
>512GB M.2 Solid State Drive + 2TB 7200 rpm Hard Drive +
>NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1080 with 8GB GDDR5X Graphics Memory

>Up to 4 total 3 HDD/1 SSD; ODD
>4 PCIe expansion slots (x1, x1, x4, x16)
>4 DIMM slots (supports up to 64GB)


Currently using another prebuild I got like 5 years back which is slowly dying on me:

>Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz
>6.0 GB ram
>NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450
>Win7


All I use it for is the odd game, large photoshop documents for print and some light audio editing. Might do some video editing in future if's good at it.

>>58214470
It goes away in full screen mode and also sometimes for no reason

>>58214513
Not if you use Windows 10

>>58214534
Yea. The video card is a bit overkill, but that's probably the best prebuilt you'll find.

>>58214534
>inb4 B150

>>58214614
They wouldn't do that... would they?

>>58214627

You bet you they can and most likely will. Its a great noob catcher.

What's the difference between 6400 and 6400k?

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>>58214627
Just wait, he'll post it

>>58213916
Then there is no problem if i buy a motherboard like
https://www.amazon.com.mx/MSI-Intel-Micro-Motherboard-B85M-E45/dp/B00IZHHBR0/
or
https://www.amazon.com.mx/B85M-G-R2-0-Tarjeta-madre-Micro/dp/B00KO6F8YI/

If all im going to use is a I5-4460?

>>58214534
www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=x5670

www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=gtx%20970

Beef up your current setup. Your use doesn't justify that new shit.

>>58214656
One of them actually exists.

>>58214603
My main thing is just not to have to buy another machine for a few years, if I can get another 5 out of it I'll be glad. But I won't mind if I need to replace bits here or there. To be honest games are just a nice after touch, wouldn't mind playing something made after 2015 and actually not hearing the scream of my current machine which is gonna get retired to a glorified DVD player.

>>58214614
B150?

>>58214687
Meant 6600 and 6600k.
Basically what does the k mean?

>>58214656
There's no 6400k. If you mean 6600 and 6600k, the latter can be overclocked normally and has slightly higher clockspeed. If you're overclocking, get the 6600k. If you're not, the 6500 is better value. The 6400 is something you should avoid, it's clocked so low that you're better off getting an i3 and saving some money.

>>58214670
Note im trying to leave those as last option.
Im planning in getting a Z97 motherboard but the ones i want are out stock and sold by third parties for prices that dont are worth it.

>Inb4 Z97 for locked I5
H97 motherboards apparently dont exist or are always out stock over here.
>1150 instead 1151
I already have the CPU and the RAM i got for free.

>>58214700
B150 is like the lowest tier of skylake mobos

>>58214703
K is unlocked and can be overclocked higher, but you'll need more expensive RAM, Mobo and and aftermarket cooler.

>>58214670
>$1,359.73
What the fuck, what currency is that?

>>58214700
B150 is a budget class motherboard chipset that can't use ram faster than 2133mhz and can't overclock, and because the 6700k is made specifically for overclocking, B150 is basically not the motherboard you want for a "K" CPU, you want Z170

>>58214737
>>58214756
it lists chipset as
>H170 or Z170 with Intel K CPUs only

But I'm not sure which one is in the build, as when they list the ports they also don't list the GTX1080.

what stuff should i buy for assembling a pc other than the parts?

>>58214835
A screwdriver with the right bit.

>>58214835

A good breakfast.

>>58214747
Mexican peso.

1 USD = $20.50.

>>58214835
(Magnetic) screwdrivers if you don't have any, zip ties and maybe some velcro straps for the cable management.
If you're paranoid you can also get some anti-static stuff. You should probably get some plasters for your fingers, you'll need them after you installed the I/O shield.

>>58214835
anti-static strap
thermal compound
power supply tester

>>58214835
I needed a screwdriver and help putting the heatsink in

>>58214896
Will any of the parts come with any internal cable management parts?

>>58214914
How serious is the threat of static shock while assembling a computer? Can power outages ruin the performance of a high end pc?

Also i though magnetic screwdrivers can damage hardware during assembly

I need some good silent airflow fans.
What do you guys recommend?

>>58214957
Zip ties and velcro straps may come with some of your parts, most likely the case but that depends on what parts you bought.
Buy at least zip ties, if you want proper cable management and especially if you're a first time builder you gonna need a lot of them.

>>58214994
what's your budget?

Arctic Cooling F12 can be bought in packs of 2-4 preatty cheaply

>>58214975

>Can power outages ruin the performance of a high end pc?

Not with a good psu. Nor should power surges.

>>58214994

I hear (heh) be quiet!'s silent wing fans are good.

>>58214994
Noctua NF-A12/14 if you don't care about money, otherwise Be Quiet! Pure/Silent Wings, if you're an absolute poor fag get Artic Cooling fans.

>>58214996
Cool, thanks.
Any specific anti static band or anything? What does the clip attach to anyway?

>>58213028
Motherboards do not affect performance, just go for one that's around 200-300 dollars cheaper and save yourself the money

>>58215046
>Any specific anti static band or anything?
Just get a cheap one with good reviews on Amazon, they are basically all the same.
>What does the clip attach to anyway?
Grounded metal. You could also touch some grounded metal before you touch your parts, should be enough.
For example i have my Ikea meme chair to touch, thing hates me, i get electrocuted everytime i touch it.

>>58214829
just hope you get the Z170 over the H170.

>>58215126
So if I clipped it to the PSU which is plugged in to a socket but the socket is off, would that suffice?

>>58214835

You can't build a PC without tobasco sauce.

>>58214975
>How serious is the threat of static shock while assembling a computer?

Fucking miniscule, unless you're wearing static city. Touch something metal that's grounded every now and then and you're golden, fuck straps and shit.

>>58215207
>but the socket is off
What do you mean by this? PSU method is ok, never used it, though.
During school i worked in a computer store and we didn't use any of that stuff, we occasionally grounded ourself by touching the metal shelf, that was enough, no parts broke ever.

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>>58215263

>K chip
>B board

Thoughts on this build?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/x3cRnn

I know you always want to have an ethernet connection for internet, but it is literally impossible for me to get a cable to my computer. I've gone with this motherboard as it comes built with a wifi adaptor. Should I drop my PSU to the 600W Vanguard or keep it at 750?

>>58211731
What vcore ?
2500k user here.

>>58215287
I haven't really put much thought into the board as this is my first build, just trying to avoid buzzwords like "gaming"

what would you suggest?

>>58215263
for overclocking:
z170 motherboard, 3000mhz ram
without overclocking:
i5 6500, h110m

cryorig h7 instead of evo 212
you probably dont need an optical drive
i'd get toshiba hdd instead of seagate
why would you get mini itx 1070 if you're going for atx mid tower case?

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>>58215263
>K CPU
>B150
>3TB Seagate
>mini ITX card in ATX case

Soundcards. In which circumstances are they necessary?

>>58215340
The exact same circumstances where an external one would be better

>>58215335
While your points are valid I have to argue with the first one. Not receiving any sort of BIOS updates just so you can OC non-K Intel CPUs can bite you in the ass after a year or two.

>>58215280
The plug socket has on/off switches in the UK. Maybe that wouldn't work though.
So is grounding literally just touching something conductive that is on the ground? I'm a brianlet in physics.

>>58215334
thanks anon

>>58215335
>>58215287
sorry i'm a retard, i'll just figure it out by myself

>>58215349
So I don't need to buy one? Is the mobo sound processing good enough for games/music?

>>58215329

Not all motherboards support overclocking - B ones do not for example. It is one of the easy pitfalls of Intel's setup (though I guess on the AMD side its dangerous to overclock on lower tier boards even though they support it).

>>58215255
And the poptarts.
Never forget the poptarts.

>>58215301
You could probably get a much cheaper mobo and get a PCI-E or USB wireless adapter instead

>>58215388
Yes unless you have high-impedance headphones or need inputs

>>58215340
When the onboard soundcard fails.

>>58215188
So the Z170 is a decent mobo then? I looked them up and you're right in that the Z170 supports overclocking and the h170 doesn't. So hopefully that means I'll be alright if I get a z170 but either way the build isn't shit so I'll be content with that.

I'm so used to getting totally fucked over by places offering prebuilds that I'm just naturally super fucking wary but it seems like this one might not be shit so that's A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE.

>>58215440
>>58215473
Ok makes life easier cheers.

>>58215301
99% you don't need full tower case. they are massive.
you'd be fine with 450w psu. 750w is an overkill.
it's a better idea to get external pci adapter. it'll perform a lot better.

>>58215301
600w is enough.
Why this specific AIO ?
Any bench/review helped you choose ?
Usually Corsair are the go to choice!

>>58215458
>>58215479
>non K CPU
>Z170
Dude..

>>58215479
ahh fuck i'm a retard, i guess i don't need that mobo now either.

just disregard all my posts

>>58215478
>So the Z170 is a decent mobo then?
Z170 is a decent chipset. Whether the actual motherboard is decent is a harder question to answer without knowing the specific model, but since this is a prebuilt and they appear to not mention the model, well...

>>58215458
>Toshiba
>3TB
>High fail rate
>Non-3000 Hz RAM.
>20 buck CD Drive that you can find for half or lower at a thrift store.


https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tsJgZ8


And for the record, I'd go 650/750w if you want some headroom for overclocking etc.

>>58215492
really i'm sorry i posted those stupid builds. sorry for wasting posts on this thread and your time. i'll do a little more research before embarrassing myself again

>>58215546
thanks anon

also, quints

>>58215479

Out of preference i'd still buy an aftermarket cpu cooler because the stock one is merely functional - when stressed it is very loud because the fan has to scream along. It does not have to be anything elaborate.

That said if you are trying to shave off a few things to bring cost down yeah you can stick with the stock solution and it will work fine.

>>58215546
I actually really like this build so i'm gonna steal it. Thanks

>>58215546
>Toshiba is bad
It's not. HGST is the top HDD brand but imho their old HDDs shouldn't be bought.

>>58215432
I'll take it into consideration, from what I've read online and here, should I still be shooting for a Z170 mobo? In the case of overclocking?

>>58215486
This is my first time building a pc and have been following the logical increments site in regards, to a case. Would there be anything in particular you would go for instead?

>>58215488
Mainly followed the logical increment website in the OP and done a bit of research myself, as I said before I am a first time builder. A lot of the Corsair PSU reviews I've seen have been negative, but I'll give them another look.

>>58215531
Yeah I can find every single piece of info about the build except the motherboard which is a little concerning I'll admit.

When you're ordering components for a new build do you buy it all from the same place or buy from wherever is the cheapest?

>>58215591
HGST is hitachi you dipshit

>>58215613

>concerning

Its a huge fucking red flag and an indication you're being jewed. Given how important a motherboard is if you want to 1) overclock and 2) make use of things like loads of drives, fast ram etc etc them not saying what mobo it is is not a good thing.

Option B is to email them about it and see what they say (chances are they won't say shit).

>>58215689
HGST is Western Digital!

>>58215546
>toshiba has high failure rate
literally not true. losing 1tb of space because "hurr durr 1% less failure rate" is not worth it.

>650/750w
he's more than fine with his 550w, even with overclocking.

>>58215692
It's a prebuilt, it's 100% normal to not even mention the motherboard because it's 100% normal they'll give you the cheapest shit they can

>>58215689
Learn to read you illiterate fuck.

>>58215692
it's Dell so I'm assuming they use proprietary motherboards? The model is the XPS 8910 but so far the only motherboard specs I can find are for the XPS 9000 and 8500. The 9000 uses a
>XPS 435T DT Desktop Motherboard (System Mainboard) - X501H
But I have no frame of reference since it's dell.

I'm planning on picking up a machine in the next day or two and the last Dell machine I bought served me well, so worst comes to worst I might just get it and refund it if they try and fuck me over.

>>58213028
>Mobo costs more than the CPU

Lmao, get a better CPU and cut back on the Mobo you imbecile.

i probably won't use my pc for gaming that much.
is it worth getting a 4gb gpu for it or will a 2gb work fine?

Going to put together my build later tonight and I want to do a 2 SSD RAID. Would the Windows software RAID be enough, or should I try the RAID feature on my motherboard?

>>58215769
yeah I'm assuming they're cheaping out on the motherboard since they'd advertise the shit out of it if it was halfway decent.

>>58215945

Depends on resolution, how high you want your settings etc etc. saying "not gaming much" doesn't help if you mean you don't play very often but demand tip top image quality when you do.

>>58215945
Generally(there are, of course, some exceptions like 3GB 1060) it isn't worth getting the higher VRAM model unless you're betting on longevity or planning on a multi-GPU setup. The GPU isn't going to be powerful enough to run games at settings that would require more than 2GB of VRAM anyway.

what's a great high end motherboard that I can do everything and overclock with that isn't a meme gaming one?

GPU: nVidia GTX 1060 6GB
CPU: i5 6500
Cooling: Corsair H55
Mobo: Gigabyte Z170XP-SLI
RAM: 16GB Crucial Ballistix
SSD: Samsung 850 Pro 250GB
PSU: EVGA GS 650W
Case: Enthoo Pro

This is what I've put together for a gaming PC that I hope will last at least 5 years. I've no real interest in overclocking anything and have hard drives from my current PC for storage.
I'm looking for some input on potential compatiblity/size issues or if there are cheaper components that perform just as well. Thanks.

>>58216156

M5A99FX Pro.

So i have a core2duo e6400e system in the mail
it has the intel G965 chipset, and according to HP and a few other sites, doesnt support 3000 series xeons

However, theres also alot of websites that say these lga 775 boards with the 965 chipset DO actually support the 3000 series xeons, since they were just higher binned c2d's to begin with

either way im only out 7$ for a xeon 3075

anyone have personal experience with something like this? getting xeons to work on non-supported chipsets?

>>58216200
>locked CPU
>Z170
>AIO
>no interest in OC
For what fucking purpose..

>>58216200
>Nvidia GPU
>lasting 5 years

Don't get me wrong, the 6GB 1060 is a great GPU, but based on recent history you're better off getting a 480 if you care about longevity.

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>>58216251

I feel that this is relevant to the point being made.

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Can this GPU that I have installed run CSGO?

>>58216239
What do you mean?

>>58216251
>>58216277
I'll look into this, thanks. Currently using a Radeon 5850 but it's always given me problems and is currently on the way out, does the 1060 have a short lifespan too?

So liquid cooler or high end fan cooler for high end pcs?

>>58216310
>What do you mean?
I mean you should do more research before you waste your money on that stupidity.

>>58216288
No
Minimum of 256mb of vram is a requirement, my 256mb radeon hd 3450 gets around 20fps on minimum in 800x600
However, you can play cs 1.6 naxed out

>>58216338
Depends on personal preference really, a good aio will perform about the same as a good air cooler

>>58216310
>does the 1060 have a short lifespan too?

Obviously it's impossible to tell(except maybe if you happen to work at Nvidia), but it would certainly seem likely.

>>58216355
1.6 > GO

>>58216347
Research what? That's why I went for the cheaper locked CPU.

>>58216373
what about the cryorig h7 49.0 cfm? I was told it was minimum for an 17 6700 cpu. my case comes with 3 other fans

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>>58209083
Ok, I need some help.

My sister wants a desktop computer instead of a laptop... And I've been trying to go cheap on it, since it's her first computer, and I don't know how many games she'll be playing on it (At least overwatch... but anything can run that, afaik).
It's a bit hard for me to suggest to really go overboard, since I'm not that much of a gamer myself.

Anyway, so here's the cheap one I came up with.
>PSU: EVGA 430W 80+ standard $45
>Case: Deepcool Smarter $33
>Mobo: Gigabyte GA-F2A88XM-DS2 R3.0 $61 (really hard to find fm2+ mobo in stock)
>CPU: AMD 880K $101
>GPU: Asus GTX 1050 $151
>HDD: WD Blue/7200rpm 1TB

>Total: $449
Then I have some old 1600mhz DDR3 rams I can give her.
She'll need to buy a monitor, too.

The problem is the CPU, it's AMD, and so pretty bad at single core performance... And even multi core performance. So, it could maybe be bottlenecking the GTX 1050.
Additionally, it's kind of dumb to not overlock this CPU, when you'd have an unlocked CPU and a mobo that allows for OC... But then, buying a CPU cooler would then put the total CPU cost at the level of i3-6100 (which also can't be overclock, so good for a first PC).

So then maybe I should get a i3-6100 instead... But then, I'd have to get a mobo with only DDR3, so that she can use my old ones. Which may be wasteful, and even hard to find in stock.
On the other-hand, i3-6100 is very poorly future proofed, since it's only a duo-core. Though it has multi-threading, I don't know if games will completely accept the threads over cores.

What should I do?

>>58216338
lots of extra space, traditional liquid cooling
regular space, air cooling
almost no space, preassembled liquid cooling kits

>>58216404
Yes and that's why the rest makes no sense.

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I couldn't make this shit up if I tried.

>>58216439
Sorry, I'm still not following you. Are you saying the motherboard is a bad choice? What's a better option?

>>58216444
oh I should probably mention I'm the idiot at >>58215787 trying to buy a prebuilt from Dell that has decent specs with a mystery motherboard. At least they confirmed it does come with the Z170.


That's something, I guess.

>>58216404
why the hell would you go for the cheaper locked CPU on an enthusiast board? go with the fucking H170 chipset, all the same bells and whistles minus an overclocking utility, and you lose one fucking pcie x16 slot

there is no point to having a non K chip on a fucking Z series board, and vice-versa.

lose the AiO cooler, you're looking at a 6th gen non K chip, heat will never be an issue for you. use the stock cooler, or grab a shitty 3rd party air cooler for like ~$20 if it makes you feel better.


you do not need a 650w PSU, once again, you're running a non K chip, on top of that, both gens of your GPU/CPU are super power friendly.

not rocket science, you obviously didn't do enough research. also, 5 years? please. i'm rocking my third year with my GTX 770, and its finally starting to show its age.

>>58216467
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z170-H170-H110-B170-Q150-Q170---What-is-the-Difference-635/

>>58216430
Save up and wait for Ryzen.
Ryzen might cause the Intel Skylake processors to become cheaper, but you will have to also buy DDR4 ram.

Don't impulse buy, you will surely regret it later, like I did.

>>58216499
I read that Ryzen is a $500-800 CPU, so it'll only compete on the enthusiast level.
It'll probably take at least a year until they start to produce cheaper CPUs on the architecture.

Apparently the i3-6100 is overclockable, so maybe it's a good option, then it'll give her some option to possibly upgrade the graphics card, before the CPU is too far behind (but maybe that will happen sooner, since duo-core).

>>58216494
>>58216496
Oh thanks. I'll go with the H170 then, and get a 450W PSU.
My research has only been here and logical increments, I'm a little out of the loop.

>>58216692
You'll most likely only need H170 for SLI. Post your complete build before you pull the trigger.

>>58216661
I3-7150K or whatever the fuck it is overclockable.
not the 6100

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>>58207033
Anyone?

Whats the best cpu and mobo to get for overclock and 4k gaming?

>>58216909
x99 board with some super high end CPU you will wish you never bought a year down the road

you're welcome

>>58216940
so an x99 like

EVGA X99 FTW K Intel Socket LGA-2011-3 with DDR4 3200MHz+ DIMM LGA 2011-3

CPU
Intel Core i7-5820K 0 GT/s 6-Cores FCLGA2011-3 Desktop Processor ?

So I have an 8320 and a 970. What should I upgrade first?

I want a 1070 but don't wanna get bottlenecked.

>>58217117
Yes, buy it and leave.

>>58217132
I'm pretty sure there isn't much of an upgrade for the 8320 without switching to intel or waiting for zen. The 970 really isn't that bad a card either, what resolution are you playing in?

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>>58216780
I won't be using SLI, but I do need a lot of USB and SATA ports which is my main concern when looking at motherboards without having to install expansion cards.
Ideally I'd want to be able to run 4 hard disks and an SSD at once. I also wanted to have 4-6 USB ports so I can leave game controllers plugged in.

The left is more or less what I'm using now and have been using since Jan 2010, with the i7 overlocked to 4.00GHz.
Right is what I'm looking at upgrading to.

how to get a cheap w10 key without being fucked in the ass by shady companies (besides microsoft) and without pirating?

am i better off just not using a product key?

>>58217213
Honestly? I would just get another 3x2GB RAM, a new GPU and call it a day.
Maybe a different PSU, too, Athena Power sounds like it's going to catch fire any time.

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Any idea how I'd go about starting to identify this motherboard?

>>58217284
You could start by reading the type name and manufacturer right above the upper PCI slot.

>>58217209

Ultra wide 2560x1080. It can't handle much at that resolution on max. Gta v only gets around 35 frames.

I'd be for switching to Intel but which should I upgrade first. Do you think just getting a good gpu and holding out and seeing if zen will be worth while.

>>58217273
You know I might just do that. The graphics card is the reason I'm upgrading anyway, one of the ports on it is surging or something and gives me an electric shock when I touch it.
Not sure whether it's entirely the card or the PSU (which is an Akasa 850W but wasn't on the site) but a modular PSU would be nice.

Thanks for the input it's been very helpful.

>>58217303
Sorry, any idea of the dell IPSKL-VM motherboard is garbage or not. I can't find any information about it online.

ASUS Z97-A or MSI GAMING 5?

>>58217311
Gta v is pretty cpu based. I would switch to skylake, if you have the money.

>>58217331
Garbage for what purpose? What are you doing with it? How much do you pay for it?

>>58217331
The only details I could find are that it comes in some dell prebuilt. Look like the basic cheap board they usually put in prebuilts, it'll do everything you need if you don't need much.

>>58217324
I know Akasa fans and shit, but not PSUs. Imho get a new GPU like RX480 or GTX1060, that should be enough for until your next big upgrade.
For the PSU, see how much W you need and get something like a EVGA G2/3, SeaSonic G or so.

>>58217343

So let's say I wanna get a 6500. What brands are good for mobos now a days. I sort of wanna go micro atx.

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>>58217382
>it'll do everything you need if you don't need much.

All I know is I can't replace it until after the first year (warranty) and the build comes in a tiny ass case which means if I do replace the board I'm gonna need a new case to go with it. I'm just hoping it's not complete garbage, but it's my first new machine in like 6 years so I'm sure it'll seem better (for a while) just don't want to get fucked over.

I'm gonna see what is good/bad about it and after the warranty expires move it to a new housing and fix all the problems it probably has. But first I gotta identify em.

>>58209130
It's either a general, or a bunch of individual threads people will make when they need help building a new system.