>terrible black levels >uncomfy anti-glare coatings >miserable

>Horrible response times
>meh colors
>ridiculous overshooting @high hz

VA panel isn't that great either atm

hope Samsung didn't fuck up with this one

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-34-Inch-Widescreen-Monitor-C34F791/dp/B01M1D7JVO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481289009&sr=8-1&keywords=C34F791

>>57914410
>ips meme
>posts jpeg of a tn model

How do I know? I have one of those.

>>57914410
just buy a crt

>>57914410
>trouble hitting high refresh rates
165Hz IPS is now available.

because colors...

when is 240hz?

>>57914410
60hz is fast enough.

>>57914410
>trouble hitting high refresh rates

?

There are plenty of 144Hz and 165Hz 1440p IPS monitors on the market now. Response times are absolutely fine too. IPS isn't perfect, but its problems are no worse than those of VA or TN and you get a far better image for the most part. OLED is still at least a couple of years away from being affordable (and still has issues of its own).

>>57914410
>gaymen
>2010 + 6

Some do use desktops for work

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>>57914410
OP bought a gaymen shitty TN panel monitor, and is now trying to justify has shitty color panel purchase.

Signed from behind an IPS panel with glorious color reproduction, get fucked OP

>>57915279
next year, it's already anounced

>>57915303
there is exactly one 120hz OLED monitor from Dell

just for $4.999
and nobody has any idea how bad burnin is, it may die in two years

>>57914410
>trouble hitting high refresh rates
Then you probably have a shitty graphics cards, it has nothing to do with IPS panels, many of them are 144hz nowadays

>>57914410
>Why did we ever fall for the IPS meme, /g/?

because we're not /v/ or /tv/.
black levels matter only in a dark room, and <5ms pixel transition times only matter in >60fps gaming, whereas not having positional color shifting is a bigger gain if you're working with mostly static content in a lit room with your nose not buried in CSGO.

>>57915287
for most games it is.

>>57915321
which ips panel? or dont you dare say as its a cheap shit one

>>57915287
>60hz is fast enough.

It's enough for video to not conspicuously stutter, but it's not enough for moving objects to look clear.

Motion clarity needs strobing, which in turn really needs 120+Hz to not fry your eyeballs from flicker. You can double/triple strobe each frame, but that just causes multiple ghosts instead of just blurriness, so you really need content fps = display refresh Hz = display strobe Hz for things to look right.

Ideally we'd have >=240Hz content and displays, so the people who still see flicker in the 120-144Hz range don't have issues either.

>>57915358
LG sells 4k OLED TVs with 120hz capable panels for $2000. They obviously don't accept a 120hz signal, but the panels are technically capable of doing so. People have used them as computer monitors and reports are that burn-in is marginal. OLED is a viable consumer technology.

Arguing over the relative qualities of LCD technology at this late date is asinine. We're on the cusp of a transition. If a wide crop of OLED computer monitors aren't announced at CES in january, I'll be surprised.

And if OLED does die on the vine in regards to computer monitors, it will be a consequence of FUD over burn-in, and just general ignorance. I've heard shit like "is OLED IPS" and "does this OLED monitor have local backlight dimming", from people who consider themselves knowledgeable.

>>57915408
You're not /v/ so you don't care about refresh rates and input lag, you're not /tv/ so you don't care about black levels, you're not /ic/ so you don't care about color reproduction. Paper tape works fine for me. I don't need a monitor.

>>57915408
IPS does have positional color shift though, just not as bad as other LCD technology.

Also lol at "black levels matter only in a dark room", that denial.

>>57915560
So they 100% solved burn in?

>>57915408
>because we're not /v/ or /tv/.
what does /g/ have to do with "working with static content in a lit room"? what content? code? terminal emulator? what does /g/-related shit need with anything better than the cheapest monitor?

If you're working in a studio with graphics design people, then sure, that's what you need, but we have a graphics design board.

>>57915648
nope. Still has issues.

>>57915321
post specs or you are full of shit.

>>57915648
They never 100% solved burn-in on CRTs. It's never been a problem on the LG OLED TVs except in extreme cases like TV showrooms.

>>57914410
>terrible black levels
Yeah pretty common for IPS. Contrast is never much above 1:1000.

>uncomfy anti-glare coatings
>uncomfy
The what? Fine AG is nice as long as grain size is considerably smaller than subpixels.

>miserable response times
Getting better but still behind TN and likely always will be.

>trouble hitting high refresh rates
Yes and no. You can get high refresh rates from IPS panels but the response times limit the usability of them.

>>57915279
BenQ announced 240 Hz TN, will be out next year.

>>57915765
>BenQ announced 240 Hz TN, will be out next year.
It's already out, my friend has one already.

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>>57914410
Dunno senpai but I have this monitor and it is hands down the best looking screen I've ever seen, and it's in the same room as a samsung KS9500.

I also have the PG278Q on my other desktop and yeah that is a shitty TN panel but it never bothered me much when gaming. This is much much better tho.

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when will 4k be a standard? i want to buy a monitor soon but the 4k meme is stopping me from getting a 2k monitor with 144hz ips instead.

people say both 144hz and 4k are both great experiences. but if you get a 4k monitor you can still downscale it to 2k resolution if you want.

hmm

Affordable 4K OLEDs when?

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>>57915945
Or you could join the ultrawide master race and have the best film experience, amazing vidya, amazing work space etc.

For the low low price of $1300USD.

>>57915968
>For the low low price of $1300USD.
fuck that. the 2k pixio 144hz ips monitor i want is only $389

>>57914410
>Why did we ever fall for the IPS meme, /g/?
IPS is the lesser of the LCD evils and I haven't been able to find a high end CRT in over 8 years of looking.

>>57915985
They look awful, so cheap they cannot be any good whatsoever.

>>57916044
not at all. everyone says the panel is brilliant. the enclosure looks cheap and all that. i dont care about it.

>>57916054
>everyone says the panel is brilliant
>everyone says
Who is everyone? Why would you believe them? Anyone ever measured the panel?

>>57916054
>everyone says
>bunch of poorfags who've never seen a decent display

Uhhh.. There's a real problem with your logic here senpai...

>>57916054
Ive watched 2 youtube videos and Id beg to differ.
Theyre cheap for a reason, theyre wank

>>57915968
ultrawide is the stupidest shit.

you could buy a 3440x1440 monitor, or you could buy a 3840x2160 monitor of the same physical width, thus having higher resolution, and more vertical space, for less money.

>>57916098
compared to what? the asus monitors that cost more and have negative reviews everywhere because they have a manufacturing defect?

is there even an alternative to pixio at all with 2k ips 144hz freesync?

>>57916185
Right, cheap things generally are shit yes? hence why they are cheap. You havent stumbled upon bargain of the century.
what is the defect on the asus? i have the PG278Q and im afraid i have had no issues at all.

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>>57916123
>ULTRAWIDE IS SHIT
I've heard this somewhere before... Oh yeah... It was when 4:3 was the standard and 16:9 came around. Funny how all you little faggots follow a few years down the road, eh? Enjoy your inferior experience.

>>57916409
Not that guy but I genuinely wish 4:3 had remained standard and I will only ever "follow" to different standards because of necessity rather than preference. My desktop display is still 4:3 and any inferior experiences are due to content being designed for wider aspect ratios, which is the fault of the standards changing, not because 4:3 is inherently inferior in any way.

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>>57916409
isn't there a point where things become too wide?

>>57916526
I'm sure there is, but this isn't that point. Now go back to your suffering meguka

>>57916502
4:3 was good for some things, for film / vidya I strongly prefer 21:9 as well as for doing any kind of work as it allows me to have a 16:9 render window while still having all my tool kits on the same screen.

>>57916526
>not using the opportunity to post hidamari sketch

>>57916409
16:9 is trash even today. Thats why I use 16:10. 4:3 is way better than 16:9, but the aspect ratio is mostly important for laptops - there is no reason to use 4:3 over 16:10 on desktop.

Still on an FW900

Still waiting for that OLED. They already come in 13" laptops, but getting them in desktop monitors may drag out. Panasonic may drop a bomb in the form of a well running 1,000,000:1 contrast IPS quantum dot panel at CES. We'll see what makes it to the affordable consumer market first.

>>57914433
The Z271 only has a 15ms problem transition, which is huge compared to all earlier VA panels. The 3440x1440 hopefully does as well, certainly should at that fucking price

>>57915560
Burn-in isn't acceptable and nearly every technology that had the issue failed because there was a competitor without the issue.

CRT had no competitor.

>>57915753
they die in 3 years though, that's a bit expensive for 3 year consumable
I need at least 6 years out of monitor

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>>57915905

I also have that monitor. Costs an arm and a leg, but it's seriously the best monitor I've ever owned.

microled displays will probably overtake OLED in a couple of years without OLED ever gaining any traction in the monitor market

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we have come a full circle

>>57916587
Personally, I don't find multi-tasking to be a good argument for wide aspect ratios. With a flat display, the wider it is the more of an angle everything is at towards the sides. For multi-tasking I much prefer to have multiple 4:3 displays with one centered and one on each side angled appropriately towards me.

Curved displays sort of solve the angle issue, possibly even better than multiple angled displays, but you have to use them at the ideal viewing distance they're designed for, which doesn't give you versatility for positioning distance preference and eyesight needs.

Why not go full panoramic?

https://youtu.be/2LOC7Q7ag4o?t=83

>>57914410
I came here to defend my PG278q but realized I wasn't dumb and didn't fall for the IPS meme
I fell for the TN with 10-but color meme, enjoy your problems for 21 more Hz fags

>>57918181
what monitor did you get?

>>57915491
600Hz plasma masterrace

>>57918468
PG278q, it's literally just the non-IPS version of what op posted for $200 cheaper
I also recently learned that ULMB makes a way bigger difference than extra Hz or g/freesync anyways. I'm sure ULMB would be even more important on an IPS display with slower pixel response times

>>57918181
Enjoy your TN panel vertical viewing angle shift.

>>57918829
I am actually, I was worrying about it thow whole time I bought it, as I'm using my monitor like a TV at the moment and am never in the same viewing position, I hardly notice it at all. Vertically it does shift but I have tilt adjustment to fix it, and horizontally I can barely tell the color difference even at extreme left or right
I was worried about viewing angles and color by getting this monitor, but the angles aren't nearly as bad as the Internet said and the color is 10-bit and miles better than my last TV
For 1440p/144hz/gsync/$500 I can't find much to complain about

Dell OLED is apparently vaporware, they probably couldn't adjust burnin for PC monitor

>>57915457
Does it really matter?

Any IPS panel that isn't a cheap piece of shit blows any TN panel out of the water

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>>57916632
All Ume-sensei girls are deliciously wide

>>57915491

I have cheap eyeballs, I stop noticing flicker at 72 Hz.

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IPS on left TN on right.

Some anons picture form ages ago to shut the ips shitters up about muh colours.

>>57919561
I like your figure

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>>57919561
>that drossel
what happens if you plug the usb in?

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>>57919676

>>57919046
Would it blow my TN panels with 10-bit color and good viewing angles?

>>57919561
I seriously hope people don't actually think you can tell anything at all about the performance of either display from this photograph.

>>57915985
Can agree. Picked one up last month, couldn't be happier.

It's the same panel used in the Asus and Acer

>>57919561
model of the monitors please? looks good. is the tn not blurry because of the low response time or something?

>>57914410
>uncomfy anti-glare coatings

Who gives a shit?

>miserable response times

Someone should finally do a double blind test to shut up all the gaymers who dismiss a screen because it has 4ms gtg instead of 1ms.

>trouble hitting high refresh rates

There are several high refresh rate IPS type panels already, it's just that it's much easier to keep selling cheaper TN to gaymers who can't tell if the colors are good anyway over the 9000 lumen's worth of blue LEDs all over the basement.

>terrible black levels

I'll give you this. Nice blacks without BLB or glow is the only legitimate reason to buy a TN panel today.

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>>57914410

your'e only answer !

>>57920906
With ULMB you don't even need to worry about gtg response, because it becomes gtbtg response
Ultimate blackness

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>>57916409
>ULTRAWIDE

More like ultrashort

>>57916409

But 16:9 is shit and was a mistake. 16:10 true masterrace.

>>57920871
It's not my picture, I just saved it.

The pic is from july 2015 if that helps with the asus model numbers.

Maybe he focused on the TN to make it look better.

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>>57914410
>Why did we ever fall for the IPS meme, /g/?
“We” never “fell” for any “memes”, anon.

I can tell you why I use IPS though:
1. gamma stability across viewing angles
2. solid color reproduction

But mostly the former. I'm sick of stuf looking different based on whether it's at the top or the bottom of your display

>>57920937
That's not how it works you moron. ULMB just strobes the backlight, it has fuck all to do with the liquid crystal's response time. It's still undergoing a gray->gray transition.

>>57916016
I practically gave away my Sony Trinitron CRT 15 years ago when I bought some cheap LCD shit screen because muh thinness. Feels bad man.

>>57920377
this.

and then you look at the pic on your TN panel and think, "I can't even tell the difference!" it's retarded.

>>57914410
Wait wasn't ips meant to have better blacks? Ffs 10 years later lcd still sucks.

>Work with Photoshop painter Zbrush etc for jobs.
>Need good color and contrast, want 30"+ 4k for screen space (input lag could be an issue as well when sketching/painting )
>prefer high speed old school games like quake and whatnot so refresh and response times.
>only choice is really one or the other and not autistic enough to abandon work ethic for fucking games.

Are there any options on the horizon, like what are the response times of OLED and are they ever going to be viable?
Are we fucking fucked?

>>57917040
>microled displays will probably overtake OLED in a couple of years
Step 1, make a micro-ILED display to take over with.

>>57920930
FW900 master race bros, or something.
1920x1200@96Hz.

>>57919380
Depends on the phosphors used, decay time associated.Quicker decay is associated with less blurring and afterglow, but more prone to flicker.
I was perfectly fine with my old 60 Hz NTSC Trinitron, but the FW900 at 80Hz flickers too much for me to tolerate.

Something similar holds for PWM, the frequency and duration of the off cycle can produce visible flicker even a rate of a few kHz if set up poorly enough.

>>57914410
That's the pg278q which is TN you literal retard

>>57921361
It seems like a lot of people don't know about phosphor decay variances. My last Trinitron computer monitor flickered very noticeably at anything less than 85Hz, but I can barely see flicker even on a white background on my old Trinitron TV at 60Hz.

>>57921328
1080p 144hz and a fucking expensive 4K OLED display when they inevitably come out
There's no best of both worlds without paying $3000 next year for a cutting edge technology monitor

>>57921943
>There's no best of both worlds without paying $3000 next year for a cutting edge technology monitor
this, and you'll still suffer from sketchy lifetime and phosphor degradation

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I picked up one of these recently. I don't into gaymen though, just use it for productivity purposes. Thought the price was right and looks nice enough...

>>57921326
>ips meant to have better blacks
It was meant have better color (gamma) off angle. IME, it doesn't always succeed at even that plus the contrast shift with IPS.
VA is the low black point one.

>>57921328
>what are the response times of OLED
Phosphors decay faster than any TN realignment (usually <1ms). Strobe methods limited applicability for OLED, and will continue to be non-viable in the foreseeable future.

Issues are in peak brightness, longevity, and efficiency, which share a direct relation to each other. IIRC the mura/uniformity issue with some early OLEDs was a backplane quality issue, and not OLED specific.
As for viability, OLED adoption will increase as the price slides down and more applications for OLED are found. LG will continue to develop their OLED panels, and the rumor mill is churning about OLED iPhones down the line. iPhones will drive more development into foundries as it takes OLED screens from the smaller companies.
It could drive some companies right back into LCD phone screens out of sheer lack of short term supply. However, this has also spurred even more development into OLED production.
OLED is hardly tapped out as far as development goes and enjoys a significant price advantage over the old tech that has fallen by the wayside. Wait and see.


>>57921513
The main reason I bothered with 80 Hz was to try it at 2304x1440 resolution. Oh, the flicker!
Leaving it at 90+ was fairly comfortable, and leaving it around 96 was convenient for video.

>>57921326
>Wait wasn't ips meant to have better blacks?
no

VA was meant to have better blacks
IPS was meant to have better viewing angles and color accuracy

>>57914410
>falling for the flat screen meme
Just get a CRT. Best colors, high refresh rates, no lag. Basically the best of all words.

>>57922447
Sure I'll just hop into my CRT cannon and fire off into CRT land where CRTs grow on CRTies

>>57922447
does have downsides though, they are fuckhuge, fuckheavy, hot, and need more power

TN colour replication is fine so long as you are in the sweet spot. If you are out of that it starts looking pretty bad.

Better TN displays have a wider sweet spot, but it's still a sweet spot. IPS comparatively looks fine even from extreme angles.

>>57922447
where do I get a 30" wide gamut CRT?

>>57915358
This isn't true that monitor is vaporware

The 4k VA I have experienced could produce blacks quickly, but took longer to return from black meaning black objects and shadows smeared on a moving image.

Are all VA panels like that?

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i just bought a benq ew2775zh and it should arrive on monday

can someone rate my purchase?

i mostly watch movies at 1080p, surf the web and do some photoshop

im looking forward to the flicker free technology and hope its good for the eyes

i will try to overclock it to 72hz

>>57922919
>im looking forward to the flicker free technology and hope its good for the eyes
you fell for the marketing. Virtually every display is flicker-free

> Eye-care monitor with Brightness Intelligence Technology that optimizes display performance for videos and movies and automatically adjusting ambient light and on-screen content,
more marketing bullshit, they just don't want to call it “dynamic contrast” anymore because consumers have started to realize that “dynamic contrast” is bullshit.

>AMVA panel
it's okay, better than TN

>3000:1 NCR
that's pretty bad for VA type, I would have expected 5000:1

>8 bit sRGB W-LED
literal shit tier color reproduction

I can't find the rest of the relevant specs on the homepage, but based on this alone I'd say it's not really a great monitor, you can do much better both with VA-type and IPS-type displays.

But I guess if you're a poorfag and wanted something really inexpensive it's reasonable.

>>57922540
>Better TN displays have a wider sweet spot, but it's still a sweet spot

The fact is that there's no getting away from TN's awful viewing angles once you get to 27" or so when it comes to monitors. The sides of the screen will start to look off even when you're sitting right in front of it, because you're still viewing it from an angle due to the size. It's an inherent flaw of the technology that there's no solution to.

>>57922997
AMVA panels have nothing to do with VA ones. AMVA is a slightly tweaked implementation of IPS, despite the name.

>>57922997
>you fell for the marketing. Virtually every display is flicker-free
please explain how he is proofing the flickr free in this video then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEYyAZP9I70

i dont care about the BIT not gonna use it

i dont think there is a va panel at 5000:1 for under 400 €


8-bit is very good, i dont use any application that uses 10-bit

even madvr can only output 8-bit

overall, it's a great monitor, and it's actually not cheap at 210 €.

you only get something thats really better if you pay twice or thrice as much, and thats not worth it. like people who buy a 1080 instead of a 1070 even though they only game at 1080p

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>>57922831
>Are all VA panels like that?
VA is slowest in black->dark gray transition. Overdrive can be useful here, overshoot be damned.

Examples:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_bl3200pt.htm
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/eizo_fg2421.htm


Pic is of the 120 Hz VA panel, worst case. Black to gray time is 44ms.
>Transition: 0-50-0
>(scale = 20ms)

>>57923033
AMVA(Advanced Multi-domain Vertical Alignment)
AHVA(Advanced Hyper-Viewing Angle)

>>57923008
You just sit further away like nigga

>>57922997
>Virtually every display is flicker-free
If only... PWM is extremely common.

Most people think their LED lights don't flicker either, even though most do.

There's so much ignorance when it comes to flickering light sources and its potential health problems.

>>57923033
You're confusing AMVA and AHVA

AHVA is AU Optronic's IPS-type panel
AMVA is VA-type

you can tell by the contrast ratio, no IPS is going to hit 3000:1, especially not a shitty consumer one

>>57923170
>please explain how he is proofing the flickr free in this video then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEYyAZP9I70
by cherry picking with one of the few PWM-driven displays?

feel free to check http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/flicker_free_database.htm for yourself if you don't believe me

virtually every relevant display is on there

I just purchased the PG279Q for 689 Great British Pounds, so far it is fucking glorious.

>IPS
>stable 165Hz
>very minimal backlight bleed contrary to the experience some have had

>>57923170
t. benq shill

You sound like some desperate marketing fag, or perhaps somebody suffering from severe post-purchase rationalization / buyer's remorse

My opinion is that it's shit, and next time if you don't want my opinion then don't fucking ask for it.

jesus christ

>>57922540
>IPS comparatively looks fine even from extreme angles.

this is the big seller for me when it comes to IPS for general use. You don't have to be at a perfect angle to get a good picture, it makes a difference

>>57923230
t. TN poorfag

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_angle.php

if you can see any text on this, your display is shit. end of story

>>57923323
>You don't have to be at a perfect angle to get a good picture, it makes a difference
You people are all misunderstanding viewing angles

The “viewing angle” is not about where your head is. It's about where on the display you're looking

If your head is dead-center in front of the display, then only the exact center of the display is going to look correct on a TN. Every other part of the image will be warped and distorted. See >>57921133

>>57923302
it better be if you're spending that many failed euros

>>57923170
>and it's actually not cheap at 210 €.
You spend every single fucking minute of your waking day staring directly at this device and you think 200€ is much to ask?

I paid 1500€ for my display; that's more than any other hardware component I own - because the display is pretty much the most important thing. It's my primary interface. Everything else is secondary in importance.

>>57923325
what if "lagom" is red on grey evenly everywhere? I don't think this test works right on my Dell xps 13

>>57923335
>image will be warped and distorted

That's exactly what I meant, you are just being more specific where I was generalizing

>>57923325
I think I'm doing it wrong, the text looks the exact same everywhere and it's very clear, but the color test looks perfect on my pg278Q, a little off edge when I look up or down my normal horizontally
What does that mean

>>57923380
Try angling your laptop's display differently.

>I don't think this test works right
It's just a normal image. If that image doesn't “work right”, then it's because your display doesn't “work right” at displaying images.

>>57923413
>the text looks the exact same everywhere and it's very clear
then your monitor's gamma curve is very badly calibrated. On a high-quality monitor, it should be almost completely invisible.

I can't distinguish it from a flat gray image on my LG 31MU97

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>>57923413
>a little off edge when I look up or down my normal horizontally
TN crystals are usually aligned vertically, so the horizontal axis look identical but the vertical axis has off-center distortion

See >>57921133 or pic related

>>57923325
I've seen tons of IPS panels (my own included), especially older ones, fail this test miserably due not to viewing angle issues but uniformity issues instead.

Of course that still makes them shit, but in my experience LCD panels that are not shit in one way or another are rarer than unicorns.

>>57923435
I don't know I'm adjusting the gamma all the way back and forth and am seeing 0 change in the text

>>57923467
>I've seen tons of IPS panels (my own included), especially older ones, fail this test miserably due not to viewing angle issues but uniformity issues instead.
Yes. It's not a test designed for IPS vs TN, nor did I ever claim it was

It's a test designed to detect shitty monitors

>>57923444
I figured, but it's not a big deal when I'm sitting in a chair, the horizontal was what I was worried about since I'm rolling around but it's not bad at all
Glad I saved $300 over the ips version

>>57923414
>>57923435


angling it does nothing, it looks uniform no matter the angle, but the red "Lagom" is perfectly visibile on the grey. I think it may "not work" because the DPI on my display is too high for the image to do it's trick... I'm just guessing here, but the screen on my XPS 13 is very good with veiwing angles. I know what a decent display looks like, Dell UH2715H on my desktop PC

>>57923519
There's no way to fix off-gamma by fiddling with the controls, you need a calibration device.

But you can use http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php to verify whether or not it is indeed a gamma problem or some other artifact

ITT: Underage gamerzz

>>57923542
>I think it may "not work" because the DPI on my display is too high for the image to do it's trick...
No, that simply can't be the case. Again, there is no way the image can “not work”, because it's only dependent on a correct gamma response. This is completely independent from your DPI, resolution, monitor tech, whatever

Stop trying to find excuses and face it, your display is shit if it fails this test. No, it has nothing to do with your magical marketing bullshit “high-DPI” display

>>57923549
Half of these color bars they don't blend in at all anywhere, on the one or two that do it's like 1.6-1.8ish?

>>57923598
Holy shit, that sounds absolutely garbage

On a good display they will blend in at 2.2 everywhere

>>57923569
None of these tests look like they're working right on my IPS pg279q, is it not a 1440p site or something?

>>57923542
>>57923569
The test only works if you're viewing the image at 1:1 without any sort of scaling going on. If he has a high DPI display, he might be using some sort of scaling that's ruining the test.

I don't know shit about PCs but if you try the Lagom test on a Mac with a Retina display in macOS it will not actually work properly unless you use a modification to disable the scaling system and use the display at 1:1.

>>57923615
No, it's just that your display is shit

>>57923609
But half of them don't blend in at all, I'm saying that this isn't a consistent or accurate measure
Does the 10-bit color have something to do with it? The colors are very distinct

>>57923622
>The test only works if you're viewing the image at 1:1 without any sort of scaling going on. If he has a high DPI display, he might be using some sort of scaling that's ruining the test.
Oh right, that would explain it

Holy hell I forgot browsers doing shitty non-gamma aware scaling was a thing. Thanks for reminding me.

>>57923622
>native scaling
Well shit you could've said that, now I see its grayer on the top definitely, still no horizontal problems, glad I have tilt adjust

>>57923622
>>57923627
>>57923632
I extend my statement to: your (browser, display) combination is shit. In a good scaling implementation the lagom.nl next etc. will blend in perfectly as well, so that means your browser is also shit.

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>>57923569
>>57923622
Yes, I am absolutely using scaling, text is microscopic otherwise. Thanks.

>>57923651
mmm hmm

>>57923651
Yeah and now the gamma test is clearly 2.1, 1.8 and 1.9
But now the Windows gamma calibration program looks terrible

>>57923654
what browser should someone using scaling use Mr. Perfect Gamma Man?

>>57923721
I dunno, they're all shit. I don't think a browser on planet earth scales well

There's only one program that I know which scales correctly and it's mpv, but it's a multimedia viewer and not a browser.

240hz 4K 24in 48-bit e-ink monitor when? I'd pay a nominal $5k for this monitor.

>>57923737
>240hz e-ink
in your dreams

>>57914410
I didn't, that's why I bought the MG248Q while it was on sale for $200 so I can play CSGO on it. Got a U2414H next to it and the colors (even after calibration) aren't even close. IPS has objectively better colors but it's retarded for gaming bc of the horrible response time and high price tag.

>>57923737
a bigass high res color e-ink monitor would be fucking amazing if you do a lot of reading, mostly a gimmick though

>>57916123
>ultrawide is the stupidest shit.

guess you don't work, faggot. Got one for my work battlestation and it's great. For gaming and whatever you kids use it for is retarded I agree tho

>>57923358
>because the display is pretty much the most important thing. It's my primary interface. Everything else is secondary in importance.

Visualphiles everyone.

>>57922180
Should have went for the 24 inch BenQ for $124, it's worth the extra $25.

>>57916409
Yeah 16:9 is trash though

>>57923737
>>57923803
that would be amazing for general use, you could use it all day with little to no eye strain. but couldn't use it in the dark unless they also make it backlit somehow.

>>57924195
>but couldn't use it in the dark unless they also make it backlit somehow.
there are these things called light bulbs which are capable of illuminating your display

>>57924219
that wouldn't be in the dark then...

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All I want to know is when god will mercifully put my backbleed out of its misery.

>>57924298
what do you have brightness at?

>>57924298
>there will never be a 1080p plasma monitor
>you'll never have near perfect black levels
>you'll never have the best response times, the least input lag, the highest refresh rates
>you'll never have impecable colour accuracy
>you'll never have the ultimate viewing angles
WHY EVEN LIVE????

>>57924298
>disassemble monitor
>peel screen from backlight and reseat it
>seal edges of screen with electrical tape
Worked fine for my koreashit QNIX desu

>>57924264
your point is? There's no need to use a display in the dark. Bad for your eyes any way

>>57924533
it makes being alone easier

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Did I do good buying this for 250? I'm pretty much a pleb to be honest, and am mostly looking forward to the 4k resolution for non-gaming purposes.

I haven't gotten to use it yet though

>>57924698
>TN
>good

>>57924730
>IPS
>good

basically all displays are bad, refute this

>>57923302
144Hz normal mode is better on the PG279Q.

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The black levels on my iMac 5k are better than my A-MVA monitor I used to have.

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>>57924840

>>57924995
Still not even good, no widescreen, huge/heavy and inefficient

>>57924840
OLED once the lifespan issues are fixed

>>57925038
>once the lifespan issues are fixed

so never.

i'm typing this using screen reading software, currently holding out for wireless optical nerve implants

>>57925084
>so never
some of LG's stuff is already good for 100,000+ hours
only a matter of time
>hurr SSDs will never catch on

>>57925096
SSD still have limited writes and data retention issues

>>57925120
but they've reached a point where the average user will never have those problems

>>57925096
i'm actually pretty hyped for OLED, no joke, not replacing my 720p Toshiba Regza TV until OLED is feasable. the single pixel purple vertical line goes away once it's warmed up

Was tempted to go for a cheaper TN but ended up buying an LG27UD68, anyone know of a better bang for buck 4K IPS panel under $500?

Its quite a step up compared to my older 1080 TNs, I should've saved my money and waited on OLED monitors to become a thing but then I would have to deal with burn in and those display's won't come cheap.

My only gripe with it so far is that the matte finish does not completely prevent reflections showing on a black screen, and there is a little backlight bleed on the top but it is barely noticeable unless if I shut off the lights and and display a black screen. The wobbly stand is horrible but can be replaced with a vesa mount.

>>57925296
>>57925296
>My only gripe with it so far is that the matte finish does not completely prevent reflections showing on a black screen, and there is a little backlight bleed on the top but it is barely noticeable unless if I shut off the lights and and display a black screen.

welcome to current display technology

>>57925120
Newsflash: It's 2016, both of those are solved problems. The only issue with SSDs is the higher price per gigabyte.

>>57914410
TN Dominance

>only looks shitty if you are viewing it from the left and right, which you would not unless multiple people are using the monitor

>https://www.monitornerds.com/asus-pg278qr-review/

>With regards to color-critical performance, the PG278QR still does not disappoint. This product still features one of the best color reproductions we have seen from a TN panel, making this a better option for fast-paced games such as Overwatch and CS: GO. The true 8-bit color interface helps this product a lot in this aspect, even when comparing it side by side against its IPS sibling, the PG279Q. Out of the box, colors, contrast and white balance appeared excellent, and this performance is something this newer model inherits from its predecessor. Still, some tinkering with the color options on the menu are better than using the built-in gaming presets, but even if you decide to tweak, there are only minor flaws which are easily corrected by an adjustment in the color menus.

>>57925697
that sure is a lot of words and not a lot of graphs

I don't give a shit about your descriptions of how vibrant and wide the soundstage was, post the raw measurements or fuck off

>>57925803
pretty much, otherwise it's all subjective nonsense, might as well invest in cable risers

>>57925803
>>57925842
could anyone link me to a good website like notebook check for reviews of these monitors then

>>57925913
I don't actually look at them, I just like to pretend to be superior on the internet

>>57925913
tftcentral.co.uk

>>57925084
>implying optical nerve implants won't have shitty black levels, shitty refresh, shitty colors AND shitty response rate
lmao

>>57919561
>using a shitty photo to compare the colors of two monitors that are placed in different locations at different angles

What makes more of a difference to input lag, the ms response time or the refresh rate of the monitor? I.e. if you have a 4k monitor at 1ms response time with a refresh rate of 60 Hz, how big of a difference is that for input lag compared to a 2k 144k Hz monitor? (1 or 4 ms)

I'm pretty new to this so I'm not sure what the right balance is. I want to strike a balance between visuals and performance.

>>57927577
it's like 3ms to 35ms of inputlag

varies from model to model, read proper reviews that measure everything(tftcentral.co.uk)

>>57927577
>What makes more of a difference to input lag, the ms response time or the refresh rate of the monitor?
Neither.
Response time is the time it takes for a pixel to go from grey to grey (no standards for what 'grey' is, so it's pretty meaningless). Nothing to do with input lag, it's a measurement for ghosting.
And displays can - and often do - have more than a frame of input lag, so if you're thinking otherwise and that a higher refresh rate = smaller frame window = less input lag, nope.

>>57927577
>What makes more of a difference to input lag, the ms response time or the refresh rate of the monitor?
Input lag is a combination of signal delay and refresh rate.

With a 60 Hz monitor you're limited to drawing frames once every 16.6ms, so you have a worst case input delay of 16.6ms right off the bat (assuming you press your input immediately *after* a frame gets drawn), or on average about 8ms.

However even this pales in comparison to processing delay, which is the amount of time your display's firmware spends doing unnecessary shit instead of just drawing the frame. This is generally on the order of like 20-30ms.

The response time is a tiny blip in comparison.

>>57927687
>no standards for what 'grey' is, so it's pretty meaningless
There's an ISO standard but manufacturers don't quote it because it makes the number bigger which is bad for stupid shee- I mean valued customers

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>>57927577
>>57927687
Here's a comparison of some very low latency displays

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Now that we have established TN can be OK especially for gaymen focused use, should one go for Acer predator TN or Swift TN?

>>57923325
Uh oh

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>>57927721
Here are some higher-latency displays

Red is the signal delay (due to processing and/or refresh rate), green is the pixel response time.

Make of this what you will

>>57927733
Phoneposters need not apply

>>57927741
My PC is right in front of me but I choose to use clover because I can do it in the bed

>>57924298
There's just a little bit of bleed there.

>>57927748
I don't need your excuses, phoneposters fuck off and die

>>57927699
Those numbers are true for TVs, not so much for modern computer monitors.

>>57927764
You'll never know it's me =^)

By the way we are very prevalent on /g/ because this is where clover comes from. It just werks, even almost as good as desktop.

>>57927771
See >>57927735

My experience mostly stems from high-quality colorimetric/IPS monitors, the type with hardware calibration and gamut mapping and stuff, such as featured near the bottom of that list.

Those tend not to give a shit about input lag. The ones with tiny input lag are all marketed towards “gamers”. I stand corrected in that “gaming” monitors have low input lag these days.

ill switch from ips to oled

>>57927798
this

can't wait for OLED

>>57927625
>>57927687
>>57927699
>>57927721
>>57927735

Thanks, this was very informative. I'm trying to decide among ASUS screens of either MG278Q (TN, 1ms, 2k 144Hz), MG279Q (IPS, 4ms, 2k 144Hz) and MG28UQ (TN, 1ms, 4k 60Hz). I'm leaning towards the MG279Q based on response times in the review from TFTcentral. They say that Acer XB270HU beats it out in some regards but I don't have an NVidia card so I would want to take advantage of the freesync the Asus screen offers. The only thing I'm wondering about is "IPS glow" and how much of a distraction that is or not.

>>57927967
>2K
fyi, if you're referring to 2560x1440, that's not ‘2K’. 2K is 2048x1080, and using ‘2K’ to refer to 1440p is egregiously misleading

>>57928005

Oh, my bad. How do I refer to 2560 x 1440?

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I just did some testing on http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime

LG 27MU67-B 60hz 5ms - average ~240ms
BenQ XL2411Z 144hz 1ms - average ~200ms

>tfw slow old fuck

>>57927967
>The only thing I'm wondering about is "IPS glow" and how much of a distraction that is or not.
The thing to realize about “IPS glow” is that people reuse the same label to refer to multiple things:

1. poor contrast ratios in general. Even good IPS displays only hit around 1000:1, which is very noticeable in dark scenes. If you want to avoid it, go for a VA-type display instead.

2. backlight leakage from the corners, which is a feature all edge-lit TFTs have in common. (AKA basically every computer monitor in existence) The degree of this depends on the quality of the panel, and can also be somewhat hit or miss.

3. off-center backlight leaking, which is basically what makes IPS screens start glowing when you view them from an angle. All LCD displays fundamentally share this property, but bad polarizers are more common in early or cheap IPS panels due to the increased cost and design challenge. The thing to look out for is increased glowing near the edges and corners, and can easily be confused with #2. The difference is that this type of glow goes away when you view the corner head-on, while backlight leakage stays the same regardless of viewing angle. Overall, for modern/decent IPS panels I wouldn't say you notice this at all unless you're actively looking for the effect.

hth

>>57928024
How many test trials did you perform? Was your testing performed in a double blind manner, with you being unaware of which display was which at the time of the test?

(Yes, placebo is a real effect, and expecting to perform better in a reaction time test _will_ make you perform better)

>>57928048
>edge-lit TFTs
TFT is not a synonym for LCD displays. It refers to the (Thin Film) transistors that control the display, by generation of electric field to align the liquid crystals in the case of LCDs.
TFTs are incorporated into other types of devices, such as OLED displays.

>>57927789
Yeah true, large gamut professional photo work monitors probably are on the higher side with lag but your average cheap LCDs have gotten a lot better and aren't in the region of tens of milliseconds of signal processing lag anymore.

>>57924298
That's mostly just IPS glow(not backlight bleed) aside from that spot in bottom middle.

>>57928164
Ah, my bad.

>>57928048
>>57928171

For those who have IPS monitors, how much of a deal breaker or not is the 'normal' IPS glow in dark colored displays?

>>57928048
>backlight leakage from the corners
meant to say edges, not corners

>>57928190
What a stupid question. For those people who own IPS monitors, it obviously isn't a deal breaker.

>>57927967
>Acer XB270HU
panel uniformity sucks

>MG278Q
>MG28UQ

TN, I wouldn't, even though they are somewhat decent these days they are still unnatural.

>MG279Q

Okay, I have this one, it's good BUT I have pretty much ideal sample and there is plenty of people that got terrible glow in lower left corner, it's like 15% chance to get one so consider how good your store with returns.
Blacks for IPS are fantastic, and contrast is 1200:1 again for IPS it's great. Just lower brightness to 30, it's very aggressive on default.

There is also pg279q it has a better panel but it also costs 200 more.

Also all those TN owners complaining about glow, heck I tried TN a year back its glow is worse than my current monitor, my eye bleed after using TN for too long. All that constant color shifting it's like looking at fake 3d postcards instead of monitor.

>>57928171
>That's mostly just IPS glow(not backlight bleed) aside from that spot in bottom middle.
no, that's bleed, center dark parts is glow

>>57924298
brightness is too hgih

>>57928195

I guess to frame the question better, I mean how 'up to standard' is it for dark lit scenarios? People choose monitors for a variety of reasons and can decide some things are less of a priority than others. I can see myself often playing dark lit games so for me it is a concern.

>>57928236
it's not a problem, at first if you come from VA panel it might be weird, in one week you don't notice it. Glow doesn't mask detail.

>>57928054
obviously no blind test and only 5 runs on each since I'm not willing to put that much effort into this. the only thing I can say for sure is that the faster monitor definitely makes a difference.

placebo probably had an effect on the number itself since it shouldn't be more than 20ms max difference right? +4ms response time and +16ms (max) for the new frame.

>>57928212

>Just lower brightness

Huh I guess that would solve the problem wouldn't it?

I also was looking at the PG279q but I don't have an Nvidia card. Is the monitor sync feature that important?

>>57928236
I got used to it, so I can't really say. I've been using only IPS panels for the past 6 years or so. Any length of time looking at the same phenomenon does things to your perception. Like when your brain gets used to new glasses, or when you stop seeing chromatic aberration. It's the same for low contrast displays.

My brain is just so used to it that it sees a black image as a black image, even if it's dark gray in reality.

>>57914452
there's a version of that with ips
how do i know?
i have one of those

>>57928257
>>57928270

That makes sense

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>>57928267
>Huh I guess that would solve the problem wouldn't it?
No, contrast is usually independent of the brightness. Black level is going to be the same relative to the content brightness no matter what setting you're using.

>>57928267
I don't use freesync, 144hz itself solves tearing issue for the most part you'd notice it only if game stutters too much.

If you don't plan to buy nvidia then i'd say it's kind of stupid to overpay $200 for a feature you won't use.

>>57928277
Btw, if you either know the brightness/contrast of your display or can look it up on something like tftcentral, you could try simulating the appearance of a 1000:1 contrast image digitally, by using the appropriate tone of gray in place of black

>>57928279
no? did you skip OSD testing paragraph? black levels change and quite a lot with brightness

contrast doesn't equal black vs white, you oversimplify

>>57928325
>no? did you skip OSD testing paragraph? black levels change and quite a lot with brightness
Yeah _no shit sherlock_

Do you even fucking understand what ‘contrast’ means? It's the ratio between the white and the black level. Yes, if you change the white point from 200 cd/m2 to 100 cd/m2 the black level will go from 0.2 cd/m2 to 0.1 cd/m2

The point is that it doesn't affect subjective image appearance because the _ratio_ is the same. The blacks will still look as “bright” compared to the image content as before, the dynamic range is the exact same.

>>57928286

I wouldn't pay $200 for that either. Is there any other significant difference between the PG279q and the MG279q?

>>57928358
read the review and compare
pixel response is better at 144hz
black is blacker tiny bit
contrast is the same

I'd wait for ces2017 honestly, auoptronics probably got new panels to sell
they make pretty good progress every year

>>57928388

I looked at the data and the MG279q does nudge out the other, but it seems very narrow. I have an R9 Fury graphics card, will the free-sync feature ever be relevant for my processing needs or will the 144 Hz refresh rate take care of anything it assists with?

>>57919561
The fuck is that picture going to tell us

>Some anons picture form ages ago to shut the ips shitters up about muh colours.

I hope they got shot

>>57924298
I fixed my Korea monitors bleeding after bending my panel very carefully

>>57927735
I was so excited for that 38" monitor from LG

kinda dissapointed... and ofcourse low hz :(

>>57928024
Foris fs2735 160 ms average

PS: mouse makes a big difference too

i'm using a g403

>>57931265
Personally, I'm never buying another monitor from LG again. Their firmware programming is so god-awful. It takes a fucking second to load up the menu so you can turn the damn thing off, and it takes like 10 seconds to boot (complete with a stupid jingle that you can't turn off)

Plus, the controls are done using this stupid fiddly ‘joystick’ at the bottom of the screen, making even simple things like turning the display off or switching the input source an exercise in tedium and error.

>>57928024
>>57931299
LG 31MU97 (slow-ass IPS, no response time compensation) 236ms

I blindly tried setting the ‘response time’ setting to some random value few times and re-running the test in each time, my results:

Response time: Low -> 222ms
Response time: Off -> 230ms
Response time: Low -> 232ms
Response time: Off -> 228ms
Response time: Low -> 237ms

At this point I got annoyed that I was always only randomly selecting Low or Off (and never Medium or High), so I set it to High specifically just to see what would happen

Response time: High -> 243ms

If there's a trend, I don't see it. Doesn't seem like placebo helps either. That said, it might be a good idea to record the best possible time instead of the average time, since I feel most of my outliers are due to reaction fatigue and getting distracted by thoughts on my part.

>>57932874
Also, I think my record during this time was 200ms (not counting one case where I scored 156ms, but I think that was a fluke because I pressed on instinct because of on reaction)

>>57932895
>instinct because of on reaction
instead of on*

>>57919705
How do I get one