Windows rot

Where are you from OP?

> Whats up with this why dose this even happen?

Gimme that dose.

this level of incompetent.
but really, the os is 20 years old, it's not only rotting for you but for MS as well

and really, ALL os rot. Some os can be stopped like linux or bsd, some os rot slower like os x

>>58107353
>some os rot slower like os x
This. My dock used up all of my RAM, and it basically rendered the computer unusable until I reinstalled Mac OS X.

>>58107365
Do you normies really believe this shit? Please tell me you're joking.

>>58107310
It has many design flaws. It's basically made to be reinstalled at least once in 2 years.

I'm curious if ppl with SSDs and good CPUs noitice this as well.

>dose

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>>58107310
>Mega stable rotless Debian shitposting machine

>>58107353
>>58107365
>mfw rock solid 10.4/9.2.2 dual boot that has been cloned between 4 computers now with no issues

>>58107649
An SSD, plenty of RAM, and a good CPU will keep Windows fast, but that's not really what Windows rot damages. An installation that's been used heavily over many years doesn't get slow, it gets quirky. You run into odd problems and strange error messages. Something that should Just Werk(tm) doesn't, and it isn't clear why, or what broke it.

Windows used to rot really quickly. You kids that never had to deal with Win95 don't know how lucky you are. It still rots, it just does it rather more slowly now. Linux *can* rot, but a.) it takes a bleeding age (over a decade), and b.) it happens because you accumulate strange dotfiles and such that used to do something useful but are now just junk, and eventually something trips over them. It's fairly easy to keep an installation clean enough that it doesn't rot.

>>58107310
- Don't install garbage software
- Don't use virtual memory (swap)
- Ccleaner regularly
- Defrag once a month

Never had any issues after years of usage. I have a Win 7 installation from 2009 on a retired desktop, works normally.

>>58107743
>>58107778
Did you guys ever try TronScript?

>>58107801
I have seen installed software screenshots posted here, it makes me want to cut myself.

Most people have multiple versions of Visual C++ and useless software which they don't clean up. After installing/removing repeatedly, the registry becomes a clusterfuck. Many people have 50 applications on startup and use memory leak add-ons on Firefox.

Then turn around and blame Windows for slowing down. A normal shitposter using Windows 10 with 8GB ram should never experience any problems if they do regular maintenance.

>>58107820
Fucking this, "Windows rot" is just an excuse for stupid assholes that fill their PCs with shit and then blame MS for their incompetence. Same with Android when people complain about crappy battery life, then it turns out they've installed 10,000 crapps running in the background doing god knows what.

still on my 2010 install of windows 7. it rots if you install tons of crapware, its fine if you keep a clean house

>>58107851
The easiest trick is to create a new user account. Then just migrate your files.

When you make a new account, the %appdata% folder is reset and all software and shortcuts are created new with default settings.

Fixed so many problems for me.

>>58107820
>>58107842
I'm keepping it minimal and what I've noticed is that updates pushed to software particularly to Windows itself cripples my old computer the most.

>>58107717
it's before apple turned to trash.
One of the worst offenders is Spotlight. Also pre-unix is hardly affected.

>>58107876
I reset PC with every new cumulative update on Windows 10 as it is basically a version upgrade if you look carefully.

That way when you update it again, it only installs one cumulative update with required fixes instead of multiple ones overriding each other.

>>58107868
keeping portable apps instead of installing them also helps apparently

>>58107851
>>58107868
>>58107891

Is there something better than CCleaner for cleaning your registry? And how do you guys maintain your Windows installation folder tidy? Once shit ends up there it stays there.

>>58107988
i've never used a registry fixer, i have doubts about their effectiveness. I occasionally clean out winsxs to keep the size in check

>>58107876
Windows 10 is an exception as MS upgrade model is broken as fuck and they intentionally push bloatware on to your PC. Protip don't use Windows 10.

>>58107743
Seriously. These kids don't know how good they have it. I remember reinstalling windows ME literally at least once a week. 95/98 were naturally a bit better, but they don't even compare to Windows these days.

>>58108374
remember 2003 would get nimda within a few minutes of install

>>58108402
I booted off the same tired recovery floppy so many times the casing broke.

Registry bloat. Saving files on the desktop. Those are two reasons I'm aware of for slow loading times. I use CCleaner for the former and avoid the latter.

>>58108609

Oh, forgot to mention monitoring the startup programs. CCleaner has a quick tool for disabling unwanted programs from loading at startup.

>>58108317
Yeah, already using Windows 7 but the same still applies.

Lol you guys are just retarded.

Windows running slow? Use resource monitor to find the issue.

Having an error? Use the error log to find the exact problem and then Google it.

Program being buggy? Just reset that program's settings.

I've reinstalled XP so many times back in he day, and it many times the problems would come back. I decided to actually fix the OS and now I haven't reinstalled my OS in over 10 years. It runs perfectly fine.

>>58108705
No shit.

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>>58107778
Win7 laptop story.
Used for gaming, was able to run MK9 now it fails to load it.

Win7 was able to play a give away game now i get the mystery error
>There is no arial font can not start this game
The fuck?

It was only used to start steam.

>>58108738
>steam
found your botnet

Why do most error messages end up being there because od missing/corrupted Windows dlls? How does that even happen?

>>58107310
This is simply not true since at least windows 8.1

I have 2+ year old w8.1 installation with tons of installed stuff and customizations

Every time I try clean install I don't notice any speed boost at all and for that reason I always end up reverting to my old OS install via clonezilla backup

>>58107851
This is wrong.
My music player dose not rot after I play to many music files.
My image viewer dose not rot if I view to many images.

So why in the name of tux dose a OS rot?
This only says
>retards wrote this

>>58108795
If you can't notice it doesn't mean it's not true friend.

>>58107908
Yes this is the best why dose Loonix not have all apps portable ?

Like why?

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>>58108840
>compares an operating system to an image viewer

>>58108788
poorly written uninstallers can accidentally delete files multiple programs use.
the more programs you install and then uninstall the higher risk of this happening.

You would think this is what the windows registry is for but nope.

>>58108840
>dose instead of does
someone hasn't taken their dose of 'tism pills

>>58108879
Sad, really.

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>>58108864
The fun fact is that you can write a OS that will never rot.

With little brain smarts its possible.
Try making all the apps portable so the don't damage the OS for starters.

Also what is so different between opening a image and executing a program?
Both are loaded into RAM.

>>58108940

windows slows down because caches & registries grow in size.

think of it like this:

it's obvious when to create something: right when you need it.

but when do you delete it?

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>>58108879
>Completely retarded OS model.
So there is the problem.
This is on the same level like giving every executable super administrator permission and making it greater then the actual user administrator.

For more retardation why not let every program have read/write to system RAM and the OS directory.

MS is retarded the OS should keep track of what is where and all the installer can do is say
>install me!
And the OS decides how to place the files.
After the uninstaller says
>remove me!
The OS looks up where the OS put the files and removes every single one of them.

>>58108940
>apps
;^] baited, heh! U got me xp so smart

If you got anything useful to say then say it, ebin fug.

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>>58108992
Yet running all programs like
portableapps.com
is the solution you nigger! To your endless:
>We don't have any idea how to do things a different way.

>>58108990
>Microsoft
>well and optimzed

Not happening unfortunately.

>>58108635
Ccleaner is good but for this is shit.
Go for Autoruns if you need to.

>>58109056
The only solution like always is to format the OS and do a fresh install every year.

Before I did a fresh install of 10 I ran my w7 install for like 6 years and didn't have that problem. And I had all sorts of shit installed too

>>58109073
The question is did you notice a improvement after formating.

I'm saying formating not some windows build in update OS function.

>>58109022
>wretched, miserable gook calling me a nigger

If you think that'll remedy the OS rot you're fooling yourself, kiddo. It'll help but not fix it.

: }

This thread is actually super fun to read. Not knowing what goes behind the scenes because it's proprietary makes people superstitious.

>>58107310
Linux has rot too but it doesn't seem to effect performance as bad as on windows.

On linux its more cruft really, Sometimes when you uninstall a program it leaves behind config files and empty folders.

>>58109139

Pretty sure all the data mining wrecks the performance as a cherry on top. Something like Blackbird Script could help.

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>>58109138
Its a start.

you remind me of all the professors from programing, idiots really they did think writing

for(int i=0;;i++)
{
cout<<"x ";
if(i%3==0){cout<<"\n";}
}

is a good idea.
Did not think that i will overflow.

My version will write equal columns for ever.
for(int i=0;;i++)
{
cout<<"x ";
if(i%3==0){cout<<"\n"; i=0;}
}

Their will not and get strange behaviors if i overflows.

>>58109177
>Sometimes when you uninstall a program it leaves behind config files and empty folders

And the only bad thing about that is some unclaimed kilobytes.

>>58109220
>if(i%3==0){cout<<"\n"; i=0;}
Aw shit supposed to be:

for(int i=0;;i++)
{
cout<<"x ";
if(i==3){cout<<"\n"; i=0;}
}

>>58109177
never argued that Loonis or Unix/Eunuch is any good.
If the devs took full responsibility for their code instead of the
>Disclaimer of Warranty.

>THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW. EXCEPT WHEN OTHERWISE STATED IN WRITING THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND/OR OTHER PARTIES PROVIDE THE PROGRAM “AS IS” WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PROGRAM IS WITH YOU. SHOULD THE PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION.

>>58109220
Just do i=0; i< buffer_limit; i++

>>58109220
>>58109261

You're cute, I'll give you that. ;-»
Tough luck, I won't fuck you in the stinker like you did to pass college, damn cross-dressing twink.

>>58109261
will you quit babbling

while(1) cout << "x x x \n";

nobody who's written thousands of lines cares about your epic "column writing" (what?!) algorithm, you studly genius you...

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>>58109301
Mine is better.

Its required to display same number of columns of x for ever.

my code works perfectly, for ever their will work and collapse and have weird shit.

These clowns are teaching this, and even if you show them their mistake they are
>Right, Right, Right
And learn nothing.

If these clowns where taken to responsibility only a handful of executions of the dev team later OS crashes would be a thing of the past.

>>58107405
>at least once in 2 years

i reinstall at least every 2 months

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>>58109395
>>58109220
You not only need programming lessons but most importantly English lessons.

>>58109381
Sorry i did not make it clear, the number of columns needs to be user defined.

So instead of a 3 you will have a y variable.
I used 3(a number) to illustrate the idiocy.

>>58109414
>You not only need programming
To be a shit dev who writes crap code?
I think not.
Also little programmer can you explain why your program will stop after the buffer limit? Mine works forever.

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>Pajeets not keeping their feces of """code""" to their general

>>58107700
Not sure when that image was made but updates on OS X have been free since Mavericks.

>>58109490
BUFFER LIMIT!

MUH BUFFER LIMIT!

BOW DOWN TO MUH BUFFARZ

>>58109450
fuck off, you poopoo indian

>>58109450
We get it Rajesh, you're so deep in your ass digging for dat fine poo that going off topic and turning this thread a designated shiting street doesn't matter to you.

The Apple MacBook Pro with Retina Display doesn't have this problem.

Why would Chrome rot?

It keeps crashing pages when I expand images even though it is fine if I open the image-file in a new tab and even though enough RAM is available.

>>58109572
>>58109630

Actually this was a simple example of fucking up.

Especially love the /g/man who submitted a version that fuckes up do to veritable limitations.

This is why Os are crap and rot.
If the programmers think like this, and fuck up on the simple examples can you imagine how hard they fuck up in writing OSs?

>>58109630
MUH BUFFARZ!!!!

>>58109673
BUFFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRZZZZZZZ

>tfw it doesn't matter what OS or device I use as I reinstall/reflash/hard reset it every 6 months
autism is great

I haven't had a windows blot problem in years. I've used the same install of Windows 7 for 4 years with very little slow down.

>>58109673
That's okay, but next time read what you write and be less full of yourself. Yeah, M$' priority right now is anything but making a good OS.

>>58109713
hows ur buffer limits tho?

i'm just wondering

Is it just me or defragmenting almost does nothing? Using an HDD and Defragler.

>>58109815
ur buffers would overflow bro

>>58107310

meh... I've been running the same install of Win7 since 2012 on this laptop. Everything works the same as it did when I first reinstalled it. I can run the same number of VMs witht he same performance, my DAW software runs the same, games run the same, the only issue I have is web browsing and that's because IE, Firefox, and Opera are all shitty and stupidly will consume so much memory they end up shitting all over themselves (this happens across all of my Windows machines and VMs so this is clearly a software issue).

Maybe stop visiting deepweb loli sites and getting infected with NSA spyware? Just a thought.

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Great quality thread.

>>58107820


>Most people have multiple versions of Visual C++

I thought about uninstalling a lot of these but really when I looked up if it was safe pretty much everyone told me the same thing about how you really shouldn't unless you're absolutely certain that other software isn't relying on old versions.

Really though, I have 20 different versions of that shit and I don't really notice any serious problems in Windows 8.1

>>58108705
Wasn't windows supposed to work out of the box?

>>58109860
Hi! It looks like you're trying to moderate :D

Unfortunately, the programmers that wrote this call integer size "buffer limit" and #$%#$$#@^$%&%^&$%^&%^$------------BSOD.DLL

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>>58109954

>>58109926
Name one thing in life that runs perfectly for years.

>>58107310
>Whats up with this why dose this even happen?
Because, once a week microsoft releases multiple patches that modify many system files. It doesn't remove the original files from side by side because some older programs might need them. It keeps copies of every old file in case you remove the update. It then installs the update. This fragments the OS like you wouldn't believe and causes windows rot.

Windows updates, not even once.

>>58108705
try harder next time buddy

>>58110264
An old Nokia phone.

>>58107778
>Don't use virtual memory
This is how I know you're a retard

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>>58109837
>deepweb loli sites

>>58109647
It's expensive, now that's a problem.

>>58110293
Lmfao do u know how computers work

>>58111309
Explain it pal.

>>58107700
Only linux updates usually break EVERYTHING

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>>58111377
stop using a bleeding-edge rolling-release meme distro

>>58111334
If ntdll has an 0day in one of the functions that allows a user mode process to privesc to system, they replace it they don't fuckin make a copy of ntdll for backwards compatibility
The actual kernel and subsystems are ALL overwritten when they get updated
Different versions of client software like dot net 3.5 and 4 might be installed in parrallel, but underlying kernel shit is all replaced when updated

>>58111425
Then what causes rot?

>>58111196
Most of the fragmentation in the system and storage drives is caused by virtual memory swap file. Fragmentation is the main reason Windows runs slow since XP.

Seems like you are the fucking retard here bitch boy.

>>58111196
>B-but muh SSD!
>I have more RAM than I need anyways!
t. People who don't understand the benefits of virtual memory.

>>58111501
Like what?

>>58111501
>I have more RAM than I need anyways!
>Wants to use virtual memory

Explain this!

>>58111501
virtual memory is only required if there is a kernel panic and windows needs to dump error logs and all that jazz.

this has never happened and yet I have to keep it on so windows does not shit itself. i was hoping in 10 they would remove this condition.

>>58111483
The swap file literally exists just so that pages in memory that aren't being used don't take up physical RAM space.
When you run an executable, it only maps what is needed onto your physical memory, pages that aren't relevant are pushed out of the 'working set' -- physically backed memory, and placed in the swap file. When the executable needs that memory, a page fault occurs and the kernel will go copy it out of the swap file and into physical memory and map it to the appropriate location

>>58111446
Installing garbage, older hardware, badly written code in the kernel
It could be thousands of things

>>58111573
I have literally never crossed my ram threshold. Only Windows 7 which needs 5gb ram to check for updates did I cross into swap territory.

Regardless, Windows is a very poorly designed OS for gaming. It takes up too much resources.

>>58111599
I constantly ran out of my 4GiB or RAM on my old XP machine.

This is why I have 16GiB now and want to upgrade to 32 GiB.
On 16 GiB RAM is never a problem.

>>58111599
It happens without you knowing, threads that are suspended get pushed to the swap
It's legitimately a good thing with almost no downsides (it's slightly slower than actually keeping it on ram due to disk read/write times)

>>58111626

were you running XP-64bit? 'cause 32 bit XP can't use 4GB.

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>>58111626
uh... I use Chrome. Laptop is old, can't find a cheap 4gb ram module for my model.

>>58111684
32 bit.
XP 64 is a like a super rare breed senpai.

>>58111687
>Chrome
>4GiB

So you open 1 tab and the computer makes browsing a living hell?

>>58107310

Your English is atrocious.

>>58111280

Stop being poor then.

>>58111729
>Your English is atrocious.
Show one mistake.

>>58111377

I've been using ElementaryOS for a year. Shit works just fine.

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>>58111725
about 7-8 tabs my fan starts screaming and mouse cursor lags.

This is ram usage with 2 tabs.

>>58111748
>Why dose windows rot over time?
Why does Windows rot over time?
>It literally will slows down over time and get more shit.
It will literally slow down and get more shit over time.
>mister errors that till make some programs impossible to run.
Mister errors? that will make some programs impossible to run.
>Every instance of windows degenerates in a different way.
What instances are you speaking of?
>Whats up with this why dose this even happen?
What's up with this, why does this even happen?
>Do the log files chock the system over time who is constantly recording everything?
Do the log files choke the system over time? Is Windows constantly recording everything?
>Is this intensional or is Ms this level of incompetent?
Is this intentional or is MS incompetent?

Kill yourself.

>>58107310
3 years haven't had to reinstall windows, working as new.
The only thing that's rotting is your ability to maintain a computer.

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>>58111795
That feeling when you have a 4GiB XP machine that can run FierFox with over 100 tabs open.

Chrome truly is a steaming pile of shit.
Google needs to kill itself.

>>58111514
The short of it is that your OS and its memory management subsystem are designed around having swap/a pagefile available. It's smart enough to not use it for stuff you'll likely need, so it's not going to slow anything down. It doesn't get much written to it, so your precious SSD (that you'll never use the full write capacity of anyways) won't be getting much additional wear. Even mostly unused, though, it still allows for better allocation of your physical RAM. There's no downsides, so leave well enough alone and let the OS have whatever default amount it wants.

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>>58111425
Damn, this guy really knows his shit.

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>>58112376
And I barely allow updates to run and windows is still a huge fucking mess

>>58112376
Still no one has this quite right so I'll put my knowledge out there and maybe someone can correct me.
winsxs holds all the DLLs and other system components that you could possibly need. When you install a system component like IIS or .NET, everything is either already in winsxs or gets downloaded there. Then hardlinks are created so that it looks like the required components are in system32 or other places. The rest of the install time is spent enabling services, checking dependencies, initializing config and cache, etc.
In the case of updating ntdll, when you do an update all the links are changed to point to the new version. The old version is still there, but no applications are allowed to use it for "backwards compatibility" or anything. If you needed to roll back the update, the links would just need to be changed again.
The Disk Cleanup utility can remove old backups of system files if you need the disk space, but otherwise there's no connection between having those backups and system performance.

>>58112614
>The Disk Cleanup utility can remove old backups of system files if you need the disk space
Nope, you can't use Disk Cleanup to cleanup all the old versions. You might be able to use command line utility with the /ResetBase switch to clear out all the old uninstall copies.

>otherwise there's no connection between having those backups and system performance
Fragmentation

>>58111377
1/10 for making me respond. this is the dumbest meme only used by /v/fags that never used a linux distro. It's not funny anymore

>>58112756
It's not like every windows update is causing fragmentation. .NET for example is very fragmented, but the core components have to update cleanly.

>>58107310
planned obsolescence

>>58110264
Kenyans

>>58112836
It doesn't matter if you have an SSD but if you have a traditional platter HDD, it does. When windows installs it installs all system files to the fastest part of the disk. As you install things and run updates, those system files get moved to the slower parts of the disk after every update which it why it takes longer and longer after every update. When files update, the files always get larger so its not like they can even take the same place on the disk. They just get shoved wherever.

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>Use Windows 7 for years
>Out of the blue having serious issues, everything is slow, sometimes things don't open, have to use task manager to do anything
>No reason why
>Suddenly windows partition drive is inaccessible/corrupt
>Can't perform scandisk or fix anything, figure win just needs a repair
>Long ago lost Win7 install thumb
>Win10 was free at the time... Oh well here goes
>Install goes fine
>Literally the exact same problems. Programs refuse to open entirely.
>On a whim I pop out one of my 2tb storage HDDs which has been working fine and had nothing to do with my OS
>Everything goes back to normal for no explainable reason whatsoever
>Now stuck with Win10 forever
>I hate it every day and I want to die

>>58112957
>No reason why
your hard drive or ssd was dying, that's why

>>58107649
I have an Intel 750 pci-e SSD and an i7-4790k. It's been a year and a half and it's starting to slow. Pretty grim.

>>58113619
Define "starting to slow" and post specs.

I really don't see any downgrade in my Windows performance.

All I do is check the basic shit like startup programs, services, scheduled tasks every once in a while to make sure nothing shitty is running.

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>>58107310
>mister errors that till make some programs impossible to run
What did he mean by this?

>>58107310
ive had my windows 7 since 2011 and it still runs like new. and i got a ton of music and pictures.

just dont download cancer.

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>>58107310
but m-m-m-muh SSDs