Qualcomm Snapdragon Chips will support Windows 10 starting next year

If they pull another RT...

>>57893689
they literally can't with this. it's a full Windows 10 experience. they're emulating x86 so you can run all your normal programs.

RT failed because it didn't have that ability.

>>57893745
>RT failed because it didn't have any ability.
ftfy

RT was shit

>>57893674
Its not X86 Windows, its a special ARM compiled build. If you've paid any attention at all to Qualcomm you'd know that they've listed their Adreno GPU IP as being DirectX compatible for years.
Its not taking off, theres no demand for it.

>>57893768
are you going to explain why it was shit other than lack of x86 compatibility?

>>57893674

No one wants windows 10

>>57893794
you basically could only run windows """apps"""

>>57893818
yeah... and that's because it lacked x86 emulation.

RT would've been fine if it could run everyone's favorite autism gaymes, and run Adobe suite.

MS posted a video of Windows 10 on SD820 running Photoshop and some (possibly x86) game.

>>57893674

OP, at least use the original source and link the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GlGglbu1U

And also, the entire world is post Windows. Where Windows dominates, ARM can't compete at all. Getting ARM to run Windows 10 without any real big downsides unlike Windows RT is a piece of the puzzle but ARM doesn't have a design that can compete on computing power with x86-64. I am willing to bet the

Yes, you can probably sell a digital artist an ARM Windows computer on this with Photoshop but to gain any reasonable foothold ARM has to get server and power users too so more serious applications going forward can be run on both ISAs but there just isn't an incentive with no high computing power design from ARM.

The only way it's going to happen is if Qualcomm gives these things out for super cheap and in Chromebook range. I doubt it can beat any of the i3 Y processors even though they have 2 cores and HT.

>>57893915

*I am willing to bet the fact that they only showed Photoshop and not something like AutoCAD means this thing is not anywhere near ready for any serious applications.

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>Yes, you can probably sell a digital artist an ARM Windows computer on this with Photoshop

Reminded me of this thing which is suppose to come out one day. It's going to run a rockchip ARM processor.

>>57894019 Meant for this comment >>57893915

>can't run x86 programs at native speed
DOA
O
A

>>57893674
are we going to get high end laptop TDP ARM chips for this?

>>57893674
>laptop
>qualcomm or mediatek flagship SoC
>12 inch 1080p
>50wh battery or bigger
How long until my dream becomes a reality?

>>57894095
an SD821 on a laptop battery would last for days, with the screen being the biggest power draw

>>57894019
>>57894035

The main problem is that serious applications that isn't development or servers are the only things left in this potential ARM Windows 10 world.

All the people who only needed a web browser or a word processor have already pretty much switched if they can. And the market still left after that is way too small IMO.

Good luck telling all the engineers, artists and accountants that they don't need Intel anymore.

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>>57894127
12 inch AMOLED

>>57893745
>emulating x86
Failure.

>>57893846
>emulating an architecture
>expecting a good performance

>>57894217
Windows 10 and 7 already emulate x86

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_on_Windows
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WoW64

>>57894241
I don't care. Emulation is dogshit. Call me when literally anyone else supports ARM.

>>57894266
Hey, anon, virtually anyone supports ARM, Linux, Windows, you name it.

It only took a couple of years for x86 to btfo PowerPC on Macs with shitty emulation as a means of transitioning.

Does this mean Intel is at risk of getting completely BTFO for everything except gaymen and pro software as users can run all their Windows normieware on cheap ARM PCs?

>>57893745
>they're emulating x86
Now I'm laffin. I always wanted the QEMU experience with a shitty ARM processor.

>>57894319
Worse. ARM has been making incredible progress lately. A SD821 is roughly on par with an xbox 360 in performance.

Imagine an ARM SoC without the thermal and power limitations of a smartphone, in a laptop. I fail to see why you wouldn't be able to play modern games on an 8 core ARM laptop (not big.little) with vulkan if provided with a decent enough GPU.

Fuck it, even a dual Snapdragon laptop would be usable if the iGPUs could handle multiGPU on a 768p or 1080p screen.

>>57893745
Sauce? No fucking way they're doing x86 emulation.
>First line
>Qualcomm has teamed up with Windows to provide a way to run Windows 10 x86 (32-bit) on ARM-architecture processors
Fuck me dead
>>57893794
As someone who bought an RT on day one, it was fun and having office made it stand out, but it was locked to signed metro apps only.
Getting anything running on it was aking to jailbreaking an iPhone, and it could only run open source apps recompiled for ARM.
>>57893846
>and that's because it lacked x86 emulation.
No. Once jailbroken it could run anything recompiled, and some things in pure .net

>>57894266
Every other major OS supports ARM.

>>57894358

>Roughly 2006 mid-tier performance comparable to a last generation console.

So it's in the territory of good enough for casual users who have already all migrated to tablets, smartphones and Chromebooks. Yeah, good luck attracting the users above them who uses Windows on a more serious level and where ARM doesn't have an immediate answer to an i3.

>Qualcomm debuts sample of 10-nanometer ARM server chip with 48 cores
https://twitter.com/venturebeat/status/806476141108281344

MS is making moves.

>>57893745
>emulating x86
Now let's see some performance benchmarks.

>>57894394
>Once jailbroken it could run anything recompiled
that doesn't mean shit

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>>57893674
>Windows finally moves from x86
>it's still x86
Jesus

>>57894577
>it's still x86
It's not.

>>57893775
well yeah, thats what windows mobile uses

>>57894623
Oh is it like Mac OS X and Rosetta?

>Intel pulls out of mobile x86 processors leaving Microsoft in the rain
>Microsoft teams up with the next best thing to get their gigantic lib of x86 programs on their smart phones
where were you when Microsoft won?

>>57894723

>The Fellowship of the Phone
>The Two Towers (Android and Apple)
>Return of the King

Onwards to part 3 bois.

>>57893745
>emulating
I hope not

>>57893674
>tfw when my Surface RT will never receive this update

>>57893674
IT IS NOT HTE HARDWARE WHICH SUPPORTS OS, BUT OS AND SOFTWARE THAT SUPPORT HARDWARE, NORMIE FAGGOT RRRRRREEEEEEEEE

>>57893818
You could run any win32 software signed by MS. Event Viewer, Task Manager, Notepad, Paint, Explorer, Office 2013. Thing is, they didn't allow to run non-signed applications.
>>57895762
This is the worst part desu.

Linux is finished

This is to make way for the surface phone

you will have to pry x86 out of my cold dead hands i need games there is literally nothing else to do with my time

>>57893775
>If you've paid any attention

You are asking the impossible from ARM shills m'lord.

>>57894042
this, a million times. Legacy win32 programs, video games and other win32 exclusive programs keep windows alive. If your device cannot run it, might aswell go android.

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>>57894358
>Imagine an ARM SoC without the thermal and power limitations of a smartphone, in a laptop. I fail to see why you wouldn't be able to play modern games on an 8 core ARM laptop (not big.little) with vulkan if provided with a decent enough GPU.
Noice

Are there plans to put these arm socs in laptops with dedicated GPUs?

could be a good combo

>mfw inthell will die in my lifetime
finally thank fuck they deserve to burn after what they did to AMD and ATi and PowerPC

There's one liiitle problem. They can demand to lock a bootloader on those devices, as they're ARM. No Linux tablets for you, /g/ents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GlGglbu1U

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>>57894358

Laptops still have thermal and power limitations. Now let me tell you why ARM is go-to on devices like phones, but exotic on everything else.

The ARM architecture isn't nearly as powerful as something that uses µops and out-of-order-execution like x86_64. You need a lot more clock cycles to get the same stuff done.

Not only that, but ARM power management is a complete mess: they can not and will not scale linearly. They either consume little power and go slow, or they go "fast" and burn considerably more energy than a comparable Intel chip.

ARM is not a panacea. I'm honestly confused as to why so many anons on /g/ believe it's a solution to anything.

>>57896374
>finally thank fuck they deserve to burn after what they did to AMD and ATi and PowerPC

What did they do? Heavily invest in research as to develop a superior product that eventually pushed companies that were fucking up (lol AMD K9) out of the market?