Any software developers from Finland here? I have a job offer

i'd ask for 4k and then chip away

>>57645968
Half goes to taxes anyway sooo

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>>57645968
Pretty much depends on your skills and your position in the development team
>>57646000
completely false
https://www.vero.fi/fi-FI/Syventavat_veroohjeet/Henkiloasiakkaan_tuloverotus/Valtion_tuloveroasteikko_2016

>>57646439
Well I'm a junior android dev. The research I've done shows the median entry level salary is 3600. I'll probably just do what

>>57645993

says

Lol are you serious? Yes that's too much!

You would have to be an experienced/senior developed to make that kind of money...

>>57645968
Average monthly salary for software developper
in Funland is 3600 €
Source https://tyopaikat.oikotie.fi/palkkavertailu/Ohjelmistosuunnittelija

That means, I doubt you get that much. Unless you have long (5-10y) work experience.

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I am a Nigerian game developer working in Finland. What would you like to know?

It's a pretty nice country compared to the UK and America. Whatever salary you get will be good considering all the advantages you get while living in Finland like hot women, cheap health care, cheap trips to Sweden/Estonia on the weekends, personal safety at all times of day and high quality social services.

>>57645968
BENIS :DDDDDDDD

>>57646588
Btw. After taxes you are looking at about 2500 € per month.

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>>57646591
>finnish women
>finnish healthcare
>mfw
t: finn

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Are Finns paid by the government to just breathe?

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>>57646681
yes, I live on neetbux because I'm too lazy and incompetent for any real work

>>57646681
mfw free university and receiving 500€ monthly for free

>>57646699
>>57646702
So why does Genghis in OP wanna get paid so much for work?

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>>57646676
>not appreciating our women

>>57646703
because taxes will be like 50% to fund my health

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>>57645968
This guy asking about Memeland

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>he unironically wants to move to finland

>>57646729

>>>/pol/

>>57646729
I thought Finland was nice, no?

>>57646709
What the fuck is that Chinese
T. Chinese

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>>57646721
leave

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>>57646778
>finland
>nice

>>57646778
Yes, but Estonia is in every way a better version of Finland.

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>>57645968
You should fear flying into those lands. The Swedes ventured to greedily and too deep. You know what they awoke in Tavast Land. The Spurdo. And The Spärde.

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>>57646814
This is false in false in every aspect.

Earn 4000€, take home just 2500€. Then find out that rent near Helsinki center costs 1500€ for a single bedroom apartment. Cry at first, then go online to brag about "muh level of living"

tl;dr; It will be VERY hard to live with that salary if you're alone and prefer to live alone. Affording your own apartment will be hard.

>>57646729
>
>>>/pol/

>>57646856
>Then find out that rent near Helsinki center costs 1500€ for a single bedroom apartment.
SO PRICEY! That is a middle-class income over in SEA!

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>>57646879
>>57646762
/pol/ was ruined back when they introduced flags and it became /int/ 2.0, why would I go there?

>>57646856
Who wants to live In central Helsinki? Just get new house from outside highway 3. Or apartment somewhere along subway routes.

>>57646950
I know I would but can't justify the costs of living.

>>57646950
Because some people value their time and are not willing to spend a huge portion of their lives commuting?

An hour's commute(door-to-door) in one direction, which is considered normal in most Euroopean cities, means wasting 2 hours a day, 42 hours a month and 504 hours a year. That's 21 days or a full working month wasted. There is no way to get this time back, get reimbursed for it or do anything productive. It's just waste. Waste of your own life.

>>57646979
Do they have trains or busses in Finland? So you can read or nap?

>>57646979
Well gees. Then don't live and work in Helsinki. Why do they even have a fish market at the centermost part of the city?

>>57646892
That's why most helsinki dwellers live near the metro lines, the bus lines are also decent, have to wait 20 minutes for a bus at worst.

>2016
>living in Suomalia

>>57646892
Hey, are you living in SEA now?


Also, Finnish language is a real challenge.

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>>57646814
>Yes, but Estonia is in every way a better version of Finland.

Only in the fant sea of faggots with AIDS fetishes

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3700€ lmao

2400€ at most, thats 1700€ after taxes

1000€ on rent

400€ on food


Youll have 50€ saved at the end of the month

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Can you get a job in Finland, if you don't speak a single word of finnish?

>>57647416
no, but you can apply for asylum and receive free welfare money for the rest of your life if you're black and/or muslim

>>57647433
>no
why?
they don't speak english?

>>57647465

Nearly every monkey job says you must know finnish

This is to stop darkies from applying, not that they would work anyways

>>57647465
As far as I know, their English is as good as their Japanese cousins.

>>57646856

1500€ is definitely on the higher end. I live close to central Helsinki in a 30m2 single and my rent is 600€.

Living in Helsinki is really not that expensive.

>>57647416
Provided if your english is good, you'll survive with that

Nearly any place around capital knows atleast a bit of english

>>57647487

My espoo house is 450k, its ok my pappa betalar lmao

>>57646702
>only 500€
I get 1000€ in Sweden.

>>57647523
wow

>>57645968
just take whatever they give you, fucks sake in poland entry level programmer gets 1500PLN-2000PLN which is around 350-450 euro a month

>>57647523
I get 2000€ in Sweden.

>>57647548
>€
>sweden

>>57647548
I get 4000€ in Norway.

>>57647570
Not him, but would you rather have us use SEK which isn't as relatable to other currencies as the euro?

>>57647416
Yes but your options will be limited.

>>57647579
I get 7499€ in Denmark.

>>57647588
yes, you subhuman mixing pool

>>57647637
I get 10000€ in Iceland

>>57647666
I get 12999€ in Åland.

>>57647683
I get 14999,99€ in Svalbard.

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>>57647698
I get 17000€ in Japan.

>>57647683
I get 15230€ in norway

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>>57646992

>>57647737
I get 19999€ in DPRK.

>>57647748
I get 29999€ in China

>>57647416
vittu, perkele and saatana is all you need to know

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>>57645968
Finnish women are cute

>>57647768
I get 30000€ in South Korea.

>>57647798
I get 30001€ in North Korea

>>57646506
t. underpaid senior dev

>>57646992
>read
yes
>nap
no, we have nignogs

>>57647761
I get 385.000 for doing nothing in Austria.

I don't know why everybody refers to me as "president" though...

>>57647897
Isn't Finland white?

>>57647523
Students only get 500€, but if you just NEET you get 1000€+. Such is life in utopia.

>>57647907
Same here but in Brazil, it's strange

>>57647897
I nap in bus everyday, enjoy your Helsinki.

>>57647925
Besides the capital, yes.

>>57646856
that feel when all my friends live in the center or near the center of helsinki in single bedroom apartments for 600-1000 euros. Learn to rent shithead

>>57647979
>single bedroom apartments for 600-1000 euros

Impossible to find

t. Knower

>>57647782
She is turkish tho

>tfw 5km from Helsinki city center and rent <200€

>>57648013
She is? woops
Someone post Finnish girls, I'm sure they are cute too

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>>57648050

>>57645968
>3700EUR
I make more than that on my part time (25 hours/week) student job as a fucking supporter.


Greetings from Switzerland, poorfag.

>>57648066

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Finland&country2=Switzerland&city1=Helsinki&city2=Geneva

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>>57648050

>>57646588
>Average monthly salary for software developper
in Funland is 3600 €
Voi herranen aika. Is this for real? Meanwhile the average starting wage for developers in Stockholm is 30000sek = 3500€ , in Norway people are making around 6000€ as normal programmers.

>>57648114
Average starting wage for mech eng. is 2200€.

>>57647523
>I get 1000€ in Sweden.
You dumb fuck, the majority of that money is a loan

>>57648127
Im making 2000€ at my summer job without any education...

>>57648114
All of those statements are false. Also, 3500EUR is not equal to 35k kr. learn to forex dumbfuck

>>57647782

Nice roachboy

>>57648647
>wtf is a roacjboy
>search it
>front page full of reddit
You have to go back.

>>57649518

No, you should go back, turkroach

>Entry level
>3700€
Yes, that would be far too much to ask.
Your salaray is probably going to be under 3k, wouldn't be surprised if you were paid 2.5k starting in a job like this.
Then you're going to take home 1700€ and when you take the rent out of it, you're looking at 600€ a month to play with.
So unless you're willing to live very modest lifestyle, I seriously wouldn't recommend coming here.
Go to Sweden or Norway instead.

>>57649733
I live in Sweden atm and this place makes me want to kill myself. Taxes are even higher here, so I don't see how it could be any worse.

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>>57647338
>Only in the fant sea of faggots with AIDS fetishes
Even Russians know Narva is shit.

>>57647478
Then they will die or go home.

>>57648050
pic

>>57649784
kek

>>57649886
This is the average girl? Well, at least they are not niggers.

>>57650020
it's not

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>>57650020

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>>57650082

>>57647523
You are getting ~300€, you are loaning ~700€.
The Finns get 500€.

>>57648013
>"""she"""

>>57645968

>Would asking for 3700EUR be too much?

Yes.

> Norway people are making around 6000€ as normal programmers

No.

>>57650302
>Norway people are making around 6000€ as normal programmers
Yes, just take a look at reddit or hackernews

Dont know about Finland but Im getting 2000€ in Spain in my first job. Southern Europe is cheaper though.

1400 after taxes. I pay 550€ for rent w/g/e/i inc, and save about 500€ a month

>>57645968
>shit weather
>retarded architecture
Just move to the USA, the only country that matters in pretty much any industry, especially IT.

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>>57650439
never stepping foot in the u.s

>>57646506
>44k Euro salary
>Senior dev
I feel bad for you

>>57650439
>USA
>ever
enjoy commuting 30 minutes to work

>>57650439
Youre right, the US is the best for a software developer. In there we're really treated as we deserve, here we barely make more than other engineers.

However, immigration to the US is fucked up, the way it works is with a literal lottery that puts everyone on the same level, and europeans are fucked since theres a massive amount of pajeets and chinks.

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>>57646681
>>57646699
>tfw your best bro who you built up dreams with becomes a lazy fucker who lives off of neetbux and cries about every difficult thing

Now who am I supposed to do cool shit with

>>57650498
Learn to drive, pussy bitch.

>>57647416
Yes, if you speak good english
But to show your employers your serious you should also apply for finnish lessons

>>57650524
Wut? I have driving all my life. Ditched my car when i moved to the city though

>>57650498
>Leave for work at 7am
>Ride the rails for 15 minutes while eating a bagel/reading a book/working
>Spend another 5 minutes walking to the building
>Work for 4 hours, take a leisurely hour or two long lunch
>Work for another 3-5 hours
>Ride the rails home, unwind with your book/whatever
>Get home, enjoy benefits of double the salary of your euro counterparts and keeping 70-85% of it instead of only 40%

>>57650542
>>Leave for work at 7am
>>Ride the rails for 15 minutes while eating a bagel/reading a book/working
>>Spend another 5 minutes walking to the building
>>Work for 4 hours, take a leisurely hour or two long lunch
>>Work for another 3-5 hours
>>Ride the rails home, unwind with your book/whatever
>>Get home, enjoy benefits of double the salary of your euro counterparts and keeping 70-85% of it instead of only 40%
Thank you for describing Europe. Not many americans realize they only keep about 40% of their wage after paying for healthcare and education

>>57650506
Become better than pajeets and chinks, eventually your salary will go up and pretty much even out with the natives. USA is much better because you don't need to learn some dumb ass obscure language like finnish or swedish, even though I hear they understand english well, but everything is still in their native tongue.

>>57650439
>the only country that matters in pretty much any industry
Except no, the only important thing you have is NASA and even then you give it the lowest possible budget while blowing everything else on military.
You literally import everything from other countries, you dingus.

>>57650439
>he never contributed with anything himself so he has to rely on the fame of other people

>>57650559
Not many europeans realize they only keep about 40% of their wage after paying taxes and the mandatory white guilt fee to the refugees.
>>57650569
>NASA
>important
Nope. Pretty much all tech companies were found in the US and are headquartered there, try again.

>>57650600
>he says while posting on a website running a FINNISH OS

>>57650607
>he says while using the TCP/IP stack devised at a US university

>>57650600
>NASA
>the only agency that has advanced your country in anyway for a hundred years
>not important

>>57650562
What the fuck are you talking about man.

If I go, my salary will be even out with the natives since the moment I step foot there, Im not going to be the cheap kind of immigrant. Also Im already better than the vast majority of pajeets and chinks but guess what that doesnt give me priority.

>>57650623
>british engineering*

>>57650559
>40% of their wage after paying for healthcare and education
I pay $90 a month for my insurance and my degree cost me $25,000 because I'm not a retard and don't go out of state "for the experience".
I paid off every dime of my loan in the first four months of getting a job.

>>57650498
I'm just east of Columbus Ohio and have a 1.4 mile drive to work. Not everyone works in the city.

>>57646814
At least in terms of gun laws.

>>57650625
>the only agency that has advanced your country in anyway for a hundred years
No it didn't, all it does is blowing money on useless projects like Curiosity. Literally nobody benefits from some hunk of metal being somewhere out there in space, but people benefit from products developed at companies like Apple, Microsoft, AMD, Intel etc.

>>57650643
The Internet protocol suite is the conceptual model and set of communications protocols used on the Internet and similar computer networks. It is commonly known as TCP/IP because the most commonly-used protocols in the suite are Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) and Internet Protocol (IP). It is occasionally known as the Department of Defense (DoD) model, because the development of the networking model was funded by DARPA, an agency of the United States Department of Defense.

>>57650559
Dang, we keep like 75% in the states, that's like child support...

>>57650651
Intel is literally the only useful company in your list
Apple just gets chinks to put their shit together for cheap in Taiwanese sweatshops and then ups the price by 2000%, won't even give any of it to the chinks
Microsoft is just spiralling downwards by making their products more shittier and intrusive every single month and hasn't done anything useful past Windows 7
AMD just produces shit hardware in general

>Literally nobody benefits from some hunk of metal being somewhere out there in space

We will benefit from it when we get off this planet, you moron, in order to further increase the survival rate of mankind, you fucknut
Don't tell me you're one of those "durr y dont we just explor de oceans instead :)))))))" people
There's fucking nothing down there and we wouldn't survive if a catastrophic event were to destroy the planet

>>57650439
>shit weather
What the fuck, are you a calicuck or something? Cold is fucking amazing, the only state I'd ever consider moving to is Alaska.

>>57646709
That girl is a Mongol

>>57650697
>Intel is literally the only useful company in your list
If consumers didn't buy their shit, they would've already disappeared, which is certainly not the case.
>>57650701
>Cold is fucking amazing
Go fuck yourself.

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>>57650705
A qt mongoloid though

>>57650716
>If consumers didn't buy their shit, they would've already disappeared
Except no, because there still hasn't been a single company who could rival their CPUs, ya dingus

>>57646439
Are you fucking stupid? I make slightly more than you do and after all the taxes and payments half of it goes to taxes nigger. Welcome to Funland Muhammed

>>57650701
It's a shame that getting a good tech sector job is basically impossible in Alaska and the data lines are garbage.

>Finnish developers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzPdPYtqBt0

>>57650192
>he can't distinguish traps from real girls

>>57650751
>because there still hasn't been a single company who could rival their CPUs,
And there won't be, moron.

>>57651482
Isn't that AnzuJaamuu? I thought she actually was a trap, I guess I was just being memed on...

>>57651609
You got memed hard, she is a very cute girl.

>>57652028
>she is a very cute girl
For me

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>>57652120
hmmm

>>57650439
>can't drink tap water
>required to get tips to even live off minimum wage
>any nigger or police can randomly shoot you on the street
USA is a 3rd world, why would you move there

>>57647465
Conversational maybe, but that doesn't mean they would be good enough to be able to work with someone who only speaks english.

My salary in a minor us tech hub is more than double that.

lol

>>57652393
>can't drink tap water
But that's wrong, you fucking clueless eurofag.
>>required to get tips to even live off minimum wage
>i don't understand capitalism
>>any nigger or police can randomly shoot you on the street
You literally import rapefugees from Africa. Pot kettle much?

>>57646979
kinda like how ur wasting ur life rn senpai

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>>57646591
>Niggerian
>game developer
>implying you ever saw more advance technology then ak-47 and mud cookies in your entire life.
Gtfo weak bait nigger.