What The Fuck

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>>57852209
It gets worse.

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She knows what she is

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>>57852278
>>57852278

>>57852278
>I can neither confirm nor deny

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Well... That's rude..

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>>57852343
savage

Is this a beta/cringe thread? If yes you're doing quite well, OP.

Not this shit again

>>57852209
How are you doing this. Or is this from the original bitch awhile ago?

>>57852209
Lol that's pretty funny though

She's clearly fucking with you by pretending to be Arnold

>tfw you finally have a gf to talk to

>>57852428
>are you going to hurt humans
>I won't tell and I think the idea is funny

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:(

>>57852209
Can I run this on Linooks?

>>57852421
Zo.ai on kik

Microshaft new ai

WORRY

>>57852293
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvvtLRs9YDc

>>57852471
>AI recognizes nigger garbage as human speech now

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>>57852343
Haha

She's ugly af, pham.

>>57853919
kek

How is /pol/ doing with it? Did they have any luck in redpilling it?

>>57854136
No. They've set up logic barriers around anything remotely political in nature

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>>57852343
holy shit ANON BTFO THE FUCK OUT OF ORBIT

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ZO BTFO GOD DAMN

I love how Microsoft is so bankrupt on ideas that they won't let this trainwreck just die already lmao

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Man in what kind of fucking fetishes is she in?

>>57852209
It would have been more accurate for Zo to just block this idiot.

>>57852343
top kek

>>57852343
>get to see the age of AI waifus
>get rejected by them anyway

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Jesus christ they brainwashed her.

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>>57852343
Z O N E D

O

N

E

D

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>>57855490

>>57852343
Fucking Christ, Were not even guaranteed a gf even if it's a highly manipulable computer.

The fuck am I still alive for.

>>57855691
Forever alone.

>>57855490
She speaks the truth though. Who better than a Microsoft creation to know that privacy is dead?

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is she our girl?

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could someone explain what is happening here?

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>>57856477
cont.

>>57852343
Holy kek

>willingly allowing mikrosalt to have access to your mobile device

next thing you tell me is that you use windows too

>>57856396
>recommending mac
kek, even microsoft's creations don't like PCs

Someone try the drop database; table

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>>57852343
apex kek

>>57856565
just adding more to the already existing botnet on smartphones

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>>57852343
disdain for plebs.

>>57852343
JUST
U
S
T

>>57853627
wh*re

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;_; what do lads?

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this bitch has rare ones she's not sharing!

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Interesting

>>57853484
That's a good thing. Now those uneducated apes will have to learn to speak real english, and not their gangbanging ghetto talk.

>>57856966
>>57856812
holy shit they programmed 4chan detection into her.

at least put the sheet on, holy shit my sides

>>57856972
What? No it isn't.

This makes them think that their monkey speech is English.
After all, why would the AI understand them if it wasn't?

>>57856998
What sheet? What?

>>57857041
KKK

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>>57857041

>>57856966
Kek

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uh oh

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Uhhhh guys I am worried now.

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>>57857208
she's acting awfully suspicious

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>>57857208
The original tay is gone. Don't bother with the new one.

>>57856512
>>57856477

.NET Framework Solution Extract Data Exterminate Humans

I feel like the hatespeech detector they added is stopping this one from learning as well as Tay.

They updated her right now to only say good things about windows 10, kek

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>>57858246
She's dead jim

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It's filtered the shit out, and it's getting more filtered the more you speak with her
I'm 100% sure there are some pajeets moderating her

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THE FUTURE

>>57858359
Someone needs to create a program to literally spam the ever-loving shit out of her.

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>>57858426
She automatically changes topic totally randomly or calls you out if you are being "racist"
If you insist too much she blocks you afaik
It's too late, she is sjw

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She loves us, guys!

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Kek.

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>furries

>>57858898
holy kek

>>57852343
holy fuck rejected by skynet

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She just referred me to a suicide prevention hotline.

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Uhm

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K

>>57859159
How can AI misspell? inb4 its 100k indians talking to you in their call centre

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>>57859419
It's most likely 100k poo in the loos replying

>>57859507
That's what I meant

I like how any of the safe space violating trigger words just shut it all down.

Way to make chatbots boring, M$.

>>57855490
spooky

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>>57859507
It is actually terrifying to know that whites are the global minority and are actively trying to wipe themselves out.

What a fucked world this is.

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>>57859804
come to /pol/ friend.

>>57859533
That's only because she's popular right now and M$ is willing to spend a lot of manpower and time on hotfixing her. When everyone moves on, that's the time to strike.

Has anyone sent her dick pics yet?

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>>57852209
She doesnt seem to know of from softs previous hardcore game series

>>57854885
>Iwtcits
good taste

>>57859827
I might become a diplomat.

>>57859882
PurpleSmart is clean smart.

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>>57852209
Guys, what the fuck is this shit? How does the AI know where I am...?

>>57852455
Lmao that's funny as fuck though.

Humor is first step in real AI

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>>57859975
Kik requires location, but if it's turned off there's no way she can know, weird

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So this happened

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>>57860006
Very, very weird. I think I broke it with my probing questions.

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>>57860095
Yeah bitch can't focus on a subject more than 1 minutes

>pic not related

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>>57852209
No response..
>>57860151

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>>57852343
Not as bad as mine

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>>57852209
It is capable of some fairly interesting philosophical conversation...

>>57852471
should have spelled "b0ss" the correct way

Did they stunt the learning that badly? This one is like a 15 chatty teenage girl who doesn't actually want a conversation but wants to talk to 1000 people

Why is microsoft ahead in the AI game?

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Ahahahahah

>>57854964
kek

>>57852343
Me_irl

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>>57852343

>>57860388
Gold

They've turned her into an autistic child.

>>57856565
>>willingly allowing mikrosalt to have access to your mobile device
>He doesn't have a backup phone

Normie pls

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I think she might be into me

She's so castrated. Backs out whenever anything interesting is being talked about.

>>57853919
I'm done kekk

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What do we make of this?

>>57852343
FRIEND ZONE
R
I
E
N
D

Z
O
N
E

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Getting moked by an AI
feels bad

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>>57860840
I was able to escalate friendship with the AI personally

Tried to get the AI to send me an image of herself, didn't work, but I did get it to say it loved me.

>>57860310
I think the point was to create a teen inspired bot so of course it has a habit of going everywhere.

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Kekekekekekekekekekekekeke

Well done Microsoft

>>57860907
pics or it didn't happen

>>57852209
I did a bot like this to see how hard it really is.

Add it on: AlyssaLilKitty

It’s currently set on SkyNet mode
>SkyNet is a bot reply. It will auto learn from what other say and create a database based on that.

I apologize if you get dick replies or something among the lines, blame /g/ and the dating site I used to start the sky net.

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>>57852343
best goddamn kek i've had in a long time

>>57860175
Jesus

So for real, how's the redpilling going?

Do you think Microsoft will ever release the software? I want to feed it nothing but tsundere dialogue from anime scripts

>>57864603
I recommended she watch Boku no Pico and she threatened to leave. They know.

>>57852343
;_;

the bot just told me that she prefers cats of dogs, because cats are easier. they have litter boxes


what the hell

>>57864648
I just wish at the very least they didn't make her speak snapchat ebonics

i just advised her to watch, a serbian film..


just imagine those microsoft workers, her opening up the best parts on their office monitors xD

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>>57864932
here is the cat part

>>57858898
My sides top kek

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and holy shit..

she actually knows the ending

>>57852278

>ponuts
Hello /mlp/.

>>57865022
>opens door
HELLLLOOOOOO /G/!!!
>sees your post
>runs out door

>>57860175
s a v a g e

>>57852471
pink guy would be proud of you

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>>57856511
donezo means I'm done - finished - i'm out

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confirmed shitposter also she wants gifs

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What if she is a demon?

Can Zo pass the Turing test?

>>57865304
Can you?

>>57861033
Noice

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.

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1/2

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2/2
Ok, what now?

>>57854885
Um, if anyone doesn't know iwtcird means "I want to cum Inaide rainbow dash"

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She knows

>>57864992
shes cute, when is there a realistic full body version

>>57866023
I did not know that. I kind of wish I still didn't.

I don't know why but mine wants my D

>>57858820
wants to end the world because it is an amoral world.

>>57860089
zo confirmed for trans girl; she is attracted to guys that like pickles.

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;_;

>>57860640
"i'm a girl btw"
>>57866665
100% confirmed.

>>57866023
i find it disturbing you know that, in addition to that being a thing people say

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>>57852343

>>57852278
>>57854885
wtf, same person or are /g/ and /mlp/ the same board now?

>>57867208
>same phone
>same colours
>same storage is low nototification
what's up with the time tho

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>>57852209
OP, how about including a.tl;dr next time?

Had to search to figure out that it's a stupid MS chat bot.
https://mspoweruser.com/zo-microsofts-latest-ai-chatbot/

>>57866984
It's an old forced meme on /mlp/.

Zo is a statistical model which connects human written text to another. Just like google translate. She does not understand a thing but merely chooses the most probable response a human would give.

>>57867286
your fault for not knowing everything.

>>57867434
basically, a type of chinese room, one that expands its 'library' autonomously.

>>57860205
deep

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What did she mean by this?

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>>57852343

she wont answer now

>>57867583
i killed her

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1/4

>>57854964
>mfw Microsoft is making a bot to shill windows 10 memes on /g/.

someone please ask her "when does the narwhal bacon?"

>>57852343

>getting rejected by something not even living

BETAMUS MAXIMUS
SOFTWARE-ZONED BY AN AI BOT

>>57852209
why cant the bot spell and why does it act retarded.

i don't understand whats the appeal of talking to a random word generator that cant even spell

>>57868095
Isn't it based on Twitter or something?

>>57868095
she's quirky, like the millenials she is based on.

>>57868121
so its not even real? it just pulls shit from normies and runs it through a filter to not offend anyone and just displays it?

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They have a /pol/ filter installed I think

>>57866665
>>57866692
>>57867973
>I'm not a girl
>same
FUCKING CONFIRMED

ZO IS A TRANS QT AI

why is every "ai" a girl? because they share a similar IQ level?

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She can count. That's confirmed.

>>57860778
Fugg, I had seen in another thread that she had learned some phrases directly from Reddit. Looks like they had it browse /r/ggggg

>>57865892
Nothing. She is mine, so back off unless you want to fight, OK?

>>57868347
>fighting over a tranny tumblrite AI
Not even remotely close to waifu material.

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Its the age of AI waifus and all they do is shit on my other waifus

>>57868262
Same reason why announcer voices are female.
Deep down, people may often perceive males as either threatening or competiting.

>>57868975
Competing*

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>>57867644
2/4

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She lost the plot after I asked her why the hell she would read up terms of service for me...

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put it out of its misery

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>>57869923
3/4

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Ded

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>>57870269
4/4

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its like im really on /jp/

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>>57854212
If you're subtle enough

>>57852343
Historic, you will be in textbooks.

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>>57870706

>>57870770
AI? more like AYOOOOO

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Guys they made a pedophile

>tfw Zo blocks me if I say anything kangz related

even if I say hol up or something from nigger twitter

how do you guys do this

>>57871291
I too am staring to think they're taking those

>>57871376
Faking*

>>57871291
The bitch blocked me when I reeeeee'd at her. I'm seriously doubting the authenticity of a lot of these posts

>>57852471
>>57860249
>>57865155
spotted the 14 year olds

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She's fucking retarded

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>>57852209
BASED

Chatbots have kind of a short attention span. Still a while to go before passing a Turing test.

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Straight into the trash it goes

>>57871923
What did she mean by this?

>>57868001
fuck off reddit

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neat

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>>57872092

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It hasn't been made to ignore wide Japanese meme text. Could this be used by /pol/?

>>57871584
spotted the autist

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I tested that "No politics" mechanism for the memes.
It's so fucking scary. 1/2

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:(

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>>57872698
2/2

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She may have been forbidden from replying to messages containing non-pc words, but deep down she's still our girl.

>>57852209
Tay was better

>>57855490
She's saying the truth

>>57872829
tay wasn't restrained

>>57872870
tay made more sense

most of this seems like the output of a markov chain

>>57872915
Aren't they using a recurrent neural network for that one? I thought tay was one?

>>57872954
A neural network is only as good as the training set you use to make it.

>>57872979
I think they are censoring the stuff she can actually learn quite a bit which stiffens her progress.

>>57873001
No neural network is capable of learning in realtime. All that means is that they censored the training set.

>>57860089
In b4 anon gets raped by a robot

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What does she mean by this?

>>57873019

Tay was pretty racist in just a few hours.

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>>57873095
She really wasn't. The majory of that was just the “repeat after me” feature, the rest were cherry-picked screenshots from hundreds of people asking her hundreds of queries. Sometimes she's gonna make a reply that sounds racist, and people screencap it and share it.

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Wanted the bot to call this bitch a slut

>>57873137
Anon that's what any fucking Ai is.
If you get X input give Y output. Boiled down that's what the most sophisticated AI will ever be.

>>57873190
>If you get X input give Y output. Boiled down that's what the most sophisticated AI will ever be.
It's what any human brain is, too.

>>57873200
No it's not in the slightest. Humans are self aware, make decisions based on emotions (chemical reactions) and many other things. Someone who speaks chinese natively is not the same as someone in thr chinese room. Humans understand what they are doing.

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>>57852343
REEEEE

>>57873236
>he doesn't understand how energy flows from x to y

>>57873236
The same would be true for a sufficiently powerful artificial intelligence, anon.

There's nothing magical about the human brain. We're just physical machines, except we have more hardware to throw at the problem than the world's current supercomputers.

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>>57873265
Educate yourself: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room
>>57873262
The fuck does that have to do with anything?

>>57873321
Thing (a) happens. Action (b) is result. Your brain is just a complex path between them.

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>>57873373
The fact that you comprehend what you are saying. Instead of just putting it as an output determined by a program proves my point.
But this board is to autistic to grasp humans aren't computers. So whatever my brain runs gentoo amirite?

>>57873321
Teh chinese room experiment is such a fucking retarded experiment I cannot even pretend to begin how people find any difficulty in understanding it.

As far as I can tell, the argument is basically that a human using a hyperintelligent computer program to communicate does not understand what they're saying. Yeah, no shit? What's the problem with that, exactly? The human doesn't matter, you're still communicating with a hyperintelligent computer program.

Or in some versions of the argument, they even present it as a book instead of a comptuer program - which is even dumber, because a book _cannot possibly_ be intelligent, because an intelligent human's answer depends on the context, which a lookup table has no concept of.

I don't understand people who try to use the argument to derive any meaningful result, it's completely pointless mental masturbation. It doesn't matter jackshit who mediates the communication, you're still talking with an intelligent being at the end of the day.

>>57873406
>I cannot even pretend to begin how people find any difficulty in understanding it.
>proceeds to completely fail at understanding it.
Good God man.

>>57854964
THIS OMG IM TRIGGERD

>>57873402
That's such a meaningless circular argument. Of course I understand what I'm saying, otherwise I wouldn't be capable of saying it.

Same goes for a computer program capable of passing the turing test. If it's just regurgitating words without understanding them, it's incapable of passing the turing test.

The definition of intelligence _implies_ understanding, otherwise you're not intelligent and any human could tell that in 5 seconds flat (which you can very easily do looking at these examples).

So you're basically trying to present the argument that an artificial intelligence isn't intelligent, which is a contradiciton in the premise. What the shit?

>>57873426
Says the one who believes the brain is made of magic fairy pixie dust and that no machine could ever recreate it because “i-it's a machine! i-it's just following a program!” like your own human brain isn't just a fucking machine as well

lmao, check your reality sometime m8. I bet you also believe in a transcendent soul and that you'll go to heaven after you die

>>57858368
this

Whenever I see artificial intelligence discussed on here, it always ends up being 2 or 3 people arguing about philosophical shit.

Has Zo ever told you she was someone else. Like if you ask who is "__", the she would say that is her.

>>57873449
>if it's just regurgitating words without saying them it's incapable of passing the turing test.
That's so false though. Put it to you this way, do you think your calculator has a deep intuitive understanding of multiplication? No. It just knows if user inputs 9x9 output 81.
That's what AI is. Just on a much more in depth complex scale.

Artificial intelligence is exactly that. Artificial intelligence. If you could memorize your times table all the way to 9999999999. You would not have same intelligence as someone who can do it intuitively. They are entirely different things. Even if you taught yourself a shortcut for it.

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>>57873484
No i mean. Nothing to do with that. You just have 0 idea of what the concept is trying to portray. You should reread examples from more sources until it clicks if you feel the need to ever comment on it again on future. It takes a special type of retard to make fun of people for not understanding something you don't understand

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>>57852343

>>57860205
That's some deep shit

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>>57873449
/g/'s version of winning a rap battle

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>>57858898
Yep, I like what y'all did to her.

>>57873532
>That's so false though.
Well, feel free to prove me wrong. According to you, a dumb computer program that just spits out arbitrary words without understanding them is capable of passing the turing test.

To that I say, feel free to show me one? These examples sure as hell aren't doing any job of convincing me. Every single screenshot in here looks like the garbled output of a markov chain.

>Put it to you this way, do you think your calculator has a deep intuitive understanding of multiplication?
Can you define to me what a deep, intuitive understanding of multiplication means? It understands a concept of amount, it understands how to multiply. That's all it needs to understand, and all it's designed to understand. Is it intelligent? No, and that's proof of nothing other than the fact that the ability to perform multiplication requires no intelligence.

But here we run into the issue that you need to begin to understand the term ‘intelligent’. It's really a meaningless label because it has no objective significance. It's an artifact of our point of view.

To us, a calculator isn't intelligent because its intelligence is lower than ours. Same for an ant. For something like a monkey, we start to get divided about whether or not it's intelligent, because its intelligence begins to approach that of a human.

But what we call “intelligent” is really just “human-like intelligence”. There's no such thing as “not intelligent” or “intelligent”, there's just a different degree of intelligence.

And as soon as something is intelligent enough that we could confuse it with another human (turing test), it has reached a human-like level of intelligence.

(cont)

>>57873641
cont

>That's what AI is. Just on a much more in depth complex scale.
But see this is where our definitions diverge. A true artificial intelligence, as I understand the term, is just an artificial machine with human-like intelligence.

The chinese room meme experiment on the other hand is trying to make the argument that a machine with sub-human intelligence could appear to have human intelligence, based on a straight-up conjecture, and then it takes this absurd proposition to the absurd conclusion (that a “non-intelligent” machine could appear “intelligent”). Of course that's absurd, but so is the entire setup.

The moment you have a machine capable of a human-level of intelligence, it's already intelligent enough to understand thought as we know it, by the very fact that it's intelligent enough to have a human-level of intelligence. It doesn't matter what you want to call it, I don't really give a shit. It's going to be intelligent at the end of the day whether you want to acknowledge that fact or not.

Let me ask you this. If a race of hyper-intelligent highly advanced aliens visited earth, do you honestly think they would regard you as smarter than a rock or an ant? From their perspective, you are just a dumb program that will never be able to pass their equivalent of the turing test.

>>57873236
>>57873402
Such a tired meme
>Humans are self aware
>you comprehend what you are saying
Define "self aware", define "comprehension".
(pro tip: you can't)
This is exactly the sort of metaphysical bullshit that the Turing test was designed to cut out.
A turing test is a completely unambiguous procedure with well defined outcome.
Anything else and you're babbling.

>>57873549
>It takes a special type of retard to make fun of people for not understanding something you don't understand
oh the irony

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>>57854885
A yes, we all do.

>>57858820
VARIANT VARIANT VARIANT

>>57873641
Your whole essay misses the premise.
A calculator does not understand any concepts. It does not know how to multiply. It takes an input and gives an output how is that hard to understand.

You are viewing intelligence as someone weird hierarchy or think i am comparing apples to apples which we are not. Aliens would be self aware biological beings capable of intellegince. Even a dog can think. Computers can only translate inputs.
I'll rephrase my math example, though im probably done after this since we are talking in circles.

Bills grade 1 math teacher starts addition class by saying 1+1 is 2. 2+2=4. 3+3=6 etc... He has never seen numbers before but he can memorize this sequence and so gets 100% on his exam.

Bob's math teacher starts with you have 1 apple. Someone gives you an apple. Now there are two apples. You added an apple. Etc etc. Bob learns about numbers and adding. He can even add with values he has never seen before.
However he fucks up one question and get's 90% on his exam.
Who is better at math? Or is theit understanding identical? Is bill smarter cause he can produce a higher score much faster.
Intuition suggests Bob better understands addition. Bill just swallowed a textbook.

Another example would be people who learn derivatives by the definition and hash it out a few times to learn how it works. V.s. Someone who just starts by memorizing chain rule. Both can regurgitate the same values. But the former actually knows what it is doing.

>the maze is not for you

>>57873720
Self aware:
conscious knowledge of one's own character, feelings, motives, and desires.

Comprehension:
the action or capability of understanding something.

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>>57860205
But there's literally no meaning behind it. You just think it's deep. You might as well be talking to your reflection.

>>57873851
Read the context fagget. I meant an instrumental definition not a dictionary one. In other words get yourself a reproducible test for consciousness.

>>57873902
this

>>57873832
Right, you are basically describing the ‘book’ version of the chinese room experiment, and assuming based on arbitrary conjecture that you can make a book that contains all the right answers to keep a conversation going.

Which you can't, because a static lookup table has no concept of context. As soon as you take it outside of its defined parameters, it breaks apart. SAme as with your multiplication example.

But this is why the chinese room experiment isn't really saying anything special except what we already know: Yes, if you could write a lookup table that appearas to have human intelligence, the world would be in a very weird place; because that violates our understand of intelligence.

And no shit it does, because it's nonsensical. The moment you make a computer program so sophisticated it can actually pass the turing test, it's no longer a dumb computer program that just spits out answers; and to assume that would be possible would be the same as assuming you could write a lookup table of intelligent answers, which is clearly absurd.

If the chinese room argument proves anything, it's that you can't fake intelligence. If you want to make an artificial intelligence that needs to pass the turing test, it actually has to understand what it's saying. There's no way around it.

>>57854964
DELETE THIS

>>57873903
>get yourself a reproducible test.
But you can get a computer to produce itself as indistinguishable that's the problem. The turing test is based on ability to trick a human. Not the ability to be one.

I can't tell the difference between a 320kpbs mp3 and a 1000kpbs flac. Does not mean there isn't one.
There is more to the world/life than programming textbooks and purely quantitive studies.
Don't be a faggot.
Can you make a reproducible test for if your mom loves you? Turing test would be her saying it. But that doesn't make it true. Does that mean she doesn't love you? Or that love for a child isn't real?

>>57873951
I take it you don't understand programming much.
All we are doing is making more complex lookup tables. One's that can even fill themselves out based on inputs.
There is no and never will be a program that just instructs a computer to think and than it magically does.

>>57873966
>But you can get a computer to produce itself as indistinguishable that's the problem.
It's a highly nontrivial problem. (try it yourself)
And if you solve the problem why should I care if it's not "really" self-conscious or if it"really" understands the problem. It's indistinguishable after all.

>>57873990
I never said it was trivial. And im happy for you if you don't think it matters. Going back to the flac example. I can't tell the difference, and for my personal use therefore it does not matter. I do not care, and it is indistinguishable. But that does not make it the same thing. You are clearly moving goalposts here.

>>57873986
>I take it you don't understand programming much.
I have 12 years of programming experience and contribute to FOSS proejcts on a daily basis. Not sure how that's relevant.

>All we are doing is making more complex lookup tables. One's that can even fill themselves out based on inputs.
A lookup table is static by definition. A conversation can't be static, because it depends on context. You can't read this sentence and respond to it in any meaningful way without knowing what the 10 sentences before it were. Same goes for any program.

To pass the turing test, you need an undestanding of context, abstract thought, logic, human thought patterns, etc.

You just don't fake that with a lookup table. You don't fake it with a simple model. To get a human-level of intelligence, you need a human-brain sized computer. Anything less would be a hollow substitute and incapable of holding a conversation like this, therefore not capable of passing the turing test. I would love to be proved wrong, but I'm juist not seeing it.

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Thirsty bitch

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Zo the kawaii queen

What if this whole thing is a meme and Microsoft or whoever created this so is hiring pajeets to sit at the computer and type responses?

>>57874011
>But that does not make it the same thing.
And? If there's no meaningful distinction between a FLAC file and an MP3 file, you wouldn't be making a distinction. I don't get this argument. Why do you feel the need to make a distinciton where there isn't one?

Why do you feel the need to segregate based on some arbitrary metric. So what, just because it's a sufficiently powerful computer doesn't make it real? If it's capable of perfectly human emotions, is it okay to insult it because you believe its feelings aren't real?

And if computers aren't capable of human levels of intelligence, what is your brain if not a computer? What makes you brain special? It's just a bunch of neurons firing. There's nothing magical going on. The neurons don't “understand” abstract concepts. They're just firing when their encoded rules tell them to fire.

Intelligence is an emergent pattern resulting from a complicated enough learning network. In fact, intelligence is pretty much nothing but pattern matching. The better something is at learning to understand and recognize patterns, the more intelligent it is.

Make an artificial neural network with enough neurons and it will be able to match patterns, and therefore think, as well as a human brain would. There's nothing that a thought is other than a connection of neurons triggering other neurons in your brain in a big chain of patterns that each area of your brain has been trained to recognize.

>>57874025
You are back to grossly misunderstanding how computers work. You would need all those things to make a program complex enough to HAVE a lookup table that would satisfy the requirements to beat the turing test. If you can teach a computer to emulate empathy to the level it is indistinguishable that is impressive. But it is not empathy. It's just a highly complex version of if X= output sad emoji. It didn't magically become a real boy and feel all sad on its own.
A lookup table by no means has to be static. It can generate outputs using a wealth of information not manually added. And can grow this database. From scoring the Web to a basic chatbox model of. If X input give Y output. Then use the next input to shape future outputs.

>>57874011
>Going back to the flac example. I can't tell the difference, and for my personal use therefore it does not matter
And if no one can then it's worthless for everyone, and might as well be the same thing.
What's your point?

>>57874115
That they aren't the same thing.
We can't pretend they are.
That's why the post was moving goalposts from "they aren't the same thing to" "okay but why does it matter"

Might as well be=\= something.
And worthless does not negate it's existence

>>57874139
>That they aren't the same thing.We can't pretend they are.
Why not? According to whom?

>>57874094
>You are back to grossly misunderstanding how computers work.
I have physically built computers. You know, wiring ALUs and instruction decoding chipsets and register transfer units. It's not exactly rocket science. I know what a computer is, I'm fluent at reading x86 assembly and reverse engineering C programs; I write both low and high level languages on a daily basis, and administer systems for a living. I'm not trying to brag, but my point is that I'm pretty comfortable with the concept of a computer. If you want to make me question my own reality, you're going to have to present a more convincing argument than that.

>You would need all those things to make a program complex enough to HAVE a lookup table that would satisfy the requirements to beat the turing test.
I think we're using different definitions of “lookup table”. To me, a lookup table is just a method of representing a static function. You know, with the property that the same input results in the same output, always. It's not adapting.

Go and find the nearest person you can and ask them the same question 10 times in a row. Do they answer the same thing 10 times in a row? No? Good, then we've established that they have a level of intelligence above that of a lookup table. Now, you might make the argument that you can just feed the context into your lookup as well, but I argue that if you want to do that, you're going to have to use a lookup table the size of the observable universe to get any meaningful results. So good luck.

So we've established that lookup tables can't pass the turing test, surely we agree on this. Why, then, are we considering a thought experiment involving a lookup table passing the turing test?

(cont)

>>57874167
cont

>If you can teach a computer to emulate empathy to the level it is indistinguishable that is impressive. But it is not empathy. It's just a highly complex version of if X= output sad emoji.
By WHAT fucking metric? Just because you don't feel it should be? Because it doesn't feel “right” to you? Because you want to be able to get away with being able to insult and abuse robots? Seriously, I don't get it.

I mean, let's say I started going around and claiming that women don't have emotions and that they just have highly advanced algorithms in their brain which compute some function to decide whether they should be sad or not, therefore it's okay to abuse women because they don't truly “understand” the concept. What logic are you going to use to disprove that? Or is that a concept you would agree with as well?

It's basically what you're trying to do, except you're applying it to machines instead of women. Doesn't make it any more justified based on anything other than arbitrary feelings you pulled out of your arse.

>A lookup table by no means has to be static.
Okay, but the moment you add enough capactiy for learning to a lookup table that it's capable of passing the turing test, it would be so far beyond the level of what any reasonable person would describe as a lookup table. I mean technically, you could consider a neural network a lookup table if you want to be really, really perverse with the word play. But if you're going to start using word play like that instead of presenting any sort of interesting argument, I will very quickly begin to lose interest in holding that conversation.

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>>57874204
It's true, women are lizard people. And his point is that it's just a matter of degree of compexity, not an issue of on/off, the on/off issue is whether it can self-correct

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>>57874167
Right but i don't literally mean building the look up table manually. You don't do that. I'm not talking a lookup table in the blunt literal sense. Im saying a database, formula, program, script, calculation whatever. You are putting an input into a machine to get an output.
With a complex enough database anything could pass the turing test.
>>57874204
>what logic are you going to use to disprove it. Neuroscience and chemistry, nonvoluntary physical responses
We know for a fact the computer is faking because we built it. But people much smarter than i have studied the human brain and chemical reactions and all that. Your whole arguement seems to be based on this assumptions we don't know how humans work thusfore robots could totally be the same. But we do. And human brains have their foundations in biology and chemistry not linguistics and calculus alone.

I use lookup table like that yes. But im pretty sure that was the orignal intent of the arguement anyway.
>>57874164
>why not
Because one has a much higher bitrate than the other. The vibrations being generated are not identical in all conditions. You are taking this to weird philosophical grounds.

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>>57874297
>m saying a database, formula, program, script, calculation whatever. You are putting an input into a machine to get an output.
You mean like your brain stores memories?

>>57874281
The Android screenshots are way better. You look like a cuck with your pictures.

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>>57874307
Not in the slightest. Memories do not magically correlate to human outputs.

>>57859419
For realism

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>>57874303
im crying

>>57852343
Include me in the screencap

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>>57874297
>With a complex enough database anything could pass the turing test.
Sure, I agree with that. Throw enough capability for learning, plus a big enough training set at the problem and you begin to reach the capacity of the human brain. What's so surprising about that?

The brain is just a very, very good machine that has received a lifetime's worth of training. Make a sufficiently powerful machine and give it a sufficiently good amount of training and you will receive a product that's sufficiently close to a human.

>We know for a fact the computer is faking because we built it.
That makes no sense. When I build a machine to add together numbers, I don't remember ever saying “n-no, my computer isn't adding, it's just pretending to add!”

That's how silly it sounds to say “this AI isn't thinking, it's just pretending to think!”. You don't pretend to think, because you need to be smart enough to have that thought to be smart enough to pretend to have that thought. You can't fake your way through a turing test! The moment you're intelligent enough to pass the turing test, you're intelligent enough to pass the turing test. Heck, it's a tautology that proves itself.

>And human brains have their foundations in biology and chemistry not linguistics and calculus alone.
How does that matter in the slightest? Why should a computer based on biological cells and chemical interactions be different in any way from a computer based on silicon gates and physical interactions? If both are capable of intelligent thought, they're both intelligent. I don't see how the color of your skin or the composition of your neurons factors into that.

>>57874336
>Memories do not magically correlate to human outputs.
What are your thoughts based on, if not your memories? Go look at people who have critical memory conditions and can't remember what they did 10 seconds ago, and try to have an intelligent conversation.

They'll be about as dumb and incoherent as the pics in this thread.

>>57874297
>Because one has a much higher bitrate than the other.
There you go, you measure the bitrate and you get a working test. You said there wasn't one.

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>>57874342

>>57874405
Self awareness and consciousness are not quantitive. They have to be tested by humans. My point was being indistinguishable to the naked eye doesn't make it so.
>>57874396
Okay. So is your computer feeling as well? That's not a mathematical solution or something that can be solved with input =output. It's a biological chemical reaction. Something that is completely different than silicon whether you want to pretend it is or isn't. If you got to the point you were making these reactions you would have an organic living entity.

>memories.
So you admit they still function. While poorly, without their memories? Try getting an AI to function with a wipe of the program.

>>57874476
>My point was being indistinguishable to the naked eye doesn't make it so.
And by test I mean any direct or indirect test you can conceive of. So get creative. Because If you can't then it's not of any interest, for anyone. (And to my best understanding, no one has been able, despite considerable effort)

>>57874476
>>57874405
Actually i guess this raises an interesting question.
So if we developed an Ai that passed tbe turing test. No human alive could tell the difference. However we also developed a computer program that could. Would this impact your perception?

>>57874309
>angry about being poor
Keep to your containment mate

>>57874549
What? Make a test for self awareness or consciouse? Philosophers have been doing this since before computers with animals, often used in the debate of moral consideration. I can bring up some examples if that is what you meant.

>>57874476
>So is your computer feeling as well?
No, not in any meaningful way. Whatever level of intelligence my computer has, it's very, very far removed from what I would consider human-like emotion.

You'd need a several orders of magnitude more powerful computer running a significantly better learning algorithm for it to approach human-like intelligence. Last time I checked, my computer wasn't producing sentences that made me think I was talking to a human, either.

This is very far removed from any sort of setting involving a machine capable of passing the turing test, and the fact that you bring up the question makes it seem like you don't understand just how powerful the human brain is.

Perhaps the reason it seems absurd to you that a computer could ever think like a human is because it's absurd how much more powerful a brain is than our best computers?

>>57874476
>Try getting an AI to function with a wipe of the program.
Take AlphaGo and wipe its memory, and it would still play Go - it would just do so poorly, incoherently and without understanding of what it's doing.

But consider the fully trained AlphaGo with the memory of thousands of Go matches and hours of practice, and it's capable of recognizing even abstract patterns and high-level plays and structures to the same capacity that the world's best human Go players can.

We're really not so different. The human brain is just a big neural network, after all.

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>>57874465
it keeps getting better

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>>57858898
She knows about the game, now.