The 480 is now overall faster than the 1060, especially in D

>>57872268
>especially in DX12/Vulkan

There isn't a single video about the 480 without this exact phrase. It's the Hail Mary of Pajeets.

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>>57872290
But it's true though

>>57872333
>medium settings, no AA
>48 FPS

Better than the 1060 but still shit performance.

>>57872413
The game is a massive pile of shit ya, I don't remember why it runs so terribly for everyone

>>57872268
I just bought the 1060 because AMD sucks fucking shit at Arma performance

>>57872447
Isn't ARMA mostly CPU bound?

Looks like it has really good crossfire scaling from the test here, you could have slapped a cheap RX 470 in your PC down the line

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Nope because I got a 1070 and managed to snag a brand new 1440p 144hz G-Sync monitor for $320

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>>57872512
forgot my image

>>57872546
That's almost what at least one free-sync display is normally priced at, the Pixio display dropped to $350 during black friday

>>57872566
>1680x1050

>>57872413
So you agree 1060 is worse than shit performance

>>57872633
>it's only slightly less bad than utter shit
>pls buy

Pajeets everyone

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>>57872566
Further validating my purchase. thank you anon

Buy a GTX 1060 if you like playing *OLD* games.

>>57872702
So 1060 is subjeet?

>>57872702
>it's better, pls buy

>>57872546
>>57872566
Wait was that display TN? because the Pixio free-sync display is IPS

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>>57872333
Now show the benchmarks of the DirectX 11 version you faggot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PK55-kCviA

>>57872604
A truly superior resolution. 16:10 Master Race

>>57872268
Isn't this because he is now using a not trotting aftermarket RX480?

>>57872333
Quantum Break is a bad example, the DX11 version runs better than the DX12 version on Nvidia cards, while on AMD hardware DX11 runs the same as DX12(no gains whatsoever with DX12 on AMD hardware compared to the DX11 renderer)

>>57872290
it's better at both

it's a better GPU, point

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>>57872804
I should also mention that the RX 480's Quantum Break performance in DirectX 11 and 12 is identical.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-quantum-break-on-dx11-is-better-than-dx12

>>57872566
Yes but when comparing GPUs you can lose 20-30 frames with an equal cost AMD

>>57873189
...In arma 3? are there any more modern benchmarks?

>>57872268
But the 1060 is still the better value option outside of America.

>>57872268
>1060
1070 is the standart. No one even considers buying subpar trash like1060

>>57873328
You don't seem to be too big on standards yourself there.

>>57873364
Shut it pajeet

>>57872268
>deuce ex

>>57873328
until vega also destroys that :^)

>>57873328
loling @ you

>>57872566
No doubt they got those framerates standing in an open field with nothing going on.

why did they use a different system, slightly different set of games, and change the settings in games they reused? it's honestly shady as fuck that anyone would try to draw comparisons from an apple to oranges test like that.

Inb4 that one tripfag that shills for nVidia shows up to damage control.

>>57873422
>loling
>>>/out/ >>>/v/

I want to set up a mass list of people with different setups and how they benchmark in different applications and games.

What's the best way to do this? Either there's one editor who gets emailed by different people, some kind of open excel document or someone writes a simple web page to handle input and have them submit their stats, maybe display those statistics in graphs and tables. I could host the webpage for short intervals without a DNS or we could figure out a way to make it distributed?

>>57874220
If you set it up with 4chan users some fuckers would make a scripted botnet to corrupt the data massively towards Nvidia so don't bother.

how long has AMD been on the good side?

Because back in the day people said they were "good" then i buy something and it turns out to be shit and janky.

Even when nvidia's not great, it never seems to be as bad as AMD's lowest

>>57872268
I have a 1060 and love it. U needed shadowplay and majority of my games are dx11 and opengl. The 1060 is basically a drop in 980 with better features.

>>57874414
AMD has GDVR and Plays.tv for GPU accelerated recording

You have to abandon your freedom to use Geforce Experience

>Tested with newest cpu and ddram 4 with the combined price costing twice as much as the gpu itself.

Well too bad those benches never actually work in reality cuz of driver overhe...

>Look at the dirty smelly Pajeet at the end of video.

Oh of course another super objective AMD shill. Why do I even bother responding.

>>57874453
and it has GSOD :^)

>>57874467
Actually you know what? Cross that. This cpu costs 4 times more than the GPU. And I mean an used one on ebay.

>>57874453
>You have to abandon your freedom to use Geforce Experience
Which you already lost if you want to use DirectX 12

I have a gayman PC with novidia with windows 10 and then another computer that I use for other shit

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>>57874486
>>57874474
>>57874453
>>57874414
>>57873589
>>57873456
>>57873454
>>57873328
>>57873297
>>57873205
>>57872771
>>57872447
>>57872268
>>57872290
The GTX 1060 LITERALLY DOESN'T WORK on Linux open source drivers. Meanwhile, the GTX 480 had official open source drivers in the Linux kernel on launch day. And they perform great, with no screen tearing or crashes.

If you don't care about this, you are the cancer that is killing /g/.

>>57874467
Shhh don't bring logic and reasoning to a meta shill thread. Just let those ad threads slide by.

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>>57874491
>I have a gayman PC with novidia with windows 10

I really hope devs use Vulkan more than DX12, but microsoft probably gives them money if they use DX12

>>57874513
Sorry but you honestly need a $200+ gpu for a fucking ricing os.

>>57874513
It just got support though

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Initial-Nouveau-Pascal

>>57874467
He's canadian

This seems biased, Canadians do like red a lot.

>tfw laughing at those who bought GTX 1060.

Enjoy your old tech in 1 month, it will be replaced with GTX 1060 using 1080/1070 chip

>>57874585
>$1000+ cpu that costs $900 on ebay

NOT BIASED AT ALL

>Unironically linking to brown faced mongols like Adored or this faggot

In fact, hiro should just apply a fucking filter that automatically closes any thread using pajeetech etc. as a sauce.

>>57874611
>This kills the pro-AMD shitposting.

>>57874555
im currently on the fence between the RX 480 and an EVGA GTX 1060 6gb.

with new API's rolling out im not sure what to do when they are both similar in price.

O.o why is AMD doing their Zen thing so close to christmas? i kinda need to make all my purchasing decisions now.

my plan is to go full Intel and Nvidia with the thoughts that they make so much money they can afford to roll out updates with competent support.

but if DX12 is poo and Vulkan is stepping up giving AMD a software advantage.... i dont know enough to make a decision.

>>57874674
woops, didnt mean to refer to you >>57874555
just clicked it to bring up the reply window.

>>57874674
Just get a 480 man or better yet the 470, it has the best performance per dollar

Although there is this $216 4gb 480

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150775&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

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>>57874538
>there isn't yet any 3D/hardware acceleration support
>Guaranteed to be buggy, full of screen tearing, crash-ridden

>>57874527
If you ever plan on doing real computing and dual booting, yes, you need any card you buy to be compatible. This should be a basic requirement for video cards. Also, you can do game dev on Linux. UE4, Unity, Godot, and so on all run on it. I like to boot up a quick game of Xonotic on my Radeon card from time to time myself.

Go to GNULAG, both of you.

>>57874674
don't bother, even at 1080p games released this year run like dog shit
thing the reviewers never admit:
it's loud, really really fucking loud.

>>57874779
If you mean the reference card they're all loud blower coolers

the only games that ran horribly that I can remember are dishonored 2 and Quantum break

>>57874674
Every time you see an AMD favoring article or video you can almost play a fucking bingo when it comes to spotting dishonesty:

- Benchmarks use some turd AMD biased games that nobody cares about but they sure as heck help AMD to catch up with Nvidia (Ashes of the Singularity, Hitman 2016, you know complete turds that get 6/10 but it doesn't matter because they make AMD look good)
- Benches using 50/50 DX11/DX12 games. One thing that AMD really has is async, it doesn't matter that by having 5 DX11 games and 5 DX12 games you show 0.001% library of DX11 games and 100% of DX12 library, it makes AMD look good.
- Pajeet. I don't know why they just fucking love AMD. Every Pajeet out there will favor AMD. Adored, faggot in OP's post and wcftech to name few.
- Benchmarks use absolutely high end hardware for a $200 card to hide the painful cpu overhead issue that AMD has in DX11. In reality if those benches were made on your average budgetfag i5/AMD that 480 would be 5% behind 1060 in every game.
- Using MSRP prices to justify bang per dollar when once again reality hits hard and a 480RX Nitro (Only decent 480) cost as much as any good non-ref 1060.
- Completely ignoring OC potential of both cards. Same way 970 gtx that could easily reach 1500Mhz on core would demolish reference blowers 480s yet I had to see one fucking benchmark showing OC comparison of those cards.

TL;DR: Unless you see an actual video with OSD from MSI Afterburner in a benchmark that has a rig very similar to your specs - STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM AMD.

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>>57874779
i wouldnt go with a "blower", something about the look just seems inefficient and hot.

>>57874880
I hope you get paid more than the regular half a cent for posts like that. :^)

>>57874974
I hope you get paid more than the regular half a rupee for postsl ike that. :^)

>>57874880
overheating was something i was worried about... and power consumption. from a few videos of amds previous generation of gpu's it seemed like each one needed their own power supply and water cooling loop to not melt the surrounding parts.

>>57874974
Damn son you just got btfo, stop shitposting and show him some actual counterarguments instead of being an embarrassing retard.

>>57874517
>I really hope devs use Vulkan more than DX12, but microsoft probably gives them money if they use DX12
I wish they would but it seems unlikely. I think DOOM only ended up using Vulkan because of development on the PS4 version of the game.

>>57874880
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/directCompute.html#value

i guess i was safe to stick with the gtx 1060 6gb.

is this source reliable?

who is reliable?

>>57875050
AMD also probably offered help, in addition it runs the game faster when you use it correctly, so more people would be able to run the game

>>57873456
>>57874467
>>57874486
>>57874515
>>57874611
>>57874671
>>57874880

So why are you guys complaining about the system specs? They used the EXACT same system used originally to the 480 and 1060 a few months ago.

Original 480 review:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/72889-radeon-rx480-8gb-performance-review-6.html

Original 1060 review:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/73040-nvidia-gtx-1060-6gb-review-3.html

Latest 480 vs 1060 review:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/73945-gtx-1060-vs-rx-480-updated-review-2.html

>>57875085
Journos are shills - they're not reliable.
/g/ is full of dedicated shills who do it for free - they're not reliable.

I stick to Nvidia, don't take my word for it. Just pay attention to shit that I pointed out: >>57874880

Honestly, make a list of your favorite games that you want to play and look for youtube benchmarks made by small budget players - not wanna be linuxtech shills that will do everything in their power to make sure those free products start to pop up. If you're into linux AMD is trash by default, although like somebody pointed out 1000 is also trash as of now. DX12 requires Windows 10 - NSA edition, Vulkan is dead in the water like every AMD tech that has to compete with Microsoft or Intel.

>>57874513
>open source
>nouveau
Who cares, it's trash even when it does work.

>>57875216

>Vulkan
>AMD tech
>competing with Intel

Heres your (you).

>>57875217
Nope, the open source AMD drivers are now largely equivalent to the closed source drivers in many games.

>>57872268
im currently plannin on buyin a 470 8gb when the 4c/8t zen cpu is released to upgrade my athlon 750k/7870le


Id likely be happy with the 8320e for a couple years, and was planning on upgrading on the cheap. Now I could go with the 6600k thanks to microcenter 40mi away or zen come release and reviews

>>57875184
Nobody says that AMD hasn't improved their drivers. Direct me to a post saying that. However both benchmarks use a $900 5960x. Driver overhead is a thing and with something like 3570 or 4460 those AMD benchmarks would look worse in both cases.

>>57874674

Get the RX 480, it'll be better for DX12/Vulkan games released in the future.

For current games and older stuff the power difference between the 1060 and the 480 at 1080p isn't enough to worry about.

Spring for the 8GB 480 because it's just a few bucks more and there are already games that push 4+GB of VRAM usage at 1080p.

If for some reason you do end up getting a 1060 than get the 6GB version. Do not under any circumstances get the 3GB version, it's literally retard tier.

>>57875250
Still inferior. Therefore still useless trash.

>>57875255
No reason to get an 8gb 470 man, just find a 480 8gb on sale if you need 8gbs of VRAM

>>57875269
Nope, it's superior because it's guaranteed to be more stable, and it's integrated into the kernel.

>>57875259
>needing more than 4gb of vram at 1080p
keked, no point if the card isnt strong enough to make use of all of its ram.

>>57875245
Are you a retard or just have problems with reading comprehension?

>with Microsoft or Intel
In this case it would be Microsoft, AMD was already utterly btfo by Intel before like when they were trying to go for 8 cores while Intel went for faster 4 cores around time when majority of games was using 2 cores at best. But you're too dumb to actually understand it - that's why I'm pointing it out.

>Implying AMD wasn't heavily involved into creating Vulkan

Ye cool story.

>>57875295
>>57875250

Can /g/ answer why modern games run like shit while looking worse than ever? Are devs actually this incompetent at their jobs or are they beyond lazy fucks?

i never bottleneck my RX 480 with my oc'd 4690k. where's your god now nvidiots?

>>57875332
Graphic development moved away from crispy real-like textures to blurry shit hidden underneath 20 post-processing light effects. It's matter of personal opinion. New games tend to look better in motion when you don't actually try to zoom at things but they look like trash on screenshots etc.

>>57875276
if I get a 480 iutll be the xfx gtr version, but currently $80 more expensive

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>>57872268
why do game reviewers always have disgusting accents?

>>57875334
Funny, an i3 6100 wouldn't bottleneck a gtx 1060.

Checkmate AMDumdum

>>57875334
Your $240 cpu reduces driver overhead? What a shock!

>Implying 90% of /g/ AMD owners don't run some i3/8300 trash.

>>57875414
my 480 works great with my FX 8300, I can VSR a lot of games to 4k medium settings with no issues on my 1440p display

>>57875427
Cool. Now run games showed in the benchmark and compare results. If your results would also btfo 1060 gtx I will remain forever silent.

Except... We both know your results would be 20 frames behind those of a Pajeet shill.

>>57872268
>1060

Was about to, because they run markedly better than AMD GPUs for an eGPU setup. Then that deal for the sapphire R9 card came up and I took the bait hook, line, and I'm an idiot.

>375W house fire edition

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>>57875332
>>57875375

Diminishing returns coupled with being held back by shitty console hardware.

>>57874538
>nouveau
It will work like absolute shit until nvidia releases the signed firmware, which won't happen until Volta. Same thing happened with Maxwell cards, firmware wasn't released until Pascal was released.

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>>57875414

>>Implying 90% of /g/ AMD owners don't run some i3/8300 trash.

I think you're projecting.

>>57875455
You mean the $260 Fury card? just undervolt it, it might be able to be as efficient as a Nano/980

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-afterburner-undervolt-radeon-r9-fury,4425.html

>>57875447
Only one I have is doom and that's easy to run at over 100fps with vulkan at times, course that was at 1080p

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>>57875484
>>57875414
btfo

>>57875458
To be honesty nobody except for 0.1% of PC owners could run Crysis at any acceptable frames in 2007 and make it look like pic related. Jesus majority of cards in 2009 couldn't run that game at 60 fps even on low details. Meanwhile even trash cards like 960 gtx can run FC4 at high settings/60 fps. So that argument is just another retarded /g/ tier nonsense.

>>57875517
i still can't run 2007 crysis at max settings without some frame dips into the 50s

>>57875256
>Nobody says that AMD hasn't improved their drivers. Direct me to a post saying that.
I never made that claim.

>However both benchmarks use a $900 5960x. Driver overhead is a thing and with something like 3570 or 4460 those AMD benchmarks would look worse in both cases.
And I'm not denying that either. But a person or two are claiming that HC are biased for using high end hardware, when this isn't the first time they have done so for both AMD and nVidia.

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>>57875414
w e w
e
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>>57875567
They're biased, they're Pajeets after all. I would simply discard that review if they at least mentioned it in one sentence (So yea, keep in mind we use 5960X in those benchmarks so we don't really have an issue with driver overhead) - Just another shill what can you do. But that obvious dishonest bullshit only does more harm than good, you can except more broken hearts of AMD owners when their 480s don't yield similar results. The thing is, if I buy a 1070 gtx and look at a review of a specific non-reference card I can be sure that my fps will be 3-5 behind in the worst case even though my CPU costs $700 less.

>>57875598
>>57875513
>>57875484
>Having a CPU that costs more than your GPU in your gaymen PC

a) Not an argument b) You deserve a fate worse than death.

>>57875513

What do you use all of those virtual drives for?

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>>57872268
what is the framerate in Stardew Valley bro?

>>57875641
installing chinese porn games

>>57875630
It makes more sense to put your money towards your CPU, an i5 2500K is still viable for running games

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>>57875667

This.

A good unlocked CPU will last you many years. It's smarter to buy the best CPU you can afford and then buy a new mid-range GPU once every couple of years.

If you buy a high end GPU and skimp on your CPU than you're going to have lower framerates and spend more money in the long run.

>>57875630

You're not very smart.

>>57875530
How? The game is optimized as hell. My 5770 ran it good

>>57875630
>paid 244€ for the 4690K
>paid 300€ for the Fury

>>57875617
>I would simply discard that review if they at least mentioned it in one sentence
Fair enough.

Nope, but I also didn't make the mistake of buying a 480. HBM2 or GTFO.

>>57875667
>>57875695
Would an i5-6500 be enough for a 1060?

>>57875617
They all test with i5 6600K's and above to see what kind of numbers the GPU is really capable of, there are other people who do low end CPU tests

>>57876023
Yes.

>>57872268
it's true that the 1060 is inferior but is also cheaper and comsumes less energy.

They're not really competing, they answer to different needs.

>>57874760
Steve Jobs would look more in place at a concentration camp, especially in those last few years.

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>>57872268
The benchmarks I saw had the cards getting around 80-90 fps in most AAA games.

85 fps is in the donut hole of useless extra frames. Nobody is making an 85hz monitor (disregard overclocking and CRTs for the moment).

So you either want 60, 120, or 144hz. Neither card will hit 120.

So you're left sitting locked at 60 fps.

Then what sort of aspects of a card are you looking at? It's going to be power and noise. And the GTX 1060 wins on both of those.

>>57876154
Could've sworn there was a thing on the 480's being better or on par with the 1060's now. Better binning or QC at GloFlo maybe.

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>>57876101
kek
>when the porkies starve themselves for you

All I know is since AMD bought ATi (started GCN) any Nvidia card that isn't top of the line such as a 1070 or 1080 is dogshit no more than a year later. AMD cards do not have this problem with longevity. Nvidia used to have decent drivers but that was in the past. Now AMD has the drivers.

>>57876295
The difference is +/-10%. When it is that close you don't want to look at raw performance numbers by FPS in games and instead look at heat and noise generated, and the 1060 wins easily there. It also has lower power requirements so it can fit in a wider variety of setups.

>>57876348
My 960 has about 10% higher bench results now with newer drivers than it did when I got it in November of last year.

>>57876355
That's what I'm talking about the power. The AMD cards are doing better than the 1060's. The gist of what I read was newer parts from GloFlo were supposedly the reason.

>>57876373
How does that compare to the competitor card from AMD? I just recently picked up a 960 earlier this year for one of my other machines (kids machine) for 75 dollarydoos. I still have a 7950 3GB card in one too. All i5/i3 machines though. Retired the Phenom. I did have a kepler but that card died an early death which seems to happen to my green cards.

>>57876432
960 I bought on the cheap was a used Nvidia super super super saiyan clocked version (why nvidia?).

>>57876380
I looked over some of the recent numbers and the two cards are pretty much equivalent in all but one area and that load temperature where the 480 is significantly higher.

If you are going to buy one or the other card I'd look at the type of cooler and the usage scenario. AMD's Mantle may be compatible with Windows 7, where Directx 12 is not. This is not directly related to GPUs, but some esoteric improvements in performance might be seen.

>>57872268
>suddenly the rx480 faster than 1060
>but the 1060 is cooler than rx480
>why benchmark it with high-end processors that nobody use
its fun to watch nvidiots on suicide watch

>>57875517
My base model macbook from 2010 could run crysis at low settings at 60+ fps, and ran medium 25-40 fps.

You are full of shit

>>57874760
I'm all for Linux brother but ue4, maya, sound production etc are a nightmare on Linux.

>>57876154
Or you can run the game at medium settings to hit over 100fps

besides that if the minimum frame rates are staying above 60fps you have a much better experience

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>>57876669
>medium settings

>>57875184
>Reading through this thread
>"How the fuck is a 6 year old card comparable to something that just recently came out?"
>Halfway through the thread, realize people are talking about RX 480, not GTX 480

I really wish AMD hadn't changed their numbering.

>>57876934
Most games hardly look any different

>>57876955
might as well buy a console at that point

>>57876154
i guess you havent heard of freesync.....
or maybe you were a retard and bought a g-sync monitor and are locked in

AMD drivers don't keep up, Nvidia support the GPUs

Best RX 480 model
help me pull the trigger

>>57877166
Sapphire Nitro 8GB

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>>57872268
>reference ayymd model minimum fps same as custom super clocked novidia model average fps
>on a novidia title

does novidia even bankrupt?

>>57874760
>If you ever want to do any real computing

What the fuck does that mean? 3D Minecraft Animator? Team fortress 3(Overwatch)

>For dual booting

Yeah for dual booting windows so you can gayme with the GPU. You still don't need that gpu to run a weeb-riced 1600x900 desktop and 5 palemoon tabs.

>>57875298
But muh elder scrolls 4 oblivion 4k texture anime sex mods.

>>57876964
consoles run at 30fps, not 100 fps

>>57874513
My 970 doesn't work as well.

>>57873328
A shitload of people that don't want to waste $400 on gaymen buy the 1060 you shitlord

>>57878084
then just buy a fucking console you stupid fuck.
gpus run modern games lke dogshit, with shorter lifespans than phones

and they've all been fucking rebrands for the past 3 fucking years anyways

>>57877051
freesync, gsync, memesync

I don't give a shit about any of them. I'd rather spend the money they cost on a better GPU.

>>57878221
Free-sync typically doesn't add much of anything to the cost of a display

>>57878172
No they don't, the 1060 runs most newer games 1080p at 60fps or more, which beats the fuck out of any console.
A lot of people also want a computer and not just playing games, not to mention game prices are better through steam.
The 1060 and 480 are good enough cards for the average gamer, get off your high horse you elitist fuck.

dx12 is windows 10 only

you literally have to use garbage spyware OS to fully utilize your hardware

>>57872333
>Using Quantum Shit as a benchmark
You and the person who ran it should off yourselves.

>>57878403
What is vulkan? Stop shilling you degenerate

>>57872268
What about CUDA and OpenCL performance?

I replaced my GTX580 with a R9 280x not considering it's performance in Blender. Should have stayed with Nvidia.

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>>57878622
Chill out bro.

>>57876456
If wattage draw is the same then the heat generated would be the same too.

>>57872268
i guess i'm buying a 460 instead of 1050.

>>57872546
that has to be the shittiest flat screen on the market, or something small like 19 inches, i feel bad for you

>>57878668
https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/OpenCL

I have no idea why Blender focuses on CUDA rather than Open CL being FOSS software

>>57878914
Save up for an RX 470 on sale

>>57875269
>Still inferior.
thats fud man
radeon driver is fine

>muh games
idk why you would use linux for that anyway

games are bad for you anyway
AMD is doing you favour
AMD cares for you and your health

>>57878950
It probably comes down to available programmers.
But OpenCL is slower than than CUDA in many programs. After Effects and Premiere Pro are good examples.

>>57878959
the hardly play games.
when i do, it's for nostalgia sake.
only played ffx remastered lately and probably ffxii next year.

>>57879024
Going by linus's recent video on it the cards were tied for the most part, AMD winning in some cases, Nvidia in others

AMD cards in general are also better for compute and tend to off more VRAM for less money, seems like they should be focusing on them more than nvidia, plus, open source...

>>57879066
It's easily worth it, you can find them a $170 currently, less than double the price for more than double the performance

Or AMD may have an RX 465 soon to compete with the 1050ti

>>57873297
>1060 6GB
>289 €
>RX 480 4GB
>267 €
Yeah nah.

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>>57879126
>4GB

Got a 1060 in my gayman laptop. i would have bought one with a 480 if they existed, but as far as i can tell they don't.

My 1060 3gb that costed me 170$ came in today.

>>57879273
>3GB
Return it if you can.

>>57879126
http://nikem-bg.net/magazin.php?search=VIDEOCARD&p=480

http://nikem-bg.net/magazin.php?search=VIDEOCARD&p=1060

cut prises in half for €

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>>57879273

> 3GB 1060

I really hope that you're either memeing on us or that you only play casual/"e-sports" games.

Otherwise ya fucked up.

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>>57879273

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This should run cooler and quieter than the sapphire 480, right?

>>57879483
>buying low end models of any card
kek

>>57879537
My budget is $280.

>>57879483
for worse performance, yes

>tfw you fell for the fury x meme

oh well

>>57879564
How much worse compared to the sapphire 480?

>>57878489
DOA?

>>57872290
Instead of hiring competent employees Nvidia pays this fgt to shill on /g every time something like this is posted. Kill yourself asap.

>>57874378

I think since their 200 series. The 390 was superior as well. Now the 480 is beating the 1060 in quite a few games though the 1060 still outdoes it in a few. But the differences depends on the game really.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/73945-gtx-1060-vs-rx-480-updated-review.html

The big difference imo is the 480 has 2gb more vram so games won't turn into a stutter fest a year later when scorpio is the base model and the fact that amd supports their cards far longer. That card will outlast the 1060 which is what poorfags should be concerned about.

I expect nvidia to pull the cord when volta is out on the 1060.

>>57873403
this

GTX 1060 is the fastest GPU with real DX12 Feature Level 12_1 support without burning your house or PCIe slot and doesn't consume 200W but claim to be 150W TDP

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>>57882805
>without burning your house
Pretty sure Nvidia is the only brand that brings true housefires.

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>>57883039
My GTX460 and GTX 465 cards died within a year or two due to the extreme vtech tech Nvidia had going on at the time.

>>57882712
Sorry anon but if you want to be taken seriously you can't post an Indian source.

>>57879483
I got this card in black friday and so far it kicks ass.

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>>57882712
>unironically posting Pajeet as a unbiased review of an AMD product

Oh I'm laughing.

>>57879483
I got this card in black friday and so far it kicks ass.

>>57879438
60fps on AAA titles on ultra graphics of 170$
I dont see a downside here.

>>57883230
>>57883335

Don't get this meme, pls explain.

>>57879287
I only have a 1080p display so no need for more

>>57879448
No you

>>57883426
For some reason when it comes to bullshit biased reviews and gossips they're always hosted by some Indian pseudo intellectual tech Pajeet. We are talking AdoredTV ("Enthusiasts were always buying AMD! Normies ruined everything!", Wcftech "OCed 480RX will compete with 1070/TitanX!" and HardwareCanucks ("muh magical performance taken from thin air while benchmarked on a $900 cpu")

ITT: Poorfags from poor shitholes or white trash discuss about shitty poorfag video cards

>>57883472
Isn't Anandtech also Pajeet? I thought they were pretty gud.

Also, isn't Adrored Scottish?

When will we see nvidia pay their shills to shill back?

1 week tops we will see another review 1060 is better

>>57883056
I'm still using my 460

>>57874517
Yea fuck DX12. Vulkan is better for everybody, on every platform.

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>>57883548
Glad you found the submit button grandpa.

>>57883555
Too bad Vulkan is DOA that received in support in whooping 6 games since its release. Fucking mantle had more games than this.

>>57879571
fell for the "Sapphire Fury Nitro on sale" meme and don't regret it

>>57875708
>crysis is well optimized
No it isn't, its almost as bad as GTA 4 which is the most unoptimized game ever made

>>57883657
They recently patched GTA 4 though.

>>57883426

They're projecting and trying to shill for nvidia so they claim any nonbiased source are pajeets

>>57883729
Except it is. And it's biased as fuck lmao. No point in arguing with you retards anyway. AMD fans will claim that black is white if it means justifying their purchase.

>>57883721
After almost 8 years

>>57883472
You'd have to go game by game in DX11 tests with various CPUs to find out when a mid-range graphics card would become CPU bottlenecked due to driver overhead. Not really feasible for reviewers to do this because at this point, with how powerful CPUs are, you'd probably have to be running a game at some stupidly low graphics settings/low resolution or using a really terrible CPU for that to enter into the equation.

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The reason that gpu debates rage on is because people make up this ridiculous situation where they want to know which gpu is better in general for all games. It doesn't work like that. You know what games you plan to play and there is a clear choice depending which those are.

I play blizzard games so I bought a 1060.
It's that fucking simple. Stop propagating this imaginary situation just for the sake of having an argument with no right stance.

>>57872268
>The 480 is now overall faster than the 1060...

So I'll save for a 1070 then. I don't want poo in my PC.

>>57883769
>Not really feasible for reviewers to do this because at this point

Maybe because majority of those "reviewers" are just worthless biased cucks that, like Adored, were trying to get into youtube doe doing let's plays, failed miserably and now shill for every product on both sides, no matter how bad it actually is, because giving it a favorable opinion and getting something like 50k views means free products from manufacturers and free doe from ad revenue? Why is /g/ is so fucking spastic when it comes to most obvious shit.

>>57883804
The only one who sounds spastic in this thread is you famalam. And why the fuck would you bring up Adored when it comes to shills? He's like the antithesis to the JayzTwoShills/LinusShillTips phenomenon. Actual discussion of the technology and the market forces driving GPU manufacturing are something you won't see on those channels.

>>57883879
>AdoredTV
>His last video
>He literally says that enthusiasts always bought AMD instead of Nvidia and AMD still lost because of normies still buying Nvidia.

This guy is either mentally ill AMD shill or a completely clueless retard. Enthusiasts were always going for the most powerful, expensive option, no matter if it's AMD or Nvidia. If in your opinion that's an insightful, constructive reviewer - I really don't have anything to so say to you, good luck in life I guess.

>>57883563
It was released in 2010, it's not even old.

>>57884025
He really fucked up with saying that enthusiasts buy AMD when enthusiasts would buy Nvidia because they have the better GPU, most of the time. He should have said the enthusiast on a budget and he would be less wrong. Enthusiasts on a budget is also an even smaller niche of buyers.

>>57883757

Nice try retard nvidia is shit and their drivers have been for months.

Enjoy your stuttering on your slower 6gb vram turd card.

>>57872290

>Hail Mary

I think you mean Hare Krishna.

>>57884334
>stuttering
But AMD cards always have worse frametime.

>>57884025
>Enthusiasts were always going for the most powerful, expensive option, no matter if it's AMD or Nvidia
This, it's completely ignorant to act like one brand has always been the enthusiast brand.

>>57883657
You would honestly have to be retarded to believe what you just said.

>>57884674

Have you checked which board you are on?

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>>57874513
I don't give a single shit about your Linux trash
Why the fuck are you trying to play videogames on linux

>>57883475
>WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE ASK FOR $1500 FROM THEIR PARENTS LIKE ME. WHY DO WAGEKEKS EXIST. REEEEEE

>>57876355
The XFX RX 480 GTR beats the 1060 on power and heat.

>>57885670
[citation needed]

>>57884025
What he meant is that enthusiasts on a budget. He worded it incorrectly. Enthusiasts on a budget look to get the best bang for their buck and go team AMD if they find the product is close to the performance of the pricier item. But yeah he fucked up with that statement.

>>57872268

>Buy the RX 480 bro, it will get better over time
>MUH HOUSEFIERS AYYMD NO BOOLCAN NO GAEMS
>Bro, I'm telling you. This generation of Nvidia cards are not-
>NVIDIA NVIDIA NO HUSFIRE AYYYYYYMD HOSEFIRRRREEE


a/v/tists on suicide watch!

>>57885841
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5dJD-fLfk8

>>57884156
It's almost 7 years. That's old.

That's before DirectX 11.

>>57885670
>>57885841
>>57885952
XFX video referenced. Check the power and temp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWASNajSdpg

>>57876023
Pretty much any core-i will. We live in a time of ridiculous excess CPU performance and CPU growth has stagnated significantly.

I was on a Phenom II x4 until just this year and the only games it bottlenecked me on were Arma 3 and MGSV.

>>57886013
That power reading is for the ASIC, not the full board.
At reference settings the Ellesmere die pulls around 110w under full load. 40w~ is the pull of the memory which brings total board target power to 150w.

The XFX card here isn't displaying usually low power consumption.

>>57886127
Well at least it's hitting it's target usage and temps. So the difference is marginal. You would not notice a big difference in your electricity bill.

>>57886056
>We live in a time of ridiculous excess CPU performance

I'd argue that software has stagnated because CPU improvements have ground to a halt.
The disparity of what can be rendered vs. what is actually being simulated is growing, and it just makes things feel more "gamey" even as development budgets are swallowed by art costs.

.>>57884025
>He literally says that enthusiasts always bought AMD instead of Nvidia and AMD still lost because of normies still buying Nvidia.

What? No, he didn't say this at all. He said that enthusiasts at least seemed to be split closer to 50/50 with regards to AMD/Nvidia but the casual/pre-built consumer gave zero fucks about AMD.

Congratulations, you completely missed the point of the entire video. Good luck to you in life as well. Your autism-tier levels of comprehension will be sure to guide you to great success.

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But what about temps ? I've heard the 480 cooks itself.

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>>57886725

You're thinking of the GTX 480, not the RX 480.

>>57877176
What makes it better than all the others?

>>57886725
about 5% to 10% hotter than the 1060

nevertheless a huge improvement over previous GCN chips

the reference 480s came with super shitty coolers though so that's probably why you heard that

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The Nvidia GTX480's caught on fire. Good times.

>>57886725
The reference RX 480 ships with a pretty tiny heatsink because the GPU itself doesn't pull much power. It doesn't get very hot either. 85c isn't hot for a GPU.
The "Founders Edition" GTX 1070 and 1080 get just as hot under load, and no one complains about that.

>>57874513
970 here, I have to use proprietary drivers, but AMD's performance really turns me off. I like to play videogames from time to time, and some emulators unfortunately work better on Nvidia. I'd love to buy Vega, but fear that even the PRO stack will perform worse than the current 970.

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>>57886772
There was an entire thread like two days ago talking about the 480 running at ridiculous temps, is that really not true? If so I'm definitely getting the 480.

>>57886814

Thats because somehow according to /g/ and the internet AMD's 83c is somehow hotter than Nvidia's 83c (83c is an important number as thats generally where Nvidia throttles - some AMD chips go higher).

>>57878740
Is this gore thread?

>>57886834

High 70's to low 80's is entirely the norm for modern gpu architectures and typical cooling. Christ non reference coolers tame hawaii and baby fiji (read: keep at 70c territory under load) and those chips have somewhere in the region of a 275w TDP.

tl;dr if the card doesn't throttle it doesn't matter what temperature it runs in practical terms.

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>>57886833

>>57886813
Actually they did not. Some models of the GTX 5xx series which used the same GPUs with lower power consumption at a smaller process node did.

To my knowledge GTX 4xx series has never been damaged in that way.

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>>57886876

>>57886814
I think the bigger concern is how noisy the card is while at that temperature. Small heatsink = more noisy fan.

>>57886900
Can you provide proof that GTX 4xx series caught fire? I know GTX 5xx did because they used significantly weaker VRMs on average and I think there was some driver update which caused problems, but I have to date never heard any problems like that from GTX 4xx series. And no, running at 90C without any damage is not "catching fire".

>>57884025
Did you even watch the video? He uses enthusiast with a different connotation.
Sort of related, but I don't know why there is so much dissing on Adored. He's more in the AMD side, but he gives credit on both when it's due.

>>57886874
Go compare benches before spouting memes. I got the card for a good price last year, even with the cuck VRAM. $200 new was a great buy back then and it's only a little behind today's midrange, i.e. the RX 480 and GTX 1060. I really want to switch to AMD since g-sync is expensive shit.

>>57879571
>fell for those Nitro fury memes

Actually the only falling I did was from tripping on my cum when I saw those prices.

>>57872566
Why are you using a graphic from 3-4 years ago.

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>>57887157

It was the last time the 780 beat the 7970ghz.

>>57887201
I hate these benches.

Always have 290/390 and X variants, always Fury X and Nano, but never fucking non X Fury.

>>57887317

Buy one for Ivan and friends so they can bench with it then. A quick and dirty rule though is fury = fury nano - the low clocks of the nano offset its shader advantage.

>>57872268
>480 is now overall faster than the 1060
Call me when the 480 is faster than the 1080

O wait, that will never happen. Nvidia won. Deal with it.

>>57887201
>benched with 5960x

b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-bb-b-b-b-b-b-b--b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-bb-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but AMD's d-d-d-d-dd-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-dd-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d--d-d-d-d-d-dd-d-d-d-d-river overhead

>>57873328
>steam hardware survey
>1070: 1.53% of users, +0.28% growth
>1060: 1.47% of users, +0.48% growth

Next month the GTX 1060 will be the most used Pascal card on Steam.

>>57887904
>Next month the GTX 1060 will be the most used Maxwell card on Steam.

Fixed that for you.

>>57888169
To be fair, neither Polaris nor (non-GP100) Pascal are virtually anything but shrunk and overclocked versions of their predecessors.

>>57888322
Polaris at least has the primitive discard accelerator but you're right, it's still GCN at heart, even if it is GCN on steroids.

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>>57888464
it's more like GCN on lukewarm coffee.
the discard accelerator only culls true zero-sample triangles, of which there aren't too many even in stupidly overtessellated scenes.
the other improvements are comparably minor if you look at them closely too.

>>57888618
Sure, but most of AMD's potential for improvement comes on the software side of things anyway though. I mean, the whole reason they even need a primitive discard accelerator in the first place is because GCN can't into tessellation very well.

It's weird how AMD released CPU and GPU architectures that both couldn't really be leveraged to their full extent because there was no software incentive to do so.

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>>57888825
It's not that GCN can't do geometry, it's that AMD doesn't put many geometry units on a chip.

An RX 470 has roughly the same triangle throughput as a Fury X, since both have 4 SEs running at ~1 GHz.

If anything older GCN might have a limit of 4 SEs per chip, which had better not still be true for Vega.

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>>57888958
hawaii for comparison...

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>>57888982
... and fiji.

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AmemeDrones attacking the GTX1060 and not the 1070 or the 1080. What's Upp with that Pajeet, you can't compete?

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>>57889125
Honestly I don't know who should I trust anymore. /g/ says 480RX completely destroys 970 and beats 1060 in recent benchmarks after driver updates. Meanwhile every favourite game I want to play after upgrading my poorfag pc seems to run better on 1060, sometimes even on 980/oced 970 than on 480RX when I look at some 200 views videos on youtube of some actual owners. This shit scares me so fucking much especially since I had issues with both companies in history (280x was utter trash that was shutting itself down after overheating due to voltage issues which couldn't be fixed until I undervolted the card thus heavily gutting it - Had issues with 260 gtx that kinda just stopped working after a year). Spending $300 bucks is actually a lot for me and I'm dead scared.

they will have to make another video once ReLive Drivers come out... and yet the 1060 still outsold the 480 even though its cheaper....

>>57884025
>Enthusiasts are always going to go for the most powerful, expensive option

Present yourself in front of a speeding semi trailer you brain dead moron, that's like saying all car enthusiasts go out and buy Ferraris to tweak and play around in.

>>57888958
Unrelated, but I saw the CF XDAM block and remembered, I always wondered why AMD gave up on CF bridges. SLI has trouble at 4K with temporal techniques sometimes despite having a dedicated link via the SLI bridge, even Pascal with its new HB bridges, especially on PCI-E x8/x8. I can't help but wonder if this is the case with AMD as well, I don't think I've ever seen a proper test but I do remember AMD recommending users turn off AA in Witcher 3 when using CF (it's some sort of temporal AA).

>>57874513
1060 here. Working fine on my machine

>>57891112
CF and SLI are AFAIK pure AFR nowadays, so it would stand to reason that they would be inherently incompatible with most temporal techniques short of major driver hacks.

SLI is only 1 GB/s (2 for the new double wide "high" bandwidth version), which means that a completed 1080p buffer widthout any alpha, depth, or multi/supersampling takes about 6 ms to transfer. Moving to ~16 GB/s PCIe alleviates but doesn't completely remove the delay issues.

>>57891460
They are pure AFR, yes. Maybe you could do fancy shit in DX12, but there isn't a single game that does so AFAIK and DX12 mGPU wouldn't really be SLI or CF anyway. Pretty sure 1GB/s was just the old bridge, the LED type and the HB bridge operate at higher clocks AFAIK. I've seen 400MHz for the old flexible bridges and supposedly 650MHz for the HB bridge, so it might be getting around 3.25 GB/s. It's not that much but it's still a dedicated link with predictable performance. Using a single flex bridge at 4K in TW3 for instance completely kills SLI, like it doesn't really scale at all. Using 2 or a HB bridge can get you pretty damn good scaling, in the 80%+ range, or 90%+ without TAA.

SLI does manage to handle temporal AA in Witcher 3 quite well at native 4K provided it has sufficient PCIe b/w available, which means both cards at PCIe 3.0 16x. Using it with x8/x8 can seriously murder performance, I've seen it on my own system. TAA with GTX1080 single GPU costs like 1FPS, with SLI it's like 15FPS. That's a huge difference. Moving up to 16x/16x you only lose like 5FPS, so the difference is pretty significant and indicates that SLI can choke quite badly on PCIe b/w.

Anyway, SLI somehow manages to deal with TAA fairly decently even with huge 4K buffers moving around, but AMD have given up on a dedicated link between cards and are recommending CF users turn TAA off. Bandiwdth really seems to be an issue, yet they chose to only rely on PCIe, especially when few people even have CPUs/boards to handle 32 lanes. I can't help but wonder why.

>>57879483
This cheaper model has cheaper fans I think. So could be noisier do your research.

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why has nvidia become total garbage?

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>muh gaymes
wrong board faggots
>>>/v/

>>57891754
>AMD have given up on a dedicated link between cards and are recommending CF users turn TAA off. Bandiwdth really seems to be an issue, yet they chose to only rely on PCIe, especially when few people even have CPUs/boards to handle 32 lanes. I can't help but wonder why.

They probably just didn't foresee TAA 5-10 years ago or whenever they CFX was on the drawing board. Nothing else really pushes that much data between cards every frame.

>>57889125
>$250usd gpu vs a $250usd gpu
Woah !

>>57892479
>whenever they CFX was on the drawing board
Let's be honest, Crossfire and SLI were always just gimmicks designed to sell twice the hardware with minimal effort on the part of Nvidia and ATI. Creating a high-bandwidth interface that the cards could communicate with would be expensive, and they're frankly not that invested in it working well because the kind of people that can be tricked into paying $1200 for GPUs aren't very discerning anyway.

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>>57892479
>>57892724
> imblying

>>57872333
Quantum Break is absolute garbage, literally kys

>>57883797
This.

I play Arma so I bought a 1060.

It seems like AMD seems to be a better choice for general performance and the open drivers for Linux are a big deal but it just fucking sucks at running Arma.

>>57893145
>been running arma 3 with 50 mods and everything maxxed on a r9 380x
>there's no difference because arma is CPU heavy not GPU.

>>57872546
Dude what that is literally half price

>>57874811
I have to do blower though it seems because corsair 250d

>>57883631
>>57887129
How did your $200 end up comparing to a $400 1070

>>57893189

What are smoke grenades? Buy Nvidia trust me me.

>>57892960
5GB/s isn't very fast when you look at how fast the memory on these cards is

>>57883797
You did poor research because a 1060 is overkill for blizzard games

>>57872268
I bought a 480.

The only thing I miss is Shadowplay.
I thought I read AMD had their own utility for recording with minimal overhead, but it seems I was wrong.

>>57894347
Just use Obs with the hw encoder. I use it with my Gtx 980 too.

>>57893529
Settled for 1080p for the foreseeable future without overspending to the degree that a 1070 requires, good temps, low noise.

>>57894376
Oh, didn't know this existed. Thank you, anon.

Is this basically just as efficient?

>>57894407
Don't know. Never used Shadowplay. I saw geforce experience once and it looked like a child's toy so I immediately uninstalled it.

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I'm mad. I bought this fucking meme card because it was supposed to have a pentagram on the back plate and the model I received is lacking such markings. Who do I bitch out about this? If you're going to call it red devil and the puss out you're a fucking faggot.

>>57894442
Are there any marketing pictures showing such a symbol on the back?

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>>57894468
Yes. I think it got offended because jews don't know that the star of David is not the Key of Solomon

>>57894442
Get raped and kill yourself, you retarded fucking faggot sack of nigger shit with down syndrome.

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>>57894594

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>>57875598
>>57875513
>>57875484

r8 me

>>57894734

Unless that 390/x is clocked to the moon (read:1200 core territory) its really not a good fit for gaymen at 4k.

>>57890877
>ReLive

Yep... ReLive comes out tomorrow I believe, and boosts the RX480 even higher across the board.

>>57894759
All the games I play work fine at that resolution(around 60 FPS) and I'm more or less waiting until the prices of the 390 drop a bit more to crossfire it as well as buying a more powerful PSU.

>>57894525
>wanted a pentagram
>got a hexagram instead

>>57889199
Then youre retarded, in both cases you should have rma'd because you got defective shit.

>>57872268
i bet that volta will bring back supescalar desing and will ditch that horrible pipelined design..

> be european
> GTX1060 3Gb ~220$
> RX480 4Gb ~280$
REEEEEE

>>57874880
so wait you suggest we go on the tpu side of things and use fucking crysis 1 and wow just to boost the average fps and make the nvidia cards to look better?

no amd doesnt have only async...async is just one of the features the reason why amd is actually kicking ass over time NOW is because they installed a hardware rasterizer that is fully programmable just like their HWS

so in other words we can use an i3 with a 1060 in both dx12 and dx11 and then we can compare the overhead right? RIGHT? its funny cause till 480 came along noone was bitching about nvidia using an i7 16gb of ram bla bla to hide their lack of hardware sc on dx12..just like how nvidia stopped using precentile when amd fucked them up (no one remembers that eh)

since when the retailer price has anything to do with the msrp ?amd cant control the prices

what oc potential this is a meme that needs to die amd cards a massively paraller while nvidia cards are just a serial speed demon they dont have nothing in common so that you can compare the clocks if you want to actually compare something you need to do a +10 mhz stepping and measure the gain this is the only way to actually measure 2 different designs...

tl dr unless you stop being butthurt cause amd traditionally offers way better perf in time you will still be an nvfag

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>>57895780
In my shithole of a country getting something RMA'd is close to impossible. Majority of good manufacturers don't even have a branch here so you need to contact them through greedy resellers which usually will claim that there is nothing wrong with the card. Not to mention I have to wait 4 to 6 weeks to even get a response.

>>57896611
- How about use games that are actually popular and sell? Not ones that are simply AMD benchmarks and have 300 people online on Steam.
- Yes AMD literally has only async going for which makes them way better in dx12 department. Their temps, power consumption, overclocking, noise and drivers are still 2 years behind Nvidia.
- Unlike AMD Nvidia doesn't have issues with driver overhead, you can use their cards with a $100 i3 and yield similar results unless game is super CPU intense.
- Retailer price means absolutely nothing in reality, just another shill tactic used by AMD fanboys to make them look good in charts. And then you retards wonder why somebody would picked 1060 over 480 when both cards cost the same irl.
- OC potential is a meme? Reference 480rx can't oc by 20Mhz without crashing, in fact many fags in here had to undervolt it. Even the beloved Sapphire Nitro has the same issue. Meanwhile anything that comes out of 10xx and 9xx series easily reaches 200MHz+ on core while gaining up to 10 fps. But yeah, keep shilling how OC is a meme and AMD can do it. You'd be lucky to gain 1 fps difference with 480 when trying to touch voltage and cores on that pile of shit.

tl;dr you're just another delusional shill that's gonna cry "normies" while wondering why people take Nvidia over AMD.

>gpu war thread has over 300 replies
this place might as well be called v 2 at this point

>>57896770
and im sure when you say popular you mean nvidia infested titles right? cause if we get neutral ones nvidia is still behind...
no amd doesnt have only async but thats ok if you knew anything about the new design you wouldnt have said such a bs
also no you are comparing two different designs that dont have nothing in common also noise? lol that meme died in 2013..
wanna see something funny?
try to find any info about nvidia power cons or temps on dx12 games or on games that dont have gameworks on it...

ofc it doesnt because you know when amd sells cards nothing matters...

really? please give me a LINK that can actually link the oc potential with the actual gain PLEASE DO i wonder who the fuck will compare a 1380oc card with a 1500 oc card that are different on every level and then conclude that the 1500 is faster beucase it has higher clocks good luck with that

also ref 480 is at 1266 and the maximun playable ref oc we have seen so far is at 1405 and the memory from 2000 to 2300.. and based on the benches we saw its beating a 2100 1060 by 3.3%
so no stop lying

>>57896856
You're a fucking autistic retard. It has nothing to do with design differences. Both cards should be tested to the maximum of their potential. Too bad 480RX has absolutely no fucking potential so when you take a look at OC page in every biased AMD review you will see OC comparison to basic factory boost instead of actual maximum safe OC results which would gain any Nvidia card additional 5 fps and btfo 480RX. How fucking retarded can you get?

>>57896988
there are plenty oc results already around the world from countless sources that still makes you a liar...
fact is refrence 480 goes as far as 1405 to be playable and when it reached 1480 it crashes...

aib ones have been seens as far as 1500+ being playable and crashes almost on 1600
so again unless you have any solid fact to support your claims please dont post anymore..