Windows 10 is fucking garbage

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>pay to get spied

>>57847931
What the fuck, why would you use consumer software for CNC?

>>57847931
inbred mongrel

>>57847931
>windows
>CNC machine

Fuck off with your made up bullshit.

>>57847931
It is another episode of
>user didn't read the EULA
>user used Windows in a place where you have tasks with critical time launch constraints

You could use your brain and kill Windows update service, or install real OS like W7 or Linux.

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>>57847931
>Mac
lmao

>>57848083
not made up at all. follow the link. Mach 3 is great.

your dad is old lol

>>57847931
>software made for windows 95
>install it on windows 8

gg no re

>>57848008
>turbocucks will actually defend it anyways

>>57848092
macOS update does not automatically restart on its own. that picture shows scheduling. if you have something in the Terminal running, for example, it won't restart even if it's scheduled.

>>57847931
if it doesn't need an internet connection, put windows xp on it?

if it does such important work why not click the option in windows update to defer upgrades
or better yet turn off update service and use wsus to update manually

>>57847931
>CNC
why not just 3d print

>>57847931
What software does your dad use? Are there GNU/Linux or macOS replacements?

>>57847931
Windows 10 is indeed shit, but you're a fucking dumbass for not disabling automatic updates (which had to be disabled on every recent Windows version).

Just leave computer management to someone else if you're such a retard.

>>57848230
>why not just 3d print
3D print aluminum part? You know how much laser sintering machines cost?

>>57848243
>What software does your dad use? Are there GNU/Linux or macOS replacements?
I'm guessing he could use a VM for Mach3 (prog that drives the CNC). But I'm not sure what's available for mac and Linux.

One thing he uses is Autodesk Fusion 360 which is available for Win and Mac but not Linux.

He basically designs stuff in Fusion and then exports G-code and uses Mach3 to drive the CNC.

Anyone here know how to run a CNC on Linux/Mac?

>>57848269
kys.

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>>57848092
MAC KUCKS

KUCKED

AGAIN

>>57847931
>production machine
>hooked up to the internet

Ya blew it Jr.

>>57847931
Or do what I did, install Mach 3 on an online XP machine

>>57848462
*Offline, fucking autocorrect

>>57847931
Just downgrade to Windows 7

>>57848365
>kys
underage confirmed, everyone go home.

>>57848083
If you'd dealt with much CNC equipment you'd know most of it runs on ancient versions of Windows, or occasionally even DOS.

>>57847931
>Using Windows 10 HOME PROfessionally

Windows 10 PRO updates can be disabled.

>>57847931
>Windows 10 on a CNC
>not some CLI linux or custom interface.

Your dad got what was coming for him.

>>57848532
he's a retard obviously. ignore him. windows is prevalent for CNC control.

>>57848544
Go find me the Linux equivalent of Mach3 that a normal person could use. Go ahead, I'll wait.

>>57847931
The upgrade bullshit ended months ago, fuck off with your fake story.

I'm no Microsoft expert, but I suppose Windows Server doesn't magically reboot.

>le wanblows random restard an shieeeet
Literally never happened to me kek

>using consumer OS for shit that requires stability
It's similar to that leddit story of that retarded anti-poacher niggers in africa or some shit, they had their laptop bricked or whatever because of win10 update, AND BLAMED MICROSOFT, INSTEAD OF LEARNING A LESSON AND INSTALLING DEBIAN STABLE OR SOMETHING EQUALLY SUITED FOR THE JOB

wew laddy, bait/10 quality posts
I'll just practice triforce
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>>57848690
Who said anything about server?

>>57847931
i run mach3 from windows xp no dramas

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>>57847931
If only there was a way to disable automatic restarts.

>>57848912
>having to go into the fucking GPO to disable automatic restarts
that's why i use windows 7

>>57848912
That didn't stop mine from downloading and installing updates when I set it to notify me before downloading anything.

I had forgotten about the rampant winshilling on this board.
Yes, OP's dad could have turned off automatic updates. No, OP's dad didn't turn off automatic updates. You know why? BECAUSE UNTIL WINDOWS 10 IT WAS FUCKING UNHEARD OF THAT AN OS WOULD RANDOMLY DECIDE TO TURN ITSELF OFF. It is not normal for an OS to throw away the user's progress when a task is running. But oh, sure, let's defend that feature everyone hates.
>"Holy fuck I was using Windows 10 and got mauled by a shark, what the fuck?!"
>"Blame's on you, anon, should've just gone to the registry and turn off automatic shark attacks :^)"
NO FUCK YOU. FUCK WINDOWS 10.

>>57849054
Sharks are stupid fucking animals dumbass.

>>57847931
I'm giving windows 10 one last shot with a pirated version of enterprise before I give up all together.

Should have used XP like most of people use in this kind of equipment

>>57847931
User error

>>57847931
Whenever I go back to windows I feel a physical rejection. Ever since XP it becoming worse and worse, people used to say that OS X threats you like a dumb fuck, well windows does it but 10000 times worse.

>>57848092
>OS X
>subtile reminder for an update that you can delay in 2 clicks
>Windows
>HOLY MOTHERFUCKINGSHIT UPDATE RIGHT FUCKING NOW OR U WILL DIE. U NO UPDATE NOW? GO FUCK URSELF I DO IT MYSELF

>>57847931
It clearly states on the webpage that it is for Wndows.

>>57847931
Why would someone keep CNC machine hooked up to internet and running Win10 in the first place?

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>>57849286
>Ever since XP it becoming worse and worse

>>57849318
Worst part is that they are trying to be an OS X by being user friendly. But they end up locking behind settings more stuff than OS X could ever do while Windows is still a messy shit if you try to configure out something or browse internal files.

>>57849459
Funny thing is, macOS is probably less restricted right now

>>57849011
>having to go into the fucking control panel

this is why i use an ipad

>>57849026
>BECAUSE UNTIL WINDOWS 10 IT WAS FUCKING UNHEARD OF THAT AN OS WOULD RANDOMLY DECIDE TO TURN ITSELF OFF.

That is incorrect. If you leave auto updates on in Windows 7 it will automatically restart after some time.

>>57849558
NOT ON THE SAME DAY

>>57849580
don't blame it for your mistakes

If you didn't want it to restart by surprise in the middle of a work why didn't you disable the update service? why do you think it has to read your fucking mind because you're too retarded to actually go there and set it up properly?

>>57850597
You are a special kind of idiot for failing to see the fundamental problem here.

>>57847931
>2017
>Falling for wincuck meme
lol you are to blame yourself

>>57850681
what is the problem? windows actually installs updates for dumbasses that can't do it manually?

if you weren't a lazy piece of shit you'd have researched it before, not using something blindly, and then complaining because it did something you didn't expect it to do

>>57850749
Oh, I forgot. Unexpected shit like this is now acceptable because you shouldn't expect new OS to work like older ones, instead you have to do extensive research for things that were no-brainer before and you could just get to work and keep doing it at your own pace.

Just wow.

>>57849470
MacOS is less restrictive and more user-friendly than Windows 10

>>57848113
Lel yes, judging from this thread this is excruciatingly true.

>>57850777
then use don't use some OS made for dumb people that don't know how to manage a computer

if you didn't knew what you were getting into, why the fuck did you install windows 10 then?

>>57850885
Rethink what you just typed there.

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>>57850892
if you don't even know how to set up something for it to be suitable to your use, what are you even doing with such expensive machinery in the first place?

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>>57850976
I give up. You really are blind to the issue.

>>57851013
>OS is built around automatic updates and restarting in mind
>I use it for something that requires no interruptions for days
>It restarts
>Oh no

>>57847931
Why doesn't he just use a dedicated machine in the workshop for the mill? That's what I do for CNC. Most of the software is ancient shit. XP works just fine for this.

>>57851013
and you can literally tell it to delay updates for a fucking week, don't fucking use something you don't know how to use, or how it does things

And listen to these:
>>57848033
>>57848091
>>57848168
>>57848190
>>57848269
>>57848428
>>57848462
>>57848498
>>57848540
>>57848544
>>57848672
>>57848734
>>57848875
>>57848912
>>57849181
>>57849315

>>57851143
You heard it here. Stop using Windows 10.

>>57850777
you had to disable auto updates in windows 7 too. this hasn't changed.
you're just an ignorant fuck who cannot use a search engine and/or rtfm.

(inb4 pajeet/shill. i don't use windows 10 and i think it sucks.)

>>57851211
>you had to disable auto updates in windows 7 too
Funny, because I've done several windows 7 installs lately and in all of them I had to enable it myself.

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/12/04/2015239/how-microsoft-lost-in-court-over-windows-10-upgrades?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

>forces upgrade because only fanboys like their SO

Jesus what a piece of shit.

>>57847931
Just make him a clean Windows 7 installation with updates etc. Will be enough.

>>57851238
>>57847931
>MS tricked him into installing Win10

so auto updates were probably enabled in windows 7 and those would cause havoc anyway.
user ignorance is the cause here, nothing else.

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>>57847931
Your dad is a fucking retard, it sounds like.

You guys really own a CAM shop and are this computer illiterate? Microsoft didn't cost you guys that $1,000, your dad did for not thinking of this problem in the first place.

I guess you dumbasses learned your lesson the hard way, but it honestly was 100% avoidable. MS didn't 'trick' your dad into installing Windows 10 either, your dad's just a moron who doesn't know how the fuck to read.

>>57851399
50 rupees have been deposited into your shilling account, Pajeet.

>>57851399
Before Window 10: being computer illiterate wasn't an issue

After Windows 10: being computer illiterate is a work-wrecking problem

MS really outdid themselves this time.

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>>57847931
>tricked him into installing Win10

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>>57851238
The "recommended" setting during W7 install means autoupdate=on.

>>57851670
>what are regular people?

>>57851682
C-could you repeat that? That all went over my head? Stop being so cryptic!

>>57851687
>i want to use a $1000 machine but i have no idea how to use it at all!!! wtf i haet m$!!!!!

>thread full of smelly street-shitting micropajeets blaming the user
business as usual

>>57851687
OP's dad is a retard, your point?
I mean, if he installed Windows 10 and was unhappy with it he's the only one to blame.

Should've bought a machine that doesn't rely on his personal PC desu.

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>>57851716

>>57851749
I'm bored. I'll bite. Explain your logic.

>>57851758
You don't want to type those scripts on the actual device.

>>57851790
>You don't want to type those scripts on the actual device.
Sure, program/model it all on a more user friendly device, then load it into the machine.

>>57847931
Glad for you. Meanwhile enjoying it and never wishing to switch of have to work with earlier inferior versions at all.

>>57851813
>DIY
Self-made seldom have that luxury.

>>57847931
>retarded dad uses windows for a CNC machine instead of a proper numeric control such as a siemens or fanuc console
>cries when it fucks up

Who's fault is this again? Oh yeah, dumfuck dads.

>>57851826
if you're gonna be a H1B slave shill for microshit, then you might want to learn english, pradeep

>>57851840
I don't see why it would be impossible or something to just use a small unconnected to the internet PC to drive the thing. You could probably do it with a Raspberry Pi or something.
But if it was DIY, then he should've known how it works, and that he should've set the active hours during the time the machine operates.

>>57851854
At least i am not a tool like you that ignorantly still runs Win 98SE since its the best thing ever and everything past is a lie.

>>57851790
That's why literally everyone that uses CNCs makes G-code on a computer then transfers it on the machine.

>>57847931
>tricked him
You mean he's retarded and hit update?

>>57851883
well, at least I can use the toilet unlike you. go back to your designated shitting street in calcutta instead of shitting up america.

>>57851904
Did Indian steal your job since you were shitty in it? Serious question, since you are projecting way too hard.

>>57851903
its been increasingly difficult to avoid these updates, especially if you're computer illiterate enough to go to win10 to begin with

>CNC didn't go in emergency mode the second the PC died or just stopped at the last string of code

Yeah ok OP, you can stop lying now. Or get someone who atleast remotely knows what they are doing to set your machines parameters up before one of your dumbass family members kills themselves with it.

>>57851903
>retarded
Grow up

Time to leave the thread. It seems Americans are awake.

>>57851903
You don't remember that this year 10 would install after closing the "upgrade" nagging window using the X button in the top right corner?

>>57851959
leave america too while you're at it, prakesh

>>57849112
sharks are awesome id take sharks over automatic updates

>>57851980
Just stop. They'll find a way to twist that too

>>57848734
Happens to me constantly. Ive turned off updates, changed power settings, disabled screen saver, scheduling etc pretty much everything that would affect restarts and my win 10 machine still restarts almost seemingly at random. The weirdest thing is that it almost seems like it restarts everytime I walk away even if for a minute to get a fucking refill or answer the phone. Come back and PC has restarted. Never had this problem on same machine with win 7 or Mint.

>>57851916
no, since I'm not an incompetent java programmer like you and all the other indians

>>57851143
yeah, everything about this seems bullshitty.
And i did some stuff for a steel bearing factory(fell in love with the smell of those oils, desu). The only places were they had post-xp stuff were offices.
Otherwise, xp was a Godsend, 98 was common, found a 95 laptop, and the QA station was running fucking dos.

>>57847931
If this isn't bait, then sue MS you fucking retard.

>>57848008
or pay nothing and just get hacked for using any Linux distro that contains hundreds of decades old vulnerabilities that nobody ever tested for...

>>57848092
>he doesn't know

ouch.

>>57847931
Your dad sounds like fucking retard anon

Enjoy listening to his impotent rage for the next few days.

That damn Microsoft, always tricking people into losing money.

>>57852561
People are doing it. check out:

>>57851239

>>57847931
why the fuck would you have a "critical" system connected to the internet?

>>57852657
Why not?

>>57847931
Buy a toaster, install Windows 2000 and make sure your system is not connected to a network. It's that simple. I don't understand idiots who use new internet connected machines with CNC equipment. There's so much that can go wrong.

>>57852797
Probably because before this nothing has gone wrong? Could that be the reason? Why not?

>>57847931
That really sucks OP. Your dad seems like a nice person who just wanted to get something done.
>hurr it's OPs fault for not knowing you obviously have to kill these services manually in Windows and for having the Internet on
Retards.

>>57852895
Fuck off OP.

>>57852837
So it is a good idea to take unnecessary risks as long as nothing goes wrong? This event cost 1000 bucks and could have been prevented with a few hundred bucks.

I mean even if you use relatively modern hardware for your CNC shit with a modern OS like Windows Vista, it's still insane to connect it to the Internet. Never a good idea to connect any devices to the internet that don't need it.
Microsoft with their broken updates is just the tip of the iceberg.

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>>57849054
Best post

>>57847931
lmao retarded things happen to retarded people

>>57850885
>it's someone's fault for not knowing their OS has a behaviour that no other had before and that will destroy their work

>>57852930
What "unnecessary risks"? Because nothing like this comes to mind to REGULAR people who don't deal with these kinds of things. This is not some "common sense".

As this came off as a surprise to these people one would assume their current "tool" does not work like the old ones. Might be because the "tool" lacks in the information providing portion?

Why is this such a hard concept to you?

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>>57847931
If you weren't a clueless technology illiterate, your dad wouldn't have had this problem.

>>57852930
Holy shit how is this hard to understand.
Before Windows 10
>this wasn't a concern that people had
After Windows 10
>this is a concern that people have
It's avoidable, but software is supposed to become better. Here it got worse. I now have one more thing to keep in mind when I use Windows. Not everyone is a sweaty neckbeard that browses r/pcmasterrace reading about all the services you should disable in Windows 10 to have a system as good as 7, some people just want to use a computer the same way they did for years and aren't exactly expecting to have to take extra steps just to not lose work.

This isn't progress, it's going backwards. This sort of OS design is the reason tech illiterates buy macs.

>>57851949
Autistic*
My bad.

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>>57853051
>This sort of OS design is the reason tech illiterates buy macs.
lmao

>>57853054
I'd prefer bigger jump. Like to adulthood, not middle-school to early highs-school.

>>57853051
>Before Windows 10
>>this wasn't a concern that people had

But it was. Automatic updates aren't a new thing.

>>57852991
Malware and shit? That's the main reason why I wouldn't connect a vital system to the internet.

>>57853084
No, they aren't. Unannounced same-day reboots in the middle of the work are.

>>57853065
I know, I made that thread. I'm not saying macOS is good, but this sort of concern does not exist there.

>>57852991
What exactly do you think is a hard concept for me you cretinous asshole? I know that people are stupid and try to use a screwdriver to drive nails - this changes nothing. I'm not making an excuse for Microsoft, you can sue their ass for this and probably get the money back, but that doesn't change the fact that retarded practices by the end user lead to this. Consumer Windows isn't a fucking tool, it's a toy OS/Advertisement platform.

>>57853051
You are clearly underage, because in Windows 2000 and XP era, Internet worms took over Windows PCs connected to the network on regular basis. Having your PC controlled by some third party who does whatever they wish with it is hardly a non issue.

Oh, and nobody is claiming that this is progress. I'm claiming that the end user is retarded and should adjust behaviour.

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>>57853115
>this sort of concern does not exist there.
lmao

>>57853119
>you are [generic insults]
>does not contradict anything I said
>nothing I said contradicts what he says
>ends up agreeing with me
Are you at that stage where every reply on 4chan has to be a fight?

>>57853145
When did macOS ever force an update? Again, it's a bad OS, but this particular problem does not exist. There's no forced reboot.

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>>57853073
Don't get mad at me because your dad has downs syndrome.

>She deserved to be raped because she was wearing a short skirt

microshits everyone

>>57853166
Yeah, that's why Apple has a page on their website dedicated to damage controlling it:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT200553

Why is everyone defending MS by a) denying that the behaviour is less than ideal b) blaming its victims?

It would obviously be better to have an [Ask] option when it comes to the installation of updates that require a restart.
This is pretty obvious.

>>57853184
That's basically a BSOD you dimwit
Seriously, what drives a person like you to just make these sorts of posts?

>>57853184
>confusing errors causing a restart (which happens to every OS) to forced updates

you're truly a moron

>>57853205
>t. Rajeesh

>>57853184
Nigga that's a bug. Some unexpected behaviour happened and it has to restart. It may even force the restart, but it's still a contingency measure - dealing with a problem. Every single OS does this. Microsoft does this by design, a clean install of Windows 10 will force a reboot under normal circumstances when updating, not only when it encounters a bug.

>>57853186
>It would obviously be better to have an [Ask] option when it comes to the installation of updates that require a restart.

That just causes people to be annoyed and eventually to ask how to turn updates off completely.
I'm just guessing, but maybe the vast majority of users are happy with the current system and people like OP are just a loud minority.

>>57853148
Do you have a projection problem or something? If you agree with me, I think you're the one who has a hard time grasping a concept, because the way you're replying to me suggests that you think I'm confused.

Not once did I pretend that what I was saying is "common sense". Just because I tell you what the sane practice is doesn't mean that I expect you and everyone else to know it. Yet not knowing does not absolve you from responsibility. It's all nice and fun to claim that you're a dumbuser that expects Pajeets shitty software to behave in a certain manner, but that really does not change the fact that you should take all precautions to minimize risk.

>>57853269
...again, what does that have to do with my post? Why are you replying to me?

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>>57853186
Because you normie retards are the DIRECT CAUSE of this.

Retards like yourself who see a pop up telling you there's a critical security update, and you click close and ignore it for 12+ months and then blame MS when you get hacked. MS got tired of this shit, and people will blame them either way. Now you get security updates forced on you, it works better this way for the vast majority of use cases and users. Deal with it.

>>57847931
>All went fine until Win10 decided to reboot

If he don't want random reboots then he should not use Win10. It's not a OS suitable for proper work.

Linux would be ideal, but Mach3 only have Windows support. Running Windows 10 in a VM would have the same effect and have these stupid forced restarts.

Better upgrade to Windows 7 and don't downgrade it to 10 no matter what they say.

>>57852578
Harder to hack a Linux distro than Windows.

>>57853296
Actually no one blamed MS when they themselves ignored critical updates. I know that's their reasoning, but I shouldn't have to pay because some granny opt-out of Windows Update.

>>57848091
>You could use your brain and kill Windows update service

Not a stable solution.

>>57853283
Why are YOU replying to me? You're the one who started this conversation by not correcting me when I characterized your position as "risk mitigation is stupid" and instead chose to waffle on about common sense.

>>57853338
It is a stable solution actually. I have my Windows update service disabled and it does not affect anything, because I do not update Windows. I don't know what exactly you even mean as "stable."

>>57853319
>If he don't want random reboots then he should not use Win10. It's not a OS suitable for proper work.

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/It's+easy+to+be+smart+after+the+fact

>>57848540
No it can't. It will still force you eventually, you need to have enterprise.

>>57848690
Well, you need to pay extra for the no-random-reboot feature.

>>57853296
thistbqhwyfam

MS even has a separate corporate version of Windows LTSB that gets only security updates and nothing else for mission critical uses and lets you completely customize or disable the update scheduling.

>>57853385
>It will still force you eventually
Good. See >>57853296

>>57853377
Windows have security faliures every single day that they find. If you never update then you have a shit system and likely full of keyloggers and all sort of shit.

>>57848540
Not since anniversary edition.

>>57853337
>I shouldn't have to pay because some granny opt-out of Windows Update.

If you're not a granny you're still free to disable auto updates. Almost nothing has changed for "power users".

Although I disagree with >>57853296
in the sense that it's not so much about security, but more about pushing ads and shit.
99% of hackings aren't because of Windows not being updated.

Why is a CNC machine connected to the Internet AT ALL?

>>57853431
Do you really need other people to tell you that? Can't you think for you own?

>>57847931

Is it? Fuck! Have you seen 8?

>>57853404
Well it's still false to claim that windows professional let you decide yourself. You cannot run production critical software on windows 10 professional because it will suddenly reboot. It's not an OS for serious work, it's an OS for gaymer kids where a sudden reboot does not matter.

>>57853431
It's still going to restart even when it has no real updates.

>>57853415
Lies. It still works.

Although I recommend Enterprise or Education, for other reasons.

>>57853379
I dunno about you, but I pretty much realized Windows 10 was not suitable for work the second I noticed it automatically restarts and updates on its own accord. They didn't need to install it on one of my work systems before I knew it was a bad idea. When they did, it just confirmed my suspicion.

>>57853405
I have never gotten a keylogger in my life. You can't magically install keyloggers or malware on unupdated systems, you need an interface with them to exploit vulnerabilities. My Windows XP with SP1 and hand picked critical patches was probably more secure than 99% of fully updated XP machines in 2008.

No amount of patches will ever compare to actually having good security practices. And while patching your software is one of the most important good security practices, patching Windows is nothing short of a nightmare because they can't figure out how to do it without restarting and they install malware to your system if you aren't careful about what updates you install.

>>57853501
>I dunno about you, but I pretty much realized Windows 10 was not suitable for work the second I noticed it automatically restarts and updates on its own accord. They didn't need to install it on one of my work systems before I knew it was a bad idea. When they did, it just confirmed my suspicion.
That's the damn point. It happened to you so you know about it. THEY didn't.

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>>57853541
Go right ahead. I don't care anymore.

>>57853533
No, it did not happen to me, I read about it on the Internet. THEN it happened to me.

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>>57853184
holy shit

>>57853464
>>Although I recommend Enterprise

Which costs thousands of dollars if you get a single license without buying any more (only makes sense if you buy in bulk). While windows 10 pro only cost under $200

Avoiding random restarts is not worth thousands of dollars. better just upgrade to win 7.

>>57853501
>I dunno about you, but I pretty much realized Windows 10 was not suitable for work the second I noticed it automatically restarts and updates on its own accord.

Yeah I realized that myself. I keep my mouth shut at work because that's not my decision, but it has been a pain in the ass to have windows 10 on a development machine with ftp servers and databases for testing and so on. At least we now moved to AWS for those things and they run Linux.

>>57853552
Doesn't change a damn thing. You knew about that in some way beforehand. These people don't read these things and don't even know to look for it in the first place because these don't USUALLY happen. THAT. IS. THE. FUCKING. POINT.

>>57853598
>buying Windows

whoa dude.
fair point though, w10 is shit.

>>57853601
What do you mean it doesn't usually happen? All Windows versions after XP restart when updating and automatically update. Problem is that with Windows 10 you're not given the option to disable updates. And it's pretty fucking obvious you aren't given that option when you check the control panel where you change update settings.

>>57853636
>with Windows 10 you're not given the option to disable updates.

Why is this still being posted when it's false?
The option is there, it's just "hidden" in GP.

>>57853636
>All Windows versions after XP restart when updating and automatically update
After THREE DAYS. Which can be disabled EASILY. 10 currently reboots during the same day during "idle hours"if you leave it unsupervised.

>>57853656
It's not false. This setting is limited to enterprise versions (maybe Pro has it too) and it's well hidden from all the normies. It's easier just to disable the Windows update service completely, also.

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Wow, so hard. Kill yourself OP.

>>57853672
Pro has it. And if you're using Home... well...Home is just not relevant at this point. You can even get Pro for free (yes, still), so you'd need to be a literal retard to use Home.

>It's easier just to disable the Windows update service completely, also.
Not really, because then you need to enable it every time you want to install updates.

>>57853656
>The option is there, it's just "hidden" in GP.
I had Pro-version. I set up to NOTIFY me before downloading. During patch-tuesday evening I caught this PREPARING to install update it had already DOWNLOADED without any fucking notification.

I do nothing more than I do with any of the older versions. If that is somehow enough to bug a group policy, this shit has far bigger problems...

>>57853717
Why would you WANT to install updates? You want candy crush that bad or something?

>>57853672
> (maybe Pro has it too)

Pro don't really have it, it will still randomly restart only less regularly.

>>57853690
Only works on wireless connection, kiddo

>>57853690
/thread

>>57853734
You must have candy crush, stop removing it! It is an important part of windows 10 which is why this criticial software package is reinstalled every time you update.

>>57853636
??? I could disable updates (and leave WU running) in both Win7 and Win10.

Win7 was better in that you could choose fully automatic updates, or notification on updates after which you can manually pick which updates to install and when. Win10 only has an option to install everything on auto, or install everything later when you want it.

>>57853730
It could be a bug, W10 is still pretty buggy.
Maybe you also didn't configure it properly. When I read these discussions it's obvious that many people are clueless about "advanced" tweaks like GP.

>>57853787
>Maybe you also didn't configure it properly.
Enable the policy, select the setting, hit ok and profit.

How much more advanced is it supposed to be?

>>57853784
>Win10 only has an option to install everything on auto, or install everything later when you want it.

There's a pick and choose option with wushowhide (an official MS tool), but that's a bit buggy as well.

Just don't use W10 for now, that's the best advice I can give. Wait for it to come out of beta.

>>57853828
>Wait for it to come out of beta.
It's gonna be in Early Access forever.

>>57853828
>Wait for it to come out of beta.
It's never coming out of beta. This is the way they are running it till the end.

>>57853259
I don't use windows, but every single person I know hates the fact that windows will force you to restart your computer while you're in the middle of using it.

>>57853296
This is retarded.
Grannies/Moms believe everything they read on the screen. That's why they fall for dumb scams.
As long as the update button says something along the lines of "If you don't update now your computer will be exposed to serious risk" they will update as soon as possible.
There's no reason to give users the option to postpone an update at their own risk.

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>>57853784
>??? I could disable updates (and leave WU running) in both Win7 and Win10.

Can't do that in windows 10. If you really know powershell and put all microsoft servers in the host file it might LOOK like it's disabled, but it's hardcoded into it. Can't block windows servers

even Microsoft's new AI knows windows 10 is shit

>>57853823
You are supposed to enable it in the powershell as well and set enviromental varibles to override the normal update sequence. Of course this will only work for a week before you get another forced restart, and then all your settings will be set back to default, but you get another week.

The configurations and settings don't really do anything.

>>57853787
>It could be a bug

It's a feature. It's supposed to be like that.

>>57853656
Windows 10 "Pro" ignores several group policy options as of the latest build. Only enterprise lets you fully control update policies.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/itpro/windows/manage/group-policies-for-enterprise-and-education-editions

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>>57854105
I don't see the issue.

>>57854105
>Windows 10 "Pro" ignores several group policy options as of the latest build.
True.
>Only enterprise lets you fully control update policies.
False, for the most part. The main update settings still work, at least based on my testing last month.
Also https://www.askwoody.com/2016/an-experiment-with-win10-pro/comment-page-1/

fucking baby boomer generation, its always some one elses fault for everything.

But anon, Windows Embedded is the product intended for real-time misson critical application, like industrial controllers. Don't use normal windows for shit like this. It's dangerous.

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>all these people defending W10 because they don't know how to get rid of it

I went back to W7 after trying it for some months and my god it's good to be back. I highly recommend it to other W10 users instead of shitposting to drive the pain away.

>>57851604

how fucking dense can you be?

>>57847931
Mach3 supposidly works in wine, but you'd need to test it thoroughly to make sure it will work reliably

probably better to just install something solid like windows 2000/xp, and don't connect it to the internet (why was it connected to the internet?)

>>57854757
>supposidly works in wine
I wouldn't use non-native environments for crucial applications.
Oh wait, OP did.

>>57854105
>Only enterprise lets you fully control update policies.

Not fully, the telemetry systems are still updated even when you turn it off. (or "turn it to 'basic'" as it's called)

>>57854813
i wouldn't bother either, but it's just a possible option

i'd personally use server 2003, i had the least trouble with that version of windows (2000 was nice, too, but your machine would have to be pretty old now to be fully supported by it)

>>57854757
>(why was it connected to the internet?)

It does not need to be connected to the internet, it will still regularly restart your computer at a set time intervall.

>>57849542
>having to touch your device
dude install gentoo in your leg or something
best decision ever

>>57854868
... why?

in any case, it sounds like win10 is wholly unsuitable for a CAM machine

>>57847931
You can set up a VM with Windows 2000 and install your software there, you will have a controlled environment, Virtualbox even lets you pass the USB devices directly to the VM.

>>57854868
I'm pretty sure it doesn't. I have a Windows 10 computer with home edition at work and it only badgers to restart when it has updates.

>>57850597

or you know, update and shut the computer down at night when you go to sleep? Unless these guys are obsessed with getting their dumb ass japanese cartoons downloaded all at once immediately they would have no reason to leave their system on all night, shut the fucker off once in a while

I have Win 10 Pro. It has NEVER rebooted for an update on it's own. Maybe your dad shouldn't have been so cheap and bought the home version.

>>57854921
It badgers to reinstall at a set interval if it does not find updates. You are literally useing the same logic as people who say "I am not an alcoholic, I drink 4 bottles of vodka every day minimum and I have not noticed any addiction"

Cut the computer off from the internet a couple of weeks.

>>57854899
>... why?

As a failsafe for people turning off the updates, a restart resets it's settings.

>>57853105
The whole middle of the day thing seems fishy.
Because it's set during idle hours, which usually means in the middle of the night.

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All these buttmad Windows 10 pajeets... ahhahahahaha

>had a long job to do
>didnt scan for updates and reboot before hand

its your fathers fault dont even TRY to blame MS for this your father should have known how to take care of his CNC

Just get a copy of windows XP running in a virtual machine

>>57855056
>you were holding it wrong
a personal computer doing anything you didn't tell it to do is unacceptable

>>57853051
>reading about all the services you should disable in Windows 10 to have a system as good as 7

It's not possible.

>>57855099
oh ok so when you turn it on you should have to init the bios and bootloader manually? and then start each part of the operating system bit by bit? this is your father fault just accept that and move one sniveling will get you no where

>>57855002
I can't, it gets camera feeds from the Internets. My non internet connected VM hasn't badgered to restart either, but it's shut down most of the time. Maybe I'll run it 24/7 to see if you're right. I don't think I changed any update settings on it, although I did gut the Windows store and other things.

>>57853119
> Windows 2000 and XP era, Internet worms took over Windows PCs connected to the network on regular basis
that's interesting, because I don't remember that happening. Matybe I'm not that big of a cretin to get his computer infested with some pussy shit.

>>57855134
>oh ok so when you turn it on you should have to init the bios and bootloader manually?

Well, you init them manually when you turning it on. Turning it on is literally telling the bootloader to load.

>and then start each part of the operating system bit by bit?

You already tell it to do that when you boot up the computer, if you want to do something else that can usually also be told.

>>57853717
>It has it, unless it doesn't

>>57855190
its still your fathers fault if he cant practice due diligence when it comes to computers he shouldnt be using them i hope his hard drive dies and he loses the CNC software completely cause i know FOR A FACT the stupid fuck isnt making backups

>>57855226
I can't help but notice all these apologists seem to have major problems with grammar for some reason.

>>57855181
Literally didn't matter whether you were a cretin or not, only way around it was to have a hardware or software firewall or hardened settings and a crippled Windows. Windows exposed vulnerable services to the Internet and every single service in Windows was vulnerable - literal Swiss cheese security. In fact, unless you used the Opera browser you were vulnerable to getting viruses from simple images because of a vulnerability in the image rendering built into Windows that IE and other browsers such as Firefox also used. Opera used its own built in image rendering which is why it was not vulnerable.

I think Windows XP SP2 added a the Windows built in firewall that was on by default and that's where it stopped being a huge problem.

>>57855251
>have no argument? attack their grammar instead

>>57847931
>Any ideas?
Use Pro and a WSUS Server you tremendous fuckin idiot.

You buy consumer shit you get consumer shit.

God people are so fuckin dull.

>>57855226
>its still your fathers fault

What does my father have to do with this thread?

>i hope his hard drive dies and he loses the CNC software completely

My father has never needed or used any CNC software so that would likely not bother him. If his hard drive dies then he would just install a new one.

>cause i know FOR A FACT the stupid fuck isnt making backups

My father is a old computer engineer, he has worked with computers since the 60s. He backs up everything he wants to keep.

>>57855251
They are pajeets.

>>57855286
He is probably wondering why you can't spell English very well.

>>57855286
Seriously. Learn to write. Stop typing like a child. Makes them easier to read and maybe counter.

>>57848091
>or install real OS like W7 or Linux
Windows 10 Pro is the ideal for CNC, as it actually has support for the software and can delay updates you fuckin dork.

>>57855307
>still no argument
>still attacking grammar

>>57855320
Not until you can write proper sentences.

>>57847931
Do you know, that when windows does not have internet it cannot do updates´?

Wow, that was wizardry.

Disconnect the web when working on expensive shit. This happened only because of stupidity.

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>>57855286
50 rupees have been deposited into your account. thank you for shilling for Microsoft, Mr Pajeet.

>>57855331
>still at it

you are dedicated ill give you that much

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>>57855338
>This happened only because of stupidity.
no, it happened because Windows is a piece of shit.

An OS should never restart on its own without user acknowledgment.

>>57855347
You're never gonna get that answer this way.

>>57848664
>Go find me the Linux equivalent of Mach3 that a normal person could use. Go ahead, I'll wait.
This is the only sentence in this whole shitty thread that makes sense.

You linux idiots are beyond retarded.

>USE LEENUUUCKS
>IT DOES NOT RUN ON THAT
>WAIT, THEN USE LEEENUUUCKS.
>HURR DURR U STOOPID

>>57855373
so stop replying then i refuse to change in order to make someone else comfortable

>>57855396
Oh, so you DO work for Microsoft!

>>57850777
>Unexpected shit like this is now acceptable
It is obviously acceptable on apple and loonix shit, only on windows you shit yourself.

All you literally have to do is tell Windows 10 that you have a metered connection and it will no longer download and install updates automatically. It will tell you about updates but it won't write a single thing to your hard drive unless you tell it to.

>>57855331
MI, te nemértezs? Lopad meg a faszomot.

>>57855411
>keeps replying anyway

>>57851013
>I give up. You really are blind to the issue.
Listen, you complete waste of breathing air.
If you want to do pro stuff use pro version which lets you decide such things or get a fuckin brain and learn how to tweak home to do fuckin things.

>>57855426
see the problem with this is that metered connections should be against the law as its highway robbery

>>57854868
>It does not need to be connected to the internet, it will still regularly restart your computer at a set time intervall.
No it does not you fuckin idiot.
Stop spewing bullshit.

>>57855452
Metered connections are robbery but you don't need one to tell Windows that you have one to cancel updates.

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>>57855440
>You need the pro version to have basic control over updates and forces restarts, don't be silly goy, it's better this way.

>>57855455
50 Rupees are sent to your account, thanks for your service.

>>57855452
>OP: this happened. waaambulance!
>you are retarded. its your fault. here's why:
>and these measures should be taken.
>OP: no, it's Windows's fault!
>you are retarded, here's why:
>and this is how you fix it:
>option still bad, it's US capitalism's fault now!

>>57855440
1. Not OP
2. Every windows I use is Pro
3. That setting is HIDDEN from common users so they don't touch it.
4. See >>57853730

>>57855558
im not OP stupid i am just against metered connections

>>57855560
>3. That setting is HIDDEN from common users so they don't touch it.
No it is not.
I have the newest update on my laptop and you can literally set your working hours yourself and it does not reboot during that timespan.
You can also disable the update task in the scheduler. It is under the folder Update Orchestrator.
https://techjourney.net/permanently-disable-prevent-automatic-restart-of-windows-update-in-windows-10/

>>57855657
That means jack shit if you don't even know what and where to look for in the first place.

These. People. Don't. Know. About. That.

>>57855714
>These. People. Don't. Know. About. That.
That's. Exactly. Why. Windows. Does.
That shit for stupid people without them requiring to think.

It also has working hours from 8:00 to 17:00 preset and google holds kilotons of information that tell even the stupidest shit what to do. They are literally too fuckin lazy to use google or the help.

>>57855747
>They are literally too fuckin lazy to use google or the help.
For what? The automatic reboot that hasn't happened before? Are they supposed to be clairvoyants?

>>57855845
If you update software, you should look up what changes between versions.

>>57856208
Any other wisdom from that high horse of yours?

>>57856398
You're awfully defensive about being a dumb user who acts before thinking and then gets surprised when things don't quite go as intended.

>>57855420
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYRlTISvjww

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>>57847931
>Windows 10
Gee I wonder why people in /g/ fall for this stupid meme

>>57848532
This fucker right here.

>>57847931
Here's what should have been done:

Dedicate a computer to the CNC machine.
DO NOT connect the computer to the network unless absolutely necessary (if you do, restrict it to only what it needs to function).
Don't ever upgrade Windows.
Make sure you have a backup of the hard drive in case it fails.

>>57853464
>Lies. It still works.
Probably won't much longer. They force ads on the Pro version as well. Also GPO is only fully functional in Enterprise/Education.

>>57848083
You dumb nigger, I'm at work right now operating a CNC mill that runs on DOS and we use Windows 7 to connect to it from the computer room.

>>57854526
>Windows
> for real-time misson critical application, like industrial controllers
The really fucked up thing is that with all the Indians coming into the US on H1B, this is happening. The pile of shit Windows kernel is making it into places it should never go.

>>57855014
Clock was probably wrong.

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>>57851604

I'm not defending Windows 10 moron. I'm just pointing out the fact the problem was not the fault of Microsoft, how hard is it to understand that not everything that goes wrong in computing is somehow the fault of Bill Gates?

These people own a CAM shop, they should be more than aware of the idea of crashes, especially when they're machining parts that are worth thousands of dollars. If you've ever done any CAM work in your life, you would know that any machine shop uses ancient, but reliable pieces of shit to feed all the G-Code into the machine.

The truth is, Windows was never built with that functionality, and it's fucking retarded to assume for a second that it's going to suddenly become stable enough for that line of work.

>>57851653

Being computer illiterate has always been an issue, most machine shops aren't retarded enough to run Windows on their mills though.

>>57855380
The options are
1. Run it on an air-gapped computer that never updates.
or
2. Run it in a VM on linux. KVM will pass through anything you tell it to as long as your hardware supports it. Granted #1 makes more sense for a dedicated device such as a CNC machine.

>>57851740

No one is saying that Microsoft is entirely free of blame here. It's just kind of stupid to blame Microsoft when it's well known in the industry that using modern OS's is just asking for trouble.

Essentially, you've got a company that built a really shitty hammer. And while it is certainly their fault that they built a shitty hammer, it's arguably more the fault of the person who used that shitty hammer because they didn't think about all the problems they would have with a shitty hammer.

>>57847931
>use the consumer version of an OS for a professional use
>don't change settings to not fuck up your shit
>blame OS when your shit gets fucked up
Stories like these are why I still come to /g/. Thanks, lad.

>>57855420
>Says the truth. Calls people out on their stupidity.

Fuck off back to your holes Linux and Mac fags

>>57848365
Use LinuxCNC, turbocuck. Never connect a machine controller to the Internet.

>>57847931
>Windows 10 is fucking garbage
you didnt have to continue typing after that anon
we know

>>57847931
>using Windows for something like that
>not even having the foresight to disable automatic updates

>>57847931
>dad is upset with default settings/unreliability on is computer
>is going to buy him a computer running either a better operating system with more default settings or a slightly less better operating system with less reliability

top kek to you, good sir

>>57857659
This. Fucking. This.

>we've reached such maximum shill levels that /g/ is defending fucking micro$oft because a computer illiterate experienced an issue that Windows is well known for

>>57858119
>we've reached such normie faggot levels that /g/ is defending fucking normie computer illiterates that experienced an issue that Windows is well known for

>>57847931
There is not a lot, specially for this kind of specific hardware requirements.

There is Linux but, to be honest all this bad fuss about Win10 killing your machine or updates doing wacky shit hasn't really materialized in bigger market for it nor more money invested on Linux Desktop.

Maybe it will change one day, but today it is what it is.

>>57847931
tell your dad to sue microsoft, several others have sued microsoft for win 10 garbage

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/12/04/2015239/how-microsoft-lost-in-court-over-windows-10-upgrades

>>57858312
This

>>57853385
sc config wuauserv start= disabled

You don't need enterprise to run a command.

People always love free stuff except if its fucking shit, like literal dogshit in a park


Lonix is free and it still has an irrelevant userbase after decades of its exsistence

Really makes you think


But seriously, you can make up endless bullshit reasons but linux is simply worse and less user friendly, less usable than windows

If it werent it would be the most used one because its free, but the negatives it has nullify the only positive thing it has, what is being free


Tldr linux is shit

>>57847931
>He didn't set his active hours

>>57855286

>notice no logical argument, understandable because of bad grammar

>>57848092
>please update your computer

REEEEEEEEEE

>why?

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>>57859277
because your tracking needs to be increased.

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>>57847931
Fixed

>>57861153
You have to be over 18 to use this website.

>>57861829
Oh. I forgot that this is a thread for serious and nuanced discussion.

>>57860893
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

jesus why fuck, ugh jesus why fuck life tech is dead. its too late i should have installed GNU/Linux before it was already too late.

>>57848544
You can using if you dig through group policy settings I think. Although a non shitty os would make it simpler

>>57851211
Disabling updates in 7 is easy, disabling updates in 10 requires a certain version and the setting isn't even in the update setting section. Can't even simply Google it because it keeps changing.

>>57860893
>>57862379
It's fake. Dumped text file is 6 kB.

>>57862460
W10Privacy can do this quite easily on any version.

>>57858570
Does not work on Windows 10 which we are talking about. We are not talking about xp or even windows 7.

>>57847931
install windows 7 and don't connect it to the internet ever, why do you even need to do that it's a fucking controller for a cnc machine you idiot

>>57857659
>not the fault of Microsoft
A court of law disagrees with you.
https://redmondmag.com/articles/2016/06/27/plaintiff-tells-why-she-sued-microsoft.aspx

>>57858312
Agreed.

i really doub this is real. Who in hell control directly a cnc with the pc?

program in pc > load program on the plc

>>57862597
Is that program better than Spybot Anti-Beacon? That's what I'd been using since W10 came out.

>>57857659
>Windows was never built with that functionality,
>windows was never built to allow people to reliably run software

>>57862822
I believe that the entirety of Anti-Beacon's scope of telemetry blocking is a singular option in W10P; there's quite a lot of other telemetry-blocking options it ships with.

>>57847931
As a computer technician and CNC operator, I'm literally shaking reading this. How the FUCK can Microshit keep getting away with this shit? Is it because of that fucking poo-in-the-loo shitstain at the head of Microshit now? Is he the one that shall be nuked?

Fuck all of this.

>>57862822
>Spybot Anti-Beacon
At best this disables a few services and relies on HOSTS-file which telemetry services don't give a shit about. This is placebo.

>>57847931
your dad can sue microsoft

that is a plain case of the shit upgrading without your instruction

people have sued & people win .. he will get all his equipment + expenses + time

>>57848190
you do not have to spend a solid day to configure ubuntu, to make it even useable

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>>57849318

>>57862801
>>https://redmondmag.com/articles/2016/06/27/plaintiff-tells-why-she-sued-microsoft.aspx
> Teri Goldstein
((Goldstein))
Every fucking time.

>>57857659
why do pcs reboot theirselves without a powercut, in 2016 ... this crap never even happened with win 7 .. utter utter garbage -- causing massive problems everywhere

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>>57862765
>Does not work on Windows 10 which we are talking about.

Yes, it does.

>>57847931
Install a Gnu/Linux distro.
Thank me later.

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So can you fuck off the spyware shit with Windows 10, or am I going to have to find a Windows 7 key somewhere?

>>57864813
>So can you fuck off the spyware shit with Windows 10,
Nope. You can at best disable and block most of it but some will get through. Stopping everything will end up breaking the whole system apart.