Why hasn't anyone really improved on early-2000s imageboard

It's perfect.

>>58160865
why fix what's not broken

>>58160878
It's late 90s appearance is an often overlooked part of its charm. It's nice to have something which, though very spartan and utilitarian in its appearance, has bucked silly web design trends over the last 12 years. (IMO, Web 2.0 and its "glaze every graphic with lewd amount of gloss" fad was infinitely worse than today's flat design pandemic)

It's also an exemplar of KISS design principles.

>>58160865

if the layout was to get "improved" it would most likely end up looking like reddit and that is shit

>>58160898
meant for OP btw.

>>58160902
Not really, since Reddit threads are trees of comments and *chan threads are flat like old forum/BBS threads.

>>58160865
>what is 4chan X
>link hovering
>quick reply
>link to archive
>link embedding
>auto refreshing
>desktop notifications
>b-but muh Javascript bloat!

>>58160916

to each his own

>>58160916
ignore this i can't read
>>58160968

you're saying that they would never change the way threads are structured?

Why change what's perfect?
[spoiler] I'd prefer the old layout with frames, but you can't have everything.

>>58160983
That's still available.

>>58160865
>a working familiar design NEEDS to change
why?

>>58160926
So you mean all of the shit that is currently in 4chan native except for linking to archives? Only the truly autistic use 4chan x and the like these days.

>>58161043
Why the fuck should I have to go out of my way to see the content that janny deleted for free?

>>58160865
I like how well they work on rural hillbilly internet

You don't need much

1. custom date format
2. work time
3. fappe tyme
4. and maybe threading if you come in to a thread that already has 300+ replies

>>58161059
Why the fuck would anyone go out of their way to care about deleted content in the first place?

It helps keep the normies out

It's fine as it is. One thing other sites could take from 4chan is not leaving stubs for deleted posts.

>>58161364
What are points 2 and 3?

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>>58160902
>>58160916
>>58160968
>>58160975
i don't use this feature but you guys are really missing out if you don't already use 4chan x
https://github.com/ccd0/4chan-x/

>>58161424
show only post with images, show only posts with text
obviously to fap or to have a discussion

>>58161456
So what... like Reddit but in chronological order?

>>58161424
work time hides all images in the thread. You still see all posts, just without pics
fappe tyme hides "text only" posts (posts without images)

>AJAX
>20000 lines of JS
pls no
this is perfect

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It has to be a peer 2 peer imageboard where the jan man can't delete my posts

>>58161467
Yes. It's useful with thread with 200+ replies.

>>58161531
hovering over replies so much easier though, threading just turns the thread into a clusterfuck

>>58160916
Reddit is impossible to use. It only will show you the person who directly replies to you, but if you want to go see the entire comment chain related to your reply then you have to hunt for it yourself.

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Can anyone identify this or know how to get it?

>>58160865
we had that back in the html4 days, before 4chanx and similar addons.

A gentooman wrote a simple script to update threads, shit was cash.

>>58161517
yeah but then all anyone ever does is post CP

>>58161372
>go to 4chan extension site
>click install
>refresh 4chan.org
"out of your way"

>janitor deletes post
>extension seamlessly keeps post in thread, conversation chain isnt broken
Wait are you seriously arguing that its better not to have useful unencumbering features?

>>58160983
https://www.4chan.org/frames

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>>58160884

eight-chan has a lot of features that 4chan is sorely missing. Multiple file posting, webm + gif thumbnail playback, etc. Good example of iterating on something "perfect" without ruining it.

>>58164330
Its also dead

because it is the community of people and the free exchange of thoughts that are important, not some stupid features.

>>58160865
Infinity

>>58161932
I would also like to know

This website doesn't make money so i guess mook doesn't want to add more features because more features will lead to higher usage and bigger losses.

2+six chan runs improved code with more features but they have a smaller user base.

>>58164492
moot2 is lying about money. There's an infographic by 8ch that proves it.

>>58164330
>multiple file posting
No.
>animated thumbnails
No.

The only things could improve 4chan would be an improved backend, streamlined HTML/JS/CSS which is already very well made, and the introduction of new file formats that outperform old ones.

>>58161456
Inline Quote Links
no need for 4chan x

>>58160865
I like imageboard software the way it is. Not everything needs a reboot, J.J. Abrams.

>>58160865
Because imageboards don't make (enough) money and don't attract the talented and persistent kind of people that it would take to make them modern.

>>58160916
reddit is shit. the post order is weird and you need to click a javascript link to see more posts or change the order. also the page position changes when you click the buttons that show more posts.

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>>58160865
>perfect

I'm no astrobiologist, but I think things could be improved a bit, such as reducing unneeded clutter.

Why repeat the same info for every post, such as
Anonymous, and the date?
Why not replace the long post numbers with something shorter, like here: >>58161932

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>>58161456
thats fucking disgusting.

>>58160884

this. never change

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>>58164647

Idea guy here.

Why don't we just make post numbers local per-thread, and then make a distinction between thread numbers and post numbers? Then to link to another thread you'd use something like >>[thread-id]/[post-id]

This avoids the long ass post numbers taking up space.

>>58162041
Kek, you don't need 4chanx for it, I already have it natively

>>58165407
ikr. it seems better to go from this:

>>58165407

to this:

>>51

>>58165458
well those code blocks worked perfectly wrong. I've never tried using links in them before. oh well.

>>58165407
mook and the one man dev team don't care enough to make improvements

>>58165407
>long ass post numbers taking up space.

You're are a fucking retard.

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>>58164492
>improved code
hahhahhahahhaahhahaahahah
holy shit

HAHHAHAAHAHAHA

>>58165791
>what is visual clutter

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Why don't you just create custom css?

>>58160865
What are they saying on 2ch?

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The problem is the content, not the layout you morons

>>58162012
>no images
>no webms
>text only
>final destination
There, problem solved.

Actually, I'd love to see a P2P /prog/. I bet the higher barrier to entry would noticeably improve the post quality.

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works fine as it is now

>>58161517
>>58162012
>>58166744
http://zeronet.io
then
0net://0chan.bit

We need avatars, usernames and upvotes tbqh.

>>58160884
This. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Too many websites have fucked up good designs for the sake of "progress". 4chan design is fine, don't fuck it up.

>>58166793
kek

>>58166831
Ah yes, also Facebook and Reddit share buttons.

Anyone got that pic?

>>58161456

does it shit itself if you multiquote tho

>>58165407
>getting rid of gets
eat a dick

>>58160865
>mfw 4chan looks like right for me
Feels good.

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>>58160865
It's been done.

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I'd rather keep the UI simple and let people do with it what they want clientside.
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>>58165407
That's what I did when I wrote my site (abandoned, never saw prod, but available on github under topicforumdev repo)

>>58167054
>getting rid of autism
Sounds like a good idea to me.

>>58166828
You again, botnet shill
>forced js thus 0 protection against literally every exploot in the wild
>if a site allows uploads or posts, 100% arbitrary content can be uploaded so enjoy your malware that runs as soon as you load a page
>forced to use id to post
>id is the same across all sites
>accessing a site = getting access to the id of all people who posted or uploaded along the associated content

>>58167712
I'm saging this thread as hard as I can. Bet that pisses you off.

>>58165407
This is how anonymous boards worked before the floating model where threads float, bump and sage was introduced.

>>58166744
I have a kareha board on i2p, you're welcome if you find it (not very hidden)

>>58166831
>images as avatars
>namesync for namefagging on forced anon boards
>that 4chanx upvote script
Alternatively move to ylilauta, you can get dubs by paying there

>>58167529
In order for people to do what they want clientside we need a code base that isn't complete fucking shit.

>>58167715
Zeronet is the stupidest darknet meme ever.
And people think it's cool.

>>58167715
>forced js
oh noez! Le evil js!
How are you supposed to crrate distributed dynamic sites then?
>if a site allows uploads or posts, 100% arbitrary content can be uploaded so enjoy your malware that runs as soon as you load a page
sanitizing, what is it?
>forced to use id to post
ok, so? you can always generate a new one for each post if that disturbs you.
>id is the same across all sites
same thing. also relatively easy to solve with an update
>accessing a site = getting access to the id of all people who posted or uploaded along the associated content
the same argument over and over. i get it, you don't like pseudo-anonymity

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>>58164538

>>58166744
That won't stop unscii posters.

>>58167860
show me a better alternative then.
i know it's not perfect, but it's the best we have currently, and it's one of the few projects that are truly pushing forward the field

>>58167984
Pseudo-anonymity isn't the right term here.
Point out a post I've made in this thread. If you can do that, then zeronet is equal to normal HTTP in terms of pseudo-anonymity.

>>58168024
Freenet
Tor
i2p
Retroshare
IPFS
Demonsaw
morphis
HTTP
Gopher
IRC
NNTP

What field is Zeronet pushing forward?

It works well, especially with 4chan X. Why change something that's already great?

4chan lacks Wakabamark markup.
Prove me wrong.

>>58168262
>I can walk everywhere, why would I need a car ?

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>>58164647
>Why not replace the long post numbers with something shorter, like here: >>58161932
Because threading makes it impossible to carry multiple conversations at the same time. Go back to rebbit.

>>58168293
What was your shitty analogy trying to convey? Are you incapable of making a post that isn't complete garbage?

>>58168297
Are you clinically retarded or merely pretending?

>>58168336
Right, the person using analogies to try and explain his argument is the one calling me retarded. If you can't even argue without having to resort to analogies why bother arguing in the first place?
I'll give you the benefit of doubt though. You were trying to say 4chan with 4chan X is like walking, but "improving" 4chan (in ways you haven't and probably never will specify) is like driving a car.
I could talk about how shitty of an analogy that is, but that would just turn into an argument about your bad analogy, not about the state of 4chan. If you wanted someone to actually take you seriously then why not explain your argument, say what could be improved and how, not go to /v/ or /a/ levels of retardation and newfaggotry with analogies.

>>58168063
> not the right term
but the meaning is right. all your posts are associated with an id. here on 4ch it's your ip or something but it's never visible to normal users. on zeronet it's a public key which is intrinsecally visible to all other users, but is also easily changed

> tor
just a bridge, not the same.
> i2p
eepsites are not distributed.
i don't know enough about the distributed datastore. i only used it one time and it seemed pretty limited, but i'll be happy to be disputed.
> freenet
requires external tools, like https://github.com/Bombe/Sone/ (which actually seems squite nice, but it's an external, _fixed_ tool)
> retroshare
no sites, only file sharing/chat/etc
> IPFS
static.
Actually IPFS is very nice as a backend for big files in zeronet. The two projects could use some more integration (also bitmessage)
> demonsaw
nice, didn't know about it. same thing aboutretroshare applies.
> morphis

> google it
> "ALL TOGETHER NOW WE SING IN UNISON"
> oh yeah i remember this meme

> http, gopher, irc, nntp
not distributed

literally no other technology isable to serve arbitrary dynamic sites in a distributed manner

>>58161517
>>58166744
>>58166828
>>58168024
>>58168063
>>58168397

Just 新月です\(・ω・)\

>>58160865
They have, but no one is using it because everyone visits 4chan instead.

>>58160884
This.

>>58168535
We have to fix this somehow. Between the cancer mods and cancer community, 4chan is completely unrecognizable compared to last decade.

https://github.com/majestrate/nntpchan

related project

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To be honest it's already quite perfect. Quality > Quantity so fuck AJAX. Boards should be even slower actually.

I'm currently working on an imageboard with some improvements:
>Eveything is a node (Posts/Threads/Boards/Tags).
>Nodes (both posts and threads) get automatically hidden according to popularity derivative to let the attention focus on new ones without having an arbitrary hard limits (e.g. 350). They're still sorted by time though.
>gelbooru style searching
>no javascript
>no miniatures. fuck miniatures. Just stop posting the shitty memes.
>Reposts and screencaps will be replaced by links (nodes are saved forever)

Obviously it will change a little bit. Pic is a design I made a while ago (with a nightmode too). The server is in C. I would love to hear ideas or critics.

>>58168697
github repo plz

>>58168697
>>>/reddit/

>>58168655
brb trying it now

>>58168734
tl;dr it's shit, i wrote it, it's a second gen implementation.
join irc on rizon, #nntpchan for peering info for the main network.

>>58168734
It's actually only distributed/decentralised zed in the same sense as cloud vs non-cloud paradigm but it has like 3 active nodes and went down across all nodes at once quite a few times already. Only real good about it is the moderqtion overlay system.

>>58168734
the post sync actually works somehow, moderation works (crypto signed messages)

see the current network, node list at nntpchan.info it is pcool i guess. we've been here since august 2013 but no one cares ;~;

>>58168268
P-please?

>>58168784
if we got enough people to care we'd not have to worry about node loss as much.

as for decentralization, anyone can download the entire contents of the chan via nntp and set up a mirror without any special creds.

if anyone wants to try out the ui i ripped off from livechan you can here: https://2hu-ch.org/livechan/

>>58168942
>livechan
Refer to >>58167527

>>58169023
i don't like the real time part where they see you type it out personally.

>>58168787
i like how the moderation works.
i've seen the same concept duscussed on various forums and networks but rarely actually implemented. i may throw a spare vm at it later this week and see what happens

>>58168722
Sorry no github yet

>>58168731
How is this Reddit?

>>58168655
It's better to have many small-sized anonymous communities than a big one for everything, I think.

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>>58168009
>>58166744
This took more time than expected because niggerbox refused to let me set the screen resolution higher than my physical monitors.

>>58169100
it's kinda useless as a standalone node desu
>>58169102
the idea is to allow both to be possible, different nodes take different boards and have different mod policies.

>>58169102
>hidden according to popularity
>How is this Reddit?

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>>58169123
Now with unscii font. I think I messed up the font size.

This shit again ?

>>58160865
sorry, I just graduated. What is AJAX?

>>58169136
doesn't an additional node add stability to the network?

>>58169152
It's hidden according to popularity derivative.

For example newer posts are always visible and basically the "activity" needs to get exponentially higher in order for the post to stay visible. The fact it's sorted by time shutdown even further the snowball effect.

Also threads display a small constant number of posts no matter what (64 right now).

>>58169239
not sure, but intermediate hidden nodes for just routing posts would be a godsend imo.

>>58168378
lol didnt read

>>58169152
Also maybe you're right and I should forget about hiding nodes and let's say, just display the 64 latest posts. I just want to test things and pretend to be creative.

>>58169152
Sorry for spamming (you) but I forgot to mention I initially got this idea for a reason, "activity" is computed recursively so when joining a big thread, you have a readable overview of current active branch and thus being easier to join conversations.

>>58169361
You'd need to delete in a fashion that the users can't really interfere with. Otherwise people will make up reasons to complain about agendas and such bullshit.

I can't think of a board that deleted old discussion in this way off the top of my head though. I know some that flush a couple times a day and such, maybe there's some idea there.
Still, a post limit of 64 posts seems really small. Even the limits on 4chan do, 150 images for a porn board is just sad.

>>58169455
And here I'm trying to piece together a coherent reply.
I'm not >>58168731 and I don't think the idea is that redditlike, but I can see why your wording would make someone think so.

Maybe you're onto something, but you don't want to create a system that encourages fast and thoughtless posting. Active discussion isn't necessarily very valuable.

Just to clarify, you'd be able to read the rest of the thread too, right?

Man I'm tired.

>>58160898
An imageboard is Web 2.0 by definition

>>58160865
Keeps the normies out.

>>58169812
It doesn't when /b/ has celebrity nudes

>>58169535
I see your point but if posts are deleted according to time anon joining late will be left out. We would see posts like "what were they talking about again?".

The goal is to have infinite threads that smoothly shifts to new core ideas without hard limit. I agree that even activity isn't a good way to do so and it will most likely be biased.
>either it's intentionally exploited
>either you have to "think about what you post" to get visibility hence this is reddit and it will miserably fail

I feel like having a separated page for "discussion overview" wouldn't prevent the same issues I just mentioned (people on reddit browsing exclusively the "Top" page for example, here they will ignore the "less attractive" sorting). Maybe something else could work like "node depth" instead of activity but I'm sure Futabastyle channels could be improved somehow.

>Just to clarify, you'd be able to read the rest of the thread too, right?
Yes

>I'm trying to piece together a coherent reply
My bad actually, sorry for the bad wording

>64 posts seems really small
It's not a limit but the (arbitrary) number of nodes displayed at once.

anyone remember flat design meme day?

>>58170946
Anon your screen is in 2D

>>58171072
>tfw you will never be 2D
that was a painful reminder

>>58164492
>This website doesn't make money

hirojewki had several offers in the 2 million dollars + range to buy 4chan and he turned them down and instead told people if they didn't buy more passes he'd shut down boards.

obviously 4chan is making more money than those multi million dollar offers. moot and hiroyuki have lied about the financials of the site to make themselves look better.

>>58161932
I'd also like this please.

I miss visible sage

I also miss media player

>>58171128
moot said 4chan was profitable

>>58171295
Nope, he always denied so any chance he got. It took leaks to find out he was full of shit. Best he said is, it was financially stable befor the handoff.

>>58168297
reply pyramids are retarded but otoh carrying multiple conversations is poor form

>>58171361
What leaks? Also, if it's financially stable then it's profitable.

>>58161456

This would be awful for a lot of threads where quoting is out of control, you'd be nesting hundreds of levels deep.

jesus fuck why is everythig here so fucking GAY?

>implying AJAX updates were around in the early 2000s
if you can't remember a time before captchas and before extensions were a thing, get off /g/

>>58173626
This. There have been many incremental improvements over the years - the catalog, backlinks, AJAX updates, WebM support...

>>58160865
Russian 2ch engine is quite good, feature-rich and tunable, but fast and lightweight at the same time.

most modern website perform like a 10k replies threads

Why do you want to fuck with something that works?

>>58167053
Yes

>>58161932
>>58173017

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>>58169238
Sorry I was just born. What is google?

>>58160983
They're not as useful nowadays, I tried them out for a while and it was more intrusive

>>58168063
>Point out a post I've made in this thread.
I can't. Is that what you were trying to prove?

>>58175278
It's trivial to do the same accross Zeronet.

>>58175298
Ok, so?

Also, it's trivial only if you don't change keypair

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dubschan tried to improve it and looks fucking terrible

Sure do like seeing less than three posts per page and images strewn fucking everywhere

>>58160865
Some guy on /g/ made an attempt a while back to experiment with the way imageboards are displayed.
He attempted to interpret posts as vertices and replies as edges, and used that information to make a graph.

It was interesting but impractical

>>58171455
If it's financially stable you're essentially wasting your time because you aren't growing.
To be truly eternal you need to be beating the market constantly.

>>58175643
I'm working on that right now, I think I have some really good visualizations.

>>58161980
If I'm not mistaken, I thought 4chan's big HTML overhaul was in 2013?

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>implying
http://dejimachan.org/b/

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>>58160865
It's perfect as it is.

4chan that is.

I don't like a lot of other imageboards because they always throw in a lot of unnecessary mess (and don't have Photon as a default)

>>58176934

||s.4cdn.org/image/xmashat.gif

4chan should have material design and hipster marimba music that you can't mute at all times. Also no custom CSS allowed and everything forces Javascript.

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>>58177431
>4chan should have material design
I don't think Hiroshima will top this years April fools prank.

>>58166670
weeb shit

>>58175640
It looks thousands of times better desu.

>>58168697
>>no javascript
>>no miniatures. fuck miniatures. Just stop posting the shitty memes.
mirin

but without miniatures how would you avoid opening a nsfw file on a sfw board?

Sauce on images from OP?

>>58169845
Make options of display, and let users set their parents preferences. Like show only active nodes or show everything in order

>>58177836
mixing nsfw and sfw content is a bad idea desu

>>58167529
WTF how did you get that padding

>>58168697
>Nodes (both posts and threads) get automatically hidden according to popularity derivative to let the attention focus on new ones
fug off

>>58178931
>a fucking pass
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>>58175664

Ok JewJew Abrams

>>58160865
Because it's simple and doesn't need blinking lights

>>58161932
>>58174308
Noice

>>58169042
I remember this being a part of ICQ back in 2000 and it was the shit. I like the idea but at the same time it's a lot of needless I/O between the server and client.

>>58177486
Hiro turns 4chan into reddit
Reddit index with sidebars, voting, comment threads like reddit

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>>58182986

>>58169042
I remember a chat client like that once.

It sucked balls waiting for someone to finish hunt-and-pecking a sentence.

>>58182986
>>58183025
he's already made /vip/

it's the next logical devolution

>>58160884
>>58160896
Communists.

>>58160916
>Reddit threads are trees of comments
Yeah let's put more threads into a single thread, brilliant idea, not retarded or messy at all

>>58183744
It is indeed less messy. Keeping one thread makes sure there's one thread of conversation.

I can't even count the number of times I've seen the same conversation carried out in near exact repetition in different branches of the same tree of reddit comments because nobody thinks to check the rest of the tree for the answer before asking their stupid question.

Source on the original picture?

>>58185253
You forgot to mention that a 4chan thread is a graph which is much more interesting than a Reddit tree.

>>58185428
Yuyushiki

>>58160865
There's no need to, the way the site looks is one of the reasons normalfags avoid 4chan, they can't understand it or they think it looks too old.

>>58164413
underrated

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>>58160865
KISS

one could make clunky html6 ajax flash 100mb css plugin-based piece of shit with subtle bitcoin miner somewhere in the middle of code and automatic updates (and i guess that's how it's done nowadays), but keeping site simple, easy to read and light on resources is definitely praiseworthy

>>58186972
>subtle bitcoin miner
Wait actually Javascript with emscripten could access to opengl and... yeah....
Thanks for the idea anon.
share you bitcoin address so I donate to you and we eventually fix capitalism

>>58187022
and so, age of ad-less websites that melt your computers and/or portable devices in very subtle way begins. seriously, normies would probably be amazed, it's not like all of those retardedly powerful modern smartphones are used for anything better than facebook

i think i'll start writing bitcoinblock already

>>58160865
>AJAX updates
Try websockets.
It already exists, by the way.

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>>58160916
>tree-style comments
>still uses list-style thread listings

Disgusting. I can't live without hover replies and the catalog.

>>58174308
wow this is actually not that bad.
I would use this if it were finished 2bh.

This one is interesting to me
https://github.com/bakape/meguca
unfortunately their live version is down right now.
I'm pretty sure this is from it. >>58167527 though.

I can't think of anything major that current imageboards are lacking on the backend or frontend, the draw to meguca for me is how the backend handles uploads and the real time post previews. The frontend comes with a lot of stuff I like about 4chanX but jumping back that adds to what I was saying about the fact they don't need much improvement outside of small technical backend differences, frontends can be easily replaced by users to look and function however they want. With things like desktop notifications, hover posts, inline post insertion, jump to post, denoting the OP and yourself, backlinks, and automatic updates, there's not really much more that I can think of that's lacking. Even the things I mentioned are not really necessary, they only make the experience faster to consume and produce, by default places like 4chan and others are simple and sane enough to be enjoyable to read and post with. A small portion of me kind of wishes old esoteric 4chan functions remained if only to force people to read the faq or lurk, things like not having automatic noko. While this would arguable make the imageboard worse I think the nicer one is the more susceptible it is to being over run with bad posters, I don't know.

>>58188584
>Dependencies
>Go
>Node
>Rust

kys

>>58188605
Give reasoning as to why you think they're not appropriate for this task and what you'd use instead.

>>58188584
>AGPL
Jesus Christ, that's disgusting.

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Entire page should be plaintext and all formatting should be done client side. Prove me wrong.

Of all the interesting things that you could or should do experiments about how chans work, the layout is the last thing we should look into, cause it's awesome.

>>58190985
agree, layout is fine.
a good UI is a familiar UI

>>58188605
>Typescript
>Javascript
>"""RethinkDB"""
The real time features are just too stressful for someone autistic like me

>>58190802
I can't because you're right

>>58190985
What kind of interesting things?

>>58183739
>I need to change it just because I think it's old
>>>/fa/, >>>/lgbt/

>>58191091
>What kind of interesting things?
for example: abandoning full anonimity, instead having normal user accounts (user defined nick/password), but limit number of accounts to something like 50 or maybe 100 or something like that(1), and any account that doesn't average something like 6 posts per week over its last month gets derezzed (the posts obviously not, but the imageboard is volatile anyway). At the same time implement a minimum char count per post, with filler chars or pasta being against the rules. If that sounds too much like a standard forum, No-Anonimity can only be server side, meaning that for the other users (and non-users which can read along but not post in threads), it's still anonimous. Or maybe something like what's called IDs here, meaning thread based persistency.

Like, thinking how to change the formula to prevent large sites to devolve in nothing but utter shitposting like this one has.

(1) perhaps on a board to board basis, so the technology board has 100 accounts and the arts board has 100 accounts. Or give people the possibility to subscribe to individual boards.

>>58191091
>>58192062
also, shadowbans are a good idea. chans should think about adopting them.

>>58192062
>>58192138
jesus christ, fuck off back to plebbit and tumblr
>shadowbanning

>>58166793
KEK
E? ?? ??? ?K
KEK

>>58192631
goddamn it
KEK
E? ?? ??? E
KEK

I love imageboard format. It's so clear, it instantly gratifying, it allows for extensive discussion, it supports webms/images. It's pretty much everything a good forum needs, without the crutches of forums like post counts, registration dates visible.

I like how Eight Chan has a simpler captcha. Fill once, go post for 24 hours, also like how it prefers multi image uploading, which I'd very much like here too.

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>>58192062
>>58192138
baito

>>58192478
>>58193002
way to illustrate why 4chan is a fucking shithole and changes to the format might be worth thinking about. You know, there are some smaller lesser known chans out there where almost every post is high quality thought-out creative and original Content without it being a conformist popularocracy like reddit and you'd both have gotten permabanned for these blatant shitposts.

>>58171128
>2 million dollars + range
Holy shit, for one of the most influential websites on Earth a couple million is hella cheap.

>>58165458
>>58165822
The thing is, post numbers are so ingrained in imageboard culture they are practically invisible to whoever's been here all summer. They are no longer a distraction.

>>58172697
I never see nests of more than 10 or 15 and those are rare occurrences where a couple anons really go at it.

>>58195330
>chans with less visitors doesn't have as much shitposting

Wow, really doesn't make me think at all. No shit, Sherlock.

>being coddled by mods so people won't post mean things at you

Grow some thicker skin

>>58192138
javabloat not allowed.

>>58195330
I agree that smaller communities would help but what you suggested are terrible ideas.
>limit number of accounts to something like 50 or maybe 100
>any account that doesn't average something like 6 posts per week over its last month gets derezzed

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>>58168397
>literally no other technology isable to serve arbitrary dynamic sites in a distributed manner
http://urbit.org/posts/overview/

>>58195330
And they have a rule for high quality threads and enough small community to keep it all in check. Janies can't keep up on 4chan, bans are delivered hours after posting something against the rules. There's a reaction delay, perfect pit for low quality content.

>>58165407
But then we wouldn't get septs and million gets

>>58195500
>chans with less visitors doesn't have as much shitposting
Not really. I've seen a lot of smaller chans and most of them were nothing but shitposting from beginning to end. It's most likely that >>58195330's point was to say that smaller chans can stop shitposting, not that they are automatically better or get less of it.
>being coddled by mods so people won't post mean things at you
Do you actually the main reason people want moderation is to get rid of meanness?

>>58195944
>say something i don't like or agre is shitposting

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>>58195944
No, but I don't like heavy-handed moderation because it'd be no different than power-hungry mods deleting anything they don't like or doing it just so people can suck up more to them. It just derails just as bad as someone shitposting. I mean, people are always shitting on mods, than when someone gets openly banned, it's MODS=GODS train run. The hypocrisy of the matter bothers me, though that's something separate. It's not like I advocate shitposting, but at least having the freedom to do so. The principle of the matter. People can post whatever they want (legally) and if they just want to shitpost, I can just as easily ignore it. I don't need mods to remove it from my sight. I tend to subconsciously filter it out anyways

>>58195944
>Do you actually think*
>>58196006
Are you an extremely pro-moderation person roleplaying as a low-effort poster to persuade others ITT that heavier moderation is necessarily?

>>58172697
The only time I've seen this happen and break shit was on /s/ where OP was doing a dump and every post was a reply to their own previous post.

But when this happens, there's a checkbox for toggling threading, so it's 2 clicks to go back to normal.

>>58196141
I think moderation is a delicate balancing act. Too little of it and you let your discussion platform become a free-for-all/war zone (see: Usenet, which client-side moderation didn't save); too much of it and you make it a circlejerk (pretty much every phpBB-style forum).
>if they just want to shitpost, I can just as easily ignore it.
The problem isn't sudden, blatant shitposting but a gradual decline in post quality. If high quality posters keep ignoring the bad-but-not-quite-shit posts and don't call them out, there will be more of those posts as your discussion platform grows in popularity (funnily enough, because of the original high quality posters). Over time there will be less signal and more noise, and eventually the kind of people who create quality will leave. It applies somewhat less to imageboards than traditional forums but http://lesswrong.com/lw/c1/wellkept_gardens_die_by_pacifism/ is still relevant.

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>>58196569
And yet if you constantly replied to them in any way, then they'll just continue to shitpost.

But hey, if you can make/find a place for high quality discussion and keep it that way without losing people to crazy mods, then more power to you. I hate change after all and I'm stuck here forever and wouldn't have it any other way. No regrets.

>>58196569
This bullshit. Never the moderation can save a community except in case of shitpost and illegal shit.

>>58168397
The solution for dynamic content in IPFS is IPNS and their pub-sub model, once these are refined I don't know how anything else will be able to compete. IPFS is looking more and more like a serious contender for HTTP replacement. Pair this with Ethereum for computation tasks and you can make a truly distributed system that doesn't rely on any one machine/person to function and stay alive.

This is more about the internet as a whole than it is imageboards alone, but it certainly would have an impact on them. Something like thread longevity comes to mind, when the data is distributed instead of hosted on a single server you'd imagine the ephemeral nature of threads would be a thing of the past, threads are alive so long as someone is hosting it, unless people impose an artificial restriction on how many posts can be made in a single thread, etc.

>>58196141
I think this is my favorite thing about imageboards, people get so mad about threads getting "derailed" but that's not even possible. It's so easy to have multiple throughlines/(sub)topics in a single thread. As long as you only reply to posts you care about and others do the same there's no way anyone can disturb a conversation. Even if people intentionally drive a thread off by posting rapidly nothing prevents someone from making a new thread and continuing the discussion there, the relatively new features like the built in archive and catalog make this easier than ever before, and all the clientside stuff for navigating posts in a thread makes it very simple to follow discussion, the filters make it easy to ignore things if you can't do that manually for some reason too.

The best thing for everyone has always been to ignore low quality posts and reply to/make high quality posts. You have a better time that way and so does everyone else, the people having arguments or shitposting get to have their fun in the same space too without actually disturbing anyone, it's only when you go out of your way to enter threads you don't like or reply to posts you don't like that you have a bad time and clutter up the space for lurkers but as I said before such clutter is not actually an issue at all, it's only a problem for the individual going out of their way to have a bad time, unless they like to argue which is also a thing people do. There's no reason to ban such people.

>>58160865
Add any more and you get Reddit

>>58160865
>we need animations in the website, it's almost 2017 come on guys
Kill yourself.

>>58160865
I don't get why we don't have threads of infinite length
also, the design itself could be more functional

some months ago, I wanted to make a mix of 4chan, reddit and twitter, and also add some stuff... but I was too lazy.
anyway, it's be cool to have infinite threads (in pages of 200 or so posts), IMO.

>all this buzzword bashing
I bet you faggots don't even know what ajax stands for.
And no, form posting was fucking shit.

Keep the API clean and let the users decide how much cancer they need.

>>58198683
>Sane posting.
>On 4 chan.

I like you

>>58200493
>form posting was fucking shit
It really was, but then it showed you Shift JIS art and you forgave it.

>>58160865
Are there any image boards which are free software? I know 4chan is immoral nonfree software :(

>>58204338
There's quite a few that are open source software and the licenses on them vary from project to project.

There may be a more comprehensive list than this but I can't find it. http://www.9ch.in/overscript/
I'm surprised Wikipedia doesn't have one.

*the number that comes after 7*chan's "infinity" and "infinity-next" have been picking up traction for people, tinyboard is also popular. Kusaba (X) used to be popular but it seems to have fallen a little bit with the rise of some more flexible alternatives.

There are some interesting experiments going on too like these >>58188584 >>58161932 which are good to see, people making some backend improvements as well as trying new styles with the frontends, and of course you can always make your own or modify and existing project.

>>58160884
go home moot

I have the next gen 4chan in my mind im learning jquery now though expect it in a couple months

>>58205015
Thanks :)

>>58205067
Literally who?

>>58191091
>>Typescript
>>Javascript
Sadly can't use Web Assembly quite yet.
>>"""RethinkDB"""
Was a mistake. Write performance is terrible with higher load. Switch to good old Postgres in progress.

>>58188605
>>Go
Is actually pretty good for web servers that don't allocate too much garbage rapidly. Currently the only competitive rival is C++, which of course is also reasonably faster, but unreasonably more complex to write.
>>Node
Only for the client assets compilation.
>>Rust
More of an experiment right now. I plan to offload the more allocation-heavy parts and number crunching to Rust/C eventually, if this proves to work.

>>58160865
Use clover.

>>58206179
I like your direction and experiments megi-dev.

>>58205467
>jquery
how old were you when your mother dropped you?

>>58166670
the pleasure of being cummed inside

>>58206179
>Sadly can't use Web Assembly quite yet.
Then don't use it, have you thought about not having client-side interactivity? As someone previously said practically the only thing that matters anyway in an imageboard is the content itself. Real-time character by character updates are unnecessary distractions without upside.

>>58208628
An imageboard has to have something to stand out not to be a simple 4chan clone. What is the point of writing software, if it already exists and the original has more features? If you round up the imageboard software, then the memorable ones will have at least one distinctive feature.

>>58210515
distinctive features are not exclusive to client side, nor does it require a dynamic webpage

>>58211274
The specific feature, which is the main distinction in this case - update on type, can not be done without client-side scripting in a web browser.

Too many cuo2duo TwinkPad users here who wouldn't be able to run the site if it had any other features.

Honestly though, its perfect as it is. It doesn't need to change. It displays posts and images and replies at the same time better than anything else I've seen.

I've looked at reddit a few times because something was linked or whatever and for some reason I just cannot navigate that place at all. Its a fucking mess and I don't know how people use it.

>>58200424
ever been in a thread that goes on for 5000+ posts without an image cap? shit isn't fun.

>>58160865
what could improve?
The best/worst thing to happen was the last improvement of captchas to kill spam.

beyond that what else?

>>58160884
Jep

>>58160865
It's outdated ugliness keeps the normies away, so it must stay.

>>58211694
Then it's doing a shit job since this place has been overrun by normies for the past 4 years

>>58211775
That's what you get for adding auto-update, quick reply and inline quotes.

>>58211813
But old versions of 4chanX had those though.

>>58211865
People wouldn't find out about 4chanX until they lurked long enough.

>>58211521
A modern design would be a great start

>>58214125
Define mordern. What kind of stuff do you want to see in the design?

>muh shadows

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But it CAN be improved.

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>>58215850

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>>58216151

>>58160896
this

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>>58216178
No

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>>58216219

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My imageboard ideas:
-We use Elo instead of votes so it's even better than Reddit
-We sell private user data directly to the NSA instead of having annoying ads
-Since I'll be the admin I'll ban anyone that annoy me so it will be good and fuck anime posters
-Before being allowed to post you must ask at least x friends to create an account
-You can buy upvotes. I mean.... Now the process is integrated with the webapp
-Actually we still have ads but now it's seamlessly merged with content
-You can also pay to simply ban users you don't like without having to buy downvotes except if they're paying more in which case you're the one getting banned except if y-....
-the captcha is a minigame

I'll start

$ git clone https://github.com/reddit/reddit.git

>>58214828
Just make it follow design trends, and not look like it was designed in the early 2000s.
Traditional forums have functioned the same way for decades and yet people still give them trendy designs (eg. flat design, lower contrast) without sacrificing functionality.

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>>58160865
There's only ONE thing that could improve 4chan and it's bringing moot back.

Infinity Next tried and failed.

>>58216960
Infinity next's failures were not in its ideas, but in its execution.

>>58216998
What were the good ideas?

>>58216946

>>58206094

>>58160884
tripcodes still exist

>>58160884
This.
There's nothing to fucking improve. It's an image messaging boards. It is the AK-47 of internet communities.
Adding anything extra to it is sacrilege.

>>58217586
Tripcodes are great. You can filter all tripfags in one go.

I wish more people used them.

>>58217964
kys

>>58217586

They do have a valid purpose, you can't fix social problems with a technical solution. tripfags will find another way to be irritating.

At least nobody avatarfags anymore.

>>58218406
this

>>58217999
Way to prove their point.

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>>58164647
posting it until you like it

>>58218920
>astrobiologist
You could stop being a pajeet and improve the design a little bit.
Also start over on Linux

This is somewhat related

I have a question related to /vg/

I like to go to /r6g/, but I hate having to either scroll down until I find the right thread (it takes ages because of all the shit generals on /vg/ and mine is always on like page 10, type in the search, or just follow the last thread and find the link to the new thread. Is there a way that i could bookmark a page that will give me the latest thread/general?

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>>58219006
>coding for an OS that's used by 1% of the home market

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>>58219041
Well it's useless anyway and you would be used by the 1% on the right side of the bell curve.

>>58219040
>>>/vg/r6g

>>58219090
thanks anon :)

>>58219040
Just use 4chan X.
You can use the filters to highlight and pin the threads you want to the top.

>>58219100
How would I filter everything, but the general I want?

>>58219124
the top option will just keep the thread always pinned to the top.

There's probably a way to filter everything except what you want, but you'd have to know regex to do it.

>>58216418
>$ git clone https://github.com/reddit/reddit.git
shit, that was quick.

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>>58216946
Literally who?

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Because then it will look like this

Anonmgur just shut down.

>>58192631
KEK
E E
KEK