I'm on Debian. I hate systemd. Is Devuan ready?

>>57743563
Why do you hate systemd?
Is it the same reason you are too dumb to know how to uninstall systemd on debian?

>>57743615
Why are you asking?
Is it the same reason you are too dumb to know that you can't uninstall systemd on debian without rolling back all of your important packages to fucking wheezy versions? That's why Devuan exists you actual retard.

>>57743691
Nice FUD. It still works fine you fucking retard. You weren't expecting to run a deprecated setup noone wants to support without understanding how to write init scripts yourself at some point though, surely? Running a barely maintained meme distro isn't going to be any better.

>>57743615
probably because /g/ told him to

>>57743774
(You)

Anybody else though? With a coherent message hopefully?

I'm pretty sure devuan got abandoned. If you want to avoid systemd, I find void linux is pretty nice. Imagine arch linux on runit.

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step aside faggots
the future is here

>>57743906
The git still shows activity.

>>57743563
This is still a thing? I remember it being a fairly big deal at first.

>>57744112
It was made by meme masters.

Look at the readme on their FTP server. ":^)"

Yes, it's still a thing. Shitposting happens on #debianfork and actual conversation and support happens in #devuan.

It is very much alive, and maintained.

>>57743823
Not him, but I agree that changing to a shitty unmaintained distro just because of systemd doesn't sound like a good idea.
Systemd isn't even as bad as people say, it is bloated as fuck and unintuitive but it is fast and it werks.

>>57744903
Well my OP question was about whether or not it was shitty and unmaintained, because, yeah, if it's shitty and unmaintained, it's pretty retarded to switch.

I mean, I know it's not a dead project because the gitlab still has a bunch of activity, but I know little about whether or not it's reasonable to try to switch (i.e., if the forks for systemd dependent stuff are absolutely shitty buggy messes).

Ian Murdock killed himself because systemd

>>57745285
same

>>57743615
>Why do you hate systemd?
It doesn't solve any problems, it's harder to understand than previous init systems, and it keeps taking on responsibilities that other programs did fine.

>>57743823
Check the mailing list to see if they're active.
Check the version control system to see if they're active.
Try it out.
It's a fork of Debian. How unstable could it possibly be?

>>57743774
>It still works fine you fucking retard.
So did everything before it.
>You weren't expecting to run a deprecated setup noone wants to support without understanding how to write init scripts yourself at some point though, surely?
Yeah, he probably was expecting to run something that novices used for years without expert knowledge.

>Running a barely maintained meme distro isn't going to be any better.
The only meme is systemd.

Using it and it works just fine

archbang has a non system d version
i like it
couldn't install dropbox though

I think that systemd is a software equivalent within the Linux ecosystem to what Intel is doing on a hardware level with their Management Engine (i.e. creating a "master" system which controls everything else - on a recent Intel system it's the ME which really is in charge of everything, and the UEFI is only its puppet).

Yes. systemd's endgame is probably eventually taking authority over the kernel itself, just like Intel ME has taken full control over the mainboard's actual firmware.

>>57745285
Cruchbang was discontinued because systemd (its creator knew that to continue Crunchbang as a Debian derivative he would have to adopt systemd as well, just as all other Debian forks have).

II don't like systmd because I'm used to openrc

>>57747046
Lie

Just install Gentoo, problem solved.

>>57743615
>uninstall systemd on debian
Then I can't use Gnome dumbfuck

>>57744903
>shitty unmaintained distro
Ever distro is like this at some point
>it is bloated as fuck and unintuitive
Only reasons I need I switch

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>>57744029
>>57746073
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>>57747107
What is the lie? Because it's pretty obvious that Crunchbang would have to adopt systemd or undergo very heavy and fundamental changes otherwise (which its developer apparently wasn't up to either). Its successor projects, Crunchbang++ and BunsenLabs, both went the systemd route.

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install solus

>>57743563
Yes it is. They made fucking GNOME work without systemdicks, they are the champions we need.

>>57743938
I unironically think you are right

>>57747415
They wouldn't have to have done shit, because crunchbang was barely a distinct distro anyway. When he announced he was wrapping it up the developer actually said crunchbang users might as well just use stock debian.

>>57747120
You can't use Gnome on Devuan either, you fuck. Gnome depends on systemd, it's not Debian's fault.

>>57743563
Do you actually have any reason to hate systemd?

>>57748368
http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd
http://blog.lusis.org/blog/2014/09/23/end-of-linux/
http://eff.dragoncon.org/2015/07/06/systemd-the-end-of-linux-as-we-know-it/
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2608798/data-center/systemd--harbinger-of-the-linux-apocalypse.html

>>57748713
>hurr I can't really explain why I don't like systemd so here's a list of links that sort of explain why systemd is bad in general but non of them explain why any of that is actually annoying to me

>>57748768
So you are trying to dismiss all the reasons provided by the links based on what exactly? That there's a bunch of them? Read at least some of the information and it should dawn onto you what is wrong with systemd both conceptually, as well implementation-wise.