Post your component list, rate other anons', ask questi

Talk me out of upgrading from
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/t8Ngr7
with
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/6vJmNN
Might aswell throw out the non-modular PSU while I'm at it and get some nice cables.
Also might not do all in one go, but wait for later paychecks. I'll probably hold out on the CPU and GPU hoping the release of Zen, Vega and the 1080ti will give me better deals.

is mini itx a meme? I'm building a new pc and hate how heavy and how much space my current PC takes, but it's also already hard enough to build as it is with a full tower. How hard it is to build a mini atx pc? I imagine everything is cramped as fuck, and the case cables to the mobo are a fucking nightmare to plug in.

Help /g/, I'm "upgrading" (really building a new pc and rehashing some of the parts that aren't outdated from my current pc), I got a gtx 1060 and I have an FX 8350, want to switch to intel.

Will an i7 be overkill? What can I get that performs better than the FX 8350 and will go nice with the gtx 1060?

>$325 (approx) cybermonday all-rounder budget box
AMD A10-7860K
Biostar Hi-Fi A70U3P Rev 6.2
2 x 8 GB Mushkin Blackline @ 1.5v PC3-17000
2 x 3 TB HGST SATA III HDD -- (refurbished)
600W Thermaltake Smart Series PSU
Fractal Design Core 1100 Case
>unfortunately despite shipping with newest bios this mobo thermal sensors report -128c or -70c cpu temp
>who has same problem?
>how does this affect smartfan control?
>how do i fix this?
>in the mean time reduced ctdp down to 45w for apu just to extend life and save juice; now whole system idles under 25w and peaks around 100w

>check ram prices
>100$ and up

what the fuck happened? remember when "just get more ram, it's cheap" was a thing? Why did the prices skyrocket?

>>58001209
DDR4

>>58001209
Is it still related to that flood in Thailand or was that just harddrives?
.

>~$600 dollar first time build
i3-6100
Gigabyte B150M-DS3H Rev. 1
Crucial 2x8 GB DDR4-2133
Sandisk 240GB SSD
Asus 750 Ti (nabbed for 80 bucks)
EVGA G2 550 Watt PSU

What does /g/ think?

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>Video Game Console Assembly General

>>58001248
>>58001209
http://www.pcgamer.com/heres-why-ddr4-ram-prices-have-spiked/

Phones need RAM too.

>>58000741
>not properly naming the thread
Get out you retarded pleb.

>>58001022
>i7-4790K
I hope you're buying this used because 360 fucking euros are not worth it.
>850 Pro
Well, excellent SSD but also expensive. The 850 Evo should be enough 99% of the time.
>Gigabyte 1070 G1
Get this card instead, it's cheaper and better: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01GVN4LFO

>>58001960
>I hope you're buying this used because 360 fucking euros are not worth it.
Yep, not gonna pay more than 250.

Not sure yet about which 1070 I'm gonna get.

>>58001299
>Asus 750 Ti (nabbed for 80 bucks)
Good buy for 80 bucks but you'll probably regret it, depending on what games you play.
Also, just use PCP, it's there for a reason.

H E L P

want a €30 - €50 cpu 1155 quiet fan.
thinking about:
> Scythe Mugen 4 PCGH Edition
> Be quiet! Pure Rock
> Noctua (idk, some below €50)

For case fans I'm thinking of:
> be quiet! Pure Wings 2, 140mm
> Noctua NF-A14 PWM, 140mm

probably going for the 'Be quiet!' meme, also because the the total price of 2 case fans plus cpu fans will be about 50 €.

Is this a good choice?

>>58002530
>want a €30 - €50 cpu 1155 quiet fan
Coolermaster T4 or 212 Evo, you're not gonna find a Noctua worth owning in that pricerange.

>>58001672
fuck phones desu

How can I improve it with the same money or even less?
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/MzZZXH

>>58002611
Are you aware of the fact that you don't have a dedicated GPU in your build?

>>58001022
Only get a new SSD now. They're a little price inflated because of memory demand, but it's not much in real terms.

The 1070 will likely drop in price with the release of the a Vega GPU and the price of Haswell i7 will fall like crazy once the 4c / 8t Zen is released. Look at the prices again in 6months

>>58001104
Depends on whether you get a modular PSU etc

>>58001137
Definitely wait for 6mo to upgrade your CPU

>>58001299
Looks good. You'll probably want a graphics upgrade after you see what it's like to play games at 60FPS

>>58001844
FUCK, my bad

>>58002649
I don't play gay men, it's fine.

>>58002649
>>58002683
Anything else to improve it?

>>58002713
Looks rock solid if you don't need storage space, don't play games or use applications that require more than 8GB of RAM.

What are you planning to do with it?

>>58002713
Drop to i3 6100 + B150 + stock cooler
Change to miniITX form factor

Unless you know you need the i5

>>58002584
I've got a 212 evo currently, it's whining starting from 40% power.

>>58002680
>wait 4 years, everything will be cheaper/better by then

>>58002530
>case fans
2x Be Quiet Pure Wings 2 = 2x 7.50€ = 15€.
>CPU fan
EKL Alpenföhn Brocken ECO = 34€

Total: 49€

>>58002788
>6 mo = 4 yrs
Nice job, faggot.

>>58002792
Thx will look into the cpu cooler tomorrow

>>58002752
Browsing, 4k youtube, music, photoshop, occasionally play old games, web design, some audio editing.

>>58002815
You'll probably get away plenty with a cheaper MB and an i3-6100.

>>58002815
> 4k youtube
> photoshop
No gpu.
I'm not a really experienced, but is this gonna be ok?

>>58002813
Good cooler, similar to the 212 Evo. If you're german, which i guess because of the PCGH cooler, take at look at their reviews.

>>58002878
Close, I'm a dutchy. Thx, I will.

>>58002874
Current onboard GPU should be fine for watching 4k. Photoshop doesn't require a GPU, but it helps a lot with many features. I suggest getting an i3 and invest the saved money into a RX 460 or something.

I really want an amd cpu and gpu combo to troll my m8s.
Which ones should I take for a $700 build?

>>58000741
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9gQcgL
How does my build look? I'll be playing at 1080p/144hz.

>>58003419
nothing can go wrong/10

While we are on the topic I'll post the pc I'm building, I have no knowledge of this stuff as it's the first time I'm building a pc.I mainly want to know if I need to get additional parts like fans or something.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BymxxY

And yes, I have money, otherwise I wouldn't have chosen the parts

>>58002611
>>58002815
>Browsing, 4k youtube, music, photoshop, occasionally play old games, web design, some audio editing.
I don't know what old games you play, but most should be fine without a dedicated GPU. You also probably won't need a 6600K for this.
This i5 build should do it: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B26pQV

>>58003615
Have you considered a large air cooler instead of that AIO? They can be quite noisy with their stock fans, which is why a lot of people still end up replacing the fans on a >$100 part.

>Noise Level 37.7 dbA
>that rating is 24.6 dbA for a Noctua NH-D15

>>58003615
A 2TB HDD is cheaper than two 1TB HDDs. Do you really need that MB and memecooler if you don't know what you're doing? You can probably save a hundred bucks going for an aircooler and an ASUS Z170-A and still get the same performance.

>>58003615
>$3k build
>no titan x
autism.
Get a better keyboard, and teach yourself how to make a custom loop. If you're set on a 1080, go with Zotac or PNY.

>>58003705
>>$3k build
>>no titan x
No shit, it includes an overpriced gayming monitor, keyboard and speakers.

>>58003692
someone on here told me 2 terabyte drives have a higher failure rate so he suggested I got 2 one terabyte drives

>>58003801
That guy is an idiot, don't do it.

>>58003691
and I have no idea what an aio is but I assume you are talking about my cooler and trying to suggest water cooling like
this anon. >>58003705

I don't want to get into water cooling so that's not an option for me
>>58003705
>>58003788
if you guys could suggest me a better keyboard that's a better or similar price please let me know, also if you can find me a 144hz 1440p monitor better than this one let me know, like I said I am new to this

>>58003851
Your cooler IS a water cooler. How could you NOT have known this?

>>58003878
I wouldn't know because I know nothing about this stuff, why do you think I'm asking you. guys?

so if I have a water cooler what's the issue? I've heard good things about my cooler

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>>58003615
>MAXIMUS AUTISM VIII - Special Chromosome Edition
>I have no knowledge of this stuff
This is a true statement and your build proves it. People like you should get prebuilt systems before they throw $3k at the jews and afterwards complain about how shit the parts are because they broke something.
Pic highly related

>>58003922
Alright thanks for the constructive feedback, it really helped me out

>>58003901
It has a pump that makes noise and could break, rendering the entire thing useless. The fans that are on the radiator by default are bad and loud. It might have a little better cooling than most air coolers, but you won't ever need or notice that.

On the other hand, a normal heatsink with a fan has nothing that could go wrong, no liquid that could leak, no pump to fail. The only thing that can possibly break is the fan, which is easy and cheap to replace. Air coolers are usually a lot quieter and cheaper at the same performance.

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>>58003851
All In One water coolers like that Corsair usually have smaller (relatively speaking, 120 instead of 140 or 150mm) fans at high RPM. An air cooler with a big tower or split tower heatsink and several fans will give you the same cooling performance at a lower price and with less fan noise. Unless you're going for a small case like Mini ITX and can't fit a large cooler, you'd best reserve water cooling for entirely custom loops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51hQUYp40nU

The Masterliquid Pro 240 in this image has two 120mm fans, just like the model in your build.

>>58003952
Do you mind linking me a good air cooler?

>>58003950
He's right, you know? You should just get a prebuilt system and use it to educate yourself. The information you need is on google and youtube. We're not gonna waste out time researching for you.

>>58003984
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=good+cpu+air+cooler

>>58003950
>People like you should get prebuilt systems
It actually is constructive feedback. Because that's what's going to happen if you buy parts worth $3k and have no idea what to do with them.
Hell, you don't even know what AIO is. Prebuilt systems exist for a reason and it's no shame to buy one if you have no clue, which is the case for you.

>>58004029
Ok but I'm choosing to make my own pc and it seems I have a fairly good build minus the cooler, so it's not a waste of parts, you guys said my keyboard, speakers, monitor, hard drives are shit but never said why, so I assume it's because they aren't dirt cheap, most people on this board are poorfag neets anyways

>>58004076
>most people on this board are poorfag neets anyways
At least we know how to assemble computers and which parts to pick.

>>58004100
still didn't tell me while my parts are shit other than grasping at buzzwords and calling me tech illiterate

I already stated numerous times I am not a computer genius so you don't need to state that irrelevant shit over and over

>didn't even know that his cooler was a water cooler

I'd be curious to see what that build would look like without the help of the compatibility filter.

>>58003392
pls help

>>58004137
What makes you think you're in any way, shape or form entitled to get our advice on what to buy with your mom's credit card? Insulting the people you're expecting help from isn't gonna help you all that much either.

And stop using words you don't know the meaning of.

>>58004076
>>58004137
>hurr spoon-feed me durr
Literally nigger/children mentality.

>no idea about computers whatsoever
>calls others poorfag neets
Yep. Go Mac. People like you are probably even too retarded for a basic Windows office PC. You autist didn't even manage to read the OP. This alone tells stories about your mental capacity.
Anyways.. do whatever you want with your dads money since it seems he agreed on your precious (((GAMING RIG))) present for christmas.

>>58004201
I didn't insult anyone, man up baby. And if you didn't read the thread, it clearly states for people to get advice on their pc so I am entitled.
Name one misuse of a word because I guarantee you are 5 years younger than me at least, that's why you all have no money and get mad whenever someone with a job buys expensive parts

>>58004271
Just fuck off already and buy something already assembled for your rich highness' convenience instead of shitting up this thread with whining about nobody wanting to spoonfeed you.

>>58003615
Alright I'll ignore the flaming autists and just try to have a civil discussion like my original intent, anyways I changed my horrific build and improved on it so here it is

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kBWzXH

>>58004460
Not enough LEDs, you fokin pleb.

>>58004460
The 212 EVO isn't bad but it's sort of a 'value' option in the sense that you will hear it more under load than other coolers.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu-cooler/#W=0&c=30&F=0&X=2053,9063&sort=d4&page=1

The Noctua NH-D14/15, Cryorig H7 or be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 are good options if you want to spend a little more than 'budget' tier for good acoustics.

>>58004460
You can get a 3TB HDD for the price of two 1TB HDDs. Are you sure you need 32GB of RAM? People who need that much usually know what they're doing. You can always buy more and add it afterwards if you notice it's not enough.

That case looks like something my 15 year old son would want.

>>58004578
>>58004614
thanks I will check out the noctua, and yeah about the hard drive some misinformed idiot told me that 2tb cards and 3tb cards have a high failure rate, it could be true but he was probably exaggerating quite a bit

I don't really feel like building a pc and want to just buy a refurbed desktop and upgrade it. wut do

>>58004688
and there we go, is this /g/ approved now?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7ZKKsJ

Is it worth picking up a Fury now, or should I just get a 1070/wait for Vega? I'd like to get a 1440p monitor soon too, and Freesync looks pretty nice.

>>58004866
Entirely depends on how cheap a deal you get on it. It's an old card and the only one I can find is 350 bucks, for which you can get better alternatives.

>>58004951
>>58004866
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202186 240 USD after coupon

I'm very happy with mine but I'm only at 1080p.

So my first PC build fried because I had a bad PSU. I got a new PSU via RMA and I have decided to take another whack at building a PC.

This PC will be a slow rebuilding process. I am going to start this build with a new mobo and case, and use old parts as temporary. Overtime I will add all of the new parts listed on this list.

Opinions? Im only kind of worried about the case. It looks god tier with its filters and routing chamber, but im kind of worried it will be too wide.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XbmmNN

>>58006095
>im kind of worried it will be too wide
Too wide for what? Shove it up your butt? Likely.

You could go with a micro ATX MB instead and shove everything in the similar but smaller Air 240, considering you're opting for that short GPU anyway.

>>58006185
Yeah I have considered the Air 240. As for why it would be too wide, this may sound kind of autistic but I have to transport this PC to a friend's place to download stuff because my internet is shit, and I live far out in the country.

>>58003392
Nothing right now. Have to wait for Zen + 570

>>58004460
Need 3000MHz RAM while you're spending your mom's money

>>58004866
Vega, Furys are old and hot. Having said that they are tempting at their current price point

>>58006095
Seems like a weird case.. you might look into a bench case if you're already going that wide

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>>58006223
Heh, I sometimes go to a friend's place with my laptop and external drive to download stuff becaues his internet is literally 50 times faster than mine. He lives just 2 blocks away.

If you really carry it around alot, how about you go miniITX and a 380t?

I myself have a Corsair Vengeance C70 and the handles come in handy when moving back and forth between two places every once in a while.

>>58006342
I have definitely considered the micro build, I in fact have an exact copy of the build I posted in micro form:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7HCpm8

But the mid-tower build has a CD drive, which is nice because I have a big DVD collection. And plus it just has more room for future expansion, etc.

Im currently just weighing out my options.

And I could also get this case instead which has an optical bay, and ironically enough more room for a bigger GPU.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WcphP6/silverstone-case-tj08be

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>>58006404
Can't go wrong with the ammo box.

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USA, Web browsing, Downloading, 15khz 240P gaming.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KGKKsJ
Just looking for something small and quiet to hook up to an old trinitron. Onboard video will run to a hdtv for couch pc for youtube and shitposting, 6670 will be reflashed for 15khz and I will use crt_emudriver for proper res.. Already have a main rig and a laptop.

This will only be emulating up to and including 5th gen so it is a bit overpowered but I didn't want to build on a legacy socket.

Rating and suggestions appreciated.

>inb4 neets bitching about cost and xXxG4M3RLYF3xXx telling me to get an unlocked quad core and a better gpu

>>58006500
I'd get a G4400 instead, it's just a couple bucks more. I'm not up to date on the Intel HD graphic 510, but it should make the 6670 obsolete.

Anyone have a preference for M.2 SSDs?

>>58006570
the dgpu is only to output 240p rgb transcoded to ypbpr and fed to an old sd tube tv so I can play old games in original resolution with the highest possible color fidelity.

I was going to use the pentium over the celeron but it's just not needed.I started with a 4400, better chipset, SSD, 8gb ram and started chopping everything it didn't absolutely need. I forgot to mark it but I already have the cpu cooler.

>>58006755
crucial mx300 is what I have, seems fine and has an extra 24-45gb over the other guys.

>>58006755
What sort of M.2? The fast ones, or the cheap ones?

>>58007022
Just one that is good. I am kind of biased towards samsung but I just wanted to know if there are any better ones out there

>>58007034
Samsung's the best right now. There isn't a contest because Samsung has a monopoly on good SSD components which lets them sell powerful SSDs cheaper than their competitors.

>>58007034
Samsung is indeed the best all-around (Intel is the best if we're not considering pricing).

However, Crucial makes good SSDs and Sandisk is hit-or-miss.

Everything else you can disregard.

>>58004743
that's a great build

are you planning on going multi-gpu or something tho? because 850w seems like overkill. it seems like that'd take up 650w at most

Should I upgrade?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CTCZXH

>>58007300
Why would you get 2 980tis at this point in time? If it's the hybrid cooling you're a retard.

>>58007400
I said "Should I upgrade?"
As in "I already have these parts, is it worth ditching a dead platform right now?"
This is what I want to upgrade to before Kaby Lake drops. I might skip that gen and wait for Cannon Lake to upgrade again.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HxsV2R
I'll probably throw out the older AIO for a newer one.

>>58004951
>>58005092
Yeah, that plus the Android Pay stuff makes it like 225, which is pretty tempting.

>>58006231
What's the ETA on Vega? I'd heard Q1, but that might have just been for Zen.

>>58007483
Vega was Q2-Q3, most likely Q3 last I heard.

Q1 is Ryzen.

>>58001104
Just say what you want to put in it and that will decide if mini ITX can work for you.

Chances are if you only need to put in a regular size GPU, a single water cooler or tower air cooler, 16gb RAM, one or two HDD, two SSD, then there are many mini ITX options that can work for you including ones with carrying handles + great airflow.

The only restriction is that you get one PCIE slot for one card (you probably are doing that), and that you also are limited to maybe four storage drives. Some cases even allow for dual CPU water coolers.

>>58006404
250d is basically a 380t with a CD drive

One last look through before I buy it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dPNYRG

nas/plex

Already have the drives, thanks

>>58009316
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cDyHqk

If you ever want to overclock, simply replace CPU and buy an aftermarket cooler.

>>58009518
Thanks, need 6 sata ports though

Just going to go with mine

>>58009531
For a little less under 10 bucks, you can buy a sata cable splitter which can help you with that.

Better investment IMO.

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With i5 6400 (or even 6500) what chipset shoud I pick?
Will z170 with CPU overclocking give me any noticable increase in performance in games?
Or maybe I should I go for h170 stuff?

>>58009651
Z170 if you plan to overclock on an unlocked processor in the future.

H170 if you don't plan on overclocking.
Period.

>>58009612
Don't really need to overclock a nas

>>58009651
H110 is all you really need if you're just gaming on a locked Intel. H170 is if you actually need more PCIe Gen3.0 lanes for other add-in cards.

>>58009667
And what about non K processors overclocking?
Is there any sense at all?
I mean there are tons ov videos with 6400 oc'd over 4GHz running in cinebench, but there's literally no in game testing results.

>>58009733
>hurr all i care about are game benchmarks durr
>>>/v/

>>58009720
>H110
>Maximum DIMM slots: 2
No thanks.

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>>58009733
>And what about non K processors overclocking?
Is a nigga srs?
That hasn't been possible for almost a year now. Intel Jew-ass microcodes now disable and revert any changes done to the BLCK on any motherboard running a non-K SKU. The only workaround is buying a motherboard that has an external clock generator to leave the CPU's internal clock alone and not trigger Intel's Jew-Mode.
It's enough of a hassle now that it's actually cheaper just to buy an entry-level Z170 board and a 6600K.

Recently bought this to be used as a low-power consuming virtual host running ESXi.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kd26NN

My goal was to go fairly cheap, which is why I opted for AMD processor because more cores for less bucks.

>>58009826
You know, Core i3s come in T SKUs that top out at 35Ws AND have ECC compatibility. Even a Core i3-6100T will run circles around that Steamroller APU.

>>58000741
POVERTYBOX v1

>i3-4130
>H81-P33 mobo
>8 giganiggas of ram
>1tb hdd
>EVGA 1050ti ($110 seemed like an alright deal but considering the 380 is right around there I have my second thoughts)
>450b1 psu
>jet fighter engine Cooler Master cpu fan

Came out to ~$290 on black friday

http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-tu200/

Anyone have this?

>>58009901
holy fug where do you do your shopping on brack fridy

>>58009909
I just low balled a bunch of people on ebay selling haswell i3's until I got one and the rest was a combination of Newegg, B&H photo, and Jet

>>58009720
No. This is how you should be doing it:
>budget i3 or i5 6400
H110
>budget/midrange i5 6400/6500
B150
>mid to high, non-k SLI
H170
>high end / SLI / OC
Z170
>i still want more
2011-3 + i7 6800K it is.

>>58009806
>Intel Jew-ass microcodes now disable and revert any changes done to the BLCK on any motherboard running a non-K SKU.
So, what about changing bios version?
> it's actually cheaper just to buy an entry-level Z170 board and a 6600K
2costly4me.

>>58010003
>So, what about changing bios version?
Possible with custom stuff frome like overclocking.guide but you'll likely loose any warranty whatsoever.
You may need a Z170 board anyways.

>>58010003
>2costly4me.
Then do it over time.

6600K is gonna drop in price next year, if you saw AMD's Zen showcase.

Shit's tight.

>>58001460
underrated post

>>58001460
>>58011384
yeah reminds me to ask, what processor do consoles like PS4 and xbox1 actually have?

Looking to upgrade a really old pc with some cheapo parts for resell later.

A6-3620 to A8-3850 and add a 6670 gpu.
Are there any parts I could get for around the same price that's better, but still compatible?
Only has a 300 watt psu though and no 6 pin connector btw.

>>58011513
>what processor do consoles like PS4 and xbox1 actually have?
Both use a custom AMD x86_64 SoC

>>58012025
any more details?
GHz?

>>58012042
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_4_technical_specifications#Processors_and_memory

Very similar to the video game consoles people assemble in this thread - /vgcag/

want some help with the last part of my build
I'm an ausfag
can someone recommend a good pair of speakers for my computer for between 100 and 200 AUD?
Can go a little over if there's a far superior product just outside that range.

>>58012096
Maybe see if Creative has something that works for you. You could also get some used studio monitors if your PC has optical output.

How do I find out what load my computer is usually at, in terms of power consumption? I'm looking for a PSU that stays in passive mode below a certain load threshold and don't want to end up with one that spins the fan anyway because it only works below 150W and my PC uses 160W in "idle". I know the theoretical idle load, but I want a more realistic estimate, any software that let's me monitor this?

Also, what PSUs in the 600 to 750W range are the best bang for the buck in this regard? I can't find a comprehensive list of models that include semi-passive capability, up to what load it works and how loud the fan is at different loads.

I've been looking at the corsair RM650, are there better alternatives? The corsair fans that came with my case were loud and weak, are the PSU fans loud aswell?

>>58012242
>idle
>160W
What the fuck.

>>58012809
I have an MMO client running at all times, so "idle" isn't really idle. That's why I want to measure it in the first place.

Why is it that when someone will put, say, a 1T ssd into their PC, it will only show like 986gb of storage? I've found that almost any HDD and ssd I've seen does this.

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>>58013159
Windows problem.

Mac OS X and GNU(+Linux) show the correct amount, which is 986 GiB.

gb is not even a unit of information by the way.
g = gram
b = bit or barn, depending on context.

>>58010003
>>58010032
>So, what about changing bios version?
It doesn't work. The microcode update will reset BCLK adjustments once installed even if you roll back the motherboard's BIOS to an earlier version. The only work around is to find an Intel CPU made before March 2016 (and good luck with that) and a motherboard made before March 2016 (again, good luck with that) with a BIOS that supported non-K overclocking.
Only the ASRock Hyper series can do BCLK overclocking on Skylake anymore because they have an external clock generator.

>>58009999
You're retarded. There is nothing wrong with having an i7-6700 and an H110 motherboard if you don't need to have more than four drives and a single graphics card. B150 and H170 are for professional or power users who need the extra expansion slots, lanes, more RAM, or storage for their computer (along with Intel's Jew-ass "business" marketing features that most home users won't ever touch).
H110
>budget and ALL non-K CPUs
B150/Q170
>if you need to have software monitoring, background update/backups, disabling USB ports, screen sharing, or upgrading hardware on an annual cycle without having to constantly check and upgrade drivers
H170
>if you need meme sounds, RAID, SSD caching, and more than 16GB of RAM

>>58013159
1KB isn't 1000 bytes.

>>58013226
Correct.
1 KB = 1 Kelvin Byte, which doesn't make sense at all.
1 kB = 1000 Byte.
1 KiB = 1024 Byte.

How likely am i to get by on 4gb of ram? not looking to do any extreme stuff.

also now that i think about it, how good is intel 520 graphics? not for gaming but for lets say slight photoshop and 1080p video

>>58013506
Good enough. You only really need a video card if you're either running more than a few monitors, play moderately demanding games at 720p or higher, or need hardware acceleration for rendering.

>>58013225
>It doesn't work.
It does work. See: http://overclocking.guide/updated-msi-z170-non-k-overclocking-guide-new-bios/

TOPKEK. Enjoy your cardboard system then, faggot.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z170-H170-H110-B170-Q150-Q170---What-is-the-Difference-635/

Building a PC, mainly gonna use it for light gaming, nothing like photo editing or anything like that.
That being said, should I get an i7 6700k or an i5 6600 (or something else I guess, I'm just going off of logicalincrements) if I'm not planning on overclocking or anything like that? Budget isn't really an issue, but I don't want to waste money if I don't have to.

I know there aren't too many things that take advantage of it right now, I'm more curious what you'd do.

>>58013555
>http://overclocking.guide/updated-msi-z170-non-k-overclocking-guide-new-bios/
I guess only MSI and ASRock allows this stuff now. Interesting.
>Enjoy your cardboard system then, faggot
Why are you boasting about wasting money on shit you'll never use? Unless you're a power user or need to deploy more than a few computers at the same time (or like me use the fuck out of HBA cards, 10Gbps NICs, and a PCIe SSD), why would you need the extra features of a B150 or H170 chipset? Are you actually ever going to use more than 16GB of RAM, let alone 64GB? Are you actually going to use software RAID or SSD caching? Will you even use more than 4 drives at the same time? Are you ever going to use background updates and backups from a management network? Are you ever going to upgrade several computers at once every few years? Are you ever going to need to remotely monitor changes to any software installed on your computers? Etc.

I have a Z97, X99 and C236 system at home because I actually use almost all of the features they support. Hell, I even had to upgrade to an X99 board because I ran out of PCIe lanes.

Is Xeon the only decent CPU family left? The rest are just worthless shit, right?

>>58013620
i5-6500 is good, 6600 is just plain Jewish
Give me a budget and what you actually need and I'll give you a barebones parts list

>>58013530
2 1080p monitors, zero gaming. bit of vegas, photoshop and hi def vid. main purpose is home business. was considering a i5 6500 and possibly a radeon 460

>>58013911
>bit of vegas, photoshop and hi def vid
An i7-6700 (non-K) would meet your needs quite well, but an i5-6500 will do, if a bit slower. I don't like using hardware acceleration, but using an Nvidia card can speed up any video encoding software that uses NVENC

>>58013979
that $200 aud price difference though. would it really beat out a 6500+460 (slightly cheaper option)

>>58014055
Yes and no. I honestly prefer CPU encoding over GPU-assisted encoding since NVENC and the like are either unoptimized, property locked, or just plain shit depending on the state of support from the software you're using. An i7-6700 will take longer to render a 1080p video to H.265, but you'll have better quality control over the finished result. An i5-6500 with a GPU that can do hardware encoding will get the same video done in about a fifth of the time, but the image quality suffers as a result. It's a matter of how important quality is over speed.

For Photoshop, an i7 will flat out beat an i5, but only by a small amount that's hard to justify its $100+ price tag. I'd say play it safe and get an i5 with a GPU that's capable of H.265 encoding, preferably with 10-bit color output (which is only found on Quadro and FirePro cards for now).

>>58013675
>wasting money on shit you'll never use?
People do use those features, especially people here and wasting money?
That's not an argument. The cheap, decent MSI H110 Pro-VD costs $53 while the MSI B150 Pro-VD costs $58, that's $5 difference.
If you want a mobo with 4 RAM slots there's the cheap MSI B150 Pro-VDH for $65. All price differences are marginal if you want an entry H110/B150, so why not get the later?

>>58014139
>preferably with 10-bit color output (which is only found on Quadro and FirePro cards for now).
jeez, i thought stuff like the 7970 had 10bit out for some reason. are you saying though that im looking at the wrong types ofr graphics cards by buy what i guess is gamer stuff?

>>58013777
>trips wasted on such a blatant shitpost
Get cancer and die.

>>58013789
Already have 16gb ram, and a 1060.
Just trying to determine CPU.

>>58014164
If you use those features like I do, then buy it. If it's cheaper or as cheap as an H110 option, then buy it. All I'm saying is that gaymers (too much of /g/, these days) spending $100+ on a motherboard for shit they'll never use for bragging rights is pure stupidity.
>>58014177
I think GCN does technically support 10-bit color output, nut not for encoding or rendering work. That's firmly in the FirePro and Quadro market, so even if you can output raw videos to 10-bit with a bit of BIOS fiddling, the post-production videos using GPU acceleration will not be in 10-bit color.

>>58014297
>gaymers (too much of /g/, these days) spending $100+ on a motherboard
Honestly? I've never seen anyone spending $100+ on a non Z170 mobo. For Z170 builds it's normal to pay $100+ for a mobo.
It only get's stupid when some retard who never touched a computer part before wants to buy a (((gaming rig))) for $3k.

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>>58014181
Can't fight the literal trips of truth, faggot. You will get cancer one day.

>>58014297
i was actually going to pay close to $100 for a mini itx board, but idk bout temps

>>58014339
worse is z and k then never ocing it. reminds me i should oc my 8350

>>58014379
>8350
Good chip if only it wouldn't need a nuclear reactor to power it or require liquid nitrogen cooling to not nuke the entire planet.

>>58014441
got a 212 evo and 760w psu. no complaints but my power bill. i dont get why people still buy it

>>58014460
Well i can understand it. There are very nice sales lately because Zen aka Ryzen is comming soon and for a budget work / light gaming build it's still ok.
I could have gotten a FX8350 + good 990/FX mobo for about 200€, i spare 8GB DDR-1800 flying around somewhere, so yeah.
I want a cool, quiet, decently performant and energy efficient system. Hopefully AMD will deliver in Q1 2017. The market needs competition.

>>58014566
it5 certainly was 4 years ago when i built it, best bang for your buck. man i hope zen delivers at a good wattage

>>58000741
I currently use an fx4100 with an asrock motherboard. I could buy an lga1155 motherboard and an i5 3550 for like $140 used on ebay. Is it worth it?

>>58015024
Nah. Save your money for a bigger upgrade.

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I've done the research but I want to make sure that my logic is correct.

>>58015353
Looks good if the 212 Evo fits inside the case.

>>58015353
Get 3000 RAM instead and maybe a fully modular PSU like the EVGA G2 since it's ITX and space is valuable.
Your M.2 SSD is excellent, but extremely expensive, too. A simple 250/500 GB 850 EVO should be enough, or simply get a cheaper M.2 SSD.
The 212 EVO is good, but clearly isn't the best choice for OC, see if you can fit something like a Noctua NH-U12/14S in there.

>>58015737
>>58015793
To kind of clarify my main concerns, 6600k is a bit of an overkill paired up with the 1060, but I really just wanted a computer to put under my desk and never again think about until I replace the gpu in a couple of years, while everything else remains kind of up to date.

That M.2 is a bit of an overkill as well probably, I could certainly go for a slower model.

I just didn't want to compromise, I'd rather spend 200 extra euros but have peace of mind, even if I don't really need all that performance right now. I'm upgrading from a uni laptop so literally anything would be an improvement for me.

I'll be grateful for any suggestions on the CPU cooler, I just went with the one that I seemed to see the most.

Cheers on the PSU rec.

>>58015866
To me it sounds that all you'd probably need is a i5-6500 build. Rethink if you really want to spend that money or not.

>>58015940
This part I do keep mulling over, since I'd also save on the cooler.

Actually my first time posting on /g/, hoping i'm not a complete moron here,
just wondering on advice, should I upgrade my graphics card or CPU?

I have an i7 3770k @ 3.40ghz, and a gtx 770 2gb,

Was thinking of upgrading to a 1070, but is my cpu getting outdated? I honestly don't really know

>>58016006
You could save on everything. What's the purpose of this build, gaming, work, shitposting?

>>58015940
>all you'd probably need is a i5-6500 build
When I built my rig almost 2.5 years ago the i7-4790k was already out, but settled for the i5-4670 because "honestly that's all I needed".

Now I'm looking forward to buy a i7-4790k at not much less than what I would've paid back then and hoping I get a least some money back selling the 4670 on ebay.

Don't fall for the "you don't need more" meme if you have the money to future proof your system. Although I also have to say the price difference between the 6500 and the 6600 is too much for the performance gain.

>>58016017
CPUs have barely aged since 2011 so i wouldn't worry about that. Upgrade your GPU if anything.

>>58016037
gaming and shitposting

I'm fully aware that I'm paying extra for the form factor, but that part I am actually not willing to compromise. Literally my only consideration is whether or not to OC and just get a 6500, which would mean I don't have to get that expensive mobo and cooler.

>>58016090
alright, is there anything cpu-wise that would be a big performance increase over what I have, that's like, budget-tier? if you can think of something off the top of your head.

>>58016099
If you want to keep your system for 4+ years and need the power for demanding games, get the i5 6600K, if not then get the i5 6500.
If you're willing to compromise ITX for mATX you could save money, too.

>>58016140
It's the best LGA1155 CPU you could have. Upgrading the CPU would mean upgrading to Skylake, getting a CPU, MB and RAM.

>>58016152
thanks

>>58016169
Seriously? Nice.
that actually makes me feel great considering I bought my pc prebuilt like.. 5 years ago

>>58000741
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yPjvD8
Is there anything I should change in my gaming build?

>>58016504
>gaming build?
If you really want to OC, no, otherwise, yes.

>>58016504
LED fans, it's not really a gaymen PC without some. I've found that LED fans add about 5 fps each and monster or razer stickers add 2 fps.

Overkill eurofag NAS/homeserver:

Supermicro X11SSH-CTF
Xeon E3-1225v5
2x 16GB ECC DDR4-2133
6x 4TB Hitachi NAS 0S03665 (RAIDZ2)
240GB SanDisk Ultra II + Kingston V300 (RAID1)
750W Corsair HX750i

Still thinking about case, which also impacts what cpu cooler I'll go with.

Something that I have grossly overlooked?

>>58016017
CPU is great, gfx sucks. Consider the GTX 1060 for 1080p 60Hz.

Next big upgrade above a 6GB 1060 is a purchase of a GTX1070 and a 1440p Gysnc >100Hz HDR monitor

>>58016087
i5-4670 is still a great CPU. Not sure why you're buying anything more unless you're streaming or running multiple VMs or something.

No reason to buy something you shouldn't use, and if you actually need an i7 now, either your use case changed or you didn't plan properly

>>58016689
What are your electricity rates like? Because the Xeon E3-1260L v5 Turbos up to a higher boost frequency as the 1225, but uses half the power most of the time.

>>58000741
I have $350 (usd) and I want to build a itx machine on a itx sized test bench for the smallest build possible. What do? I have considered used haswell parts but I feel like there should be a better solution.

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>>58017812

>>58017880
Oh shit I meant for the Mobo and the CPU. I have all the other stuff from my current pc.

>>58017916
That is a mobo and CPU

>>58017510
honestly great to hear, was probably going to get a 1070, that way I'm set for the future as well, I don't have a 1440p monitor but am probably going to get one soonish

>>58017510
>i5-4670 is still a great CPU
Of course, the E8500 is still a great CPU aswell. But I could've gotten an even greater CPU, had I known I'd need it someday. I absolutely wouldn't have missed the money back then, now I'm spending more overall by upgrading.

>>58000741
Is there any reason to go with Haswell instead of Skylake besides "muh botnet"?

>>58012242
my evga has an eco mode on it, if you flip the switch on the back of the power supply the fan only comes on when load is over 50%
not sure if they are priced in your range though

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Can you recommend me a good 140mm static pressure fan for my rig? I want to create an even more effective wind tunnel in my case (pic related) than I already have, by placing a decent fan in the front, so I can get rid of all the fans on the CPU heat sink itself. I don't know if that will work at all, but it's worth a try.

>>58020506
What's the fan on the front? It's best to get the same exhaust fan as the front. Ideally, you'd get the higher static pressure rating fan in the front and a quasi-static pressure fan at the rear that pushes about 80% of the air as the front.

>>58020567
Can't get the same. The back fits 120mm only, the front fits 140. I don't want to downsize the front fan. A positive pressure is preferred anyway, and the side panel has a mesh.

>>58020397
Which one? I clicked through some models and found the supernova 650 GS, which is only passive under 25% load. As I said above, I have an MMO client running in the background at all times, which could very well put my idle at more than 160W. The 750 version however doesn't specify maximum load for passive cooling at all, it just ambiguoulsy says "zero fan noise during low load operations".

>>58020655
If that's the case, what's the rear fan? A Fractal Design Dynamic GP-12 or Silent R3?

>>58020506
>even more effective wind tunnel
>2 fans
>wind tunnel
M8.
Get Noctuas or be quiet!s. If you really want to make a wind tunnel you should get a Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 PWM for the front and the 120mm equivalent for the back.

>so I can get rid of all the fans on the CPU heat sink itself
For what reason?

>>58020669
Why is the back fan important? It just sucks air out. Any particular airflow characteristics a fan might have are only applicable for blowing, not sucking, except the CFM for obvious reasons.

>>58020705
I'm asking because I want to know its rated CFM. If you don't know, buy a Fractal Design Venturi or Phanteks PH-F140HP

>>58020704
>NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 PWM for the front and the 120mm equivalent for the back
That's like the polar opposite of what I am going for. I want to decrease the number of fans to have a quieter PC, not pull 4 quiet fans to put two loud as fuck fans in their place.

>For what reason?
Less fans, quieter PC, little more temp (can take it, I have a pretty large headroom).

>>58020741
You said you want an effective wind tunnel, now you say you want a quiet PC.

>>58020741
>Less fans, quieter PC
A bunch of low RPM fans are more quiet than one doing all the work. No case airflow will ever be more quiet at the same cooling performance than a triple fan NH-D15.

>>58020821
>at the same cooling performance
I just told you I don't need that. I already have the NH-D15 and it's ridiculous, that my PC is sitting here almost at room temperature, while I'm rendering. So I want to get rid of as many fans as possible to have a quieter PC at higher but still tolerable temperatures.

I have a personal grudge against PC noise, because 18 months of 24/7 (literally, I work from home) buzzing at 32 decibels in my ear got me hearing impaired, and music was like the only fucking joy I had in this miserable life as a paraplegic. Now I'm literally wearing earplugs all the time, while I'm rationing my fucking music listening to a couple of hours a week, while I can still hear anything at 16 KHz and below, with tinnitus fucking up the silent parts.

>>58020906
I guess you're just in love with the idea of not having fans mounted to your heatsink. Put the heatsink fans on the front of the case to make your PC quieter. I really can't quite grasp what you're asking here.

>>58020988
Whatever...

RX 480 8 GB or GTX 1070 for 1080p 144hz?

do i need to install my cpu cooler when doing an out of box test boot?

>>58021229
You should at least have a heatsink installed whenever you power up your CPU.

>>58021229
If you don't, it goes from 0-100 faster than your car. If you want to turn it on, you have to install cooling first. Period.

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>>58021241
>>58021297
ok, thanks. my cooler is huge though (pic related) and i don't have a stock one i can use for a test boot. should i even try installing this thing outside the case?

>>58021488
Just apply some minimal thermal paste and slap it onto the CPU. It doesn't need to be installed with the screws and backplate and shit for a test while the mobo is laid flat, just have the bottom of it contact the CPU and you're okay.

>>58021488
Here's what everyone does:
>install heatsink backplate
>install CPU
>install RAM
>install heatsink
>plug in MB and CPU power cables
>plug PSU into the wall
>boot/test
>remove all cables
>grab MB by the massive heatsink and put it into the case
I guess the rest is obvious from there.

>>58021611
I'm pretty sure with a heatsink that massive, the motherboard pins need to be populated first before installing the heatsink. Saves a lot of trouble.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/sRQLd6

Need to pick a motherboard anyone able to help? also how will linux run on this? (fedora or arch)

>>58021685
I've always done it that way, so has every I know. I've never had any trouble unless it's extremely cramped mini ITX cases.

>>58001991
Works enough for me, my machine is mainly an Overwatch (oh fuck no I'm sorry stop) and Emulator vehicle. Plus it plays MGSV pretty well! Here's the full list, I shopped only during sales and anything costing $0 was a handmedown.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b93f9W

Family member works in software development and sold me a valid Windows USB for 30 bucks.

>>58021728
He didn't say what size his board was, so the default is to suggest the safe way, not the usual way. I've seen retarded ITX designs where you can't even use the USB3 pinout, no matter if you try to plug it in before or after you've done the heatsink.

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZJv26X
How viable is it to intake air through the radiator and flip the front fan to make it an exhaust? I'm really worried about negative airpressure otherwise.

>>58021958
In that computer case, it's really unwise. You're pushing air onto a solid panel.

>>58021958
I feel like a custom mesh top panel with 2 additional exhaust fan mounts instead of the window would be the answer. So, intake through radiator and front, exhaust out the top.

>>58022024
See, this is the reason why I went with a large miniITX case. It's still smaller than mATX, but the dual radiator cooling options are limitless.

i just bought a define s how do i take the front panel off

>>58022554
grab from the bottom and pull

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How much do you goys figure I can OC the i7 with this setup?

Also rate build

>>58022652
>mini itx mobo
>micro ATX case

>>58022863
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6dbcgL

Not sure about the cooler now though, had to go smaller

Might be smarter to go with an AIO to get OC

thinking of getting a mini itx build, would it be worth it regarding heating? do they get much hotter?

Also what about noise? silent computing for me is a major consideration, so ofc ssd, low profile cooler but im getting an xfx card. whats the energy usage like?

>>58017991
If you don't have an SSD for OS plus applications (including games) get that too; 240GB or ~500GB

>>58018303
Like I said, your use case must have changed. The i5 4670 is still great at games or whatever you bought it for. Why would you spend money on something that you have no plans to use? I doubt you actually need an i7

That's like buying snow chains while living in Houston TX

>>58019033
Skylake all the way, unless you want the unlocked Haswell Pentium.

I might bite the bullet on windows 10 soon. Just wondering if they still shove updates down your throat, or if you have control over when and how they are installed? I want to manually search and install them like you could in 7 - is that possible?

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>find good mobo at decent price
>it has no pci-e 1x slots
>mfw

>>58000741
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tcjbRG

>tfw I already own it and paid AUD $250

>>58023971
I'm not sure if you can select install but you can set it to never install without your permission

I'm putting together parts lists just for shits and giggles. What do you guys think of this? 4k High settings (probably not ultra) or 1440p at 90+ fps for as cheap as possible (while still using good parts)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/prCgr7 $1300

OR
a modified version of that list if a gtx 1070 is enough for you. $1000
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WbzCZ8
Feedback would be cool.

Any good amd / ati combo sets mid range?

>>58025057
Ati stopped being a thing in 2004. If you mean AMD graphics then yeah, the Rx 480 kicks ass at 1080p gaming for $199 msrp.
AMD's current CPU lineup hasn't been refreshed since 2012 and it was struggling even then. It's officially obsolete now unless you need a video rendering chip for under $150. Their new CPU's in early 2017 are supposed to kick ass though. Buy intel or wait until about late March for an AMD cpu.

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Which one is beter for i5 6400 + gtx1050 build? Asus z170p, msi z170a PC mate or msi z170a tomahawk?

>>58026593
they are all terrible choices, just like your cpu and gpu.

>>58026697
Any suggestions for the same price?

>>58026593
Complete build makes absolutely zero sense.

>>58026772
Well I'm not that expirienced, but it's look like ok-ish entry level gaming bulid.

>>58026749
i5 6500
rx470 (rx480 is worth the little extra)
anything lower than z170 chipset

>>58026903
Lol no it's not, see logicalincrements.com

>>58026920
Will H170 do?
Also which mobo will you recommend?

>>58027228
yes that will be fine.
pick the cheapest of your form factor, there is no reason to go larger than mATX unless you want to use multiple graphics cards.
the motherboard does not impact the performance of your computer.

>>58027250
Many thanks.

What should I look for when choosing a mobo? I only know about the Z versions are for overclocking.
What will a H150 get me that I can't have on a B110M? Just ports, RAM and PCIE slots?

>>58027876
That's a classic case for Google and comparison tables you'll inevitably find dozens of, or YouTube, there should be plenty videos that explains what's the right chipset for what kind of user.

>>58027876
It's H110 and B150
H110 only has up to 6 lanes of PCIe 2.0 from the chipset (you still get the normal 16 lanes of PCIe 3.0 from the CPU), one DIMM slot per memory channel, and 4 SATA3/USB3.0 ports. It's more than enough for 90% of gaymers and users who only use a keyboard, a mouse, an SSD+HDD, and a graphics card.
B150 has more features in the chipset which allows you to remotely and unintrusively monitor the software and OS (but Intel discontinued this feature as of August 2016, so that's a moot point now). B150 are the cheapest chipsets with PCIe 3.0 lanes from the chipset (only up to 8 lanes) and has two DIMM slots per channel. You can have up to 6 SATA ports and 6 USB3.0 ports native to the chipset.
H110 is almost perfectly ideal for ITX boards, since all ITX boards only have 2 DIMM slots, 4 SATA ports, and a single PCIe slot. B150 is better for mATX boards, but H110 mATX boards are cheaper by a small margin.

Neither chipsets offer software RAID or SSD caching, nor do they offer segmentable PCIe lanes from the CPU. For RAID/SSD caching, you'll need to step up to an Z/H170 or Q170 motherboard and for splittable PCIe lanes you'll need a Q170 or Z170 board.

I'm trying to figure out which motherboard is worth getting, what are some things that I should look at? M2 slots are nice to have, but what about sata express? Will that benefit you over regular sata with newer future ssds?

I'm in the market for a futureproof GPU that turns its fans off at low loads and doesn't suddenly start sounding like a jet engine when they turn on. I was gonna wait for vega before making my purchase, but now I found a ASUS GeForce GTX 1070 DUAL for 369€ (Germany btw). I hate that it's white, but oh well.
Does the 3 fan setup have significant cooling advantages over the 2 fan setup, independent of manufacturer and specific to ASUS?

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>>58028360
>but what about sata express
>sata express
>he doesn't know

>>58028482
Know what?

>>58028488
It's dead, Jim

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Is ASUS 24" VG248QE good? Looking for an economic 144Hz monitor.

>>58027876
>H150
>B110

Not gonna run SLI. Give me 1 good reason to not buy the cheapest z170 board.

>>58028864
You won't OC.
BOOOM NIGGA!!! There's your reason.

>>58028915
I said cheapest z170 board. So yes I will OC.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JQM6NN

roast me

>>58028926
There are enough retards that don't. Anyways, don't get the cheapest, get at least something like MSI Z170 Pro/SLI or ASRock Pro4 or whatever they are called.

>>58029546
Unless you can explain why I should, I don't see any reason to. I'm willing to pay a little more if the money goes towards better stability/quality, but I think it's mostly just extra features that I will never use (SLI, "gaming boost"-meme shit, etc).

>>58029590
Quality, reliability, support. There's a reason why >Biostar is a meme and Gigabyte UD series is a good recommendation.

>>58029617
But does something like the "z170A Gaming Pro" really have "better quality and reliability" than the z170A PC mate? I think it's just the extra features you're paying for.

>>58029659
Yes it does. Although it has an absolut meme name tag, the Asus Z170 Gaming Pro is a very good high quality board with very good OC capabilities.
This board can always be recommended, don't get the gaymur cancer (((AURA))) version.

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>>58028422
Have you been browsing Mydealz?

I second this.

Just purchased it.

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>>58029890
Follow-up: I purchased it, but didn't pay yet.

I have a GTX 1060 sitting right next to me. Ready to either be put into my computer or sent back. Since I've found this deal (369 and possibly 340€ for the Dual 1070) I'm considering to return the 1060.

I've also barely found any reviews and read that the fans do not turn off at no load like the ASUS STRIX version does. ASUS also doesn't advertise with "0dB" on their website.

Is it worth getting the 3-fan STRIX OC?

>>58029890
>Have you been browsing Mydealz?
No, ebay. Went to mydealz but it was already at 1700°C.

>>58029697
Any other boards you would recommend in the same priceclass?

>>58029938
Did you buy it?

Reminder that some ebay shops have no payment requirement to buy something, you can just keep the deal in your buying feed and have days to decide.

>>58030065
Still waiting for confirmation that it turns the fans off below 38C. I found one source that says yes, but a lot of sources that say despite the GPU Tweak showing "fan speed 0", they can see them clearly spinning audibly, to which others reply with "weird, maybe update drivers and GPU Tweak". Obviously there's no source explicitly stating it doesn't turn the fans off and ASUS wouldn't advertise the fact because they'd hurt Strix sales.

>>58030130
>ASUS wouldn't advertise the fact that it does because they'd hurt Strix sales.
FTFM

>>58030130
>The fan's are so noisy at idle and at load. You can't even manually lower it below 29% fan speed, and it doesn't have the 0 db fan feature
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/SingleProductReview.aspx?ReviewID=4770261&Item=14-126-120

>>58000741
How does seagate get away with having such high failure rates?
I'm looking into an external hard drive, are those numbers similar?

>>58030516
Because they're fairly cheap and everyone who gets them thinks he's the lucky guy who gets a drive that will never fail. The gamble is worth it if you keep your data backed up like a sensible person.

>>58014566
It's shit for any MMO, because MMOs are poorly optimized and will torture one CPU core and AMD CPUs have terrible single core performance

>>58028864
I've went from a cheap 990FX board to a slighty more expensive 990FX board, and the difference is night and day in terms of overclocking. First of all, the cheap board had really hot VRM temps (hovering at around 80C if any load was given), and my new board is around 50-60C at load with an overclock. I'm assuming this will be the same for a Z170 board too.

>>58029996
Priceclass of the Z170 Gaming Pro?
Said mobo, it really is good, Asus Z170-A and the Gigabyte Z170X-UD3

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>>58031155
Are motherboards really supposed to run that hot? Then again, maybe anything AMD is automatically 40-60c hotter.

>>58031198
I went from a Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 to 990FX-Gaming, and I'm assuming that the quality of the components on the UD3 is shit because of the massive temp difference.

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>>58028864
Skylake is less affected by voltage delivery systems, but one way to identify decent boards from the shit ones is to count how many chokes the board has around the CPU socket (the big grey ones seen here). They normally reflect how many mosfets are on the board (the little balck squares next to the chokes; they are usually hidden under the heatsink), so the more you have, the better. It also helps to know how many of those power phases are redundant or fail-overs, since they use the same type of choke as the regular mosfets.

>>58031192
Gaming Pro and Z170-A are completely identical in price, but when comparing them, it seems like the only differences is the Z170-A lacks the supreme-fx audio solution, but has 1 extra pci slot. Seems like you would never want to go with that.

>>58013223
kys yourself

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>>58031414
>kill yourself yourself

>>58031520
>being new

>>58031326
All are good, imho get the cheapest of those three and you're good.

>>58029497
It's fine, but a little awkward. If you're already buying a 6600 and a cooler, may as well get a Z170 and a 6600K with fast RAM. Of course if you know that you will never OC it's kinda pointless.

Non-OC builds are usually i5 6500 with stock cooler

>>58024836
6600K + 1070 + 3000MHz RAM
1440p Gsync monitor (wait for HDR)
is the correct choice

>>58023557
Depends on your build. Consider liquid cooling

>>58021708
Absolutely shit build, especially for linux

>>58021156
Depends on the money you have laying around. I'd say 480 for 1080p. 1070 is really a 1440p card

>>58030201
If you didn't know, ASUS were the first to implement the fan stop feature. Apart from that, literally all current generation graphics cards have the feature, and it was the same for 9xx cards.

>>58001137
Nothing. The graphics card is still the bottleneck 90% of the time

>>58032051
>literally all current generation graphics cards have the feature
The non-Strix ASUS cards don't. I know they invented it, but that's no reason to use it with cheap cards, nobody would buy the expensive cards if they did.

Assuming the same price point, would 2400mhz ram timed at 14-14-14 be faster than 3000mhz timed at 17-17-17 for games? Is there a math formula you can use to calculate a sort of effective speed variable? I know the differences will be minimal but I would be fun to know.

>>58032130
That's wrong, they all do. I just checked.

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Can I start assembling my computer without the processor?

>>58032271
of course, but you can't use it. i wouldn't install the mainboard in the case before installing CPU and it's cooler though.

>>58032271
Technically yes, but putting a custom cooler on before the CPU would quite hard if the Mobo is attached to the case(unless it's a fractal design case or something.)

>>58000741
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pZJ7sJ

I think im going to buy this for starting but I want to upgrade to an I7 processor in a year or two. My friend said I wont be able to with this but the I3 and the I7 have the same chip set as my motherboard. Is my friend wrong?

>>58032300
>>58032311
Alright then. Now, should I scrape the factory thermal paste off my i5 if I'm not going to OC?

>>58032380
yes, you can upgrade to a i7 with that mainboard. your friend is retarded, also the chipset does not have anything to do with cpu choice. it's the socket, LGA1151, which is the same for current and next gen i3 and i7 CPUs. I would go a bit higher than b150 though, if you already get an i7 you might as well overclock it. that said, do you really need one? if you want to do gaming, you wont see a performance increase.
>>58032428
you mean the thermal paste on the stock cooler?
if you have better thermal paste at hand, replace it. otherwise it's fine.

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>>58032172
Link a credible source that clearly states that the ASUS GeForce GTX 1070 DUAL OC has the fan stop feature. This is important as it's almost sold out and I will buy it if it's fanless during idle.

>>58032441
>if you have better thermal paste at hand
I'm guessing an HT-KS101 tube from 2008 isn't the best choice then. Thanks.

>>58032441
I only want to do gaming and very light video editing like editing home videos. So you think I should get a better motherboard and everything else looks fine for now?

>>58032380
i3-6100, i5-6500, and i7-6700 are all skylake chipset that work with B150, H110, H170, and Z170.

2 bits of advice-

Wait for Zen or kaby lake(Kaby lake has an unlocked i3 processor.)

if not,

then try this build instead.

You pay a bit more, but get massive gains later on when you overclock with a new i5/i7 sky/kaby lake processor.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QscV2R

>>58032462
nvm they don't
>>58032465
the difference would be small, the stock cooler is loud either way
>>58032488
i5 6500 is what you need, then the motherboard is also fine.
you could consider building smaller, mATX for example, since you likely wont be using many hard drives or GPUs.

>>58032499
I think I will use this build

>>58032548
>>58032441
This look better than mine right?

>>58032560
Also, if you have enough cash, grab a 120 SSD to store your OS on for sub 30 second boot times.

Samsung, PNY, OCZ, etc.

Any of those are good.

>>58032560
i wouldn't get that GPU and HDD, they will likely fail quickly.
other than that, only get that z170 board if you really want to overclock later on. pro tip: it's not worth it, price/performance is bad if you need to get a z170 board for it.
Kaby lake will be barely faster than skylake so there is no point in waiting for that. if you want to wait for zen, you need to get a different motherboard too. so just get the cheapest motherboard with a sufficient chipset (depending on how many pci lanes, usb 3 ports etc you need), get the cheapest ddr4 ram available (since you wont be able to make use of speed higher than 2133mhz), with an i5 6500 or the i3, depending on your budget.
with that graphics card though, you might as well keep the i3. it's good enough for video editing too.

but make sure to get the rx470 instead of the 1050(ti).
>>58032584
you need an ssd too, but not for boot times, just so that your system actually feels fast. the difference is huge.

>>58032621
I can't wait for anything I have a credit and I need to order in 2 days.

I have around 600 to play with.

>>58032673
so get the i3, 8gb ram, and the best gpu you can fit in the budget. other than that, it's up to you, we can't know what chipset you need. but anything will do, really. as i already set, choose a form factor first, no point in getting a full atx case to fit only those few things inside.

>>58032621
>Kaby lake will be barely faster than skylake so there is no point in waiting for that
Except it's clocked higher and has better thermal headroom than Skylake. Keep regurgitating shit memes from /g/.

>>58032710
so what, clock speeds do not mean shit nowaways. their maxium clock speeds in turbo mode are practically the same, it's just marketing. also, thermal headroom is the last thing to worry about with intel CPUs.

>>58032673
>600

Yeah, get the largest SSD under 40 bucks yoiu can find.

Thank you guys.

I think I will just stick with https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wNkDQV

and with the remaining money get a 250 GB SSD.

>>58032825
get a smaller case
get a rx470
get cheaper ram

>>58032825
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wNkDQV
Dude, trust me.
Get the 470, it's a major step up for about 20 bucks.
Please.

And if you have 600 to blow, the build below works out in your favor big time.
>Upgradeable to overclocked processors.
>Upgradeable to kaby lake processors.
>SSD for faster boot time and speeds
>GPU that will age well.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RXvvD8

>>58032906
are you retarded?
any 1151 mainboard will support kaby lake.
and no gpu will age well, especially not a entry-level gpu.
that's a horrible config.

>>58032987
>and no gpu will age well, especially not a entry-level gpu
>tfw managed to survive on a GT 9600 till this christmas
shit feels great

>>58032987
>any 1151 mainboard will support kaby lake.
Yes, I said that.
>and no gpu will age well, especially not a entry-level gpu.
Ran with a 560 last year, and people are running older stuff these days as well, i.e. >>58033100, this guy.

Remember, this config is meant to be upgraded over time.

>>58033100
>>58033227
yeah, im sure you get great performance.
i am using a gtx460 still.
it's a piece of shit and so are your cards.
GPUs are currently at a point where performance increases drastically with every generation, so in 2 years, the rx470 will be much slower than the cheapest card available. thus, no GPUs right now will age well.

>>58033286
FYI, I'm running the i3/470 setup.
I was stupid to not get a Z170 Mobo, but in all seriousness, cheaping out on a 1050ti over a 470 isn't all that good.

I mean hell, if I really wanted to be cheap, I'd go with the 1050/460 2GB and call it quits.

>>58033286
GPUs age well, developer standards and requirements don't.

whatever makes you feel better about spending an asston of money every year or two though
t. gtx 970 owner

>>58033326
why? the rx470 is faster than the 1050ti in most games.
>>58033335
maybe you should install the 970 in your brain so you get the ability to read a bit better

>>58033395
>installing 3.5 into my brain
no thx

>>58032825
Still bad, this is as budget as it get's without losing performance: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mcVZXH

>>58034655
I went with https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RXvvD8

>>58034701
That's just stupid.