Home Server Thread

>>57946689
>Wasting Energy: The Thread

>>57947129
Also having fun: the thread.

I don't have enough money to afford hardware for a home server, so I've been using old laptops.

They're made not to use too much energy, and when there's a power outage, I don't need an UPS: their batteries will be charged, and last at least half an hour, even if they're crap.

I connected one of my mom's old Vaio's to her TV and installed Arch on it. So she could use it, I installed GNOME, which is quite slow on that laptop. Sometimes it'll have hiccups, as in suddenly everything stops for a split second, then comes back to normal. I still don't understand why. Alas, I'm torrenting TV series she likes through it and she knows how to watch them.

On her old as fuck(512 MB of RAM) Mexican laptop, I also installed Arch. It's quite useless to me given not only it's a very weak Celeron, it also has the performance hiccups. Its hiccups last at least 5 seconds everytime, though.

One thing I can't use them for is network storage: I could only get around 1 MB/s off the Vaio, and didn't even want to try the oldie. I assume the bottleneck is the NIC, since I'm able to download stuff off the net at around 9 MB/s.

I'm going to try my former laptop, which will stay in my room. Even if I can't use it for network storage, I can at least use it for animu.

>>57947411
Using old laptops is cost effective, but unreliable.

>>57947145
Yeah just rent a VPN autistic fag

>>57947578
Why?

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limping along with this at the moment, no raid or anything. Was a lenovo thinkstation S20.

Current plan is to get an Asus P8Z77WS of ebay and dump in either a xeon E3-1225 V2 or i7 3770.

Torn on what to do about the case though. I really like the silverston CS-380B but I intend to move to rackmount at some point when i have the money and a norco case significantly more expensive. Anything cheaper is just garbage though and HDD flexability that the silverstone has.

Also OS suggestions. I have a Winserver 2016 key but i need to be able to write to it with a mac. Was thinking to go with Rockstor.

>/g/
>advice

>>57948042
I thought opinionated people loved giving advice.

does a raspi with a temp/humidity sensor hosted with dyndns count as home server ? I'm thinking about a NAS solution for some time tho, but that'd be a orangepi with sata + HDD

I've been thinking of picking up one of those quad core celeron mini itx boards and get some more sata ports using the pcie slot.

Would that be powerful enough for 8+ drives? It would be purely a storage server.

>>57948730
Sure.

>>57947578
>rent a VPN
Haha what

>come to a home server thread
>the first image is a windows 7 machine

/g/ was a mistake

>>57948800
He probably meant VPS.

>>57948788
I read that mdadm is only single threaded for parity but I think that was more of an issue a few years ago right? I don't want to end up with a bottleneck.

>>57948849
Calm down autismo.

Who the fuck would take a screenshot of their Linux server? It would literally just be a terminal. >>57947845 also didn't say what they're using it for, so it could be fine.

>>57948901
Its currently just running as a file/plex server. Once I move to a new case and have more storage it will be used for not just that but as an ofsite backup for my mums server in her office. I also want to run a direct 10gig line from it to my own desktop so i can move most of the drives out of it and into the server.

>>57948730
will be fine for a pure file server with a couple users. Much more and your better off getting a real CPU. Depending on how much you pay for the whole thing a prebuilt nas might be more economical though.

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Dusty GL360 g6. Planning a complete overhaul of this room over the Christmas break which will include the adition of a proper separate NAS, a firewall, and moving things around so my networking shit can be on my UPS.

>>57949208
Fuck DL not GL

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>>57946689
Dell r510 12 bay with H200 raid controller flashed to IT mode running freenas 24gb ecc ram and 2 L5630 xeon cpu, cost me about 300 to my door and uses about 200 watts.

hp dl585 g6
4 x opteron six core
128gb ram
8 x 300 GB HDD ( will replace those with a qnap 459 u rackmount (4x 500 gb ssd))
i use it more as a workstation --> i.e turn it on over ilo when im sitting at my computer and then connect to the vmware workstation server

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I upgraded it with RAM i found in the trashes

Got a real basic raspi/external HDD set up. Using it as a file and plex server, and it has worked out well so far.

However, what is the next step up? The one thing that bugs me about my current setup is the 100MB LAN and USB 2.0 on the pi, which are huge bottlenecks. I am looking at Intel NUCs, but they look a bit pricey. I would want something that is a nice balance between decent power consumption and enough power for video encoding.

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Xeon 1240v2
16gb ecc ram
SAS adapter
4x4tb wd reds
4x3tb Toshibas
1x1.5tb seashit
120gb sandisk ssd + 240gb crucial ssd

4x4tb drives are in a raid10 configuration while the 3x3tb Toshibas are spanned.

>>57951859
Neat, but where da ups @ ?

>>57952441
It's alright I live in a first world country

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>>57946689
>home server

W H Y THE HELL?

>>57952913
If you don't need one, don't buy one.

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Glorious Ivy Bridge Xeon reporting in. 30 W idle power consumption for ~9000 Passmark points.

>>57953007
Use your old computer and connect it on your network like pic related. I don't understand the ''home server'' point...

>>57953058
What if you don't have an old machine lying around?

>>57953044
did jesus put it your new SSD?

>>57953058
Depends on requirements doesn't it?

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just picked up another 2 dl380 g6's for free from work to add to my original 380 and ts140. got some drives and even one of those lenovo keyboards (no windows key, thing is virtually useless)

2nd one is LFF and i couldnt find any 3.5" non-scsi trays so i will probably just buy them on ebay. not in any hurry because i need to buy 4 more 6tb reds which is going to cost close to $1000

>>57953176
nice

any advice for the OP?

>>57953176
>used enterprise gear is dirt fucking cheap
>hard drives are not

just fucken fuck my shit up senpai

>>57953176
How loud are those fuckers?

>>57953220
both of them are a little pricey, but just for storage you can just remove one of the cpus and set the power throttling on the motherboard to make it worthwhile

>>57953243
they arent that bad, 300gb drives are about $50 a pop

>>57953265
whisper quiet

>>57953322
bullshit m8 they are like a fucking airplane

>>57953346
considering its hard to 100% the cpu's they are as quiet as my ts140. the hp switch is what is loud as fuck

>>57953322
>300gb drives are about $50 a pop

That's not really enough storage, not even 10 of those.

I don't really want 24+ spinning drives, fuck that noise.

>>57953405
300's and even 146's are fine for hosts which is what i use most of them for. for an actual storage solution you need to break out your piggy bank and fill it with LFF reds. and since i doubt you are running fiber through the entire network, the slow rpm isnt a problem

>>57953463
Low rpm isn't the only reason I wouldn't by reds anymore. I have four of them and they are overpriced hype cancer.

>>57953531
if you are running raid then you need something that can handle ure's or you accept the risk. there really isnt a debate to it

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>>57953176
>all those cans

>>57953346
Nope. They are quiet as fuck

>>57946689
>$400
>MSA60
Wew lad...

That's P2000 money. And the MSA60 is 12 drive and sata 1.5.

Just threw out about 40 of them at work.

Grammar question:

A collection has members, items?

So in my shithole of a country buying an actual server is out of the question (HP G3 servers with P4-era processors are still about $200 because fuck you it still works so it's gotta be worth something). My best option right now seems to be to pick up an AM1 motherboard and an Athlon 5350, would be nice and low powered as well as cheap.

Thing is, the motherboards. I want to buy a couple of drives and put them in a RAID or perhaps use ZFS. However, all the AM1 motherboards for sale have 2 SATA ports, save for one guy online trying to sell an AsRock with 4 ports for three times MSRP (because he knows people are having similar ideas).

There's relatively cheap PCIe-x1 add-in cards available that have 2 SATA2 ports a pop, based off an SIL3132 chipset.

Here's my questions;
>I know hardware raid on these things is going to be nothing short of a ticking time bomb, so I'd rather just use them as HBAs and do a software raid. Is that possible? The specs say that RAID is "optional", but I'm not sure it that means it just passes on the disks to the system without doing anything funky like pooling both into one single drive.
>Is PCIe-x1 going to bottleneck two standard 7.2k drives? According to Wikipedia it shouldn't by my math (Each drive should reach about 100MBps max in ideal cases), but maybe I'm missing something.
>I want the 5350 because 4 cores for muh virtual machines; still, maybe the single cores are a bit weak, so should I save and go for a Pentium or i3?

Remember that you can just buy enterprise SSDs used as they are more reliable then HDDs
https://www.servethehome.com/used-enterprise-ssds-dissecting-our-production-ssd-population/

>>57946689
why is it so bad as a media server?
I'm running one from a RasPi 2, works fine
I'd imagine something that beefy would have zero problems

>>57954579
Lack of storage.

>>57954639
but it's got 8 drive bays

>>57954527
>I know hardware raid on these things is going to be nothing short of a ticking time bomb
you're right.
>I'd rather just use them as HBAs and do a software raid. Is that possible?
yes. All the integrated mobo "fakeraid" controllers will let you just plug in drives and not configure a RAID array. Only high-end expensive cards don't let you do that.
>Is PCIe-x1 going to bottleneck two standard 7.2k drives?
Nah.
>I want the 5350 because 4 cores for muh virtual machines; still, maybe the single cores are a bit weak, so should I save and go for a Pentium or i3?
well if you're gonna be running VMs you can actually use several cores, so go ahead and get the 5350.

One thing to watch out for is that if you put more than one cheap SATA card in a system, sometimes they don't play nice with each other. See if you can find a four-port card. idk how much they are in East Elbonia, but in Burgerland you can get one for only like ten bucks more than a two-port card. Or if you get more than one two-port, make sure you can return them.

If you use ZFS the cheapest thing to do is use mirrors instead of RAIDZ. You lose space efficiency, but you can start with only two drives, and expand two drives at a time. (cause remember you can't remove vdevs, grumble...) Mirrors also scrub very fast and resilver fast in the event of a drive replacement being needed. Linux MD RAID doesn't give you the same bit-rot protection, or some of the other ZFS frills, but it can use any oddball drive sizes in any combination, so that might be a better bet. Btrfs would be perfect for you, if only the damn thing worked properly.

>>57948256
They do.
Doesn't mean it's any good.

>>57954684
obv not enough for all his furry porn and backlog of weeb cartoons

>>57954684
8 bays of 2.5'' drives. I need 3.5''.

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Recently bought a 2bed 2 bath condo. Need to wiring the master bedroom and living room down the hall to my office. If it worth it to buy a rack and have dedicated router, switch, and rackmount nas or will something like pic related be fine? It has a built in switch.

If i go with the router i will just build a mini-itx nas instead of a rackmount server. Only need to wire 1 device in each the two rooms and then a few in my office.

>>57946689

>>57948860
still, HAHA WHAT

I run vps off of my desktop. My desktop hosts all servers Id need for home. Media, ftp, samba, and whatever I just happen to need.
Why do you need industry level shit for this basic stuff?

>>57954989
It's going to serve far more than one home. Back up far more than your shitty thinkpad.

>>57954724
Thanks a ton for the info, famalamborghini. I somehow just managed to find a 4 port card with PCIe-x4, used, for less than a new 2 port card; must be my lucky day. Guess I'm going to go with that!

>>57954958
I'd build a router from old desktop parts. If you have a Sandy Bridge i3 and mobo laying around, you could put some ECC ram in it and have room for 10-Gig network expansion in the future. If you want to run Snort and not lose too much bandwidth, an i3 is the very minimum to break the 300Mb/s mark with the IPS on.

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Crap costs 50 dollars a month to run, usually only have my lab on when I am doing lab things.

>>57955457
How much storage? Would you be better off downsizing # of drives and increasing storage per drive?

>>57953044
What case is that, and where can I get one?

>>57954328
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeee

Things are different where I live.

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This is my home server. I use it to seed torrents, IMAP server, owncloud (with cardav, caldav, etc), VPN and media server.

I have Debian on it.

13W idle. Rate it.

>>57956416
I rate it 10/100 out of 10/100/1000.

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>>57955490
Depends what you are trying to do.

the 24x 2.5" is full of 300 GB 10K rpm drives, some day if I feel motivated could put SSDs in and have a hoot. Bottom 24x3.5" is not full of drives. Various things.

>>57955038
how much are you going to back up?
Your mom and grandma dont have that many pictures you weeb looser.

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Looking at motherboards for a file+other shit server, need some opinions.
What are your thoughts on IPMI, esp. supermicro's? Worthwhile and secure enough for an internet connected home machine?

>>57956613
It took me one hour to get this joke.

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>stuck with adsl down/up speeds
>$.26c kWh

>>57946689
If you are into fucking around with fans to silence it, don't choose HP, they've got shit-tier proprietary fans. Supermicro have standard fans that can be replaced with regular fans (replaced mine with Noctua fans (only ones small enough for a 1U). Also possible to replace the PSU-fan if you know how to.

Generally I prefer the Supermicro as they don't have weird special hardware but comes with generic shit that just werks and can easily be replaced by offbrand stuff (i.e. like quieter PSUs)

How good is RAID-ZF2/3?

I find a lot of praise for it, to the point where people will gladly call it just as good, or better than hardware RAID (due to the controller failing in hardware being a huge potential problem) Even found some really big companies that say they use it.

>>57959521
May your fans suckle from the resistors, to muffle!

>>57946689
I have a raspberry pi3, does more or less the same shit your server does without ant problems

anyone here run esxi? I have an old dell rack mount server in my basement that I use to run a VM's for backup and playing around with.

Currently trying to figure out how to take automatic snapshots in case of failure.

>>57960796
>without ant problems

but what if ants carry it away?

>>57956416
underrated post

>>57954328
can I have a couple?

>>57947578
VPS
P
S

>>57946689
nigga all you need is a $70 passively cooled ITX quad core SOC, 4gb ram and a pico psu

>>57962501
Yeah for a pure file server maybe.

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>>57947502
my t420 server would like a word with you.

What can be considered a server for HST anyways?
I noticed that whenever laptops / raspis are brought up, replies are pretty much all
> muh business-grade server

I mean, if it works and the hardware fits the software requirements, why not?

>>57964210
Well you get both. Either you get the 'DURRR POORFAG CANT AFFORD DUAL XEON DURR' and you get the 'LOL WAT DO U NEED XEONS FOR HOME USE LEL'

My g8 microserver sort of falls in-between both. It's small but does have enterprise features like iLO or ecc memory support but then people go durr it's small therefore not enterprise.

Who gives a fuck if it just werks.

How small is too small for a file server?
I need to back up and serve nearly a dozen computers and tablets on my house and want to upgrade some of the ethernet connections to 10GBASE-T. Is a Pentium G4400T or Celeron G3900T not enough to handle at least four 10G lines and 6+ 1G lines at the same time?
And for the record, the 10GBASE-T connections will be for an SSD array for fast system back-ups, so I'll be reaching at least 500MB/s on those.

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Looking at a socket c32 setup. The only decent cooler for the socket is a noctua that costs more than the cpu and mobo combined.

How bad of an idea is pic related with a cheaper cooler?

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>>57947129
Ehh, it's not that bad.

>>57965888
>slot brackets holding down the heatsinks
I've used them to bolt fans into an odd spot in a case but I'd be nervous holding a tower cooler that way

>>57947129
>Building a custom car
>Wasting energy
>Creative cooking at home
>Wasting energy
>Browsing this website
>Wasting energy

Basically if you're doing something without getting paid it's wasting energy.

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>>57946689
I have a fucking Banana Pi and it's good enough for a file server, I can't even begin to imagine why anyone would need anything close to OP level of hardware for home use.

I have no other option than to make this assumption:
[spoiler] AUTISM

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>>57966583
Pic related

/g/, I'm planning to build a pretty powerful home server when I finally move into my new house, but I'm wondering what your thoughts are on this:

Originally, I was going to build a CPU and memory intensive unit, with a small SSD to handle the OS and a few applications. Attached externally to this would be a NAS that would contain a fairly large RAID array. Should I just say "screw it" and place the storage inside the server itself? Can anyone think of any pros and cons to both strategies?

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>>57966583
RAID
SPEED
HORSEPOWER

THE LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON

>>57966583
Banana Pi's SATA controller doesn't allow for port multipliers, thus it's shit if you need a giant-ass mirrored or parity array.

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This is my server.
Rate

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>>57959521
May your fans suckle from the resistors, to muffle!

>mfw i actually run this and a 1950 24/7

>>57966972
8/10
what board are you hosting?
:^)

>>57946689
>Any reason I wouldn't go with the supermicro server?
From my experience, Supermicro is the best for price:performance ratio. It's obviously not cutting edge case design so expect noise and have a dedicated place for it.

>>57948721
Orangepi is great for cost/performance ratio, but it doesn't work quite well as NAS.
Either make your own or buy one.
/g/ has the tendency to not like synology, but they are still very good if you don't feel like tinkering too much

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>>57966583
I will admit its a little bit of autism for me. I do need the power though since I run more than just a fileserver

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>>57950462
MOM I DID IT AGAIN

>>57965989
Christ Almighty please post photos

>>57947578
>another case of people on /g/ pretending they know what the fuck they're talking about

>>57947578
why do these people exist on this board? If you don't like this stuff then get the fuck out, you only look like an asshat going to a place you don't like just to tell everyone how you're too cool for this shit.

>>57958498
How do you even live with those Africa speeds?

>>57968700
neo-/g/
courtesy of peak traffic

>>57965847
I had a celeron g1610t with 8 drives connected and they didn't really struggle to get decent IO. Not sure how much overhead network will add instead of local operations though so take it with a grain of salt.

If you're worried about multiple users maybe invest in something that has 4 recently clocked cores.

>>57965888
As long as the airflow is very good it should be okay. I've seen plenty of servers with just cpu heatsinks but 8+ small fans for huge airflow are required.

>>57966608
NAS are usually overpriced for the specs. If you're looking at decent 4+bay NAS they easily cost £200+ all the way to ridiculous 500+ models.

For that money youre better off buying a used server or building your own. if it's purely a storage server the specs don't have to be high-end, you'd just need a decent motherboard and plenty of sata ports and a big case, like fractal node 804.

I've looked into this myself but no money for drives right now.

I have a dell 775 as a seedbox with 500/500 FTTH

The thing come with a fucking Pentium D 950 @ 3.40GHz

I have around some E2180 that is actually a dual core so its an improvement

I'm thinking about cheapo ali 775 socket options (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-intel-Xeon-X3323-2-5GHZ-6M-1333-Processor-close-to-LGA771-Core-2-Quad-Q9650/32779512994.html)

Will I notice any difference at all?

99% of the use is just rutorrent

>>57953806
wow. a Fark meme on /g/.

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>>57946689
Memes I'm ready to fall for:
2011-v3
X99
Raid Controller Card
SAS
Full Tower
KVM

Memes I'm not ready to fall for:
Rack form factor
SSD (Array)
PCI 8x SSD (OS)

Memes I fell for:
Windows Storage Spaces
Seagate Archive 8TB
Mid Tower
RDC

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>>57946689
Sure, why not...

I've scaled way back in the last year. At least, at home.

Still have a bunch of stuff in a data center that gets pretty constant use.

>>57968873
If all you're doing is basic file shit then prebuilt NASes are fine. They'll use ~10W instead of 100W+ that cheap used servers will, which can be a big difference if you're running 24/7 and low on cash.