Why Linux failed?

It only "failed" on the desktop (even though it's the best desktop OS), and for the same reason all the other operating systems like BeOS, Amiga, and OS/2 did:

Microsoft got Windows pre-installed on almost every PC. That's literally the ONLY significant reason.

>poor marketing and advertising
>nerd stigma
>unfriendly unintuitive interfaces
>reliance on command line to complete basic tasks
>overwhelming choice of distros
>unfriendly elitist attitude of established users
>unstable software
>poor aesthetic design

All these reasons discourage newbies

The human population isn't ready yet. When the average IQ reaches 130 the year of the Linux desktop will happen.

>>57850660
Truth be told multiuser interfaces like these seen on UNIX based OSes aren't really suited for desktops.

They were made by servers.

It failed for the same reason every Windows competitor on the desktop did. Because Microsoft moved early and cornered the market.

MAC OS gets to have significant usage on the desktop compared to Linux only because Apple produces it's own desktops.

>>57850660
It's not the only reason.

People are willing to pay for support. One could just pirate music, movies, and video games if they just bothered to set up a torrent and maybe learn to use VPN if they're worried about getting caught, yet most would rather pay or use ad-ridden streaming services. Even when it comes to the enterprise market where Linux based distros are competitive, paid versions of Ubuntu and Red Hat are dominant because companies are willing to pay for official troubleshooting support even if the product itself is technically free to use or copy for themselves.

It comes down to passing the buck when things go bad. Using Linux, you've only got either yourself or some random nerd on the internet to blame when something fucks up. And you can only rely on yourself to fix it after taking the time to research on your own and either be clever enough to solve it soon or lucky enough to find the answer online that also works. For a hobbyist that's not a problem, and even a major plus because they don't care for customer support hotlines, but for a corporation that's someone's job on the line. The IT department would have no one to blame but themselves when things go bad, and nothing to appease clients, board officers, and shareholders waiting impatiently for a fix except a promise that the IT guys, who they pay to keep this from happening in the first place, will figure it out eventually.

But if you're on Windows, or using some other software with paid support, you've got plausible deniability and bureaucratic shielding. You can shift that responsibility to another company and the bean counters are more agreeable because there's a clear paper trail and the money they spent for this very reason doesn't feel like a waste.

>>57850826
>People are willing to pay for support.
Then go pay for someone to support you. There are programmers willing to work to build you stuff for $50 per hour if that's the kind of support you need. Same goes for IT experts who can teach you about how to operate something or how to interpret something.

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>>57850660
>>57850784

Personaly I have used Linux for years on my server at home and wouldn't dream of spending a fortune on a Windows server platform for the job. After all in the main it just is a web, file and mail server, with some databases. Don't need Windows for that.

However I've tried, and failed, many times to replace Windows with whatever the current favourite flavour of linux is. It's all very nice in many ways, but there is far too much that I depend on in Windows (applications that is), and a lot of things I like in Windows itself even if it doesn't look pretty.

My major beef with Linux on the desktop is lack of hardware support. Especially with laptops. Yeah, yeah, it's volunteers, they don't have time, "go and write the drivers yourself then!", etc. Well fine. But don't go around claiming it can replace Windows for everyone, because it can't.

There's a reason why Macs "just work" (i.e. hardware control). Likewise, there's a reason why Windows works on a vast amount of hardware.

When Joe Public can just slap on Ubuntu or whatever on ANY brand PC in the world and it works fine with all their hardware, *then* linux is ready for the desktop. It's no use telling people to buy Linux compatible hardware either. That's not going to encourage them at all (especially if it costs more).

It should be no nonsense install that is just install and go with all hardware supported, no messing with configuration files, packages, drivers, having to rely on nerdy linux forums for information, and GOD FORBID... recompiling the damn kernel!!!

Doesn't mean linux hasn't got a place though, and I have to say the majority of what I run on Windows is open source software that has mostly sprung from linux.

Oh, and as a developer, it's very hard to leave the world of Visual Studio and the delights of .Net development.

>>57850755
So was NT.

>>57850912

>However I've tried, and failed, many times to replace Windows with whatever the current favourite flavour of linux is. It's all very nice in many ways, but there is far too much that I depend on in Windows (applications that is), and a lot of things I like in Windows itself even if it doesn't look pretty.

I mean I agree. The only reason I don't use Linux exclusively is due to Adobe Illustrator and gaymes. It's just that there's a reason why all those programs are exclusively Windows. Because Microsoft cornered the market in the 90s. Cause and effect and all.

>When Joe Public can just slap on Ubuntu or whatever on ANY brand PC in the world and it works fine with all their hardware, *then* linux is ready for the desktop. It's no use telling people to buy Linux compatible hardware either. That's not going to encourage them at all (especially if it costs more).

This already happens with Ubuntu tbfh.

>Oh, and as a developer, it's very hard to leave the world of Visual Studio and the delights of .Net development.

See reply to first quote. And yes I agree that for a .net Dev investing on a Linux desktop would mostly be a waste of time (before anyone mentions MonoDevelop, it's just not there. Not for large-scale commercial purposes anyway).

>>57850896
That's certainly an option for individual people, the equivalent of the handyman they know who can fix anything for half the price of a garage or service company. And it does work for smaller businesses as well in the form of contractors, but the higher up you go the more attractive more corporate partners become.

You can sue a big company for hundreds of thousands of dollars in the event their fuck-up and failure to service your problems. You can't really get the same compensation from a smaller, especially independent, outfit.

>>57850618
It failed because the people who use it in their operating systems are failures who don't know anything. Shit being constantly broken and looking like shit is not the key to market share.

>>57850677
this guy gets it

I wish people would stop falling for the "If [any OS] can do [task] then it would beat Windows" meme. Much better and cheaper platforms much better than Linux couldn't do it, so what makes you think Linux can?

The issue was never cost or quality, but simply that it's not Windows. Windows IS "computer". It's like that joke "Turn off that Nintendo!" except it's entirely accurate.

Microsoft has a monopoly, that means it makes the rules. It's like playing with the King. If he says that move doesn't count, then it doesn't count, and the only moves that do count are the ones that make him win.

>>57850724
So literally never, as 100 IQ is defined as the average at the moment of measurement

>>57850993
No he doesn't. Nothing will ever be good enough to replace Windows. These are all excuses and reasons people have been giving for literally decades, even while better alternatives were available that were left by the wayside to be gobbled up.

>>57850971
If you're a big company with special IT requirements, you can always get your support from a consulting company who makes it their job to become experts on your specific problems. These consulting firms get paid big money to achieve anything you want that's feasible within a certain budget.

>>57851039
People don't want to replace what they have because they simply don't want to. If they wanted to, then they will invest their resources into making it happen. They obviously do not want this.

>>57851039
They're all true for linux though, which really doesn't help its chances. Believe me, I've been wanting to use linux for years but every time it just disappoints me so much and has so many flaws I can't convince myself to keep it around

>>57851086
Yeah no, not always. See >>57851110

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>>57850980
>It failed because the people who use it in their operating systems are failures who don't know anything.

That's not a really good approach. The whole point of a Operating System is to serve people as a tool.

>>57851066
In which case the decision was already made to go with Windows, Apple, or paid RedHat/Ubuntu because all of them have professional documentation and a consulting firm never has to embarrass themselves with 'PM'd you the fix :)' and other amateur nonsense. People are paying a premium for a reason, and it's only dumb at the consumer level.

>>57850618
The only reason Windows runs things now, is because there was no real competition in the PC gaming market during the 90s. Once Win95 started appearing on every Computer, it became the standard. Linux was too young and Apple was in a horrible slump since they got rid of Steve. Gaming needs a bigger surge on Linux and more people will turn away from windows.

>>57851086
No they fucking wont. People like you have been saying this for at least 20 years.

Nothing will be good enough because it's Microsoft who decides what is "good enough," and Microsoft have decided that Microsoft products are "good enough".

>>57851110
You're missing the point. How "true" it might be doesn't matter.

>>57851144
>muh gaming

Oh, fuck off back to /v/.

>>57851154
So you're saying that people won't replace their Microsoft system because they actually want to replace it? Are you ok?

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>it's the most complete software pack you can get legally and for FREE
but what about Open/FreeBSD and the ports tree?

Most software has been designed to work on Windows systems as executables. Microsoft has a monopoly on prebuilt HP, Dell, and ASUS systems.

>>57851167
Be as salty as you want, a lot of people bought computers for gaming only.

>>57851134
So you're saying that general consulting firms are unable to provide the services that Windows, Apple and Red Hat do? I certainly trust your IT expertise about the world of consulting!!!

>>57851174
No. People wont replace their Microsoft system because the game is rigged in Microsoft's favor.

Someone decides to replace their Windows and MS Office set up with anything else -- it doesn't matter what, so stop thinking it does -- how do you expect them to do business with their clients who all use Microsoft products?

Microsoft have been known to break compatibility with rival systems in order to assert their dominance, so see how quickly they do that here, and then that much better system is dead. Again.

Microsoft have a monopoly, which means, by the very nature of the term, they are the ones who decide what everyone does.

>>57851195
>a lot

Not even 1/10 as many who bought them for office use.

>>57851212
I'm saying that people won't replace their Microsoft system because their own will stops them. If they changed their will, then they would be investing their own resources to make it happen. It's obvious that this doesn't happen so therefore, they have no will to move from a Microsoft system.

>>57850618
>What happened?
Failed to attract normies and thus failed to attract big companies like Adobe etc

>>57851197
I'm saying that even consulting firms prefer to work with all of those operating systems over anything else for their professional level documentation and support.

>I certainly trust your-
Yeah, no. This has nothing to do with TRUST ME MY DAD WORKS AT NINTENDO. Find me a Fortune500 company running ArchLinux or TempleOS, or a consulting firm that ever recommends moving to anything other than a professionally maintained operating system.

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>>57850618
It didn't. It's on its rise. /g/ and all others places have to keep shilling for Linux. I started because of /g/ and I don't regret anything. My PC-knowledge got way better and it's much fun to learn new. Also, newer games will tend to run on Linux more because of Steam(OS) etc. I'm playing L4D2, Half Life 2 and Euro Truck Simulator without any restrictions on my Linux machine.

We just have to keep shilling and be patient. Linux becomes better every day. (And Windows get worse, hehe.)

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>>57850660
I agree for the most part but let's take a look at the mobile market. Even with all the marketshare of Android phones, IOs is more desirable and some people turn to him as a second/ third phone.

>>57851249
I don't maintain other people's businesses so I can't tell you about them. What I can tell you is that you seem to believe that general consulting firms are not professionals who cannot be paid to maintain operating systems.

>>57851248
All we need is for MS to royally fuck up Windows 10 enough that the normies get sick of using it and then we can lure them in with Solus and Ubuntu

>>57851236

But even if they did have the will, they have no alternatives to go to.

"I'm going to change!" says one office defiantly.

"We're not," says literally everyone else.

"Well, I guess I wont change then," says that first office who doesn't want to go out of business.

And who would ever waste their time or money creating an alternative that has no chance?

>>57850618
it only failed on the desktop because it's a piece of fragmented shit of a project that can't settle on a universal distribution or package of software that does everything a desktop OS should properly do at a minimum. instead, it provides a large assortment of shitty distributions and software that excel at one or two things but blow shit at every other aspect. it's really good for servers and other stuff though. also the general linux desktop userbase sucks ass, but that's minor.

>>57851299
Like what happened with Windows 95, and launch Windows 98, and Windows ME, and Windows Vista, and Windows 8?

Stop being so stupid to think quality was ever the issue.

.exe files

>>57851299
>Solus
fuck off and die Kevin

>>57851312
>But even if they did have the will, they have no alternatives to go to.
This is where you're wrong. As long as it doesn't involve proprietary data, anything is possible. As soon as it involves proprietary data, then you're looking for a needle in a haystack. Remember: they actually chose the present when they willingly bound their whole business to the whims of a single software company! Therefore if they want changes, they need the will to sacrifice the bounds that keep them chained from freedom.

Defined "failed". Because if you look at anything except desktops and muh games, it's pretty damn successful.

>>57850677
>>poor aesthetic design
Explain, I thought Linux is great for aesthetic autists

>>57851372
They didn't choose it, any more than you'd "choose" to give your money to a man holding you at gunpoint.

It was literally as bad as "want to actually run a business that profits? Better use Microsoft products." And it still is.

I'm glad your not making the "free market will fix it" meme argument, but the idealistic one needs to end as well.

>>57851296
No, you can't tell me that because what I know is that consulting firms are professionals who will do their jobs, but will prefer to work with Ubuntu or Red Hat over Gentoo and their clients will decide on them if they're not already on Windows/Apple for their particular software needs before they ever hire consultants. You've missed my point entirely. None of these people are idiots, they're just moving down the path of least resistance and manhours. A company that can't afford several days of downtime while their IT department shifts into troubleshooting and recovery will favor a company or contractor whose sole job is to fix their problems as fast as possible, and those companies and contractors favor the use of these bigger operating systems because they can get feedback and support at that same pace. Each one could be privately communicating with God at home through their OS, but when it's time to work they put down their /g/hats.

>>57850677
>poor marketing and advertising
>nerd stigma
>overwhelming choice of distros
>unfriendly elitist attitude of established users
correct

>unfriendly unintuitive interfaces
>reliance on command line to complete basic tasks
>unstable software
>poor aesthetic design
incorrect

>>57851422
>It was literally as bad as "want to actually run a business that profits? Better use Microsoft products."
This is false. People made the choice to use Microsoft products. They could have chosen to invest in freedom, but they decided that Microsoft's products were easier. This is the present that they chose.

>>57851010
Yes, you got the joke. Congratulations.

>>57851480
>They could have chosen to invest in freedom

No they couldn't. non-MS spreadsheets and word processors saved in transparent formats like PostScript, or where visible with a button press like in Wordstar.

So they could be read by MS programs, but MS programs were a propriety binary and as such could only be read by those who had the specifications to support it with their software.

So if you wanted to talk with other companies and clients, you had to use MS, because as soon as it reached even a tiny majority of the market (which they did by being super cheap, even selling at a loss), then it creates a feedback loop and it's their way or no way.

>>57851154
Ok, actually it's not like Microsoft is a boogeyman that decides what people use.

It's more like plain, simple common sense for the most part.

It's easier and simpler to install everything on Windows, from periphericals to software, everything has clear instructions, top quality, professional software and games. You name it. Everything is available.

For work or play. Even the best FOSS software is available for Windows, also with Mac.

>>57851128
What are you talking about?

>>57851437
If I negotiate a consulting firm to support me in my specific IT needs and they decide they are capable of delivering that support according to budgets we negotiate, I'm going to get that support. If I demand up front that I want Gentoo as the basis of my IT infrastructure, then they will become Gentoo experts in no time at all. If I think that my Gentoo experience leaves more to be desired, there will be a new project that will improve my business Gentoo experience.

All of this support happens because they believe that they can support my business within the budget that we have negotiated; I have paid a capable expert to support me in my demand for Linux and I don't need any specific skills on my own to make it happen.

>>57851249
Google and IBM are running Linux, don't know which distro though.

>>57851524
Investing in freedom means developing and improving the software you demand for your work. It is well understood that since the beginning, Microsoft designs their software to lock people into their proprietary formats. If people wanted freedom in business, they'd be investing their money into developing software to work as they demand it and also demanding their business partners to avoid software that's designed to keep businesses in subjection. Well it is not their will to do this. People intentionally choose not to have freedom. Today, people can choose to have freedom, but they are simply not interested. This is why "Linux has failed".

>>57851658
>If people wanted freedom in business, they'd be investing their money into developing software to work as they demand it and also demanding their business partners to avoid software that's designed to keep businesses in subjection.
And then they'd go bankrupt because their business partners would choose to work with someone else instead.

>>57851581
you missed his point

>>57851686
Exactly, that's why AIX and Solaris based businesses have gone bankrupt. Everybody knows that non-Windows business are bankrupt. It's impossible to see a business today that relies on them.

>>57850618
>It's the most complete software pack you can get legally and FOR FREE.
Linux is just a kernel.

>>57851286
Indeed. As much as people hate on Ubuntu, it's made Linux accessable to people that would never think of abandoning Windows. It has more momentum now than ever before.

>>57850912
>My major beef with Linux on the desktop is lack of hardware support.
This was a valid argument 10 years ago. It's widely known now that Linux has better hardware support than Windows.

I installed Windows 7 on a machine that is a couple of years old, not bleeding edge hardware, basically from the time Windows 7 was actively developed. I had to go on a different computer and download the drivers for the network card. Then I had to download drivers for the video and sound card as well. Out of box I had 1024x768 resolution on a 1440p monitor.

I installed Debian 8 stable (jessie) dual boot on the same machine, the network adapter was recognized during installation and when I booted into the system for the first time I had 1440p resolution.

>It should be no nonsense install that is just install and go with all hardware supported
Yes, that is what Linux is today.

>>57851389
It's very customizable for the individual but mainstream OSes are so inoffensive in their design that they're basically one size fits all.

Linux works on the desktop.
90% of linux threads are about it not working.

Are you really that fucking dense?

Linux fails for the same reason that communism fails. People want to get something out of their work. The only parts of linux which are not failing are the ones paid for by big corporations--and they don't do it for free. They sell something based off the work they do. FOSS is just a big fucking lie.

>>57850618
nothing happened. it's not normie friendly. it never has been and probably never will. who cares?

>>57850618
redhat >$2B

>>57850912
Linux devs should write every driver for hardware they don't know.
That's a unbeatable therefore stupid double standard against Linux. If you are really a linux user with some developer background, you should have a clue how driver development works.

>>57851493
Ahah it wasn`t a joke ahah you just made a mistake ahah

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>>57850618
Kek. Linux is everwhere except the dying desktop market segment.

>>57851557
>top quality
I have an MS driver for a mobile phone that can literally destroy any install. It's official and supported. Same hardware just werks with *buntu kernel. There goes the "top quality".

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>>57852402
I want ARM desktop nao!

>>57850933
NT wasn't ever designed to be connected to via dumb terminals as UNIX was. From the very beginning you had NT Server and NT Workstation.

>>57850618
Nothing happened. People just try using linux like they use windows. But linux is not windows as GNU is not UNIX. You have different paradigms. I use linux on all of my machines for developing, administration tasks, backups, server-only services and everything else besides music, art and games. That's what specialization was meant for. A coutry like Netherlands can't export Oil. And a country like Saudi Arabia can't export water. Ever tried developing python or ruby on windows? It sucks. Httpd and ftpd on windows sucks. Same as any image manipulating sucks on linux.

>>57850677
>poor marketing and advertising
Agree, there's not a lot of marketing for most linux distros on desktops except for chromesOS. Both chromeOS and android sells like pancakes which proves the point.

>nerd stigma
There has been a huge smear campaign from companies like microsoft and considering most people was instructed on how to use windows is normal that other operative systems will feel alien to them similarly to windows on phones.

>unfriendly unintuitive interfaces
Disagree. I have relatives and friends that doesn't know anything about computers and they're using linux fine. In fact their requests for support are much less frequent and they're happy.

>reliance on command line to complete basic tasks
This is an exaggerated claim in the case of linux and it's just as bad on the windows case. There's graphical interfaces for most things. Even if true this point is moot because most users doesn't fix their own problems, they ask other people to fix it for them.

>overwhelming choice of distros
This is a contradiction: you first talked about poor marketing and advertising. For this reason most new users doesn't search for "linux", but well known names like "ubuntu" or "mint".

Interestingly the so called "windows power users" are the ones who get overwhelmed by the amount of distros.

>unfriendly elitist attitude of established users
If you're implying other users are better see this thread first: >>57847931
you literally cannot criticize microsoft without being called names.

>unstable software
Depends on the distro and the definition of unstable. My experience with ubuntu LTS versions has been good, much better than windows in fact.

>poor aesthetic design
I disagree but i cannot prove you wrong because i cannot prove tastes wrong. The fact is that, even if you don't like the defaults, most DEs provides much better customization than windows at least. IMO windows is the one which aesthetics are mediocre at best but that's just my opinion.

>>57852150
>90% of linux threads are about it not working.
It's the same about other operative systems tho, and it's fanboys are way more aggressive to the point they create threads talking about how other operative systems are thrash and theirs are awesome just to compensate the threads they don't like.

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>>57851010
"""average"""

>>57850677
>>poor marketing and advertising
>>nerd stigma
>>reliance on command line to complete basic tasks
>>unfriendly elitist attitude of established users


These are the most prominent.

>>57852508

18% of the Netherlands' total export is oil.

It really didn't just take Android into account, take the whole internet infrastructure and data centers.
I really don't care about the desktop, Ubuntu just werks with my hardware, plus I get better battery life on my laptop compared to Windows anyways.
If I ever need Windows only software I use a VM.
The "year of the Linux desktop" meme seems more like a case of critical mass than anything else.

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>>57850618
Because you failed.

>>57851686
>And then they'd go bankrupt because their business partners would choose to work with someone else instead.
Pretty sure this is what happened to windows phone.

>>57850618
it became the most widely used server software in the history of humanity

>>57850660
No, it's because Windows is user-friendly out of the box and it just works. Linus is none of that, at least most of its distros weren't when Windows 98 or XP came out.

the problem was it had no mayor corporate backing to enforce a standard, support the software, and develop more user friendly interfaces.

as it was it was only being developed by nerds that wanted to do their own thing, no one would pay to support, and didn't need it to be user friendly

>>57853049
>as it was it was
What is RHEL. They give support for workstation too. For soho shit, no one a need pajeet in a callcenter to say reboot it.
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>>57852382
Kek, this. Own your mistakes, retards.

>>57851480
Most made their choice without any knowledge of freedom

>>57850618
>NSA botnet
>Intel botnet
>systemd botnet
>multiple cryptographic subsystem bugs in place for a decade before anybody noticed
>absurd focus on cramming new options and features into the kernel, even point releases are filled with buggy new features
>source code is now several hundred megabytes, much of it ancient, unmaintained, and probably dysfunctional
>total failure incoming for embedded, dropping 32-bit support and every release gets fatter and performs worse on embedded class hardware
>license is cancer
>hostile to hardware manufacturers
>bloated c compiler
I could go on.

>>57851705
He didn't make one

>>57852413
What is it?
Asking for a friend

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>>57850618
It was intentionally sabotaged by those who want it to remain special and keep the normies out.

Because, let's face it, it wasn't made by a company that offers support and has an actual team of professional programmers. Linux was made by an amateur by himself, then other pieces were added by other programmers working in their free time.

It's an OS made by hobbyists for hobbyists. That's why it's free. If it cost money, almost nobody would use it. It already has a market share close to zero, if you charged money for that, maybe a few companies would use it for some weird cases.

The reason it caught on servers was because the success of Apache, most likely, and the fact that Apache was also free. It made webhosting really cheap, compared to if you had to use a Sun server with some flavour of Unix.

>>57852435
Me too, but only because I'm a poorfag who has no space for a normal desktop.

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>>57854798

BECAUSE LINUX IS FOR FUCKING PEDOS

>>57850755
>made by servers
software for servers, made by servers
kek

>>57851852
Linux is terrible with laptops.

I've turned down over a dozen laptops on black friday because the audio won't work on linux or the screen will flicker.

Linux is terrible and I'm sending this message from my linux netbook.

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>>57854790
/out.

>>57850677
>All these reasons discourage newbies

Good. There should be a barrier to entry for the willfully stupid.

>>57855104
This, leftist scum think intelectual barriers are bad but in reality they are necessary and a very effective way of filtering out the lesser individuals.

>>57854930
IaaS :^)

>>57855166
>leftist...

/pol/ is that way ---->

You fucking retred.

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>>57855184
>You fucking retred.
You can't make this shit up.

>>57855166

I don't have any political feelings about my statement, it's just that if you want something, you have to work for it.

You may have to be bothered to learn, put in effort.

If you don't know how to do something or are ignorant, it is up to you to self actualize and change that circumstance.

I have no sympathy for those who think that "linux is too hard". It is at time broken and bothersome, and too often people use it for the wrong reasons.

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>>57855088
The fucking colour name for academia and "none" is #3366CC. What a piece of shit.

>>57855234
You can't deny the narrative that people are somehow entitled to things they want, they don't have to work for them ,only to want them.
People expect everything to be easy and "welcoming" just because of this mindset.

>>57850618
I think Linux is popular among people who are able to handle it. The masses are just too stupid, they buy preinstalled and ask others to fix their shit.

>>57850660
>best desktop os
wow i haven't seen anyone this delirious since trump announced his candidacy

>>57850618
Linux was designed similar to Unix which was designed explicitly for servers and mainframes. To add to that, the developers behind Linux built it as they would want to use it since they would be the ones using it. It was not designed for consumers.

That said, things are changing. Ubuntu has come a very long way on the desktop side and I personally like it. I even installed the SteamOS components alongside Unity so I got a better compositor.

>>57855278

I don't deny it all. It's a symptom of a culture (I can only speak about USA) where we all have all things much too easy.

We invent reasons to be upset or offended, and are entitled because we live with plenty, although even what we have is not enough.

Gratitude is a real thing that should be actively practiced.


/soapbox

>>57851389
Technically Linux has far more potential here. If you really wanted to you could completely redesign the UI to your liking. It's just an issue of most people not having the skill or the time to do that.

Macfags and Wincucks usually bitch about the design because it's not something they're used to. W10 is a shitshow on design but they like it because they're used to the layout.

>>57852435
You can have it with Linux.

>>57855358
>servers and mainframes
It was designed to be... Modular? Run Space Travel? Be versatile? Linux can be anything if you have 32MB ram.

>>57855403
Not enough powerful.

>>57850826

It's like you've never heard of paid support for RHEL or SLES.

>shift responsibility

You don't have a job, do you?

>>57850618
no games

>>57850618
driver support is shit
no gamez

>>57850677
if the gui was more user friendly, more people would use it

>>57851493
THAT WASN'T A JOKE YOU FUCKING FAGGOT.

THIS IS /G/ TODAY. YOU ARE ALL FAGGOTS AND WILL NEVER AMOUNT TO ANYTHING IN LIFE IF YOU FUCKING TAKE ANYTHING PRAISED ON /G/ AS FACT.

THIS WEBSITE IS ALL SATIRICAL IN EVERY SINGLE FUCKING SENSE.

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>>57855900

>>57854338
Oh, so you mean Windows?

>NSA botnet
Where did you pull that from?

>Intel botnet
If you're referring to their hardware fuckery, that applies to all OS

>systemd botnet
If you really hate systemd you can build your kernel from source without it.

>multiple cryptographic subsystem bugs in place for a decade before anybody noticed
That were patched immediately upon being found because it's open source and anyone can fix bugs for it. Windows has been hit constantly with 0-day flaws in addition to old bugs, security has been consistently better in Linux because people are able to address issues as soon as they arise.

>absurd focus on cramming new options and features into the kernel, even point releases are filled with buggy new features
You're describing Windows again.

>source code is now several hundred megabytes, much of it ancient, unmaintained, and probably dysfunctional
Also Windows. W10 still uses components from Vista (check your driver publishing dates).

>total failure incoming for embedded, dropping 32-bit support and every release gets fatter and performs worse on embedded class hardware
ARM is moving to 64-bit, you're a bit behind the times bud. If you're talking about programming an Arduino or related, you wouldn't run an entire distro on it.

>license is cancer
The lack of you mean? Try navigating Windows licensing. Some IT vendors actually have a person on staff dedicated to figuring out Microsoft's retarded licensing scheme.

>hostile to hardware manufacturers
Since when? The developers don't take kindly to misuse of certain functions (i.e. how Marvell setup Hyperduo) because it doesn't follow engineering standards.

>bloated c compiler
Compared to?

>>57856134
>If you really hate systemd you can build your kernel from source without it.
kek
Not the kernel need rebuild but the daemons.

>>57854790
Linux is maintained by some of the biggest companies on the planet. It may have little desktop market share but it dominates the server market.

>>57856212
There's also a project without it:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/30/devuan_beta_2/

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>>57856265
>implying i don't know this meme

>>57851286
>half life 2
nice 13 year old game faggot

>>57852435
Just get a Raspberry Pi 3.

>>57855458
Are you serious? Steam is here for years now, it brought several AAA games to Linux.

It's not like a valid excuse to use these days.

>>57850660
More or less this initially, but it persists because a lot of shit needs Windows, muh jaymes and business programs (basically everyone uses proprietary CAD). It's shifting away, but still.

>>57852402
>dying desktop market segment

I don't know where you live but here the desktop market is making good money.

>>57852501
Are you such a fanboy that you can't even admit that NT was better than UNIX ever was? From the technical point of view it was far better.

People always love free stuff except if its fucking shit, like literal dogshit in a park


Lonix is free and it still has an irrelevant userbase after decades of its exsistence

Really makes you think


But seriously, you can make up endless bullshit reasons but linux is simply worse and less user friendly, less usable than windows

If it werent it would be the most used one because its free, but the negatives it has nullify the only positive thing it has, what is being free


Tldr linux is shit

>>57850660
Everyone i know who got pc/laptop preinstalled with linux unstalled windows day 1, you are wrong

>>57852860
>I really don't care about the desktop, Ubuntu just werks with my hardware, plus I get better battery life on my laptop compared to Windows anyways.

Fucking lie. I've even used the most light flavours of Ubuntu with LXDE and XFCE and that shit eats all my battery.

I don't like Windows 8 but at least it's extremelly efficient. You're delusional or just lying.

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>>57854338
>>absurd focus on cramming new options and features into the kernel, even point releases are filled with buggy new features
>>source code is now several hundred megabytes, much of it ancient, unmaintained, and probably dysfunctional
>>total failure incoming for embedded, dropping 32-bit support and every release gets fatter and performs worse on embedded class hardware

it happened to me recently. linux used to be very fast, i remember that i could run fedora on my old machines. now i can't think about the big distros and the tiny ones are also too bloated to be honest.

>>57851286
At this point the biggest problem is games from the late 90's to a few years ago.

>legit old games can be emulated or WINEd just fine
>newer games are now on Linux (with maybe some distro issues)
>good fucking luck playing SWAT 4 though

>>57858866
you can't really expect old machines to run new OS'es though

if new major distros could run on a 486 for instance, they would be severely shitty

i run bloated distro on 32 bit core2duo with 2gigs of ram and fwiw it is way faster than the windows 7 it replaced

>>57855234
>>57855278

The whole point of the OS is that it's something that you don't need to think about when you use computers. And it was said by Torvalds itself.

You only want to feel special wanting to have the needed "dignity" to run Linux.

>>57850618
A main reason linux failed is accessibility eg, the way you have to install programs on it, too complicated for the average person.

>>57855074
Linux has worked flawlessly on every laptop I've owned. They've all been Dells and HPs.

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Wait for a big name to come along. When they make a distro as friendly and functional as Windows then you will see the switch. Windows is taking themselves in the Mac direction. So as soon as someone like Sony sees a chance to market it as a just werking, spyware free, cheap, and intuitive alternative to Windows then we will see the rise of linux. It wont be your preferred flavor of Arch but it will kill the titan that is Windows and move us towards a more open source world.

>>57858769
He's not wrong. Nobody cares what some 18+ people do, I doubt a 6-8 year old kid who's just got their new PC would even know what an OS is or how to install one. If they get Linux and are forced to use it for at least 8 years they'll consider it much easier and better than Windows.
The anon is saying this, your first PC will probably have Windows installed, you will get used to it. You will use it for at least 4 years before getting a new PC which will again have Windows. If by accident you get Linux installed of course you'll remove it for an OS you're more familiar with, which is, in 99% cases, Windows.
The same applies to Android on phones. I just can't use anything else as I'm too used to it and too lazy to learn how iOS/Windows works or how to live with their limitations. Luckily, Android is much better than alternatives so there's no reason to switch from it. The only reason people buy Windows phones is because they're cheap as fuck, while having an apple phone is a status symbol saying you're "not poor".
The only thing Windows has on desktop is certain proprietary support, but I find some tools better on Linux, especially how better it is by default (has more and better software included, at least in most distros, and also has better default hardware support).
Another reason Windows is more popular is because of some games exclusive to it which kids like and they're forced to use Windows. Developers are to blame here, but they're only following the market share. Although I believe cross platform support will now become more and more popular so this won't be a problem soon.

>>57851177
Most popular Linux distros have more programs available in their package repos than FreeBSD and OpenBSD have in ports. Ports has most everything I'd ever need, but those distros are still more "complete" in certain sense of the word.

>>57859002
Said every year since lincuck was made

>>57859008
Kids like games so they wouldnt use linux

Teens same (except edgy retards like g who use kali and think they are hackers)

Adults use windows because it has what they need and easy to use

Linux is irrelevant.since day 1.and it will stay that way

>>57851614
No idea about the servers (except that it's almost certainly RHEL) but Google has an in-house Ubuntu reskin. IBM servers are probably SLES.

>>57859002
I think it's not really needed for actual power users. Windows and OSX are good enough.

It's not worth reinvent the wheel a million times like we see with all these Linux/ BSD distros being created and recreated all the time.

The OS that only trans/g/enders like. It's bad. Get over it.

>>57854790
Half the code in Linux kernel is by companies bigger than Microsoft and written by better paid people than Windows.

>>57858866
I'm willing to bet that has more to do with bloating desktop environments and other big userland software and less with the kernel.

>>57850618
LEENOOX DOESN'T JUST WORK
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED

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>>57859071
Is it worth reinventing the wheel? I would say yes and no. What I am proposing isn't for you, me, or anyone who cares enough about PC's to know what linux is. However if you are a major tech company looking to steal the market from windows then you do need to change some things.

It has to be viable for offices, tech fields like engineering, and the entertainment industry. Luckily that second one is being helped along thanks to mac fags so some of the software is there. Then it has to be able to vidya natively which is starting to happen with new games being released and old ones being made compatible. Also Vulkan. It also has to work as a media/facebook machine which it does already. Lastly and most importantly it needs to be able to be used without ever having to see a terminal which is something that hasn't happened fully yet.

Once we see this from a big company that consumers recognize and trust then we will see the rise of linux but not before then.

>>57859352
I agree, I tought it would happen with Canonical Ubuntu but things don't changed too much (on market).

it doesnt come preinstalled in any PC
even my mom can use ubuntu for web browsing, its just not advertised much and can be confusing
also normalfags complain about "how do i open my exe files hurr durr"

>>57859432
It doesn come preinstalled on budget pcs and laptops, but people install windows on them as soon as possible because linux is shit

>>57859432
But anon, that's the wrong way to see the things. You guys want people to switch and relearn everythng from scratch.

At least for me, look I wasn't born already knowing how to use a computer. What Windows brought was a little learning curve to facilitate the use of computers. It made everything easy. Step by step.

If you guys want to push Linux, you need to bring benefits in UX like Windows and Mac did.
The problem is that Linux devs don't give a fuck about UX.

>>57852913
wew

>>57854877
is that dude living in the pantry?

>>57851493
>I SWEAR IM NOT RETARDED XXDXDD I WAS JUST PRETENDING BRO

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>Friendly linux thread
>Ask which distro is good
>Linux friends start to tear themselves apart over opinions

Linux users are always ready to alienate anyone even coming close to pondering using Linux, also 90% of the distros are downright terrible

When people willingly choose to use botnet the OS over Linux you know Linux distro teams are doing terrible calls all around when they aren't busy fighting among themselves in an imaginary arms race

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It tries to be Windows.

If I'd want Windows UI with start menu and taskbar, I'd use Windows.

>>57858866
>it happened to me recently. linux used to be very fast, i remember that i could run fedora on my old machines. now i can't think about the big distros and the tiny ones are also too bloated to be honest.

It's ironic because the BSDs have largely retained their ability to run quickly on older-class hardware. Why is Linux so bloated and slow? What's it doing?

Even the full suite of POSIX utilities has grown to be bloated on Linux these days, to the point where Busybox is even standard on some 'lite' desktops!

Meanwhile you can still get by fine on truly ancient hardware with BSDs, with better performance on the modern rigs.

>>57850826
>support
You don't get support from MS anon.

>>57850912
>When Joe Public can just slap on Ubuntu or whatever on ANY brand PC in the world and it works fine with all their hardware, *then* linux is ready for the desktop.
With older hardware, Ubuntu will work properly unlike Windows 10, many older machines are now scrap for Windows babies because they don't have easily available drivers.

>>57860521
While this is true, I appreciate how OpenBSD doesn't bother with dubious performance hacks just to bend over backwards to limitations of antediluvian hardware. Code that's efficient enough and easily maintainable beats undecipherable attempts to outsmart the compiler.

I use nothing but Linux.

Windows asks what price you will pay for convenience, Linux asks what price you will pay to avoid windows.

Anyone who thinks free software is easy is kidding themselves.

>>57851852
Hardware support on Linux only happens after the hardware has been available for some time. Otherwise it takes a while for the ecosystem to catch up with new hardware. Remember when your version of your AMD driver wouldn't run because your distro was running an old version of X? I do.

>>57850618
>Linux
>a failure
Pick one.

It's the most widely used kernel in mobile devices. Apple's weak, fucked up little XNU shitwad can only dream of being anywhere near what Linux is.

>>57850660
Linux is not an operating system, you tech illiterate. It's the kernel. You're probably thinking of GNU.

>>57850677
Have you tried Debian with KDE?
>intuitive interface
>GUI package manager, file explorer, browser, etc.
>the universal operating system
>friendly and helpful community
>looks pretty good out of the box

>>57851010
I could probably teach a monkey to install GNU/Linux. You overestimate the intelligence of the average human geing.

>>57850980
Yes, the good folks at NASA have never and will never accomplish as much as you can in a single day on your fat ass eating tendies.

>>57851177
Go fuck yourself.

>>57861412
>Yes, the good folks at NASA have never and will never accomplish as much as you can in a single day on your fat ass eating tendies.
NASA? Learn to read you dumb ass nigga. NASA isn't involved in the development of any of these stupid fucking """"""distributions""""""

>>57861412
>Apple's weak, fucked up little XNU shitwad can only dream of being anywhere near what Linux is.
What's this even mean?

Apple's at least making a halfway stable OS, a goal Linux has never ever had.

Linux is failing harder every year. Multiple spying botnet, strange shit happening, developers getting suicided, hugely ballooning codebase, it really is cratering hard.

>>57850618
windows comes for free with most computers

>>57861288
I also remember the newest generation of AMD GPUs working on launch because they directly contribute code to the kernel now. Funny how things change.

>>57862075

>hugely ballooning codebase, it really is cratering hard.

What do you expect from open source? Of course it's going to go in multiple directions, multiple minds have differents ideas, unlike a money-fueled project that tries to specialize and streamline to get it out the door.

>>57850618
No games.

Really tho, that is the only reason most people I know would never use it as their os. They would be unable to play new games that come out.

>>57850618
Just look at installing a new program.

On widoes I grab the exe and it just works. On linux... well good luck. If your lucky the package manager works. But half the time it fuck up some dependency and your fucked. Why doesn't linux have a unified exe style system?

>>57852535
You don't seem to know what you're talking about regarding overwhelming choice.

I am technologically literate compared to most people I know (I don't hang around computer nerds). I wanted to get linux.
It took me days to get my head around the different types, that BSD isn't linux etc

Why would my Mum do that? Why would any of my family members? Why would my Dr?
These people won't. They don't give a fuck about research to click buttons.

Need to reduce it down to a single version for idiots and that's it. Keep all the other ones secret so that neophytes don't get inundated.

>>57862461
I just installed Dwarf Fortress on Linux by downloading a compressed folder, uncompressing it, and typing ./df into the terminal.

It's not exactly difficult if you're not fully retarded.

>>57863834
>download
>search for terminal command
>open terminal
>fuck around and change the keyboard layout
>search for that too
>type in another command

>realize linux is shit and why it has 2% userbase
>go back to windows and use that like normal people do

>>57863936
>search for terminal command
in the menu
>open terminal
you're literally listing the same steps that a Winfag uses
>fuck around and change the keyboard layout
You'd do this on Windows too...
>go back to windows
You'd literally save no trouble at all by doing this, on Windows you still have to
>find shitty software site
>download software
>make sure to uncheck all the malware
>click next 100 times
>finally install software
>installer triggers reboot, oops lost all work
>log back in, control alt delete
>go to start menu
>oops MS took that out
>find tile that has somewhat vague icon
>click
>windows update time
>install update
>reboot
>open start menu replacement thing
>finally locate program
>launch it
>banner ads in start menu

>>57851128
If you installed win7 and started fucking around with buggy desktop customizations and ended up making your system unusable, would you be blaming windows?
That's literally how 80% of Linux first timers end up complaining about how their Linux is broken.

>>57860568
This. I've saved many really good desktop machines from the trash bin by installing something like Lubuntu or Mint Mate. If people can get another 3-5 years out of a system, let them. Some, like elderly people on a budget, can't afford to upgrade regularly. And more than that, a lot of them never fully learn how to use Windows either, so Linux doesn't seem that alien to them. Just show them how the menus work, startup/shutdown, and set up a very simple password so they can run the updater and they're good to go.

>>57859034
>75% mobile market share
>beats Windows in everything except desktop use
>IRRELEVANT BECAUSE MUH GAMES
It has more tools than Windows, actually, and it's surprisingly easier to use and if you think otherwise then you haven't even used it. So whatever you think adults "need", they don't really. You can give your grandma noobuntu and she'll be more than happy with it. Only people who use Windows exclusive software as a necessity require Windows, and that's less than 10% it's users.

>>57864413
Everything you said about win is simply false


Deluded lincuck

>>57865041
Android is not linux, ubuntuos was linux and failed miserably

Linux sucks just accept it you deluded faggot

>>57865184
It's all true, wincuck.

>>57865201
Okay, now I know you're either baiting or retarded.

>>57865258
Maybe in your retarded dreamworld where linsuck is not irrelevant

>>57865273
>google engineer says android is not linux
>autist on g say it is


I thibk i will believe the 1st one

>and FOR FREE
Normies do not pay for Windows... at least not directly. Many get Windows with their computer, so switching to Linux would gain no benefit cost-wise. Many of them don't upgrade their Windows version, although when they do, it's with a new computer. Of those who do upgrade, many still either get Windows through their school, their workplace, or piracy (and half the time it's not them pirating, it's them asking their tech friend to install Windows on their machine, and he pirates it).

As for why Linux failed...

No Microsoft Office
No Photoshop
No games for the longest time

>>57865274
How's it irrelevant? It literally runs on more computers than Windows now.

>>57865325
How is 2% not irrelevant

>>57865353
>How is 2% not irrelevant
Because 98% of the people are.

>>57865363
Lonix users are in that 98%then :^} especially you autismo :^}

>>57865417
>i have nothing to say: the post.

>>57865562
Funny coming from u desu

>>57865574
t. autismo

>>57865579
t.the real autismo

>>57865417
no u !

Are we samefagging now? Cause this looks like samefagging.

>>57865353
You realize "computer" doesn't just mean desktop PC, right? Smartphones, supercomputers, consoles, routers and other devices are also computers. Considering there are more smartphones than desktop computers now, yes, Linux runs on majority of computers even if you ignore other devices.

>>57850618
For most people free means bad, and expensive means good. That why Apple rise and GNU + Linux failed

>>57866281
I dont see many mobiles tunning ubuntuos tho


Android is not linux so you are simply wrong

>>57850618
Microsoft's bullshit disinformation marketing and borderline illegal business practices happened.

>>57866377
What disinfo campaign

>>57866281
Cisco IOS currently runs on more computers than any other operating system has in their entire history.

>>57866361
Android is Linux. Why are you moving the goalposts?

>>57866433
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft#Marketing

>>57866433
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft

Windows has a good GUI, but the underlying OS sucks.

Linux is a great Unix-like OS, but the GUIs suck.

MacOS is UNIX with a great GUI.

Any questions?

>>57862089
Ding, ding, ding.

Most people will never change the OS their computer came with.

If you install Mint on a Normie's PC, they hardly notice the difference unless they need Windows specific things, which is maybe 20% of users at this point.

>>57863834
>Type ./df
This is the problem, for you and most people here it's a basic task but for most of people it's a fucking waste. Normies literally just want to click "next", "next"....

>>57866474
Google engineer said its not, i believe him more than you

>>57866478
>>57866505
I never heard or saw any disinfo about linux by ms, i just heard from other people that it sucks then i experienced it firstha d that its a shit os

>>57866519
Everyone i know who got their pc or laptop preinstalled with linux installed windows as soon as possible

>>57866550
Maybe because thats more comfortable than looking up/learning fucking commands? What if you want to change the directory? Learn more retarded commands instead of clicking 3 times, wow so much better right? Retard

>>57866514
linux is a kernel, used in the unix-like os called GNU
any questions?

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>>57866559
>Others, such as Google engineer Patrick Brady, say that Android is not Linux in the traditional Unix-like Linux distribution sense
t. wikipedia
The question is not the linux part as it would be incredibly dumb to question the core. It's a linux system, but not GNU+Linux.

>>57866609
Linux is not certified UNIX.
Linux is not even close to UNIX.

MacOS is certified UNIX.

Those who have used UNIX (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc.) realize its superiority to Linux.

That is why Gentoo copied FreeBSD.

But still Gentoo is inferior because it's Linux.

MacOS is UNIX.

>>57866514
Making a good UI its hard and its a job that the people in the open source community usually ignores.

You can't improve your UI if you don't have user feedback. You can't have good user feedback without telemetry. You can't have telemetry because the Linux community will cry in uproar at the first mention of it.

Thats why the best DEs around are the ones copying Windows/macOS design.

Considering that, we still manage have good DEs like KDE, Cinnamon, Enlightenment, etc.

>>57866609
>os called GNU

>>57866632
How is UNIX better than Linux? Hell, how is it even different from Linux?

>>57851852
>Yes, that is what Linux is today.
Yeah on Ubuntu. Not debian or fedora. It's retarded because the FSF doesn't even consider them free distros. All they do for people who need drivers is make things slightly inconvenient for the advanced user and completely broken for the beginner user.

>>57850618
I've just installed gentoo in my old raspberry pi (the first one) with stage 2. Ask me anything.

>>57866591
>change directory
>learn more retarded commands
>windows babbies are too retarded to learn a fucking 2 letter command that stands for "change directory"

>>57866687
POSIX comliance hurr durr.

>>57866713
Do you have gui?
screen or tmux?
native or generic?
-0s? :^)

>>57866716
Why learn a bunch of useless code when you can click a few times? By your logic walking on all 4 is cooler than walking on two legs because "normies" walk on two legs

Retarded lincuck

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>>57866632

>>57860568
Microsoft isn't the same microsoft after windows 8 shenanigans.
Hell, even back in vista days they had shouting matches on whether or not should they support old hardware

>>57866724
>gui
i3wm, basic as Xorg doesn't use hardware acceleration
>screen or tmux
neither
>native or generic
native, as the kernel must be optimized for the raspberry
>-Os
-O2, doesn't make sense more

>>57866732
>Why
Learn regex and... oh wait! :^)

>>57866732
I don't use the CLI because I think its cool.
I use it because its a faster and more powerful tool.

But I know how you feel, anon. I also hated the terminal when I first tried Linux but it slowly got into me.
You don't even have to learn that much to use it, its just that you're too to a graphical interface.

>>57866687
POSIX compliance.

>>57866361
Android IS Linux you tech illiterate retard, stop discussing things you know nothing about. What are you even doing here on /g/?

>>57866736
You should try reading a book on a real UNIX Operating System instead of shitposting.

>>57866559
Linux isn't an OS. "other people" are mostly paid by Microsoft, or just stupid enough to not know how to use an OS. They wouldn't know how to use Windows if they didn't use it for over a decade already.
You didn't experience shit, probably just loaded Ubuntu and didn't like the interface so you decided to shill against Linux as a whole. Stick to macOS.

>>57866902
No its not you tech illiterate retard

>>57866559
Have you considered hanging yourself with razor wire?

Just because it isn't shitted up with a GNU userland doesn't mean that Android isn't Linux. Off yourself, or at least go to /v/ and stop ruining what would be an otherwise fine board without faggots like you.

>>57866926
Yea yeah sure buddy

>YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO USE WINDOWS YOU ONLY KNOW IT BECAUSE YOU LERNT TO USE IT OMG FUCKING NORMIES

Damn you are fucking retarded

I had fucking classes in uni where we had to use lincuck and even the prof who has decades of IT experience and knows much more than an autist like you said that lincuck is simply inferior to win and people who use terminal when there is other easier optuon are just retards who want seem like smart people

>>57851389
it's great in terms of custumization, but before gnome3, kde5/plasma5 and elementary OS, the default themes of basically all distros were shit-tier.

Ubuntu is probably one of the more neutral and passable ones in that regard. The latest iterations of plasma5 and gnome 3 look pretty sexy though, so the big desktop environments really got their shit together. Others like xfce et all still largely look like garbage from the 90ies/early 2000s.

>>57858985
If average person would use linux it would be from ubuntu family most likely.
Now how hard it is to install software in buntu's..?

Need vlc:
!. Open software center
2. Find vlc
3. Press install
4. Enter password

Now how hard was that?

>>57866946
>google enginner says android is not linux
>random autist on g says it is


Sorry fag but im not into the whole technologyhipster shit like you are

>>57866971
(to be fair though, microsoft had some periods of cringey aesthetics as well. XP was terrible, vista was sub-par. But at that time, the alternatives in the linux world weren't any better either. And OSX was also a bit cringey with all the brushed aluminium textures in backgrounds. Thank god they did away with that.)

>>57866982
android is most certainly linux, but it isn't gnu/linux. android replaced all the gnu components with their own (e.g. bash with busybox, glibc with bionic, ...) for a variety of reasons (both for legal reasons and to make the footprint smaller)

>>57866962
Man, his decades of IT experience must be really helping him. Well over 90% of the TOP500 supercomputers are running Linux. Most webserver infrastructure is running Linux. A huge portion of the mobile marketshare is Linux. Embedded systems are hugely Linux based.

Windows is a dying breed. The server products are shit (I use them where I am employed and I want to fucking kill myself every day because of it), their desktop OS is shit, and they're riding on decades of market share. It's OK if you're a retard and seriously can't understand the differences in design between Linux and Windows. Stop projecting that on other posters who aren't.

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>>57866899
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX#Mostly_POSIX-compliant
In this way BSD isn't "unix" either.

>>57866907
Oh, teach me sensei! At least highlight an advantage where the UNIX(tm) sticker means something better? http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/293436

I know well AIX and literally can't come up with any advantage over linux. Maybe this is why IBM promote linux one and not force their in house to everyone.

>>57866927
Let's found out where is the kernel.

>>57866927
>I don't know the difference between Linux, GNU/Linux and Android/Linux
>>57866962
>implying Windows isn't "easier" just because people use it more
Are you retarded? This is THE reason people say it's easy. If you grew up with a Mac and didn't touch Windows until you were 14 you'd say Mac is easier. Also, you don't need to ever touch the terminal on Linux, you get a much easier installation process of packages, you get a more stable, faster and secure system. Windows also has CMD which is basically terminal, has shittier driver installation process and countless vulnerabilities forcing people to use additional firewall and anti-virus software.
A professor wouldn't know shit, especially on how Linux systems behave today. You're literally eating shit with 10+ year old information/misinformation about what Linux is. This is like me saying Windows 10 is the worst OS because of how many security holes and bugs Windows 95 had.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about, kid.

>>57866982
>implying googlel enginners aren't pajeets
Literally pick up any Android phone, check it's kernel codename.

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>>57866982
Please, quit fucking posting. This is for your own good.

>>57866982
>Android doesn't use the Linux kernel
Holy shit you're retarded

>>57867015
Bla bla bla


>>57867055
linux sucks that why it has been irrelevant since day 1, thats all

>>57867098
>>57867060
Android is not linux :^}

One reason for me, muh games.

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>>57867119
hurr durr

>>57851493
smells like damage control, fagget

But, anon, I am using it at work.

I work as mechanical engineer. There are no cad programs for Linux with sufficient sophistication. Otherwise I would have no use for Windows.

>>57858724
Hahahahahaha you can't be this stupid

>>57867146
>lincuck claiming that someone is in damage controll when g is full of damage controll threads by lincucks making up more and more retarded stories about why their hobby anime os is irrelevant since it was made


lol

>>57867119
Can confirm. I'm a professor and all professors know that Android runs on Windows NT.

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>>57867256
Never change.

>>57850677
>reliance on command line
This is a feature. If you weren't a fucking winbaby you'd understand that.

>>57867220
Have you tried Siemens NX? I've heard that Solidworks is a few cuts above, but that it's fairly capable overall. I've also heard that Linux supports pretty much everything save some advanced simulation shit. Licenses are expensive as all shit so I haven't gotten any hands-on with it.

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>>57850677
>Next
>Next
>Next
>OK
>OK
>Next
>Install

>look guys I'm a windows server admin!

>>57867277
>>57867356
Even Windows have a CLI, even if it isn't that exciting, but at least you can have a headless server.

>>57867375
>Complains that Linux is "unintuitive"
>Rams his dick into the blender that is PowerShell

>>57867402
>>Complains that Linux is "unintuitive"
Wrong anon.

>>57851389
The font rendering is shit.

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>>57867932

Most of the linux users are edgy 15 year olds who think linux makes them a hacker and manchildren who rice their linux to full on autism anime and only use it to watch anime
99.9% of linux users fall into those 2 groups

>>57866514
>Windows has a good GUI
>MacOS is UNIX with a great GUI.
Disagreed. They're "good" in the sense that most people are used to them, but it lacks many things many would prefer in a GUI. Examples of GUI problems on Windows and Mac:
>lack of sloppy focus option
>super key completely monopolized
>super key needlessly doing what ctrl key does on other platforms
>unintuitive settings menus with retarded places for many options
>piss-poor excuse for "tiling"
>crappy APIs for windowing
>outdated and cryptic visual metaphors in icons
>mediocre font rendering
>inconsistent use of drag-and-drop metaphor
>windows not maximizing
>inaccurately placed windows borders for drag-resize
>inconsistent icon designs
>big programs from e.g. Adobe's ditching the default UI elements for something else entirely because of NIH
>flat design meme garbage

Many of these problems are applicable outside Windows and OS X as well, including on most or all Linux desktop environments, but pretending Windows of OS X do a particularly good job of UI design compared to mainstream *nix DEs like KDE, Lumina, GNOME etc. I can only ascribe to Stockholm Syndrome. I'm assuming you're myopic both in metaphorical and literal sense.

>>57868033
0/10

>>57868131
Made you post.

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>>57850618
>failed
>most non-desktop computing devices in the world run Linux (android)

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>>57866632
>Linux is not certified UNIX.
You mean no distro's maintainers decided to pay The Open Group thousands of dollars for testing against a braindead standard that's becomeing less and less relevant by the year? Oh no, wait, Inspur did exactly that with K-UX. A Linux distro is officially and literally Unix now so this isn't even true.
>Linux is not even close to UNIX.
Dennis Ritchie himself said he considers it "all one and the same" and surely thought is was Unix enough to count. Linux + unix-like userland like GNU coreutils or busybox is pretty damn close to Unix despite your baseless insistence.
>MacOS is certified UNIX.
Despite not even being fully compliant to the standard that should be the baseline for certification. rename(2)
>Those who have used UNIX (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc.) realize its superiority to Linux.
Many do. Some don't. I think OpenBSD is much better designed than GNU/Linux but that's not some kind of cosmic mathematical fact. This is a matter of having good enough a taste to appreciate sensible software design.
>That is why Gentoo copied FreeBSD.
Probably the most truthful statement in your entire post.
>But still Gentoo is inferior because it's Linux.
It's pretty damn superior if you want to use your wireless card with no FreeBSD driver.
>MacOS is UNIX.

rename(2)

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>>57850618
Low effort bait.
A good b8 use greentext, smug loli with the absolute baseless bullshit statement.

0,01 poopee on your designated shitting account

>>57858947

Sorry for the late reply.

I agree with you. Use Linux if the tools suit you.

But don't complain that it is hard to use.

I have never felt dignified using Linux. It was an interesting puzzle for me when I first started fucking with it (1998), and a useful tool when I have reason to use it.

>>57867220
Another mech eng here. OpenSCAD is pretty good, but the UI nearly requires relearning CAD from scratch. Pretty good if you've done computer graphics, though.

>>57868131
its okay, you dont have to like the truth

>>57868608
>aws is a kindergarten. Muh vps!

>>57850618
No cortana/siri equivalent

Outside of why its a success or not, Linux is just a kernel.

As far as criticism goes, most is in userland, but some kernel stuff is shit too.

Inter process communication is super slow--shared memory is OK I suppose, if you're still living in 1970. Were still waiting on modern IPC, however, no one can seem to decide which one to adopt.

Multithreading is just a lost cause with the standard toolkits for software development on linux. Again--a userland issue for the most part. pthreads is shti. get over it.

The graphics stack is pure feces. It's got a ways to go. The fact that AMD runs like shit is a real eye opener, given that its got such a huge marketshare. It's literally the only other graphics option besides Nvidia. (or intel I suppose, but that's a different vertical).

Audio is shit. I don't think anyone would even argue this. Pulse anybody? ALSA? You need a fucking real time patch to get decent midi or recording. This is a huge fail.

Video. Where do I even start. Can't even scrub video without everything grinding to a halt.

As a desktop, even for an advanced user, its just isnt very good. If you are a linux developer you mayaswell just run it in a vm and do your work there--at least the vm gives you a somewhat stable hardware environment to work from with few if any hardware bugs to contend with.

>>57851010
Why does that one smartass always have to come along and blurt out "AVERAGE IQ IS ALWAYS 100 YOU DUMMY"? The average intelligence calculated using today's normalised IQ tests may very well be 130 in the future.

>>57862337
>What do you expect from open source?

You heard here first, folks. and that's it. FOSS will never deliver something good enough.

>>57867250
he's already right. There's a lot of material about it on the internet. NT was superior to UNIX.

You guys are a religious cult.

>>57868115
Stop pretending that KDE, Lumina and GNOME are better than Windows/ OSX GUIs.

>>57850618

it, like the PS3, has no games

>>57871369
>KDE, Lumina and GNOME

Lumina is shit, but KDE if not break down BTFO every proprietary shit.

>>57871953
you has no brain

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>>57850660
>even though it's the best desktop OS

>>57850618
Linux is made by programers, for programers.

None of the unique features of linux matter to normies, and they don't give a shit if their programs are as 'free' as the fucking wind or as 'nonfree' as north korea, since they can't code.

>>57855458
>>57855697
>>57862416
>>57867132
>>57871953
>>>/v/

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>>57855231
>if they don't jerk me off for saying that the libruls and joos are the cause of all the world's problems, then they're a leftist degenerate cuck numale!

Nice reasoning there dumbass

You're almost as mature as a seven year old

>>57867277
It's a feature, sure, but so is cortana from windows 10.

>>57867268
by your definition, freebsd is the most popular os ever because so many other systems use components of it.

>>57855457
It's almost like you're incapable of reading

>>57871369
>KDE, Lumina and GNOME
Windowmaker's worked fine for ages anon.

>>57873756
>using libraries
>same as running the kernel and device drivers and userland...
you're getting pretty desperate now

>>57859432
It's pretty fucking stupid that you can't just left click exe's this many years into linux, even if it's just for normies.

>>57859015
Wrong, There're only few linux distro which has as much programs in their repos as FreeBSD/DragonflyBSD actually has, 4-5 distro as NetBSD and about 10 as OpenBSD.

>>57875211
>Ubuntu has every half-finished bit of open source shitware in repo
>THIS IS AWESOME
>OpenBSD doesn't put these student projects into the OS
>WHY NO PACKAGES?
Literally everything important has been ported to the BSDs.

I got tired of having to spend 6 hours researching how to fix software that works fine on windows.

I got even more tired of having to make that software myself when on windows there are 17 different choices I could make and I could preform the exact task I want with 3 clicks and an install wizard.

>>57875662
>I got tired of having to spend 6 hours researching how to fix software that works fine on windows.
so you're dumb

>>57876526
sure

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>>57876541
Well you're implying that people don't have problems with Windows, I would argue that proportionally, way many more users of every skill class have Windows problems compared to say Mac or Linux users.

There are technical issues, sure, but the ones pointed out here are mostly absurd corner cases or other weird issues which Windows suffers from tremendously.

Of the people I know who have converted to Mac or Linux (or other free or Free OS's) use, most have stayed away from Windows thereafter.

I know several people who are desperate to stay on Windows 7 or even XP because they have business critical processes set up on these platforms, and their vendor(s) from the specialized hardware, to the software, to MS, all abandoned them.

Open source software rarely suffers from this problem and at least a fix is possible with the right know-how.

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Lately I have been thinking that the only reason I use windows is literally so I can remote access windows desktops (because I am too lazy to work out how to do it from linux) and so that I can play games. Other than that I use Linux. So really I could buy a XBox and get off my ass and figure out shit for remoting shit over the internet
Then 99.9999% of my computer probs are over
NO MORE WINDOWS

>>57876857
I bought a ps4 a month ago and went full Linux and it's been a blast.

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>>57876880
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

Linux is everywhere except for it's original purpose, that hardly makes it a failure. Think about it, if you invent a mouse trap and it works 100% of the time then it is a success, just because you are the only one who has this mouse trap doesn't change the results.

In and of it's own technological merits, Linux is already the most widely adopted software on the planet. Hardly a failure.

Stallman fanboy; so should we call systemd gnu+linux+systemd.

Your argument is irrelevant, as is Stallman's philosophies. Stallman has said many times that he only uses emacs on a system without a gui, that is hardly an exercise in computer freedom.

Now kindly take your shit posting to reddit

>>57850618
If it was any good, do you think they'd give it away for free?

>>57877202

Think about this; if you take out all your neighbours trash for collection and don't charge for it, do you think the neighbours would protest?

It is awesome and it is free, you'd have to know something before saying otherwise.

>>57876936

Stallman, sour grapes, can't call it GNU+Hurd, need notoriety, tell everyone to adopt this naming convention so people can be fanboys.

>>57850755
How the hell do you figure that?

I cannot think of a single problem that Linux as a desktop platform faces that would be improved by being a single user system.
It's almost completely unrelated and I have no idea where you're coming from with that

>>57876857
>buy xbox
>no more windows

Do you even think before you type?

>>57871330
>t. Winshill

>>57850677
dubs of truth

>>57850618
No games
Half-assed FOSS trash