/hpg/ - Headphone General

>>57725479
What are your thoughts on the headphones you posted, the 598 Cs?

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Harman Kardon SOHO for 35, is ok just for a gift to a girl??

>>57725619
Girls care a lot about how their headphones look, and those are ugly as sin.

>>57725619
get her beats

>>57725479
Pardon my newfagness, but what's the matter with the memeheiser? Is it one model only or more?

>>57725677
its tinny and veiled

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>>57725704
I see. thank you good sir

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>>57725479
I fucking love these.

>>57725741
its shit and ur waifu a shit

>>57725761
I've been ruded

Elighten me then feg

>>57725602
>>57725677
Honestly I'm just assblasted that mine came defective today so I'm joining the hivemind train

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hello
i'm not very knowledgeable with audio stuff, so i was wondering if i someone could recommend me a desktop dac+amp. my budget is about 150usd and my headphones are sennheiser hd 380 pros (if that matters)
many thanks

>>57725619
Bose Soundtrue.
Either full teal or teal/black.
Worked for me.
Then after a while she'll get curious about those Audio Technica/Sony/Audeze/Sennheisers you are using and the comparison of sound will blow her away.

>>57725980
Micca Origen +
Amazing DAC/Amp combo, best form factor of any cheap smaller combo.

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What's the best cord for a pair of headphones or IEMs?

I have few IEMs with kevlar cord and the thing was great for about 4 months and then it acquired "memory" and now it's fucking impossible to keep it untangled. It always forms weird knots even when I use them with my computer and never fold them. WTF is going on?

Anyway, what' the best material for the cord? Silicone maybe?

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>>57725479
That feel when the bruise in your left ear canal will never fully heal because you aren't about to go 2-3 days without sticking these in your ears.

>>57726474
Just superglue them into your ears.

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>>57725479
Good thing I dodged that c bullet.

Thinking of coppin these for on the go use

https://www.amazon.com/beyerdynamic-Custom-Street-Headphones-Black/dp/B00UK7ZQXO/

Will I fit in with the Technica and Beatfags?

>>57725677
>>57726659

I-I actually like mine. only time will tell if they break but for now they are pretty good $100 headphones

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Version 3 of the tier list

>>57726678
/hpg/'s boogeyman zeos just reviewed these
if you want low end they're a good option

>>57726695
add HM5 u nerd

>>57726697
cool thanks m8, just gotta wait for my 598Cs refund

>>57726695
>no HD 201

>>57725479
oredered those 598 cs for $80 usd, can't be that bad for the price.

>>57726709
>>57726753
At this point im sick of updating the tier list, if anyone wants to pick up where I left off that would be swell

>>57726685
>$100 headphones
huh? where can u get them for $100??

>>57726753
> 201
> Not the superior 202
kys

>>57726793
in the past

>>57726793
Black friday familia, there might be a similar sale on cyber monday, better check in a few hours

>>57726793
They were 100 USD on amazon earlier

>>57726793
In your time machine.

Any recommended IEMs? Preferably under $200.

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How do my trusty a900x compare?

I honestly can't believe they're still alive. The pads are falling apart and I had to tape up the cable after a naughty pupper got to them.

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OKAY YOU FUCKING RETARDS I NEED A CONSENSUS HERE

WAS THE 100 DOLLAR PRICE FOR THE 598 CS A GOOD DEAL AND ARE THE HEADPHONES WORTH IT OR WAS THERE SOMETHING BETTER FOR SMILIAR OR CHEAPER PRICE

I DON'T FUCKING UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON

>>57726855
get Xiaomi Pistons Hybrid for under $20. They beat most over $150.

>>57726889
They're really dark.
HM5's or M40x + HM5 pads are better.

>>57726896
Fuck off. Pistons aren't even that good for /csg/'s standards.

>>57726889
i wont get mine in the mail till tomorrow, but i honestly don't see how they could be that bad. they're just the closed back version of the highly rated 598's.

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>>57726910
okay, suit yourself. waste your own fucking money.

>>57726915
They're only similar to 598's in name. Everything else is different down to padding material.

>>57726889
they sound better than my m40x but arem't built as well.

>>57726938
Better wasted on an actual quality good, rather than fucking Hybrids
Even the earlier pistons are better, not that I'd buy those either.

>>57726950
I agree with you on that second part, the durability feels weak. However, one anon said his m40x sounds better than his 598Cs but he could have just been another memer

>>57726945
apparently they're closer to the HD 569 or 558 which are also good.

>>57726966
you're delusional and don't know shit. suit yourself. you can now stop replying.

>>57726695
>no HD25*

>>57726980
I'm sure I am. I'm not the one suggesting 20 dollar shit IEM's to someone with a $200 budget, you fuckin spud.

Even ED9's are better.
Hybrids are just mud cannons.

>>57726695

i was told the Custom One Pro was shit by one of you

>>57727013
wtf are you doing on here? why are you wasting your time when you know everything?

seems to me that you're just trying to confirm your biases.

>>57726896
>>57726910
I remember getting klipsch s4's and they were really good. Unfortunately looking at amazon reviews it seems they have fallen off.

>>57726695

Aren´t the DT250 fucking expensive and need an amp?

>>57727025
He's probably an AKG pony

>>57727025
People either say they're shit or they're great

I don't get it with the custom one pros

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My ATH-PRO700MK2 are starting to disintegrate and im looking at replacement to take with me to dj gigs. I prefer to have isolation on my headsets.

Im looking at Sony MDR7506, Seinnheiser HD25 and ATH-M50X. if anyones got another recommendation, id like to know the name so i can test them out on my next visit to the music store.

>>57727025
They are if you leave the ports on full or completely closed. Otherwise they're great. Good platforms for modding since theyre pretty easy to take apart. Stock pads are a bit shit, but other than they're similar to DT770's, but have less highs. Mids are kind of more present, but have a larger upper mids dip than 770's.

>>57726695
Crispy

>>57726889
From all the stuff Im hearing, they are worst than the 558
the 558 is still the best in its price

>>57727048
>wtf are you doing on here?
Replying to you
>why are you wasting your time when you know everything?
I don't but it's great you think that highly of me.
>seems to me that you're just trying to confirm your biases.
What biases?

>>57727122
The HD 7 DJ go for like 130-150 bucks now that Sennheiser discontinued them
Supposedly they're made for DJs. Sound signature is bass heavy with treble rolled off to avoid hearing fatigue at high volumes. Also comes with two different cables and two sets of earpads.
They might be nice for DJing, I don't know. Used them for a year as my daily headphones and they were alright.

>>57726889
If you have big ears you might as well get a refund.

They have this weird thing in the drivers that sticks out that will rub the tips of your ears and drive you fucking crazy.

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looking to add headphone/mic any suggestions?

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I came to my senses and did some slight tweaking

>>57727238
DOPE

What's the difference between the DT990 Pro and regular DT990? Do I have any reason to return my 598Cs and get those instead while they're on sale?

>>57727335
*any reason to NOT return

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>>57727238
just noticed the custom one pro label is off, fuck

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>57727335
No difference at all except looks and the pro version comes with a coiled cable instead of straight. Sound is the same.
Return them and the the DTs.

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Who else /sentthatshitback/

>>57727365
I'm not stupid, I bought the hd558

i don't buy headphones without frequency graphs and distort charts

>>57727335
If you like your 598's, no. 990's have very bright highs. Low end is good, but the highs just ruin them for some. 990's will be more detailed though.
From reviews so far, 598's are a lot darker.

990's are completely open too. Depends on if you want that or not.
Either way, return them and get something better. HM5's are a lot nicer of a headphone if you want neutral closed.

>>57727335
>DT990 Pro and regular DT990
Edition version has a bit less clamp than the Pro model. Pro design is a bit less adorned, more plastic. Edition should be available in a wider variety of impedances.

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>Post yfw you didn't buy the 598 Cs

>>57727482
> Falling for the (((Sennheiser))) meme
> Any year
Nah senpai I'm too good for that.

>budget
100-120$

>location
eu but i can get stuff from u.s

>source
desktop computer w/ onboard sound

>Open or closed
i'm not really sure, i'm open to recommendations of both

>Comfort level
i'm gonna attach a mic on it and use it for both music, voip and gaymen stuff so i'd prefer if it is above average

>Sound signature
I don't listen to bass heavy music so i don't want it to be bass heavy

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>>57727511
>tfw falling for /g/ memes and loving them
IPS, mechanical keyboard, perfect sensor mice, $1 mousepads, HD600, etc. have all been great.

I owned a HD598 from last year and they're still okay. Is it worth it to get a replacement or should I still keep them?

>>57727365
Really thinking about it. As posted in the other thread.

They almost sound exactly like their cheapo HD 201 (lowest end ~20€) just a little bit clearer.

While they are advertised as (passive) noise canceling they do shit. And don't get me started on that awful sound leaking which is a joke for closed cans. And yes, there is passive noise cancellation/isolation. Hope your German is good senpai.

http://blog.teufel.de/news/technologien/noise-cancelling-kopfhoerer-was-dahinter-steckt/

e.g. I've been using Philips SHP9500 for quite a while now. They are perhaps the most open headphones I ever had. It's basically like having speakers right next to your ears, the noise pollution is that bad (i.e. it's leaking sound like crazy). And since they're open build, the noise cancelling is nonexistent. The thing is the 598Cs leak just as much as the SHP9500 which is a bloody joke for closed headphones. It was also the only reason why I have considered those. To avoid sound leaking and have at aleast decent noise canceling. THE ONLY REASON WHY A NORMAL HUMAN BEING SHOULD BUY CLOSED HEADPHONES. It's the only advantage they could achieve and god do the 598Cs fail in this regard.

If you want decent noise canceling & no sound leaking you have to go with actual Studio/Monitoring/DJ- Headphones with no soundstage and super linear sound in general, unfortunately.

Also, 99€ for them is a joke... 229€ an even bigger one.

>>57727515
Sennheiser 558 or Phillips SHP9500 for open. 558's are more comfy, and 9500's are a bit colder. if you have the money get 558's

Brainwavz HM5 for closed. Amazingly comfortable, great isolation. Very neutral.

Also, what type of mic? Modmic? Zalman?

>>57727631
No point replacing them. They're still a perfectly good headphone.
Hell, I have DT770's from 2007 that are still fine.

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>>57727653
You're as dumb as this guy that reviewed them: https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RYYHSEQKOO7RC

If you wanted headphones with Active Noise Control, then that's what you should have ordered, retard.

>the 598Cs leak just as much as the SHP9500

No they fucking don't, not while you're wearing them.

>>57727839
>base
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>57727653
nowhere do they advertise noise canceling.

>>57727653
>While they are advertised as (passive) noise canceling they do shit
They aren't advertised as noise cancelling, you fucking melon.

>>57727653
>To avoid sound leaking and have at aleast decent noise canceling. THE ONLY REASON WHY A NORMAL HUMAN BEING SHOULD BUY CLOSED HEADPHONES

dumb dumb alert

ordered dt 880 pro's yesterday.

Did I fuck up?

Anyone have?

>>57727760
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm gonna check all those out. As for the mic, I've heard Antlion is good but they're pretty expensive compared to zalman. One is 50$ one is 5$ like wtf. Is there a huge quality gap between two?

>>57727910
how many ohms

>>57727910
No. They're the most flat Beyer headphone.

>>57727939
two fiddy

>>57727933
>One is 50$ one is 5$ like wtf. Is there a huge quality gap between two?
Eh, depends on what youre using them for. If youre just using it for voice comms or shitposting over skype, you're fine with the zalman.

Look up mic tests on youtube. It'll give you a vague idea.

>>57727942
I heard that the premiums have a different sound than the pro's is this true? People are saying the pros have a more refined bass and less bright high end treble

anybody know any cyber monday deals coming up

>>57728000
there are no fucking deals it's a scam, and any deals that they happened to throw out to all of the peasants gets sold out instantly.

>>57727408
The 250 ohm pro is the only one on sale, priced at $110 right now. I've got a UX1 to power it, I checked the archives and apparently someone has the exact same setup and it worked fine. Is that a good price?

can someone explain what the fuck tubing is and why some nerd is saying his cans sound best through it?

>>57727887
What? What's wrong with that?

The only pro points Closed design has over Open design is the possibility of noice cancelling/isolation and minimising sound leakage.

Some would argue for bass but there are also open cans with great bass.

Are you like dumb?!

>>57728102
Some people don't care about sound leaking out. Just sound leaking in to an extent.
And some people don't care about noise cancellation. If you're not using them on an airplane or a train, or have a loud air conditioner, ANC is pointless.

Not once did he mention isolation though.

Any recommendations for a dac/amp for an he400i?
Budget around $100 cuz itll be my first dac/amp cuz im just trying to begin.
I'll probably go for a Schiit stack after a while unless someone tells me why i shouldnt.

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>>57727839
>>57727873
>>57727880

Well, they actually do on the German info page... i.e. they describe it as noise isolating which is what noise cancelling does. I doubt that it's a mistake on their German page because you know IT'S THEIR BLOODY NATIVE TONGUE.

Check mate mongoloids!

>>57728087
Tubes intentionally add distortion. Often they end up warming the sound or coloring it in any way. Some people like that. It can simply be achieved with an EQ though. Buying a tube amp for anything other than warmth/color is stupid. Just buy a solid state if you just want an amp to amplify shit.

Tubes are more of an aesthetic autism thing.

>>57728188
Micca Origen+ if you want good features and form factor
SMSL M3/Fiio E10k for cheapo

>>57728192
>hey describe it as noise isolating which is what noise cancelling does
Are you actually fucking dumb?
Cancellation is NOT isolation
Two entirely different concepts.

>>57728209
It both describes isolating in & out.

It is describing noise cancelling alright.
Give it up already. You poo in the loo shills tried your best.

So I want something that sounds similar to the 598 SE. NOT THE SHITTY 598 C.

I do not like boomy bass, I like it to be subdued. I like sounds to be distinct and pop. I may or may not be a sub human mexican /v/edditor too. I just want something that matches my White/Black meme build and doesn't destroy my head after I spent all day doing work and am exhausted.

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>>57728192
>noise isolating
>which is what noise cancelling does

Do you not understand what closed back headphones are? Do you need a picture book to help you understand?

>>57728294
I highly doubt Sennheiser themselves are taking part in objective false advertising.
I own more Senny's than any other brand.

Stop shitposting please

>>57728308
Why not just get HD 598 SE's?
If not, HD 558 with foam mod, or SHP 9500s

>>57727515
K553 pro

>>57728294
there are two different types of noise canceling, retard

active and passive

now kys

>>57727910
>beyershit
you fucked up

>>57728209
so the Micca is just flat out better than the M3 and E10k?

>>57728364
Not him, But no, there's not.
There is no such thing as passive noise cancellation. You can't 'cancel' anything without actual circuitry.

>>57728364
it's noise isolation which is not noise cancelation. wtf has happened to /hpg/

>>57728388
In terms of features, yes. Sound is pretty subjective, but I believe so. SMSL's are fairly unknown, and the FiiO is just a safe buy.

>>57728319
Good to see nothing on /g/ changed... it is still full of retards who can't admit that they are wrong.

It's ok. Enjoy your Sennscheißer which have a hard time differentiating themselves from other 30 bucks cans sound & quality wise... too bad you paid 100 for them though.

>>57728308
beyerdynamics DT series have amazingly wide sound stage, so work well for gaming- especially for shooters. Their large velour pads are also super comfy and feel really light on your head for long gaming sessions.

Only tried the 770 and 880 though, I don't know about the 990's but I would recommend those for gaming or the 650's if you can afford them. These are the comfiest phones I've used, the 650 being the comfiest.

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>>57728434

>>57728339
copped a pair of Sennheiser 598's for 100 bucks on black Friday kek

I'm thinking of getting beyerdynamic DT 770

Do I go for 80 ohms or 250? Do I need an amp? New to all this.

>>57728636
the 80 ohm version can be powered by pretty much everything and the 250 require some kind of amplification. The sound difference is minuscule and irrelevant if you're not an audiophile, sound engineer or something.

do akg 712's really NEED an amp?

>>57725479
These were on sale for 99 quid on amazon on Friday.

I should have bought them goddamn it. I hesitated for too long and it went out of stock.

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Would these be good for a relative poorfag with a sub $100 (USD) budget?

http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?e=3508337

>>57728780
rekt>>57728476

is 3.5newtons of clamping force too much?

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Why is the 250 ohm variant cheaper than the 80 ohm variant? Isn't higher impedance = better sound quality?

>>57728831
>Isn't higher impedance = better sound quality?
Not inherently.

>>57728831
It's probably due to the fact that 250ohms require an amp so aren't very consumer friendly.

The 80ohms versions is cheaper on amazon for me though

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Praying the DT770 go on sale for cyber monday

>>57728805
Fuck you

>>57728854
>>57728859
That's a good deal on the 250 ohm model though right? Being cheaper by £15 compared to the 80 ohm model I mean.

>>57728920
from my experience lower ohms are meant for portability, 600ohms is for home use for retards with expensive as fuck amps who want to jerk off to muh audiophile quality, and 250 is a sweet spot that is noticeably better than the consumer brand but the difference between the 600 is almost inaudible

>>57728950
Right, thanks.

>>57728885
Uhh the 250 ohm's are only 129.00 on amazon right now. http://a.co/iEfCGO9

>>57725645
This.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B015ZDH7QG/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

are these good cans for the gf? She values clarity, but I want to get her something with a tiny bit more bass than neutral, maybe a tiny v shape.

>>57729198
get her these >>57725619

>>57729276
>>57725619

why do they look like the seats to a sofa

>>57729317
Most audiophiles have poor taste in design.
Fuck, take a look at Elears

>>57729317
it's some garbage fashion style

>>57725479
I decided to dig into the autistic territory and buy HiFiMan HE-400i headphones as so many of the Black Friday sale offers were shit unless you were good with shit tier or pennies off top tier.

Mostly had a lot of money saved up and already brought a decent headphone amp so I wanted new headphones to replace AKG K702 headphones that were partly damaged by crappy onboard creative sound card (good 90-95% of the time).
My AKGs were good before getting fucked.

Reviews for an improvement compared to current headphones better be right.

>>57725479
Should I spend roughly $450 on getting a pair of headphones + amp + dac or should I just save a little more and grab a 1440p 144hz ips monitor for $500-$600 instead?

>>57729403
that's up to you

any good bluetooth over hear headphones on sale? looking for sub 100, sub 60 preferred

>>57726889
They sounded pretty aight to me, nothing was really pronounced in my opinion but they were just sort of boring sounding. They leak sound like an open back headphone which is the reason why I'm returning mine. I have the status audio cb-1s which are much better but they're not portable at all. Gonna check out the beyer streets headphones next.

>>57729489
my roommate has been using them all day since they arrived and I haven't noticed any sound leak. weird how you say they do.

>>57729510
I had my gf wear them and play them at moderate volume in front me and I could hear every note. Not sure if I'm expecting too much from them but I was definitely expecting less sound leakage. Bummer .

I've had a pair of M50's for about three or so years now. If I bought those AKG headphones on Massdrop next time would I shit myself at the improvement in sound quality? Currently using a Fiio headphone amp.

>>57725243
>Ebay currently has a coupon for 15$ off $75 or more
Which country?

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I just bought a pair for $150. Will they be worth the $150 or should I have bought different headphones?

>>57729698

>990s

You're fucked. Why didn't you do an ounce of research beforehand and buy the 880s instead?

>>57729704
He probably thought because they had a higher number they would be better.

>>57729704
maybe he did do research and prefers a v shape instead of neutral? Ever think of that?

>>57729698
If you want heavy V-shape, and killer highs, they're your best bet.

>>57727238
I like how every "audiophile" used to swear by the M50, now it's the opposite, goes to show how shit the people on this hobby are.

>>57729704
>>57729716
>>57729719
>>57729747
I could have researched more but all I did was watch a video review and read a few amazon/ebay reviews. I only heard issues of sound leak.

>>57729807
You're gonna get sound leak with every open back headphone.

>>57729807
Amazon reviews are the words, they're almost always a bunch of hype beasts that make every headphone sound flawless. YouTube reviews are hit and miss
The biggest criticism with the 990's is that the high notes can hurt your ears if you aren't used to it. Low notes also maybe but its more of an issue with the high notes

>>57729835
>Amazon reviews are the words
worst*

>>57729806
How long ago would you consider "used to" because I've thought m50's were shit 5+ years ago.

>>57727048
anon's right, yo. have you tried out other chink IEMs?

What can I get under $100. I have MEE Matrix 2, but I use them in cable (BT it skips a lot and doesn't sound very good) I have nothing else to compare. I'm new to this so what would you recommend that sounds better?

>>57728885
It's already on sale, dude.

Advise me bros.

>Budget
I don't have a hard budget. Most of the recs I've seen are in the ~$200 range but for the right sound I'd be willing to go up around $500 with amp if necessary.

>Location
USA USA USA

>Source
Onboard PC sound/Phone/Sansa Clip+ but I'm open to looking at desktop amps.

>Type of Headphone
Full-sized

>Open or closed
No preference, I'm just using them at home so I don't need isolation

>Comfort level
I do most of my listening on M-Audio Q40's which are uncomfortable as shit even with 840 pads, so comfort would be a bonus.

>Sound Signature
I'm pretty sensitive to sibilance so neutral with a slight bass focus, I think. I like strong mids and not-too-recessed highs and great bass/sub-bass when called for, but I want the bass to retreat rather than take over when going from electronic music to something more detail oriented like jazz or orchestrations.

>Past headphones
Prodipe Pro800, M-Audio Q40, Sony ZX700, Senn HD 598Se. I love the separation and clarity of the more neutral phones, especially the soundstage of the 598, for about 75% of what I listen to. But I find the complete lack of 598 sub bass unsatisfying even on less aggressive tracks, and sometimes I just want to crank some grimy soundcloud beats and destroy my noggin with bass. The Q40 are fun as shit but offer zero nuance so I'm constantly switching between the 598 and Q40, with neither being absolutely perfect for me even still.

Is the 598CS any different from the normal 598s and 558s?

>>57730106
Yes

>Budget
100-150€
>Location
Germoney
>Source
Onboard PC
>Type of headphone
InEar
>Open or closed
-
>Comfort level
they should be comfortable even within 4-6h

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>>57730061
>>57729098
Was hoping for more of a sale on cyber monday, but nonetheless

>>57730178
An anon last thread said they're currently the cheapest they've ever been before, so don't be too picky.

https://www.amazon.de/Marshall-Major-OnEar-Kopfh%C3%B6rer-schwarz/dp/B00T6NKGMY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1480194439&sr=8-2&keywords=Marshall%2BMajor%2BII&th=1

Anyone tried those?

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Budget: <90$
Location: US
Source: Computer
Type: Uh..regular?
Closed
Comfort level: Something comfortable to wear with glasses
Sound signature: Don't know technical terms but something as true to the original source as possible. Don't care about extra base etc.
Past headphones: Steelseries Siberia VX (80$ ones about)

Shouldn't be hard to beat my old gaming headset, though one thing the style is somewhat important to me, no plain black looking ones (think 558s or 9500s for what not to suggest)

My first dip into actually trying to buy something better than what you'd find at best buy. Thanks. Also have a cutie for your troubles

>>57729884
Back when they costed $100 and less and had no detachable cable.

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what is the meaning of this /g/
is the dt880 a detailed, neutral set or does it have a similar sound signature to the recessed mids and harsh highs of the dt770? it can't be both can it?

Will the Sennheiser HD6XX ever be available again? Is it true that it sold out within minutes? $200 for an HD 650 seems almost too good to be true.

>>57730325
It's still relatively v-shaped compared to the K702 and HD6x0 but more neutral than the DT770 with typical Beyer treble peak.

last pair of headphones had inline volume control and im missing it on my new pair.
will a shitty .99c ebay Jack mess with the sound quality at all, if I run my headphone cord through it?

I'm guessing not but hey

>>57730398
how the fuck would we know? why do people asks these kinds of questions

>>57730435
>mess with the sound quality at all
There's ppl out there that can't differentiate a coat hanger vs a audiophile snake oil cable. You're fine..

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>>57730466
I was just asking a question. I did check 3 threads back about it...

How's the isolation on the Brainwavz M1? Thinking of buying these over the Etymotic Research Kids 5 due to them being 10£ off on amazon.

>>57730490
do you think someone here works at massdrop?

>>57730470
>There's ppl out there that can't differentiate a coat hanger vs a audiophile snake oil cable
you mean all people?

>>57730325
like >>57730399 said, DT880 isn't as neutral as K702: DT880 has great bass, but it also has violent highs, being much brighter than K702.

That chart isn't really accurate imo: HD600 should take the place of HD650 and some good headphones are missing (AKG K240 in $50-$100, AKG K612 in $100-$200), whereas other shit headphones should be removed (SR60i and AD700). As for $500+ headphones, don't even mind them: they aren't better than headphones costing half the price, actually thye might be even worse.

>>57730522
Re-read the post. It won't mess with your sound quality. Unless you believe in snake oil. Stop worrying about .99c

>>57730515
No. I just wasn't around when it dropped, and didn't hear about it until recently. Christ, what are you being such a lousy cunt about for?

>>57730535
i'm not the guy asking about the 99c adapter, the post implied there was an audible difference between the two examples

>>57730541
don't be surprised when you get called out for retarded questions

>>57730325
DT880: AMP useful
K702, HD650: AMP needed
my fucking sides. Who was the moron that wrote that chart?

>>57730560
Get stuffed.

>>57730563
the same kind of moron who thinks the K702 and T1 should be on any recommendation chart at all.

>>57730572
> le "k702 is bad" maymay

>>57730581
>k702 shill is still here
go away

do you fags ever stop memetexting long enough to actually discuss anything

>>57730590
not when a poorfag is still desperately shilling for a dead company for free

>>57730590
Are you on your period?

>>57730398

they make offers from time to time, just make a request, why dont you buy a hd600? you´ll save yourself from a lot of hasse and waiting for 60usd more

>>57730615
yeah all this estrogen in the thread probably triggered it

>>57730619
Because the HD6XX are the equivalent to the HD 650. At $260 for the HD 600 though, I'll think about it, thanks.

Oh, and I did make a request.

>>57730623
>yeah

Not surprised.

Would you guys recommend M20X for 25$? I'm poor as fuck. (only have 45$ to spend on headphones.)

Why is this general so shit compared to some of the others on /g/

t. /g/ casual

>>57730560
>>57730515
>>57730466
>>ask /hpg/ if they may have any information about /headphones/
>""""""""""retarded question"""""""""
I have news for you dense cunt
The retard here is clearly you
go fuck yourself, stupid shit

>>57730738
fuck off newfag

>>57730746
nice implication, fagtron

>>57730746
epic

I'm just looking for bluetooth not terrible, not ear buds, that aren't too expensive. should I just go with those skullcandy uproars that are on sale?
I saw the bluedio turbines come up during my search, are those any better?

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I have the custom one pro's and I want to replace the pads. What pads would be best and offers the most comfort. I live in USA.

>>57730828
are the COP gud? they're at the bottom of my short list at the moment

>>57730086
pls repspond

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Looking for a complimentary headphone to pic related. Something more bright, aggressive and exciting when that mood strikes me, mainly for metal music I suppose. Must be open, preferably $200AU or less.

I'm strongly considering a Grado SR80e. I've owned a 225i in the past, I know what I'm getting into with them and they'd suit my sound purposes pretty perfectly. However, they're pretty damn shit as a physical product for the price. I could probably deal with that but if there was something better with the kind of sound I'm after I'd consider it.

I've heard that the Audio Technica AD series are liked for metal? I could afford an AD700x but could also probably stretch for the 900x if it was substantially better. I owned the DT880 before the 650, don't think I'd go back to those since they're not really "exciting" at all despite being brighter. I suppose the 990s are an option...

Anyone here got the new Xiaomi Hybrid v2 yet? Apparently it has a dynamic + dual BA setup. I've never heard of dynamic and BA being used together. Is it a meme or what?

>>57730943
I had AD700x before my HD600. The AD700x are basically colder and less bassy than the HD600 (and by extension I would assume the HD650, which are even darker).

Those are the major immediately noticeable differences. So if you wouldn't mind a colder, less bassy phone to compliment your HD650, the AD700x or AD900x would be fine.

As far as I know, the AD900x is just a slightly bassier and warmer version of the AD700x.

I can't comment whatsoever on Grado or Beyer products as I've never owned or even used them. I hear Grados have very hot treble though. Watch out for tinnitus.

>>57730943
If you didn't think the DT880 was "exciting", I highly doubt you will feel differently for the AD series. Something v-shaped like X2 or DT770 may be what you are looking for.

anybody have experience with the mrspeakers mad dog? i have a line on a used pair and i'm wondering how they stack up against others in the $240 range

Saying 598cs is shit without ever listening to them is the new meme? I can't keep up

So what mics do you guys use for your headphones?

>>57730998
>>57730943
And I forgot to mention probably the most pertinent thing to your post—no, I didn't really find the AD700x exciting. They are cold, airy and extremely light on bass, but definitely not treble cannons. In fact they're kind of lifeless and fatiguing in a way.

The AD series are a very particular type of can that, unless you're specifically looking for that signature, you may not appreciate much at all.

>>57731016
i don't generally talk to my music

>>57731016

I don't. I own the HyperX Clouds for when I need to use voice chat.

>>57726474

>take them out
>blood stain
>put them back in

Man up.

>>57730694

M20X? Anyone?

>>57731030
>>57731001
>>57730998

Thanks anons. I'll probably give the AT's a miss and look at some other stuff. Probably demo a few things in person to make a decision. May very well just end up with the Grados, but we'll see.

Fuck this general

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>>57731111

>>57730297
>style is somewhat important to me
They're headphones. You don't see them when they're on your head dude.

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>>57730297

Here you go.

>>57731014
Mine sound alright

what do you guys think of the focal elear's? got to try them out the other day and they blew me away

>>57728792
sure but id rather have a 240

>>57730586
>the belgian is still here

>>57731123

Same with a car but you cared somewhat about what it looked like when you bought it. (assuming you didn't just buy the cheapest used thing you could find).

>>57731165
>what do you guys think of the focal elear's?
Overpriced, shittier HD6x0. They seriously lack in the upper registers.

>they blew me away
Compared to what else that you have tried/own?

What are the best audio interface to power up a dt 770 80ohm headphone?

Im thinking about purchasing the focusrite solo, any thoughts?

does /g/ have speaker threads?

Amazon is out of the Micca Origen+, can you get it anywhere else or does anyone have a recommendation for a similar amp?

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>>57731165

>Going past anything more expensive than the oldschool trio

It's just trade-offs and diminishing returns. All these meme summit-fi headphones are fucking heavy, it's retarded. I'm expected to pay 5 times the price for headphones that sound better but are way less comfortable? Plus I've heard the elear has issues with it's lower treble or upper mids or something? A big-ass notch taken out or something.

$300-500 will always be the king, it seems.

>>57731191
Occasionally. They die early.

Please answer without resorting to M50 hate-bandwagon or memeheisser.

I have ATH-M50 and bought the black friday 598Cs. Should the 598Cs sound better or worse?

>>57731212
>what is personal preference and taste

>>57731212

If they have ANY soundstage to speak of what-so-ever, better.

>>57731223
Since I bought them overseas if I want to return them after they arrive I have to pay shipping, that's why I ask.

>>57731189
anyone??

>>57731243

Maybe a soundcard?

>>57731169
I drive an old ass Toyota Hilux, so no, I don't care how it looks, beyond not looking like a rusty piece of shit that police would be attracted to thinking it's a hazard.

Either way, it's an irrelevant argument. You aren't looking for portable headphones, so I doubt you're using them in public.
You DO hower use your car in public, it represents you as a person.

Nice looking headphones are a bonus, but bad looking headphones should never be a reason to buy them if they're not for portable/outdoor use.

>>57731252
y50 laptop, so realtek...

>>57731208
ah, so where on 4chan can i talk about speakers?

>>57730470
thanks m8, I figured I was being paranoid

also if anyone else has been getting minor crackling in the sennheiser 598 cs, I just fixed it by switching to the HD audio driver after auto troubleshooting.

>>57731289
I don't see the problem posting here or just creating a speaker thread yourself.

>>57731289

Just make your own general, put some porn in it or something to draw them in.

>>57731194
SMSL M3 has the same features, but just a different form factor, and no high/low gain switch. Displays bitrate and all that.

>>57731315
i don't really come to /g/ and i just have a quick question actually, i may as well ask here.

Does anyone know if the UE boom 2 is good, my family is looking to get it, the reviews look good for it but i don't use speakers so not sure how good it actually is.

>>57731212
Pretty much anything is better than M50's.
Bass should be less muddy than M50's, and the highs won't be as ear rapey. Soundstage should be better too.

M50's arent as dark as 598c's tho.

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>>57731275

To each their own, I got a 2002 grand prix and a small part of that decision was because of its looks. If I can help it I will opt for something that looks nicer, and generally avoid anything that looks crappy. I also pick people up a lot and carpool frequently/ roadtrips so theres that as well.

I frequently have people over to my apartment where they would see my headphones. My room mates and girlfriend would see me wearing them. I plan on wearing them at the library as well (hence wanting closed back). Also I did say somewhat, and its not so much I want really nice looking headphones, I just quite dislike the way headphones like 598s look a lot. For example I don't mind the way the M20-50x's look, pic related are my wet dream for looks, sadly they are 200$ headphones though.

>>57731334

You could always go to SQG

>>57726474
Do not risk it. I just got an ear infection from that very reason. I had some small scratch in my ear canal, used Etys and it got infected. I got my ears washed as a result, doctor ordered two antibiotics as a cure. It's healed now and I can use the Etys again but don't be a retard like I was.

>>57730709
What makes it shit? What should we have more?

>>57730882
Ya boi. They are great.

I need new pads for my 880's.
What is the best relatively cheap replacement?
Doesn't need to be Beyer, just of the same comfort. I assume AKG size pads fit, right?

>>57726695
Are the m50x really worse than the m40x or m30x?

>>57732592
Depends on who you ask.

Is the HD800 still worth to buy?

>>57732727
Depends on who you ask.

>>57731212
You tell us nigger you have both

>>57732592
Worse than M40x? yes. M30x? Probably not.

M40x are slightly V-shaped. A really nice balanced sound that still retains detail.

M50x have heavy slightly sloppy bass, which a lot of /hpg/ finds pretty gross.

The main issue is the highs. M50x have fucking insanely unpleasant highs.
DT 770's do the same sound signature, but with a much smoother yet more detailed sound. Bass is a lot tighter on the 770's.

COP's also are quite similar. Bass is completely up to the user, and the highs aren't overbearing like the M50x, or like the 770's as some feel.

>>57732746
It hasn't arrived yet niggertard

Anyone have a legit frequency response graph for the ATH-M40x?

>>57732774
google it. m40x goldenears kr.

>>57732774
I have multiple.

http://goldenears.net/board/GR_Headphones/5705574
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/audio-technica/ath-m40x
http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/audio-technica-ath-m40x.php
https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/audio-technica/ath-m40x/

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What does /hpg/ think of the Schiit Jotunheim? Good upgrade for my O2/ODAC?

>>57732892
>upgrade
If it does something you need that O2+ODAC doesn't, sure.

>>57732892
NFB-11 is a lot better.
Only reason to get Jot is for the balanced output option.

>>57732913
How is that better? Any measurements to back it up?

>>57732917
Better clarity, much more transparent sound as a whole.
Also doesn't heat up to the surface temperature of the sun like Schiit gear does.
Most DAC fags agree that the NFB's are currently the best implementation of the Sabre ES DAC chips, which are fuckin great DACs.

Not sure if there are measurements. You'll have to look for yourself. Old AGD is shit so they've still kind of got that rep even though they now make really great products. Most people kind of have issues drinking the AGD 'koolaid' because of it.

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I know this isn't headphones but I was thinking of getting these as desk speakers for my computer (already have a good DAC). Will also be running a record player to them. Is this a bad idea?

Pic would be my setup + a record player

https://www.amazon.com/Audioengine-Active-2-Way-Speakers-Black/dp/B005OA3BSY/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1480338807&sr=8-4&keywords=audioengine+speakers

>>57732978
>clarity
Yeah ok.
>much more transparent
That's an oxymoron.
>DAC fags
I don't who they are but that is hardly authoritative.

Just post measurements of the gear. I doubt either will sound any different with any load you use or be any different sounding to the O2. O2 is probably the least noisy of the bunch. If anything, audible differences would mean one of the manufacturers fucked up as the specs the manufacturers boast are father impressive.

>>57733030

They're not *bad* but pretty overpriced for what they are. The Kanto YU5s are a pretty comparable set of speakers or you can get Audioengine 3s or 4s for a little more which I'd recommend.

>>57733077
rather impressive*

t. phoneposting fag

>>57727350
I've said it before measurements and reviews came to light:

I feel bad for the people that bought the 598Cs

>>57727088
They're not expensive, they do require quite the drive though

>>57732754
Yeah I am also waiting for mine but /g/ already made me feel buyers remorse without even listening to them. If I don't like them I'll probably return them and get the m40x

Should I cancel my hd598c order before it ships and instead buy m40x? Or should I at least try them before returning?

Any Cyber Monday deals?

Everything seems rather quiet in regard to headphones

Are earbuds my only option if I wear glasses? I've been using externals up until now.

>>57733449
Hit or miss situation.
Anecdotally, MSR7s do well with glasses (around the web and personal experience)

>>57732913
>recommending chink shit

No.

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Where can I go from here?

What are some good headphones that basically combine the good points of these 2?

Open or Closed matters not, though I seem to prefer Closed.

>>57731095

Yes

>>57733814

I have these two and i bought the hd600 it improves music quite bit, i also have the k553pro which is fun to hear and im waiting for the msr7, so ther you have it 3 non american made headphones

>>57733814
>Where can I go from here?
back. you have to go back.

>>>/r/The_Donald

>>57733853
>k553pro
What's the difference with the K550?

>Location
Europe
>Budget
$250-$300 USD
>Need an external DAC and AMP for DT 990 600 Ohm

>>57733904

the price and made in china, they also are not portable at all, long cable and gigantic pads

>tfw you remember when mdr-v6 was /g/'s go-to jizzphones.

We're getting old folks.

If I got some dt 770s and put a detachable cable on them then would they make for decent portable headphones? I know they're kinda big but are they comfy and leak a lot of sound? I know they sound good so those are my two criteria.

Should I buy the HD598 (open)? I don't know much about headphones but I've heard good things about these ones. I mostly listen to jazz and occasionally play some video games.

>>57734126
>I mostly listen to jazz and occasionally play some video games.
Yes, be aware they are open so everyone will be able to listen to what you're listening if they're close.

Akg k240 for $75 or ath m40x for $116? Just for general use and listening to music, already have a pair of akg k142hd but the cord is getting beat up. Whatchu guys think?

>>57725602
>>57725479
>>57725677
>>57726776
>>57726889
>>57733130
>>57727365

Don't believe the retards here who hate on the 598Cs, the hate it because
> Get jelly for missing that sale.
or
> It became mainstream, and they'll automatically hate it because of muh seret clubzzz
or
>They actually compare it to 900+$ headphones

So they'll only recommend dinosaur tech like this retard here >>57726695
or V-shape shit
>>57726945
Different in a better way.

>>57734165
How good are they compared to the HD558?

Hello, I got the HD 598 CS today and I'm kinda disappointed, I expected them to be better than this, even tho I have to burn them in. Anyway, I think I'll refund them if I won't like them after the burn in, and I'm gonna ask you what could i buy instead.

I owned the DT 770 PRO 250 Ohm before, and the ATH M50X which i hated for their ear killing highs.

>Budget
150-200€

>Location
EU

>Source
Desktop PC with a Yamaha amp

>Type of headphone
Over ear, doesn't matter if open or closed

>Comfort level
I spend like 5/6 hrs a day with headphones on, so quite comfortable

>Sound signature
I like warm bass, not too punchy, I mean that type of bass that hugs you like the gf you never had. And clear highs that don't rip off your ears when you rise the volume would be perfect.

I listen to almost all kind of music, mostly metal, hip hop and reaggae.

>Past headphones
ATH M50X and DT 770 PRO

>>57725479
Memeheiser users arriving today

>>57734260

the HD558 are warmer, there is a mod to make them more like the hd598, if you found them at the same price then go for the the HD598, the HD598SE come with 2 cables

>>57733928
Someone fucking answer i cant stand looking at my DT 990 being unable to use them and im stuck using these meme gaming g930.

MODI 2 and MAGNI 2 are out of stock and im not spending $500 on DAC/AMP

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>>57734237
>Get jelly for missing that sale.
Why would people be jealous? It was for everybody for grabs.
>It became mainstream, and they'll automatically hate it because of muh seret clubzzz
That's ridiculous. People like many "mainstream" or popular headphones here if they are good. Only a moron would fall for brand appeal and having been here for years, that's rarely what goes on and definitely doesn't seem to be the case here.
>They actually compare it to 900+$ headphones
You think price bears some inherent qualities to sound? You'd be wrong. Who made that comparison?
>Dinosaur tech
All of that is as dinosaur as the 598C.

My take on this whole 598C thing...

>A new Sennheiser headphone model goes for sale like every year
>It's named after a model that is vastly popular and has a good reputation
>It's closed design which, if combined with the sound and comfort of the model that bears similar naming, would make for a very nice product in its price range
>People get interested and jump on the deal without knowing a thing about the product in practice
>Measurements come out, showing the model has a very dark and bassy sound signature, considerably different from the open model with similar naming.
>Some people are disappointed, expected for something else and perhaps something better

Why are you even making excuses or being so defensive here?

>>57734561
Objective 2 from Head 'n' Hifi

>>57734522
The 558 are $40 cheaper than the 598 in my country. Do you think the 598 are worth the $40?

>>57734595
88mw per channel at 600 Ohm
>no thanks

aye yo guys. i am a dumb motherfucker who bought AKG k545 before. I know k5xx got trolled a lot in this board but i must say that this is a good headphone for violin sonata (violin+piano) and sometimes piano music.
but this headphone really dont have bass at all.

okay, now i am considering buying a new headphone. My purpose is to listen classical music( 50%chamber+30%piano+20%symphony), and my budget is 400 USD.
Do guys think JVC HA-MX10 is a good choice? I will pair it with Fiio E10k.

Or should I stick with Akg/sennheiser/sony.

>>57734595
Not him, but the 598 Cs are worth it for $99. Any of the issues I had with it were solved in the settings for my sound card.

>>57734661
I've heard that the HD 650 is good for classical music

>>57734595
>Hurr durr I'm just judging based on some graph copy pasted from other thread
Did you try it and listened to it for continuous 5 hrs ? then make a judgment based on that? of course no.

>Why are you even making excuses or being so defensive here?
I'm not. I'm saying those are great for 100$ (for 199$, maybe not much) but for that price, it was a great deal.

>>57734595
People say that the 598c has harsh midrange where vocals are, thats a stark contrast compared to the hd598 whose midrange was soft. That was a great characteristic of the headphone, it was pleasant to the ear

>>57733814
is that a genuine cap? if it's a chink one can you link or link it in /csg/?

>>57734605

maybe the HD598SE which are black and have two cables, metallic grid and leather imitation, if you like the looks of the brown HD598 they go for it, sound wise are pretty similar for gaming HD598 is better-

>>57734770

i meant the HD558 is similar to the open HD598

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-akg-k7xx-red-edition?mode=guest_open

AKG K7XX for $200, Y/N?

Are people forgetting the the HD 598Cs are $100?

>>57734825
same price as the hd558, but its a better headphone

>>57734757
Genuine

>>57734825
150 now

That's why people are mad. They didn't snatch it

which Ohm version of the DT770's should I get?

Does it really matter which? Thinking 80 'cause I don't think (?) I have to buy an amp then.

>>57735082
80 has the best bass.

>>57734322
Up, can I get some advice please

You're kidding yourself if you think there's any point to buying any other headphones other than the MDR 7506s.

There's literally nothing better

>>57735153
I would consider the m40x's just get some better pads for them like the brainwaves.

>>57735179
>MDR 7506s
they dont look comfy

770s all the way

What are the best headphones with >no amp ?

Budget doesn't really matter, although if you guys could recommend me some under $300USD that would be great, otherwise I can just save up, but kinda of a poorfag with shitty job so headphones with amp is a no no yet.

A friend of mine recommended me the 598SE, are these really the best?

btw I live in Mexico but I can easily get stuff from the US. Thanks

>>57732913
>>57732978
>still trying to push this chi-fi meme
fuck off, nobody cares about the fact that you own that piece of shit and spamming the thread with how great it is as post-purchase rationalization is not helping anyone.

>>57735305
MDR 7506s

>>57734100
Help pls

>>57734201
Heyoo anybody?

>>57726889
>I NEED A CONSENSUS HERE
That's not going to happen, ever.

>>57733250
Like everyone with a similar question, find out what you want first. Both of those are different.

>>57734625
You'll break your ears with O2 on the right gain setting. It's way powerful enough for any DT990 at 7 Vrms which is its peak output. Headphones are voltage driven devices.

>>57734710
>Some graph
It's a flat coupler frequency response measurement and we have another measurement done on the same coupler to reference it to, too. If you know how to interpret that, know how to listen to coloration and have any kind of picture in your head on how different response sounds like(or just know how to use a parametric equalizer), it gives you infinitely more reliable information than some subjective ramblings on the internet.
>of course no.
Yeah of course no, I don't own them. If I said I did and if I did, would that change anything? No. Or would you just take my word for it?
>I'm saying those are great for 100$
That's entirely subjetive. If you don't like the sound, it's probably not a great deal. Obviously not everyone is pleased with the sound and seeing the graph, I'm not questioning why. I wouldn't even consider it, no matter the price.

>>57734731
>harsh
>soft
Those could mean many things. It certainly doesn't seem harsh from the graph. Some people here(and Reddit) seem to think it sounds great and balanced, some on Amazon complain about the lack of bass in this quite bassy headphone. People's preferences and ability to listen vary.

>>57735082
80 Ohm is a safe choice, should be easily powered with most devices unless you want to listen on very loud volumes.

>>57735236

770 are not portable, and might need an amp

7506 never ever hurt my ears on noisy enviroments

>>57735305

Im from mexico too, want open or closed? Fill the form

>>57726697
I listened to his sound demo for these. Those highs kill but the bass helps with that.

Are HD600 ever going to be discontinued? I've been seeing them rise in price recently, is 300 euro a good price? Europe

>>57735822
>I've been seeing them rise in price recently
The HD650 are still the same in amazon.co.uk (275€ +/-). The old price for the 600s should come back soon

>>57735637

I'm not really too demanding, I just want some really good quality shit. But here goes:

>Budget
Preferably <300USD, I can spend a little more if it's really worth it.
>Location
Mexico
>Source
Mostly PC but I use my cellphone while going/coming back from work.
>Type of headphone
Over Ear
>Open or closed
Whatever affects sound quality the least.
>Comfort level
I can endure some really uncomfortable fuckers if they sound heavenly.
>Sound signature
Neutral, preferably. Or as close as I can get for that price.
>Past headphones
I've had some HD429 fuckers since 2012. Big jump from generic skullcandy shit and I really enjoyed them but they felt a bit too bright for my taste. Poor things died recently.

>>57735822
>Are HD600 ever going to be discontinued?
Yes.

300e is around what you'd expect them to be, sometimes dropping down closer to 250e.

>>57734934
Ahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa! 558 is way better than that closed up garbage you deaf nigger. 558s are very close to open 598s. 598CS is a memephone that sennheiser shat out as an amazon exclusive. That should tell you they dont trust that product at all!

>>57735822
Not unless cucks stop buying them. Too overpriced for what they are.

>>57735875
>558s are very close to open 598s
558s ARE 598s

>>57735846

you need portable bro, look for the mdr v6 of mdr 7506 the bad thing about these is the coiled cable, i managed somehow these are the best and cheapest you can get lets say the bang per buck

you might also want the ath m40x with hm5 pads these are slightly v-shaped but are good regardless, not bad thing for these on the go

other option is ath msr7 if they still are around 180usd for great sound and portability they can be a little unconfortable or the best portable and confiest mdr 1a around the same price, the msr7 are more "analitical" the 1a are for chilling for hours

if they are your first believe me that you dont need more than the 7506 unless you want to burn the money

>>57735948
They arent, there is an small foam pad inside that changes the sound a little. Same drivers though and moddable

>>57736008
it's not even enough to call it a "mod" by removing the foam. also measurements indicate the foam makes the 558 more neutral than the 598

>>57735846

you can also buy 2 one open for the PC they have better soundstage and more natural sound, and one closed for the go, anyway if you want to save just buy the 7506/v6

>>57736020
>Voiding you warranty to remove an internal piece

It is an mod nigger

>>57736054
>actually thinking removing foam voids warranty
the mod is reversible anyway. don't lump it together with actual mod efforts, what a joke

>>57736020

no, they make it more warm, neither is neutral, the highs of the hd598 are much better too

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>>57736073
stop talking out of your ass or back up your claims