The Great Debate

>>57717079
Neither, hold off your upgrade till you're able to afford the best card out there.

>>57717079
XFX RX 480 GTR

>>57717079
4gb version is like $100 cheaper
is $100 really worth the barely noticeable performance for the very few games that 1060 provides?

>>57717127
4GB doesn't quite cut it nowadays, even at 1080p.
You already have some some games pushing the 5GB boundary on that resolution.

>paying for shit cards that can barely do 50fps on FullHD on several games and will be even weaker next year already

Seriously, retards.

If you don't buy a card that atleast performs on GTX1070 level, you are dumb.

And don't come with the Crossfire/SLI argument, it's shit.

>>57717079
superior performance on dx12 and vulkan
2 extra gb of ram
custom models fixed the 6-pin issue
literally the same price, sometimes less

there is no debate, rx480 demolishes the 1060

nvidia wins on the 1050 vs rx460 and the 1070/1080 versus nothing

now delet dis

>>57717380
>in reality the 1060 destroys the RX 480 in 99% of the games
Forgot about that, did we?

>>57717411
that's because 99% of the games today are dx11/10

the rx480 is a future proof card familio, it's meant for poorfags that can't a fford a new card every year

>>57717428
>future proof
Taking into account AMD is actively gimping older cards nowadays, I wouldn't use that.

>>57717411
In old games the 480 hits 60fps in 1080p and it's better in new ones. best deal for semi poorfags.

>>57717446
[citation needed]

>>57717446
any proof to your statement?

>>57717446
I think you mixed up AMD and Nvidia there... Nvidia is known for gimping their cards while AMD is known for just improving performance as time goes on.

>>57717446
amd gimping cards that lasted 6 years so far

yeap

meanwhile

nvidia made the 9xx series legacy after 1.5 year
and pascal is going be legacy also after 1.5 year since its basicly a 9xx series..

>>57717446
I think you have typo in word "Nvidia"

>>57717428
I know we can all agree of Nvidia being a shit company, but really a gtx 1060 is still superior in every way.

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>>57717428

>future proof
>a budget, mid range at best gfx card that struggles even today in wqhd/4k
>future proof

The only "future proof" card you can buy is the Titan and that's still

>future proof :^)


If you buy budget option to play gayms in 3 years on low in 30 fps, then you should immiedatly vacate this planet.

>>57717079
The 1060 solely because it's cheaper. Gigabyte g1 gaming 1060 was 240 quid when I checked yesterday. The g1 gaming 480 is like 280.

>>57717079
not upgrading my 770 until hbm/gddr5x is industry standard

>>57717446
my old ass 7950 proves otherwise

>>57717304
but i am poor, senpai

>>57717537
the g1 480 on amazon is as low as 220..

>>57717483
The 390 which has 15% more cores and a way bigger memory bus is performing worse than a 470 in most games now. It should be faster than a 480 since any aftermarket 970 is proven to be faster than a 480.

>>57717598
got any proof on that beyond a single game?

>>57717457
>>57717475
>>57717477
>>57717483
>>57717493
>>57717555
R9 3xx and Fury are already being gimped. Google some recent benchmarks.

>>57717079
480
>>57717154
What games require 5gb for 1080p? 2gb is mostly enough for 1080

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>>57717597
Can't tell if retarded or just trolling

>>57717304
What you said was bullshit
>>57717380
This, the 1060 may perform better now, but here in a year or two when everything is dx12 it will outperform it by a huge margin.

>>57717154
Total bullshit.

>>57717616
>single game
>bf1
>infinite warfare
>dishonored 2
>titanfall 2

Just from the top of my head.

>>57717598
you do realise that 470 is being created to have a 290 level of perf right?
also proofs and not from a single game..

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>>57717670
amd gimps their own cards..
oh wait

>>57717616
Now that's what I call damage control.

>>57717654
Sure bro.

It's amazing how you guys defend a brand just because you didn't have the money to buy a better card.

>>57717675
A 390 is as fast as a 290x. It should be faster than a 470/480.

>>57717079
I'm buying a 460, and their is nothing you fags can do

>>57717708
>480 faster than a 390x
>470 faster than a 390

You can't make this shit up. This graph has literally sold me a 1060. Or maybe a 1070 but still, this level of amd gimping is next level shit.

>>57717717
since when ? LOL 480 was and is suppose to be at fury nano or simple fury levels and often it is with 5-6 fps difference
470 is on 290x level

>>57717708
That's called generation leap. Something AMD hasn't grasped yet.


>Nvidia is bad because they actually launch cards that almost double the performance from the previous model
>AMD is somehow good because they keep recycling their chips and optimising drivers but still perform subpar to Nvidia

>>57717731
>buying a 6 year old Nvidia card
Yeah have fun with that.

>>57717747
470 is to be faster than r9 amd said so months ago
480 is to be on fury line level amd said so months ago
shills come here to prove that amd gimps their cards
post results of their cards doing what they are suppose to do
shills calls it gimping

>>57717749
>LOL 480 was and is suppose to be at fury nano or simple fury levels

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no. It was meant to be 390x levels but fell severely short. Amd had to gimp the 390x to make their 480 look better.

>470 is on 290x level

This is laughable now. Amd themselves said it was supposed to compete with the 970 and would be around 290 levels of performance when it came to the entry level of VR.

>>57717754
yeah we saw how nvidia provided "almost double the perf" when it comes to dx12 compared to their previous cards..

oh wait doom actually showed that a 480 was beating a 1070
hmm
LOL

>>57717627
DCS World.

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>>57717823
Keep dreaming, Pajeet.

>>57717801
im sure you have all sorts of proofs to actually back up this shit right?
i guess you can find many benches that show how 3xx series got gimped before and after polaris right?

All these fags crying about 5-10 fps. Buy whatever is cheaper, that's what I literally just did at microcenter 20 minutes ago. I won't even tell you what I got because it really doesn't matter at that price.

>>57717780
Now you're joking but I meant the RX 460

>>57717747
>470 better than 970
>480 better than 980
Shit I guess Nvidia is gimping harder than AMD

>>57717847
talks about dx12/vulcan
posts a opengl result

truth hurts a bit i know https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyuoQIuEZj0
and i wont even post the digitalfoundry one which they had a better system...

>>57717829
>DCS
What the fuck, name an actual game that will hit 4gb at 1080p

>>57717946
>graph literally showing openGL and Vulkan
>Nvidia completely and utterly destroys AMD
Can't make this shit up.

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>>57717856
>390x was faster than a 980 before polaris
>slower than a 970 after polaris
>in an amd optimised game

Even with an overclock to the 390x it's barely faster than the 480 and still slower than the 970.

What how you call this some conspiracy and lie and request to see like 2000 more games.

>inb4 dx12

It's broken in bf1. There's so much evidence that you can't even use that excuse with this.

>>57717967
In one benchmark, it wins in every other one I've seen

>>57717955
>the game you named is not a real game
What?

>>57717971
so wait i ask to bring back benches from games that actually had benched 390 before and after
and you bring bf1?

man you cant even try to not be biased as shit lol

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>>57717980
>one benchmark

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/new-patch-brings-vulkan-support-to-doom.html

>>57717967
and every single video is showing 480 to be 40 fps higher
EVERY SINGLE ONE
hmmm
its not like pcgamer is a shiil for nvidia right?
who can forget their articles to buy a 970 1 week before the pascal cards was about to launch

>>57717710
>3.5 is more than enough guys! A lot of VRam is a meme!
>4gb is not enough guys! Look at this one game that uses 5 when you give it the chance!

Nvidiots can't get their shit straight

>>57717990
Name just one game that will hit 4gb at 1080p. Just not that one. Occasionally spiking to that amount doesn't count either

>>57717911

What would you do if they were the same cost? I came to the thread looking for reasonable discussion so I could pick one. You're the first chill anon.

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>>57718020
>one benchmark
lmfao
You poor pajeets are a fucking joke.

>>57717999
>b-b-but I'm too retarded to use the power of logic to notice a negative correlation with X gpu across games in X amount of time

Like clockwork. Always shitting the goalposts. I like the way you couldn't even refute my post. I guess I'm done here.

>>57718019
I call bullshit, no way the 1070 can get 50fps at 4k

just wait 18 months for new cards to be out

>>57718072
Not that it would matter, as half of the fucking tech sites over inflate nvidia/intel numbers.

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>>57718072
>b-but it's only one benchmark
I'm keking so hard right now, anon.
The denial is real.

>muh Vulkan
>Nvidia still utterly destroys AMD on its own API
Can't make this shit up.

>>57718066
all i see is stupid posts and not enough proofs of your claim...
fact is there isnt a single game out there that was perfoming good on 390x and suddenly it got cuked after 480 released..
NOT A SINGLE ONE

>>57717971
RX 480 has a far better tesselator and memory compression than the 390x

Cheapest RX470 4Gb you can find.

>>57718093
I-it's shilling guys!!!!111 AMD is best, am I right guys????

>>57718103
I don't give a shit anymore, dragging on for fucking ever, believe whatever

>>57717154

You will never max out even 3GB let alone 4GB VRAM for anything at 1080p. Prove me wrong.

>>57717911
Honestly I don't know. They're both good cards for the price. I'm happy with my choice because based on previous models my card should be better for graphic design, given that increase in performance is probably 1-3%. Just go with what you think looks cooler I guess. You really aren't going to notice the difference in performance so you might as well enjoy looking at it, right?

>>57718106
hush little one dont spoil the shilling for nvidia here

>>57718051
I responded, but being the autist I am responded to myself. Hope you're still here.

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>>57718105
Another retarded euro who can't refute my posts. There was no evidence that nvidia performance was going down either (as confirmed by multiple benchmark videos on YouTube and articles) in the same games yet "b-b-but gimping". Anyone who had an aftermarket 780 ti is so much happier than any fury x owner right now.

>>57718135
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm5ZCJah-FY
who can forget the day that nvidia got cheating again

>>57718135
I will, friend. As soon as I get home, I'll launch Forza Horizon 3 and I'll show it to you taking up more than 5GB of VRAM.

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Love my 1060. Don't give a fuck about DX12. When DX12 becomes more prevalent these cards will become outdated by then. I just care about current stuff and the 1060 can handle everything you throw at it.

>>57717618
post a single benchmark, showing that 3XX performance has DECREASED since its initial release

>>57718197
That's hard to do, especially when those cards were shitty to begin with :/

>>57718151

Yeah, I'm still here. And no, I'm not worried too much about the performance difference right now. I've had some bad luck with AMD cards in the past so I thought I might try Nvidia. I just wonder if the amount of VRAM in the 1060 will still be good in 2 years.

Wish there were more GPU companies for desktops!

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Daily reminder that if you support nvidia you belong on >>>/v/

They don't give a shit to help you if you're using anything but windows. Even Linus has on record has called nvidia a shit company that's very difficult to work with. Nvidia put such little effort into the linux drivers that even the reversed engineered drivers are better than the official ones.

This thread has descended into shit, to be expected.

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>390 vs 970 stock
>970 stock is trash as everyone knows
>dx12 and amd favoured api
>390 still gets smoked by a stock 970
>i-it's not gimping guys, I s-swear

Actually iirc in their just cause video they said they're using an asus 390 which has a 50/70 mhz oc to it and it's still losing to the 970.

>>57718257
>muh loonix
lmfao

Who the fuck cares about your shitty excuse of a hobby?

Get whatever's cheaper.

For 1080p, I suspect 3-4GB is good enough. 6GB-8GB if 1440p.

Only certain triple A games utilize these anyway.

8GB RAM is a meme, because given enough gpu power, it doesn't matter if its got 4GB where as a weaker card got 8GB.

>>57718257
Is this English? I can't understand anything other than someone is assblasted

>>57718224
>HURDUR AMD GIMP CARDS
>post proof
>HURDUR THEY WERE BAD TO BEGIN WITH
solid reply

meanwhile, my 4 year old 290x that I got used for $180 is on par with a gtx980 and better than a 6gb 1060 >>57717708

>>57718282
>lmfao
I expected nothing less from an underage nvidiot. Go home >>>/v/

>>57718320
>$900 amd flagship is faster than a $450 and $250 gpu with half the amount of cores

I should think so too. The 780 ti still kicks ass today as well. Faster than all of these cards.

>>57718320
>saves money getting amd
>gets raped with electricity bills
You're doing it wrong, son.

>>57718326
Nigger please. I'm a full grown adult and I don't even go to /v/.
It just happens -- and I know this is hard for you to understand -- that some of us are actually not autistic nor spend time doing useless shit on special snowflake so-called "OSs."

>>57718373
on that same benchmark, a $1000 780ti is barely faster than the $300 gtx970, nearly 10% slower than the 290x it was meant to compete with

>>57718373
> with half the amount of cores
You can't compare cores directly in those cards. AMD cards were better in GPGPU applications, but "more cores" means shit in games.
> 780 ti still kicks ass today as well
Already sucks in Forza games.

>>57718399
hush hush we dont talk about 780ti
especially when it comes to dx12 perf its a no no that it fucks up a 970 and its on par with a 980 at some cases...

funny thing about 7xx cards.. because they are superscalar desings with a hardware sc nvidia cant really use their shitty driver to gimp them and when it comes to dx12 780ti in some cases is on par with a 480 (aots in some heavy scenes)

>>57718240
Yeah I'm coming from an r9 290 and it was nothing but problems. My friend lent me a 750 ti while I got the money for a new card and it was much more stable, worse performance by far but much more stable. The same friend got a 480 and is already annoyed with it. If VRAM is your concern then get the 1060 6gb or the 480. I don't think it will make a difference now and I'm not smart enough to tell you about the future, so honestly whatever fits you the best, both price and looks, is what you should grab.

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>>57718399
1. The 780 ti was never $1000 whereas the 290x was $900 for extended periods of time

2. Stock benchmarks aren't representative of real world performance since 99.99% of people looking at the gpu market buy aftermarket which is whole different story

3. Any aftermarket 780 ti with a modest overclock is faster than all those cards, as I mentioned before but you seemed to have ignored.

Video evidence doesn't lie.

>>57718393
When you type like an underage /v/edditor I'll assume you're an underage /v/edditor. There is no excuse for how nvidia treats users of their hardware like this, half assing drivers for a quick shekel like the jews they are. Go home to your containment board, >>>/v/

>can buy Gigabyte GTX 1060 G1 Gaming and MSI Radeon RX 480 GAMING X 8GB at the same price
>still can't decide
>see this thread

Thanks guys
Now I am even less sure what to buy

>>57718257
Oh nice that's cool yeah we're mainly talking about gaming performance here though so I mean hey you might think Linux is cool and all but woah now buddy just remember that Linux is oh man not that great for gaming on either side compared to the oh my god so awful os known as windows so damn you're pretty much just making an ass out of yourself oh good golly gosh

>>57718399
>>57718440
>780 ti is gimped! Haha nvidiots!
>780 ti is faster than a 980! Haha nvidiots!

these retards cant even keep their story straight. did you not memorise the lines amd gave you? youre going to lose todays pay now :(

>>57718564
check how 780ti performs under dx12
then come back with your tail between your legs asking for forgiveness

>>57718537
Get whatever's cheapest for you. You aren't going to notice any 5-10 fps difference in any game and the secret to having good VRAM performance is to not think about it because everyone over exaggerates everything. Remember why you're buying a budget card guys. Why are you spending $50-$100 more for barely any better performance? This is the wrong market to try and get the best bang for your buck. Just buy a fucking card and forget about it, otherwise you wind up sweating all over threads like this one defending your $500 choice.

>>57718479
>1. The 780 ti was never $1000 whereas the 290x was $900 for extended periods of time
290x was never $900. it launched at $549 (as per AnandTech)

>2. Stock benchmarks aren't representative of real world performance since 99.99% of people looking at the gpu market buy aftermarket which is whole different story
"I don't like your benchmarks so I'll ignore them"

>3. Any aftermarket 780 ti with a modest overclock is faster than all those cards, as I mentioned before but you seemed to have ignored.
you literally NEVER said anything about overclock

>Video evidence doesn't lie.
that's a 780ti Matrix, which debuted at $825

>>57718583
Dx12 is broken. Don't use that meme till developers have good dx12 implementations. I wouldn't take anything out of dx12 performance yet since it's massively variable going from title to title. You get games with big performance boosts or games like bf1 which causes minimums to tank and also general decreasing of performance across both amd and nvidia.

>>57718605
AMD cards used to cost a fuck ton, are you drunk? Bit mining fucked the prices.

>>57718631
yeah i know how it is

when the devs use a proper dx12 implementation aka dual render path is broken because it favors amd
when devs use single render path aka dx11 masked as a dx12 is not broken because nvidia is on the lead..

>>57718465
>much more stable [than my 290]
I love my 290, but yeah, it can be unstable. I bought it used off Kijiji, so maybe he fucked with it, but it's fine most of the time. even at stock settings, sometimes I'll get artifacts while gaming

>>57718605
>290x was never $900. it launched at $549 (as per AnandTech)

http://wccftech.com/r9-290x-retail-prices-hit-900-mark-asus-listing-pulled/

>"I don't like your benchmarks so I'll ignore them

I could say the same about you. However I'm the one being more objective here. The aftermarket is a whole different story. Joker productions did a video on a 390 and 970 in bf1 and the 970 came out on top by 5+ fps. Stock benches would make you think the 390 was faster by 5+ fps. It's misleading for the people looking to buy aftermarket since nvidia performance goes up by a significant margin due to superior overclocking headroom. Most known brand 970s come with overclocks which put it near 980 performance, and they cost the same as 390s too.

How many stock blower gpus have you owned? I'm interested to know.

>you literally NEVER said anything about overclock

Aftermarket = overclocked gpu. Literally every aftermarket gpu (with aftermarket cooler) from known brands come with an overclock, even if it's 20 mhz to a 970 like the zotac base model.

>that's a 780ti Matrix, which debuted at $825

I don't know if you're inflating the pricing or not but that's no where near the 1000 dollar figure you claimed before.

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>>57718746
Oh don't get me wrong, I had my 290 for 2 years and I loved it. Eventually it just stopped working though, it was actually a slow death that I got to watch span over several sad months.

Sold it to some kid on Craigslist for $160 and have no regrets.

>>57718669
No. You are severely retarded if you believe this. More conspiracy garbage.

The reality of the situation is that dx12 can not be properly utilised if dx11 exists as confirmed by the Hitman devs. Simple as that. Dx11 versions of games are hampering their dx12 counterparts due to each api being fundamentally different. This is why devs should scrap dx12 for now and focus on dx11 (and making good ports eg dishonored 2, mafia 3 etc are all car crash ports) till they either scrap dx11 in 3/4 years time to move to the industry standard dx12 or till they can figure out how to make a good dx12 implementation on top of their dx11 base game.

>>57718855
actually no
it was indeed nvidia was was and is saying that the version of dx12 that amd promotes isnt the right one instead theirs(single render path) is
that is why the shit with time spy being a single render path started

>>57718886
Again, fuck off with this anti nvidia/amd and pro shit devs narrative. Dx12 is broken due to the devs and solely because of them not knowing how to implement it. It's got nothing to do with nvidia or any of their opinions about anything.

I bet you're one of the people who actively shill dx12 games for the sole fact that it's dx12 even though the majority of dx12 games as of yet have been absolute dogshite ports with dx11 performing better.

>>57718171
forza horizon 3 is a bad port though

>>57719305
They all are these days.

And that doesn't make his argument any less valid so shut the fuck up.

Shadows of mordor uses up to 6GB vram too.

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>>57717627
>>57717654
>>57718135

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>>57717079
amd?
gross

>>57717113

So a GTX 1080 or is the Titan actually somehow worth it?

>>57719484
Nope gtx 1080ti.
Better than 1080, but not quite there with the Titan. It will still be good enough for your needs in quite many years.

>>57719532

How much better than the 1080?

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if you buy a 3gb card in 2016, you're stupid

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The XFX RX 480 GTR beats a GTX 1060 on powerdraw.

>>57718257
/g/ay twat, AMD drivers are actually worse on linux than nvidia ones

t.Linux user

>>57719569
just because it's using that much vram doesnt mean it actually needs it, it just caches everything it can

>>57719560

the new titan can run many games in 50+fps on 4k so 1080ti is somewhere around that

>>57717079
As much as I loath AMD's driver support, the RX480 really is the value leader
>Full 8GB of RAM
>On average, outperforms the GTX 1060

In any case though, check benchmarks on the games you want to play and see what does better.

>>57717079
Do you need CUDA or GaymanWorks?
If no, then rx480 if yes then GTX1060