>AMD is going to CRUSH Intel/Nvidia with this new thing that

Agreed. It's always "Just wait for the future guyz" with AMD.

AMD has done an amazing job at securing a fan base.

I just don't understand how the fuck they did it. They could have Punjab squat on stage and shit out a long thick turd and call that their flagship and the internet would go crazy over it.

>>57987376
Battered Wife syndrome
No matter how many times they are beaten they always think the husband will change or that it was their or some external fault that caused them to act in that way.
Fanboyism is truly a sad thing to watch
I want to go back to a time we all would just call out memes like AMD saying their processor "can learn"

It's illogical that they could crush both Intel and Nvidia.

It's fanboys' wet dreams.

>>57987537
What do you mean illogical. Do you really think it's illogical that a company with a small fraction of the R&D of two large companies can come up with two new products that crush their competition at a lower price
Fucking intelfag/nvidiafag

>>57987537
>It's illogical that they could crush both Intel and Nvidia.

They just crushed a $1100 Broadwell-E in performance, and Vega just crushed the Titan X yesterday.

>>57987567
Retard

There is no groundbreaking stuff with silicium based processing units to be made.

You have low intelligence.

>i posted it again

>>57987620
>no real world benchmarks, just presentation that serves as advertisment

Lol, try harder to troll.

Will AMD ever adopt an industry standard like Thunderbolt?

Without it they have no future on mobile.

>>57987620
>>57987640
You want to give a little extra time between posts
When you hit the 1m mark that precisely it's very telling

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>>57987462
yatte yaru yatte yaru yatte yaru ze

>>57987432
intel has been fucking everyone sense sandybridge, till that point, amd was a viable option.

in rendering, amd was an option till haswell and even then, haswell did not beat amd at the same price, they beat it only at a higher price point.

and each generation costs more
each generation gets less and less
they remove functionality from platforms (using xenon in e motherboards for one) and gate off functions for 'higher end'

you have gotten fucked long and hard

amd has shown base clock, faster than intel 8 core without any amd boost, this is the base line now.

and intel is putting out another anemic at best cpu which is now drm king number 1

>>57987620

Oh yeah. Just like EVERY OTHER TIME THEIR PRESENTATIONS HAVE THEM CRUSHING NVIDIA AND INTEL AND THEN IT COMES OUT AND SUCKS.

Jesus it's like you guys have no memory.

>>57987741
But we have no real numbers for this processor or a release date, we don't even have the price of it.
And the only benchmarks we have are the ones done by AMD.

>>57987706
I don't speak chink

>>57987376
Ryzen is on the horizon, The WhoreRyzen

>>57987620
Pls b true.

>>57987376

PlayStation 5 is going to be looking good

Running a piledriver here, fell for their lies.

Can't wait for another cycle of hysteria and suicidal disappointment when the AMD fanbase figures out that they've been lied to yet again.

The AMD/NVIDIA master race will return.
Bring the Athlon empire back to life.

>>57987432
Because Jewtel is a terribly predatory company that preys on it's consumers with it's essentially monopoly status and forcing minor 1% refreshes every new iteration so they can do the bare minimum amount of work and innovation, while still charging you an arm and a leg for it.

It's basically that Intel is unethical and takes advantage of consumers, so people want AMD to kick their asses and drive prices back down, and insert competition that necessitates innovation, getting us better stronger faster cpus, in a shorter period of time.

>>57987780
>And the only benchmarks we have are the ones done by AMD.

We have the AotS and Geekbench results that were leaked by people with samples, those were around sandy/ivy perf.

>>57987620
benchmarks no where to be seen

>>57987620
A fantastic show, but we do need to see the numbers on this. So far it does look promising though.

>>57990166
This.

>>57989289
>Piledriver

It's... ok.

>>57990166
Let me add to this. Every high end CPU right now that AMD can't produce anything to compete with has a price point that is astronomical. You get 2-3x performance for about 5-10x the price. An intel monopoly would spell very bad things for the components industry as there is literally nobody else around to pick up the slack.

>>57990307
> You get 2-3x performance for about 5-10x the price.

not even close to true, 6700k is 3x faster than an fx 8350 and it's only about $100 more.

>>57990320
Look at the pricetag of a 6950x.

WHERE IS THE 490
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>57987376
>Like do you not have memory of the past 10 years?

10 years ago they were technically doing fine, and 11-15 years ago, they were pretty much dominating.

>>57990341
Intel has printed so much money that even if AMD comes up with something, they will just drop the prices and kill AMD again.

>>57990341

...and? intel has always priced the flagship CPU obscenely high, even when AMD had a superior uarch, it's a common marketing scheme meant to sell middle of the road products.

>>57990367
Fuck the 490, I want a 490x.

I'll be hanging on to my 290x til that's out but damn I want the extra VRAM.

>>57990379
That would actually be a good thing in the computer industry. Imagine being able to actually afford to drop a current generation i7 into your computer for the price of a Nintendo New 3DS system, you'd have so much fucking money left over that you could afford to order 100 boxes of unfrosted cherry poptarts for real and not as a screencap meme.

>>57987745
OK give one example

>>57990379
>they will just drop the prices

Well, isn't that what we want?

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>>57990487

bulldozer
fury x (overclocker's dream!)
poolaris (pic related)

>zen beats $1299 cpu
>amd sells their for $899

so that means 99% of /g/ cant afford the zen cpu and should stop discussing it


fucking gullible morons, you think amd will sell a cpu worth $1299+ for like $300?

GET A GRIP AND BUY A 6700K BECAUSE YOU WILL NEVER EVER AFFORD THE ZEN

>>57990521
>Implying zen is only one processor

>>57990547
Thats the initial release, have fun waiting for the midrange cpus being released december 2017

>>57990510
>its this retard again
AMD was explicitly clear about serial performance regressions in Bulldozer. They covered it at HotChips a full year before it launched.
The statement about being an overclocker's dream was in direct reference to the cooler and VRM phases on Fury X, not the GPU itself.
That Polaris demo was P11. It is accurate.

The only thing AMD is guilty of is that they don't totally spoonfeed malformed abortions like you.

after killing off AMD for the next 10 years with their OEM jewing Intel just focused on the mobile market

AMD catching back up isnt too unbelievable because Intel's been doing fucking nothing since Haslel

Of course if Zen does well enough theyll BTFO AMD again

>>57990521
>you think amd will sell a cpu worth $1299+ for like $300?

Yeah. AMD doesn't try to jew us out of every dollar. that 1200 dollar CPU is only worth 1200 dollars because Intel says so. If AMD puts theirs at a consumer level price range, they are going to make bank and get a much larger market share.

>>57990521
Nice try, having buyer's remorse now?

>>57990592

>damage controlling this hard

>AMD was explicitly clear about serial performance regressions in Bulldozer. They covered it at HotChips a full year before it launched.

lol no, they even showed benchmarks of the fx-81xx chips beating sandy vagina even though it was never possible to do that outside of very specific workloads with a massively overclocked chip.

>The statement about being an overclocker's dream was in direct reference to the cooler and VRM phases on Fury X, not the GPU itself.

lol no, fury x didn't even have enough power phases to properly maintain it's voltage without massive fluctuations, which is why stock voltage was massively higher than it needed to be

>That Polaris demo was P11. It is accurate.

P11 isn't any different perf/w than P10. both chips are roughly equivalent perf/w to maxwell, so that slide is an outright lie (unless they pumped the voltage and clocks on the gtx950 massively, which is deceitful as fuck and still in lying territory as you need to intentionally flash a custom BIOS and disable OCP with a hardware mod to manage that)

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>>57990674
>redditfag shill just talking out of his ass
Not even worth responding to you beyond this.

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>>57987620
>new products that aren't even on the market yet outperform old old products

Who the fuck would have thought?

>>57990703
>Not even worth responding to you beyond this.

truth hurts doesn't it kiddo?

Can someone post that picture of where AMD releases a new product. It gets hyped. It turns out to be a disappointment and then the AMD marketing team says "Just wait for the next AMD architecture!".

> giving this many fucks

Can you guys just stop arguing about stupid shit for a while? That's be greeeaat.

>>57990320

6700K is only 3x faster is only in single thread in synthetic benchmarks. Real world performance is pretty different. 4K gaming you won't see much if any difference between the two outside of WoW or SC2.

FX 8350 is like $150, 6700 K is like $350.

>>57987376
>Like do you not have memory of the past 10 years?
You know AMD was king of the hill ten years ago, right?

>>57987745
>THEIR PRESENTATIONS HAVE THEM CRUSHING NVIDIA
It's real as long as you only want to play DOOM on Vulkan or one of the three or so D3D12 games that isn't just running the d3d11on12 shit

>>57990940
C2D is 10yo

AMD is going to crush Nvidia, make their stock price tank, buy them up for their intellectual property, then rename them 'Nvindaloo'.

Theyre good with low end cpus

>>57991027
didn't own the market until a couple years later

>>57991841
It was alredy better than athlons at release and intel always owned the oem market. Even during p4 era.

>>57990521
every CPU cost like 5 bucks fag kek

The smaller the CPU the more CPU per wafer = more CPU made per process than before.

Intel should be lower the price since they get higher yields.

>>57990570
The initial release covers all the Zeppelin derived dies, including mainstream
The only chips being released later are APU's
Stop lying Pajeet, you won't get paid

>>57991961
dumb phoneposter

>>57992014
Dumb pajeet, I always send messages from my X60 running Libreboot and Devuan

>>57987706
Ganbare.

>>57990396
I don't think they make X models anymore

>>57990521
You realize AMD has historically released CPUs for a fraction of the comparable intel product, right? Not saying they will this time around, but for 4-500$ for the tippest of the top end consumer product they could make some pretty decent money, and more importantly get market share. Which is ultimately what they`re after, that and the enterprise market where they`ll actually make all of their money. Also, quit being a shit head.

>>57991841
your memory is bad, the first Core 2 Duos crushed every Athlon chip on the market at launch and quickly became the most popular line of CPUs for normies and gamers alike

>>57987376
Do you?. People still bashed AMD when they were kicking the shit out of Intel, but almost nobody cared, everybody was sucking Intel cock and believing all their marketing

I don't really like RasinBran

>>57987376
OP is right. Quickly buy a Skylake quad before it is too late.

>>57990965
>planning ahead is stupid
You think like a nigger.

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>>57990320
>only about $100 more
AMD FX-8350 $145
Intel Core i7-6700K $339

Here's your you.


>>57987432
>>57987462
Eyeroll.

I buy AMD sometimes because I want to see them survive.
I guarantee you that Intel CPUs would cost a lot more money if Intel was the only game in town.

>>57992237
Plus you would have to go back to 32 bit instruction sets due to AMD/Intel's MAD agreement If AMD goes under. Enjoy 4 gigs of ram Intel shills.

does anyone actually understand what senseMI does?

I'm pretty happy about clever turbo fq, my 2600 goes to 3.8 without OC. If 8 core can do that would be nice.

doesn't mean anything if the motherboards for AMD end up being shit or more expensive. CPU alone isn't enough. price must also be lower than Intel while giving similar peformance. if that happens, then ill be happy.

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>>57990722
>new products fall from the sky

>>57987376
10 years ago you mean on the athlon ear which amd was kicking intel ass literally day and night?

hmm yeah good days

also fucking keller is behind it he never failed and neither did he now..

>>57992237
>I buy AMD sometimes because I want to see them survive.
Cuck.

>>57992237
>I buy AMD sometimes because I want to see them survive.
Yet if someone posts I buy nvidia they get called a good goy etc.
No you buy AMD because you cant afford the better nvidia. Why otherwise would you buy the inferior product? you dont do it with other things do you.

>>57992888
The contract between Intel and AMD stipulates that Intel will get to keep using the 64-bit extensions even if AMD goes under, AMD however will lose the x86 licence if they go bankrupt and get bought out.

x86 has to fucking die!

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>>57987620
>They just crushed a $1100 Broadwell-E in performance, and Vega just crushed the Titan X yesterday.

>>57997016
Where have you been today?
https://www.techpowerup.com/228684/amd-ryzen-demo-event-beats-usd-1-100-8-core-i7-6900k-with-lower-tdp
https://www.techpowerup.com/228635/amd-vega-handles-doom-4k-ultra-hd-at-over-60-fps

>>57997075

see

>>57987567
>>57987745

good job /g/ is anon otherwise all the creaming fanboys would have to keep making new accounts every time they buy AMD's hype and go crazy then crash back down to Earth.

>>57997187
The benchmarks are out in the open, anon. kek

>>57987376
>>57987376
what you don't get is that now intel actually has to improve their shit

>>57997232
Cannonlake isn't scheduled sooner than 2018, and that's if they don't delay it like they did with Kaby Lake

>>57997226

and they will not match real-world, just like always

i cast my mind back a couple years to launch of fiji, where amd presspack included some very strange benchmarks showing it beating 980ti (on pre-release drivers, no less)

>>57997280
>where amd presspack included some very strange benchmarks showing it beating 980ti
No, like people have found Zen and Vega benchmarks on benchmark sites listed as engineering samples.

Ahaha, so this reminds me of the 480 pre-release. It was the card that was to be inbetween a 980ti and a 1080. What happened there then?
This thing is going to land on its arse.

>>57991880
dont know what you smoke or if you are really that retarded but a single produced cpu costs much much more...

>>57987620

If you run Blender with AVX enabled Intel is about 40% faster. For some reason AMD chose such settings that Ryzen would match Intel.

As someone who used an Intel processor for a long time now and is happy with it I kinda hope that AMD finally gets back into the game. Same for their GPUs. It sucks havinig no real choice when you want performance.

>>57997357
>avx enabled
they probably disabled it to stop the Intel CPU from stalling since skylake freaks the fuck out with complex avx workloads
i remember prime95 would crash your whole pc on skylakes with avx enabled

>ITT all the Jewtells and Nvidiots are in denial, circle-jerking, and licking their wounds.

I don't understand idiots who don't see the benefits of good competition, even to their preferred product brands.

>>57997705
>ITT all the amdrones circlejerk over 1 presentation slide of a CPU that hasn't been released yet

Being a fanboy of either side is retarded, just buy whatever works for you.

>>57996953
Because at the price I am willing to pay, amd is almost always the best buy.
Don't confuse willing to pay with cant afford.

>>57996953
>No you buy AMD because you cant afford the better nvidia
Does nvidia make x86 CPUs now?
The machine I am typing this on has an 8350 and a GT 640.

>Why otherwise would you buy the inferior product?
I optimize for meeting my needs, longevity, and lowest price.

>you dont do it with other things do you.
Actually I do, everything from cars to appliances.

>>57990495
This is the reason I want AMD to do well.
>>57990379
Dropping the price is the entire reason AMD is relevant, if Zen does good, then Intel will drop their price, and I can get my i7 6700k for less than 300$.

>>57996953
>Why otherwise would you buy the inferior product?

Why did people buy GTX2xx-GTX5xx series, who fucking knows? People just like to be inferior.

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>>57992095
>You realize AMD has historically released CPUs for a fraction of the comparable intel product, right?
underage b& pls leave
The only reason that their cpus are cheap is because they're shit. AMD will jew you at the firts occasion of having better performance than intel.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/1722

>>57990806
You think that might have something to do with hitting a gpu bottleneck? Hmm?

>>57997379
That cpu in comparison is not skylake

>>57998512
real world isn't synthetic

in almost any game that cpu bottlencks, intel is no where near 2-3 times faster, and sure as fuck doesn't even scratch 2x without an extreme overclock.

>>57996431
I buy amd because I fucking hate nvidia and intel and got no other option. still on a phenom II and zen is the breaking point where I cant wait any longer, either amd is good enough, or i bite the bullet and get intel.

>>57997340
wafers cost a fixed amount of money no matter what.
amd sells the 8350 at 200$ and that was pulling a profit

zen is half the die size as the 8350
amd has an absolute fuck load of wiggle room for zen.

>>57998341
>you dont do it with other things do you.
>Actually I do, everything from cars to appliances.

The only things you should not compromise on is anything that is a non disposable item, If something is disposable, get the cheapest, if it's something that can last a lifetime with good care, get a better one.

>>57987376
nobody wrote off Nvidia after Fermi and nobody wrote off Intel after NetBurst

but somehow, after one failed arch by AMD, they're automatically and irreversibly terrible.

reality is, you're a fucking fanboy and people are rooting for AMD because of your constant shitposting

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>>57987462
>>57987745
>>57990510
>>57989289


>Declared high IPC focus from the very beginning instead of muh coars or any other meme
>Jim Keller, who designed AMDs only trumps against Intel in the past and wrecked shit on Apple as well
>GCC listing similarities to Haswell, SMT-based design
>Demos available for download on AMDs website
>b-b-ut they promised things in the past
>m-muh battered wife syndrome
>muh fanboys

I love my neo """"""""/g/""""""""

>>57987432
there's two kind of AMD fans

the greybeards that fondly remember K8 and the HD 7000 series

and those that hate Intel and only prefer AMD because they're the only other x86 vendor available to them

>>57997961
I'm not a fanboy, I don't hate Intel or Nvidia for their products, but for their shitty and unethical practices.

>>57998731
>the HD 7000 series

you mean HD4000 and HD5000, 7000 will only be remembered as the last time AMD was competitive.

>>57998739
>unethical

there's nothing unethical about having a better product, AMD can't keep up so we need new competitor(s). simple as that.

>>57998581
If the CPU is bottlenecking in both cases and one of them really has 2x performance, it will be 2x faster.

>>57998826
like i said, you never see 2 times the frame rate without some extreme overclocking.

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>>57998762
>>57998731
maybe he meant to say the 7000 series, not the HD 7000 series
very different things

>>57987376
>going to crush Nvidia
>uses Nvidia at launch cuz no decent AMD gpu

yeeeeaah no

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REMINDER AMD IS A MUSLIM TERRORIST COMPANY.

DO NOT PURCHASE AMD

>>57998850
That's because CPU will only bottleneck to that extent in DX9 and you probably aren't benchmarking DX9 games.

>>57998943
lower the resolution and you see dx11 cpu bottlenecks

>>57992050
amada kokorysen?

>>57998966
Yea true. Or if you have a DX11 game that is very poorly optimized.

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AMD is competitive with nvidia if you own your card for more than 5 months...

but if you upgrade your card more than every five months go ahead and buy nvidia

>>57992050
saved

>>57999004
on one hand you have games so old a cpu alone could probably render them to 144 at this point, and if you toss in a gpu, several thousand fps

on the other you have more complex games at least with what they do graphically that the cpu needs to feed data to the gpu faster and it cant keep up.

remember, old games had a texture map and that's it, I believe the norm today is 7-8 different texture maps overlapping doing different things depending on how light hits them.

>>57997323
No, everybody expected 980 performance. With the current drivers amd really delivered.

>>57997323
sites like WCC and Videocardz are not to be trusted, it was rumours generated in this two websites and ended up being nothing but wishful thinking and clickbait revenue.

>>57999163
You're wrong. I remember explicitly telling people who were saying it was gonna beat a 980 Ti to tone down their expectations.

>>57999210
People expectation == what is something supposed to be

WoW, you learn so much on 4chins.

>>57999210
the expectations were 'if the card clocks like that, and is the same scale as x, it can' and it can, the issue is you need a high binned chip and those have only been a fairly recent thing. most of the time, stock will be ahead of 970 below 980 till dx 12 or vulcan come into play, some of the higher clocked ones sit above a 980 and below a 980ti with some overclocked ones matching 980ti

the hype wasn't wrong, but binning and real silicon lottery did.

isn't there entire strategy for getting into the scientific/data processing world kinda dependent on that kernel PR that just got declined?

>>58000092
how hard do you think they will bend that one single maintainer before losing hundreds of millions because of him?

I hope they do well because I would like nice new CPU but I have my doubts based on history of hype.

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>>57987620
>vega crushed the titan x

Is that why they used a titan x in the BF1 benchmark?

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Did anyone else notice that Keller looks a lot like ripptoe

>>57987432
It's
>overpriced 10% improvement every gen
vs
>affordable disappointment every gen aka "the underdog"
Both companies have a strong fanbase and both utterly disappoint us every time.

>>57990592
>being a poo apologist

Why did they use the 6900k for gaming?

The 6700k is way better for that, and then they flat out lied that the 6700k can't stream and play fucking dota 2 at the same time.

Maybe they were in cahoots with valve since dota 2 is running like shit after the patch from 2 days ago

>>57987376
And why do you keep making these threads?
>intelfags will never agree amd is decent
>nvidiafags will never agree that amd is decent
>amdfags will never agree that intel/nvidia is decent
>macfags will never agree that pc is decent
>linuxfags will never agree that windows is decent
>windowsfags will never agree that linux/mac is decent

You're the one that keeps ignoring the past 10 years of /g/.

>>57998904
if they'd used vega you'd be bitching about how it's not fair that their own GPU drivers perform better on their own CPUs and that nobody knows how vega actually performs

in any case, they showed vega pulling stable 60fps at 4k mere minutes after that

in other words get bent fanboy

>>57987376
You mean seven years? Sandy Bridge was 2009. Nvidia is a different story as GCN cards have been amazing. Nvidia's only competitive cards were current 1080 (no AMD cards) and last gen 980. GCN cards are still arguably better.

>>57987376
Let them have their little LARP session, it'll be even more fun watching them cry when AyyMD goes bankrupt and Pajeet is out of a job.

>>58000682
the fuck are you talking about it was released in january 2011

>>58000702
My mistake. Happens when you get old. Then again I should just have a pasta for these spam threads.

>>58000723
STOP
BEING
WRONG

>>57997075
>https://www.techpowerup.com/228635/amd-vega-handles-doom-4k-ultra-hd-at-over-60-fps

Only 8gb :(

I hear 1080ti will be 10.

>>58000801
Way more than you could ever use

>>58000540
They used a Titan Xp in the benchmark so you could compare the CPU performance vs a known GPU.

It would have meant nothing if they used an unknown unreleased GPU for the benchmark. The presentation was to show off the Ryzen, not the Vega.

>>58000631
>they flat out lied that the 6700k can't stream and play fucking dota 2 at the same time.

They didn't lie. It flat out can't. Not at those stream quality settings.

You want to stream that game on the same PC then you have to drop the stream quality settings or the stream is going to drop mad frames.

>>58000904
I only want that much just so I can go nuts in Skyrim with high res textures.

>>58000998
I'm able to stream 720p/30fps on a 2500k playing WoW which is probably more demanding than dota. I have no idea what settings the top streamers use but that's all I could do with twitch's bitrate limits

>>58001138
the standard is 720p60 on twitch with 4500 being really high end.

Dota 2 had some 1080p 60 streams this summer though but it's rare atm

>>58001138
They were streaming 1080/60 on slow settings for highest quality.

>>57998731
>greybeards that fondly remember K8 and the HD 7000 series

nice try, but it was really more the K7, K8, and 9700/9800 Pro series, even though it was barely past the team being ArtX instead of ATI, much less AMD.

>>57987462
LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU. DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH FACTS AND LOGIC

>another thread for nvidia shills to create a false dilemma

>>58000966
Except that's your assumption, what's more likely is that Vega might struggle with BF1 on 4k.

The CPU is not the bottleneck at 4k anyway, the gpu is, even a titan x pascal.

>>57999233
So where did your "everyone expected it to have 980 performance" go all of a sudden?