/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

First for I'm thankful for Stallman's contribution to the free software movement.

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Remember to NOT reply to the bait and keep the thread friendly and welcoming.

Is FreeBSD more patrician than linux?

>>57905859
No but FreeBSD is great.

>>57905859
Well it has less users and less uses.

Hipster would be probably a more adequate term, but then again why not use something even more obscure?

>>57905954
I'd use Plan 9 but it doesn't do 4chan

>>57905966
haiku buddy

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Join us now and share the software ~

redpill me on torrent software ?

>>57906044
i actually prefer how he looks with strands of grey hair and beard

>>57906065
cli: aria2
tui: rtorrent
gui: transmission

>>57906065
libtorrent is shit, avoid like fire

>>57906065
>redpill me on
>get reply
>what's the best
>get memes
Now I truly see.

>>57905844
So we can only talk about FSF+ Stallman+ approved topics?
Thats a dictatorship

>>57906126
Well, nobody can tell what's the best for you, hence "The one I'm using.".
>>57906142
Stop baiting, faggot.

>>57906085
rtorrent never worked for me. I mean, it works, but at some point it's always freezing.

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>>57906142
Shit bait bub

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>>57906208
>discussing linux related organizations and persons representing said organizations is illegal

>>57906249
stop baiting

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>>57906249

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>>57906281
>look mom

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>>57906296

>>57906150
>>57906208
>>57906264
>>57906274
>>57906296
stop fucking replying to him and he'll go away.

He always posts the same shitty pictures and just waits for (You)s to line up.
He even has a fuckign (You) counter on the top of his page.

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>>57906309

>>57906362
good pic

>>57906362
You dont have the permission from the artist to use this image.

Is there a way to run a shell script when I connect a zip disquette to my machine?

>>57906415
udev rules

>>57906427
Thanks.

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>>57906415
>zip disquette

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>>57905803
>GNU/Linux fags will defend this

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>>57906495

>>57906477
I will defend this, this picture is genuinely funny.

Also Tesla opened all their patents.

Guys I may have fucked up good, need some help. Long story short

> used to have a dual boot windows 10 - ubuntu
> eventually got tired of windows so formatted its main partition but kept the system reserved partition (sda1 in my case)
> like an hour ago i was doing some stuff with gparted and decided to format the system reserved partition thinking it was useless windows shit
> reboot and fucking 'no operative system' message appears

I guess i deleted my grub files or something, I booted ubuntu from a usb and downloaded boot-repair, but after a good thirty minutes it just 'an error occurred during repair, please reboot' or something like that.

Any ideas would be highly appreciated, i'd rather not fresh install ubuntu again...

Richsard stallman is running at you for not using libre free software. What do you do?
A) Continue running, hes a fat 60 yr old
B) Put down a copy of windows 10,he will stop and look at the box and give it a 12 hour lecture,enough time for you to escape safely
C) Take of your shoes and socks,scrape them with a knife and hand stallman your foot scrapes, he will eat them, this is will buy about 2 minutes of time

>>57906557
https://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/

should do.

>>57906557
You need to reinstall a bootloader,grub,and run initramfs

>>57906565
D) Ask him to explain why FreeBSD isn't free

>>57906592
bsd is gpl compatible

>>57906565
E) Get on my hands and knees and beg forgiveness

>>57906477
that's somehow funny since tesla actually put their patent into the public domain and mostly use open source for everything. If I remember correctly they put linux on it. A guy even managed to install gentoo on it just to watch movies while "driving".

since you're using ubuntu I guess you got a live cd of ubuntu. boot on it, add the repo for boot-repair and install it. It will fix things for you.

>gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file was NOT verified!
What does this mean? It was an .asc file too.

>>57905859
FreeBSD users literally use Mac OSX as their daily driver and ssh into their freebsd machine. Go to any meeting of FreeBSD developers and they will be on a macbook. OpenBSD users use old thinkpads with OpenBSD installed always. That's the difference between the two userbases.

>>57906085
>>57906104
thx guys.

>>57906126
asking for the best is asking for subjective answers, therefore start an autistic competition on 4chan.

redpill is just a simple answer and also filter every shit software that should never be used like >>57906104 said.
But maybe it just comes from the subject.

>>57906708
use a better engcryption method

>>57905803
Why when you install a program on Linux it cretates a bunch of folders in the home folder, .config, usr, bin. On Windows it creates a folder in Program Files and that's it. It's much easier to manage programs that way.

>>57907213
In windows it creates registry files and AppLocale crap as well.

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>>57907213
>On Windows

>>57906572
I run boot - repair again, got an error at the end and when I reboot grub doesn't work.

Log:
http://paste2.org/Lfjbsthm

I saw this:

Reinstall the GRUB of sda5 into the MBR of sdb
Installing for i386-pc platform.
grub-install: warning: Attempting to install GRUB to a disk with multiple partition labels. This is not supported yet..
grub-install: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for cross-disk install.
grub-install /dev/sdb: exit code of grub-install /dev/sdb:1
lspci: Unable to load libkmod resources: error -12

Any thoughts?

What's the purpose of LTS kernel releases? They get updated A LOT. Since it gets updated so much, why not just use the main stable branch? It would take the same amount of maintenance.

Is it that the LTS kernels are less buggy? Or are they just meant for distributions? So that they can stay on the same kernel for the whole release and not disturb things too much?

>>57907213
But the actual installation of the program remains pure. Malware can mess with your config files but a second user can then start the program and it'll be brand spankin' new with no issues.

There's nothing to manage. You mean you want to change settings or something, well why wouldn't you want that information stored in your users directory instead of applying to the software itself?

Also, you make it sound worse than it is because the vast majority of the time it goes into standardized locations in your $HOME for everything.

Why would one use swm+wmutils rather than pure X/wmutils?

>>57907213
linux :
>binary file in /usr/bin
>global config files in /etc/program/program.conf
>user specific config file in ~/.program.conf or ~/.config/program.conf

eventually some software might use /usr/share/program for some specific files, documentation, config file examples etc.

Windows
>.exe and a lot of files in program files/program/
>use of registry files
>bunch of files in c:\users\username\appdata\local or roaming
>some software might also use "My documents" for some reason


Windows is a bit messy desu. With linux everything is where it should be.

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>>57905803
Hey /fglt/, long time Windows user here. I've had Ubuntu set up on a small mSATA for about a year that I've only rarely booted for a database class before going back to Windows 7. But I've been reading up on the basics and recently got Xubuntu up and running while learning about packages and the like, and unsuccessfully messed around with nvidia drivers trying to solve a screen tearing issue.

But I recently got a Thinkpad for cheap and about to install a 256gb SSD in it, and I'm thinking i could go cold turkey Linux on it and only run Windows software through WINE or a VM. Is there any advantage with going with ZorinOS or Minimal Ubuntu over base Ubuntu or Xubuntu?

I'm also trying to learn how to program and script without the aid of a massive IDE like Visual Studio or NetBeans, and have been compiling some small Java and C++ programs with the command line. Are there any recommended guides on setting up a Linux distro specifically for software and web development? Besides gaming that's the biggest reason I might want to go back to Windows since I'm comfortable with starting and finishing a project with the mishmash of tools.

>>57907489
Don't try to be a hipster. Use ubuntu jased flavor you like. It'll get you going quite far a most stuff just works. When you know how something is supposed to work, then start distro hopping

>>57907296
found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/716105/just-removed-system-reserved-drive-cant-boot-into-ubuntu-14-04-anymore

but after reading your logs, what the hell is going on with your partitions ?
your linux is on an extended partition right ? what are the sda2 and 3 then ? and what's in your second drive ?

>>57907489
>screen tearing
I know most people try to solve the problem by fucking around with gpu drivers, but usually this problem is simply solved with a compositor like compiz or compton.

>Distro
Go Ubuntu. You will learn that the distro doesn't matter, since you can customize literally everything on every distro. Specialized distros just have preinstalled programs.

>Programming
Get comfy with the terminal and write simple shell scripts; bash hackers wiki is pretty good. Also check the shell pasta from OPs copypasta collection.

You can start with an easy language like Python, but if you're serious, go C.

If you're to lazy to learn vim (learn the basic in 10 minutes by running vimtutor), just use literally any text editor, most lazy fags use nano, closet homosexuals use sublime text.

My 2 cents.

>>57907489
Also put this into your startup applications after instqllikg nvidia-current to fix screen tearing

nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="nvidia-auto-select +0+0 { ForceFullCompositionPipeline = On }"

Don't make the same mistake as I did. Install the package of nvidia drivers and NOT the .sh you get from their site

>>57907489
just go back to anime and video games or kill yourself.

it's too late for you.

>>57907735
Get the fuck out of my friendly thread, faggot.

>>57907757
wew

>>57907725
>nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="nvidia-auto-select +0+0 { ForceFullCompositionPipeline = On }"
I tried this and it didn't seem to work, unfortunately. Admittedly this was after moving to Xubuntu. I might try another distro since I'm not sold on its look and feel, or maybe go back to Ubuntu and try out something like cinnamon.

I probably made the same mistake you did, but I admit it was sort of fun booting into recovery command line to get things back to normal.

>>57907344
I think it's just a question of bugs.

With a stable kernel you'll have all the bug fixes and security fixes for your current version even if those bugs are corrected on a more recent release ; and you won't have the new functionalities that can include new bugs.

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Threadly annoying reminder:
- gnu+linux wallpepes
- gimps
- your content
Everything right here: >>>/wg/6767536

>>57905966
i am waiting for plan-10

Do we have any license gurus in here?

Sorry, I know I can google this but I've looked into licenses before and it's hard to know who to trust when reading interpretations and it's hard to understand the licenses themselves

Can I just ask if there are any licenses which basically just says that nobody is legally liable for anything. Companies can do whatever the fuck they want, and people can do whatever the fuck they are capable of doing with anything those companies distribute (including redistribution, recompiling, modifying, distributing modified versions, hacking binaries, etc..) and that's all there is to it?

Any licenses that are that simple? The BSD or apache licenses maybe?

>>57906249
thats pronounced GahNew/Leenux

>>57907886
Look into LGPL or if you want it extremly simple: WTFPL

>>57907886
BSD/MIT licenses fit that bill.

>>57907886
https://spdx.org/licenses/Beerware.html

>>57907489
distribution doesn't matter, it depends on what you are looking for.

>any recommended guides on setting up a Linux distro specifically for software and web development?
for C and C++ stuff, all you need is a text editor, a terminal emulator, gcc and valgrind.
if your software got a lot of files, and you want a good environment without wasting too much time learning and setting up something like vim, just use an IDE, it's not a bad thing in the end.
Personally I create a project directory, a src/ and header/ directory, use a custom makefile, and set up my IDE to use it. I still use the terminal as a tool because of valgrind, vim, grep, find, mv, etc.

for web dev, I don't think it matters. You can still ask in /wdg/

>>57907886
Reminder that "whatever the fuck they want" also means, taking your code and making it proprietary.

>>57907886
actually there is one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISC_license

But what about BSD though?
Oh, this isn't the friendly BSD thread, you say?
O.K., I'll just shut my ignorant, annoying BSD stupid shill mouth, and fuck off back under the rock I crawled out from under, and mind my own goddam pointless business that nobody else in the entire fucking world gives a fuck about, then.
Enjoy the rest of the thread, guys.

So, last time asking about Arch Linux I got, depending on my wording, two very different reactions: reasonable people saying its okay and very angry people screaming at it while not explaining their motives at all
I think its safe to assume these second people didnt know what they were talking about (they totally missed the point on why Arch is minimal, claiming it was for hipstery and smugness).
Monday I'm starting my adventure, wish me luck

>>57908041
That link says
>It is meant to be functionally equivalent to the simplified BSD and the MIT licenses, differing in its removal of language deemed unnecessary

So I guess if this fits the bill then so does the "simplified BSD" and MIT licenses

>>57907886
>>57908041
actually if you don't even care about licence notice you can but your software under the public domain.

>>57908132
But that doesn't remove legal liability and all that goodness, right?

>>57908125
good luck.

But arch linux maintainers actually stated that arch wasn't really about minimalism and that people misunderstand that fact.

Archlinux is just good for a few things :
>Comes with a small base system so you won't have too many shit already installed (I guess debian is somehow similar) + you actually know what is installed in your system
>package manager, AUR and rolling release are good stuff
>best wiki (that is useful whatever the distro)

There are some downside for sure, but compared to other distributions, I find it more than okay.

>>57908153
how that ?

>>57908205
What are the downsides?

>>57908230
Oh I wasn't implying it didn't, I was just asking.

Does it? I'd think that without any license then sure people can do whatever they want with your software, but wouldn't that also mean you're at the mercy of whatever batshit insane trends the legal system is following those days? Maybe someone has a seizure while using my software and then decides to sue me.

Wouldn't it be better to have one of those licenses like that one >>57908041
which basically lays out in clear terms that I'm not liable for any of that?

>>57908205
Yeah I'm going in mostly for the first one and rolling release

>>57908205
Arch was way better when it had the slackware style installer and used bsd style init scripts. It seemed to follow the KISS way back then, but they really have changed over the years and not for the better. Now for KISS distros we have only slackware and crux.

>>57908366
Arch with a de will give you a very nice ootb setup in all cases. I've tried many. Don't fall for the "Oh, Arch must be kept lightweight meme."
Arch does KDE or Gnome as good as anybody.

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>coworker showing me a lib he added to his project
>"oh cool, what license is it?"
>idk it doesn't matter
cryingstallman.ogg

Currently stuck on a netbook with XP for a while...
Intel Atom N280 1.66Ghz
1GB RAM
Mobile Intel 945 Express Chipset Family
I wanted to mostly use it to watch stuff with friends on Rabb.it, but with XP the audio is crackling too much.
What's a decent Linux distro i can boot from a 2GB USB stick that will allow me to use rabb.it decently?
I tried a PuppyLinux one a friend gave me, but it said it missed plugins and stuff when i tried going on rabb.it and trying to fix it was a failure

If you want openrc just install archbang.
Though your just a stupid cuck if you believe all that anti-systemd bs.

>>57908546
any sort of light install really.
Debian/Ubuntu netinstall, arch, etc.
just use a lightweight DE like xfce or lmde

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>>57908583
>light
>lightweight

Why is "GPL compliant" even a thing?
Like, fuck you i dont care what you think, thats why im not using your damn license

>>57908125
Arch for 9 years,xorg broke ONCE in the TESTING repo with version 1.8,which was then fixed in testing,and pushed to main repo with no problem.

99% of the problems are user error, not updating configs as programs progress(read what you are updating,pacman will tell you,read their changelog etc etc) or updating blindly

>>57907489

>not using an IDE for coding java

quick, what's the package for ArrayList<T>?

>>57907023
I want to boot OpenBSD on a laptop but it seems like nothing works well except Thinkpads and I refuse to give Lenovo money.

So what do?

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>>57908556
"SystemD is an init system"

>>57908546
>>57908583
Forgot to mention, i can't really instally anything on this netbook since it's not mine, so i was looking more for a specific live USB distro i can run on the go with zero need to tweak...
Also, no CD/DVD drive, so it needs to be a distro i can make a bootable USB with directly from XP.

>>57908264
no don't worry. But public domain is a bit messy because laws about it can differ from a country to another one.

For example, in my country there was an artist that made a movie some years ago. After decades, it fall under the public domain.
A second artist took this movie and added some effects to it and this modified movie was supposed to be displayed during a festival celebrating all the new works that felt under the public domain that year.
The children of the first artist forbid the second artist to display his modified version because even if the movie was under the public domain, the artist and his heirs keep a moral right on it and can forbid people to modify or distribute a modified version of the work


what if you create a software (let say an image viewer) and put it under the public domain or any open source licence. Then someone use your work to spy on the users, by adding a functionality that sends the picture to his computer with an id for each user. Can you actually forbid him to use your work in such a way ? I have read that moral rights are restrained for computer programs, but that still exist in some way.

I'm not a lawyer and I'll never have the answer here, but yeah, that is something interesting when you think about it


I think that you are fucked up whatever you try in the end because it's not "art", but laws are weird and anything can happen

>>57908682

"Do one thing and do it well" is a meme that never helped anyone kiddo

>>57908521
>not using this opportunity to talk about how great is the free software movement and why you should only use it
it's like you don't want to seems autistic in front of your coworker

>>57908739
It worked for well over 40 years perfectly fine

Why do i need a dns cache server in my init program?

can I use X forwarding as a replacement for TeamViewer?

>>57908665
java.util.*

Does anyone know why jackd only allows me to use one of my sound card's inputs? I want to use line-in at the same time as mic in but jackd only shows whatever's set to the first input source in alsamixer.

>>57909089
>>57909105
meh

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>>57907213

>>57909105
This one.

>>57907486
>Not using portable programs in windows as much as possible

>>57909105
Are you preparing to celebrate grav-mass?
https://www.stallman.org/grav-mass.html
https://stallman.org/video/rms_merry_grav-mass.ogv

>>57908752
>wanting to use the DNS server all the time

http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q4/592

>rekt

>>57909261
I like how they get defensive and then bitch and moan on how wrong they arent, when they are

>>57908665
I use Vim at work as my only sort-of IDE. Mostly for Java. No problem encountered.

>>57908776
heheheh

I compiled my own kernel and didn't make any mistakes! I feel so good.

>>57909690
why even do this?

>>57909715
Better GPU performance is one thing because the kernel is like a year newer and I use the open source driver. But mainly for fun.

>>57909747
nice

>>57909715
Adds 2 inches to your epeen

>>57909770
but my epeen is anomalous

>>57909770
>>57909783
*anonymoose

Since we were on the topic of licenses quite recently, is anyone able to justify the GPL requiring source code to be distributed with binaries?

I mean, it seems to me like distributing a binary is technically complete. All the information is there. The binary is the information your machine runs, people can technically still modify and redistribute binary code.

It's like you create a song and other people can create remixes adding in additional audio tracks.
But then the GPL by analogy is like saying those people must also release the unmixed versions of all the tracks they mixed in.

How do you justify that?

>>57910169
I can't read binary code. What if I want to change what it does? I can't because there's no source code. :(

>>57910195
Yeah I know that, but my point is there is no lack of freedom to do what you wish with the information being distributed, even if the information is only binary.
Our limitations might just be because we are humans with slow mushy brains that can't read the matrix, but what does that matter?
Someone releases a stream of 1's and 0's, and that's the information they've made publicly available. I can then do whatever the hell I want with that set of 1's and 0's as public information.

I don't see why they should be forced to also release their techniques for creating that stream of 1's and 0's

>>57910232
>forced

>>57910280
What's the alternative? Not releasing your stream of 1's and 0's at all, inhibiting the free flow of information?

>>57910232
What you're describing is proprietary software.

>>57910293
Not really. Proprietary is about ownership.
Who says releasing a binary means you're claiming ownership?

You're simply not releasing your instructions (that you give the compiler) you used to create the binary.
If you want to say then that it's "proprietary code" then I would still disagree because just not releasing something doesn't imply you think you own it

>>57910195

>I can't read binary code.
Decompile.

>What if I want to change what it does?
Recompile.

>I can't because there's no source code. :(
Pleb.

But in all seriousness, de/recompiling exists, so I'm not sure that I believe in being obliged to provide source along with a binary as part of a license agreement.

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>>57910344

>>57910360
Low quality post

>>57910344
Please stop posting.

>>57910169
>It's like you create a song and other people can create remixes adding in additional audio tracks.
That's not how people create remixes.
>But then the GPL by analogy is like saying those people must also release the unmixed versions of all the tracks they mixed in.
That's exactly what happens, whoever does remixes buys unmastered multitrack versions of the song and the related music sheets directly from the source(the record company of that song).

>>57910401
No need to get booty blasted.

As the other poster has commented, all of the information is contained within the binary, so for what purpose other than laziness should the source be provided? Where is the line drawn? Why am I not including the version of the compiler used with the binary in addition to the flags?

>>57910489
Right, and I'm also not saying that people should never release source code.

The fact that it happens to be done that way has nothing to do with this discussion.
It's the question of whether someone who made a song and doesn't feel like releasing all those additional materials should be forced to do so or not

What is systemD and why dont some like it

>>57910572
>The fact that it happens to be done that way has nothing to do with this discussion.
>makes a comparison
>gets corrected
>"that comparison has nothing to do with this"
stop posting

>>57910572
>It's the question of whether someone who made a song and doesn't feel like releasing all those additional materials should be forced to do so or not
Did they released under GPL license? then they decided so and ar eok with releasing the source
If they didn't want to release the source, they wouldnt release it under that license.
That's the basic of GPL.
And for the decompile/recompile discussion, if i am a developer and i want people to feel free to study and modify and redistribuite the code, i'll give them the code, there is no reason to not give it if i am the one deciding i want people to do whatever with it.
If i make a cake and tell you you can modify my recipe as you prefer, i'll give you my recipe, i won't tell you "find out what the ingredients were and then do whatever".

>>57910663
I am asking for a philosophical justification.

My understanding is the idea behind the the GNU project is basically the freedom of information and using it how you want.
What I don't understand is how to justify the tools being used to create information as being somehow tied to the information itself.

Just consider hypothetically for a second that human beings could easily read and modify binary code as easily as reading and modifying words in a book.
What logical purpose then would it serve to say they must also release a set of instructions which can be run through some other program to produce this binary?

What would happen if someone coded a program entirely in binary and tried to release it under the GPL?

https://linuxconfig.org/installation-of-steam-client-on-debian-jessie-8-linux-64bit

I'm following this tutorial to get steam to run on Debian and once I restart my computer it breaks Debian.

I'm really frustrated because I lost a lot of data, what am I doing wrong?

>>57910876

>once I restart my computer it breaks Debian.
You're going to need to post more information than that in order for anyone to come up with anything useful. What happens when you reboot? Does a screen come up? An error message? etc.

>I lost a lot of data
Depending on how important the data is, and how how much you've done to it since you've started, it might not be unrecoverable.

is pulse actually useful for anything?
I set it up a couple days ago after firefox killed my sound mid-session complaining about me not having it because that seemed the path of least resistance and now my sound glitches and stutters at the slightest cpu load and I'm about to gut it and try to get firefox working on alsa with libpulse again (which is purportedly possible, have any of you got this set up?)

>>57910902
The only error information I'm getting is a generic error boot message.

Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can't recover.

>>57910630
>why dont some like it
Mainly autism and hipster syndrome

Why is ZFS memed so hard when you constantly have to maintain it and can't use more than 80% of it without performance hits? Why even bother making a new filesystem if it's taking steps backwards like that?

>>57910630
>>57911315
It doesn't follow the unix way

Is Solus worth checking out even if it doesn't have a lot of packages?

My school is making me use linux, but I havent used it before.
Whats a good or easy distro that I can run on a VM?

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I've installed my OS like this

NAME   MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
sda      8:0    0 465.8G  0 disk 
├─sda1   8:1    0   255M  0 part /boot
├─sda2   8:2    0  29.3G  0 part /
├─sda3   8:3    0 432.5G  0 part /home
├─sda4   8:4    0     1K  0 part 
└─sda5   8:5    0   3.8G  0 part [SWAP]
sr0     11:0    1  1024M  0 rom  

And now I'd like to create a backup image to revert to in case I fucked up. or want to start a new slate.

What do I use if I want to create a backup image and have it on DVDs?

>>57911451
qemu puppy.

>>57911451
Ubuntu MATE

>>57910747
>What would happen if someone coded a program entirely in binary and tried to release it under the GPL?

I'd imagine they'd have to at least release the assembly version, since it's just a 1:1 mapping that's not that big of a deal.

>>57906065
Webtorrent desktop if you wanna try something new. Its still a bit rough around the edges, but still much better than anything else I've tried.

Does bios_grub need a special filesystem?
Does it have to be another partition than /boot?

>300MB, mounted at /boot with bios_grub flag
>installed successfully
>Grub loading
>_
>stuck

Wanted to switch from syslinux for once, now this shit happens.

>>57911886
>Does bios_grub need a special filesystem?
No, but ext2 is usually used because it doesn't need the journaling feature of ext3/4
>Does it have to be another partition than /boot?
Usually, but I think it might not if you're using EFI boot or something.

>>57911965
It is formatted as ext2, i have an UEFI capable board but prefer booting via bios method desu.

So what size should i make the standalone grub partition and which mountpoint?
/boot/grub ?

>>57911988
My usual partition scheme is:
300MB /boot
30GB /
REST /home

Like i said, usually using syslinux, but i want to automate things after kernel updates.

Is Xubuntu or Lubuntu ok on a Netbook(specs and info here >>57908546 ) to run it live(can't install on it)?
If so, any suggestion on which one of the two?

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>>57911461
Anyone?

>>57911988
>>57912023
Should be the very first one. So sda1 for grub, and 2MB is recommended (no mount point)
Then probably sda2 for boot (boot doesn't have to be a separate partition though if you don't want)

>>57912332
Just make sure you set the bootable flag on whatever partition contains boot though
and actually set the "bios_grub" flag on sda1

>>57911461
dd I guess. dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/iso

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Does anyone know which Openbox theme this is?

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>>57912347
1. Won't this create a 500GB ISO file?
2. Will it preserve the partition table?
3. How will it work if I want to create DVDs from it?
thanks for replying by the way.
I've looked for clonzilla but it doesn't allow to back up to a DVD.
Is there something similar to windows create system image?

>>57912409
A friend suggested to use rsync. I'm still getting into that program so I can say nothing about how to use it.

>>57912332
>>57912344
Thanks a bunch!
I'll try it.

After a lot of testing, I'm going to go with Linux Mint as my first distro because Cinnamon. Should I get 18 now, or wait until 18.1 comes out next month? Also, what update policy should I use? Is the "give me everything" option actually as dangerous as the Mint team wants me to believe?

So here's what I am facing. I am on Ubuntu and have been for quite some time now.

At first I was using the default open source drivers provided to me by Ubuntu itself, but then, in an attempt to fix the tearing that was going on with my second monitor (Which is a sub-1080p VGA monitor that I have hooked up to my GPU, an R9 380, into the DVI-I port using a VGA to DVI-I adapter, this is all relevant for later) I installed some Gallium drivers, which I have been using ever since.

Now today, with the release of the new 16.50 Linux driver for AMD, I figured I'd give that a shot. I installed it and for some reason my second monitor was black. I did xrandr --query and found out that my DVI-I-1 port is now considered a DVI-D port, so it changed to DVI-D-1, for whatever reason. And if I'm not mistaken, DVI-D is digital signal.

Is there a fix to this? Or should I concede defeat and go grab a DVI-D or DisplayPort to VGA converter and call it a day? Would that even work?

>>57912443
I think half of new stuff in Mint 18.1 is basically Cinnamon 3.2, which you can install on 18 without a problem (at least for me). The "give me everything" option should be fine, just don't be too surprised if something breaks (which doesn't only happen in Mint, by the way)

>>57907703
Oh thanks man. I had tried with the flags but did it wrong, because i put the 'boot' flag on the linux main partition instead of the extended one. It works now :DDD

I can't believe it was something so simple, I had reinstalled grub like a million times already. I thought that linux didn't care about the partition flags???

Thanks a lot man! Also to the other guys that posted.

And yeah, my partitions are weird i know xdd sda2 and 3 were for data/backup and for a possible new windows partition i may install. I don't wanna mess with partitions after this, I'll just wipe the hdd clean the next time i install a new distro. The other drive was just the live ubuntu usb i was using to fix stuff.

>>57912443
https://lwn.net/Articles/676664/

>>57912332
>>57912344

I finally can boot into my OS, thank you again, mate!

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>>57912436
>rsync
That's useful if I want to create a regular backup of data, like documents and similar stuff.
What I want is a disk image, with all the applications and configurations.

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Seems like I might have finally figured out what was causing file corruption upon copying. This is a culprit, right?

Is there a way to make it ignore the bad RAM sectors? I'm gonna search the internet in the meantime.

>>57912529
>First of all, they don't issue any Security Advisories
This is false.
>FrankenDebian
Was only true for LMDE 1, which is deprecated.
>With the result, that the Mint developers simply decided to blacklist certain packages from upgrades by default thus putting their users at risk because important security updates may not be installed.
They don't blacklist anything "by default". On your first bootup they ask you for what you want your update policy to be.
>mdm
Legit concern, but it isn't an issue that the vast majority of mint users will encounter.
>xedit
xedit got renamed to xed. No longer true.
>copyright and license issues
I don't know what this is about exactly, but all of the ISOs have OpenJDK Java runtime but none of them have Oracle Java runtime.

>>57912585
This can be done, it's called BadRAM. Well, assuming the failing addresses are consistent and not too numerous.

It's still a band-aid, you should really be figuring out how to replace the defective RAM.

> finish bandit
> can't play natas because pc won't connect
> leviathan requires prior knowledge of exploits and gives no hints
Are there any other good wargames? Krypton seems fun.

>>57912550
No problem. I tried about 4 times myself about a month ago trying to get it to work so just sharing what I learned

>>57912585
How long did it take to figure this out?

>>57912604

I'm just testing it with memtest86+ and it appears to be just a small range around the 1700M—1705M mark. I looked up BadRAM, but also found this:

http://gquigs.blogspot.ba/2009/01/bad-memory-howto.html

It seems easier than BadRAM, which apparently needs special kernel configuration. Have you any experience with this?

>>57912659

Since I was an idiot who didn't go for the most obvious thing, hardware issues, it took me days of transferring files from different computers via various ways trying to narrow down the reason.
A simple memtest would have solved it in 3 seconds.

>>57912774
Doesn't corrupted files on copy means failing HDD?
What issues you had?

>>57912586
>They don't blacklist anything "by default"
https://github.com/linuxmint/mintupdate/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintUpdate/rules

>>57912802

File hash mismatches upon copying. I am going to test this first and see if it persists.

Regarding this >>57912774, apparently memmap is the way to go nowadays.
Just thinking about all of the corrupted data I might have now is giving me a headache.

>>57912607
Did you finish the last level without cheating?

How can I get rid of screen tearing?
Currently using ubuntu but I've had this issue with every distro with nvidia drivers? I have a GTX 1070 but it happened before with my 750 ti as well

>>57912834
install compton

>>57912834

The solution is one internet search away. Hint, you don't have to use Compton with proprietary drivers. There's a driver option to disable it.

ForceCompositionPipeline = On

>>57912837
I have it doesn't seem to be as bad but still get it when watching video and dragging windows

>>57912845
Try this: compton --backend glx --paint-on-overlay --vsync opengl-swc

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>>57912825
Nope. What you posted isn't a blacklist, idiot.

>>57912853
thanks m8 that seemed to help

>>57912831
No, that one was too obscure for a noob like me. I tried for like 4 hours though.

>>57912860
he literally posted a list of programs which get updates (2-3) and programs which are considered dangerous and turned off (4-5)

stop protecting your shitty distro

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>>57912860
Topkek, Mint devs try to hide their faggotry now?
Pic related is what the updater looked like before.

>>57912860
>>57912925
When you need to choose between stability and security there's something fundamentally going wrong in development desu.

>>57912911
Are you retarded? The option he selected in that screenshot gives you EVERYTHING, including the level 4-5 updates. Even the second option shows you them, but leaves them unchecked by default - at which point you can check them to get them.

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>>57912925
>Pic related is what the updater looked like before.
That's how it looks in preferences.
>>57912911
Those are the classifications for the levels, and it asks you what you want your update policy to be when you first boot up the OS after installation.

Updates have broken shit before, and not only in Mint. Shit may have always worked for you, but that's literally a "works on my machine" response.

>>57912938
you do that all the fucking time.
newer and untested packages will be more unstable by definition
you can't change this by using another distro

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>>57912945
By the way, in case you got any ideas, that "Blacklisted packages" in the screenshot is empty by default.

>>57912945
How can stable updates coming from stable Ubuntu LTS be "dangerous"? I tell you: badly hacked together distro.

>>57912945
>>57912972
>Arc
is there a better 'dark' theme, yet?

Using bluetooth on my laptop causes wifi speeds to drop to single digits kb/s in kubuntu.

Why is it like this with POO/linux. No matter the distro shit breaks or doesn't work constantly. The "advanced" distros are pretty much the ones that break the most so you need to be more proficient to use (fix) them. How does microsoft makes an OS that fucking werks and the einsteins behind linux can't do it?

>>57911461
>├─sda4 8:4 0 1K 0 part
>└─sda5 8:5 0 3.8G 0 part [SWAP]
why not just use sda4 as swap directly ? that's weird.

>>57912975
"Dangerous" to be fair might be an exaggeration but not everyone has the same hardware so not everyone has the same problems.

>>57911511
>>57911471
What are the arguments for either?

>>57912979

Adwaita with the global dark setting.

>>57912979
Breeze dark

>>57912993
Because I messed up when partitioning the HDD, I've should have put the SWAP in the beginning.
So I've set sda4 as extended partition with sda5 as SWAP.
Which sometimes I use as testing area.

>>57912975
Dangerous for normies who the distro is mainly aimed towards.

>>57913010
i loathe breeze's logout prompt, can't see shit on it

>>57912999
qemu pupp comes in all in one package.
No need to set up a VM or anything.
Just run it.
Very light on resources, and gets you to know linux more very useful if you want to learn how to compile stuff as well.

>>57913046
there isn't much to see there, it's just 4 buttons on the newer version.

>>57908706
Use LiLi to make the live usb and just pick one of the buntu flavors depending on which DE you like and be done with it.

what is the best distro for gaming

>>57913049
What about ubuntu? Im new to linux in general, but I want to learn to use it and to program with it
Resources shouldnt be a problem, I have 16gb of ram

>>57913093
there is no such thing. People often says ubuntu because it is the one officially supported by steam but that's bullshit. Some people prefer a rolling release to get the latest updates both in kernel and drivers.
Personally in some games I saw my performances increase a lot this year with the amd free drivers on archlinux, but using another rolling distro might give you the same result.

>>57913102
What kind of school you go to?
Try debian then.

>>57913093
ReactOS.

>>57913137
IT uni, its in europe, so I dont know what the exact typing is in english

>>57913153
In USA we bring our own machines.

>>57913102
Almost any distro out here will have most of the things you need set up. Most of them already have a C compiler ready to go etc.
Ubuntu MATE is a pretty solid choice for a beginner.
>>57913173
Doesn't he just want to run it at home too to learn it a little better?

>>57913153
You can use whatever you want that isn't mint.
Some people might tell you to not use ubuntu, it's up to you to listen to them or not. But it's always difficult for a noob to understand the differences between distributions, so it doesn't really matter for you.

Best thing to do is try a distro for some time, try another one, another one until you figure out the good one for you.

>>57913153
ubuntu>mint>debian>fedora>opensuse>arch>gentoo>slackware>puppy>LFS

>>57913153
see >>57913234

>>57913234
>mint
>>>/out/

>>57913282
Do you really want to start this shit twice in one thread?

>>57913234
>>57913290
see >>57912529

and then laugh at this guy >>57912586
trying to defend mint despite being clueless about the subject.

There is nothing to start. Mint devs are not to be trusted, that's it.

#57913282
>>>/r/eddit

>>57913290
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/why-the-linux-mint-hack-is-an-indicator-of-a-larger-problem/

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>>57913339
epic article
i too am anti mint after seeing this image....
dont want him to Hack into anyones computer!

>>57913328
I don't see a counterargument in your post against that anon's post.

>*** Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread. ***

>>57913372
>counterargument
mint doesn't use the command line
its shit!

>>57913372
no point arguing with people like you. You'll just answer stupidly like >>57913354 or >>57913332

If you want to use a shit distribution like mint, with obvious flaws, yeah go for it, but stop recommending it.

>>57913389
yeah no point in even arguing!! everyone knows were rightalready! mint is shit man
it doesnt use the command line like my arch!

>>57913389
>can't offer a single counterargument
>no point arguing with people like you
Who would've thought

>>57913389
Quit being a sperg in every GNU/Linux because people like a distro you don't like. I could say every distro has obvious flaws.

>>57906104
why?

>>57913430
He's just your standard freetard who will find fake reasons to hate on a distro which provides non-free software out of the box. He doesn't care if it's good for some people if it disagrees with his political ideology.

>>57913389
>If you want to use a shit distribution like mint, with obvious flaws, yeah go for it, but stop recommending it.
this

>>57913451
feel free to offer a single counterargument before making such low quality posts
but we both know you aren't capable of that so keep on shitposting

>>57913411
>>57913354
>>57913430
>>57913446

>two guys post two articles explaining in various point some issues with mint and why mint devs are not to be trusted
>some guy on the internet say "this is false"
>uh no one did a counter argument I'm right

Let me explain you one or two things. Those articles are actually based on facts. This guy didn't made any arguments in the first place, there's nothing to counter. He just said "this is false, this is not true, this isn't an issue" without proving any of his point.

How do I uninstall amdgpu?

I uninstalled xf86-video-amdgpu, and installed xf86-video-intel.

That didn't work. I tried uninstalling some mesa stuff but I got lost of things depending on it, and it said on the wiki that intel uses it too.

I tried reinstall linux because I know amdgpu has some stuff in the kernel either, but that didn't work.

What do?

Also, I'm uninstalling it because I want to try gpu passthrough as my linux performance is pretty shitty compared to windows. Does kms/qemu support having multiple drives, one on ssd and one on hdd?

>>57913466
Using arch by the way

>>57913388
lol

>>57913471
>breaking news

>>57913464
I'm using arch if it matters

>>57913487
wut

>>57913464
What did you want, then? Screenshots proving each of his points? Because anyone can load up a live USB right now and see what happens the first time you open the Update Manager or the use of "xed" instead of "xedit" on the system.

>>57913501
how to install mdm on mint?

>>57913077
"can't see shit" as in "grey font on dark grey background was the worst idea ever"

>>57913506
He conceded that point, retard. It IS true that Mint Display Manager overlaps with mdm. Whether that matters to you or not depends on whether or not you want mdm.

Idk about you guys but I just like a more True Linux experience with arch.
Mint is just shit... I like being able to use the command prompt for most of my activities

>>57913533
>>57913533
lel, first the freetard strawman, then the arch/commandline strawman, do you srsly think we're stupid, nigger

>>57913522
Just use a distro that isn't broken by design.

>>57913542
I indeed do love the hardcore Linux experience arch provides
The command prompt is a superior tool. Maybe the mint babies just can't understand this

>>57913554
this. Use Arch
it's just so much better. it is truly what the Linux devs intended

>>57913464
How do we define "isn't broken by design"?

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>>57913560
>hardcore Linux

>>57913592
meant for
>>57913554

>>57913593
lol
cry more, noobuntu/mint kid
arch provides you with more direct control over your system
yes, you have to use the more hardcore command prompt for that but you still get more control

>>57913600
Ah, you're right. I forgot that the command prompt doesn't exist in Mint.

>>57913619
lel
it doesn't give you the much desired control
it gives you the option to use the GUI so you don't have to learn the hardcore command prompt
You'll never learn to be proficient in Linux if you don't use it

Opinions about Void Linux?

>>57913644
meh. it doesn't give you the full power over your system with the AUR

>>57913627
Sorry, I'm trying to wrap my head around the fact that this is a post that a human being actually wrote.
...Okay, I'm ready to counter it now.
>it gives you the option to use the GUI so you don't have to learn the hardcore command prompt
I take it that you hate any distro that ships with a DE, then. Mint doesn't remove the power of the command prompt - if you want to, you can still learn and use it. And if you don't want to, you don't have to. Not everyone cares about being "hardcore" or "proficient in Linux." Some people just want a distro that's easy to use. Arch is for the dedicated people who want to eat, sleep, and breathe Linux. There's nothing wrong with wanting something that's easy to use if you don't care about learning how things work under the hood.

>>57913683
No. You can't since it gives you GUI options
being thrown into a hostile environment like Arch forces you to become more hardcore and learn the command prompt
Why even use Linux if you don't want to feel the true linux experience which is the command prompt?

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>>57913683
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>57913719
maybe for you it's so hard to use the command prompt but there are people willing to actually learn that.
The amount of control it gives you is incredible!

>>57913703
>No. You can't since it gives you GUI options
I'm not sure what you mean by this. The presence of GUI options somehow makes it physically impossible to learn how to use the command prompt? I guess that means I never actually learned that the pipe character directs the output of the first command into the input of the second command.
>Why even use Linux if you don't want to feel the true linux experience which is the command prompt?
Reviving a relative's ancient computer, escaping the Win10 botnet, et cetera et cetera. Quit being a retard.

>>57913719
I know, but I'm so bored I can't resist.

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>>57913683
>Arch is for the dedicated people who want to eat, sleep, and breathe Linux.

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>>57913709
Thanks Dr. Stallman

>>57913756
Yes, just like training wheels make it physically impossible for you resist the urge of using them
>pipe character
they are actually called a bitwise 'or' operator. but there's no way you would know since you don't use the command prompt as often and as efficiently as I do.
>Reviving a relative's ancient computer,
Windows XP
>escaping the Win10 botnet
pre-telemetry windows 7
Both are better options if you don't care about learning the true nature of Linux
>Quit being a retard.
I'm not the ubuntu baby here though

>>57913782
>he thinks only windows 10 is botnet
top cringe

>>57913796
>he doesn't know the difference between a botnet and a backdoor
"top cringe" as we say on reddit

>>57913807
>implying you can't remote control by using a backdoor
learn2tech

>>57913817
>implying remote control and botnet are somehow the same
"learn2tech" as we say on reddit

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>>57913782
>>escaping the Win10 botnet
>pre-telemetry windows 7
Friendly reminder.

>>57913826
you won, I give up

>>57913850
see >>57913807
you can't possibly be botneted by microsoft if you are using a cracked win7 which is unconnected to microsoft
you definitely have an unknown amount of backdoors but we weren't talking about that

>>57913850
>win10 = win7
10 and 7 were different numbers last time I checked

>>57913876
>>57913910
Not sure if bait or seriously stupid.
Either way: kys

>>57913782
>Yes, just like training wheels make it physically impossible for you resist the urge of using them
After I outgrew the need for training wheels, my family never threw them away. They ended up staying in the garage.
And yet, somehow, I rode my bike without them.
>they are actually called a bitwise 'or' operator
Yes, well done. That is certainly one function of the pipe character.
>>Reviving a relative's ancient computer,
>Windows XP
>>escaping the Win10 botnet
>pre-telemetry windows 7
>Both are better options if you don't care about learning the true nature of Linux
The question wasn't about what trolls think the best option is. The question was about why people use Linux. And the fact is that people - a lot of people - use Linux for those reasons. It's only natural that distros would ship with GUI "training wheels" to accommodate those people. You aren't a better person than them just because you know what fstab is and they don't.
But hey, what do I know? I'm just an "ubuntu baby." Go install Gentoo so you can raise your power level and be more "hardcore."
I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, so this is the last post I'll dedicate to you.

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>>57913782
>recommending malware

>>57913936
Not sure if bait or you seriously thing a botnet and a backdoor is the same thing.
Either way: kys

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I'm on Ubuntu 16.10 and want to use my PS3 controller with PCSX2, but PCSX2 isn't detecting any button inputs despite detecting the controller, pic related.

this regex thing isn't too hard lads

>>57913955
So why are you still using noobuntu?
Keep it in your garage by moving it to a different hard drive and install Arch.
>You aren't a better person than them just because you know what fstab is and they don't.
I actually am. I'm smarter than them which transitively makes me better than them. I'm sure you would agree a smart person is better than a stupid one.
>But hey, what do I know? I'm just an "ubuntu baby."
Wrong. You are a noobuntu baby. kek
>Go install Gentoo so you can raise your power level and be more "hardcore."
Arch is already the hardcorest of the hardcore. Gentoo is nowhere near the true Linux experience which is Arch
>I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, so this is the last post I'll dedicate to you.
Yeah, you probably wouldn't be able to handle any more of your noobuntu baby reality shattering before your eyes
>>57914102
I just don't want him shitting up the Linux community with his noob presence
all noobuntu users should just move to windows

>>57914377
>I'm on Noobuntu 16.10
Found your problem heh
Here's what you need https://www.archlinux.org/

>>57914386
Regular expressions are magic.
They really are ridiculously useful once you learn how to write them, from one-liners to shell scripts to "proper" programs.

>>57914426
No need for the proper there

Yeah, hi, its me, >>57912443.
Sorry for igniting this whole thing and bringing the Archfag troll out of hiding. Does anyone know how dangerous it actually is to receive all updates on Mint, or is the jury still out? Ubuntu works just fine with all updates, so I'm wondering if that means the Mint devs are just hyper-cautious.

>>57914408
I've dabbled in regular expressions before, but I have a hard time coming up with stuff to use them for. What kinds of things are regular expressions useful for? How do people use them to improve their productivity?

>>57914462
I use regex daily for renaming files.

>>57914462
Just wanted you to know this:
I hate you and your family.
Fuck off from here or start using Arch.
Or even better fuck off to Windows if you want a cute GUI for every single interaction with the OS

>>57914462
>What kinds of things are regular expressions useful for?
Extracting useful information out of filenames.

>>57914502
You are autistic as fuck, and I use arch, fuck off

>>57914502
(You)

>>57914511
You don't, fucking prove it. You wouldn't support noobs like him entering our community if you were really using it.
>>57914521
(You)

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>>57914545
autism....

next you're going to say I faked my neofetch

>>57914554
lmao sure, write something else on the screen so i know it isn't fake

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>>57914568
called it...

Made a new thread: >>57914562

>>57914580
The bump limit is 310, you fucking idiot.

>>57914578
Nice alias bro.
Show me a webm your bashrc so i know this is the real neofetch command
or did you just install it bypassing the true Arch Way? fucking noob

>>57914554
>>57914578
>neofetch
Is screenfetch not cool enough anymore?

>>57914607
noobs get boners because it draws frambuffer pictures
>dodge.png

>>57914607
Well, it's fine for noobuntu scrubs like you

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>>57914592
yeah arch is so fucking hard to install

I don't know why I wasted so much time doing this

>>57914607
I just prefer its output slightly, screenfetch is pretty good too

>>57914636
nice antergos or whatever the fuck it's called.
Can't fool me.
Stupid noob.

>>57914636
>aliasing sleep
holy crap

Hi /fglt/, give me one or more reason not to slap centos on my old thinkpad.

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>>57914683
fr*cking epic dude

I don't even know what is different about antergos aside from it installs itself so idk how to prove you wrong.

>>57914687
I use it a lot

>>57914709
it counts as a different distro
do screenfetch -D antergos
(uninstall neofetch since fucking noobs like you shouldn't use it)
and please don't install zsh, we don't need scrubs like you using it

>>57914636
breh, set a higher bitrate value in that screencap program

>>57914779
Yeah I didn't bother configuring it at all cause I just wanted to prove that autist wrong

>>57914739
You are so fucking autistic, you really think someone would go through all that effort to pretend to be running arch, pro tip, no-one except autists on /g/ care what distro you use

So, arch or ubuntu for a beginner? I have very low previous knowledge with computers, but want to learn

>>57914998
>I have very low previous knowledge with computers
you should probably sample ubuntu first

Is opensuse tumbleweed a good distro?

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>>57912366
looks like plain ol' clearlooks (typically comes with it) with NLIMC button layout (windows-like)

>>57914998
install gentoo

>>57914998
see >>57916102

>>57916195
see >>57914998

>>57916217
just did
how would i reply without seeing it?
see >>57916195 and >>57914998

>>57916236
see >>57916217

>>57916250
>
what manner of retardation is this?
see
>>57916250
>>57916236

>>57916265
see >>57916250 and >>57916217 then >>57914998 again

>>57916265
rip fuckboi

>>57916424
what thee hell? i dont wanna die