Touch Typing?

>>57777775
Autism.

he's right, you're a particularly deficient individual

>>57777775
by drinking semen.

>>57777775
No.
I type a modest 120 WPM with a chaotic system that evolved over the last 15 years. Using all 10 fingers, but not by any standard system.

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How fast can you guys touch type? SHOW ME YOUR SCORE!

http://typing-speed-test.aoeu.eu/

Takes less than 60 seconds.

Bunch of tough guys who only shitpost and lie on the webs...

certain aspects of touch typing really helped me, such as using both ctrl and shift keys without having to think about it, but as for the rest it's still a chaotic system developed over the years

It isn't the only way to type, but it is the best way to learn how to type. It allows for development of fast typing in less time, while many of the non-traditional ways take much longer to develop a sufficient typing speed with.

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>>57777947
1 attempt, and I'm tired

>>57777775
When I started learning how to use Vim is when I decided to learn how to touch type as well, considering Vim is all about being ultra efficient while editing text.

You don't need to learn it, I've been programming for about 10 years like looking at my keyboard no problem, but touch typing does come in handy. I used the Keybr website to learn, after a few days I would just practice touch typing every bit of text/code that I was writing until it became second nature.

>>57777775
If you're looking at your hands then you need to fix it. Not using all 10 fingers is okay but 2 fingers is really bad, that's like a red flag that your inept.

I wouldn't just anyone who says they have expertise in computers and types like a grandma.

>>57777986
fuck! do u touch type?

>>57777858
>>57777867
>>57777878
still waiting for your scores, shitposting keyboard warriors.

>>57777977
>>57777999
One thing I find difficult is trying to use other fingers. They just don't feel natural on the keyboard. I wonder how long it will take me to get accustomed... I don't wanna fucking fail if I start investing time into it.

>>57777999

What program did you use to learn typing?

>>57778084
not him but gtypist is great

>>57778068
>fuck! do u touch type?
No, random chaotic 10 finger "system"

>>57777775
GREAT A NEW MEME

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>>57778096
>gtypist
is it any better than the slew of websites that teach you typing?

how the fuck does one not know how to touch type.
>>57777947
90 WPM, 452 CPM

>>57778221
>>57777947
>try again trying to replicate normal typing speed for posting or chatting, instead of deliberately trying to be fast as possible
>even faster, 503/101
well fuck me.
yeah though, you should be able to type as fast as you can read or form coherent sentences in your head.

Had to search Touch typing on youtube, only to realize that's what I'd been doing for years.

It never occurred to me that typing without looking at the keyboard was a difficult thing to do.

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>>57778221
screenshot, nigga. you're just making shit up.

anyway. this thread has proved how many shittalkers are on here who just bully and mock others yet they can't back up the talk.

pathetic.

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>>57778270
>screenshot
>implying screenshots prove anything
if you insist though, heres the second one

What the hell is touch typing?

>>57777775
I simply learned without trying, you do something long enough you'll learn how to do it without active effort, goes for typing too. I'm not very fast, I manage like 80WPM.

>>57777775
im ass

>>57778286
did you cheat? it's easy to modify numbers.

anyway, if you didn't, well done.

>>57778302
>What the hell is touch typing?
using all your fingers to type without looking.

What the fuck is touch typing? Just being able to type without looking at the keyboard?
Are there seriously people who can't do that?

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>>57778323
>I simply learned without trying, you do something long enough you'll learn how to do it without active effort, goes for typing too. I'm not very fast, I manage like 80WPM.
I bet your hands contort heavily and you don't type optimally. People who self-learn without using the proper technique end up with RSI issues.

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whew, fun!

>>57778519
are you really this butthurt that you can't do it?

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I touch type without even thinking about it, only formal instruction I had was the home row when they took us to the computer lab in elementary school.

Everyone has their own typing style, my brother uses just his index fingers and types around my speed.

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I wouldn't know.

I only touch type. To be honest, it got to a point that I feel like the keyboard is literally part of my body. I can type lying down my bed, notebook on top of the desk with my eyes closed.

I'm such a piece of shit.

>>57777775
You don't sound good at typing but that retard doesn't know what touch typing is. Touch typing is just not looking at the keys when you type.

>>57777775
>>57777777

>>57777775
Asdfghjklk

>>57777775
he is absolutely 100% right, and you sir are also a cuck

>>57778444
101wpm is respectable but it's far from something to doubt. Touch typing has nothing to do with how many fingers you use.

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>>57778519
video incoming hold on.
>tfw left hand does it right but right hand is fucked

>>57777775
It would be better if you learned to touch type.

It is faster for sure and not having to look at the keyboard has really obvious advantages.

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>>57778519

>>57778707
your left hand looks OK. right one... wtf are you doing?!?!

>>57777775
What he actually meant to say was that you are supposed to use home row position.

Basically pointer fingers go on f and g and then you practice reaching for the best key to touch with each individual finger.
You don't need to move your hands around the keyboard as much this way, and if you are typing really long non programming stuff then you are seriously slowing yourself down.

>>57778732
it's better than the webm you posted.

>>57778753
>You don't need to move your hands around the keyboard as much this way, and if you are typing really long non programming stuff then you are seriously slowing yourself down.
yeah. I guess that's the main point: minimum amount of hand movement to reduce strain and increase efficiency.

>>57778732
The right hand needs to swing out more to reach backspace and all the keys below it.
All left hand has to worry about on the side is shift and tab mostly.

In programming you may be using shit like []{}|<>;' a lot so it is less effective to use home row position than if he were typing an English paper.

>>57778732
also, it's my left hand that hurts more when i type for long periods of time. right hand never hurts.

>>57777775
Funny.. that keyboard looks just like mine. except for the space bar.

I kinda know the home row, but my brain is fucked when it comes to using shift, space, and ctrl with both hands. Always end up using my right hand for space, left hand for ctrl, and shift is a tossup. Sometimes I fuck up and reach with the wrong hand the keys close to the middle too.

>>57778812
>also, it's my left hand that hurts more when i type for long periods of time. right hand never hurts.
Weird. Improper technique then for both. I wonder how quickly you could remedy it since you seem to be utilizing all your fingers....

A buddy of mine solved his RSI issues by learning how to properly type.

>>57778824
>Funny.. that keyboard looks just like mine. except for the space bar.
日本人ですか?

>use 6gv2 because it was on sale once
>completely fucked up my ability to touch type due to its unique non-standard layout
>end up mostly using one handed typing anyway because right hand is usually on mouse
should i even try and correct this bad behavior or just live with it in hopes of brain machine interfaces becoming safe and affordable to replace keyboards?

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>>57777775
I normally get about 94 WPM so this is a little below average for me.
No touch typing and I pretty much only use my index fingers.

>>57777775

Is this really a thing? Is it like morse code or drawing figures that it can recognize or how? He's a fucking hipster retard if he's actually suggesting this and mocking you for typing with a keyboard like you're fucking supposed to do it in the first place.

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>>57778958
>only use my index fingers.

>>57779087
Index finger and thumb and that's pretty much it but it works well for me so I don't really care too much.

Is 90 supposed to be good?

>>57778051
>your inept.
>your
>YOUR
You're

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>>57777775
I keep my fingers on WASD instead of home row but it's whatever
I can get 120 but I'm usually floating around 110

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>>57777947
>only 48
lel

>>57779366
>only 74
lel

>>57779375
Better than 48 /t/ /b/ /h/.
But yeah, I'm relatively slow.

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Around 100-110 wpm is average for me, I don't feel like I need to type any faster.

Yeah you should be able to touch type. All that means is you can type while not looking at the keyboard, that doesn't mean that you have to have perfect typing technique, just don't hunt-and-peck.

A lot of us have funky habits when we type, but you can still touch type even with them.
For example, me
>use my left hand fully on home keys
>but right hand is weird
>don't use right ring finger at all
>hit space button with right index finger
>only use pinky for shift

You can do it OP, I believe in you.

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I managed 82WPM on my thinkpad T420, on my desktop I have a mechanical keyboard where I can generally hit 95-110wpm.

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>>57779366
>only 74

>>57777777

>>57778851
i play fingerstyle guitar so my right hand is basically retarded compared to my left.

>>57778495
Are there seriously retards that don't know what touch typing is?

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>>57777947
Test gave me the same word 3 times in a row, weird shit

>>57777775

Ask him to show you how he touch types on his smart phone.

>>57779523
I also play classical guitar and I have the same issues. Weird, but I'm glad I'm not alone.

>>57777986
>1 attempt, and I'm tired
They could tell, that's why they advised you to take a 2 minute break lol.

>>57777912
this I kinda like. but nobody actually uses all fingers, they peck with their forefingers

>>57778068
bro, just rest your fingers in the middle line of the alphabetic keys and type with all your fingers, reaching the farthest keys in words with your outer fingers, moving the hands only when necessary. Place attention on what you are the least comfortable with and you'll git gud soon. Perhaps you should try that benchmark with the technique I explained to you. Good luck.

How many here can touch type all of the ASCII characters (alphanumerical + all symbols)?

>>57778519
so much this. love the webm

>>57777775 (OP)
Nice palindrome, kys for being off by two

Icarus proudbottoms teaches typing

>>577777777

>>57778613
"you merely adopted the technology. I was born with it, molded by it"

>>57779523
>i play fingerstyle guitar so my right hand is basically retarded compared to my left.
then this should be walk in the park for you. pianists can type without issues and can learn how to type in like a day.

>>57779634
>but nobody actually uses all fingers, they peck with their forefingers
I have trouble believing this, do you have proof on that?

Do the touch typists mention their skill in their resumes? Does it have a potential to help (in that it is valued by those who are hiring), or is it risky because you might end up being assigned tasks consisting of mindlessly typing half the day?

>>57779608

fug. touchtype?

>>57779649
>touchtype triforce
we're reaching autism levels that shouldn't even be possible

>>57779689
you could put it if you thought its a real skill (120+wpm maybe) otherwise they probably wont care so long as it doesnt hinder you

>>57779678
Piano isn't the same as guitar...

>>57779687
in between the peck and hunt and the chaotic self-taught there is the average joe tripod peck and hunt. its more common than you think. ring finger and pinky never get used

>>57779689
>you might end up being assigned tasks consisting of mindlessly typing half the day?

sounds pretty good to me

>>57779711
I asked because I do, and wanted to find out how common that is. If you need symbols a lot (which is the case if you're programming and/or using the shell often), being able to touch type only letters kinda defeats the purpose.

>tfw can also read/write text in raw hex, or even binary if necessary/if can be arsed to

>>57779739
>so long as it doesnt hinder you

How would touch typing hinder you?

>>57777775
nice get anon

>>57779812
singles are not a get newfag

>>57779820
Almost anything can be a get idiot, 123456789 is a get, 577777775 is a palindrome get, not everything has to be muh repeating digits

>>57779801
mean to say that if not touch typing doesnt hinder you, dont feel bad about not having touch typing on a resume

>>57779774
>ring finger and pinky never get used
Anon I have to confess something to you...

my pinky game is weak as fuck, i can't stretch it

>>57777775
>as long as you don't look at the keyboard your g.

There's a thing called intelisense.

How do touch typists cope with the apparent demise of keyboards that are suitable for that (especially on laptops)?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2015/apr/02/laptops-suitable-for-high-speed-typists

Also, what are the prospects of touch typing staying relevant in the future given that as we speak a new generation is growing up to whom touch screens rather than keyboards are the primary and most natural/intuitive way to interact with computing devices? Will they keyboard go the way of CRT screens once they grow up and constitute the bulk of the workforce and society in general?

>>57779838
I didn't ask if one should feel bad if can't touch type, but rather if one who does touch type should mention in in their resume.

>>57779895
>my pinky game is weak as fuck, i can't stretch it
this. my ring finger as well. I never use them for typing.

>>57779648
>>>57778068 (You)
>bro, just rest your fingers in the middle line of the alphabetic keys and type with all your fingers, reaching the farthest keys in words with your outer fingers, moving the hands only when necessary. Place attention on what you are the least comfortable with and you'll git gud soon. Perhaps you should try that benchmark with the technique I explained to you. Good luck.
Thanks bro!

>>57779916
Constantly type like shit on laptops unless it's mine.

I think typing will eventually fade away but that's like 20+ years at the minimum. Typing will always be a way to interface with a certain type of machine.

>>57777962
Pretty much the same.

It's mostly index typing, but other fingers jump in at certain times in order to make it easier. Never need to look at the keyboard, which is more of a factor in typing speed than the fingers themselves.

>>57777777

>>57779697
I don't type "correctly," but I don't look at the keyboard and I do use all 10 fingers.

>>57780008
What a failget

I got 279 CPM and 56 WPM. That's way better than a few years ago when I was around 36-42 WPM

>>57780031
>I don't type "correctly," but I don't look at the keyboard and I do use all 10 fingers.

Does it look like this vid >>57778519 ?

>>57778161
I learned how to touch type about 5 years ago from gtypist, and IMO the major advantage is its simplicity; you don't get any of the gimmicky stuff like random, rather boring games, and the emphasis is on well-designed typing exercises. Not everyone will like the barebones approach, but there's a reason it's still the GNU typing program after 20 years of GNOMEification.

For reference, with my standard idiosyncratic method of typing I achieved about 55-60 WPM and now I can type about 115-120 WPM. I also supplemented the exercises with a bit of practice on TypeRacer after I'd gotten used to it, although I don't recommend competition-oriented websites before you've at least mastered all the letter keys because you're likely to develop bad habits.

>>57780150
Cool bro. I have an implementation question...

How often did you practice? And when did you do it (before bed? morning?)

And finally, how the fuck do you transition? I tried few exercises and they teach you finger position and single letter position. Fine. But during the day, do you revert to you old shitty typing? How the fuck do you switch?

>>57777947
>Doesn't even work on mobile

>>57780137
and holy shit typing 1 handed I got 138 cpm and 28 wpm. Half the hands, half the speed. Who would have thought.

>>57780381
>typing on mobile
top kek

>>57779882
And there's coke out my nose on my keyboard. Thanks fucker

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what do i win?

>>57780612
kek. what android autocomplete keyboard did you use?

That guy's an idiot.

>>57780750
yeah he is. Who?

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LMAO dumb mongoloid

>>57780493
Swype is quicker than 10 fingers pleb

>>57781086
>>57781098
keyboards are truly dead. touch-typing is dead.

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>>57777947
I honestly didn't expect this

>>57781207
KEK'd. You clearly edited the score.

>>57781285
I swear on my life I didn't. I screenshotted my score the second after I did my first attempt. I have no reason to lie about how fast I type on an anonymous imageboard.

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>>57777947
>did better than I though I would
>still the second slowest person ITT

>>57781285
Actually I just realized that I haven't closed the tab yet. I'll screenshot anything specific on the page if you still don't believe me.

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>>57782487

>>57777775

Typing of the Dead

Learned when I was 20, now 23.

Learned in exactly 9 days, with ~6 hours of play time.

Worth every god damn penny.

/thread

>>57782773

You practiced for 6 hrs every day? WTF man?!?!?!

>>57777947
44 wpm
not bothering with the pic since it's not really a score worth lying about.

>>57782487
Now thats blazing fast.

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>>57782851
finally an honest anon. mine was 48 which is basically the same as yours. a lot of ppl cheated in this thread (some are supposedly faster than Guinness world of record holders).

>>57777775
he's sort of right

I grew up on computers w/o any kind of typing instruction and quickly got to ~100 wpm

i was faster than pretty much everyone i encountered IRL but I never used my pinkies, and I remember I used my index finger to hit spacebar

and then I was comparing typing test scores with an online friend who would consistently get ~110-120, and I got mad. I asked him if he touch-typed, and he said he did

so I learned how to do it and gained about 20wpm

I'd recommend it since it's not too hard to train the new habit

>>57782773
this game's good, I'd recommend it

>>57782888
If the test had numbers I would have been a lot lower than 44. I learned in high school where we had paper taped over the keyboards. I always cheated and counted the keys with my finger to find the right number.

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i think there is something wrong

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>>57782957

>>57777775
I type 133.~ WPM according to some software and tests. With 3 fingers on the right and 2 on the left.

>>57781285
i got 122wpm with 610cpm and it's only because i got thrown off my rhythm when i made one mistake and couldn't figure out which word I was typing for a second. I definitely could get close to 140 wpm

most people in this thread that are around 100wpm probably have fast enough fingers to hit 120-140 on that test, it's just a matter of familiarizing your brain/intuition with typing tests. Reading the next word in advance and mentally envisioning how you're going to type it before you type it

>>57779711
There's really nobody else who operates the whole keyboard without having to look at the keys? How are you doing when programming, touch typing letters hunting and pecking everything else?

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>>57777947
>http://typing-speed-test.aoeu.eu/

>>57777775
How do you enter japanese characters with this keyboard??? that's a mac, right? so what key do you press?

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>>57777947
My technique is shit and sometimes I'll end up typing entire words with one finger.

I'm still faster than 99.9% of all computer users.

>>57777775
I would like to comment (you) on your digits. they are very pleasing.

>>57782989
He's talking about knowing all special characters you get with alt+numkeys

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since where talking about typing websites this is my best speed on https://www.nitrotype.com/stats

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I type with two middle fingers, looking at keyboard while I type.

When I was a kid it was just called typing. It's not difficult to learn.

>>57783024
Nah, that's a bit excessive (although doable if you know the decimal codes of the characters of your loaded codepage/Unicode). I meant being able to touch type all the characters which are on the keyboard, including digits and symbols, as well as operating special purpose keys (the latter being much easier as they are all located at the edge of the key cluster and/or are clustered in small groups).

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>>57783018
>I'm still faster than 99.9% of all computer users.
their algo for calculating average is garbage. I bet they're counting tons of bullshit scores and unfinished scores.

>>57783037
not bad for pecking like a chicken.

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>>57777947

>>57783037
Probably more impressive than the higher scoring touch typists.

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>>57777775
>because, as a programmer, I'll spend years of my life typing
only if you are shit programmer

>>57783037
>Instead of "weight", you typed "travel".
I laughed way too hard at this.

>>57783101
Enlighten us, what does the good programmer do with his time?

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>>57783131
thinking, reading, planning, automating

>>57783131
This is how I can tell you've never worked on any personal projects.

Most of my time is spent planning how the different parts of my program will fit together and maybe writing out some structs and function declarations in the comments.

Writing code is the easy part, regurgitating syntax takes no effort on your part.
It's like swinging a hammer, this requires no mental effort on your part, you already know where to insert nails.

>>57783168
>planning
Worst idea ever.
As a programmer, you have tools to prototype instead of planning. Not using those is just shooting yourself in the foot.

>>57783170
I spent a gigantic amount of time writing projects, both as a part of my job and personally. If you're planning something beforehand, you're wasting your time, because you either already know the subject well enough to implement it without planning, or don't know it well enough and your plans are worthless because of that.

>>57783193
Like I said, you're a shit programmer who wastes all his type typing like a retard.

I already told you how to avoid that and you insist that it's amateurish to have an ounce of forethought when writing code instead of writing literal dogshit in your safe padded walls sandbox language and sending it into PRODUCTION because it just works!

Enjoy your RSI.

>>57783214
*wastes all his time

>>57783214
Didn't say it's amateurish, I said it's a waste of time. There are situations where it's almost unavoidable.

But given that programmer is almost the only profession where it literally costs nothing to prototype instead of planning, willing not making use of this when you is a waste of time.

>writing literal dogshit
It should be dogshit. When you don't know the subject well enough, your code should look like dogshit. You will gain insight by writing it and will refoactor it to be better. You won't gain insight by fucking planning.

>>57783241
>willingly not making use of this when you can is a waste of time*

>>57783241
Are you sure you understand what planning is?
I don't mean something time-wastey and pajeet-tier like writing UML diagrams.

Why are you being so hostile?

Idk how people don't touch type. I learned to type early grade school. I used that one program with the sandman or time traveler whatever he was. If you want to learn I'd recommend that.

I'm already in bed but on average I type 70-100 wpm depending on how frozen my hands are.

>>57783251
>Why are you being so hostile?
I honestly can't tell if this is meant to be ironic. I can't tell at this point. Read your posts. Read mine.
I made zero statements about you, and you're calling me a shit programmer, saying I type like a retard. I can't. I literally can't anymore.

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I've been typing like this forever.
https://a.uguu.se/zGquhVrxIpFS_typething.mp4

I learned to type on a manual Sears typewriter which was too large for my child hands and needed to be punched hard, which is why I only use some of my fingers and in a peck style. It stuck with me when I moved on to an electronic typewriter and eventually a computer keyboard. I had to use typewriters because my handwriting was/is shit and we couldn't afford a computer for printing.

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>>57783350
>I've been typing like this forever.

How can you hold your hands and wrists up in the air like that? You'll have carpal tunnel surgery by the time you turn 30.

>>57783406
I use the wrist rest with the ball of my wrist but also switch to part of my arm a little farther down when the wrist itself is hovering. I also rest my elbows on the arms of my chair.

It's hard to see in the video but I'm mostly resting my right hand on the cuff of my jacket, it's puffy and black so it probably looks like it's floating/sliding. Normally (outside of winter) it's flush with the wrist rest.

I'm almost thirty now and have no issues with either of my arms or hands, I've also been typing like that since at least 7 on a near daily basis, for sure more than most people. Maybe it will kill me suddenly.

>>57779125
94wpm with index fingers only is impressive as fuck.

>>57783406
>How can you hold your hands and wrists up in the air like that? You'll have carpal tunnel surgery by the time you turn 30.

I type like this as well

please no

>>57777947
65wpm

How do fags even get 120+? how?

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>>57783458
Just reading that gave me shivers and wrist pain.

Seriously, re-learn how you type.

>>57783544
>I type like this as well
Relearn it.

Read this and never type in a CLAW fashion! That;s the absolute worst way to type because it causes so much damage over time.

http://www.ergomatters.co.uk/blog/rsi/typing-with-clawed-hands/

>>57783566
>How do fags even get 120+? how?
Right click. Inspect. Edit the number. Take screenshot.

>9th grade
>doing touch typing class
>can type supremely fast but only for about 30 seconds before i start making mistakes
>get my friend to click cancel on the typing java applet thing while im still going
>end up with like 70wpm with 2 finger key pecking
>teacher says i'm a bullshit artist when i hand in my result
>show her my mad skillz for one sentence worth of typing
>get put on class leaderboard first place
nothin personnell kid

>>57783062
I can type most of them, the ones I need while programming I can do flawless, but I still suck at using the number row. I also never use my left pink. It's always on shift or control, I just type Q, A & Z with my ring finger.

>>57783599
Are you supposed to have your wrists floating all he time in mid-air as you type so that your palms are level with your forearms at all times? That makes typing a lot less precise and controlled as a resting writs provides an anchor point to the hand helping it stay properly oriented over the homerow. With the hand floating it drifts much more and speed/accuracy/comfort suffers.

>>57783655
>I still suck at using the number row
But lots of symbols frequently used in programming are there precisely. !#*()-+=

>I also never use my left pink. It's always on shift or control
Ever tried to press control with the ball of your palm just below the pinky, with the hand barely moving if at all?

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How's this?

how do you use the trackpoint if you can't touch type

>>57783599
I tried migrating to a homerow style but didn't like it, it seems to be much better for words but I feel like a lot of my time is actually spent doing meta tasks like switching windows, entering program specific macros, or typing numbers+symbols. Lots of time spent away from or switching to things that are not letters, like the keypad, arrow keys, alt, or even the mouse.

That being said I would like to evaluate it again, especially if my current system is in fact damaging. It's just very hard of a habit to break out of when I type like this without thinking and have to type daily. I violate the homerow on accident and only stay in bounds while practicing, immediately typing my way when I'm done, not out of spite or anything, it's just muscle memory.

I think I need a smaller keyboard as well, typing number keys with the homerow feels harder than it should be, things like ctrl, alt, and backspace are just as bad.

>>57783544
I hope you're doing your wrist exercises. I was always told to do them anyway if you're typing a lot.

>>57783722
>I tried migrating to a homerow style but didn't like it, it seems to be much better for words but I feel like a lot of my time is actually spent doing meta tasks like switching windows, entering program specific macros, or typing numbers+symbols.

I can assure you that you can touch type all the keys of the main key cluster with ease using the home row method.

>>57778519
I type similarly to the second guy and hit 99 WPM. Is it even worth learning how to do it correctly at this point?

>>57783722
>ctrl
Press with palm ball under the pinky.
>alt
Curl the thumb away from space to press alt. the same goes for menu and winkey (only here you must curl the thumbs much more).
>backspace
Right pinky, no problem whatsoever, just a mechanical reflex. You can also develop reflexes to hit delete and insert accurately with your pinky, or even home/end/pgup/pgdn. It takes time and effort but it's doable and worth it.

>>57783733
I don't know what my problem is, there's a lot of variables here. Initially I thought either my keyboard was too big or my hands were too small, I measured from the tip of my middle finger to the wrist and it's 7 inches. I'm assuming this board uses a standard layout but I'm not sure if I'm in line with it. Foregoing that I don't know if the curved wrist wrest is bad over a higher and flatter one, or if I need to bring my elbows up.

I can hit every key but not from the same position, what I mean is I keep my fingers on the homerow but have to scoot the wrist forward to hit the numbers then back again.

I guess I never put thought into hand or arm position, only finger to keys assignment. Do you have any guidelines or advice on this kind of thing?

>>57783767
Thanks for the tips, especially the alt one.

>>57783686
I suck at typing numbers, but these special chars for programming are fine, since it had become a reflex. The control with the ball under my pinkey is weird for me. I cant reach my keys far away anymore since I do most combinations with one hand.

I can't type exceptionally fast because I use my index and middle fingers on both hands, my right ring finger for the higher-up punctuation kets, and my right thumb for the spacebar. But I work faster using this method than trying to touch-type, and I'm old enough to where I'm more comfortable typing "my way" than trying to learn touch-typing.

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>>57783658
>Are you supposed to have your wrists floating all he time in mid-air as you type so that your palms are level with your forearms at all times?
NO! Your wrists should lay on the desk in front of the keyboard. If you can't do that with your keyboard, REPLACE it ASAP. Or get some kind of a support for your wrists (gel pad etc).

I prefer keyboards that are low to the desk. Also, if your keyboard has those little lifts at the back, never prop them up!

>>57783702
not bad but how many fingers do you use to type with and what does your form look like?

>>57783566
Practice. I use to work at a call center and had to transcribe every conversation with a customer.

I use 2-3 fingers on each hand + thumb and type around 60 wpm without really trying.

I think that's alright isn't it?

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>>57779916
>How do touch typists cope with the apparent demise of keyboards that are suitable for that (especially on laptops)?

>>57777947
Your score: 162 CPM (that is 32 WPM)

does anyone have a smaller keyboard (small laptop size) that they use with one hand?

>>57784169
>Also, if your keyboard has those little lifts at the back, never prop them up!

Very true. Slanting the keyboard may benefit hunters-peckers, but is detrimental to touch typists.

I just learned touch-typing this year, and I'm approaching 70 wpm. Used to do a similar thing with mostly index and middle fingers, relying more on muscle memory on a word to word basis rather than letter to letter. I also had to look down at the keyboard at least once every few words to get my bearings.
Now that I finally learned touch typing it's like a revelation. Not having to look down at my keyboard at all is so much better, and it just generally feels better. I also switched to an american layout on my keyboard to help with programming (european ISO layouts are terrible for that), and the transition was really smooth since I didn't have the cognitive dissonance of looking down at one character and typing another.
I used keybr to learn, and I found it helped with learning purely how to type from key to key rather than making you familiar with a certain set of words. After I got comfortable with every single key I started practising on longer, coherent texts, and my speed kept climbing.

>>57784452
Ok, now how are bystanders going to react? Not to mention, you have to lug a keyboard around in addition to the laptop. Also you have to disable the laptops keyboard somehow so it does not register key presses which might be invoked by the keyboard lying on top.

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>>57784548
>going to

this has been my setup at work for a year now
by the way I don't put the hhkb on the laptop like that, I actually do pic related.

>>57784545
>I also switched to an american layout on my keyboard to help with programming (european ISO layouts are terrible for that)

Very good choice. Just yesterday there was a thread where a lot of desperates were calling the ANSI layout inferior, based on nothing else than themselves being used to an ISO layout and stuck with it.

>After I got comfortable with every single key I started practising on longer, coherent texts, and my speed kept climbing.

If you're programming or using the shell often, learn to touch type ALL of the keys, including numbers/symbols. It's going to be tedious at the beginning (much more so than learning to touch type letters, as there's no coherent words/texts you can type with numbers and symbols), but it will pay off hugely later if you can type all the ASCII characters without ever having to look down on the keyboard anymore.

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>>57777947
well i guess it's pretty good having fucked up a few words and having to delete them

>>57779300
getting from 110 to 120 isn't trivial though.

>>57784607
Yeah, I'm already pretty comfortable with the symbols, still have some trouble with numbers 5-7 but I'm working on it.
I really can't believe that anybody could look at the ANSI and ISO layout and say that the ISO is anywhere near as well thought out for programming. It seems to me like ISO was developed more with word-processing in mind.

>>57780612
second place doesn't win anything here

>>57777775
>Amount of fingers being relevant to if you're touch typing or not
What? It's just not looking at the keyboard and instead knowing where the keys are by touch, right?

>mfw all these high wpm without puctuation

I bet you guys are shit once ,.;'?-+=- are involved

How do you guys get faster at touch typing? Only on very good days do I ever breach 80WPM. Throw some captial letters or punctuatio in thee and my skill plummets. It's even worse when I'm programming, and that's what I do most the time. My pinkies hate me.

>>57777777

>>57785112
>>57785112
Get some literature, put it in front of you, and you start copying it word for word as fast as you can. Eventually you'll get faster.

Then get a mechanical keyboard and learn how to type all over again because bottoming out is a waste. I could probably get significantly better than the ~100 I usually get if I could learn how to not bottom out.

>year of gayming got me used to rest my left finger on the d
>now whenever I try to touchtype and I have to bring the left hand in the right position I still put the finger on the d
This sucks.
Gaymes, never again.

>>57777947
>72WPM
No use in typing fast if your brain can't think that fast right?

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A lot of my job is transcribing interview and focus group data that I've recorded on a Dictaphone so the typing comes in really handy.

I learned in primary school.

>>57785706
Because you're 10 years old and using an autotyper in RS gets you banned, so you either type at 100+ WPM to spam your sales pitch, or you get drowned out by everyone else.

>>57780170
There's no denying that it's difficult to switch. I tried for the most part to avoid typing much at all during the initial period; if you have a backlog of anime, TV, or video games it's a good time to make use of it. When I absolutely had to type during my transition I tried to avoid traditional laptop/desktop computers altogether outisde of the exercises and instead made use of an Android tablet when I needed to access the Internet. (I'm assuming you don't have school essays due, a programming job, or anything else that requires you to type frequently. If you do, some reversion is inevitable but keep practicing and touch-type whenever you can after you master most of the alphabetic keys).

I practiced about ~90min/day (with two short breaks) when I got home from work, and gradually decreased that after I learned all the letter and basic punctuation keys. The important thing is that you practice daily for at least 30min and take a good break if you find yourself too frustrated to continue. More practice than 30min will speed up the process, but it is imperative you take regular breaks and set a schedule you can keep to.

You will likely have to wait two or three weeks before you start getting into proficiency territory, by which I mean the letters and basic punctuations keys in the correct method at about ~40wpm. I got there in about a week and a half, but I had nothing important to do and am too autistic to stay away from the computer very long, so YMMV.

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>>57786202
For me it's an unhealthy dose of IRC.

>>57778519
Why the fuck is the touch typist moving his hand over to hit enter with his ring finger, instead of just tapping it with his pinky?

>>57777777

>>57777947
>tfw 24 wpm...
I will blame not being used to my laptop keyboard and there being some words I almost never type

>play a game without absolutely any voice chat extensively for about 5 years starting when I was about 9
>end up having better wpm than anyone I meet (except some guy I met on said game who I hang with alot now, who is around equal with me)

>>57782957
>you made 40 mistakes(out of 39 words)
What?

>>57786960
It does seem that most people I meet who are very proficient at typing learned by playing wow or something similar.

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Eh.. not the worse, but some here are definitely better typists than me.
But it doesn't really matter how fast you type as a programmer, as long as you type at a decent speed.
It's not as if you're going to be making solutions as fast as you type in programming anyway.

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>>57786399
mine is mainly world of warcraft, haha.

>>57777775
I played typing of the dead it has tutorials and its fun to play
I wasn't good at the game at all but I learned to touch type quite fast

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I recently switched to Dvorak, and I've been lucky to get 50wpm when before I'd be disappointed with 75. I'd like to get back to being somewhat competent soon.

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Meh.
Tried to typing in dutch. I have no clue of the language.
Not that bad I guess.

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>>57777947
I honestly thought that I was slower.

>>57787015
typed it twice probably.

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>>57787958
>I recently switched to Dvorak
You fell for the meme.

>>57777947
Nigger I was faster using my blackberry holy fuck

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>>57789938
Forgot proof.

>beating 84% of all people using two thumbs on a tiny as fuck phone keyboard with no autocorrect or autofill

>>57779916
Learn to adapt, or else you will become a cantankerous and out of touch old man who constantly complains about the "damn kids these days with their their touch screens and VR desktops and rainbow socks."

I don't touch type but I can get up to 95 wpm (avg seems to be 85-90 though)

What I do is look up and take in the next two or three words while i finish the last set of two or three words I remember. So it really makes no difference whether I touch type or not because I only need to look away from the keyboard for the duration it takes me to hit one or two keys and for all other times, I know what I need to type next while looking at the keyboard

I change keyboards too frequently to have the muscle memory for touch typing

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>>57778286
>the faggot HAD to include his shitty fucking screenfetch with his mindbogglingly retarded joke of a colorscheme for any work at all and his weebnigger username/hostname

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>>57777947
89 WPM, I've done a bit faster but I got jammed up and stalled myself anytime I hit a typo. Probably could do better on a different keyboard as well.

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>>57777947

I don't even think I'm that good. There's evidently quite a few people who type faster than me. I'm also using a ThinkPad chiclet keyboard. I don't like keys with lots of travel like proper desktop keyboards.

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>>57777947
I don't use the standard home row key thing we were taught in middle school. Only really use 6 fingers, index, middle, ring. Thumb is on space duty and pinky is on the shift bench. Maybe it gets to hit A every now and then. For something like "front". F= left index, R = left middle, O = right ring, N = right index, then I just move my left middle finger over and smash that T.

>>57778732
>index finger hitting space

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>when the pinky hits da heavy key from a old ass rusty microsoft keyboard

>>57783507
I didn't really think it was but thanks.

>not using your N-key rollover keyboard for stenography and typing 225-360 WPM with zero strain

https://youtu.be/Wpv-Qb-dB6g
https://youtu.be/CRXiNMS9JuY

>>57790265
that's why it's believable anon

>>57793042
2nd vid was interesting

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>>57777947
>http://typing-speed-test.aoeu.eu/
first try

got "white your man" as a string of words

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>>57777775
Nice palindrome digits, pal.

What about fingernails and manicure?

Our fingers are our key element in achieving success with any typing method, so what about proper fingernails?

>inb4 what are the virusses and bacteria below my fingernails, my PSU has 1000 watts

>>57790265
I just brought up the terminal to hide a chat window I was too lazy to minimize, and 'screenfetch' came to mind before 'scrot'.
But man, it sure made you mad though, didn't it.

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>>57778866
I don't into japanese.

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>>57777947
I hate my fingers

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>>57777947
>http://typing-speed-test.aoeu.eu/
getting better

>>57795802

Jap ThinkPad? How much did you pay for it and why did you buy it if you don't speak jap?

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i learned touch typing recently, it's p sweet

>>57796525
weeb ofc

130wpm

type with 6 fingers

learned young when I needed to type fast in first person shooters while also not taking eyes off screen

>>57796648
What the hell do you need to type fast in a FPS for?

>>57796611
>weeb ofc
Kek'd! So how do you input all those jap characters? What key do you press?

>>57796525
I was out of a computer and needed one cheap, first one I seen on ebay, pic showed english keyboard, it's not a big deal anyway. and it was $100

>>57796741
not him, but so you can communicate with others during short breaks from shooting at people

>>57796789
no fucking clue never changed layout to JP. Let me try it brb

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>>57796928
>no fucking clue never changed layout to JP. Let me try it brb
>>57796966

Thanks! I always wondered how japs type shit

So how do you switch between Jap/Ascii keys?

>>57796979
I don't understand either, different combinations of keys result in different japanese characters in the JP layout.

But I never have it on JP layout only on US, and it works just like any regular US. My problem is its really hard to find symbols sometimes because they don't match what's on the keyboard.

Do people in programming jobs actually give a fuck about your typing style or WPM?

Please respond.

>>57778810
>The right hand needs to swing out more to reach backspace and all the keys below it.

Not if you use the correct fingers to reach those keys.

>>57797405
just like dressing well, taking a shower every day & not smelling funky, typing style does influence people's opinion of you. if they see you typing fast, they know you've invested time into a useful skill for your job.

no one will fire you for typing with 2 fingers but you might look stupid in the eyes of your coworkers.

anyway, that's just my take on it.

>>57797012
>I don't understand either, different combinations of keys result in different japanese characters in the JP layout.
>But I never have it on JP layout only on US, and it works just like any regular US. My problem is its really hard to find symbols sometimes because they don't match what's on the keyboard.
Fuck that's weird! BTW, I believe that's hiragana.

>>57778812
>left hand

It's because you're putting weight on the palm of your left hand, keeping the arm immobile and over-stressing the wrist.

Your right hand is more mobile, you're allowing your entire forearm to move in order to accommodate it.

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This is mostly on my chicklet laptop, I do a bit better on my real keyboard. Self taught chaotic system but I'm pretty sure I use all of my fingers.

>>57777775
>Does anyone here touch type? How did you learn it?

Yes. My first typing class was a portion of programming class in 8th grade.

My second, full typing class was in 10th grade.

By the time I graduated high school, I could hit about 120wpm. Not long after that, RSI set in. By the time I graduated college and started working, I had developed debilitating tendinitis.

I switched to a Kenises ergo keyboard (after trying a few other styles), re-learned to type Dvorak, got physical therapy, and never had significant problems again.

These days I type about 90wpm in Dvorak and a bit less in QWERTY.

When a programmer stops hand has to look at the keys, it always makes me think a bit less of them though so many do it, and can't type properly. Though its really not hard to do, start typi g with your hands covered or change layout to Dvorak and you'll start getting it. Too me about 3 weeks.

>>57797448
>>57797578
Huh weird

This is something I had literally never thought about but then again I'm a complete autist

Is development really such a time-sensitive task that the difference between 80wpm and 120wpm is significant?

I find I pause frequently to think about what I'm doing and look over what I've just written

>>57797578
>being this much of an elitist neckbeard

>>57797578
I watched some tutorial on YT of some guy teaching some prog language and he typed like a retard and made so many mistakes. After few min, I quit watching.

Knowing how to type does make a difference.

I dont get how you guys dont already know how to touch type...

>>57777777

>>57777775
Unless you're a transcriber, there's no point in typing fast, and even then you'd have a stenograph. Try to think before you type, saves you a lot of time.

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>>57777775
You should learn to type blindly, but as a programmer, you're not gonna need speed. A better idea might be to find a keyboard layout that's more suitable for typing special characters commonly used in C-like languages. That will help you much more than trying to become some elite QWERTY-typist.

>>57778519
holy fuck i type just like this but my hands are much bigger so it's easy to move around the keyboard. I type over 100 words per minute.

should i learn touch typing? or is it a meme?

>>57777775
I worked with a guy that hit 105wpm with 2 fingers per hand and his thumbs, so unless you feel it necessary, probably not.
On the otherhand, I learned to touch type a few months ago and it feels pretty satisfying and does make life at a keyboard for 8 hours a day just a bit easier.

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>>57777947
looks like you need to learn to touch type. that WPM is kindergarten level, son

>>57799350
no, you should learn touch typing not for speed but to minimize chances of getting an RSI. if you're a programmer, you'll be typing all day long. even if it's in bursts, you'll be pressing those keys.

so just fucking learn how to properly touch-type if you're gonna use the keyboard for 8 hrs every day.

it's like playing a piano every day and not knowing how to press keys properly.

>>57777775
>he didn't learn touch typing from hours of spamming the chat in runescape
Look at him and laugh.