Will today's kids even understand how computers really work?

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>>58058569
nope

>>58058569
do they really have to?
not like anyone programs in low-level languages anymore

>>58058569
Quantum physics is part of basic education in EU so probably yes. Not sure about Americucks.

if they want to.
people should stop pushing the meme that ever faggot on the earth needs to program.

The ones who wants to learn, there's a lot of people in our generation who grew up playing computer games but are still computer illiterates too

>>58058569
Mines (when I'll have) will. They won't get a fucking tablet, they'll use a PC/laptop and a phone.

>>58058569
>it's another aging-grampa-trying-to-feel-superior-about-his-generation-because-he-realizes-he-passed-his-prime episode
>pass the torch and retire already, old man.

No, but yesterday's kids didn't either. There are more kids now than ever who know computers.

>>58058569
Is the picture on the left from the movie war games?

>>58058569
Do you know how magic work?

>>58058697
>on /g/
>having kids
>ever

>>58058674
Good programmers should know:
At least 2 high level languages
At least 2 low level languages
How compilers work

If you're not interested in knowing how the code you're writing actually works, what the fuck are you doing programming

>>58058797
>TFW wife is due at the end of March

>>58058569
>Will today's kids even understand how computers really work?
You don't understand how most things in your world work so don't start getting arrogant just because you think you know a little more than someone else.
Most hobbyists have a tech level about equal to someone using a can-opener and calling himself a chef.
This is why the tech jobs are filled from overseas.

>>58058682
Where? Not in Germany

>>58058863
To create? I think there are two parts when it comes to why programming is enjoyable:
The logic and actually understanding computers.
The creating, to open up an empty text file and simply create something. You dont need to know how a compiler works to enjoy this :)

>>58058569
>back in good old days!
shoot yourself

>>58058569
I don't plan on having kids so it doesn't really matter to me. I'll be old and angry on my front lawn soon enough anyways.

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>>58058863
>tfw to intelligent too code in low and high level languages
>tfw to intelligent too not program in raw machine code comprised of binary

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>>58058569
People who are actually interested in computers will always learn how they work - the only difference between then and now is that they used to be made for professional and *required* a certain level of expertise while now they're basically designed for stupid people. Which is good, because the advancements we enjoy today wouldn't have been possible if the market for computers was still the same size as it was in the 80s and early to mid 90s.

>>58058909
I'm from Baden-Württemberg and we did learn some basics about it. Obviously not the mathematical basics.

if you were born after '95 you're a faggot.

>>58059080
What part? Go Stuttgart or go home.

I see a kids trying to use a monitor as a touchscreen. Probably don't know what a keyboard and mouse is, either.

>Your mom/dad's generation
Cars
>Your generation
Computers
>1995+ kids generation
Social Media (tumblr/facebook/twitter)

>>58059080
I'm from Stuttgart and our physics teacher only told us about shrödingers cat. I call bullshit.

>>58059080
>learn some basics
I took Quantum Mechanics in university as part of my physics degree and those were the fucking basics.

So you might have had it mentioned in class in a super-simplified way.

"Nobody understands quantum mechanics." ~ Richard Feynman

>>58059120
>Your mom/dad's generation
Sex
>Your generation
Masturbation
>1995+ kids generation
Robot loi

>>58058863
lol the majority of programming jobs are web devs.

>>58058909
Quantum Physics is heretical teachings from demons, that are forbidden by the Prophet Muhammad, blessings be upon him. Thats why Germany removed it.

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>>58058569
Nice iPhone manlette

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>>58059121
>>58059080
also from Stuttgart here, we definetly learned the basics about quantum physics.
pic related, its definetly in the curriculum, even for both LK and non LK

>>58059152
I'm willing to bet my life that, if you had to guess how many Muslims actually live in Germany (w/o looking up statistics, of course), you'd overestimate the number by several hundred percent. I'll give you a hint: there's more than ten times as many Christians (not people, just Christians) in Germany and I dare say that's worse.

>>58058948
>to/too
man I think you aren't even intelligent enough to use a human language
let those poor computers alone

>>58058682
>Implying students aren't retarded and care

>>58058870
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>58059141
Damn that hits home hard.

Hopefully I'll be able to experience the VR waifu age in coming decades.

When you consider that the people on /g/ who do know how computers work probably learned it from tinkering and fucking around - yes, I think there will always be kids who understand. Most people today don't, but then again most adults today also don't know how computers work, they just use them.

There are so many cheap computers now - the Raspberry Pi, Orange Pi, Intel NUC, etc etc, and so much free software - Linux, most programming languages - and so many free materials to help kids learn.

So no, I don't think we'll end up with a generation of idiots. If we ended up here then those kids will end up just fine too.

>>58059237
>>58059152
>>58058682
fucking trolls
Quantum Physics isn't part of basic education anywhere, and it never was
>inb4 hurr durr university is basic education XDDDDDDDDD

>>58058665
did fuckin lel. Thanks bruh

>>58059265
its simply wrong. look at the fucking image of the germany physics curriculum.
hint: Quantenphysik means Quantum Physics
>>58059176

>>58059176

11/12 isn't basic any more.

>>58059297
they are part of gymnasium like any other class, idk why that doesn't count as basic

>>58059265
I didn't mention quantum physics, neither directly or indirectly, anywhere just FYI.

>>58059291
I'm a German you dumbass
that picture is wrong

>>58059316
Im in first year of uni right now and the pic is exactly what we did in the last year of school lol

>>58059058
True, but I'd argue that computers used to actually be simpler.

Before you could read a couple manuals and basically know how shit worked.

Nowadays we've stacked so much on top of so much that there are areas of specialization within computers.

It's cool, but also kind of depressing, in a way.

>>58059307

Gymnasium is extended education.
Only 9 years are compulsory, so even regular school is more than you need.

>>58058569
Like every generation:
>A few will
>A lot won't

>>58058863
Good programmers should know:
arbitrary requirements I just made up

>>58058697
You better save up some money soon and purchase some t420's because we are heading to a world where PCs and laptops will disappear.

>>58059341
>Gymnasium is extended education.
You can argue a lot about that. I get your point but I'd say more kids go to gymnasium than to other schools, it very much feels like it is the expected standard for education and realschule/haupt is "worse"

>Only 9 years are compulsory, so even regular school is more than you need.
well yeah, but you need the 3 years for the actual gymnasium exam

>arguing in a lewronggeneration thread about the german school system

>>58059243
It's a meme, you dingus.

>>58058569
Do you even understand how telephones work?

Part of the problem with this is, what constitutes knowing how a computer works?

Are you talking about a loose conceptual yet usefull understanding of it or are you talking knowing every nut and bolt?

>>58059373

I don't have to argue facts though.
To quote a Wikipedia entry I just made up:

> Ein Gymnasium ist eine weiterführende Schule des sekundären Bildungsbereichs, die zur Hochschulreife führt

Secondary means it's not basic.

Sad reality that Abitur/Uni is expected for a lot of shit that has no real need for it notwithstanding.
There's also some states with 12 years of compulsory school apparently.
Because the federal education system is horrible like that and should be aborted.

>>58059422
>Sad reality that Abitur/Uni is expected for a lot of shit that has no real need for it notwithstanding.
Thats what I wanted to say with my post. From the beginning of the thread I was like "this is basic" until I remembered Realschule is probably the biggest portion of students in Germany.

>>58059361
I doubt.

>>58058797
Not now, but I plan to in the future (:

>>58059373
ok wenn wir schon dabei sind
die meisten Abschlüsse sind Realschulabschlüsse, nicht Abi
Wesentlich mehr Leute machen Ausbildungen als Uniabschlüsse, der Schein trügt, da eine ungeheure Anzahl von Leuten die Uni anfängt, sie beenden diese aber niemals und wechseln direkt ins Berufsleben oder fangen Ausbildungen an

hat alles nich mit dem Thema hier zu tun

btt
OP is a faggot

>>58059058
Damn I love to see IBM logo on things.. I don't know why I love them so much

>>58058569
Nah, there's too much babysitting in today's soft & hardware.
They grow up as users, and step up to becoming a creator is disproportionately higher than it used to be.

On the other hand i guess that means those chosen few who bother to make the effort are going to be better than the zerg of computer science student we're (still) getting now

>>58058569
do you?
>where is your asm editor?
>where is your diy cpu with your home-brew bios

pff when these newfags can't even write a bootloader, we in our time had each one a selfmate programming language

>inb4 op is a fag

>>58059485
tbqhwyfamalam IBM is actually the cancer that started all the other cancers in the tech industry

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>>58058569
http://time.com/3844483/millennials-secrets/
The youngest generation is less computer literate than their predecessors

They don't know how to fill a spreadsheet, compose an email, or even use a search engine intuitively. They largely don't understand anything outside of the context of a walled garden touchscreen app.

Computer literacy peaked and is declining

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>>58059400

This. After independently studying for a CompTIA A+ cert, then taking a couple classes in C++, then getting a short-term certificate in IT Fundamentals that covered a broad foundation of everything including web development and network management, and now in the middle of focusing on getting a CCNA, I realize how little I know every semester.

Who cares?

Job security for me.

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>>58059176
do you learn some more stuff about it or is it still just a bit of an extension on electromagnetism/wave theory through inference and heisenberg uncertainty? (or whatever it's called in english)

>>58059563
That actually gives me some peace, anon. Thanks.

>>58059577
yeah I think thats it. we also had a bit about the observing stuff and chaos theory (but that was more because we had time and the class was interested in it)

>>58058916
>Good programmers
>enjoyable

The amount of joy you get has nothing to do with how good you really are.

>>58059563
Literally all meme certs lmao.

>>58059173
Django my love!!!

>>58059547
>They don't know how to fill a spreadsheet, compose an email, or even use a search engine intuitively

Kek. At least I know I'll be competing with these people in the job market, since I'm 18 years old.

>>58059658
Of course it has. What, are you retarded? Do you actually think that emotional appeal has nothing to do with developing and using a skill?
Or are you just trollin and masturb8in?

>>58059176
Ex physicist here. No you didn't learn the basics of quantum physics in high school.

>>58059826
bro, the apple and the tree with the guy?

does it matter
i know and i regret because really it is a black box

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>>58059734

I never claimed any different. All certs are memes. But, I was interested in learning and began with a logical starting point. I wasn't sure which direction I wanted to go, so I learned a little about everything. When networking piqued my interest, I decided to focus in that direction. The certs just happen, I guess, by continuing to learn in a specific discipline and demonstrating a standardized aptitude.

I'm sure they won't hurt.

>>58059806
>Do you actually think that emotional appeal has nothing to do with developing and using a skill?
It helps when learning, and for motivation. It has nothing to do with being good at it in the end.

>>58059826
>hurr durr nobody understands quantum physics XDDDD
yeah, of course we didnt learn quantum physics on any understandable level. we still learned the fucking absolute basics of it

>>58058569
they already don't
http://www.coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/

>>58058704
>pass the torch
how?
if kids now don't learn to use computers now, who will work on them when they grow up?

>>58060025
no you didnt

Just like the people back then, those nowadays who are really interested in learning what the fuck their computers are doing and how to tell them to do other things will take the energy required to do so. Back then most people didn't learn to program, and avoided computers whenever necessary and only nerds tinkered with them. Now computers have become easy enough for the common person to use, and it is expected that you use one, however just like before, the nerds that are really interested will learn.
Stop jacking each other off, people haven't changed, you just look at things differently and remember things the way you want to remember them.

>>58060166
Except that's provably untrue

Not everyone could program but "average" people, the endless hordes of cubicle jockeys, could use relatively complex software like Word and Excel and now they can't

>>58060166
"back then" the average person wasn't using computers for much at all, nowadays everyone uses them for everything, there's a lot more at stake now when you involve a permanent internet connection, personal information being sent and received across various platforms, online banking, work being conducted entirely on a computer (as opposed to just assisted such that the computer wasn't a critical part of the work), etc
back then not knowing how to use a computer didn't prevent you from doing anything you needed to do, can you say the same now?

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>have a child
>dress her in cute clothes
>give her an old laptop
>teach her how computers work and how to program
>"computers are love, computers are life"
>"remember, child, there's no love outside the heat of your computer's insides"
>encourage her to be /cyb/ and to pursue a STEM course

if (child == boy)
    printf( "Treat her like a girl!" );

>>58058569
Unfortunately, I believe that computer literacy will decline with the spread off tablets and other forms of toy computers replacing more traditional forma.

>>58058797
>he doesn't have a qt genius waifu to bear the next generation of super intelligent children
Do your job Anon. There are too many plebs having children and we must survive.

>implying the average child will not learn monoid theory, complex analysis and density functional theory at 8 within three years thanks to Bill Nye

You guys do understand that learning theory is different from actual practice, right?

>>58059237
they are at a minimum 300% of the population.

the germans literally left their houses out of Guilt and moved towards russia to lets Muslims take their homes.

>>58059965
Not all certs are memes, the meme certs are multiple choice ones.
The real certs are the ones where you actually have to do stuff to get it.
The problem with the first is that you can usually braindump those certs in 3 days, so instead learning to pass your CCNA learn to understand and to configure the stuff and keep learning that even after your CCNA ( lots of people just stop with that and can't configure shit which means worthless cert )

>>58058569
>implying yesterday's kids understand it
The average person doesn't know jack shit about computers.

>>58060891
How did the subject turn to this?

>>58058569
The vast majority of adults and current teenagers don't either.

>>58058863
So C and C++ for high level, and ASM and...verilog? for low level.

>>58059775
No, you'll be competing with premade but less than perfect resources, and preexisting ML shops.

>>58060973
/thread

>>58059237
>and I dare say that's worse.
Except Christianity is culturally Germanic...

>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/12/american-millennials-least-skilled-study_n_6852650.html

>reading/writing score 17th place out of 23 other first world countries
>math score 21st out of 23
>technology/computer skill 18th out of 23

Millennials are fucking stoopid

>>58059243
go back

>>58059375
go back

>>58058569
I grow up on windows XP.
I did know where to click to do my stupid stuff.
I just didn't know how it was working.
At 14, I asked my dad (engineer) How computers work. He explain me how work memory, cpu, and screen (very basicly). And then I start coding, a bit.

In front of windows XP or a tablette, you have the same distence with understanding the tech behind.
The only problème is that no one like to program on a tablet.

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So glad I grew up riding my skateboard, sailing, playing tennis and picking up chicks, instead of tinkering with tech in a dark gloomy room.

>>58058569
The real question is:
Do you?

>>58058682
No it's not

>>58060189
Anyone working a cubicle job will know how to work both of those programs to some degree. In fact, I don't think I've ever met anyone who doesn't know how to use Word.

>>58059547
Kids are getting dumber and dumber these days, partly because everything is streamlined.

I chuckled at the recent news that Facebook is "out" because maintaining a profile is too much work for those little fucktards.

>>58058674
>do they really have to

who the fuck is going to make (and improve) computers if no one understands how computers work?

>>58063946
But that's not the case, and most likely never will be

>>58063080
And look where you are now

>>58064003
The engineers must understand how a computer works. They even going as far as studying boolean algebra.

>>58063946
The total number of people who know how computers work has still gone way up.

>>58064053
way down* ftfy

>>58063946
How the fuck does the general population get dumbed down by tablets and phones if no one knows how to make them?

>>58064079
Nah, back in the day you only had like 5 nerds using computers, so the percentage really doesn't matter.

>>58062315
Nah that's just Americans

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>>58058569
That's a joke you fucking nitwit.

It's making fun of people that view the past through rose tinted glasses no matter what's involved.

Yes, you're glad that the computer you used growing up was a 10 line wood-panelled CRT screen with 10 kilobytes of memory instead of an iPad. Really nigger.

>>58058569
You say that like yesterday's kids understand how computers really work.

>>58059547
Millennials are not the youngest generation, retard.

Yesterday's kids don't really understand either.

>>58064193
Then you'll gladly fuck off to a European website on the European internet...wait.

>>58064321
4chan is owned by a nip

>>58059176
I'm Swabian as well but never learned anything about quantum physics in school.

But that was still under G9 so maybe they changed it.

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>>58059058
That beautiful beamspring

>>58058909
>nicht in der Hauptschule

>>58064380
Nip that lives in murrica

>>58058948

> being too dumb for base 64

>>58064321
>American Millennials Are Some Of The World’s Least Skilled People, Study Finds
>American Millennials
>>Millennials are fucking stoopid
You just proved the article right with that display of your reading comprehension skills, if anything.

t. gen z

I'm a Cloverfag and dualboot Leenucks + Windows 10. Lubuntu with Numix Red.

>>58058870
March 31 is my birthday, it's a good day

>>58064321
The Internet was an America invention but HTTP and the Web was invented by a British man working at Cern.

>>58059312
>doesnt realise computers employ quantum physics

>>58058569
They won't and they don't

>>58059243
Top kek

>>58058863

keke you're retarded, understanding how it works doesn't mean shit as long as you can make it work

>what the fuck are you doing programming

Working and earning money while want-to-know-it-all autists are unemployed because they try too hard.

>>58068272
everyone knows who the web was invented by, no one cares.

>>58058569
There will always be people, even if these degenerative modern generations, who are willing to be more than shallow consumers.

There will always be those who eventually stop and think "Hey, I wonder how my favorite technologies actually work." and start taking an interest in the deeper mechanics of the technologies that most of them take for granted.

Unfortunately OP, there will never be anyone else who knew life before the internet, before social media. We are the last pre-internet generation, and we are the only ones who will know just how drastically the internet changed the world.

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>>58058569
>astral WiFi
>ASTRAL WIFI
In short, nah.

My first computer was a BBC Micro.

My first games came in magazines, where you typed out the code of the game. No disks just copying the printed words from the page.

Learning word processors involved two windows.
One for the WYSIWYG window and one for the instructions where you had to type out the commands for fonting, macros etc...

Now I'm just seeing greasy fingers smearing across tablet screens.

>>58059087
>as if when you can control when you are born
Really?

>>58058569
No, my brother is Gen Z and doesn't understand shit despite being on his phone/tablet 16 hours a day.

>>58059361
Nah, not with all of these "sick new MLG CS:GO and PC CoD" gamers...

>>58058569
Some of the 17 years olds I see nowadays spend most of their time on phones. They have a laptop but only use it when they need to type a report or something similar. They want an app for everything and the difference between an app and a website is becoming lost to them.

Drives me crazy.

>>58059806
>this guy has never seen cubicles/ an office.
It's like everyone there is dead inside.

>>58070112
>fictionkin
I have the soul of a non-existent character in a story

Just kill me now.

>>58070222
I fucking hate web portal "apps". Why do you need a million single use web browsers on your phone when you have one that can do it all?

>>58058569
Yeah, but I had to JO to Victoria Secret catalogs back in the day. I like my high speed porn

>>58058863
Isn't a lot of the low level stuff relegated to engineers and PHDs now?

>>58058569
my little brother, now ten, can tell my anything about minecraft for the ipad. but doesnt know what gpu means. when i was 9 i built my irst computer. kids now a days will never understand the strugle of trying to buy pc parts at the age of 9.

>>58058948
Take those retarded glasses off wojack.

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>>58058948
>tfw to intelligent to anything except x86 micro-ops

>>58068105
it's my birthday too. brofist bro

>>58058569
I was born in the 90s and grew up in the 2000s mostly without a fucking computer at all because I was being raised by my single tech illiterate mom who literally hated computers and equaled them to marijuana. I'm ricing my Linux distro now, so I turned out fine.

>>58058704
>t. mactoddler

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>>58058569

>be me
>1982, 5th grade
>school has two Apple II+ and Apple IIe machines
>took home the Apple manual which taught things like programming in BASIC as well as machine language
>learned to make shape tables, sounds, detect collisions and shit
>spend extraordinary amount of time in the school's 3 machine computer lab
>learn to repair machines as well, school now calls on me to fix them when issues arise.
>friends call me "computer man"
>"anon... all you think about is computer, computer, computer..."
>Mom buys pic related for Xmas in the 6th or 7th grade, knowledge and programming ability increases dramatically.
>known as a computer nerd from the 5th grade through 7th grade when the family moves to a larger city.
>fast forward 30+ years. Making six figures as an infrastructure and network security consultant.
>one day google old friend from the 5th-7th grade.
>Registered sex offender, likely not working because "unlawful sexual conduct w/minor 13-16".

shoulda focused on computers like I did instead of chasing underage tail.

>>58064193
I'm an American. I'm pretty sure I'm retarded. This post checks out.

>>58062239
>C
>high level

>>58058569
>Will today's kids even understand how computers really work?
nobody really knows
maybe guy like Wozniak understands how computer 40 years ago works, but not the current one
humans are outdated

>>58062313
I don't care where it came from, it's wrong, and that's what counts.

>>58075837
its wrong, but it isn't worse because modern Christianity is integrated and tame and Islam is literally anti-German, and will be until it becomes a part of the German identity

t. slavic immigrant to Germany, so I'm allowed to criticize Germans

>>58058863
>>58059143
>>58059358
>>58069717

Good programmers should know:

At least 1 object-oriented language (C++, Java, Scala)

At least 1 functional language (LISP, Haskell, Scala)

At least 1 low-level language (x86_64, ARM, VHDL)

How compilers work

Very basic complexity theory is sufficient. Just be aware of big-O notation.

Basic data structures and algorithms.

>>58060517
lets hope you never reproduce

>>58075931
>At least 1 functional language
stopped reading there. but I agree, VHDL should be taught early on for exploring logic and systems design, shit is getting better and better every decade.

>>58076037
My CompSci undergraduate studies mandated VHDL and Assembly in the very first semester.
LISP in the second.

>>58075887
Christians have actual influence in Germany while Muslims most definitely don't (small minorities don't get special treatments - ask Asians in the U.S.). It doesn't matter how 'bad' a religion is on paper - the reality is, people will look at you funny when you don't believe in 'God' (especially in the south, where even the traditional greeting directly refers to the Christian god) while anti-Islamic ideas are practically incouraged.

>>58064321
>All the great American scientists were migrants from Europe

>>58058797
I have two nigger

>>58058569
You guys are underestimating a children ability to learn new things. Im a dad of 5 years old, and im pretty impressed with how he managed to learn to use my old nexus7 tablet so fast, and when i let her use my rig, he managed to learn how to go to youtube in less than 10 minutes...

OTOH, my 62 years old dad, to this day, still asking for things like how to use apps on his phone to me.

>>58058682
America invented internet you refugee loving eurocuck. America is superior to europe.

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>ethernet is a cable

>>58076037
Functional languages improve your programming skills across the board, even if you don't end up using the language itself.

Passing the LISP class at university undoubtedly made me a better C++ programmer. I cause fewer side-effects now.

If they want to

I saw a video of a kid earlier today that made a functioning computer in minecraft
that kid knows how computers work

>>58076338
I think its a fear of permanently breaking things that the older generation is sticking to.
the kids have a pretty good idea that it would be super hard to permanently break a computer just by misusing it.

>>58076527
>I saw a video of a kid earlier today who implemented a step-by-step tutorial of a functioning computer in minecraft
ftfy

>>58058569
I don't understand very well and I've been using them for 20 years.

>>58075931
Good programmers should know web development so they can get a job

>>58076209
raising them after your wife cucked you with jamal?

>>58076598
Right, and I followed a step by step tutorial the first time I built a computer. It's called learning

>>58058691
this

>>58076629
if he followed a tutorial then he doesn't actually know how it works

>>58076653
are you implying that to know how something works you have to design it from scratch?


see most humans have to go through a "learning" phase before they reach the "knowing" phase

>>58076653
and how is that?
that makes no sense

>>58060517
I wish i was your child. Now i'm too old to become a woman

>>58076487
is that like wired wifi?

>>58076683
yeah it's a wifi cable

>>58076487
some people can't tell the difference between "wifi" and "internet"

>>58075756
It gives you access to some low-level stuff, but if you're not using hexadecimal or some other shorthand for binary, it's not low-level.

>>58070188
>as if you can control your sexuality
Really?

>>58076552
Good point, older people grew up by tinkering mechanical machine which, if you fuck up something, it may not work again. My dad always fix his car by himself, something that i cant/have wills to do.

I can imagine they probably wondering that if they broke a software, they might also broke the machinery inside

>>58058682
Link? - Nice bait

>>58079156
>My dad always fix his car by himself, something that i cant/have wills to do.
Lol this retard can't read a fucking manual.

>>58058569
No. Computer literacy has actually gone down over time.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/11/13/behind-americas-decline-in-math-science-and-technology

>>58059375
>>58062355
It's not a meme
You're full of shit and made that up just now.

>>58059375
*you dip

>>58058697
>mines will

what do the explosives want anon, tell us their secrets

The ones who give a shit will probably outskill me at least.

I mean kids are taught programming mandatory in 6th grade these days, I only ever took it in college and knew just enough to scoot by.

Little faggits cant even use condom technology right

>>58059775
Nope.
We will probably contending our work places with pajeets

>>58058569
>Will today's kids even understand how computers really work?
It's like the generations before: Few will, most not.
/thread

>>58060011
But the question was:
>If you're not interested in knowing how the code you're writing actually works, what the fuck are you doing programming[?]

Anon answered it as:
>enjoyable

The question was never about what makes a good programmer.

>>58058682
> EU creates super geniuses with education plan
> another European world war breaks out
> US steals all the scientist from Europe once again

You guys never learn

>>58075931
VHDL is not the same thing as a low level programming language bucko

>>58075837
>culturally Germanic

It's an immigrant religion from the desert. True Aryans should be pagan.

>>58058569
No, but most of today's adults don't understand them either.

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an android tablet would actually be a pretty good starter computer. The kid could learn a lot if they fuck around with emulation, ricing, etc.

There's more potential there than my first computer, tbqh.

>>58058682
Quantum mechanics isn't even practical or complete. Any country making it mandatory is fucking retarded.

>>58058863
>At least 2 low level languages
There are only two though. C is high-level.

>>58080683
>one of the most successful scientific theories, judging by all the very accurate predictions tested at all energy levels available today or in the foreseeable future, beyond all orginal expectations is "incomplete"
American education.

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>>58058863
Good job, you triggered all the javamemesters

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>This thread.

Good programmers should know:
Everything

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>>58059453
>(:
>a fucking (:
CAN'T YOU EVEN GET A SMILE THE RIGHT WAY?
FUCK

>>58079532
this is wrong. 100 years ago computer literacy was at zero percent. Any time in history before that it would also have been at zero percent. I don't think there is even room to make the argument that computer literacy has actually gone down over time

>>58081667
>X literacy has gone up because a million years ago it was 0%
uhuh

They tried, this "hour of code" and code.org. It failed miserably, gave kids the impression it was that easy, most of the faggots dropped it once class ended and didn't even want to do it.

t. a teacher that was forced to do the "hour of code"

>>58058569
Looks like you've confused growing up with getting older, OP.
Growing up means you stop trying to run other people's lives and can tolerate different opinions to yours.

>>58060084
>>58060189

Is this how people see today's generation? Just because the people around you failed to develop interest in computers, doesn't mean our entire generation is doomed.

>cousin is 19, studying mechanical engineering, and is super into building computers and coding.

>>58076487
it is
why else would the ethernet be both on the physical and on the data link layer

reminder that kids ~back then~ didn't know shit about the workings of computers either

those who are interested will learn it, and those who aren't interested don't need to and really haven't needed to since the mid 90s. it's just up to those who wanna go deeper and learn how computers operate and how to program and stuff like that

for some reason this thread is going "kids = all users" and "all users = programmers"

>>58076653
textbooks are just tutorials, anon

>>58059283
You have to be 18 to post on this site.

>>58083113
that never stopped anyone

>>58082713
what has changed is the number of known people who say and think they know anything about computers, don't
and the fact that a lot of parents believe their children to be good with or will be good with computers because of their exposure to them

>>58079532
Computer """"""literacy"""""" is such a stupid fucking phrase and it certainly hasn't gone down. There are just a higher proportion of unskilled computer users than skilled computer users than before when computers were largely in academic, research, and business applications rather than in your house so you can jerk off to billions of people.

>>58059152
Isn't it Christians who prevent basic science from being taught in schools ?
The Quaran talks about science in it and tries to justify evolution within the realms of god.

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>>58076134
>>58075837
>>58075887
>Whaaaa people make fun of me for being an atheist whaaaaa

Enjoy burning in hell faggot scum. No wonder Germany is such a cucked nation.

>>58080294
Funny how once Germany turned its back on Christianity and embraced peganism it immediately became a shit hole occupied by foreign powers for half a century eh?

>>58083326
It really should be required somehow that you need at least a high school diploma to post on here so we can get rid of the retards like you.

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>>58058932
>implying you'll even have a front lawn when the liberal cucks take over and cram us all into the cities

>>58081785
>t.

what does this mean?

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>>58080358
>ricing
>emulation
>learning

>>58084264
Abbreviation for a Finnish word meaning 'regards' or something like that. It's how you'd end a letter.

>>58078741
>you can't
really?

>>58080179
>VHDL is not the same thing as a low level programming language bucko
VHDL can be used as a low-level programming language

>>58058682
Really? Last I heard they basically debunked string theory outside of a few unlikely scenarios.

>>58059152
Fuck off sandnigger faggot.

>>58084012
You're weird.

>"A good programmer knows what I know"
/g/ gets more and more pathetic.

>>58058569
no.

>>58080704
C is a high and low level language depending on the application

>>58084012
Your kind has nothing but straw man to argue against and your image is a gross (and most likely deliberate) misrepresentation of reality. People who fit your "fat, fedora-wearing, smug atheist" stereotype might exists, but they're a small minority and consists mostly of stupid teenagers and kids in their twenties. And I wonder, why doesn't your "atheist" look like Arthur Schopenhauer, Alfred Nobel, Brad Pitt, or Jodie Foster who were/are atheists as well?

>>58058569
it's like it always was. bunch of kids will get shit right, bunch of kids will keep using it in consumer way. programming classes in elementary school never, lain got right only smartphones and mainstream virtual societies

it's not like people become 1337 hax0rs solely because at some point they had c64. computer shit requires love.

>>58079390
>Hurr durr i have plenty of free time that i chose to fix it myself instead of paying someone to do it for me

>>58058569
no http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/

>>58064321
American websites are literal trash. The only good website is Google (search is just unbeatable) and that wasn't invented by americucks.

>>58063080
well. You've come far if you're now on /g/

>>58076487
>ethernet
>not wifi cable
get your terms right grandpa

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this is it /g/ents, the end of an era

holy crap this thread is old now

>>58090957
>Wifi cable
Lolol normies..

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I wonder if old people feel the same way about youngsters getting into their hobbies, like cars
>they never had to get in front of the car and spin that metal thing to start her up
>they never had to wait 15 minutes for a single picture to load

>>58082475
*insert thank you gif here*

>>58058863
How can i do the needful and regression unit test the app server in c# in a low level language?

>>58059265
>>inb4 hurr durr university is basic education XDDDDDDDDD

Seeing that you need a university degree to be allowed to serve hamburgers at McDonalds, it might as well be.

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>>58090873
I want to like the story but it's like this person is a 14 year old girl who isn't like the other girls and just found out about sarcasm and thinks it is the end all be all epitome of humor.

>>58058569
Wrong comparison. The equivalent of the kid on the right should be reading a comic book. They use digital tools for consumption or entertainment, not as a hobby.

>>58059087
tru i was born in 95 so i know wat u mean

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>>58059330
why are you lying? please explain to me hamiltonian operators right now you if you know anything about quantum physics.

>inb4 chemistry "quantum numbers" is quantum physics

kys

>>58090893
>google search is good
you must be over 18 to visit this website

>>58059563
It's impossible to know absolutely everything. You just have to find something to specialize in.

>>58084012
This post in its entirety should be preserved in a museum to show people just exactly how the internet can ruin a person.
I don't necessarily even agree with the other guy, but Jesus Christ.

>>58086510
VHDL is not a programming language at all, you use it for very different tasks.
Source: I'm an embeded systems engineer

>>58075931
>1 low level language
>assembly

You really should just learn how C/C++ works, then learn how the compiler converts it to assembly. There's almost no value in being a good assembly programmer. you're going to write individual functions in assembly, at most.

>>58076621
There's a lot of non-web development out there. If you're not a shitty programmer, it's not particularly hard to get a job in.

'know web development' is similar to saying 'know how to compile an open source project'. There are so many different technologies that you're not all that likely to have previously used the one that the job you're applying to is using.

>>58079555

newfag out now

>>58090957
Man I could at least understand how things could get mixed up and people end up calling it an ethernet cable, but wifi cable? How?

One of my best friends from HS didn't even give a shit about technology until he got a blackberry. He was rich as fuck so it wasn't like his parents couldnt afford anything, he just didn't care.

We're both 30 and he runs a tech review blog.

He's never even built a PC

>>58058569
Motherfucker I don't even understand how computers work

That said I'm 20, my first pc was running Commander Keen 4 on DOS, couldn't even fucking read back then just knew what to hit

>>58096581
The more experience I gain in the IT world, the more I realise it's populated by bullshitters

>>58080937
>Quantum physics
>small shit is p. fucking weird yo
why would you care

>>58096851
That includes /g/ right?

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>>58095703
What does the P in FPGA stand for?

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>>58058569
Nope, they are hopeless.

http://blog.antoine-augusti.fr/2013/08/kids-cant-use-computers-and-this-is-why-it-should-worry-you/

>>58058863
>At least 2 low level languages

Anyone have that Mike Pence head shake gif?

>>58058691
you don't know how to program do you

>>58092736
>webm of old school internet borwsing
>dat Netscape
>all that plain hypertext
>haha! your browser doesn't support frames

ah... the good old days.

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>>58059265
Liar.

My 11th Grade book

>>58058569
Yes
At the end of the day, when you were all kids, computers were a niche thing to use, let alone understand
Now they are common and jobs in them are the only high paying entry level jobs out there. Maybe programming is still a bit of a niche (tho it is less of one), but IT support is much better understood now. Kids know what to do when their tablet breaks. My grandfather came over a one hour drive to my house when he pressed F11 on chrome and thought he deleted his desktop. You can clearly see the gap.

>>58080937
being able to test phenomena and advance theories mathematically through various interpretations does not mean it's not massively incomplete.

it's not worth kids learning about it beyond the surface implication stuff which you can get by watching some public TV shows or reading a wikipedia article.

>>58086734
how would you debunk a theory that's nearly impossible to test?

>>58058863

programmer is someone who gets paid by creating shit with code or by teaching programming.

If you are not getting paid by programming, you are just amateur. Deal with it, a pajeet doing spaghetti code is more programmer than you.

>>58099701
From what I understand it doesn't play well with other, more well-proven theories. I'm just parroting my uni professor, though.

>>58062239
Verilog is not a programming language. Verilog is a hardware description language. Understanding this distinction is important.

>>58059533
this

>>58099872
Field PROGRAMMABLE Gate Array

>>58099858
I mean that's true in that it can't currently be concretely unified with classical physics, but then you could say all of classical physics fails to explain the proven phenomena of quantum physics. no one would or has thrown out general relativity because of that. and that's not a new thing, Einstein and many others knew there was incompleteness with all big theories in their time. quantum physics definitely has more problems but that's mostly due to being hard to test and having many variation which all work on paper to an extent. also, being human and on the larger scale of things in the scheme of the universe, classical physics is extremely useful to us, whereas quantum physics is very limited in it's practical use currently. which is why it's kind of stupid to tech it in school, it's no more useful to young students than any other similar "on-paper" science like advanced fluid mechanics or strange states of matter or strings. I guess it's useful as a meme to encourage kids to do more science generally but that's it. but then most school systems tech things you don't really need to know, though that's a subjective can of worms in itself. I would have kids just watch nova every other day or something if I just wanted them interested in science, they would be exposed to more fields that way.

>generations of people who have mostly used touch UIs above all other types

i always thought mouse+kb type more advanced would eventually have a resurgence because they are so much faster and more powerful. but there are people born all the time the time using touch UIs all the time nonstop so it'll be hard.

>>58099945
Actually, it's "Field-PROGRAMMABLE Gate Array." That dash makes a difference. Understanding this distinction is important.

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Man all you guys are fucking morons. You can masturbate about your favorite programming language all day but the most telltale sign of whether someone is good with computer is whether or not they can understand a file system.

If you understand a file system you understand hierarchy. You know where everything lives. You need to store data? Want to find a binary? Need to read the logs? People who don't understand file systems can't do this. Instead they depend on "smart filters" or weird abstract views that try to do the thinking for them.

>>58100318
what kind of monkey can't understand a file system

file systems are literally an abstraction named after a human concept that most people would understand

>>58100346
How about just about anyone (your friend, mom, aunt, grandpa) you know who's asked you "how do I backup my photos?"

They can't figure out where the photos are. They don't understand moving files from one folder to another. They don't understand how digital files correspond to a physical storage device.

Twenty years from now people will have less family photos despite pictures being easier to take and store than ever. People trade in their old phones and lose all their photos because they don't understand how to back them up. Or people delete photos from their iCloud (despite paying for 100GB or w/e) because their 16GB iPhone ran out of space.

>>58084065
you people will politicize anything

>>58075931
Javascript covers all that ezpz

>>58084065
its actually the opposite the people in suburbs and x-urbs are leeches stealing everyone else's money with their inefficient bullshit

>>58069975
>we are the only ones who will know just how drastically the internet changed the world.
how old are you?