>SSD dies completely after a power loss Another meme I fell for.

>>57799936
Should of installed Gentoo.

First reply is best reply.

>>57799936
>Falling for the 'fell for meme' meme in 2016

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>>57799936

>2016
>not properly surge protecting equipment

>>57799949
>Should of

This is why I exclusively use laptops. Battery is surge protection by itself.

>Another

which other memes have you experienced, anon?

I bet you also fell for the Solus meme, faggot

>>57800188
Too poor to afford UPS?
Must suck for you.

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>>57799936
I've had a few blackout in my state with my sdd, while still working.
Whats is this meme?

>>57800166
> he can't spot canadians

>>57799936
That's some 2/10 bait
However, info on the disk really dies after some time, but SSD has to be unpowered

>>57799936
>things that didn't happen

>>57800437
Just got a power loss and it's not detected in my bios. Been trying for 3 hours now by powering my PC on with only a power cable to my SSD and it's still not recognized.

"Didnt happen"

Googling "SSD power" > your shitty fucking meme about SSDs being immune to everything

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>he fell for the SSD meme

Where I live UPS and surge protectors don't last long. I've had some equipment fry even with surge protection. My a/c unit has one and I've gone through two of them. THe last one actually caught on fire one night and I had to put it out. Shit is cray cray in the lightning capital.

>>57800642
Try moving.

>>57799936
Let me guess, SanDisk right?

>mfw sandisk ssd dies on a power trip in the middle of a video conf meeting

I don't know what to believe anymore

>>57800765
Crucial

>>57800765
PNY

>>57800431
>info on the disk really dies after some time, but SSD has to be unpowered

Unpowered as in PC turned off or as
psu not plugged in the power outlet?

>>57800696
I would but I'm on a extra large lot corner on a canal and out into the gulf of mexico. White area no minorities or illegals it's pretty great. It's like 65 out and good shitposting weather.

>2016
>power loss
kys pajeet

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>NAS dies completely after a power loss

Another meme I fell for.

>>57800273
Living in your mom's basement?
what a great life

>2016
>Not having a TESLA battery for your house

luddite faggot

>>57799936
The problem is probably from the PSU, not the SSD.
Also, a good SSD should not die like that.

>>57801323
>2016
Not having a Tesla car

why are people itt calling a power loss a surge

>>57801388
Power losses here are sometimes just drops in voltage so the lights might not flicker but you can watch the drops in real time and something with a higher draw or more sensitive like a UPS/PC will treat it as such.

My house fries light bulbs and hard drives. I've gone through like 3 hard drive in 5 years and probably 50 light bulbs. This grid is fucking awful.

>>57801415
Yea I've had some long life CFL's and especially the ballasts in floros need replacement due to how jankey things are at times.

>>57801344
Holy shit this is delusion..
Get help if you think PSU affects SSDs.

>>57801404
can u explain how a drop in current from an ac switching on or something hurts components? I thought only voltage surge could hurt components.

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>>57799936

Hnng feels good

>>57801404

A surge is a sudden brief increase in power, aka.. a surge. A drop is called a brownout. Power loss - it cuts off completely. In any case, a UPS is the only thing that can protect a computer from all of this bullshit. HDDs aren't immune to it either, though they often do better than SSDs. My HDD has survived about 15-20 power losses so far. Got the cold sweats each time tho.

>>57801437

Most failures are when it's doing writes when the power loss happens. Either the HDD head can crash on the platter, or SSD's controller and/or specific NAND cell could get fucked.

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>>57800002
Nice quads

>>57801388
a surge is when power is out but just for a second, power loss is when it's out for minutes or even hours or days

another term for it is brownout (again, as opposed to a blackout/power loss)

Are power supplies always drawing their rated wattage? Or do I need to only need to get a UPS rated for the wattage my system draws vs the watt rating of the PSU.

>>57801415
For the light bulbs, if they are surrounded by glass, consider removing the glass. High heat can toast light bulbs prematurely. Even LEDs.

Alternatively, try a different brand.

>>57801516
>Are power supplies always drawing their rated wattage?
no

Or do I need to only need to get a UPS rated for the wattage my system draws vs the watt rating of the PSU.

Yes. However you may in the future run into a situation where you do something that uses more power than usual, and your UPS will start to beep and complain it can't keep up if you settled for a weaker one

>>57801516

No, it's best to measure the power consumption of your PC and monitor with a wattmeter (like one of those kill-a-watt devices) and then add about 20% overhead to make sure it gets powered smoothly and that you have enough time to shut down.

Also, UPS-es are usually rated in Volt-Amps (VA) which is different than watts:

https://powerquality.eaton.com/thoughtleadership/Power-Protection/va-vs-watts.asp

>>57801473
True, we are a bunch of tards

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>>57801461

what kind of loser uses the stock batteries?

>>57800166
I think you got le trolled. sorry bro

>>57801431
he's right though
I have constant power surges where I live and I have never lost a single ssd or any computer component to it

>>57799936
I fell for the Intel 730 meme and I don't have this problem

>>57801461
i lost a hdd because my UPS died
there wasn't even a power loss

>>57801903
Did tou get any warnings beforehand? What brand/model?

>>57800429
>implying its not Americans who butcher the Queen's English

>>57800188
>Battery is surge protection
I'd say you can't be serious, but.

>>57802145
it was a while ago, and it died while i was sleeping

>>57799936
too poor to buy proper SSD

>>57800867
SSD itself not plugged in

>>57802528
What sort of time are we talking about? Decades? Sd-cards ought to suffer from similar issues.

>>57802547
About 6 months for consumer-grade devices.

>>57800002
>2016
>living in a country with regular power outages

>>57801212
having a server... not investing in a UPS
dunno who is the retard here

>>57802168
he's right.. the circuits are separate.

>>57802559
It doesn't have to be regular to happen once

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>>57799936
Hi OP, tech guy here. Most likely scenario is that the e fuses inside the ssd have died and need replacing. That should get it up and working.

>>57800002
surge protections a meme

>>57802552
Source?

>hdd dies after I hit it with hammer
wow, never again

>HDD died after I shut my door a little too hard

FUcking MEMES

Should have fallen for the "uninterrupted power supply" and "quality computer power supply" memes first.

>Not buying an Intel or Samsung SSD
>Poorfag

>electricity fried my electronic device
The post

>>57802805
Only the enterprise Samsung, along with Intel 730, Intel enterprise, and Crucial mx300 have power loss caps. Maybe a sandisk also, i can't remember.

>>57799936
So wait, if I turn off my PC and unplug it the SSD will die?

>>57802889
If a cell is being written too while the power is cut the cell can lose all its data.

>>57802889
Yes of course, because that would make a lot of sense.

>>57802889
No, but leaving it unpowered in hot climates for 6+ months may corrupt your data. Theoretically.

>>57801461
>15-20 power losses
>living in 3rd world country

>>57802872

I've had complete power loss on Intel 320, 530, and Samsung 850 EVO. It's never been an issue. Matter of fact, in the last 6 years the only SSD problem I ever experienced was the 8mb bug an a 180gb 320 that was later fixed with a firmware update. I think Intel learned their lesson with that mistake. All my Intel drives have worked flawlessly since then.

>>57802964
>Living in tornado country during the early summer

>>57799936
>buying knockoff stuff from alibaba when the real thing is the same price

>>57802968
It can still potentially happen if you don't have caps on your drive. Its a standard feature on enterprise drives for a reason.

>>57799936
Which meme is that? The one that goes "I dont need a UPS because power never fails"?

>>57799936
Back to /v/ troll

>>57800002
>>power loss
>oh maybe if you had a surge protector

Idiot. Surge protectors help against the opposite of power loss; they are for when there's a power surge, so too much power being sent through. You mean an UPS, an uninterruptible power supply

>>57801838
>not using an array of High Power(tm) Lithium Polymer batteries for maximum POWER

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>he has an shit SSD
LMAOING @ UR LIFE

>>57800000
let's see where this is

>>57801838
>acid batteries
tup kok

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>>57803370

>>57803370
LMAOING @ UR GRAMMER

i bet you get all the grlz

>>57800471
what brand?

>no one here dares to plug the power cable to their power supply while their PC is on with a SSD

>>57803287

Enjoy your fire hazard

>>57803420

What kind of batteries do you think are inside a UPS? Hint: UPS-es weigh a lot.

>>57803494
My laptop and my desktop were both without power for over 4 months at a time.
No data loss occurred.

>Not having a UPS backup with a big battery

I can run my entire battlestation at full gaming load for over 20 minutes on battery, including monitors and speakers.

>>57802760
This happened to me once when I accidentally nudged my chair in to the table not all that hard, really.
Shitty Seagate drives. (although, ironically enough the drive I have in this Dell PC is a Seagate and it has run 11 years solid... PANIC)

>>57803594
Are you illiterate

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My Intel SSD has survived like 10-20 power outages without anything happening.

Though, couldn't all this be prevented by some sort of logic on the motherboard that detects when a power outage happens by measuring the drop in amperage as the charge in the PSU caps are drained miliseconds after the outage, and then quickly tells the drives to safely stop their write operations?

>>57803845
Some SSDs (like Intel's old models IIRC) have a cap built in for that exact purpose.

>>57800642
>Where I live UPS and surge protectors don't last long.
Shitty UPS.

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>>57799936
>not having a HDD backup + UPS

>>57800642
You can literally get insurance from UPS manufactures, did you cheap out?

>>57803845
>>57803877
Kek, actually there's nothing that can go wrong, OP is just memeing.

>>57803877
But I have 3 PCs with 4-5 different SSDs each, different models of different companies, some a few months old some several years.

So? What now? What bullshit are you going to make up now?

>>57803969
Are you replying to the right post? Because the Intel capacitor thing is real: http://www.mouser.com/pdfdocs/Intel_ssdplitechnologybrief.PDF.

>>57803473
>GRAMMER

classic

>>57804036
>literar meme
kek, normies are so easy to jew

>>57803494
Doing it all the time, for past 5-6 years, no problems...

Soooo.... should I not directly turn off my PC?

>>57804566
Unplugging the power is different than pressing the button on the case.

>I THING AND ME DRIVE NO WORK

>>57804775
Yes, but how bad is it?

>>57804798
Turning off your pc directly by pressing the button on the case will in the worst case corrupt your filesystem, but it will never damage the drives.

>>57804830
You mean if you just hold the button down until it kills the power?
I always thought pushing the power button and actually Start Menu>shutdown were the same thing.
Since I built my own though I've been shutting down via windows just because.

>>57804830
yeah, well then I don't give a fuck, that's what I do with my windows HDD.

Fuck windows

>>57804855
They are, but suffocating it to death by directly turning it off through the motherboard by pressing the power switch for five second is a different thing.

>>57804865
Thanks, I thought so. Isn't it just as bad as unplugging it directly or what happens when you lose power from the grid?

Not sure I want to fall for the UPS meme but I do keep it on a Belkin power/surge strip that's off whenever I'm not using it.

>>57804897
When you hold the power button down, the motherboard takes the time to make sure everything powers down safely. Not sure if it ever gives a fuck about what windows thinks about it, so its filesystem might get fucked.

When the power goes out the motherboard can't guarantee the safety of anything because it will never see it coming.

>>57803845
Caps are there to preserve the write operation of any data in the cache of the ssd. If you were saving a file during a power loss incident, your data might be corrupted, or just lost.

>>57804955
From what I've gathered, very few consumer SSDs have these caps.

>>57804981
Few consumers run into power loss issues. On a laptop, or enterprise situations you absolutely want this. Its a real concern, even the new mx300 ssd have this feature. Most consumers are demanding cheap ssd's which means a few caps saves on cost.

>>57805021
>Few consumers run into power loss issues. On a laptop, or enterprise situations you absolutely want this.

I'm pretty sure sudden power loss is never an issue on a laptop unless you remove the battery.

>>57805049
Being obtuse is not a very good argument. Your desktop typically is supplied by a constant, reliable electrical supply. Your laptop can die from leaving it on too long.

>>57800431
I left a ssd in a bag for 5 years unpowered and md5'd the anime that was on it when I heard this meme. Not a single one was corrupted.

>>57800800
I had a Crucial SSD that needed to be "power cycled" every 6 months or so until I got a new GPU and an additional SSD.

http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Crucial-SSDs/Why-did-my-SSD-quot-disappear-quot-from-my-system/ta-p/65215

fixed it for me on the first attempt but I've seen modified methods posted, too.

>>57805105
Laptop power doesn't die suddenly and without warning.

My 850 evo has gone through like 3 power black outs. Nothing happened.

I don't get it. Is this just a thing with ~2010 SSDs?

>>57805199
They deserve it for being early adopters = guinea pigs

>>57802168
That's literally how UPS's work as a surge protector. It offloads the surge to the battery...

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>>57802578
>UPS catches fire and destroys all my equipment after a power loss

Another meme I fell for.

>>57805530
>he didn't fall for the synthetic water fire suppression system meme

For real, if that is actually you I am deeply sorry for your loss.

>>57801473
You're a fucking retard.

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>>57805530

>>57801473
newfag

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>fall for the ssd meme
>write speeds become slower than mechanical hard drive in less than a year

JUST

>>57800642
>electrical is shitty where I live and destroys all of my electronics
>totally not my my SSD died though, guys

fuck off

I unplug my computer every night and I've never had any issues with my SSD's

>>57805530
>not keeping power separate from the rest of the equipment
>not using automatic fire suppression

You outjewed yourself

>>57801511
>a surge is when power is out but just for a second

You are wrong. A surge is when there is an increase in current, not a decrease.

>>57805569
Probably just some buttcoin miner

>>57799936
cheap products have bad quality? no shit sherlock
literally every ssd which is not the cheapest shit has power loss protection since 3-4 years.

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>>57803424

>>57805689
JUST shitty bait, nothing more

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>>57805689
Weak bait
> 2 year old SSD

>>57805904
Don't expect the normal /g/fag to play around with enterprise-class SSDs.

Unless you mean some Crucial and Intel consumershit SSDs with partial PLP. Which is not even the real thing.

>>57799936
I don't use any kind of SSD except for Micro SC cards and flash drives. Feels good not falling for jewish trickery. I'm not a gaymer and I can wait an extra 5 seconds on boot. You're just a stupid faggot, OP.

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>>57801473
that's not quads you dumb nigger

>none of the outlets in my house are grounded because 1940's America
>barely raining and good chance of power going out
>single surge protector power strip with all my expensive electronics plugged into it
It's only a matter of time before I lose everything.

>>57799936

>No power to ssd for short period of time
>ssd dies completely

I'm confused you lose power then it dies? Do you mean a power surge killed it?

>>57802559
>>57802581
Got you there bro

>>57805794

surge [surj]
noun
1. a strong, wavelike, forward movement, rush, or sweep:
the onward surge of an angry mob.
2. a strong, swelling, wavelike volume or body of something:
a billowing surge of smoke.
3. a sudden, strong increase or burst:
a surge of energy; surges of emotion.

It's in the name, how can anyone not get it and assume it's a decrease?

>>57803287
>not stealing a plutonium-238 battery from a dead pacemaker recipient and powering their whole battlestation with this tic-tac sized battery for the next 40 years

>>57810589
Power outages are often preceded by a series of surges, especially during lightning storms.

>>57799936
>Buying low quality SSD and complain about failures
>Having shitty PSU
>Not having a UPS
>NOT FUCKING GROUNDED
You are a retard anon.

>>57802872
Sandisk only has them in their Ultra and Extreme PRO series.

Plus series really shitty but werk.

>>57799936
>I bought a cheap chinese PSU but clearly the problem is with the SSD

>>57805199
Yes, Modern SSDs are perfect, atleast for SATA.

>>57805530
Buy a fire alarm.
Dont buy chink UPS.

>>57803278
Problems generally stem from the possible surge as power is restored, not the going out part. No respectable hardware will ever enter a state where powerless will brick it, even during a firmware update.

>>57805689
Stop buying kingston and PNY SSDs.
Yes i know the image is bait but it happens when the controller shits itself.

>>57799936
>another meme post about meme meme meme
please fall for the kill yourself meme

What about Kingdian SSD's?

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>all these poorfags with their archaic rusty spinning disks

>>57799936
>not having a UPS

>>57801212
>not having your NAS on a UPS with power loss detection and auto-shutdown
blame only yourself.

>>57810651

>amps/volts

Well lead acid is heavy, but its cheap. Just wait til you see what I have planned for all of those 7 Ah batteries that cane with the UPS, I have 50 so far

>>57808471
>>57805671
>>57805641
>baited this hard