/pcbg/

>>58034619
>rx 470 instead of just getting a 480

>>58034676
The 470 seems to be better bang for buck but I guess I can extend the budget a little.

>>58034619
>$50 cpu cooler with a non-OC i5
drop that entirely, or move up to a 6600k
No reason to pay $50 for the cooler either

>evo
I'd go with a m.2 to boot from. It's not actually a meme as long as your mobo supports m.2 over pcie

>8gb ram
ayylmao

otherwise ok as Ayylmao builds go

>>58034738
Will the stock cooler be quiet though? I thought a larger fan would be able to rotate much slower for equal cooling effectiveness.

>>58034619
Fuck off cunt.


====

Post your component list, rate other anons', ask questions in general.

Always state the purpose of your PC, your budget, AND YOUR COUNTRY if outside the USA.
If you are asking for improvements, clarify whether you want to lower price or to improve specs or build quality.

>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons by vendor and compatibility filter.
https://pcpartpicker.com

>Gaming builds based on purpose or display resolution / Hz
>To activate the Description, select build from sidebar then click on the title over the parts list
>Description contains notes, other options, and build skeleton for easy customization / cost savings
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/

>Have a budget, but don't know where to start? This will recommend you a parts list based on price.
>Consider substituting an i5 6500 for the i3 in any RX470/480 or GTX 1060 tier build
>Consider stock fan+heatsink for any i3 or locked i5 build
>Consider a B150 mobo for any i3 build
>Add a 240GB SSD to the "Great" tier build
http://www.logicalincrements.com/

>General build advice including chipset compatibility, power supply advice, Windows activation information.
http://pastebin.com/9Pbm4nHL (embed)

>Information about how to assemble a PC, how to select components, etc.
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC


If you see any other build advice or part list threads, direct them here with >>>/g/pcbg

>>58034751
IDK but I'm running a cryorig h7 in a fractal r5 and it's near-silent even under load

>>58034738
There is no $130 M2 drive on the market worth buying over SATA

>>58034751
Stock coolers are loud
If you want quiet get a cheapass aftermarket heatsink, don't spend a lot because with a locked CPU, cooling isn't the problem

>>58034799
Is there a reason why the Intel 600p Series 256GB isn't worth getting over SATA? It's under $120 on amazon

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>>58034619
Add case of choice.

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So I'm reading the manual for the motherboard I'm gonna buy, and I just don't understand what they're thinking here. The windows 7 installation program doesn't have USB 3.0 drivers, which means the keyboard and mouse plugged into USB 3 ports won't work during the installation. So they want me to go through a bunch of trouble of pre-installing them, instead of just plugging the fucking keyboard and mouse into the USB 2 ports.

FUCKING WHY

>>58035010
>So they want me to go through a bunch of trouble of pre-installing them, instead of just plugging the fucking keyboard and mouse into the USB 2 ports.
There seems to be a really, really simple solution here: ignore the manual, install drivers later

>>58034831
It's basically the same speed as SATA SSD except for sequential reads
I mean it's technically better than SATA but it's no 950 pro

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>>58035064
600p

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mcVZXH

or

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RXvvD8

budget is 600 dollars and I just want to play games like csgo, dota2, dbd, and edit home movies.

>>58035050
I just don't understand why they would write that if the USB 2 ports worked fine.

>>58034619
$319 for rx 470

holy smokes australia is a fucked country

>>58034838
what about the hdd retard

not sure how you manage to get by with just 250gb

>>58034838
Where's your second SSD?

Can a A8-7600 machine with 8gb ram and GTX960 2GB capable to play GTA5\ BF1 ?

>>58035297
Yes, but not at very high settings. An Athlon X4 845 with a GTX 960 should be able to get around 50-60FPS at 1080p with High settings in GTAV

I already made a thread on this but can you guys like rate this build, im on a budget

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xfCqr7

i could get better parts but ya know

>>58034619
Needs a case of Pop-Tarts...

>>58035371
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xfCqr7
Shit build 2/10
Better get a macbook Pro for gaming

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Assuming a fresh install with an ASUS mobo, how many of these drivers am I supposed to install? Everything is named so annoyingly that it's hard to tell if it's different things or different versions of the same thing.

Looking at getting an RX 480, 8gb unless someone can make a damn compelling argument to go with 4gb instead. For what it's worth, I'm replacing a gtx 460 v2.

Top two brands I'm seeing are Sapphire and MSI. Any input?

>>58035505
Just install the chipset drivers. Pretty sure the MEI shit is completely unnecessary for a home computer.

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>Bought a Corsair Obsidian 350D
>About to buy a Asus Maximus Gene VIII and the Corsair Hydro H100i
>Find out that the cooler is no longer in stock, and the thicker H100i v2/GTX will effectively block the motherboard power connector if mounted on top.

Fuck me. What's a good alternative 240mm cooler? Are the Cryorig A40 or the Thermaltake Water 3.0 Extreme S ones OK?

Pic related, it's the older H100i mounted in a 350D with a Gene mobo.

Go from gt 530 to an HD 7870 I got for $50. Holy shit these performance gains are unreal why do I need anything else for 1080p?

>>58036567
Sapphire all the way.
>>58036740
Video RAM.

Not sure how 1GB or whatever you have fares on that card, but coming from a 560 1GB, Got a lot of stutters in some games.

>>58036763
7870 has 2gb

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>>58036616
What about the stuff from the other categories? USB is just a big mess.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but how much of a benefit is there to using a CPU cooler as opposed to the stock cooler that comes with CPU's? I don't plan on overclocking or anything like that, and my CPU/GPU is going to be an i5-6500/GTX 1060. I plan on playing some CPU-intensive games like Skyrim and GTA too if that matters.

>>58035137
Im biased towards nvidia so im leaning to that. Either way, you should have a Hitatchi no matter what you go with.

Also, I would recommend a mid ATX for future expansion.

>>58036854
Download the intel one. Also you only need the most recent driver.

If it sounds like bloatware, it is. So avoid all of that ASmedia shit.

>>58036863
Stick with the cooler that comes with it. Unless you're really triggered by noise, it shouldn't be a problem, especially if you use a sound proofed chassi like the define r5.

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>>58036854
Don't listen to this idiot >>58036961
You need the ASMedia drivers because those are for the ASMedia USB3.1 controller on your motherboard (Sunrise Point does not have USB3.1 controllers integrated in its chipset). The latest ASMedia driver updates fixed some latency and access issues, so it's for the best if you want a stable experience if you do own USB3.1 devices. If not, you could give it a miss until you do need to use the USB3.1 port, but USB3.0 devices plugged into that port will be susceptible to any vulnerabilities or bugs from not keeping the driver updated.
The Intel drivers are if you're running Windows 7 because USB3.0 was standardized after Windows 7 released, so the bare OS doesn't have the proper drivers for the USB3.0 controller in the motherboard's chipset.

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I'm about to upgrade a bunch of shit in my computer, and im trying to decide if I should get a new case.

My case is the Corsair 200R. Should I upgrade it or pimp it out with fans and filters?

>>58037066
Oh whoops, sorry. I only use Windows 7 so I always had an inclination towards the intel ones, because they make my header usb slots work. I guess I should install both.

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>>58037066
Is "Controller Driver" and "Driver" the same thing? I wish they could organize it better.

Do I need anything from the sata section?

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>>58037109
I don't see a reason to buy a new case if there is nothing wrong with that one. You could try buying aftermarket filters for any top or bottom intake fans.

If you put fans on the side panel, try keeping the bottom one an exhaust to suck out all of the hot air from the GPU if you have an aftermarket cooler on it. Putting it as intake could create a heat trap towards the motherboard and mess up any airflow coming in from the front of the case. Plus, the gap between the fan and a GPU is small enough to make putting filters in annoying or undesirable.

Ideally, you'll want one high static pressure fan at the front intake (I think the bottom one is blocked off by the hard drive cages), one filtered 140mm air flow fan for the bottom intake, one airflow fan at the rear exhaust, and one 140mm airflow fan that's noise optimized for the side panel. If you are going to put fans on the top of the case, stick with one 140mm fan right above the CPU area and make sure to balance it out with the same exact fan (with a filter) as an intake at the top side panel vent.

But the less fans you have, the better for noise control. If you must, invest in a decent fan controller hub, preferably one you can mount on the front 5.25" bay with knobs, no gimmicky touch-screen shit that breaks on you within months of the warranty expiring. Just a simple set of fucking knobs.

>>58037199
Pay me first, nigger. I normally charge for this sort of advice/maintenance

>>58037272
Thanks for the detailed response. My plan was to get some sort of filter for the top vents because that seems to me the most important thing to do to this case. I cant allow all of this dust to just fall straight into the case like that.

As for fans, I dont plan to go all out but I feel that this case could certainly use more. There are only two fans preinstalled on this thing, and this PC feels like a space heater half the time.

When do you guys think the 7700k will come out?

>>58037344
If you're not using the top intake, just cover it up with a piece of cardboard or something. If you want it to look nice, just polish up the cuts and spray paint it black.
If you're going to stick with the shit stock fans Corsairs generously provided with the case, then try to minimize airflow obstruction inside the case. Tidy up the cables as much as possible.

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>>58037374
>>58037272
Also, a neat little trick is to put a fan shroud behind the intake fan to better direct the air flow inside the case. It actually works, provided that the shroud is long enough (you can get a decent fan shroud by cutting the fan hub and bracing from a dead 120mm fan and hot-gluing it behind your main fan)

>>58037374
All interesting advice, thanks for all of that. I will find a way to pimp it out. This case is just such a cheap piece of shit. Wide open vents with no filters and two shitty fans. I fell for the paying $50 on a case meme and it bit me back hard. Not denying that Corsair makes good cases or anything, if I were to upgrade I would just get a higher-end corsair case.

>>58037109
I feel you anon I have same case and it's dusty as shit. It came dented too and I was too impatient to make them send another.
Other anons, will a stock 1151 cooler fit in a Mini ITX form factor? And why can't I find it by itself to buy?

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>>58034619
>ram costs as much as a mobo now

when will the meme end?

>>58037904
When people stop buying SSDs. There is a NAND shortage because of that.

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how is this looking? will be using it with dual monitors (144p + 1280x1024 CRT), running on Debian or Ubuntu and Windows VM for Fl Studio, Kontakt, and some games. Obviously can run some stuff in WINE too.

i'm afraid that i'll need more ram, but I haven't had a dedicated VM setup before so i'm not sure. what do you guys think?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BbhTZ8

>>58034619
As an Aussie myself, use Newegg, and try to filter by Australian under "Ship From Country"; it's about $12 flat rate, so you're not getting completely fucked over by shipping. There's not as much in stock, but there's more than enough to build a competent system.

>>58034769
In this faggot's case, it'd be au.pcpartpicker.com lad

>>58035240
>country
>implying
yep pretty much

Is a 1070 powerful enough to drive a 1440p/144hz monitor (for games), or should I go with either 1440p/60hz or 1080p/144hz?

What are the parts safest to buy, meaning, with the lowest failure rates? I'm buying a new build a couple parts at a time, don't want to put it together in a month or two to find out a part is DOA past return date. I'll buy the safest parts first.

>>58035262
kek, just don't horde shit cunt.

>>58037975
Are you implying that RAM uses NAND or have I wildly misinterpreted your post?

>>58038247
Case, RAM/CPU, then SSD, then motherboard, then graphics card/PSU, then air cooler, then hard drive, then AIO

>>58038455
https://blog.neweggbusiness.com/components/whats-deal-computer-ram-prices/
Not exactly the same NANDs, but they are made in the same factories

>>58034799
True but it saves a cable from being used and helps standardize m.2 drives.

>>58037904
>when will the meme end?
Do you know what a meme is?

Regardless, the reason why RAM is getting more expensive is because smartphones are using DDR4 more often now and Samsung holds a virtual monopoly on smartphone RAM.

>>58038247
Intel,
Asus or gigabyte mobo,
Sapphire for amd gpu,
Seasonic PSU,
Samsung or Intel ssd

Does MSI still have high failure rates on their mobos?

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>>58034619
>>58034619
How's mine look?

>>58038247
CPUs are generally fine all around, they don't really fail but they can be damaged. I prefer Intel.

ASUS makes some good mobos, but if they ever do fail, ASUS customer support is shit to deal with. Gigabyte makes some ok models, as does MSI but I've never dealt with Asrock or EVGA mobos. But I suggest looking up better reviews on a mobo you want because you'll only ever read about bad cases/failures with reviews on different manufacturers.

If you want an aftermarket cpu cooler, I would suggest Cryorig for a fan cooler with heat sink. Noctua also makes some good fans as well, Arctic Cooler is also up there.

Most RAM manufacturers are good, I got Corsair brand ones because I got a decent price on them.

For an SSD, Samsung holds the top position because they make the best production sets, but don't get a 750 or 840. 850 and 960 are the only ones worth getting. Intel also makes great SSDs, and below them you can trust different models from different manufacturers. Crucial's MX300 is good, but the MX200 is garbage. ADATA makes ok models as well.

For HDDs, most are fine, a few bad cases made Seagate into a shit tier brand, but they aren't as bad as they used to be. Western Digital, HGST (aka Hitachi) and Toshiba all hold respectable reputations with HGST at the top because they have the lowest failure rates and last the longest because they're intended for server use.

PSUs vary by model, not brand. EVGA's G2 series is great, but their NEX---B series is shit. Seasonic usually makes great PSUs all the time but pay attention to the model/series. And Super Flower is also a top tier brand that makes their own PSUs as well as the components for other brands. Avoid PSUs with an unlisted efficiency rating. Here's a list from 2015 of trusted models: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.

>>58038739
>ASUS customer support is shit to deal with

Is this an actual thing in america? You have to deal directly with manufacturers when something breaks? You can't just take/send it to the store you bought it in and have them replace it for you?

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Did the evga fire reignite (heh) the old house fire memes?

>>58038793
The stores usually have a limited time warranty, while most manufacturers usually last 3-5 years. My mobo is covered by ASUS for 3 years, but Microcenter only accepts returns for 30 days after purchase unless you buy a protection plan from the store itself. But Microcenter is cool and will at least inspect it to diagnose any issues for you if you've bought from them.

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so much z170 mobos, can you guys recommend a good one?

>>58038484
>>58038551
>>58038739
Thanks anons, good info all around

Anyone know of any retailers giving away civ 6 with sapphire rx 480's? I've seen some combos if you also get a cpu, but nothing for just the gpu.

>>58034799
Samsung 960 EVO 250 GB, 3200 MBps random read. It's $130 as we speak

>>58038928
ASUS Z170-AR is like really cheap and it has USB-C!

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>>58034619
Really need help deciding on the graphics card here for a 250d.

I have looked through google extensively to see basically whether a blower or open air is a good idea in the 250d but there is no consensus and I of course can't really seem to tell.

Usually in a mini-itx blower is better (with FE being the best blower available it seems right now) because of the restricted space and how easily the card dumping hot air may interfere with CPU cooling which of course I will overclock using the h100i and 6700k.

Some say though the 250d really is a big enough Mini-ITX to have what it takes for Open Air. It might be since I really care about CPU cooling though that actually isn't true, while many without a very clockable intel do just fine with a little extra heat.

Pic related is pretty much what it looks like. I will try to clean it up but the over-sized H100i and questionable motherboard header placement leads to this.

One option too is to do a Zotac Mini 1070 which would give reference performance and nice compact size, though still the ability to dump heat in the case. FE do cost more than the $400 MSi Gaming X or $400 ASUS STRIX OC somehow though (????).

Official memeware list:

- 'K' processors
- Motherboards over US$60
- Liquid Cooling
- Case fans
- Sub-ATX cases/Cases over US$50
- PSUs over US$50
- 4K monitors
- AMD Anything

>>58039232
sweet, I fit all of that except for the monitor, processor, and liquid cooling

>>58039232
That list doesn't even make sense fagtron

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Shopping around for first cheapo card to play old games and some new games

2GB or 4GB? And there is a ton of different versions of the card how do you know which one is decent?

>>58040215
4GB 470 > 4GB 1050Ti > 4GB 460
If you're getting a 2GB card get the 1050, especially for old games.

>>58040244
what about the 2GB vs 4GB? Is there a reason to get the 4GB over the 2GB version?

>>58039232
So you're trying to build an office drone workstation nice

Is this a good build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rt2YRG

i will already have my 1tb hard drive..

>>58034799
The Crucial MX300 M.2 is almost half that, and comfortably outperforms every SSD limited to shitty SATA 6.0Gb/s.

>>58040630
>Founders Edition
No reason to pay extra for nvidia's shitty reference cooler when better open air versions are cheaper.

Any amd alternative to i5?

>>58040269
In regards to AAA gaming, I feel 4GB should be the standard minimum. More VRAM allows for more flexibility in higher resolutions, and at this point... 2GB cards bottleneck terribly in modern games.

what's a good and cheap upgrade to a R9 270x? Something that'll help run Blender and Unity nicely would be a bonus

>>58040703
What about now? It's 30 cents cheaper..

>>58040215
bought a RX460 4GB this week

According to reviews and benchmarks, there seem to be issues (fps drop) with some games and high res textures with only 2GB VRAM, but most of the time it's still fine. There seem to be no conclusive opinions on this, all I ever read is "future games might utilize more than 2GB" and stuff like that. Or if you are into 3D modelling, rendering or GPU calculations, then it also makes sense to pick more.
I picked 4GB because it was only marginally more expensive. YOu will prob. be fine with 2GB.

Mini or FE in small form factor?

>>58040900
What made you pick it over the 1050?
Also what games are you playing with it?

>>58040958
>What made you pick it over the 1050?
I didn't really compare, I guess I like to waste money
haven't opened it yet so I might send it back, thanks for the tip, although 1050Ti 4GB is 30€ more expensive
>Also what games are you playing with it?
Cities Skylines, TF2, crap games like that

>>58034619
>lazy ass retard OP can't make a proper thread
Get cancer and die you retarded fuck.

Serious question. I read about the issue with Z170 mobos, >3000 RAM, XMP and that combinations like Asus Z170-A or Z170 Gaming Pro and Corsair LPX 3000 RAM does NOT run at 3000, but at 2133.
How can i prevent this from happening to me and how can i choose RAM that will run at the advertised speed? The problem is that Corsair LPX is in fact on Asus compatibility list and should run, but evidentially it does not.
I am asking this because of Asus cash back shit until 29.01.17, i think about getting a Asus Z170/B150 Pro Gaming (depends on whether i get a 6500 or 6700K) and a RX470/480 or GTX 1060/1070 since you can get up to two cash backs.

>>58039173
It's not going to make your gaems load quicker.

>>58041075
Whats the frame rate for C:S, and is it a "smooth" experience?

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I have a FX 6100 and 4 Gb memory. Which GPU can I get that will at least run GTA V on medium?

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>>58034831
>>58035090
600p is a piece of shit

>>58041944
I haven't put it in my computer yet, sorry

my current HD7750 often dips below 30 fps in C:S and that certainly is not smooth, but it's playable

>>58041973
Favorite game, but it forced me to buy 16 gib of ram, and I'm just wondering if a 8gib 480 would be a better choice than a 4gib model.

fagtron build, coming through
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gHdfxY

>>58042000
it certainly is with resolutions above 1920x1080, other than that, maybe

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Do PSUs have a "charge up" time? I pulled the plug on my desktop (with the proper precautions) while I was getting ready to leave for break, but I forgot something and I plugged it back in, only to have it not boot up. I was panicing, but I tried again a few minutes later and it booted.

>>58042194
>Do PSUs have a "charge up" time?
I'm not exactly sure, when my computer is off power for some hours and then plug it back in and start, it takes like 5 seconds vs. instant start otherwise

Certainly not minutes

>>58042218
It was probably seconds but my mind was racing.

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rate my shit

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZttRwV

what can I improve, and what can I do to make it around $1,100(+/-$100)

>>58043176
At a glance, you are probably overpaying for mobo, case, and hdd

>>58043211
cool

I feel like mobos that support sli and overclocking are all over $100... to my knowledge.

I think I might change the hdd to a caviar blue, or a smaller ssd and get more storage in the future.

Dunno about the case desu

>>58043246
In thr "excellent", section, logicalincrements recommends the Enthoo Pro case (about 10 bucks cheaper), a seasonic 620w psu (a few bucks cheaper if it fits your wattage needs) and a seagate 1 tb drive (about 20 bucks cheaper)

Could probably save even more on the case honestly. I have a corsair carbide 300r that is plenty spacious and is about 80 bucks or less these days. Obviously, you should check for compatability to be safe.

>>58043385
thanks for the advice yo.

I'll definitely look into that.

Just bought https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-Xtreme-GXiVR8020A-Gaming-Desktop/dp/B01HNBLHAA/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1481989698&sr=1-1&keywords=cyberpowerpc

Anyone have this computer ? I bought a 144hz 1440p monitor as well. Is this computer enough to power games at 1440p ?

>>58043176
Cheaper RAM, HDD, add SSD, cheaper case and non shit PSU. At least you managed to not completely fuck up your $1.2k build.

>>58035371
don't you have a suicide to commit?

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>>58041800
>dubs
>serious question
>no replies
Anyone.. please?

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>>58043797
>>58043385
>>58043211

I updated it.
Hopefully this is better.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YR426X

Friendly reminder that the BLCK method of overclocking non-K chips still works and you can even use an up-to-date BIOS if you buy a board with a hardware clock generator.

The i3 6100 combined with a z170 board(sometimes found as low as $70) and a hyper 212 is the best bang for your buck right now.

Check out some comparisons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_JE4kzim2A

>>58044240
Not really, you basically swapped flaws abc for flaws xyz. First time?

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>>58044245
>video is almost a year old
Not gonna fall for your jewish tricks.

>>58044423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiw2r-_AdGM

There you go

>>58044245
Yeah no, it doesn't work on all Z97 boards. Some manufacturers love Intel's cock too much to piss them off by defying their non-K OC ban. Gigabyte and ASUS being among them.

>>58041800
Go into the BIOS and enable an XMP profile of your preference

>>58044461
>video from april
>we have december

>>58044488
>being a asus or gigabyte cuck

>>58044512
>buying MShIt and ASSRock

>>58044488
Where did I claim it worked on all z170 boards? It works on a bunch of them.
Here is a list http://overclocking.guide/intel-skylake-non-k-overclocking-bios-list/
Any one of those it will still work on and any board with a clock generator it will work on. Absolutely nothing has changed.
>>58044509
It must be hard for you to get through day to day life.

>>58044523
It's a non-issue now. Based Kaby Lake will have an overclockable i3 7350K. Skylake BCLK OC has its fair share of problems and reliability issues. Not being able to read the core temperatures and use AVX2 instruction sets for one.

>>58041948
>6100
Put some money into a FX 8300 and a RX 470 4GB

>>58044565
If you're on a budget are those issues that will not affect your day to day usage once your overclock is done really worth the extra money though? The unlocked kaby i3 is rumored to cost about 180 USD. For that price you could buy an i5 6400 which is the exact same chip as the 6600k when used with blck overclocking. Or you could spend $110 on the i3 6100, and put that extra $70 into your GPU.

>>58044504
>enable an XMP profile
This is the problem. Even enabled XMP profiles you will get bluescreens. This issue seems to affect certain RAM / mobo combos.
From what i've read Gigabyte/Asus + Corsair RAM is affected the most. This is a problem for me because i planned on getting such a combo.
Now is don't know what to do, G.Skill Ripjaws/Trident 3000/3200 instead of LPX 3000, which costs almost the same?
Or Maybe get a MSI mobo for the first time or simply be a nice cuck and get 2133 RAM for whatever i chose to build.
This sucks man... but it's a perfect showcase for what happens if the industry has a monopoly and specializes on pandering to gaymers.

>>58044585
Skylake is old news. Nobody wants old shit. Just bring on the new with Kaby Lake.

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>>58044604
0/10

>>58044405
yeah... does it show??

:<

>>58044612
>falling for AMD's lies
The Blender test was gimped so that the 6900K couldn't use quad channel memory and some other instruction sets that Zen won't offer. The 6900K handily beats that demo Zen with all restraints taken off. Zen is a failure of a CPU design and takes us back to 2011 levels of performance. It's almost 2017, it's time to bring on the new, not the old.

>>58044604
>kaby lake
Enjoy 1% performance increase in calculations and 30% performance increase in heating!

>>58044644
Intel is already responding though. For example the unlocked i3 that you mentioned. Very few people would have guessed that something like that would be released. How about the rumor that some of the Kaby pentiums will have SMT enabled? We may even see cheaper Skylake-E chips this coming summer. Even if you don't buy Zen, which I can totally understand, it is objectively a good thing.

If I can get into Skylake-E for a reasonable price I'm all over it. I want 6 cores with 6700k single thread pref and quad channel 4266mhz ddr4.

>>58044665
Don't you mean overclockable dual-core i3, i3s with TurboBoost, Pentium with HyperThreading, native H.265+VP9 encode/decode engines, better performance envelopes for higher clock frequencies, faster responding Turbo frequencies per core, USB3.1 fully integrated on the chipset, XPoint integration, etc.

>>58044621
Yes it does. I recommend you take a look at logicalincrements.com as suggested in the OP and come back again later.
Your build is half ok, it's nothing "stupidly retarded", but you can get better/more valuable parts.
Do note though that logicalincrements might not be up-to-date and does not imply a golden standard, what it does is it gives you a good idea for starters.

>>58044708
No.

What does /g/ say about this mini build?

Is the i7 and 32GB Ram overkill if main use is developing in vs studio. i7 has hyper threading which is AFAIK required for some features in vs.

>>58044811
>forgot link
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/H63Ff7

What was with the sudden increase in RAM prices, 16GB used to be around £60-£70, but has increased to around £100-£120

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Any rec's for HDMI cable and surge protector?

>>58044915
Not sure if you are serious based on yhat inage, but:
>hdmi
Literally the cheapest cable of your desired length on amazon (or frys if you have one locally)
>surge protector
Look for good rattings for your needed wattage, an on/off (reset switch), and a trusted brand with a decent warranty

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Also, any rec's for wireless network cards? What should I look for in one?

>>58045025
Compatability with mobo and router (network type), speed, range, signal strength (essentially, how well does it pass through walls and other objects between it and the router)

Fwiw, I did not like my rosewill adapter or the usb one I got to replace it.

Is there any reason to opt for a pro win10 key? Apparently they removed the ability to control updates yourself or something?

>>58044811
>>58044834
I mean it will clearly be an extremely powerful machine for what you're doing. You could get even better compile times by going with older used Xeons or you could step up to broadwell-e.

It's also worth noting that you're the kind of user who will get the most value from Ryzen. It's safe to say we will see a 8 core 16 thread chip for like $350 which will probably compile almost twice as fast as the 6700k.

>read title
>cool etching discussions and stuff
>read op post
>just children playing with legos
Always a disappointment /g/.

>>58045283
Thanks. Idk if there is a market for used pc-parts where I live. However, I haven't thought about it and didn't specifically look for it. So thanks for the hint.

>AMD
Idk either I think going with the winning team is always the better choice. No need to prove anybody anything.

>>58045283
>shilling for the Sino-Indian Jew

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What should I upgrade next?

>>58045369
Get a fucking hdd

>>58045369
Do you play games on the 4K monitors? If so you kind of memed yourself with the 1060.

>>58045369
CPU, RAM, Mobo.

>>58045369
how does windows licensing work for win 10. are there retail versions or only oem versions?

>>58045394
I have a 1TB external that's just not plugged in.

>>58045410
I play chess, that's it.

>>58045413
There are both, but the price difference is like 5 bucks so you would never go for OEM.

>>58045345
I'm talking about ebay. This has nothing to do with opinions of the companies who make the products. In about 2 months you will be able to compare numbers that are not disputable. You will be satisfied with the 6700k but when Ryzen launches and you could have got what is essentially a 6900k for the same price you are going to be full of regret. You are the ONE use case who is going to benefit most from zen. Almost everyone else in the thread is a gamer who only needs a 6600k/6700k

>>58034619
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bgk88K
Gibs me feedback please.

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>>58045411
How's this?

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>CoolerMaster 212x
CoolerMaster as your CPU Fan

>i5 6500
Literally Why even bother buy an intel CPU

>RX470
Seriously just add a few more extra dollars to get a 480.

>Samsung 850 EVO
I thought the EVO meme was dead after the m.2 were shipped out.

>Seagate
>Barracuda
>2TB
Being this retarded

>Gigabyte H110M-H
Niggabyte and a H110 Chipset = Mental Disability.

>XFX PSU
Seasonic or EVGA would preferable, but getting a Gold / Platinum on any PSU manufacturer is great already.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vsWwm8
rate and hate
already bought parts, but did i fuck up?

>>58045532
Why the circlejerk over m.2 drives?

>>58045538
Would have preferred a different psu but whatever

>>58045518
Overpriced mobo.
DDR4 3000 works just as fine.

>>58045445
lolno
Even an i7-6700K will give the eight core Zen a run for its money and be $200 cheaper. Zen is only as powerful as Sandy Bridge per thread, at best.

I just ordered 16gb of ddr4 4000. Looking forward to my 10%+ fps increase

>>58045538
Bretty gud man.

Honestly the only issue here is the PSU being from Corsair and Bronze rated, but wouldn't matter much unless You'll leave the PC on continuously. Could've replaced the CPU cooler too, the Noctua coolers are the best for open air/HSF. Also the PC Mate is pretty shitty, the meMeSI Z170 Tomahawk has better components and is nearly at the same price.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2TqQKZ

>>58045553
I've bought the EVO series when they came out and was pretty happy, but using the m.2 performance is just unbelievable, it's pretty much 5x faster than a SSD give or take.

>>58045678
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2TqQKZ


32 gb of ram seems like overkill and the psu is really cutting it close

>>58045685
M.2 is just a interface. They make sata and nvme m.2 drives. And a 960 Samsung will not load your games quicker.

>>58045716
I don't store it on a M2 or SSD, they're stored in a 3TB drive with along with my other games, I mean loading your PC games faster is just a stupid meme. It depends on what you use it for, but I normally use DXtory and You can definitely tell the difference.

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Upgrade my r9 280 or fx-6300?

>inb4 dual AMD lmao

>>58045835
FX-6300, no doubt about it.

>>58045644
how does an Asus z170-E motherboard sound?

>>58045716
My 950 pro loads witcher at least two seconds faster than my 850 evo

>>58045861
But you know, I base this on where the loading screen monologue gets interrupted so it's not like it's an exact measurement...

>>58045861
Wow. So its nothing

>>58045445
>essentially a 6900k
Zen is gonna beat xeons at being xeons (high core count, well threaded CPUs that are very weak when not fully utilized), it might even beat the high-core enthusiast series at being xeons
But I guarantee your zen will absolutely not be beating anything at being core (high IPC, high single thread performance, not much else) CPUs
If you work on multithreaded programs and have a budget, zen is a no brainer. But it's not going to change prices whatsoever on the core line (xeons might get cheap, maybe some 2011 socket CPUs will hit a sale)

I'm gonna buy new cpu+mobo+gpu+ram soon. Should I get a new PSU too? I've had my corsair 750 for 8 years. Is there a decent risk that it will die painfully and crash the system with no survivors?

>>58045943
You already know the answer. Do the right thing.

>>58044708
Yeah the overclockable i3 and hyperthreaded pentium were good moves from Intels standpoint
Xpoint doesn't exist, the plan for Xpoint doesn't even exist and everything else you said is either irrelevant or wrong
Also Kaby lake overclocks hotter and uses more power than skylake

>>58045857
Definitely a step-up from the one before, it's good to have a USB-C even it's only one. Though I've never trusted a Mobo after the plastic on the VGA slot broke when I was using crossfire (seriously fuck Gigabyte).

Z170E is good, but if you want to do SLI or Crossfire the MSi Z170 M5 might be up your alley, gotta love that metal slots.

>>58045939
Thank you for agreeing with me because the person I was responding to was building a machine for VS, which is a highly multithreaded program. Which is why I said that he is probably the one person in this thread who has the most to gain from holding out for ryzen

>>58045977
They aren't even targeting consumers with the first gen. Enterprise will buy every single wafer of xpoint.

>>58046063
Well the enterprise market has to wait too because Intel can't get it going
Besides, first-gen SSDRAM isn't going to be cheap either way, but everybody who bought a Z270 board will feel obligated to give Intel their money for Xpoint because Xpoint is the one and only reason to buy Z270

>>58046039
Can someone explain why usb 3.1 is so highly recommended? 10 gb/s is great, but usb drives are not near that quick. Is it for egpu's or transfer of large sets of data or something? The mobo I bought doesn't have it, and I am just wondering what I missed out on.

>>58046047
But still, saying its a 6900k without any objective benchmarks is dumb. And while I like Zen sticking to the course with multithreaded power, it doesn't look cheap, which is what everybody was hoping for above all else.
If you need to spend $500 to get 6900k performance (just for multithreaded programs) what was the point of waiting?

>>58045852
What would be a good upgrade then?

was looking at the i5 6600k (got a 212 evo)

>>58046098
Ehhh Ive read some articles about it. Apparently, it is multi layered, and some of those don't have longevity at all. I think they are still figuring out how to deal with that. They have a working drive that was photographed at some trade show or something recently. Still months off.

>>58046121
USB 3.1 is what you want, USB C is just a plug and could be USB 2.0 for all you know
And yeah, crazy file transfers, crazy power transfer. USB 3.1 is poised to replace a lot of cables right now. PCIe, DisplayPort, HDMI, raw SATA, all can start going through USB
But yeah for normal USB thingies, they won't be seeing any performance boosts

I'd be really careful with the ASUS current gen motherboards. Failure rates have gone way up on X99 and H/Z170, and there's no end in sight.

At the very least, make sure you buy something you're comfortable replacing in 18 months.

>>58046145
Because it's half of what a 6900k costs right now?

>>58046240
Which one? And do you know for sure it matches a 6900k in multithreaded performance?
If you're waiting for zen you can wait for benchmarks

Is it true that MS might deactivate your win7 license if you keep reinstalling it too many times on different machines (even if you have retail)?

Also, is there a unique identifier in each win7 disc, tying it to the license somehow? As in, would MS see that the 10 installations, all spamming the rearm activation command each month, came from a specific disc and which license that disc is tied to, or are all discs identical?

>>58046263
It's 7, they don't give a shit anymore as long as they can still send you win10 ads

>>58046121
Pretty handy if You need have a phone that supports it, pretty handy on my SG7, easy file transfers and fast charging.

But >>58046189 is right, it hasn't been fully implemented yet but if you have stuff that supports it or if you need it, then go ahead.

>>58046263
They will but you just have to call them and say "I'm a real human, here in America, please give me my activations back"

It's just a way to put an upper limit on common pirating/scamming methods. 99.99% of users never reach 10 activations on a single license.

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Everyone in the PC building generals should work together to compile charts of the best components.

Here is an old chart for cases. It's outdated as some of those cases dont have 2.5" bays for ssds

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>>58046604
>best
>cases
That's not how it works, especially without a $30 N200 up there

>>58046604
Nobody should recommend a case above $70. At that point, it's just aesthetics and can be determined easily by the buyer and not a chart listing 30 cases at the same price range

Is Intel's skull canyon a meme

>>58046795
Yes but it has a nice CPU.

>>58046867
So is it worth falling for?

>>58046954
I mean if you want a $1000 computer to just be small and have a decent CPU, sure. It also only takes M2 drives so that makes upgrading more expensive
But a $1000 ITX build could get you a decent CPU and a decent GPU, use SATA or M2, and still be small

>>58046262
AMD proved that it is objectively equal to the 6900k in a handful of workloads.

>>58046998
but I need to put effort in it

Is it worth waiting for kaby lake?

>>58047038
Oh well AMD said that AMD wins I can't argue with that go on and buy it

>>58047066
No.

>>58047068
I suppose you didn't look at the benchmarks.

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>>58047094
Of what, blender? The benchmark that said zen was as good as a 6950, then changed to a 5890, then changed to a 6900?
Like I said if AMD says AMD won they must be telling the truth

>>58047117
No, the live bench mark of the latest zen chip vs a 6900k. They used blender and a few other programs.

>>58047038
Did you know a G4400 is also equal to a 6900 in a handful of workloads?

>>58047140
You're brain dead.

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How does this look
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CfbxxY

Purpose: playing sc2 and moving it every week between home on the weekends and work during the week

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Ryzen at 3.4 ghz with auto OC/boost features disabled vs 6900k at stock base and boost clocks.

Handbrake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gChfeWN_mUs

Blender
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJT4X_Cu_o8
File used is available here
http://download.amd.com/demo/RyzenGraphic_27.blend

Kind of shitty Battlefield 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_n6MXVmxdc

>>58047187
Looks alright
The i5-6500 is better for almost the same price though

>>58047199
no one gives a shit

>>58047234
Stay mad you sniveling little faggot.

>>58045835
Both. Change 6300 to 8350 and 280 to 470. After selling your old parts the upgrade will only cost you $150 at most

>>58045025
Only thing you want to watch out for is the bands it can read. Probably want 2.4 and 5GHz

>>58045025
Windows 10 doesn't have original PCI drivers, so don't get a PCI wifi card with Windows 10
PCIe works fine

>>58047251
i'll be impressed when amd shows us competitive alternative to mainstream i5.

who gives a shit about 1000$ cpus.

What are some good HDDs?
Desktop use, 1-3TB, don't care about noise that much but do care about performance.

>>58047333
They won't though, their last attempt (8350) didn't go so well and the new APIs out lately are making moar coars relevant again
They're sticking with moar coars, and it seems more promising today than ever before

>>58047361
Hitachi Ultrastar 7K6000, if you don't mind the hefty price tag.

Would this board be a good fit for a torrent box with 11 8TB HDDs in a raidz3 set up? It comes with an Atom processor; is that powerful enough for my intended use?

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813157475

>>58036716
I would look into NZXT or Enermax Aio's as well i have both of those brands and have had 0 problems with them.

>>58047199
Well.. that's all nice and good and so on, but how much will Ryzen cost? Because if Ryzen initially goes for 300+ i see no point in waiting for it, unless you need all the cores and threads.
AMD will release only the 8C16T version in Q1 with 6C12T and 4C8T following in probably Q2 and Q3. That's still a looong time until then, i don't really want to wait that long.
Imho AMD should give an official statement for the precise release and and especially the price soon, otherwise i doubt many people are willing to wait.

MX200 or 850 Evo or MX300 (250-275 GB)? What about muh TLC/MLC and muh lifespan?

>>58047529
850 Evo is obviously the best in all categories, but also the most expensive one.
MX300 has good write speeds, while MX200 has good read speeds, both are cheaper.
It's all up to your preferences.

>bought an FX-6300
>re-use my GTX 730 2GB DDR3 GPU
>it's performance is on par with my A6-3600 APU HP PC
>except on a few games it preforms worse (ex: Fallout 4)
>extracting files from winrar takes longer on FX-6300
>If I'm doing a lots of things at once, some programs will freeze

Should of gotten an i3-6100, at least I could of upgraded to a i5-6600k down the line.

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Would you guys buy this case?

I am just looking for a mid-atx case with good filters and decent pre-installed fans to replace my Corsair 200R, which has neither.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139042

>>58047481
>http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813157475
WEEW LAAD
I have that board. You better be using a JBOD card on that for all those hard drives. The SATA controller that's driving the extra 6 SATA3 ports are utter shit that thermal throttle under moderate load. Speaking of thermal throttling, they use a thermal pad to stick the heatsink on the CPU itself, but the thermal pad is abnormally shitty in transferring heat, so you need to have moderate air flow blowing through that heatsink (blowing in the direction of the fins and RAM, not top down). Also, ASRock's IPMI is shit, don't use it if you don't want to deal with headaches and broken interfaces.

Don't get me wrong, that 8-core C2750 Avonton is powerful enough to handle multiple requests at once as a file server, it's just that ASRock cheaped out on some of the neater additions to their board and made it more of a disappointment to use.

>>58047528
I'm in at anything under $550 for 8c/16t

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Will there be any trouble with Gigabyte GTX 1060 Windforce II on this ASUS H110M-K? The card has 3,9cm lenght.

>>58047743
>extracting files from winrar takes longer on FX-6300
I'd say upgrade your RAM to higher clocked ones, but almost all AM3+ CPU's memory controllers are utter shit and can't really deal with higher clock frequencies above 1866MHz.
The only relief you can get with that socket is the 8350/8370, but those two extra cores will only get you so far.

>>58048209
>820911-139-042-06.jpg (25 KB, 640x480)google
Not at $100, no way. Nothing seperating it from a $30 case. At $100 I'd be looking at a phanteks enthoo matx or the HAF XB cube

>>58048317
Why should the length be any trouble? It's your case that could be the issue. Be glad that ASUS has the common sense to move their up-facing SATA ports towards the bottom of the mobo rather than under where the GPU will go like in some of their earlier boards.

>>58048356
Lenght as in it could bump into mobo stuff. I checked the pic and wondered if something can fuck up.

>>58048384
Only the lower RAM tabs, if it had any. Looks like ASUS also had the common sense not to put in those tabs on the bottom RAM slots because they almost certainly would have gotten in the way of any length GPU.

>>58048350
Oh wow, this one looks like an overall better version of the one I posted earlier.

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/vVwqqs/phanteks-case-phes515pabk

>>58048328
I'm re-using the same ram(6GB 1600Mhz Dual Channel, one 4gb & one 2gb sticks), pretty much everything is the same except the Mobo and CPUs.

will a 6700k be enough for VR over the next few years?

>>58048664
VR is going to demand a lot from the gpu, you could probably get away with a lot worse cpu.

>>58048994
Well, getting a bettet GPU if I need to is easy, I can always just buy a better one.

With the CPU that's not the case since then I might also need a new motherboard and reinstall the OS and so on. So that's where my concern is. I don/t mind having to buy a better GPU down the line, but I don't wanna have to replace the CPU for like another 6-7 years when I make a whole new build.

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Does this have /g/ approval?

XFX or Asus for RX 480? How is XFX reliability-wise? My Asus 560ti died after ~5 years so it has definitely outlived its usefulness but I'd rather have an outdated GPU than no GPU at all right now.

not pcpartpicker because different websites and mostly used parts but
>GPU: GTX780Ti - 125$
>CPU: Dual Xeon E5-2670 V2 - 60$
>MOBO: S2600CP with 64GB of RAM - 150$
>PSU: Super Flower Leadex 1000W (Brand Spanking New) - 60$
>CASE: some ching chao ping pong piece of shit for ATX - 20$
how'd i do

>>58039187
I've got one of those and have no problems with it. I have so many USB 3 ports, it's glorious.

>>58034619
Which is a better CPU for gaming? I5 4790k of the AMD FX 9350? I'm looking to run kerbal space program/arma 3.

>>58049767
The i5 or the 4790k.

>>58049865
*or the

>>58049876
The 4790k is an i7, not i5.

>>58049917
4690k sorry

>>58038656
go for a 750W PSU.
Besides that this is a good looking build.
I would personally go for a Asus Z170 Deluxe, but the MOBA is fine as it is.

>>58050013
>750W PSU
Literally no point unless you're planning a multi-GPU setup or something exotic.

Will my sandy bridge i5 bottleneck a rx460

>>58049767
>ARMA 3
i5-6600K all the way. The higher you can push the clock frequency, the better.

>>58050256
No, definitely not. Only on GPU intensive games will it start to slow down cards higher than a 980 Ti/1070, but by a mere handful of frames and even then it's mostly because of a lower minimum FPS average. On CPU intensive games, your i5 will struggle against an i7-2600K no matter what GPU you have.

I'm currently making a new build since i'll have some time arround christmas/new year to assemble and install everything i need. Also Asus has some nice cash back deals and Mindfactory has always good sales.
Purpose is mostly university, work, wedev, light programming, PhpStorm / IntelliJ, VMware, shitposting, watching chinese cartoons and some occasional light gaming (old shit like swkotor and some indie crap).
I doubt i'll need a dedicated GPU for my usage and the B150 mobo comes with 1x HDMI and 1x VGA and the Z170 with even more, which is enough for me. I currently have no space for a third monitor anyways.
Depending on local deals/sales and so on i might change one or two items. I will also get 1-4 Be Quiet! SilentWings 2, which are cheap if the case fans are shit.
Location is obviously Germany, budget doesn't really matter, but i do not want to overpay, my inner jew is too strong.
I've made a budget 6500 and a better 6700K (alternatively 6600K) version.

Budget: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/MkVgr7
The budget PSU is a placeholder for the tier 3 Xilence PSU: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/430-Watt-Xilence-Performance-A--Serie-Non-Modular-80--Bronze_1024345.html

High-end: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/pzFyHN

>>58049053
Well the only CPU that'll be a significant improvement over a 6700k (that ISNT a current gen CPU that's just better) will be made from non-silicon, and you can bet your ass it won't be 1151
Motherboards are relatively cheap though, and Intels high end CPUs haven't become outdated since... Ever really
CPU has little to do with vr anyways, you'll want the beastest gpu you can find, preferably something with multipoint rendering (newer AMD cards or nvidias 10-series preferably)

>>58048272
Damn, that's unfortunate. I have an ASRock mobo in my main desktop and have already had it replaced once. Do you know of any comparable Mini-ITX motherboads with a large number of SATA connectors?

Are there any actual dates for Kaby Lake / 1080Ti release yet?

All I find by googling is a bunch of old posts from EXTREMELY CURRY sites that seem to have taken over all tech news for the time being.

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>>58034619
>570Xs sold out again

>>58050785
Why would you wait for Kaby lake?
Pajeet says the 1080ti will be out maybe January/February

>>58034619
Why does /g/reddit hate MSI? All my normie friends buy MSI GPUs and Mobo's when they build their PCs.

>>58051164
MSI motherboards have had a TERRIBLE history, they were objectively more failure-prone than other brands
I don't see MSI motherboards much anymore, maybe that's why

>>58051164
And MSI used to recycle nvidia coolers to put on AMD cards, but many brands used to pull that shit

>>58051185
>>58051205
Oh, thanks.

>>58051223
They've always had nice high-binned gpu clock limits and good nvidia cooling though, but they are a bit overpriced as far as gpus go (they're often the first to go on sale though)

>>58047333
>>58047365
>>58047365
You morons, the 4c 8t CPU (no iGP) is rumored to be $150

>>58047743
First of all, no reason to buy an AM3+ CPU unless you already have the board, and even then there's no reason to get anything less than an 8350.

I have a 6350; no freezing here with lots of programs open. Seems like you fucked up. But you're right, you should have gotten an i3

>>58048664
Yes

>>58049152
Probably spending too much on the CPU

>>58049767
Definitely Intel. You'd be a retard to get that AYYMD housefire for any application

>>58050531
Get the budget build with a cheaper cooler

>>58050785
No reason to wait for Kaby Lake. 1080Ti will likely be Jan, possibly along with AMD's new cards.

>>58051406
I decided to go all out on the CPU because I stream and use a VM at the same time.

>>58034619
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GvZP8K
Someone help please. The only thing I'm not really sure on is the Motherboard, and I already bought a 1070.

>>58051406
>with a cheaper cooler
I want a cool and quiet system and i'm willing to pay for it. I doubt there are cheaper worthwile coolers.

>>58051472
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rKdwm8

>>58051603
Thank you

>>58051433
i7 is good for you then

>>58051476
The i5 6500 isn't hard to cool. Only thing you're looking for is a cheap, quiet cooler. The Hyper 212 EVO is for CPUs with double the i5's TDP

>>58051603
That's good but you can totally get away with not paying $58 for fans
>but muh poo quality

>>58034619
Hey /g/, I am looking to build a cheap desktop for using some spare components and a few that must be purchased. It will only be used for web browsing and video streaming. I planned on installing Linux Mint as the OS. Given this, do you guys think that the AMD A4-7300 with 4GB of RAM will be sufficient?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113378

I have been getting by with a thinkpad and an external monitor

I'm going to build a PC again. What are the differences going to be between i5 6500 and i5 7500? Does Kaby Lake have less power draw?
I am not a gamer anymore, I do not need a GPU. I would also like to make it as quiet as possible. If I am not going to be using a GPU or HDD, do I need to buy one of those fancy sound-blocking cases or would a standard one with large amounts of venting on the sides be sufficient?

My plan so far
>any 1151 microatx
>Rosewill FBM-05
>256gb Samsung Evo SSD
>8gb DDR4, 2x4 modules
>I already have a 212 Evo heatsink
>$180 i5 6500 (new other) CPU by itself
>still unsure for PSU

>>58051971
Spend a little extra on a PSU with fans-off until a certain load, a quality fan, or even a 80+ platinum with no fan at all
Kaby lake shows no difference in the raw performance, but their lineup might be different as they're already swapping their i3 and pentiums to unlocked and hyperthreaded. I'd say stick with a 6500 or even a 6600k and Z170 motherboard if you want to overclock, which may or may not be cost effective depending on z170 motherboard prices. The hyper 212 evo will be able to handle a decent 6600k OC
You don't need a sound blocking case, the HDD and gpu are usually the two loudest components, and if you get a quiet psu too, it's essentially just the CPU fan making noise, which you could buy a better fan if it's really still that bad

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Should I get a rear exhaust or open air gpu for the node 202 case?

Choice is between:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Cz648d/gigabyte-radeon-rx-470-4gb-g1-gaming-video-card-gv-rx470g1-gaming-4gd
and
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Hz648d/sapphire-radeon-rx-470-4gb-video-card-11256-00

List:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bN4mNN

>>58052079
thanks a lot anon

those psus that have fans turned off until a certain load is reached - how do they work? does it have sensors or something that detect the temperature, or is it dependent upon software or something?

i know its a retarded question but i use stock ubuntu now and i want to make sure everything will be fine

>>58052366
Im not sure but PSUs are not hot components, I wouldn't worry too much about it
I got a seasonic X series 650w 80+ gold with some nice fan and fans-off until some point for $100

>>58052444
>>58052366
Not sure about other PSUs but mine also has a switch to toggle the fan-off mode or always-on fan

>>58052452
>>58052444
thanks again anons

this is just for example, but i already have that exact dvd drive, and i plan on buying the fbm01 now since it is cheaper and only has 1 fan (trying to be quiet here)

the power draw is estimated at 80 right now. what kind of psu would you guys recommend? I don't know much about PSUs, I actually don't even know what the different manufacturers for PSUs are, everything else I feel like I know my way around

that ram and ssd selection are just there to get me an idea of how much power is consumed. please rec me an estimated wattage and brand that is quiet. would a 300w psu handle this easy?

>>58052636
300w would handle it easy, but 400w is a more standard wattage for ATX PSUs and you might find a better deal or a better brand at 400w

>>58052267
Probably a blower-style GPU if only because it will heat up the rest of the case a little less.

hate to come in late in the thread and ask for advice, but i know literally nothign about this stuff

been saving up for a bit, got about 2000 to spend and was teasing the idea of a gaming pc (ive played consoles my whole life). dont plan on streaming or doing video editing or anything like that, just some high quality gaming that i hear so much about. done a little research online for gaming pc's for around that price range from just the first few sites that come up form googling 'gaming pc'
im tech illiterate, but i dont know anyting about the components that make up a computer. any info or tips would help.

some of the 'guides' ive gone over
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/best-gaming-pc

http://www.toptengamer.com/gaming-computer/

https://elitegamingcomputers.com/top-gaming-computers/

I want to build an lga 775 storage machine
Just a box, with a processor, some ram, and a shitload of hard drives

and part suggestions? lga 775 because its the only generation of stuff i dont have, i have earlier socket 478 machines, and i have lga 1156-51 machines

it would basically just be a box to store alot of music and pictures on

>>58052852
> but i dont know anyting about the components that make up a computer.
>2000

you poor soul
you should spend $550 tops

>>58052931
ok "but i dont know anyting about the components that make up a computer." might be a bit extreme, i dont know nothing. and i dont want to spend 500 and then be unsatisfied with what i got... a couple hundred out of five wasted at least

>>58053005
The sweet spot for 1080p/60hz ends up being $600-1000 depending on what you want
For 1440p or 144hz you can get a 1070 video card and bump the price up to $1000-1200
For gaming, choosing parts is simple if you know what kind of games (old, new, high graphics, high CPU?) and what resolution/framerate you're gonna be using

Does a PSU constantly pull the amount of wattage it is rated at? For example, if I have a 400w PSU, is it always going to be pulling as much power as it can, or will it simply pull whatever is necessary to be drawn?

You were right anon, I couldn't find PSUs at 300 or 350 unless they were ultra chinese/unbranded ones, I don't want a housefire

>>58053075
No it's voltage based. A psu supplies the voltages needed for certain components. If you're powering a lot of component or high-current components it'll pull more amps and therefore more watts, by itself
So no, itll only draw what it needs, 400w is just a nice comfy limit

>>58052852
Ight, check out
logicalincrements.com
It shows you different combinations of parts for each price range.
Note, if you want to go all out, which you could with an insane budget like that, leave some money left over for things like nice fans, little aesthetic bits that you like, maybe commision a picture of you fucking your computer, whatever

then when you have a rough idea of what you want, go to
pcpartpicker.com
and select the parts you want, pcpartpicker checks for compatability, brings up issues that may be problems with your part selection, and shows you the best online prices it can find, along with a wattage requirement for your build

remember, when it comes to building a custom pc, its 80% function, 19% form, 1% dicking around
with such a high budget you can get extremely nice parts and have the true pc gaming experience, just know what it is you
>need
and what it is you
>want

you may want to have 64gb of ram just to say you have 64gb of ram, but 16gb is enough for literally anything gaming wise, even 8gb is plenty

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>>58053120
But you don't "need" a computer in the first place

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>>58053120
>spend weeks deciding on what parts to get and why
>go to logicalincrements for the first time
>there's my outstanding build right there, piece for piece

Which wifi adapter if I'm in Australia and get maximum 1.2mbps down on a good day off of my laptop?

Is it worth it to use Gumtree? (kinda like Australia's "Craiglist")
I found some decent deals on a couple of cards, most importantly $30 for a GTX 560 Ti, $20 for a GTX 295, and $120 for 4GB R9 290X

>>58053103
>go to pcbg
>every one of my questions is answered, leaving me wanting for nothing

thank you anon

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>>58054041
Is it worth it to trust Australians to keep their tech in good condition?

>>58054156
you cheeky cunt

>>58038110
What makes you think you need an i7?
How many VMs do you intended to run concurrently?

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>>58054269
it's not like i'm *only* gonna be running VM's, they will be used for a reason lol.

using lots of VST's quickly racks up cpu usage, and I like to use very processor-intensive ones like Serum and Kontakt. that and it will fulfill my autism to be able to make my python scripts moar faster xd

>>58054305
Are the VSTs multi-threaded?

The single threaded performance difference according the PassMark between the i7 7600k and i5 6600k is ~200 points. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=2565&cmp%5B%5D=2570
If the VSTs are single threaded you'll get very little improvement for a much higher price.

If you only plan to run a single VM at a time the 16 GB should be fine, any more than two and the memory amount will start to get anemic fast.

Also, what is your reason to get the liquid cooler over an air cooler?

>>58054305
Most VSTs are not hyperthreaded and won't take advantage of an i7's hyperthreading feature, making the 6700k pretty much perform the same as a 6600k in those non-hyperthreaded programs
Ram is very important for DAWs, but 16GB is also a good amount
I don't know if you have an SSD, but get one. This is pretty big for DAW work imo

>>58038110
>only 16GB of RAM
lol, you'll run out quickly like that. I have between 6 and 10 VMs running at any given moment and my limiting factor is 32GB of maximum RAM supported by my i7.

>>58054534
>unironically using Windows 7 home

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>>58054534
>tfw my i7 only handles 128GiB of ram

>>58054520
>>58054463
well thanks 4 the help, you guys got me -- at the end of the day i just wanted the biggest numbers in my build.

here's an updated one, actually made this earlier today but just changed the cpu now.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WzMgr7

i think a 1070 would be a better gpu choice since I'm gonna be using 144p for some newer games, who would agree?

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>>58054587
>144p
Yeah senpai a 1070 can totally do that

>>58054658
what is your pic supposed to convey here?

also I know it can, just wondering if it's overkill and if i should stick with the 1060.

>>58054587
Throw a $40 SSD in there, you'll thank me sooner or later
You can MAYBE find faster ram for the exact same price, ram prices are weird and vary a lot
If you mean 1440p or 144Hz, you're right either way, a 1070 is pretty much what you need for that from this generation (a 980ti or Fury X would do 1440p also, but at much higher power consumption and similar price)

>>58054587
I'd recommend grabbing an M.2 SSD for the boot drive as well.
$73 for 275GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820156153

>>58054698
>>58054707
is it really worth to get more than 128gb? what am i gonna really put on it besides the os?

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>>58054707
>SATA M2
JUST
WHY

>>58054741
I would put my DAW and my favorite VSTs on it
But I don't agree with the SATA M2 suggestion, either get a baller-speed NVMe M2 like a 950/960 pro (not all NVME M2s have baller speeds though) or stick with SATA (which is what I would if I had a budget whatsoever)

>>58054741
Your DAW and VSTs along with any other programs that benefit from higher IO.

>>58054745
M.2 SSDs run over the PCIe bus rather than the SATA bus that traditional SSDs use meaning lower latency and higher bandwidth.

>>58054745
>>58054774
Disregard that I suck cocks. I missed the SATA part.

>>58054778
But not the SATA 3 M2?
M2 is just a slot, and most motherboards M2 slots support both NVME (which uses PCIe lanes) and SATA
You just suggested a SATA SSD that plugs into your m2 slot

>>58054778
>>58054774
I keep FL and all my music stuff on an external hdd for portablity's sake. thanks for the advice, though. i'll probably get a small one just for the sick boot times.

>>58054774
>>58054741
Also it's good to learn what all your DAW can store onto the RAM, it lets you know what's worth loading from an SSD and what's worth just loading from HDD to RAM
I mean most DAWs have a couple of really good tricks to lower PC usage like flattening and RAMstorage

>>58054819
sorry, that's a mistake. i don't keep FL on my exthdd, just all the VST's and samples. i'm not that stupid

>>58054741
124GB of data?
What else would you do with a storage drive?

Are blowers really that bad?

>>58055191
Yes, unless you're doing a small form factor build in an IRC case.

>>58055332
I hear the FE blower is decent

I have a 250d

>>58055543
The 250d has a lot of room for being an ITX case, and decent GPU airflow, I don't think a multi-fan card would have problems in that case, but I'm sure someone has asked corsair and they've answered, try looking

my friend game me a case and graphics card for free, and monitor for free. So I have an extra 550$ to spend on the rest of the PC.
Here's what I got: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VsDXVY
What would you change?

>>58055758
With that motherboard you can buy speedy ram if you want, 3000mhz is usually priced decently

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>>58055871
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>>58055754
Well fuck I already have the blower style I hope it isn't shit

I should ask I am installing a new graphics card tomorrow and I am wondering if I will need to install new drivers out anything like that. Does it work like ram where I just plug and play basically?

>>58055758
16gb of ram instead of 8gb trust me Steam games and even browsers are going to be taking more ram in the future and 16gb could save you until the next time you need to buy new ram stick.

Also you could try to get a m.2 ssd but I would recommend watching these two videos first before making a purchase.

https://youtu.be/opwON-7J_wI

https://youtu.be/EdF_aerWcW8