/pcbg/ - PC Building General: Special Christmas Plans Edition

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Anon from Poland here. Want to build cheap pc to play games, because my laptop is getting old and I have to play overwatch on lowest settings to keep him at 60 fps.
What do you think about pic rel? I want to spend ~500usd (~2k pln, eurocuck tax hurts) and I'll mostly play Overwatch and Dark Souls 3, watch movies and lurk 4chin.

I'm replacing a dual LGA 771 Xeon server to serve virtual desktops to different tablets/laptops, but I don't know what to replace it with. Should I build this successor model
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pDLstJ
or a smaller single socket server for the non-gaming VMs and a dedicated gaming server for the two VMs I'm migrating?

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>>57776812
Sorry, a dual LGA 1366 server

>>57776757
2k PLN is a very tight budget. Do you have any parts to reuse?

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Since I'm a cheap fuck I scavenged some old parts from the schools Mac (with permission) and was wondering if it's worth using. Rained on once

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Can I leave this unplugged? Where the hell does it go?

Also the power supply has a bunch of leftover plugs, do they just stay unplugged in a corner?

Got myself an FX-8350 on the cheap plus an RX-480 8gb on the cheap. Same ones in the list.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RYrmm8

Thinking of what parts to get for the rest. Thoughts on my list?

Please no muh ayymd posting.

>>57777061
Noticed I forgot my power supply in that list. My bad.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nPsmm8

>>57777014
You can leave them unplugged, just make sure you have good cable management so they don't simply fly around in your PC.

ughhh. My power supply has no 4 pin but a 6pin pci connector? am i fugged?

>>57776757
CPU should be of better quality than the graphics card

>>57777061
>>57777093
>falling for the ayymd meme
>125W TDP
>reference cooler Housefire™ GPU
You fucked up for good, son. Anyways, here's a cheaper build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G68jBP

>>57777204
nvm just plugged it in as 6. also it didnt have another square is that ok? pattern wasnt same

This really is /vgcag/ - Video Game Console Assembly General

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>>57777452
90% of steam users have igpu's, pcmr can't even run 1080

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>>57777452
>the purpose of my life is to shitpost the same boring trash on every thread on /g/ every day of my miserable life
Get out of your mom's basement and get a life, kid.

>>57777440
>125W TDP

What does that even mean I'm new to this.

And the GPU has good reviews?

Why include not one, but two extra fans?

I assume you're trolling before you back up anything.

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>>57777014
>>57777119
ok so I did find the piece and it's this right? But doesn't it get the power from the motherboard because this shit won't fit or is this the power?

>>57777555
TDP = the maximum amount of power the cooling system in a computer is required to dissipate

so i just build my first pc with a pirated copy of windows 10. its saying i need to activate it cuz shit aint legit. how do i activate this copy?

>>57777790
you buy a key at r/microsofthardwaresales for like $40

>>57777831
>r/microsofthardwaresales
woops microsoftsoftwareswap

>>57777831
>>57777790
Win 10 Pro for $21.90

http://www.mmoga.com/Software/Windows/Microsoft-Windows-10-Professional-OEM.html?currency=USD

>>57777093
>>57777061
Updated my list.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TKXnyf

Thoughts? I like full towers, and I'd prefer using two ram sticks as opposed to one. If one fucks up I can still use my rig.

>>57777859
damn, so no exploits exist to validate w10?
oh well.

>>57777932
Maybe but at $21.90 I wouldn't bother to look.

>>57777932
that is wrong

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>>57777492
>90% of steam users have igpu's, pcmr can't even run 1080
I can play NetHack on 1200p just fine with an iGPU.

I just bought an Asus Strix 1060 to go with my i5-3450.

Is there a processor I should look to upgrade to in the future for more CPU intensive games? I'm staying on FHD for now, but still pondering 1440p.

>>57776998

this is a joke right?

Tried doing something
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/ydrmm8
This originally started as a 1k build but went overboard
I don't want to go micro and built this with futureproofing in mind
What can I do to lower the price?
Drop meme cooler?

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can I keep those wirings that come with the cables on to make it look better, right? It would be stupid to let them loose...r-r-r-right guys

>>57778658
Forgot I'm Italian
Some Virtual machinering and gaymes will lead the chores but not limited to that
I wanted to go new, I'm tired of old hw.

Is eBay the best place to find used high-end GPUs?

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Alright, this took me about three solid days to compare and review. I've trimmed all the fat so to speak and I'm pretty happy with it. Any advice and potential considerations are appreciated.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/Nic.V/saved/F4qmGX

Pic related is my cooling setup, advice/criticism on that would be great too.

>>57778883
Replace that 200mm fan with two 140mm ASAP. For one, it doesn't push air fast enough through the hard drive cage area and two it leaves a huge area of dead, unmoving air behind its massive fan hub.
I'd leave the PSU shroud and not bother with the bottom air duct, since you'll get more dust than air and turbulence will cause the air from the front to get disrupted by the bottom fan.

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About to pull the trigger on this, any last minute suggestions? Not really sure if the 6700k or 6800k is better($260 for the 6700k, $330 for the 6800k)

>P.S.
I already own the 970

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So I just noticed my tower has two fans. Do I really need to plugin the second fan in the front? The only thing I see have there is one hard drive and literally empty space in the front half. Not only that the damn cord doesn't even reach the motherboard and there isn't another cha fan plugin. So I need to buy some adapter

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What do you think of this?

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>>57778996

That sounds good, I can get rid of the bottom 140 and replace the top 140 with the 200, ending up with something like this. Better?

>>57779303
The two 140mms on the front should be static pressure fans, or at least the top 140mm one. Having a second 120mm static pressure fan in the middle won't do much because it's pushing air towards an area where the GPU will occupy. You're best bet is to use a 120mm airflow fan and hope that your GPU isn't long enough to cause problems with it.

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>>57779356

Alright I'll do some more messing around.

Aside from the fans, did you have anything to say about my general build?

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>>57778658

>>57779398
>https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/Nic.V/saved/F4qmGX
Plenty
>do you really need an ATX board?
>do you really need 8 threads?
>do you really need faster RAM?
>do you really need an internal 1TB hard drive?
>do you really need an ATX case?
>do you really need a fully modular 80+ Gold PSU that's almost twice the power that you'll actually use?
>do you really need to buy Phanteks fans?
I'm not being sarcastic or snarky, because you can easily fit a 1080 in your budget.

>>57778996
>not bother with the bottom air duct
Are you telling me it's best to block the fan at the bottom of the PSU?

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this is such a ballache to cable tidy

>>57779599
No, the optional fan mount that's under the PSU shroud. It's pointless for almost all instances in that case due to where it is in relation to the front fans (too far away).

>>57777790
Idiot. Download 8.1, activate it, then upgrade to Windows 10 for free. Now you have a legitimate windows install.

>>57779479

>do you really need an ATX board?
Rather have a versatile board I can do more with later down the line.
>do you really need 8 threads?
I bounced between the 6600k and the 6700k, I favor Strategy and heavy content games like A3, which tend to get a bit more out of the chip, but I'm also going to be doing image/video processing. Still a difficult choice though.
>do you really need faster RAM?
It's a good point, same as above though. The gains from clockspeed are negligible IIRC, and as for double up to 16 instead of 8, call it future proofing.
>do you really need an internal 1TB hard drive?
Lots of storage that I don't want to junk up my SSD with (including heavy image/video files), I was actually on the fence about getting a 2TB instead
>do you really need an ATX case?
For this build and what I intend down the line, I'd say so. Also picking it on functionality as well as aesthetics because it'll be lugged on top of my desk.
>do you really need a fully modular 80+ Gold PSU that's almost twice the power that you'll actually use?
I looked into downsizing and aside from the 550, I can't get any lower (with the brand I want) 650 is a safe bet, I don't think I'll be multi-carding anytime soon but even if I upgrade to a more powerful solo card I won't have to worry about power.
>do you really need to buy Phanteks fans?
No, actually didn't really want to rely on them. But since the case comes with three and I'm a cheap bastard, I don't want to replace all of them. Also I was going to get Noctua case fans but it'll fuck up the white and black colour scheme.

As for the 1080, it's way too expensive. I'd rather have a 1070 which will last a few or more years, it'll sting a lot less when I eventually want to get the a 4k/144hz capable card in the next half decade (hopefully sooner)

>>57779775
free trial ended like months ago retard

I already had the case and PSU, but picked up the rest on cyber monday for ~$50 less than listed.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PChKKZ

Did I do good /g/?

Upgrading from Phenom II x4 955 & 7850

>>57779809
>He doesn't know about accessibility upgrades

>>57779809
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

Best DDR3 240pin ram?

>>57776757
If you wanna save a few dollars, like 20-30, buy the Gigabyte h110 mobo, the difference between MSI isn't much aside from some cords/ports. Good budget choice on the CPU, you won't see any insane differences for your gaming purposes. Aside from that, the GPU could be better for price, maybe wait for some deals on a rx 470 or gtx 970 for performance.

>>57778658
I'd say drop the meme cooler, the stock cooler should be enough, seeing as you won't be overclocking the CPU. Look into buying some cheap 10$ USD external computer fans instead, depending if that case comes with 1 or 2 in the front, make sure its 2.

>>57779803
From your first two replies, I think either getting an i7-5820K/6800K and a cheap X99 board or waiting for Zen SR7 and an X370 board will suit your needs better than the i7-6700K. More physical cores will always beat emulated ones.
However, even strategy games rely on faster cores rather than having more cores, so an overclocked i5-6600K will probably be better in that department while saving you over a 100 pounds.

If you're doing a lot of serious video processing, then 16GB will not be enough for high bitrate 1080p or higher resolution files. It will do fine as long as you're limiting your videos to Youtube-quality 1080p H264.

I was suggesting an external 1TB or 2TB drive, since you'll be using it for passive storage anyway. Having a "hot" hard drive these days is hard to justify when swapping them to a large SSD and dumping the finished work into a cold external saves you electricity and drive longevity.
This is one of the reasons why external RAID enclosures are fairly popular with video editors in the industry.

I've done hardware support for content creators in a large media company (if you paid your TV license and watch US shows, you might have seen some of their works) and they use ATX boards only because they fill up every single PCIe slot available. For a consumer like you, I think you could do with an mATX board, since you'll likely only use one GPU and no other PCIe device.

Even with a second GPU (which I advise against), you can still make a 550W PSU work. But that's not the point I was raising, it's the fact that you've gone with an expensive 80+ Gold full-mod unit when you're not really benefiting from it. You're not running your computer 24/7 where you would benefit from electrical cost savings, nor do you get any benefit over a semi-mod for cable management.

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4chan is being a cunt about image size tonight. Joot must be cutting costs. Failed like 5 times on this. First time water cooler build. Loop is filled with distilled water and pump is running. Initial air pushed out when filling. Power source out of case and only connected to the pump plus the shorted main board cable which isnt plugged in.

The noises are nerve wracking. Keep thinking I hear leaks and it might just be air I see nothing.

Im worried about that vertical run to the left and the weight of the drain applying torque over time. Might stick something under it permanently to limit the distance it can go.

Should I just leave this thing for 24 hours now? leak test and air bubbles?

>>57779803
As for the fans, there are other options out there, like Fractal Design's excellent Venturi fans (which would go great as an interior 120mm fan). There are other white fan-black shroud fans that push in a lot of air, but I'll admit that Phanteks are really good at what they do. They source most of their parts from the same makers of Noctua fans, which is why many of their CPU coolers and fans look so similar.

>>57779174
looks really nice, dat cord management is sleek

>>57780037

Also what damage can a leak do with power only in the pump and source with the source a foot or two away on a cardboard box. I need to go to bed.

>>57778310
No

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>>57780010
Thank you, been up working on it it's 5 am already
If I drop it at all pcpartpicker tells me there's compatibility issues.
I was looking for cases but can't find any better, Corsair says it's only one front and behind
Well meme was there because i7k was intended to be overclocked as futureproofing measures but I think just an i5 will do for at least a couple years, right?
Should I drop to 8gb ram too?

>>57780014

The memes have affected me, I'll take everything you said into consideration though. Might start from scratch with an X99 and go from there.

>>57780037
>>57780060

Also radiator fans dont need to be on right? Will the water get hot just from the pump?

>>57777913
please respond

>>57780120
>FX 8350
But why tho

>>57777913
You'll be fine but you can return to sender if anything happens

>>57780159
Came bundled with the gpu.

>>57776757
Try to save up for an RX470 and a 240GB SSD

>>57777204
>>57777442
Post pics, are you trying to power the CPU?

>>57777061
>>57777093
Hate to tell you this but that mobo, RAM, and basically CPU is money down the drain. Should have bought a used combo if you really wanted it

>>57777452
I would really like to have some other sample builds in the OP (current retard OP only included LI instead of the pcbg pcpartpicker too)

Feel free to contribute builds (NAS, rendering, etc), and I'll add them to this
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/

>>57777555
You're in for a wild ride. Always get an aftermarket cooler/binned chip

>>57777790
microsoft Toolkit

>>57778169
You don't need a better CPU to move to higher resolutions. CPU requirement is the same. Generally speaking a better CPU produces higher framerates, which is why you can easily run 4K with discrete graphics on an i3.

Wait until Zen then ask again about a new CPU. Yours is fine for now.

>>57778658
Drop cooler until you buy an unlocked i7

>>57778848
Hardware forums, but you have to have posting rep

>>57778883
3000MHz RAM
A better monitor, preferably >100FPS Gsync

>>57779063
If you have money to burn it's fine, but the prices on CPUs are going to drop soon.

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>>57780203
Original build started with i7k
But my budget is around 1100 at best (I think it can fluctuate a bit)
Went back to 8gb ram, i5 and probably case too trying to fit in my budget although I don't want to sacrifice much.
Pic related

>>57780091
Same here, spent all of last night reading so much about graphics cards. We have similar builds if you decide to go with the i5 6500. My personal preference to save some money was to go with the Gigabyte h110 motherboard (micro atx, less pci-e slots), instead of the z170, as I wouldn't be overclocking. You can look into it if you want to save some money on the mobo, and then the case as well, as it would be micro atx instead of ATX (but make sure your GPU can fit by checking dimensions).

I still can't decide if I should cheap out on the PSU, stuck on 500W or 600W.

IMO the i5 will definitely last 3-4 years for me, I went with it so I wouldn't have to upgrade within 2 years. Look into some cheaper ram, it can save you like 50$ and its all the same really. I bought geil evo potenza 2x8gb from newegg.ca last night for 100$.

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Can I play games with this CPU?

>>57780241
Of your on a budget I would suggest not looking for aesthetics on that gpu

>>57780270
yes, mame games.

>>57780203
>A better monitor, preferably >100FPS Gsync
Meant >100Hz

>>57780241
If you only have a 1080p monitor, a 1060 is good enough. 1070 is generally for 1440p

>>57780270
Yes, but the graphics cards is the kicker. Are you planning to add a 1050Ti?

>>57780245
This is me >>57780241
My probelm is a lot more on the mental side, I've been running with a piece of junk for years now so now that I can finally spare some dosh I wanted something that would be nice, futureproof and all
Ended up going a bit too high, I don't want to go Micro, but yeah it's an important option, savings wise

>>57780288
I guess I'll have to settle for that, I did want to have some good looking rig, but it's also a fact that my battlestation is small.

>>57780317
>Are you planning to add a 1050Ti?

No, maybe spend $75 on a used gtx 950

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This is everything in my current build.
I'm going to add a Gigabyte G1 1080, Pixio 27in 144hz 1440p IPS monitor and a 950 Pro.
Hopefully I should be good for a few years after that.

>>57780014
Not same guy, but that HDD advice is damn good. I could have saved some money if I thought about that earlier.

>>57780337
You'll have to get a model that doesn't use a PCIe power connector, like this
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_950/

GTX1050 is a far better option

>>57780361
Get a 1080Ti or 1070

>>57780379
Eh, 3.5" externals suck, IMO. Have to plug them in to the wall every time you want to use them. 2.5" is where it's at. HDDs use a tiny amount of power and can be set to go to sleep if they're not being used

>>57780108
>>57780060
>>57780037

No one water cools?

>>57780466
You got meme'd, son.

>>57780478

Meh I knew it was just for fun going in.

>>57780460
The 1080ti is going to cost a little less than a Titan. Whats wrong with a 1080?

Let's say I'm getting an i5 - 6500 with an msi rx 470, with an micro atx mobo and case. Prob gonna go with EVGA 500W Bronze psu. Would I need to buy external fans for this setup? Which case would be ideal so I wouldn't have to buy fans? Can anyone suggest a micro atx case? Pretty lost on this

>>57776658
So I'm going to be saving up for an excessively overkill and overpriced pc and I've never built a pc let alone played on anything but a laptop.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wx44Yr
Is the list I'm aiming for right now, any improvements within the same price range, I take it I'll need a lot more fans or a better one? I really want a godlike computer that will last a long time capable of playing any games pretty much maxed.

>>57780517
If you're running a regular i5, then it's better to invest in a $15-20 air cooler than a $20 Noctuameme fan for better acoustics.

>>57780550

You are wasting money for nothing.

Games are mostly gpu now anyways.

Go look up linus's build video he just did for holiday shopping.

Spend 1k or 2k on the build he recommends.

Someone who buy a medium build every 3 years will have a better machine then someone who goes all out every 5 years.

Plus much of what you listed gives you nothing you will use.

>>57780560
Like any generic cheap air cooler? Would I attach that to the outside back or outside top? Thanks anon

>>57780576
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wx44Yr
>>57780550

I take it back I went to look a second price as I only checked price the first time.

You are straight trolling and even knowing that seeing that ten core pisses me off.

No one needs that chip its useless.

>>57780580
No, I meant a CPU cooler like a Raijintek Zelos or Cryorig M9i. Get the CPU cooler with the largest fan for best effect.

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>tfw build 6600k + rx 480
>But the only game I really want to play is Overwatch
>Could've gone with 6500 + 470 or even 1050ti
Let my squandering be a lesson to you all. Also I occasionally play witcher 3, doom, and fallout but still.

>>57780594
I'm just basing it off the various youtube videos I've seen of people maxing out shit in 4k with heavily modded games and the dude I've been watching uses that 10k shit with dual titans so I figure that it'd work well. What's a better gaming cpu then?
though I'll check the video you told me. >>57780576

Also I'm not trolling I just want to have an excessive computer capable of maxing anything possible and from what I get titan pascal = godtier for now along with the cpu which I honestly know nothing about but figure it'd be decent guess not.

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My case is capable of holding a radiator but since I'm cheap should I go with fans instead or no fans at all? Only 2 fans currently on case

Noctua fans even worth it at all?

>>57780629
Oh ok, so I should ditch the stock cooler it comes with. Would that make a significant difference?

>>57780693
If you didn't have a GPU, then not really since Skylake doesn't tend to get as hot. But since you're using an RX 470 (with what I assume is an aftermarket cooler), the interior of your case will get hot and start affecting the thermals of your CPU. A stock Intel cooler will start getting loud once it the CPU reaches 55 degrees or so. Having a better cooler (or a slightly better cooler in this case) will let you ramp the fans down while getting the same temperatures for less noise.

>>57780747
Ahhh ok thank you that makes alot of sense. Last noob question I swear, would I still need to buy external fans or would stock case fans suffice?

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Has anyone ever bought anything from NCIXUS.com? And if so, how long did it take for it to ship? Because I bought a CPU from them last Friday VERY early in the morning, and it's been in processing since at least Monday. I'm trying to figure out if I should just get a full refund from them and get the CPU from Newegg instead because at this rate I'd get it from Newegg faster than if I just waited for NCIX to ship.

>>57780492
1080 has a pretty poor price/perf ratio

>>57780517
Fractal Design. Not like you're running hot components, so you don't need extra fans

>>57780747
>since you're using an RX 470 the interior of your case will get hot
It's not a 300W housefire ayyymd graphics card m8. 150W when OC'd

>>57780872
>external fans
Wtf are those m8? I assume you mean aftermarket fans

>>57776658
I got a working Z97 board with 16GB of ram from a friend who didn't need it anymore

would it be worth building a system from this platform or should i go for a newer z170/ddr 4 system?

my current system is not worth talking about (q6700)

>>57780872
If your case doesn't already have one, I would fit the highest air flow-rated fan to the front of your case. Go no larger than 140mm (they usually share the same fan hub size as their 120mm versions) and look for the highest CFM fan at the lowest MAX RPM (do not buy a 2000+RPM Delta fan, so example). All fan makers rate their CFMs on their maximum fan speed, so assume a 40-50% loss in CFM at 25% of the rated RPM. The more air you have blowing into the case from the front, the better.

>>57780897
Depending on how bad his case is in terms of heat trapping, that 150W of heat can still build up and affect his CPU temps. I've seen this happen with a GTX 750 Ti of all things in a Rosewill mATX case.

Will a 480 be able to output 60fps 4k video? what about emulating ps2 and upscaling to 4k 60fps?

>>57780928
Sure, just put an i3 or i5 in it for now

>>57780932
>Will a 480 be able to output 60fps 4k video?
Yes

>what about emulating ps2 and upscaling to 4k 60fps?
Not sure, from what I know AMD graphics aren't good for emulation. Pretty hard to 60FPS anyway (depends on game) unless you have an OC'd i5

>>57780928
Buy an i3-4170 or better and upgrade to an i7-4790K once you have the means (or more used chips show up in the market at sub-$200 prices). That i3 will work on C232/236 motherboards, which make for excellent home servers.

>>57780974
so should i go for a 1070 then?

>>57780014
>>57780379

This internal/external HDD topic has me puzzled.

Isn't that the point of having internals? It's faster because direct power and SATA.

Externals on the other hand are stuck with 3.0/3.1 at best and they still need to be plugged in to a wall socket.

External HDDs are fine for backups and other low priority mass storage. Even if you run most of your system off an SSD, Secondary internals are infinitely better.

>>57781163
>It's faster because direct power and SATA
eSATA exists. There are some decent USB3.0 enclosures that won't lose too much bandwidth due to USB's overhead, but Thunderbolt 3 enclosures are better due to their higher bandwidth/lower overhead (provided you have a Thunderbolt 3 PCIe AIC). Most people don't use HDDs as much anymore if they already have an SSD in their system. The most used application and files are normally stored in the SSD anyway, which makes HDD access more infrequent. But keeping it inside your build adds wear to the drive since it's still spinning as long as the PC is on.
I've gone to a four-bay RAID enclosure for video editing purposes and haven't looked back since. The only time I use those drives is if I'm recording onto the disks or editing from them, and even then it's fast enough for encoding and editing work (with some help from my M.2 SSD acting as a scratch/preview disk).

Enthoo Pro or Define R5?

Z170-Pro, Noctua D15 cooler and Zotac 1080 Extreme. Will be using air cooling..

>>57781232
They're both about equally decent. The R5 does have an annoying hard drive cage rattle because of their metal trays, but the Enthoo Pro is louder thanks to the exposed front fan.

>>57781284

I guess go with the better looking one then?

>>57780897
> external fans
kek I guess I meant case fans
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into it.
>>57780930
I'll check into the case options for my budget and see which to buy. I think one of the corsair has two fans, so I might buy that. That explanation of the CFM really helped, as I was wondering this for so long, so thanks!

>>57781326
Probably. I don't like how the Enthoo Pro looks, but the R5 is just plain boring with a cheap plastic front panel.

Hey guys, Do you think one of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/182322114076?
with a GTX 750 Ti 4G
And added an Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q9550
would make a decent poorfag gaming PC?

Okay quick help. I'm trying to take out my stock cooler. I unlocked all four pins fine but I can't pull the last, it's almost as if it's still locked. What can I do?

>>57781375
Fuck no, unless you mean playing old games exclusively.

>>57781390
Push pin stock cooler? Can you get a look at the backside of the mobo by taking off the other side panel? You may be able to help push the pins through from the back. Honestly never had a problem popping off a stock cooler though, so I'm not sure.

>>57781407
Well shit, I feel like I should no longer trust youtube builds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvih2sEeMgw
Should I only listen to /g/ from now on? Lately I feel like I should spend more time in this board considering what I'm studing.

>>57781087
Probably 1060, depends on what you're using it for at 4K.

>>57781390
>I unlocked all four pins fine but I can't pull the last
They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-

>>57776979
It'll be more than 2k, maybe 3k now that I look.
>>57777208
Why? New games don't rely on cpu as much as old ones like WoT or something like that. Wouldn't gpu be better?
>>57779905
I'll be looking for gtx970/rx470 then, but how is AMD these days? I remember a few years later radeons had shitty drivers and caused only problems. Did this change?
>>57780203
Same as above and if I'll feel like 120 ssd is not enough, I'll get bigger one later, and shove this one into my laptop.

>>57781375
It would be basically rocket league tier. Many new games won't run on a dual core at all. I don't know why he claims GTA5 will run on a dual core; it won't be playable.

Going to build a Christmas gift for a friend's son (he's 12 or 13, I think). I don't want to spend too much on it, but I do want to get him interested in computers and programming.
Should I buy and rice out a cheap FM2+ build or a Pentium G4400 with an H110 motherboard?

>>57781532
>a dual core
What I meant is a 2c / 2t CPU

Need to decide between which variant of the 1070 I'm going to get. Thinking about EVGA SC or maybe even FTW, because for some reason the FTW card is less expensive than the SC one on Amazon right now.

Also found an MSI card for $50 off on Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137046&cm_re=MSI_GTX_1070_Quicksilver_OC-_-14-137-046-_-Product

I have no idea what the differences between them all really are but I know that I need to make a decision quick because I've been torturing myself on this for the past couple days.

>>57781537
The later; it can be upgraded

>>57781505
AMD has decent graphics cards / drivers these days. 4GB 470 is the price/perf king right now for 1080p

Used either a 970 (solid mid range perf) or 380x (low mid range perf) are good cards

>>57781537
Tbh I feel like he already asked for a console or owns one

>>57781455
I just don't buy it. I owned a Core 2 Duo (admittedly not Quad) from 06-11 and it chugged like crazy on "new" games in 2010/2011, and that was before games even made great use of cores 3/4. Can't see how a 2.83 GHz C2Q is not going to get assraped in modern vidya.

>>57781591
No, he's a CS:GO addict

So I just got a gigabyte g1 1080, and it's fans are loud, I've searched and people said it's fixed in a bios update. I check for update on the extreme engine utility, but it says there is no update. It's on f1 bios, and on the website it says f2 is the current. How am I suppose to update the bios if the tool says no update found?

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What do you think friends.

Pc for my loungeroom I guess. We all about that 4k output

>>57781680
*(oh and forgot to say, im not sure what cpu cooler to get, maybe a you can help me? Silence is key with this build, thats why i have no hdd or optical drive

>>57781680
If it's just video the iGPU will be enough. If you want to play couch/controller AAA games then yeah, 1070 is a bare minimum

Will this build be able to handle BF1 at 40+fps?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DrfWBP

Doing my first build tomorrow. I've watched a bunch of videos and feel like I'm ready to go.

I'm wondering what would be the best way to get the OS installed though. My build does not have a DVD drive so I was thinking of putting the OS on a flash drive. Two questions: when downloading the OS is there a way to specify not to install it on the host computer? Also a buddy of mine says it may be easier to plug my new, empty SSD I'll be using as my boot drive into a computer and install the OS directly to that. I don't know how that would work as the SSD wouldn't have any power or be plugged into my mobo.

Any suggestions?

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>>57781697
I cannot reitterate this enough: only buy the AM3+ platform used. An i3 6100 will be far better.

You can turn down settings to get 40+ FPS with that gfx card

>>57781695
yeah its for videogames too.

im
>>57780932
this pleb, ideally i wanna replace my wii, ps2, etc and just set up wireless remotes or something. That and be able to watch media from it.

>>57781680
>K processor
>H mainboard

dude... You know you're fucking up bad right? Get a 6500

>>57781722
Holy fuck you're clueless. Honestly not sure if you're joking

You need to make a USB boot drive. Install the OS on the new computer

>>57781753
I've literally never been without a DVD drive until now.

USB boot drive, thanks.

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Just bought 2 fans in hope of saving my dying HD 7970

>>57781738
Just get the 1060 if you're not playing recent AAA games. Like the other anon alluded, you can't OC on H170. You need a Z170.

Also that CPU doesn't come with a cooler. I'd suggest liquid cooling. Also OC isn't as easy as changing some settings in Windo$e

>>57781505
>>57779905
been reading that because the rx 470 was released more recently than the gtx 970, (5 mo. vs 1.5 years) there will be more driver support for it. I fell out of pc building in the last 3-4 years so I wouldnt know about any problems with AMD. All things considered though, I bought msi rx 470 yesterday for the same reasons that >>57781588 mentioned. MSI fans keep it cool, it can be overclocked to near rx 480 performance levels, and the difference in 1080p fps is minimal (~5fps). I decided not to go nvidia solely for budget reasons.

>>57781770
Lay it to rest

>>57781746
its for emulation of ps2 @ 4k too, the h board is because its got the intergrated wifi, is h generally bad?

>>57781776
i didnt really plan to oc but i hear you. Also was asking about the cpu cooler, i wasnt sure which one was quiet and efficiant

>>57781799
Different anon. Its not that the "h" board are bad, you just can't OC with them. If you don't plan on OC'ing then you're best saving money getting the non-OC version of the i5.

>>57781764
Assuming you didnt know this already, Use rufus to make the usb bootable.

>>57781730
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QjZzhq
Would this be better?

i got this shitty meme z motherboard for like 60 bucks

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157636

how shit is it, and will it affect my i7 overclock or audio?

i've been pretty nervous and thinking of getting a refund and grabbing a more expensive mobo

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>>57781813
>>57781776
updated with better mobo and cooler

>>57781730

anyone know what the colors of the bar mean? Temperature perhaps? The shades are throwing me off.

>>57781830
Drop cooler (use stock)
Get DDR4

>>57781886
Get 3000MHz RAM

>>57781890
Red vs Green is AMD vs Nvidia
Gray is minimum framerate (like 1% lows)
Color is average

>>57781827
Thanks

My university has a software distribution program with which I was getting my OS from. With regard to Win 10, is Education or Multiple Editions better?

>>57781730
DELET

>>57781890
>The shades
And the shades differentiate between card generations
Lightest = Oldest (two gens ago)
Darkest = Current gen

>>57781898
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JQdrRG
Is it any better now?

>>57781919
does it actually make a difference now days?
back in the ddr3 days it made no difference between 1600 and 2400

>>57782010
You don't actually need a cooler at all. The i3 6100 comes with one. The money would be better spent elsewhere if you have it.

If you can afford it get the RX470 ($170) and a 240GB SSD ($60)

>>57781919

>>57781997
ahh ok thanks

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>>57782024
3000 vs 2133 is basically the same cost, so why not?

>>57782051
Native vs OC speed for most motherboards desu. Not that OCing RAM is terribly difficult, some people just don't want the additional step.

>>57782066
It's one BIOS setting....................

>>57782077
I realize many of us don't care about it but we have some people here who are terrified of the word BIOS entirely. Overclocking is a scary word for them.

>>57782051
not same guy, if a mobo can support ddr4 2133, will ddr4 2400 work with it?

>>57782101
Check the mobo's specs. For instance my Z170-A supports it but only as an overclocked speed.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1K646B0084&cm_re=asus_z170-a-_-13-132-566-_-Product

>>57782101
Yes, it's automatically downclocked. Sometimes you have to update the mobo firmware for compatibility

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>>57780073

congrats on your free trash, fans you can't connect to a motherboard and DDR1 RAM from 2003

>>57782122
>>57782148
thanks guys

>>57782101
Yes, but it would run the ram at 2133 instead of 2400.

My max power draw for build is 271W. I can save 10$ by buying the EVGA 500w White, instead of the EVGA 500w Bronze. Any major differences the 10$ would make? Anyone have a similar tier PSU they can suggest?

>>57780638
Speaking of which, I'm having absolutely ABYSMAL frame-times in Witcher 3 with my 480. It says 85-90 fps, but the motion looks so choppy and stuttery that I can barely play the game. V-sync only helps a little bit. Wat do?

>>57782037
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vs84Yr
It's a little over my comfort price but I think it's ok.

>>57776658

I'm building a new completely new RIG but instead of going for a typical mid-full size tower, I want small(er).

Just has to fit the 'best' Nvidia GPU for the money, the best Intel CPU for the money (with cooler) two SSDs and the rest of the required parts.

I'd like it to run as cool as possible but it doesn't have to be liquid cooled. Silent but deadly is what is ideal but fan noise as long as it's not at jet engine levels, I'm fine with it.

Anyone have any experience with anything similar or along those lines?

I guess my biggest concern would be finding a good case, right?

>>57776998
should have "scavenged" the whole computer, dipshit

>>57782254
I had absolutely horrible stuttering in Quantum Break with my 470. Only solution was to turn off Vsync and raise the settings to Ultra to keep the frame below 60 (most of the time).

Vsync is only prevent tearing (which occurs when higher FPS than monitor refresh rate)

What is your CPU?

When will CPU prices drop?

>>57782299
see >>57780638 6600k @ 4.1ghz.

>>57782309
After Xmas probably, they just went back up today.

>>57782274
Not bad (actually a great gaming PC), you'll probably want a HDD though.

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Would you say this build from logical increments is good enough? How long should it last me? Estimated at $1200, I would like to spend less but it's doable for me. Are there any parts I can swap out that will be better or cheaper? I'm not too knowledgeable in pc building and this will be my first, I just need something that I can edit video with.

Fuck, i can't decide on a case

Looking for something under 100 bucks as long as it isn't loud/hot as fuck

Is the MasterBox 5 a good choice?

>>57782373
I like mine desu

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352048&cm_re=fractal_design_r5-_-11-352-048-_-Product

>>57782351
But >>57782037 told me to get an SSD. What is better? I know SSDs are faster but less memory, HDDs have far more memory for the buck but are slower, so what, both?

>>57782403
Different anon. Both have their pros and cons.

HDDs are cheap and hold a lot of data. SSDs are expensive and hold less data. HDDs are slower than SDDs by a considerable amount. However speed is not a requirement. Therefore I feel that a SSD is a luxury and can be replaced in favor of a HDD if you're on a tight budget.

>>57782274
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JQdrRG
You can get cheaper ram. Though I admit ram prices are getting disgusting lately. I payed $40 for my g-skill 8gb kit not too long ago.
>>57782403 : You can get both for sure. Install your OS on the ssd to use as a boot drive, set up your HDD as a data drive (D:) then just drag stuff on to it. Some times for downloads, especially steam or battle.net, you cans set it as the default file install location.

>>57782364
Logicalincrements told you to get a 6700k and a 1050ti? No fucking way. Unless you're ONLY video editing, then I guess it makes sense.

>>57782403
You can have os and important apps on ssd and rest on hdd.
It is possible to have more than 1 drive, you know?

250d yes or no

>>57782364
>6700k for 4K editing
No, the more cores you have, the better.
Editing 4K videos in a high-bitrate lossless codec is fucking painful on a quad-core, even with the eight threads.

>>57782457
>>57782466
>>57782472
Well damn thanks guys. Guess I'll hang on more often on /g/. Seems like a good place to start learning about this stuff (God knows I'll have to learn it eventually, might aswell start early)

>>57782466
What do you mean when you said that logical increments recommended that? Since I'm not really knowledgeable can you explain why that's bad?

>>57782516
Would a 6800k suffice?

still using a 3930k since release date.
this thing has had weird ass problems ever since then but nothing that made me unable to use the computer or anything. still im gonna upgrade with intels next iteration of processor

>>57782364
>>57782466
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nGbC4C Here's my take on a system with the same specs that costs $1056. It also just happens to look sexy. If you don't care for looks get a slightly cheaper case with no window.
>>57782516
True, but moving into even entry level x99 will raise the cost by a pretty damn good chunk.

>>57782589
What we mean is its very strange to couple a high end CPU with a low end GPU. It doesn't make a lot of sense.

>>57782389
I might grab this one, it seems nice
>6 pounds heavier
I'm not sure if this is going to be an issue but I sure hope not

>>57782609
It's not that strange if all you're using it for is to drive extra displays.

>>57782604
actually hold up, keeping my list the same but getting a 6800k and one of the cheaper x99 motherboards only brings the cost up by $100. It may very well be worth it if you plan on making your living through video editing. If you're only doing it for a part-time youtube channel or something just get the 6700k though.

Can anyone suggest a decent PSU for a max power draw of 270W ?

>>57782403
You're supposed to get the SSD in addition to the HDD. SSD is for OS and games, HDD is for data storage

>>57782753
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MfvZxr/evga-450w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-100-b1-0450-k1

>>57782753
EVGA 500W bronze

>>57782765
>>57782767
>bronze
>not paying the extra 20 bucks to get that sexy and quiet gold corsair shit
once i got a taste of the divine i could never go back

>>57782840
does "bronze" actually mean anything compared to gold etc? I want pure silence with no coil whine

>>57779803
>I don't think I'll be multi carding
>I need ATX

>>57782977
Higher PSU efficiency = less heat = generally less fan noise

You can get fanless platinum PSU's that are expensive but have zero fan noise

some gold PSUs shut their fans off at low power usage, and then ramp the fans up when needed

>>57783017
>don't think
>definitive statement
he might one day anon

>>57780460
But 2.5" HDDs suck

>>57783020
they all say 80+ though?

Also on that note my old computer does something like that. I dont think the fans on right now and its pretty quiet (rare though). It has a switch on it too which ive never clicked (hybrid + something else)

>>57783027
Well the more and more he waits, the worse and worse SLI will be
It's already nearly dead, and if he's buying a more expensive mobo for SLI, why can't he buy a more expensive psu for SLI?

>>57783055
because he's retarded

>>57783041
80+ bronze is more than 81% efficient at worst
80+ gold is like 87% or better
80+ platinum is like 91% or better
And all of them have a negligible difference on power usage and heat

>>57783080
>And all of them have a negligible difference on power usage and heat
so then why are only the high end ones fanless?

is a 550w PSU good enough for one 1080 GTX and an i7-6700k, probably with overclocking, or should I go for the 650w?

Decided to go with this build >>57781537
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NZGnyf
>price
Yes, I know I'm spending a lot more than this is worth, but I want him to get interested in computers, which takes a bit of visual finesse.

>>57783092
Because they have better heatsinks and ventilation, bronze PSUs can effectively have hybrid on/off fans too

>>57783115
Like efficiency helps a lot, but fanless PSUs are designed to not have fans, PSUs generally aren't super hot anyways

H110 or H170 motherboard for i5 6500 and rx 470 ? Would my GPU suffer at all in the h110?

>>57782274
That's close to what I'm planning on ordering in about a week.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/jdgQcc

I'm happy to read any criticism from anyone who knows their shit but not from anyone who only pretends to know what they're talking about. It will be my first build so I'm trying to get some feedback before I spend.

>>57783108
Dude... Don't. Take a look a this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2vvqPs
Looks nice, all parts are easy to install and will serve the purpose well, some are even reusable amd it's cheaper.
The big R5, Asus mobo and Noctua cooler should be doable for a 12y old kid under your supervision, let him build the PC with your help.
I remember when my uncle did this with me, it was great and gor me interested.

>>57783218
B150. It's the sweet spot for budget builds.

>>57783080
>>57783092
because a fan would interrupt the signal and introduce even more inefficiencies
ever hear of jitter

>>57783432
no i havent

>>57783275
Get cheaper RAM, mobo, case and invest that money into a SSD.

>>57783551
I was thinking about getting an SSD. I was afraid to go too cheap on a motherboard since I don't really know what to look out for. I have literally no experience building. I'll take your advice on the case for sure.

>>57783741
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/CgmFbj
This is as cheap as it gets if you want to keep the 1060 6G.

Want to upgrade from my 660ti soon. Will a 1060 create a bottleneck for my Z77 ivy bridge i5?

>>57783108
An AIO cooler and mid tower case are over kill.

>>57783941
Thanks for the tips. I saved the list.

Anyone have a really small desktop pc?

I was looking at Intel NUCs, but I was wondering if I could do it for cheaper.

>>57784239
Define "really small desktop pc".

>>57784239
I think Linus did a video on this

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4581#ov

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>>57776658
if someone could take a look at this and tell me if im retarded that would be great.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/w9Zzhq
I'm trying to "upgrade" from my current rig, an 8350 OC atx build, I want something smaller and quieter, and really I dont need much more power in the video or cpu department. I'm carrying a lot of my parts over, the one big change being going over to a AIO on the cpu. I've never done this before and I'm worried about having the heat from the gpu and cpu dump into the case (I would be running both rads as intake)
is there a better case for this? I'm trying to keep it cheap and compact. Also, will the heat being dumped into the case be an issue, or is that easy to manage with good exhaust?

>>57784414
>those parts
>over 1200W
Autism - the build.
You should be purchasing an Apple product right now.

>>57784463
like i said, pulling parts I already have
before the build i have now i had a dual xeon dual gpu set up, and investing in a 1250w psu when it was on sale is the least of my worries
im not selling a perfectly good psu with a perfectly good warranty to meet some strange standards on this Mongolian basket weaving image board

HELP!

Options for GPU:

RX 480 4GB, all new with 3 years of warranty

RX 480 8GB, refurbed demo-version with 9 months warranty

Additional relevant info or things to consider:

*no plans for 1440p, VR

*probably going to sell the card and buy a new GPU after a year or so

*resell-value of both cards in a year, the 8GB will be without warranty


http://www.strawpoll.me/11773189

>>57784524
Sapphire RX480 Nitro 4g it is.

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>>57784680

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>>57776658
How do you guys decide if it's time to do a major upgrade?
I'm really starting to feel like it's time for me and besides, I got this thing when I was retarded and had no idea what I was doing.

I'm trying to play Black Ops 3 but it's pretty much unplayable due to stuttering and massively unstable framerate.

I noticed by CPU is hitting 100% a lot of the time while playing it, occasionally dropping. Does this mean it needs an upgrade? I thought an i5-3450 would be enough for a game like this.

>>57780928
>>57780939
Thanks

Anyone can recommend a xeon that would worth with an MSI xpower z97 ? As they seem cheaper than the i7s

>>57785323
e3-1231 v3
i7 with no overclocking and no igpu

>>57784773
Black Ops 3 itself is poorly optimized, what a shitfest it was when it just came out, but they did something to it at least
Was playing it on i5-3470 with GTX 760

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4k6pzM
Is there any reason I shouldn't order this?

>>57786860
Not really. Maybe drop from a 80 to a $60 dollar case and use that delta to get a 240gb ssd? Otherwise youre all good.

anyone have a recommendation on a 1080p 144mhz monitor? I just upgraded to a Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 WINDFORCE OC 6G (GV-N1060WF2OC-6GD from a 7850 without thinking about how I have a 60mhz monitor. My rig is a 2012 build and has an i5 3470 and 8 gigs of 1600mhz ram so the monitor difference should be very noticable.

>>57787593
I should add that The monitor should be around $200 because I'm a poorfag and I already payed $250 shipped for my new card.

>>57786860
If you won't use the ODD slots, get the Define S, it's smaller and cheaper.
Also, personally i'm not a huge fan of the Z170-E, maybe look for a different mobo with better features and more ports.
Your SSD is fine, but imho i'd get the 240GB version, it's more cost effective.
The 8GB RAM are fine for gaming, but if you want to render/edit/work with your PC or want (heavy) multitasking i recommend 16GB.

>>57787632
heh, i actually came here to ask about the R5 vs the S

The S seems great, but I'm still wondering how much noise suppression and build quality is sacrificed

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Any ways I could cut corners without it affecting the build quality too much?

>>57787751
None. The S is just a smaller version of the R5 optimized for water cooling and without an ODD cage. If you care about silent systems just stay away from the windowed versions since they obviously have no foam on the window.
Alternatives to the R5/S are Thermaltake Supressor F31 and Nanoxia DS3/4, the later is likely to only be available in EU, but it's a good and very cheap case compared to the competition.

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Stuck between getting the Zotac 1070 AMP Extreme or the Gigabyte 1070 G1.

Both are within similar margins, with the G1 taking 1 8-pin and the Amp Extreme taking 2 8-pin for power.

I won't be upgrading my card for years to come, won't be going SLI either.

I tend to lean more to the Amp Extreme side because it's not that much more expensive, but it also comes with considerable sag problems.

All of these problems can be solved however, the question is if it is worth doing so over the simplicity of the G1, please give me some advice since I'm paralyzed for choice.

>>57787860
Yes. Get the Define S since you won't be using a DVD drive and swap the SeaSonic for a EVGA 500B.
>Seagate 3 TB consumer drive
This is like asking for lost data...

>>57787860
i5 instead of i7,
Cheaper CPU cooler
Different mobo (Asus Z170-A, P, K, I like A but its the most out of those 3)
Different SSD
2tb HDD
Non-blackout R5 case, Newegg has them 79 right now

Build is fine as is but these will shave off some $$$ for you.

>>57787911
Simply get the standard Zotac AMP!, it doesn't have sagging problems and should be cheaper than both without sacrificing much raw power.

>>57787860
Get an i5-6600K
Get a cheaper air cooler
Get an mATX Z170 motherboard
Get a pair of 8GB DDR4-2133MHz RAM
Get a cheaper SSD
Get a smaller HDD
Get a cheaper mATX case
Get a semi-mod 80+ Bronze (seriously nigga? Bronze full-mod?)

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https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/j2H8bj
This vs pic
What do

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>>57787939

The Zotac Amp! has a lower boost clock and higher temp, as well as still requiring 2x 8 pin. Not to mention it's still $10 more still.

So it's either the Amp! Extreme or G1.

Rate
http://a.co/5UeDLNR
[spoiler]pls bully me[/spoiler]

>>57787921
>>57787927
>>57787968
Much obliged, friends.

>>57788014
Are those numbers, especially temp and noise (what does "probably moderate" means anyways.), legit and what are your souces?
Have you considered Palit, PNY and Gainward? To complete the chart you should also factor the TPD in, the number of pins required does not completely cover that factor, and maybe warranty, too.
Imho you should complete the table and then decide, Xtreme Gaming looks delicious to me if it helps.

>>57787991
>https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/j2H8bj
This, it's less of a gaymur meme than your other option.

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my first rig ever.

>>57788542
Get the 750W instead unless.
Make sure your MOBA can't support faster memory.
Get a terabyte HDD. They are like $50 and you can use a partition as a swap drive to extend your SSD lifespan.

>>57788788
*unless you see yourself getting multiple GPUs in the future.

Should I consider a micro atx instead of atx?
Is there really any difference except smaller case?

>>57788542
Get this moba instead as well
https://www.amazon.com/Optimization-Z170-Pro-Gaming-AURA/dp/B01J8QQD98/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480614685&sr=8-1&keywords=asus+z170+aura

>>57788819
People get ATX instead of Micro-ATX because they are doing some extreme overclocking, they like the way it looks, or they have a lot of expansion cards/GPUs. Cards such as fan controllers or sound cards.
For basic gaming you can get any setup you want in a micro-ATX. It's what I have and I have 5 HDD/SSD, liquid cooling, and a gtx 1080.

>>57788899
I see, I've never touched pc building before, I just want to play games on at least high but only got €1190
Where should I even begin?

Have anyone experience with the 1060 mini from Zotac? considering getting the 6gb version since I'm on a tight-ish budget.

Anyone know whether the Asus ROG Maximus VIII Hero is a good motherboard for gaming? I'm getting mixed reviews, a lot seem positive but newegg shows a bit of negative reviews and it's starting to scare me but I can't find an ideal gaming mobo other than that it seems.

>>57788899
>Cards such as fan controllers
Fan controllers don't usually come in PCIe form. It's better to buy a case-mounted or mountable fan controller.
>or sound cards
This isn't the 2000s, brah. Sound controllers have come a long way since the early days, and besides, you'll need an external DAC for the best possible audio quality due to low noise/interference from the EM heavy case interior.

>>57788952
Get the GTX 470 instead.

>>57789017
High end sound cards still exist for musicians and those who hook up their computer to sound big systems. And while it's true that fan controllers are usually 5.25 based you won't typically see extra bays unless you get the full sized ATX.

>>57788937
What's your budget. I'll help you friendo

>>57789113
I'm retarded I see it's $1250

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>>57789113
1190€
Italian
I don't have parts I can spare
can't really go much higher than that
Thank you friendo

>>57788788
The 850W was on sale and cost the same as the 750. It only uses the power it needs, so it couldn't possibly hurt.

>>57788542
>my first rig
>rig
>gay ass white gaymur build
>no case
>expensive OC mobo with most basic cooler
>850W PSU
>$1300 worth of autism
Fuck off back to >>>/v/ you underage retard.

>>57789079
>High end sound cards still exist for musicians
Are you talking about input or output? I rarely see input devices (microphones, keyboards, etc) used with PCIe capture devices without some sort of USB or external device being used to manually adjust the sound quality/characteristics.

>>57776658
i know that look on Santa's face, we all know where that toy is going

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>>57788542
I just ordered parts for a similar build thanks to BF/CM deals

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>>57789215
>"rig"
>"currently rocking"
>"outperforms"

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>>57789296
>the way you are meant to be played

>>57789166
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZkNxRG
Cheers. You will want to buy a 3rd SSD in the future. Make it 1TB and put your games on it.

>>57789468
Thanks I'll work around it!

I just upgraded from a gtx 960 to an Rx 480. How much should I sell my 960 for? It's 4gb.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Schmidt/saved/FyFgsY

Got good deals here and there. Discount on GPU, MOBO, CPU, SSD, PSU. Went for one stick of RAM because I'm not sure if I need two, will order another if needed

>>57789953
This build is shit.

>>57790346
Literally why?

>>57790346
very constructive.
>>57789953
Your motherboard has four ram slots. Get the two sticks. It's going to look a bit ugly with that motherboard plus gpu combination btw. If you don't care about aesthetics, I recommend a slightly cheaper, windowless case.

>>57790502
I need to see if I need any more RAM first. I'm not gonna burn 80 bucks (what one stick costs here) for muh aesthetics. The MSI 1080 was the only 1080 on sale here and the mobo was the only mobo on sale that had all I needed without 50 useless features. I agree with you that it probably won't look great, but whatever.

>>57790554
You run two sticks of ram in dual-channel mode to get their full rated speed. Not for "muh aesthetics". If you're only gaming you will never use more than 16gb ram. Rarely more than 8gb in fact. Get 2x 4gb sticks now, upgrade to 2x more sticks to have 16gb.
If you are doing more work on the pc, like video editing, 3d rendering, or photo editing for example, then ok, maybe 32gb.

>>57790602
Dual channel is what, 4% increase? I can't see it ever mattering. I was more than fine with ddr3 8gb. We'll see though, 2x8 and 2x4 has a small price difference here, so if needed I'll get another one. :)

>>57790651
It really doesn't matter. Modern ram doesn't bottleneck anymore like it used to.

I've been looking at various guides and videos and made some modifications to my list, am I missing any parts or can I improve anywhere in the build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VycgFd

>>57790449
>>57790502
Bad mobo for OC, no 3000 RAM, why not use 2/4 RAM slots, there are better cases for the money, shitty 750W PSU, also 750W and who the fuck pays $17 for CM fans?

>>57790723
I really hope 5k is your budget, because some of that stuff, like the motherboard, optical disk drive, and case-are just overpriced.

>>57790723
Get the new Samsung m.2 instead.

>>57790723
I'm not sure if you're trolling or not. Nearly everything is wrong, get back to reading the theory. There is too much to fix this.

>>57790723
>can I improve anywhere in the build?
Yes but i don't know where to start because your build is absolute meme gaymur trash.
People like you should get prebuilts. At least you give the economy a hand by wasting your money.

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>>57790723
>$4500 build
for what fucking purpose dude? Are you just looking to play games at 4k? Is a $4500 purchase easy money for you? Shit you can get a decent 4k gaming experience for under $2,000

>>57790759
The mobo is fine for the OC I want, was on sale and has everything I need 3000 RAM is useless and prices are different here. I like the case. PSU was on sale and is good enough. Fans were free. So nothing is really wrong then? Good! Yay!

>>57790773
5k actually is around the budget yes. (able to go slightly over but Ideally staying below or close to 5k) what motherboard would you recommend? I've been torn on that from reviews and any suggestions would be good. And yeah the disk drive isn't really solid yet either probably gonna remove and at most swap for a cheaper one to install old games with.

>>57790792
>>57790798
So what's the best option? from my understanding the cpu and gpu are pretty good no? I don't actually have any idea on pc building though and mainly have been using various guides and youtube videos.
>>57790813
>is a $4500 purchase easy money
It's only a couple months of saving money as I don't pay rent so it's not that bad imo and I just want to get as powerful a computer as possible for gaming after spending years on a shitty laptop unable to play anything on high. Ideally ark or hitman but honestly being able to max any game would be nice.

>>57790835
3000 RAM is NOT useless, how much did you pay for the parts?
>i got it for free
I'll take "things that didn't happen for 2x $17", Alex.

>>57790872
I got the fans from my friend who has way too many pc parts. I included them to show that I do have fans.

Literally no difference between 2400 and 3000 unless you're performing tasks that for some reason needs it. Which games DO NOT.

>>57790844
if you have to save up at all, then spending $4500 for video games probably isn't a great idea.
Also how much storage do you actually need? Most people can get away with a 250gb ssd and a 1tb hard disk. I'm going to whip up a new list just for you.

>>57790844
>So what's the best option?
>I don't actually have any idea on pc building
Your build tells me your dad has money but you don't even know how to waste it properly.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/desktop.php

Posted in another thread, don't want to make a new one.

Looking for a laptop that can run source engine games, on decent settings. I don't know about laptop specs, but I found this one.
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_664_665&item_id=094203
but it says windows 7 downgraded from 10, thing is I don't want windows 10 botnet capabilities to touch the laptop. Should I get it?

>>57790933
It's not for me, but I'm unsure if the intel GPU is good enough, I cannot stress, how important it is for source engine games to run at a smooth consistent framerate

>>57790919
There is difference, the picture that proves it gets posted here regularly. There's also a butt-load of vids on this on youtube that show especially CPU limited games are improved by this.
So, how much did you pay for the parts?

>>57790922
That's probably true my assumption was that if I spent a huge chunk for excessive shit it'd last a good amount of time until needing massive upgrades or anything like that so saving for like 2 months didn't seem bad. As for storage I mean it's mainly just going to be for gaming, my steam list is like 196 games atm but I mainly play about 30 of those? Someone recommended at minimum a 1tb ssd though for gaming in the last thread I posted in.

>>57790925
But I'd be saving money from my job? I do live with parents though which means little to no rent/utilities hence being able to waste so much money without being bothered. I'll check out the link though, thanks anon.

>>57790957
I got the PC at a price you're not familiar with, as said previously prices are not the same here. But I got it very cheap, while it satisfies all my needs. To get a maybe 5% increase in power, I'd have to increase price with around 25%. Not worth it.

>>57790723
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F7TZ9W
Use this instead

>>57791041
Thanks anon, though is sli better? I've heard a lot of games will end up being slightly choppy/jittery or something with 2 cards? and that some just out right don't support sli requiring you to disable one to play.

>>57791103
Back in the day when the tech was new, yeah. Watch for dust buildup and you will be fine. It's been nearly perfected nowadays and you will get more bang for your buck than a single titan.

>>57791041
>>57790982
>>57790723
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wcbRYr
This is the absolute most amount of money I could make myself spend. I recommend a water cooler in this price category but if you're not going there, this cooler is more than sufficient for a decent overclock. I'd probably take it to about 4.3 or so and it will still be cool.
Other anons feel free to pitch in because this is a big-ass budget and there's a lot of room to play with.

>>57791173
Oh neat, thanks anon Do you think it's worth waiting a bit to see whether the 1080ti comes out or whatever the other next step above pascal is that's supposed to come out 2017?

>>57791188
I was gonna ask about water cooling/fans as I've heard the titan overheats easily and I assume a lot of high end cards probably do. Is water cooling something you have to constantly worry about? Like it leaking out or some other sort of maintenance issue?

>>57791188
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3wgrRG
or this list for 1080 SLI. Notice how it's $1k less than your original list and performs exactly the same, or better due to the sli.

>>57791188
So you want a 2k computer build?

>>57791287
To clarify, I'm suggesting lists for the anon with the big budget. I'm just using the peripherals that they picked out.
I do think 144hz G-sync 1440p is going to look better than 4k /60 / no snyc though

>>57791258
I mean, you can always get an RX 470 and just sell it once the new nvidia launches. it will play almost everything on high with 1080p. You will be out 50 dollars or so but money doesn't seem like a big issue based on your 5k build.

>>57791363
If he has the budget he should go 4k. He's going to be rocking sli or a titan. A fucking waste to get a lesser monitor if you ask me.

>>57791472
I'm trying to convince them they don't need to dump all that money into a rig to have a good gaming experience. I mean shit look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYfLViwB6QA
$2200 build that should get about 80-90 fps in most games at 1440p using just 1 video card.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2xtLFd

anything to improve here?

>inb4 why would you waste this much money
because I earn a lot and never spend it on anything

So my power supply has a whole bunch of extra cords. Do they just stay clumped up in a pile at the bottom? That's where it is right now, I'm assuming that's fine.

Also what kind of cord extension do I need for a front fan to reach the motherboard?

>>57792413
>Asus Maximus
>850W
I know you won't OC this to shit or even come close to 850W, then why the fuck waste your money like this?

>>57792597
>Do they just stay clumped up in a pile at the bottom?
Do proper cable management, route them through the back and maybe stuff them where they do not impare the airflow.
>what kind of cord extension do I need
Molex 4 pin.

>>57792413
Get an EVGA motherboard instead for like $150. Use the extra $ to grab a 1tb ssd so you won't be tempted to grab a mechanical later.
Get an extra fan for air intake

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>>57792654
What do you mean back? They don't extend that far. They're just all stuck right here.

Just wondering if I just leave it like that

http://www.powercolor.com/us/products_features.asp?id=616


So this gets power from the motherboard right? Has no pci thing on the side.

>>57792806
Not from the motherboard.

You need the correct number pin power connector from a powersupply.

>>57793018
Uhhh no. Its a 75w card and gets power only through the pcie slot.

>>57793082
thx. Just wondering because I opened it and it had nothing but the ass plugins. Just found a youtube video to confirm as well

>>57793082
>>57793171
Oh, I thought it was the 480 variant, my bad.