/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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>>57656018
Why shouldn't I use Arch? Will I be heavily limited in packages or other stuff compared to debian/ubuntu?

First linux but I don't necessarily mind some learning curve since I am not full retard, just new.

>>57657814
Actually arch is one of the distros with most software, because of the AUR. You need to compile them, though. Still, official repositories aren't bad.

https://www.humblebundle.com/books/unix-book-bundle

Is the $8 tier worth it? How reputable are O'Reilly books focusing unix rather than programming?

I actually have a few of these as pdfs but would get far more use out of them as ebook formats which seems to be offered here.

Also is there any value at all in the $15 tier given I'm probably only slightly interested in advancing my tcp/ip knowledge and maybe sys admin.

I recently got a Thinkpad and I wanted to use this as an opportunity to try out Linux. I'm torn between Debian, Ubuntu, and Fedora. Thoughts?

>>57656018
OP, there is already a thread you fucking retard: >>57652261

>>57656018
>tfw no pope friend to bless your new hardware

Is Funtoo better than Gentoo? It seems to have a nicer setup system

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>>57659644
Ask orthodoxes, they may bless your hardware

>>57657814
The core arch repository is comparatively small next to the big boys, off the top of my head i think its like 9000 packages next to fedora 25's 55,000

But ive never not found a package ive needed in the arch repo, that was in the fedora repo.

Arch is obviously a whole new animal when you consider the AUR which isn't necessarily about the raw amount of packages, but the obscurity of those packages, usually stuff that's hard/ annoying to install that the fedora maintainers for example wouldn't go near

>>57656018
>Upper cases
/triggered/

>>57659874
What are you, case sensitive?

>>57659579
Im a redhat shill and thus you should absolutely be running fedora workstation 25 RN

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What fun stuff does /fglt/ do with linux VPS's?

Im running a FreeIPA server on one, which allows me to use the same user accounts over my various linux machines, which i cant believe how useful this is.

I then sync home directories with syncthing. FreeIPA actually manages automount NFS shares, which would be fantastic in a local situation.

>>57659851
also fedora does a lot of package splitting which arch does not so i would expect the fedora repos to have alot more pckages than the arch repos

>>57659974
Thats true, package count is a useless metric anyway.

>>57659999
>>57659962
>>57659922
Give up, nobody wants to communitcate with gay ass tripfags. Also: filtered.

>>57660012
>communicate
>>57659922
>>57659962
>>57659999
some (you)s for you
also: nice quads

Any grub pros here?
I need to install gentoo on my windows ssd which already has an efi partition.
Just installed manjaro to test it and everything is fine, I can even boot directly into windows bypassing grub altogether.
All I did in the installer - made a root partition and mounted my efi partition as /boot/efi.
What command should I use to achieve the same result?
Would this be good?

grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot
Or should I add /efi to /boot?
haven't done this shit manually before.

>>57660048
add efi

>>57660063
are you sure? Will grub still install itself into /boot as well? I have a grub folder there.

>>57660048
create an "/boot/efi" directory and mount efi there

once installed it should look like.

"/boot/efi/EFI/grub"

>>57660066
why do cute tripfags always get the gets :3

>>57659906
Severely underrated post right here.

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Is my GPU dying?
I recently switched to the Nvidia proprietary drivers and didn't disable the framebuffer, as instructed by a warning in dmesg. Surely that cannot ruin my graphics card? I assume it's just coincidence. Can any other component cause this apart from the GPU?

>>57660066
I'm pretty sure grub was in /boot
efi had EFI in it, which had directories like Manjaro, Windows and some other shit

Sorry if this is only marginally related to GNU/Linux...
I set up a VPN connection on my router and it's working as far as I can tell:
> enable mobile data on phone (WiFi is off)
> connect to VPN from phone
> check public IP on phone
> check public IP on computer (internet connection via router)
> both IPs identical
If I'm reading the router settings correctly, my phone should have the local IPv4 address 192.168.178.201. The computer is 192.168.178.23.
I can ssh / sftp into my computer from the phone when the phone is connected to the LAN via WiFi, this is working as intended.
However, I can't ssh into the computer when the phone is only connected via VPN (WiFi off). Am I just misunderstanding how far the VPN tunnel goes or do I have to set something up differently?

>>57660407
if you have no issues running Xorg , check the card and motherboard's capacitors. power filtering caps can blow and the system will still boot

>>57660490
do you have port forwarding enabled?

>>57660517

X wouldn't start. I also tried the card on Windows and it starts, but says the GPU has an error and is using the fallback VGA driver.
I just found a post with someone who has the same dots and apparently it's a mobo problem. This is a bummer.

>>57660530
Ah, that might be it. Which ones would that be again?

Are nvidia open source drivers fine if I don't plan on doing any gaming?

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I took the leap from Windows to Gnome a month back, and I greatly enjoy it.

I've been learning the basics of the basics, the command line utilities, like grep, man, wget, navigating etc.


It's still all the bare rudiments though.
I want to learn more. Chiefly interested in productivity, keeping my files WELL-ORGANIZED, and cool command-line stuff/scripting in general.


Can /g/ provide me some resources so I can increase my skillz?

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I was kinda looking into getting something like i3 or awesome, does somebody tell me which is better or more usefull for someone with a thinkpad. Just kinda turned on by the idea not having to use the mouse anymore

>>57660624
tty is pretty good if you don't want to use a mouse

sdb1 /boot/efi vfat 
sdb5 / ext4

Does this fstab mean that /boot is just a directory on /?

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>>57660608
> Shell pasta:

The based GNU Bourne Again SHell:
https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/

The community driven BASH wiki:
http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/

The Grymoire - home for UNIX wizards:
http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/index.html

Greg's (also known as GreyCat's) wiki:
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls

SED and AWK; your new best friends:
http://www.pement.org/sed/sed1line.txt
http://www.pement.org/awk/awk1line.txt

Google's Shell Style Guide:
https://google.github.io/styleguide/shell.xml

The Linux Command Line - A Book By William Shotts:
http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php

Interesting, useful and dangerous one-liners:
http://www.commandlinefu.com/

Great online (and offline) linting tool:
http://www.shellcheck.net/

Know what you are doing:
http://explainshell.com/

>>57660608
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Gnome, is in fact, GNU/Linux/X11/Gnome, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU. Gnome is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Gnome, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Gnome, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Gnome is the Desktop Environment: the collection of programs in the system that make it usable for children. The Desktop Environment is not an essential part of a operating system, and useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Gnome is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system, the X-Window-System and the Linux kernel: the whole system is basically GNU/Linux/X11 with Gnome added, or GNU/Linux/X11/Gnome. All the so-called Gnome distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux/X11/Gnome!

why are there two threads?

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>>57660714
One is not enough. We need to defenestrate /g/ completly.

>>57660640
Requesting an answer on this one. Does anyone happen to know this info I'm looking for?

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Hey /g/, what's the best lightweight and user-friendly distro for daily use?

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>>57660767

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>>57660767
try bunsenlabs

>>57660767
The one I'm using.

>>57660767
the one his using >>57660844

>>57660767
The one this guy is referring to: >>57660850

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>>57660767

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Random files and folders in my $HOME are marked as executable (+777). I didn't manually set them to be. Does anybody have a clue why that could be?

Also, what should be the standard permissions for a user-created file? 664?

>>57660932
644 seems to be deafult on mine

How do I learn ssh?
Besides fucking around, any tutorials or books I can follow?

>>57660983
Thanks for the info.

>>57660933
I think I figured it out: new laptop, files and folders were backupped to an NTFS file system on an external HDD. I simply copied those files to /home. The permissions probably weren't changed. Damn. Don't make the same mistake I did, kids!

>>57660932

Did you transfer them from an NTFS partition (read: transferred from Windows)?

>>57661073
What is there to "learn" about it?

>>57661073
self-titled book i hear is a greatest hit

>>57661073
>ssh -p 22 user@ip address here
That's about all you need to know other than processes closing when you log out and needing to use nohup or screen to prevent this from happening.

>>57656018
Wololo

>>57660573
Can somebody please answer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQvXBXVB8SE MICROSOFT IS BEST OPEN SOURCE COMPANY.

Good thread,

>>57661073
There is nothing to learn.
ssh mylittlepony.com
- and you get a shell (or whatever is configured on the server)
read the manpage, this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Secure_Shell and this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSH_keys for more

>>57661461
Bad thread,

>>57661490
Bad post.

>>57661502
Good post.

So I'm steadily working my way toward switching to Linux. My plan is to eventually dual-boot, keeping Windows 10 around for games (since WineHQ says only some of my stuff works well in Wine).

But having to turn off my computer and boot into Windows just to play a game sounds like a real pain, so I was wondering if I can just load Steam up in Wine and play my games that way. If not, and if I really do need to go into Windows for my Windows games, how do games with Linux support generally run on Linux? Do they perform worse or better than the Windows version - or does it depend on the game? Should I just suck it up and boot into Windows for gaming?

Also (here's proof that I'm new to Linux), does ease of gaming vary from distro to distro? After some experimentation, I've decided that GNOME 3 is my favorite DE (yes, I know I'm in the minority), and I was told that Fedora is my best bet for a good GNOME 3 experience. But what about for gaming? Would I be better off going with Debian or Ubuntu GNOME?

modprobe -r acpi_cpufreq
says that it failed cause it was still in use.
Even if I blacklist it, it still loads.
I tried to compile it as a module but it must not have worked. Anyone know what options I need when compiling the kernel?

>>57661647
Just buy an SSD mate

>>57661760
What would this do for me?

>>57661770
you wouldn't think that booting into windows would be a pain. and everything just loads a lot faster.

>>57661784
Oh, that's what you mean. Problem is, I'm on a laptop. And the main reason that I consider booting into Windows a pain is that I would have to close my web browser, close everything else I was doing, and switch entirely to a different OS whenever I wanted to play a game. I'll suck it up if I have to, though.

>>57661802
Well, the process of exiting and then rebooting into linux would just be a lot faster if you had an ssd.
gaming in a vm is shit so you will have to do that anyway.
ubuntu gnome should be fine for your purposes. also look into manjaro or arch.

>>57661826
Manjaro and Arch are good for GNOME? I tried installing Arch a little while ago on a different laptop, but ran into a roadblock when I couldn't get the Wi-fi (said laptop doesn't have an Ethernet port) working. Also, I heard Manjaro doesn't have a working Japanese IME, which I need. Does Arch? My main laptop, the one I plan on using for dual-boot, does have an Ethernet port, so installing Arch might go better on it. Though I've heard that Arch is really high-maintenance, and you have to be really on top of things.

And just curious - why not Fedora or Debian? Is it just that Ubuntu GNOME is less hassle? Sorry about all these questions, but you have to start learning somewhere.

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>>57661647
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>57661910
any distro is good for gnome. it's just a DE.

any distro has a japanese IME, there are multiple programs which can provide this functionality. I think ibus-mozc is supposed to be very similar to google ime but be sure to rebind all instances of hankaku/zenkaku to alt ` or whatever you want to cycle between hiragana/direct input.
>I've heard that Arch is really high-maintenance, and you have to be really on top of things.
it isn't that troublesome maintenance wise to be honest.

i don't know much about fedora but i've heard it's not the best if you want to use proprietary drivers, which you pretty much have to in your case. you can just try out a bunch of distros in a vm and see which one you like the best. try out manjaro if you find arch to be "hard"
ubuntu is definitely less hassle than anything else i've mentioned though.

regarding 57662100
look at >>57661502

>>57662104
Okay, I think I get it now. My "test" laptop currently has Ubuntu GNOME on it, so I'll test Manjaro in a VM on it or something, since it isn't exactly easy to just "try" Arch.

>>57662110
he's correct tho

>>57662122
if it's a test laptop just install manjaro directly onto it. always test on hardware if you can.
>since it isn't exactly easy to just "try" Arch.
not really. you shouldn't have any trouble at all if you just follow the arch wiki.

at 57662125
refer to >>57661502

>>57662122
Also, completely unrelated problem - by all accounts, my keyboard layout should be "English (US)." Nothing else comes anywhere close to what my keyboard has, and it's what the "detect keyboard" feature of Ubuntu's installer gave me. It's a perfectly ordinary keyboard that looks exactly like any other American keyboard. And yet no matter what distro I try, the backslash/pipe key (located, of course, between Enter and Backspace) always gives me < and >. Every other key on the keyboard works as they should. Am I missing something? Is there a way to remap individual keys?

>>57662136
Yeah, that's what I did the first time. I couldn't get the Wi-fi connected. I guess I can always try again, though.

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What internet browser would you guys suggest for max battery life?

Ubuntu btw

>>57662198
compile firefox yourself with the useflag battery-optimize

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wget -e ROBOTS=OFF --user-agent="Mozilla" -nd -p -r -l 2 -Di.4cdn.org/h/ -A jpg,jpeg,gif http://www.4chan.org/h/

Can you get arrested for this?

>>57660767
>user-friendly
>lightweight
Probably Lubuntu.

I've only ever used Ubuntu based distros, but I decided to try the meme and install solus, problem is I don't know my way around the terminal. Can someone point me in the right direction?

>>57662226
>>57662226
no, but moot2 would probably send the police if you downloaded every image on the board. with as much as he cares about bandwidth

>>57662278
>I decided to try the meme and install solus, problem is I don't know my way around the terminal
is this bait

>>57662278
yes
write this in your terminal : sudo delete solus and install a better distro

>>57662226

wget -e robots=off -nd -rHDi.4cdn.org -ERs.jpg,html <url>

· golfed to 52 chars
· no clutter
· all media

>>57662316
Nice, forgot to use -D with -H argh

But is there a way to get only the i.4cdn.org of a single board?

Whenever I try to grab the images inside a thread with a recursion depth of 2 it goes ahead and downloads all the front page visible pics of all the boards

>>57662198
midori

>>57662460
>翠
>>>/jp/

>>57656018
Which video editor is more simple and efficient for linux or specifically for debian?

>>57662692
ffmpeg - the simple and effficient video editor for Debian GNU/Linux

>>57661647
>But having to turn off my computer and boot into Windows just to play a game sounds like a real pain
It isn't, rebooting should only take a few seconds, maybe a minute tops. The day has 1440 of those; use that time to have a stretch, do some pushups or take a piss.
>if I can just load Steam up in Wine and play my games that way
Steam runs in a virtual Windows-like environment through Wine and I think that extends to any games launched from it. However, the environment doesn't perfectly recreate Windows and thus, compatibility errors may arise. Performance may vary as well. The whole point of dual-booting is that it circumvents the imperfections of Wine's Windows emulation; if it was perfect, nobody would bother infesting their PC with Windows.
>how do games with Linux support generally run on Linux?
The same as games with Windows support: It depends on how good a job the devs did when they optimized the game. Often it doesn't really matter and at least CSS runs just as good on a GNU/Linux as on Windows, if not better. I can't speak for other games. In general: it depends.
>Should I just suck it up and boot into Windows for gaming?
Yes. I don't know about you but I like to dedicate a couple hours to gaming at once, rather than alternating between browsing / listening to music / watching videos / working, and playing games; then again I have a day job and don't have more than maybe 3-4 hours of free time at a time. And again, rebooting doesn't take too long.
>does ease of gaming vary from distro to distro?
I doubt it; certainly not if you're dual-booting.
>Debian or Ubuntu GNOME?
Whichever you like best. Debian's packages are said to be more outdated than the Ubuntu ones. Personally I haven't had issues with Ubuntu yet.

>>57662654
>翠
>being a hipster
>>>/r/anime

>>57662808
you wouldn't understand

>>57662841
using """"epic"""" """"rare"""" kanji on an english website is a sign of mental retardation

>>57662861
getting triggered by it is a sign of mental retardation

>>57662877
using the word "triggered" where it doesn't apply is a sign of severe mental and social retardation

>>57656018
someone explain that pic, it irritates me that I'm not getting it

>>57662920
>redundant that logic

>>57660012
Why do you feel the need to make a post telling them that you filtered them? Just filtering without telling them would essentially be a shadowban if enough people did it.

>>57662936
literally could not read your shitpost
try again in simpler terms for lesser minds such as myself

>>57662975
learn english

>>57662861
自殺しろ

>>57662989
but i'm already typing in it
>>57663007
epic
might wanna change that to something more rare and cool though like 自煞

>>57662924
Before systemd, you ran such a command to stop system demons that run in the background.

>>57662924
Bad nerd humor like "show me your TTYs".

>>57662924
In the background there are servers of a newly opened company in Poland.

In the foreground you can see a catholic priest blessing the serverroom with holy water.

A daemon (spelt this way) is a process that runs in the background rather than being under the direct control of the user all the time.
It's etymology traces to Maxwell's demon an imaginary being from a thought experiment that works in the background sorting molecules.

Catholic clergy (just like the clergy of other abrahamic religions) are often associated with exorcism which in layman terms are "banishing demons" and other negative spirits.


The command you see is a init command from UNIX initialization process (unironically a daemon too) that stops a background service called "daemon".

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>>57663061

>>57663080
thanks!

what is the difference between linux?

>>57663203
bout 3,5

I want to give gentoo a shot, but I only have the one laptop. I don't want it to be out fo commission entirely for 24 hours or whatever compiling all my shit, can I install gentoo but still have my old distro (ubuntu) up and usable at the same time?

>>57663203
Linus is a melon, Linux is for melons

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>>57663203
nonfree software

>>57663215
what cpu do you have?
chances are it won't be anywhere near 24 hours if it isn't total shit. do a test install in a vm though so you'll be familiar with the installation process.
nope. how do you think this would even be possible?

>>57663203
memes

I'm installing grub with UEFI from a non-UEFI livecd. It warns me about EFI variables not being available on this system. It copied everything fine though. Will it be okay when I just reboot? I have EFI enabled in my kernel.

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>>57663080
>since long ago vim user
>first day used spacemacs
>mfw
I'm switching, powerful program combined with vim keys is super-duper-hyper-awesome.
Too bad they use Unicode characters extensively and they don't have proper GUI, but it's fine as it is.

>>57663292
Oh, I didn't erase last number.
Didn't mean to reply, just a new post.

>>57663309
Answer this question as your punishment >>57663272

>>57663248
i7-2670QM

I have no idea so i thought i would ask. Now I know!

But idk, why can't you?I'm sure I've read about other distros that are compiled on a different computer and then installed, since the one actually receiving the install might have an absolutely rubbish CPU or whatever and would take weeks to compile it all itself.

>>57663328
I turn off UEFI at BIOS at all, lol.

>>57663272
No, I tried this once with the Gentoo minimal live cd, it didn't work. But, you don't have to reinstall everything to fix this, just get a live cd with UEFI support, then chroot into the system from that live cd and install grub. Look the the install alternative gentoo wiki page on how to chroot from non-gentoo install medium.

>>57663367
Yeah I'm installing gentoo right now. Thanks.

>>57663338
You'll be fine. Shouldn't take you long with your processor. Just do shit on your phone or something while it's compiling

I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 with Mate DE now. Is there any point in replacing it with simply Ubuntu Mate? I feel like my current setup is a bit patchwork-y, but I still need Ubuntu or Debian for full ROS support.

>>57663416
but all my anime is on my laptop

>>57663459
transfer the anime to your phone and watch them that way
or watch anime ops on youtube but you'll need a lot of them.

>>57663444
>Is there any point in replacing it with simply Ubuntu Mate?
Well, that's entirely up to you to decide really.

What you now have is a system with 2 separate sets of graphical tools for the desktop one of which is of little to no use to you.
Of course having an unused software installed does not slow your system at all but I'm not sure if Unity and MATE use exactly the same background services for their desktops.

If you installed Ubuntu with a separate /home partition (I still don't know why linux installers do not put a huge THIS IS THE RECOMMENDED OPTION writing during the installation process) replacing it with ubuntu mate should take very little time and all you'd have to do after you're done is reinstall the software you had before (separate and untouched /home allows for all your files and software configurations file to stay where they should be).


Are you sure you're dedicated to mate though?
I've ditched it recently due to their wonky mix-n-match of gtk2/gtk3, the previous versions worked a lot better imho. And definitely were faster.

>>57663367
Nice. It worked.
I assume I wouldn't need to do anything similar to do grub-mkconfig from my working gentoo when I update something?

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>>57663476
>watching anime on my phone

you have no idea who you are dealing with

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>>57662924
Better version here.

Go on gentoo =D

do a gentoo! >u<

>>57663513
I'm not really set on Mate, no. I've tried to experiment with a few different DEs after I realized that was actually possible, and Mate is the one I've liked best so far. I'm also tempted to try the Ubuntu minimal CD, which apparently has an option to install Ubuntu Mate.

Would you mind suggesting some alternatives?

Separate home partition is obvious now that you mention it. Might wipe everything and set it up like that so I don't have to worry about not having it in the future.

Which distro is it easiest to get Doom working on?

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>>57664216
>I'm not really set on Mate
Then don't wipe it just yet, make sure you're comfortable with MATE before you actually do it, otherwise it would be a waste of time.

>Would you mind suggesting some alternatives?
well there's always XFCE, Gnome3 (and it's derivative - Cinnamon), KDE, enlightenment and so on and so forth.

If you like what MATE did with Gnome (mate is a fork/continuation of gnome 2 when it was discontinued in favour of gnome3) maybe try Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) as well, which is a fork/continuation of KDE 3.5. If you dig the mid-2000 vista aesthetics you should like it.

Personally I use XFCE, but it's hardly a recommendation, use it only because it's "not in your face" and the debian version is old enough to still use gtk2 components (newer version of XFCE suffer from the same fate as MATE - mixup of gtk2/gtk3 shit), which in return makes it a tad more responsive.

>Might wipe everything and set it up like that so I don't have to worry about not having it in the future.
Yeah, it's always a good idea. It helps you if youre distrohopping and you're not sure if you're set on te distro. Also helps if you want a clean OS after a fuckup in which reinstalling a clean copy is often easier and faster than cleaning up the mess.

>>57664377
all debian-based distros (buntu, mint and so forth) have chocolate-doom in their repositories.

fedora has chocolate doom in rpmfusion repositories (which you should already have if you run fedora).

just install it via graphical package managment software and download the game .WADs (which cannot be legally shipped with any doom engine clone)

Why use UEFI over legacy if you arn't going to use secure boot?

>>57664430
You shouldn't use UEFI if you can get away with it at all.

bios was perfectly fine

>>57664403
How about source ports? Are those viable?

>>57664464
*other source ports

>>57664464
zdoom works too.

>>57664378
I tried Cinnamon for a while and I liked parts of it, especially that it puts everything on one bar rather than the split bars of Mate (which are okay, but not as nice in my opinion). Both are simple and fairly elegant, which I value a lot. I have no Vista nostalgia. I used XFCE for a while too (and I put it on my mom's shitty laptop with Xubuntu one), but it looks ugly to me. Could probably be fixed by changing themes, I suppose.

>>57664595
>I tried Cinnamon for a while and I liked parts of it, especially that it puts everything on one bar rather than the split bars of Mate (which are okay, but not as nice in my opinion)
Buddy you can put MATE's two panels into one easily.

Just move the windows/workspaces applet to the upper panel and delete the lower one.

>>57664595
>>57664626
Hell, you don't even have to do it manually

ubuntu has a dedicated tool for that, mate-tweak

>>57664377
zdoom works best (gzdoom for gl)
zdoom -iwad doom.wad -file brutaldoom.pk3
go

what's the best distro for beginners?

what's the best distro for experts?

>>57665056
gentoo

>>57665067
ubuntu

>>57665056
I'd recommend either Linux Mint or Ubuntu (Ubuntu is more beginner friendly, IMHO).

>>57665067
I don't know, man, you're the expert, fucking use what suits your expert needs what about that

>>57665108
>recommending linux mint

>>57665332
It's user friendly, not as much as Ubuntu IMO, but user friendly.

>>57665396
It's insecure trash.

>>57665424
They fixed their GPG problem, but anything based on Ubuntu is insecure and/or buggy, they used many patches and software not completely tested. Still user friendly.

>>57665456
"They" is basically just Clem and Mint didn't fix anything, because the whole idea of "security vs stability" is fundamentally wrong. Check this list: https://github.com/linuxmint/mintupdate/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintUpdate/rules
packages marked with 4 and 5 are considered "dangerous" and woun't get any updates.

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>>57664626
Shit. Thanks. All good now.

>>57665546
>don't like what I don't like!!!11

>>57665546
That doesn't contradict what I said, it's still user friendly.

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Is there a distro that is lightweight by default (like debian, which you can get without a DE/WM or any bullshit preinstalled) but has more up to date repositories?

And also isn't autistic to setup like Arch. It doesn't teach you shit about how Linux works, it just has a frustrating install process.

>>57665613
beginner-friendly != user-friendly

>>57665653
lel, that's even better, cause Linux Mint is beginner friendly. Again, I'd rather use Ubuntu, but Linux Mint isn't exactly difficult.

>>57665637
debian sid maybe.

>>57656018
this may sound like a fucking retarded question but is there such a linux distro with less requirement of command prompt? been wanting to try it for some time now. i guess what im asking for is linux for retards

>>57665637
ubuntu server

>>57665613
At the point when the user starts installing PPA packages and tries to update his kernel, or other important programs, it will break and then we have the next Mint user with a broken system, asking for help.

>>57665685
ubuntu

>>57665685
Ubuntu is your choice, then. When they tell you to add a repository using le terminal, you can do it through the Software & Upgrades GUI program, for example.

>>57665690
And as I said, I prefer Ubuntu for this and other reasons, like the better support for proprietary peripherals.

>>57665613
I don't think it's user friendly, newcomers should have a secure system out of the box and it should be stable enough so they can update their shit without being afraid of breaking something.
But well, it's better than Windows, so better Mint than nothing.

>>57665709
>>57665730
cheers anons will look it up

>>57665743
Yeah, I mean, Windows is considered user friendly, so I was using that as a standard.

>>57665637
>but has more up to date repositories?
give me 3 packages that gave you problems because they lacked a functionality that was added in a version more recent than sjwbian's repos

>>57665771
LibreOffice could be one, IIRC they don't have a really modern version. Not the guy asking, though

>>57665637
Yeah, Debian. You just need to edit your sources.list and use unstable repos, upgrade and there is your rolling Debian.

>>57665771
> sjwbian

Oh good, you're one of those retards.

>>57665793
i use sjwbian

just installed fedora 25. Tried to edit files but nautilus isnt working right. when i called it w/ sudo i got this
>No protocol specified
>Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
>(nautilus:4629): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0

>>57666063
If you need to edit files with sudo, you should use sudo nano, sudo vi, sudo vim, sudo gedit, etc

>>57666167
Actually

sudoedit file

>>57666228
Included in the etc, but thank you

>>57666228
pretty underused tbqh because sudoedit works with temp files and uses the user's configs instead of root's which is pretty comfy

thanks you guys!

You're welcome.

>>57664377

Debian, ubunu gnome edition, or Linux Mint.

Please help me what is the best distro lightweight distro that doesnt include any nonfree software. Does #! Include nonfree software?

>>57666535
nice meme

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>>57666566

>>57666575
It has it in the default repos and has easy gooey to install.

I do not include just regular ubuntu becasue unity does not respect your freedom and connects to the internet without your concent (a form of rape)

>>57666566
#! isn't developed anymore, it's also just debian with openbox, so I suggest to get that. debian comes without nonfree software, but has a repo with nonfree stuff if you really need it.

>>57666625
Ok thanks

>>57666535
If it works in Ubuntu GNOME edition it works in any edition that is supported somehow by Canonical or that is completely based on vanilla Ubuntu kek

>>57666640
Unity version does not respect user's freedom by connecting their search queries to the internet without their explicit consent (a form of rape)

I took a linux class this semester and I have a final paper that I need to write about a "topic of current interest related to Linux", what are some cool things to research for this paper?

>>57666689
Er... web search has been deactivated by default since several releases already, and Doom will still work if it works in Ubuntu GNOME edition, same with Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu or Ubuntu MATE edition, or Ubuntu Studio, or most likely Ubuntu Kylyn

>>57666706
cowsay

>>57666711
if it works on one distribution, it works on all distributions, all distributions are the same

>>57660746
Telling from that, yes.

>>57666756
Yes, pretty much, I was thinking about some proprietary software that some distributions may not have, but I don't think that
>Doom
will need anything that special

>>57666706
Write a paper where you explain why your class should be called GNU/Linux instead of Linux. https://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.en.html

>>57666782
Nah, you just need the wad files, not even the game itself, the engine or anything.

>>57666793
But anon, if the class is about Linux and not GNU, it should be called Linux. Not all Linux uses GNU, and Linux can exist without GNU.

>>57666793
Seconded

>>57666812
Gnope

>>57666805
Then any GNU/Linux distro should be fine, yes

>>57666838
But yes

>>57666706
There's nothing cool about Linux. It's reimplementation of over 40 years old Unix.
There are some interesting things, if you research kernel internals, but Linux itself is not innovative. It's what freetards do best –create clones of other software.

>>57666866
>linux
>freetards
pick one

HELP

Is it possible to install Debian in such a way that it lives on a usb flash drive and the installation can be taken from one computer to another with persistence?

>>57666879
Holy shit nigger, I dare you, the next time you yell HELP and don't have rm -rf'd anything or a kernel panic I'll tell your mom

>>57666913
It is n acronym

Hello everyone, listen please

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>>57666962
touché

I've been trying distros out in VirtualBox and they always run in software rendering mode. I have 3D rendering ticketed in the VM settings....wat do?

>>57666994
>you will never know if it does a full spin or not

>>57660573
You know you can compare by yourself right ?
But yeah, if you're talking about nouveau drivers then it's fine.

I have three computers. How do I keep my home files synchronized between them?

>>57662692
Do a quick search before asking /g/, you know it's the worst place to ask anything anyway.
I'd say kdenlive but it's pretty big, otherwise you could use Openshot.

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>>57667228

convert <(curl -s https://i.4cdn.org/g/1480018199978.gif) - | montage - -background none out.png

Now you know.

When I try to boot up Arch I get an error message that read:
"Error loading \vmlinuz-linux: Volume Corrupt"
I read that it's becasue Windows fast startup corrupted the vmlinuz-linux. Can I fix this without having to reinstall my whole system?

The following packages will be REMOVED:
  iptables task-desktop task-xfce-desktop xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-input-all
  xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-libinput xserver-xorg-input-mouse
  xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse xserver-xorg-input-wacom
  xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu xserver-xorg-video-ati
  xserver-xorg-video-cirrus xserver-xorg-video-fbdev xserver-xorg-video-intel
  xserver-xorg-video-mach64 xserver-xorg-video-mga xserver-xorg-video-neomagic
  xserver-xorg-video-nouveau xserver-xorg-video-openchrome xserver-xorg-video-qxl
  xserver-xorg-video-r128 xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-savage
  xserver-xorg-video-sisusb xserver-xorg-video-tdfx xserver-xorg-video-trident
  xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-vmware

am i being bamboozled

>>57667362
>When I try to boot up Arch I get an error message
That's normal.

                       ----------
                      /          \
                     /    REST    \
                    /      IN      \
                   /     PEACE      \
                  /                  \
                  |       xxx        |
                  |     1818 Au      |
                  |   killed by a    |
                  |  kitten, while   |
                  |     helpless     |
                  |                  |
                  |       2016       |
                 *|     *  *  *      | *
        _________)/\\_//(\/(/\)/\//\/|_)_______


Goodbye xxx the Healer...

You died in The Dungeons of Doom on dungeon level 4 with 698 points,
and 1818 pieces of gold, after 2986 moves.
You were level 4 with a maximum of 28 hit points when you died.

JUST

>>57667362
>Can I fix this without having to reinstall my whole system?
yes

>>57660700
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as KDE, is in fact, Plasma/KDE, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Plasma plus KDE. KDE is not a desktop environment unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Plasma desktop environment made useful by the K corelibs, shell utilities and vital desktop environment components comprising a full desktop environment as defined by Xorg.

Many computer users run a modified version of the Plasma desktop environment every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Plasma which is widely used today is often called “KDE”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Plasma desktop environment, developed by the Plasma Project. There really is a KDE, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the desktop environment they use.

KDE is the desktop environment manager: the program in the desktop environment that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The desktop environment manager is an essential part of a desktop environment, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete desktop environment. KDE is normally used in combination with the Plasma desktop environment: the whole desktop is basically Plasma with KDE added, or Plasma/KDE. All the so-called “KDE” distributions are really distributions of Plasma/KDE.

ls|grep [search] or find [search] ?

>>57667699
locate
also
>ls|grep
dude, use globs:
ls porn/traps_*.mkv

>>57661647
debian is very easy to use as a beginner, id argue that it is better than ubuntu because ubuntu sticks you in a babied normie system like windows/osx where debian somewhat forces you to start learning about gnu/linux

dualbooting with windows is pretty easy, debian defaults with grub (i think) so install os-prober and run

grub-mkconfig -o *yourgrubconfigfile*

then in your bios set your OS boot manager to load your debian one instead of your windows one, and when you restart your pc you will be loaded into the debian grub menu and you can select debian or windows from there.

i do all my gaming on windows, i dont even worry about wine since usually when i boot into linux i do it becuase im not playing any games

on your windows partition i wouldnt worry about the botnet meme, because google IS the best search engine and you probably will want gaming-related results when you're on windows anyway.

t. multiboot arch linux + windows 10 + debian

>>57667699
You don't

ls | grep

. Ever. Maybe

ls -la | grep

if you just want to see whether your file is in there, but even then, don't. Use find, or globbing depending on what you want to do.

Help

I'm running i3 on arch and it randomly stops accepting commands and I can't exit

Wtf is happening?

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which RMS approved distro is the best?
trisquel seems to be the least retardef

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>>57667857
have you tried turning it off and back on again?

>>57661910
>Though I've heard that Arch is really high-maintenance, and you have to be really on top of things.
Arch is only high-maintenance if you want it to be, just like any other distro. Once you get it installed, you should be good to go, just run

pacman -Syyu

once in a while.

If you are a GNU/Linux baby I would not recommend Arch first, but if you want to tread in deeper waters later down the line, Arch is great. Probably ~40% of the people on /g/ use Arch, for good reason.

>install gentoo

>>57667363
pls help, I'm using debian sid with xfce as a DE if it helps at all. Or where could I check if this should actually be happening? If I search for the packages I just get information on them.

>>57666812
>Linux can exist without GNU.
actually no, compile it and you will know why.
>But anon, if the class is about Linux and not GNU, it should be called Linux
sure if it is a kernel programming class
>>57667915
parabola, guixsd and trisquel are decent.
>>57667857
i am using arch if that matters.

>>57667915
RMS is actually using Trisquel. https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html

>>57667918
>Probably ~40% of the people on /g/ use Arch, for good reason.
this is wrong. all polls that happened say otherwise.
>>57667927
apt-listbugs would have told you.
just hold those back until it is fixed. aptitude would have helped.

>>57667927
What do you expect us to do if you just throw a list at our faces?

>>57667962
I bet you can compile it with LLVM/Clang. And it can be about just Linux, not necessarily programming it.

>>57667927
what command r u running dumass

>>57667997
Thank you, I'll check that out

>>57668005
>>57668020
apt full-upgrade, sorry I should have included it. I'll just run regular apt upgrade for now.

>>57668007
>>I bet you can compile it with LLVM/Clang
actually no.
if it is not about programming, monolithic kernel class would be pretty boring after a month.

>>57667915
Parabola is like a freed Arch
Trisquel is like a freed Ubuntu
(haven't tried others from the list)
Being a freetard myself, I prefer Debian, which isn't listed, but also comes completly free.

>>57667997
>ofcourse, everone uses kevinn- i mean solus
>its the best!

>>57668036
Hey, man, nobody said the class was funny or interesting

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>>57667915

>>57665637
>gentoo
why does the setup process matter? you only have to install arch once

>>57667439
filthy casuals....

>>57667917
yeah it still does this

>>57667374
kek

>>57668120
I'm an absolute newbie, it was my second ever character.
>>>/vg/161022154

>>57660700
> GNU/Linux/X11/Gnome

I though it was GNU/Linux/systemd/Gnome ?

Besides that, X11 can be replaced by Wayland

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Friendly reminder to join our /wg/ thread >>>/wg/6767536

>>57668207
gnome is still part of GNU
stallman initially wanted to call it LiGNUx so linux, gnu and xorg are included.

>>57667838
Why bother having both Debian and Arch?

>>57667918
What about the whole "pacman updates always break things" meme?

>>57667918
>Probably ~40% of the people on /g/ use Arch, for good reason.
90% of /g/ is using windows. Did you ever check the catalog?

>>57668264
Gnome may be part of GNU, but X11 is not.
Linux neither.

Stallman wanted Hurd instead of Linux. We're still waiting.

>>57668426
Noone is still waiting. Its recognized by the fsf as only being developed out of personal interest by a small few

complete noob here, do I need DE to access things like system settings (where I change mouse sens and all the other stuffs) or is there some other way to reach them ? (other apps?)

>>57668607
it would be pretty cool if they finish it
mico > mono

>>57668647
You can reach everything via cli, but if you're complete new, use a DE.

>>57668650
+r

Is there anything like cronjobs, but for a non repeating, single task?

>>57668426
>Stallman wanted Hurd instead of Linux. We're still waiting.
The idea was ditched in favour of Linux-libre

>>57668826
yeah a command

jokes aside, could you elaborate?

>>57668826
man at

if vi/vim use one hand to move around how can it be ergonomic, wouldnt it be smarter just do use D and F for horizontal movement and J and K for vertical since your fingers should be resting there anyway?

I cannot for the life of me understand why you want to use the ring and pinky finger more than you actualy need to but then again I hunt and peck with index and middle on the reg

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>>57668919

>>57668915
that's what i was looking for, thx.
>>57668867
just doing a single task once at a certain time, eg redirect certain domain through etc/hosts for one day.

awesome, openbox or i3?

>>57669049
bspwm

>>57659579
You'll probably be okay with whatever you choose. There's a lot of similarities and you can always switch later if you run into issues. Take your time learning the CLI and trying out varies desktop environments and window managers.

>>57669049
I've been using i3 for a couple weeks now coming from XFCE and there's nothing I'm missing.

>>57661073
You pretty much just need to know the open port, and ip or hostname. Beyond that you'll probably just look over the man page for edge cases like using X11 forwarding or setting up a socks proxy.

Other things that rely on ssh have pretty much the same syntax also. So, rsync, sftp, sshfs, etc.

>>57661784
I hate this meme. It's not about the time it takes. It's about stopping all your stuff you're doing just to reboot and do something else.

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>>57656018
>The power of outdated faggotry compels you...
>The power of outdated faggotry compels you...

How debugging worked when Fortran was king...

whats the point of gksudo? :3

want to run xubuntu with w7 VM, how large the ssd should be?

Is it possible for me to run a program in ubuntu that came zipped and install all unmet depndencies as they come along. Or is there just no such program yet and I have to fetch the libs one by one?

>>57670060
250 is where you're good to go. Had a 100 gig ssd with dual boot and had to be careful where to install anything.

>>57657814
Arch without the AUR is anemic and sickly. But with the AUR and yaourt automated builder your software choices are only slightly short of the debian repositories.

Semi-related to Linux: is the "Ubuntu modifications" extension built into Firefox something that's particularly worth having activated?

I'm trying to figure out why FF on the Neon side of my laptop is slow as shit, while the same version number on the W7 side is nice and fast. I doubt this extension is the culprit, but I figured I'd ask.

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>linux
>apple OS
>relevant, competitive enterprise grade software
You can only pick ONE (1)

>>57656413
GNU/Linux

What are the advantages of using zsh instead of bash?

>>57670914
some neckbeard will suck your dick

>>57670914
sry i apologize i didnt see the thread this tab was.

there are many benefits, but the use of them must suit the user. i recommend reading the dev literature and seeing if the mantra agrees with you

>he doesn't use fish instead of bash

lmaoing at ur life

>>57671040
wtf is this hippy shell bullshit

i wont even be friendly i use bash 18/6 and this shell looks like retard connection crossroads

>>57671073
Its friendly

>>57671040
>using your shell for scripting
>expecting fish to be available on production machines

lmaoing at your portability

idiots on this board i swear

>>57671040
Come back when fish is POSIX compatible.

>>57671116
>Mom, look, I know how to enter ls

Do things break with updates in gentoo as often as they do with arch?

>>57671379
No. Gentoo is one of the more stable distros

>>57671358
that's why powerusers use zsh

>>57671415
>guys, zsh is so much better, look at my colored PS1!!!!

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>>57671415
>I'm on Arch Linux, btw.