Give me ONE (1) reason NOT to buy hosting from a cheap VPS and

>>58146674
because /g/ lacks the know how.

>>58146685
You can follow a step by step tutorial.

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>>58146674
Other than possible privacy issues arising from the VPS provider, I can't. It's what I do. Took about an hour to set up, from buying the VPS, installing and configuring OpenVPN and unbound, and testing the connection.

>>58146711
which is already asking too much from /g/ who can't into a terminal unless it's to start ncmpcpp

>>58146674
Because the only reason anyone buys VPN service is to torrent, and if you get DMCA complains they'll shut down your VPS account. And VPN services are generally a lot cheaper than VPS services, mine is $18 /yr.

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Why would you use vpn? Because you do something illegal?
Maybe better to be honest citizen and have nothing to hide and fear?

>>58146674
because you only get ip

>>58146744
>Why would you use vpn? Because you do something illegal?

Just for security.

>>58146717
Do you recommend it for me? Should I do it?

>>58146725
>Because the only reason anyone buys VPN service is to torrent, and if you get DMCA complains they'll shut down your VPS account

I have torrented without a VPN for ever and never gotten a single DMCA notice.

I live in Canada.

>>58146674
>>58146725
Mostly this, some VPS won't comply though. Usually the ones who take bitcoin. You'll end up saving about $7-8 a month maybe.

>>58146720
>>58146685
>>58146711
https://github.com/Nyr/openvpn-install

Because I can't associate my VPS with shady practices and websites,there's legit stuff on my VPS

>>58146674
Because cheap VPSes are bandwidth limited

>>58146757
>You'll end up saving about $7-8 a month maybe.
VPN services aren't that expensive. As I said, mine is $18 per year. Go find me a VPS service that will ignore DMCA requests, doesnt care if I transfer 5+ TB /month, costs under $2 per month and isnt on a host which is so grossly over provisioned that connections constantly timeout.

>>58146848
>As I said, mine is $18 per year

Which one?

because the vpn i use gives me 80 locations to choose from, and also over 200 proxy addresses so i can use jdownloader to get direct download files

>>58146674
Ok, here we go. You can use SOCKS, so there is no need in VPN.

>>58146869
ibVPN

>>58146848
Was gonna say Ecatel but I guess they got shut down. Not surprised.

>>58146900
is it good

>>58146903
I guess? I've transferred over 5TB in a month and they didnt care.

>>58146674
Most vpn providers offer servers all over the globe, have a sizable userbase, and some even claim to have a 0 logging policy and accept bitcoin.
And they don't discriminate any network protocols.
Most vps providers usually have strict anti-torrent policies, plus you're stuck with a single static outgoing ip address, and it's specific to your account.

>>58146720
Openvpn is easier to setup than mpd.

>>58146923
>plus you're stuck with a single static outgoing ip address, and it's specific to your account.

I don't mind. I'm not a criminal.

>>58146873
How much do they cost per month?

>>58146873
/thread

>>58147176
answer this then:
>>58147144

>>58146873
>>58147176
Why the fuck would you use socks.

VPN is for security, and socks does not offer that security.

>>58147199
VPN then socks? or vice versa?

SOCKS is just a proxy right?

>>58147205
Yes.

But why use both.

>>58147213
I dont know? Why would you use SOCKS proxy instead of a vpn?

>>58147247
You wouldn't.

No benefit to it at all, people only use that from Compromised PCs for illegal activities.

>>58147247
SOCKS is less resource intensive.

>>58147303
OK, but it wont provide you with any security or obfuscation.

>>58146992
Well others do, privacy is the main reason people get vpns.

>>58147303
What?

Is the difference in resources between vpn and socks a limiting factor for modern infrastructure?

Why would there even be any difference.

>>58147342
>Well others do, privacy is the main reason people get vpns.

Yes, from others on the network they use, or when travelling, or when torrenting.

Being safe from legal requests is for criminals.

>>58147350
VPN uses encryption. Some CPUs might lack fast crypting capabilities. But yes, on modern desktops VPN would be better

>>58147354
Have fun when your government brands you a criminal over some arbitrary law they pass.

>>58147387
That's not going to happen in a Western country.

>>58146755
It's not the same in Canada.

I'm in the US on Comcast, and I used to get notices before using a VPN. I got one because it's really cheap, is good for security, has some other handy uses, and considering how much they rape me for my cable... it's better safe than sorry and wind up paying for throttled service.

>>58147466
>has some other handy uses

Such as? What are some handy uses. Why is it good for security.

Convince me to use a VPN as someone who has never used one.

>>58147434
>That's not going to happen in a Western country.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It's already happening fool.
Criticizing rapefugees is a hatecrime in Germany.
Banning porn in Britian and South Carolina.
Drawings of cartoon little girls is illegal in Canada and Britain.
Trump has already said he's for censoring parts of the internet, and who knows what he'll criminalize if he's in a pissy mood.

>>58147493
>Banning porn in Britian and South Carolina.

Porn is degenerate, this is a good thing.
>Drawings of cartoon little girls is illegal in Canada and Britain.

Pedophilia is just plain wrong, this is a good thing.

>Trump has already said he's for censoring parts of the internet, and who knows what he'll criminalize if he's in a pissy mood.

He'll do what is right.

>>58147481
> Why is it good for security.
Specific security measures depends on the service, but I shouldn't have to explain why obscuring your traffic is good for security.

>What are some handy uses
A service with servers in other countries can get you access to region limited content (netflix, youtube, etc) you might not be able to access normally.

>>58147535
>Specific security measures depends on the service, but I shouldn't have to explain why obscuring your traffic is good for security.

Can the VPN provider intercept my data

how easy is it to use a VPN with arch?

>>58147540
They could. Many of them claim they don't, and I'm sure some of them are telling the truth.

It does kind of come down to how much you trust your service.

>>58147493
Everyone knows censorship of the internet is every governments endgame, but the lack of privacy and anti-censorship technologies being developed is really disappointing. Outside of tor (which is constantly being attacked by nation-states, and I personally do not trust it) there isn't really anything to help protect us.

>>58147510
You didn't comment on the rapefugees, why's that?

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>>58147560
Not a problem in my opinion.

The more they try to normalize Mudslimes the bigger the resistance will be.

This is why I also support Black Lives Matter, and in fact I have a twitter account with a bit of a following false-flagging as a Black Lives Matter supporter who keeps pushing the envelope.

The tides of change are coming.

>>58147510
>and cuck of the month goes to...
Honestly if this isn't bait, it's people like you who really ruin countries. It's never just the corrupt rulers of this world to blame, it's about faggots like you who follow them.

We all know the golden age of the internet is going to die sooner or later, but you would be contempt either way, right?

>inb4dramaqueen

>>58147556
>They could

Are you sure?

Upon googling it seems to say they can't. Since you use HTTPS. If you weren't using SSL then sure it seems they could.

>>58146674
1) It costs more
2) You defeat the purpose if you're the only one using it
3) Most people can't configure openvpn server

>>58147572
Congrats, you'll be targeted as a criminal for instigating violence and be branded a domestic terrorist.
So I guess you should get a vpn, unless you wanna become Tyrone's fucktoy in the penitentiary.

>>58147593
Are you manually checking the SSL certificates yourself. The government of any large country has the ability to create genuine SSL certificates which they hold the private key to, which they can then use to MITM you

>>58146744
>implying the definition of "honest citizen" can't or won't be changed when fascict theocracy / feminazis / Chinese / muslims / alien overlords take over
>implying shit can't or won't be used against you retroactively
Coming from an ex-commie country currently overtaken but protofascist catholic right I have no such illusions.

>>58147631
I just don't want some nigger slav to steal my bank login and credit card info.

I don't give a shit about the Government of China checking to make sure I'm not insulting the Glorious Peoples' Republic. I don't have state secrets or anything.

>>58146674
Why even use a VPN when you can use ssh -D?

>>58147697
Is ssh more secure than open vpn?

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>>58147705
Maybe if you add MFA and use authorised Key's. But you'll have to rout your network traffic over ssh, and I think that would be way less efficient

should i use a vpn or not.

>>58146674

>Your VPS provider would almost certainly co-operate with inquiries relating to questionable activity and may log incoming connections.
>Even if the VPS does not log/cooperate you are the only one connecting to it and that make deducing who is uisng it very, very easy
>Commercial VPNs have plenty of traffic + no logs + anonymity they are actually more secure than making your own if you need anonymity.

>>58148344
>>Your VPS provider would almost certainly co-operate with inquiries relating to questionable activity and may log incoming connections.

I'm not a criminal.

And it's unlikely they'll go through a datacenter to spy on one guy.

>>Even if the VPS does not log/cooperate you are the only one connecting to it and that make deducing who is uisng it very, very easy

I'm not a criminal, I don't intend to be investigated in a criminal investigation. So there is no need.

>>58148344
>>Commercial VPNs have plenty of traffic + no logs + anonymity they are actually more secure than making your own if you need anonymity.

I also don't trust those big meme commercial VPN companies, their websites look like a fucking "as seen on tv" page.

>>58148428
>I'm not a criminal.

This is basically the nothing-to-hide argument.
A quick search will reveal why this argument is cancerous and retarded, so quit baiting /g/ and fuck off.

>>58148489
But it is true.

I'm not a criminal so i really don't care that if a criminal investigation occurred, the VPS Provider would give out my info.

I know i know. you're going to start saying some Dystopian shit about le government changing the laws and becoming evil and locking you up.

My counter to that: How CAN I be safe besides living in a rice field in Mongolia then?


If the government WANTED to, could they not, create a facebook account in your name, work with your ISP to make it seem like you posted Child Porn on your facebook page? I mean what you're saying is ridiculous, a VPN isn't going to save you if your government went full 1984.

>>58148428

Then you dont really need a VPN friend, and none of the advice you are getting applies.

>>58148444
The big ones probably shouldn't be trusted. Find a nice Russian one from a carding forum if you want a solid and anonymous VPN. Make you you can pay with bitcoin/perfect money/wmz etc.

>>58148552
>Then you dont really need a VPN friend, and none of the advice you are getting applies.

I want to use it just to keep my shit encrypted and for when I use public networks.

>>58148536
You're looking at it from the other extreme. If the government wanted to arrest you that bad, they wouldn't bother fabricating evidence, they'd just arrest you.
Look if you don't value your privacy then by all means, do whatever it is that you do.
I'd say most privacy advocates have nothing to hide either, but that doesn't mean government, criminal, or corporate spying is okay.
But if you're complacent, that's a green flag for their actions.

>>58148565
Just forward all your traffic through an SSH tunnel to a private computer.

>>58146674
for the same reason people by "mail hosting" or "web hosting" services, they either don't know you can do that on a general vps, or don't want to set it up themselves

>>58148680
>Look if you don't value your privacy then by all means, do whatever it is that you do.
>I'd say most privacy advocates have nothing to hide either, but that doesn't mean government, criminal, or corporate spying is okay.

I value privacy in measure.

If it starts to impede on my quality of life I rather have less privacy. Yes I know it gives a greenlight, but my government is probably the least likely to do any of this shit.

And IF IT DID, at that point shit has officially hit the fan, in which case none of this matters anyways.

This is like when people talk about using BTC as a hedge against Modern Civilization collapsing. Nigger if the stock markets are dead, your bitch ass internet currency for drugs isn't going to be much fucking use.

>>58148711
I've heard of ssh -D, but does it really route all traffic through the ssh server? What about DNS enquiries?

>>58146674
>Using OpenVPN

Have fun being blocked on networks that use DPI.

>>58149263
Yes, though you'll have to configure it appropriately and test for DNS leaks on a per application basis.
Alternatively, you could use sshuttle which claims to simplify all this.

>>58149276

Please tell me more. What is DPI?

>>58149498
Deep Packet Inspection.

By default, most OpenVPN services leave their OpenVPN signature in the packets. Because of this, network administrators can use DPI to find the signature and then either block the device MAC address from accessing the network or trace it back to the server where they can block the server or block the default OpenVPN port.

DPI is also used in China to censor certain key/buzzwords.

>>58146674
1. You have a static IP, so what's the point? VPNs are designed to run on shared IPs so companies can't associate IPs with users.

>>58149532
If you're living in a communist shithole, you can just stealth it to look like a HTTPS request instead

But seriously, if your ISP blocks OpenVPN it's time to find a new ISP or new country.

>>58149556
China still has other ways around this.

Just search for the Golden Shield Project.

>>58147634
>protofascist catholic right
You're almost making it sound like that's a bad thing anon

>>58146674
Because I got a lifetime subscription in Windscribe for 40 euros.

>>58149679
lmfao what is this shit

>>58146674
* VPSes are unsafe
* VPN providers have physical security and diskless servers
* VPSes only have 1 IP that's only used by you. VPNs have shared IPs, much safer.

>>58149686
a VPN service provider.

>>58149746
>* VPSes are unsafe

[citation needed]

>>58146674
>one person using a dedicated VPS (or if you give friends access >10 people)
>hundreds if not thousands of people using a server at the same time

guess which is easier to track

>>58149910
I just want my traffic to be encrypted.

>>58146744
>play video games
>beating the enemy team hard
>some fucker gets my IP
>boots me offline

>>58149921
I guess go for it, the way I see it though is a company that has netsec people working for them can make a vpn more secure than I could

>>58149923
>restart router
>

>>58149963
but I have a static IP to host my servers, so I'd have to go through the hassle of making it dynamic then resetting it, then redoing all my portforwarding

>>58149927
((((Company)))l

Dude it's literally a teenager. That's what vpn companies are

>>58149987
all of the following aren't
AirVPN
AzireVPN
BlackVPN
CryptoStorm
DoubleHop
EarthVPN
FrootVPN
ovpn

>>58149995
All are owned by teenagers and are exactly the same

What VPN does /g/ use? I'm looking for one but there are so many I have no idea which one to use

>>58150001
ok give me proof, cause if you look into the CEO or owner of any of those I named it's a grown man - not replying to you until you give something to back up your claim

>>58149971
>host my servers
>some fucker gets my IP
>boots me offline

Nice hosting dude, stronk as OVH

>>58150022
I'm hosting off a fucking home connection what're you expecting

>>58150013
(((Ceo)))

It's literally a guy from fiverr they paid to take a pic of in a suit.

>>58150022
>some fucker boots me offline

Stop playing xbox with ten year olds

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>>58150028

>>58150038
hey anon, i dont play gayms

>>58150054
uh oh

Generally speaking the only reason why people pay for a company to use their VPN is ease of use, since most offer a client.

Hosting your own, encrypted VPS and using OpenVPN or similar to proxy all your traffic over it has some obvious benefits, such as higher reliability, higher speeds and being less dependent. Though I wouldn't go as far as to say they are more secure, since both a VPN company or the VPS host you have will have to cope with the same DCMA rules or equivalent of your country. For both you should always look out for their privacy policy and be sure they operate in piracy-friendly countries such as Romania and Iceland and NEVER go for a company located in western countries.

The only noticable benefit of paid VPN's over self set up VPS' are the ability to choose from more locations and a wider range of IP's, which is important for your Privacy as well as nice for bypassing geoblocks.

>>58149921
Then feel free to use a VPS, but be wary that your VPS company might be more likely to bust your ass for piracy than your home ISP

>>58150089
No if you know to pick right one.
I used hostsailor for torrenting, never got warring for that. Only time when my servers were suspended was when i set them to be workers and let them mine litecoins, rack got overheated so they suspended me :D

>>58146674
Buy a cheaper VPS and set up a SOCKS proxy? What's the difference if you will use it to tunnel traffic anyways.

>>58150198
The amount of IPs in different countries you can have.

>>58150217
If you set up a VPN server on one VPS machine, then you won't have multiple IPs in different countries.

>>58150239
But that was not what OP asked about.

>>58150239
Cheap VPN hosted by someone else with OpenVPN is obviously a single-IP instance.

>>58150250
>>58150265

>>58150265
Yes, but OP wanted a comparison to the services of quote: "shekelburg VPN companies". Which obviously offer IPs in multiple countires.

>what is a seedbox

>>58150143
Kek

>>58146674
You get no anonymity whatsoever doing this, you can't get IPs in countries all around the world and may even be bandwidth/speed limited. If you're not getting any of those, how exactly is the VPN useful to you, what for?

I run OpenVPN on my home server, I just use it to access my private network when I'm not at home.

>>58150474
I want to encrypt my traffic when using public networks and such

>>58150486
Why not just run it at home then? Why pay for a VPS? I've never done it but I'm quite sure you can run an OpenVPN server even on Windows, a lot of the newer routers can also do it.

>>58147634
Ukraine?

>>58149532
Fuck China and the chinks, but not all, just the one who are like: ''Muh purrfecrtionalism, muh strictnes, muh commies'' and ''you've got F, had it been for the laws of this mainland, i would've slaughtered you like a dog''.

>>58146674
Is there a windows app that can run selected apps through a pac address?

>>58147634
>catholic right
How the fuck people say they are right wing anyway? Cause they claim to be? It's literally communism in every law they pass.

>>58146725
My vps is $15/year. That being said...

Back to OPs question. If you use a VPN with your vps for torrents, then they can still track you since you're the only one using that IP address, and they can ask you vps provider. If you use a VPN provider, then there are many people using the same IP and it's much more difficult to track individuals. Safety in numbers

>>58150088
If you host your own VPN, your ISP can still see your traffic though.