What went wrong?

>hey guys, what about instead of just adding new stuff and deprecate the old stuff to keep backwards compatibility with kegacy code we just completely change the language specification

>>57689197
>someone who hasnt used python in forever

>>57689197
wait wut happened

>>57689551
Python 3 came out 8 years ago and there are people who refuse to upgrade because that means rewriting their spaghetti code into something that's efficient.

>>57689569

Have you ever met software developers?

They're the biggest bunch of luddites on the planet.

>>57689197
You used the title instead of comment field.

>>57689527
>we just completely change the language specification

If you know python2, you know python3.

Nothing big changed

Any problems with library support with 3?

>>57689884
Oh yeah, I know the basic syntax is pretty much the same, but there are so many timy changes that refactoring old code became a chore.

Also many module developers dragged their feet when uodating their shit to 3.0, which slowed down the adoption rate even more

>>57689197
The jump to Python 3 didn't change enough for people to bother upgrading but did change enough to make people find it too complicated to upgrade.

Also, all the most prolific and well-established books, guides and tutorials are based on Python 2

I accidentally started with Python 2 because I listened to someone say the libraries wont updated and codecademy was using 2.7.

I sincerely hope nobody else falls for that bullshit. Any major library has been made available for Python 3 and its just superior.

>>57690147
You are a stupid cunt jew retard

>>57690147
Newfriends cannot learn python 3. Your experiance with Python 2.7 allowed you to comprehend Python 3.

>>57691541
Yeah but you're gay

>>57689917
The only major issue I have is that socks hasn't been ported over which means httplib2 doesn't support proxies.

Guess who needs httplib2? Google's api interface for python (reeee) :(

>>57691571
That is nonsense

>>57689197
They threw the baby out with the bathwater.

Another example is what happened with Angular 2.

It was invented.

>>57691597
Implement it yourself then

>>57691571
t.Retarded tripfag.

>>57689197
str() went wrong. Who the hell thought replacing a function with another that breaks backwards compatibility is a good idea?

Throwing out the old strings pissed off dumb nerds like >>57693396. Constantly encoding and decoding is shit, I for one am glad they threw the trash out.

>>57689197

Python 2 was a complete fail.

With Python 3 they finally realized Strings should be unicode by default and made a slightly less retarded syntax.

Still Python is so annoying:

# python
len(';'.join("a,b,c".split(',')))

# ruby
"a,b,c".split(',').join(';').length

>>57693981
No nigger that shit messed up my real time socket message decoding code. Took me like 2 days to find a way to make SWIG work with Python 3

>>57689197
Nothing, but Zed Shaw turned out to be a complete ignorant retard.

>>57689197
>let's change the language/interpreter enough to be incompatible but not enough to really benefit

>>57693028

Basically this.

I prefer powershell/.net to python*

suck it.

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>>57689569
>python (any version)
>efficient
thanks for the laugh senpai

>>57689527
That's a great idea! I think it's time for Python 16 now. Just make sure it's not compatible with anything that came before it so the plebeian programmers don't bring their ugly ancient Python hobbits to this pristine Python 16 multiverse!

>>57693028
this, and also python language wasn't discontinued

>>57693997
But... what you're doing there is complete nonsense

arr = str.split(",")
str = ",".join(arr)

>>57689864
Underrated

>>57695425

Yes, it was just an example. Still, there's no excuse that you have to evaluate that code like this:

method_c(b.method_b(a1.method_a(a2)))

instead of this:
a1.method_a(a2).method_b(b).method_c(2)


I know that "len([1,2,3])" is just a shortcut for "[1,2,3].__len__()", but that doesn't help pythons case here. If I invent a stupid shortcut which is the 'one and preferrably one way to use', then it's still retarded.

EITHER you go full Pascal and use everything as function arguments.
OR you go OOP where objects have properties and methods.


But this "in-between" is the cancer that is really killing Python. Python tries to be everything at the same time without a sensible and intuitive concept.

The sad thing is that Zed A Shaw went out too early

Imagine if he was here in the popularity that is JS.

Back then Ruby was thought to be big, but nothing could've prepared to the state of the programming right now. Like people actually used Ruby at some point

>>57696072
http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/ruby/rails/is-a-ghetto

>>57696072

Dude, Rails was one of the most influential frameworks ever. Literally every langauge has made a Rails clone. The Rails community was full of battles, but it was a super-productive environment. They did a lot of trying out stuff, they made a lot of mistakes, but they also learned from their mistakes. Rails5 is a very mature and very well designed piece of software. Also it was influential for others. CoffeeScript, Ember.JS, Underscore.JS, Elixir (and therefore the Erlang community), even in modern languages like Go, Swift or ECMA Script 6 you can find traces of Ruby. Last but not least, Ruby is by far the best scripting/web language out there. Even if you don't like Rails, there are so many good frameworks like Camping, Sinatra, Cuba..

>>57696086

bottom line:
Zed Shaw meet some people that were mean to the poor Zed and just didn't see how much a genius he is. Also it's somehow the fault of Ruby/Rails that Zed worked for a lot of assholes, because reasons.

>>57696620
Rails and Ruby is dead dude

>break backwards compatibility for the sake of greater good
>keep SELF

>>57697407
>keep metaclasses/mutable classes
>keep py_init(); and the rest of horrible C API
>Perl still has better sandboxing
>keep undeclared variables
>keep long start times

>>57697354
>>57696620
But like he said, lots of other languages have things similar to Rails