Are desktop PCs going to be the old cars for millennial males?

>>57573043
portable computers cant run games though so desktop ones are objectively not obsolete

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Technology that's simple enough to see the workings is interesting. Now that an entire motherboard is essentially on the processor itself there's not much to be done with it.

Not only that, but what hobbyists are doing with old tech is actually really staggering and I could spend a day talking about it.

Also, they have an inherent character to them. You would never confuse any component of an Apple ][ with a Commodore 64, or an Amiga 1200 to an Atari ST. Their OS' also continue this identity.

There's something special about putting two pieces that fit together. Like putting OS/2 on an old Thinkpad. It's unapologetically what it is.

>>57573236
>portable computers cant run games

How many copies of Angry Birds have been downloaded?

>>57573257
I mean games with good graphics, not normie shit

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>>57573236
>portable computers cant run games

>>57573293
You mean the games most people play on consoles if they play them at all?

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>>57573320
>implying a ricer kiddie space heater is comparable to a modern desktop

>>57573236
what is thunderbolt

>>57573325
consoles dont even compare

>>57573330
this

>>57573334
A hardware interface

>>57573320
>paying $2000 to run modern gayms at 20fps 720p on a 13" screen

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>>57573330
Ok kid.

>>57573340
>consoles dont even compare
Oh, I'm sorry anon, but they do. I'm terribly sorry but you fell for the "master race" meme, and its cost you thousands.

PC games are ports of the console, that's why they default their controls like they do.

>B-b-but muh grafix

Who gives a shit about the graphics? It's the gameplay that's important; that's why they're called games.

>>57573382
>paying ANY money to run modern games

Stop supporting trash.

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>>57573383
Truly the epitome of portability and all other advantages inherent with the form factor.

>>57573394
>who gives a shit about graphics
wew

>>57573383
The same performance plus amazing new features, such as thermal throttling, at only 200% the cost of a standard desktop PC!

>>57573437
If visuals are so important watch a movie.

>>57573439
Don't forget the 140db fans and two hour battery life.

The premium price tag is for those unique features.

>>57573394
>Who gives a shit about graphics?
Well you're arguing against a point saying desktops are still relevant because of their potential graphical fidelity.

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>>57573439
Not to mention that that thing is NEVER going to leave the desk, effectively making it a KEKED desktop for PLEBS.

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>>57573425
What the hell is that tumour growing on the back of the laptop?

>>57573043

Yes, I've been thinking this for awhile now.

Modern computing is going to get more and more like modern mechanics. Manufacturers will make it increasingly harder to do anything 'under the hood' so to speak. Things in consumer electronics will be less and less modular as time goes on.

There will always be a market for people who want to actually tear open their shit and customize/tweak/fix-it-themselves, but they will become an increasingly small minority of hobbyists, as opposed to the majority of computer users like they were 20 years ago.

>>57573330
They can be. Some of them have the desktop versions of i7s and GTX 1080s. They just cost a fortune.

There are even laptops ("portable computer") with Xeons in them.

>>57573334
GPU integrated into one port and charging usb c thunderbolt peripheral dock when

>>57573043
I think much of it also has to do with the fact that these machines are now a part of history, the effects of which are unavoidable in the present age.

In many ways these machines are the ancestors of all modern personal technology. To be able to refurbish them and use them functionally while simultaneously using their offspring is pretty marvelous.

>>57573475
The Vampire 2 blew my mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S3B8a8N83k

This is the kind of shit people are in to retro computing for.

I've seen cards for Apple 2s that allow it to connect to USB printers by having basically hplip running on a small CPU that the Apple 2 thinks is a serial printer and...It's fantastic.

Insane, but fantastic.

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>>57573512
I don't really like this concept as much as when I see people do amazing things with hardware that existed at the time like SymbOS is doing.

This is the "PCS are dead" clickbait meme that journalists have been jerking off about since 2007 or so, making people think that necessary tools are memes.

Web apps are slowly replacing traditional software but the software in question has to be for text, pictures, relational databases, etc. You simply can't replace some software with anything web based because too much power needs to be on the PC. You'd need a massive internet connection for cad, modeling, or anything else that needs a lot of rendering power. Same for high end games which you can't pretend doesn't exist when it's a billion dollar industry.

It's true that for most offices you could have tablets and web based software, but you're a fucking moron if you think that the only reason that someone has a PC is because they "won't change". There's also a problem of way too much proprietary software relying on also proprietary hardware out there and people have to stick with one OS. Anything from the 80s is almost certainly circlejerk tier by now though.

The retro threads have nothing to do with this, since those "PCs" don't do a task, they just buy them and look at them and jerk off. They are completely separate retards. You're completely right about making the comparison for boomers and cars to some 80s shit PC, but modern workstations exist for a reason and that reason is they need power right there and there's no way any internet connection will support even software that might exist for it yet.

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>>57573425
Stay mad kid.

>>57573464
Underrated

>>57573615
>Same for high end games which you can't pretend doesn't exist when it's a billion dollar industry.

On consoles, anon. On consoles.

Oh and web apps do work on phones, and a lot of newer ARM processors now have specific VMs for java and such requirements built in.

And if you think people are doing CAD and 3D rendering on home desktops you're mistaken. Calling them "desktops" is very disingenuous.

>>57573691
>PC games don't exist because I say so
this must be /v/'s "PC gaming is dead". also circa 2007

>>57573467
it's almost certainly an egpu. You can make these yourself nowadays but you have to do research in advance and get the few laptops that support it. also need a laptop with an expresscard port. Most of the thinkpad X and T series *20 and up work with this

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This is the future.

Why?

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>>57573789
feelsbadman

>>57573789
>install software on windows
>it can do anything it wants
>install software on android
>it can do anything it wants, and it has to tell you so
result of "muhprivacy" journalist clickbait shits again

>>57573789
Because the OS maker do not want you to have a private life. And it's not just the future. It's the past, the present and the future.

>>57573820
dumbphone shits are some of the most hilariously stupid and stubborn retards on earth

owned an SIII for 4 years and never once took a selfie, used any social media, or played any games. Smartphones are great for business, wi-fi tethering, being able to run almost any programming language, android lets you run custom apps out of the box without rooting.

who gives a shit if kids play games. dumbphones have games. computers have games. you can use your car to play games like going to a demolition derby and ruining it. but you don't because you're responsible. stop this stupid meme of insisting that smartphone users are all automatically children because of games. you don't really know what you're talking about and basically becoming exactly what OP was thinking about, just really scared of it all and making up some psuedo-excuse.

>>57573464
this.

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What went wrong?

Desktop PCs are the tech equivalent of ricing a car.

Your loud AMD piece of shit you put together for $500 is like a riced out 90s Honda

Your GTX Titty and i7 6900k inside a LED adorned case are like an Armo putting a fugly bodykit on his salvaged Mercedes

Actual rich people looking for performance just get a Ferrari and Macbook Pro

what the fuck is wrong with your brain?

the answer is fucking NO. the fact you even used 'retro threads on /g/' as some sort of supporting statement shows how fucking disconnected from reality you are.

stay in school

I love desktops. I built my first one this year, and like some dudes and their cars, I named my computer and refer to it as a girl.

I'm going to build another computer pretty soon and give it a nice paint job and everything. Of course, the computer has to serve a purpose. I don't buy computers with processors from all the way back in 2002 and before.

I even want to buy a Mac Mini and mod the shit out of it too. Like give it a really sexy paint job.

>>57573826
>>install software on windows
>>it can do anything it wants

except it can't... they can't browse all your files, run at all times, access all your personal information

>>57573912
There are a whole lot of missing generations here.

>>57573940
>fagintosh
Yeah, if they want a fake Ferarri that explodes and only goes 30 miles an hour.

>>57573912
No it's great.
In 10-20 years, literally every white male is going to be a crossdressing sissy and it's going to be glorious.

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>>57573989
>he thinks white males will still exist

How cute.

>>57574000
No, white people are just the new nigger of the USA.

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>>57573912
What went wrong?

>>57573615
You have missed the point of this thread and can't see the forest for the trees, anon.

Desktop PC != Workstation

Desktops will be all but extinct in 10 years. You might see a few here and there in a public building like a library or school, but they will be pale imitations of what used to be.

The desktop PCs used in places of business will become terminals acting as only I/O and basic processing while everything else is done over the network (think Chromebooks). Home PCs used by professionals will be workstations suited to their particular needs.

>>57573820
Whatever happened to Ubuntu phones? I'm kinda surprised that Google didn't try to steal that concept because it could've really caught on, or maybe they tried and I just wasn't aware of it

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>>57574051
Not if MS and HP have anything to say about it.

>>57573878
Now that you've got this unrelated rant off your chest do you fancy commenting on the post you quoted?

>>57573940
>implying Macbooks don't use the same technology as what you just shat on

Or do you miss the good ol' days of Macs using Motorola processors?

>>57574059
see >>57574081

>>57573467
Liquid cooling system docking station.

>>57574081
I saw this in a microsoft store, and it seemed like a nice idea, but it was trapped behind a disgusting proprietary standard and operating system stack.

Also, if you lose your phone, you lose your desktop computer, I'd rather keep them separate.
I consider my phone expendable, but my computer is not.

>>57573464
This. Got one 4 years ago and I have only moved it from my desk when I was cleaning it. Since it was a present I don't mind either way, but my next machine will be a proper desktop again.

>>57574088
sure

Replace "What we got instead" with "what dumbphone shits think"

add a new row
>"What is actually happening"
>show rooted android providing wi-fi to a bunch of laptops
>gps, e-mail, running web apps
>$130 chink phone better than locked down garbage
>dual boot linux

another row
>"Typical dumbphone shit"
>You have 0 messages and 0 texts
>"muh buttons"
>"muh keyboard... fuck swype"
>im better than u

>>57574100
>>57574081
I mentioned Google in my post for a reason. I have literally only known one person who owned a Windows Phone, if this type of computing is to catch on, it will not be spearheaded by Microsoft or >HP.

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>>57574132
>he doesnt sync everything to the cloud

>>57574162
>cloud

Are we seriously at the point where /g/ is actually positive towards the botnet?

>>57574081
That is exactly what I was talking about. That phone is just going to act as something to drive the screen and capture input from the keyboard. It's not going store data locally or do the heavy lifting when it comes to processing.

>>57574179
Well, we were already born into a botnet. It's called being a citizen of a country.

>>57573394
Mods and user created content are a huge factor, though. I'd reckon that console Skyrim is rather dead, yet there are still ever new mods and overhauls being released on PC. Not to mention shooters.
>Playing shooters on a console
It's like playing a Stradivari with a Salami

>>57574202
That and PC is a better value to the consumer in the long run anyways.

>>57574179
I use cloud storage, but I don't trust cloud storage companies.
All my backups are gzip tarballed and encrypted before uploading.

>>57573293
> I mean games with good graphics, not normie shit
Tautology

>>57573043
What a stupid ass post. Stop trying to compare things to unrelated things.

>>57574020
Show us 'anime is real life1.jpg'?

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>>57574132
>>57574081
>>57574151
>>57574193
You know you can get this with any phone that has MHL, right? every flagship phone after 2012 has it.

MHL cable to HDMI out monitor, then a bluetooth keyboard. any android phone after 2012.

>>57574326
>android
>with m/kb

Good joke.

I hate to admit, but I think OP is right. What's the point in building desktop PC when laptops are gaining so fast. Last lan party I went to, this one guy brought his gaming laptop and display. He was already playing when rest of us were hauling our full atx cases and trying to find enough space for all our shits. His gaymer laptop also cost about the same as our built PC:s. Soon there will not be much point in building.

>>57574382
Isn't the whole point of a lan party to be in good company?
Who cares how fast you can sit down and start playing your autistic MOBA grinder shit.

>>57574382
I like being able to change parts with two thumbscrews rather than 50 tiny screws that you lose any time you open up the case.

>>57574097
my point is people who get desktops are like poorfags ricing their cars for better "performance" when people with money just get a nice, comfy car that just werks.

>>57574402
Yea but I mean that hauling big case around seems like lots of unnecessary work.
>>57574413
Okay. Valid point. I guess it's easier to upgrade PC.

>>57574382
As soon as laptops became viable for games (sometime around 04 or 05), we all switched to laptops.

They could all run the games we played well enough that lugging our computers around simply was not worth it anymore.

I mean, if you're playing UT, Quake 3, Age of Mythology, etc. you don't need much more. Even laptops at the time didn't break a sweat, and none of us splashed out for them.

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>>57574506
The very concept of a lan party is a lot of unnecessary work.
Instead of playing online and communicating over discord, you meet in person, pay travel expenses, probably pay the event organizers, and risk breaking your expensive gaming PC during travel, because enthusiast gaming components are heavy as fuck and likely to bend your motherboard.

>>57574413
Yeah, but how often do you do that?

>>57574532
LAN parties started because paying for an entire night of dial up was shit, and the service was shit, and the speed was shit, and the lag was shit. Playing online pre-broadband was shit.

LAN parties were literally the easier option.

>>57574506
>hauling big case around seems like lots of unnecessary work
Probably because it's not designed for that. Carrying your tower for a LAN party is a rare occurrence, and if it isn't then in that case you have to question whether you're willing to sacrifice power or longevity for portability.

>>57574460
While this is true for a lot of people on this board, I disagree because I built my current tower so that I end up spending less money in the future for when I'm upgrading obsolete components.

>>57574051
That's what people were saying in the 90s and yet here we are.

>>57573330
>>57573340
>>57573382
fucking retard acting so hipster and oldschool, my MSI runs GTA5 high 1080p 60 fps, better than majority of your desktops you fucking retards stuck in 2000

>>57574630
>I disagree because I built my current tower so that I end up spending less money in the future for when I'm upgrading obsolete components.

This is me all over.

>Oh no, I need more power on my processor!
>OH! I can just buy an i7 because it uses the same socket as my current processor!
>Plus, I can use the old processor for another build! Sweet

>>57574532
found the asrock mobo user

>>57574630
>>57574673
>obsolete components

Literally a meme to make you buy things.

>this thing you have that works doesn't really work,
>you'll have to buy a new one that works,
>from us, no less!

>>57574706
The fuck? If I legit need more power for something, then at least with the desktop I can upgrade.

I use shit more a decade or more, easily.

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>>57574668
Have fun NEVER being able to upgrade it and ALWAYS needing MSI to repair it for inevitable thermal failures.

>>57574706
When I replaced my motherboard with an i5 in 2010 I finally had enough spare parts, except for a $30 case, to make another complete PC out of a C2D, which became my server. at the time I may have sold that new PC for $200 or so.

>>57573912
Letting people do what ever the fuck they want to do moral or immoral and condemning anyone who makes fun of them.The World has gone to shit or well atleast the USA

>>57574706
When a game lags on the lowest settings, it lags on the lowest settings, so if it's a game you want then you need to upgrade your parts in order to play it. Same goes for when something you really want to get into (for me it was making vidya in Unity) is not reasonably feasible on your current setup because it's not powerful enough.

>>57574789
To be fair, the hippies and crossdresser furries never affected you.
Let them live their life they way they want and stop judging.

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>>57573320

>>57574817
I do. Doesn't mean I can't have a laugh at their expense online.

>>57574838
Everyone on Earth is a faggot in some way anon. I bet you're a brony or some shit.

>>57574855
Nah, I only jerk it to little girls.

>>57574926
Which is even worse than bronies.

>>57574941
Nah.

>>57573615
>The retro threads have nothing to do with this, since those "PCs" don't do a task, they just buy them and look at them and jerk off.

Any computer can do a task if you have even a ounce of creativity and skill. Some of us enjoy making those old computers do things, a lot of the time things no one thought they could do.

>>57575085
The big secret hardware manufacturers don't want people to know is that software is 90% implementation, not hardware.

There's graphical web browsers for computers with processor speeds measured in single digit MHz.

>>57574633
>and yet here we are.

In the age of the smart phone? Desktops have been stagnant for years.

>>57574831
Hey, I ain't buying that shit but it proves the point.

Desktops will be fully obsolete when projection, holograms, and when graphics cards are efficiently and cheaply made.

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The only arguments against gaming laptops are poorfag arguments.

Prove me wrong.

PROTIP: You can't.

>>57575511

What is battery life
What is actual portability
What is bloatware out the ass under the guise of "gayming optimization"
What are soldered-on parts that require replacing the whole laptop in case of failure

They're a literal waste of money for a problem that doesn't exist. They aren't nearly as portable as regular laptops (that can handle most games at medium resolutions and settings anyway), the ones that actually match desktop power only do so at multiple times the cost of the desktop, and the majority of them are just planned obsolescence. But of course, newfa/g/s honestly believe that wasting money is a virtue, so I can already hear your fingers typing out "lol poorfags" in response.

>>57575617
>t. poorfag

>>57575511
>only reason to get a gaming laptop is portability
>battery lasts 2 hours when not plugged in

So you are buying a laptop that will lay on your desk plugged in 95% of the time... The other 5% being you taking it somewhere in public and plugging it and looking like some autistic weeb.

>>57573043
It's the golden age of desktop computers.

Either you get ridiculous speed for 200 - 400 bucks on ebay or you get even more ridiculous speed for 1000 - 2000 new.

You know, mass production costs will rise when profits shrink. And concerning the smartphone and tablet hype, a shrink of profits on the desktop market is foreseeable.

So enjoy it while it lasts.

In 10 years from now /g/ will say that only professionals need high end exchangeable components, whereas it's mandatory to have them today.

When we start having our Random Access Memory soldered and merged into the CPU chip itself (HBM or Iris RAM for instance), the desktop will officially be dead.

That era is what we are planning for with the soldered RAM on our portables.

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>>57575755
>tfw intel buys samsung and integrates RAM and SSD onto the CPU

Call me back when there's a 27" 5k laptop.

>>57573043
>Retro threads are getting more popular on /g/.
They have always been popular, you're just new.

>>57573293
I had the biggest kek of the day, thanks anon
Shitbrains never cease to amaze

>tfw just bought an Amiga 1200 on Craigslist for $100
>never seen one before in my life, just thought it was cool
a-am I a millennial male?

>>57575996
No, just a hipster.

>>57573394
>PC games are ports of the console, that's why they default their controls like they do.
Sorry, I'm not a poorfag.

I better play multiplats on PC in actual 4k or 1440p with 144FPS on ultra graphics then consoleshit.

>>57575945
>They have always been popular

No they haven't. There were cyberpunk threads where people posted old advertisements, but nothing about anons actually buying the stuff.

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>>57573691
>>57574051
>>57575085
>replying to justin
loving every laugh

>>57576063
>No they haven't.
Yes, since like 2011, they where gone for a few years from here from around 2014 to 2016, where most anons from here where in /vr/ retro computer threads because shitposting got too bad in /g/.

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who would have known faggots that buy gaming laptops are so easily triggered to derail a pretty good thread over one trivial throw-away post?

oh right... everyone

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>>57573615

>>57573475
>increasingly small minority of hobbyists
A minority, sure, but is it really smaller in numbers in comparison with the past? I don't think so.

>>57576064
>thinks he can tell one anon from another

I bet you think the girls from your school post here too

>>57576126
Lurk moar

>>57576126
that last paragraph was practically full to the brim with his signature strawmen

>>57576207
I like his argument that those computers don't task.
While I not only enjoy playing games from my childhood, I actually do pixel art on my Amiga and music with both the Amiga and C64, for work.

>>57576194
tnx mr.hacker

>>57573043
Also, like, no black people.

i predict a desktop pc renassaince (sp?)

a kb+m is something so much smoother and faster when doing a lot of stuff at once. it's just a matter of someone (apple) marketing it right.

it's obviously not going to be like the desktop pc culture of now, normies are not going to be putting together their own pcs.

it might not even be a pc but just a streamed thing which is very natural because everyone's home has a million screens and wifi everywhere. but m+kb type user interfaces are 100% coming back, they're that much better. eventually ppl will realise the touch etc user interfaces right now are designed for children, old people and animals. you can't do anything quickly or efficiently with them.

>>57574179
You might wanna loosen that tinfoil hat a bit, it's cutting blood flow off your brain.

>>57576250
>>57575085
please stop pretending your sub 200 mhz, can't-render-html cpu can do "work" like meme pixel "art". they are just used to jerk off. even the games can be emulated much better than the original but you'll just use the "muh feel" cop out as usual.

>>57577165
Moron spotted. HTML was invented when home CPUs were well under 100. Even Windows 95 recommended anything above 12Mhz.

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>>57577165
Baiting is art, but this is just shit.
Not even worth a argument for keks.

>>57577165
who gives a fuck about shitty old games justin

it keks me to no end when you accuse us of living in the past while you're the one squandering the incredible power and convenience modern hardware on that fucking childish garbage, you're probably one of those faggot tryhards who thinks nothing made after 2000 is a "real" game too

>>57573464
I don't play games but I'm assuming the advantage of a gaming laptop would be to take it over to a friend's place for LAN tournament parties.

>>57577758
Don't tell that to /vr/

>>57577758
Fucking savage post.

>>57574594
Glad someone puts perspective regarding why people dealt with the headaches. Also holy fuck even shitty prebuilts were heavy as fuck then. We still have an 'old' Dell at work from the Pentium 4 days for running legacy motor manipulators and that shit weighs 1.5 times easy what some i3 vostro weighs.

>>57577165
>sub 200 mhz, can't-render-html cpu
You've really exposed yourself this time, anon.

I was using a Pentium I 166mhz CPU to browse the internet as late as 2005. I think I might have watched have even watched some youtube videos on it. And this was not some effort to do it for some "retro" sake. It was the only computer I had around.

>>57578087
>browse the internet as late as 2005
ok kid

http://www.burncopy.com/bestoftheweb.html

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>>57573043
So glad I've always been content with emulation and never got into this hardware gayness, especially with all the resellers now aware and capitalizing on it.

Yeah it might be fun to find a $5 Tandy at Goodwill and relive some memories for an afternoon, but all that shit is scooped up and resold to chumps for $250.

>>57574668
And your laptop will burn itself out in 6 months doing the same thing that my 6 year old alienlol desktop does just as well if not better.

>>57573043

Maybe, but better. You don't have to change the oil on your PC. You can also run it on electricity instead of gasoline.

>>57578087
nigger you're lying

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>>57578683
Nope. The PC in question was my Dad's PC I would use on the weekends when I came home to visit every other week. My own PC was a Pentium III box at the time. It looked just like this.

He still has it in a storage container, and I've thought about getting it back out and putting everything back together (I gutted it for fun some years ago) and posting it in the retro threads for (you)'s.

This PC was also the back-up PC when I was in high school when I inevitably fucked up my own Pentium II at the time trying to do one thing or another (such as change a setting in Linux and kill the GUI).

>>57578746
What I'm saying is you didn't use it to browse the net in 2005. Yes you could find some sites that you could load bust most were unbrowsable, and you sure as fuck didn't play a youtube video on it.

>>57578801
But I did. I was there, I did it. Deal with it. I do think I upgraded the ram to 64mb beforehand.

I've actually been considering getting rid of my desktop pc and just buying either an all in one or a laptop.

much less crowded and less cables

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>>57578871
How about a computer with the keyboard built-in?

The form factor of a computer should be able to be built quite nicely using modern components.

Well if we get external GPUs and decent cooling I might actually think of switching to a laptop system.

But then again what's the point when it's probably going to just sit on my desk 24/7. Might as well get a desktop at that point. And of I actually need a laptop, I would just get an ultrabook. Or hopefully by then We get foldable displays and I can actually fold my phone into a tablet

>>57573512
It's cheating if the CPU you're plugging in is more powerful than the machine ita connected to.
Like using a raspberry pi to mine Bitcoins on the nes.

Desktop computers are dying off. They're alive for their input method and power.

Input method as in mouse and keyboard. Some things can't beat it. At least not now. Mobile can't solve it now. Maybe never. Maybe people will just prefer keyboard over touch.

Swift typing, voice typing, and portable keyboards for the Surface improve things a lot.

Power in terms of three monitors. More real estate. Computing power is debatable because an S7 now is significantly faster than most computers a few years ago.

If you're a consumer, a phone is better. Laptop at most.

If you're a creator, a computer is best. Laptop if you're a casual creator like an online business or something.

That's what I've noticed in my life and people around me. I'd never use desktops... Maybe laptops sometimes if I wasn't a programmer or creator.

>>57575656
I didn't realize owning a gaming laptop now makes someone wannabe Japanese. This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere.

>>57579147
>If you're a consumer, a phone is better.
The fuck am I going to use my phone for? It's acceptable for browsing mobile friendly sites... and that's it.

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>>57575239
This.

>>57573330
As technology gets more advanced, laptops will be able to run with higher and higher specs.

Maybe programs will just get more and more unoptimized though.

Can I buy a laptop with two xenons in it?

I have a need.

for speed

>>57573627
What's the battery life like?

>>57579310
but.. where is the l3 cache?

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>>57579454
>l3 cache
kek, obsolete shit

>tfw grew up using Win 95 through XP
>tfw nothing feels comfy because my brain is wired to use these OSes

Win 7 is okay-ish, but it's like being perpetually a little sick. I'm not at 100% with it, and never will be.

>>57579495
Gotta wonder what the point of l4 cache is when it is slower than system memory.

>>57579563
It's probably Iris RAM.

>>57573043
Nostalgia works on all things.
Old rich people will spend lots of money for junk from their youth chasing those same old feelings.

>>57578910
nobody actually serious about computing wanted that shitty unexpandable form factor even in the '80s, modern SFF systems are vastly superior in almost every way to what is basically a beheaded laptop with no battery

>>57573043
>People are paying hundreds of dollars for keyboards that were being thrown in the garbage ten years ago.

FUCKING TELL ME ABOUT IT

If I had only known back in 2006 what current prices would be like, I would have hoarded everything I could

Ditto for console collecting

>>57578801
you can still browse the internet on that caliber of hardware today if you really want depending on what you do, it's more than enough for casual imageboard shitposting, wiki surfing and other realms of the textual web

in 2005 there were still many sites that were quite lightweight and designed with shitty anemic hardware in mind, running a P166 in 2005 is chronologically no different from using a C2D in 2016, and there were a hell of a lot of people doing it too because that shit was expensive as fuck

>and you sure as fuck didn't play a youtube video on it.
does /g/ do fucking anything on the internet but waste away in front of shitty videos, hardly anyone gave a fuck about that shit in 2005 compared to now

>>57573320
That laptop has like a 2 hour battery life.

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>>57580127
>tfw I ALMOST bought one of those solid-looking beige keyboards I saw in the bargain bin at cash converters for $5 back in 2004

Oh well, at least I bought pic related on release.

>>57573043
That's one quality OP. Thank you

>>57573247
>Now that an entire motherboard is essentially on the processor itself there's not much to be done with it.
dude what??

>>57573464
+1

>>57580368
>thrift stores used to have tons of old hardware
>now shit gets picked over quick as fuck by collectors

A couple months ago I stopped by a thrift store near my house just to see what they had. There was an intellimouse for $5. I didnt have cash on me so I stopped by the next day. It was gone by then.

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>>57580127
>tfw have three model Ms.

>>57578087
>>57578801
We had systems that old at my workplace, browsing the web, as late as 2007. Flash-based sites rendered them basically useless but I can confirm that Youtube was technically possible if you let the video preload completely (which they still did at the time).

>>57573043
No.

Components die and unlike cars where you can fix a 60 year old engine, you will never be able to fix a 20 year old CPU without replacing it entirely.

Secondly, most restored cars have a use in modern day society - old PCs do not.

>>57580828
ARRRRRGHHHHH FUUUUUUCK
I MISS MY IBM KEYBOARD

>>57580863
>old inefficient gas sucking pieces of shit have a use in modern day society
not really

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>>57573236
my 2005 centrino can run solitaire, now what nigga?

>>57573464
Wtf I hate desktop now

>>57573236
Objectively not obsolete, yes, but unless you're a pcmasterracegamer or doing some heavy cgi/video editing shit there is no reason why a desktop is better than a laptop.

>>57573293
>saying "normie"
Fuck off already.
>>57573236
>the only use of desktop computers is gaming
Jesus Christ.

>>57577758
>>57577849
>>57577890
samfagging your bait so hard

>>57574020
>what went right
Anzu a cute.

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>>57573043
Is this the new luddite thread?

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>>57573043
When you name the thread /retro/, they stay away because they are scared of being dumb.
When you give a question out with the thread, the "hardware and software experts" of /g/ suddenly come here thinking they know shit.

>>57580573
>thrift stores used to have tons of old hardware
>now shit gets picked over quick as fuck by collectors
Not really, they just recycle it and don't even put it out to sell.

Go make some contacts in the shop. There are no more collectors then there where 10 years ago, just that now people also try to make money out of it.

>>57582083
>Not really, they just recycle it and don't even put it out to sell.
True dat.
Anything electrical is considered faulty because they get so much faulty electrical stuff donated.
They don't have anyone legally qualified to test the stuff and aren't indemnified against customer claims if it is faulty and somebody dies as a result.

>>57573820
>could have been
Did the windows phone thing get canned? I gave up last year

>>57573615
Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

>>57581051
3-5x the performance at half the price

it's cheaper to get a gaming desktop and a laptop that's good at being a laptop than it is to get a single gaming laptop

>>57573754
jesus fucking christ the thinkpad special dock is far less ugly than this, and several of the thinkpads it supports are still competitive laptops

I'd rather buy a dock off of ebay than have that ugly ass beast

probably cheaper, too

>>57578910
Don't worry - they'll come back once VR cyberdecks are viable. But for now you can buy this: retropc64 dot jimdo dot com

>>57582642
Fucking disgusting.

>>57580078
These days such a form factor is perfectly capable for most users. All the expandability most people want is storage and maybe memory. Stick a low TDP processor in it so it cools passively and you've got yourself a nifty little office and web browsing machine, with the advantage over a laptop being a full size screen.

>>57582048
how is this thing running nextstep?

>>57579412
2h40min

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>>57574668
>1080p
>60fps

jesus christ man, you paid $2000 for that?

>>57574051

People have been saying this since the early 90s and it's just NOT going to happen

Primary fucking reason?
>networks down
>"Sorry everyone, better go home for the day. If only you could work on a machine that didn't need the network to let you do things".

The way you're talking now about how "doing things on the network will mean less need for hardware" just doesn't work out in reality.

There are a graveyard of failed gaming services and failed projects to prove that it's a fucking terrible idea.

There's also scalability issues too, more users means more cost on both network and hardware for the company. Massive companies like Google can manage that but in practice most startups and tech businesses can't.

>>57573940

>Macbook Pro
chrisevanslaughing.gif

>>57573970

what do you think viruses are then? what do you think rootkits are?

you realize it's borderline trivial to control someone's system remotely regardless of whether a program is running in user space or kernel space

>>57577910

If the younger generation can't understand basic concepts of how LAN > dialup or ISDN god help us

the fucking advantages couldn't be more fucking obvious

>>57574326
You're missing the point, the device does not mirror it's screen.
Instead it provides an actual desktop.

>>57582315
What are you talking about exactly? The phone running windows or continuum?
If that's the former, it's a Fujitsu Loox, and it's japan-only. Goes by the code F-07C.
If the latter, it exists, but only for current windows phones running botnet 10

>>57581051
Most serious work benefits immensely from increased screen real estate. I'm a programmer and my current 1440p@27"+1080p@23" setup is basically the minimum for me to be productive now.

I'm aware that you can connect external monitors to laptops, but if it's always used at home anyway, what's the point? A laptop will always be slower than its equivalently-priced desktop, so why give up power and extensibility etc for the sake of being able to take it to starbucks?

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>>57578118
step 1: get a SCART/RGB TV or PVM
step 2: get/make a VGA>SCART/RGB cable
step 3: get a nice old keyboard and/or original/replica controllers (+ usb adapters if required)
step 4: configure computer to output original resolutions/video modes to the TV/PVM
step 5: ???
step 6: enjoy original experience without the cost/hassle

clip related, not even someone who owns the actual arcade board could tell it was emulated

>>57583945
>needing to spend 100s to be able to do work that used to be done on 80 column displays

Anon, I think you fell for a whole cascade of memes. You're dealing with pure text that never goes past 70 characters wide (unless you're an asshole), in a single column going down. You're talking about real estate, yet you are using only the first 1/10 of it.

Productivity is a state of mind.

>>57574668
the pc i made in 2000 ran GTA3 high 1024p 60fps

>>57583984
>enjoy original experience without the cost/hassle
nope

>>57583984
>clip related, not even someone who owns the actual arcade board could tell it was emulated
is this nigga serious?

>>57573043
Normal desktops will probably die. The workstation market will remain because server cpus will always be needed.

>>57578118
I have a collection of 19 machines, including things like DEC Rainbow and NeXTcube, none of them ever costed me more than $30.
I only keep those who I actually mess around with and don't put them into cold storage.

>>57573330
They are because they use the same GPU as a desktop.

>>57573789
Because google asks for the permissions at install time instead of asking when they are actually requested at runtime like in a webbrowser.

>>57573475

Yeah but your new Lexus with an impenetrable plastic engine cover isn't a window for the NSA to spy on you.

>>57575787
They already did that with Xeon Phi. The CPU has HMC integrated. Also they already have an SSD business they don't need samsung. If they would integrate anything then they would integrate 3D Xpoint and completely remove RAM and SSDs out of the equation.

Main reason desktops are the old cars of millennial males is because housing is not affordable for most of the people now and thus working on a car without a garage/house is too difficult.

Meanwhile, you can work on your computer in the comfort of your car or your room.

>>57579147
>S7 now is significantly faster than most computers a few years ago.
Geekbench shows the theoretical performance of a processor with unlimited cooling because people would get a completely different score on the third run. If the processor is throttling it will pause the benchmark until the phone cooled down. It's completely meaningless on phones.

In practice a phone with a lower overall score could still be better simply because it doesn't throttle as much.

>>57584624
I own a two story house and several cars.

/retro/ takes shitloads of room too, several rooms dedicated to hardware, newer and older.

>>57584736
>In practice a phone with a lower overall score could still be better simply because it doesn't throttle as much.
It would just throttle more.

>>57573512
I like it but what's the point. The Vampire 2 might as well be a standalone board.

>>57584624
Your hobbies and interests define you, if you let your environment and surroundings define your hobbies, then you're doing it wrong and you don't really consider them seriously, hipster shit.
No matter if it's cars or computers.

>>57585107
They will make versions with just the CPU and memory expansion.

Also you don't have to use any other features of the expansion, just keep using everything else like you did and use the CPU/RAM only.

>>57584106
My 1440p is in 2 or 3 columns at all times. Right now I have Xcode in a split view mode with all panes enabled taking up my 1440p, and a two-column Sublime window+a tabbed terminal on my 1080p.

I /could/ write most of my code in a single 80x25char terminal with tmux et al, but why the ever loving fuck would I want to do a thing like that?

>100s
And? That's not a lot of money. It's my job. Anything that improves productivity pays off massively. And frankly, even if I only programmed as a hobby, I'd still buy large screens just to avoid the frustration of working on tiny ones.

Hell I don't even think 27" is large anymore. Seriously considering a 40" 4K for my next one.

>>57585166
>Xcode
stopped reading there

>>57585196
ok

>>57585166
>And frankly, even if I only programmed as a hobby
>delusional, wishing he would actually program as a job faggot detected

>>57578746
>>57578087
>>57580844
sure you can turn it on and "use" it
>try to render html 1.0
>h-haha I'm "using" it
>grinds away trying to render a <p> tag
please stop pretending you are doing anything relevant with it and go back to the retro circlejerk. OP was at least right about you with boomer cars.
>Oh well she turns on!
>that means it drives (it doesn't)

>>57585281
ok

>>57573394
>Who gives a shit about the graphics?
Sonyggers

>>57579514
True. Even the "classic" GUI in 7 somehow reeks of the taint which was everpresent in Windows since Vista

>>57585321
You're just an idiot is all I can say at this point. You believe a Pentium I could not browse 2000s era internet and this simply factually inaccurate. They could and did.

>>57584194
You would not be able to tell since it's running in the native resolution and I assume that poster knows about sync to refresh mode so you wouldn't see any stuttering or tearing. The game would scroll perfectly smoothly just like the original.

The only tell-tales would be if you know a particular bit of inaccurate emulation like a sprite missing or something like that. Or if you have a super attention to detail you might realize the image is -too- clean compared to the original because PCs can output better RGB signals than most arcade PCBs. Same goes for audio.

>>57586900
yes, it's vsync'd. the clip doesn't reflect that properly as i only had a 50Hz camera, not the same rate as the display

emulation issues is the biggest factor, but in this case, MAME's neo-geo 330 mega emulation is very solid, i've played through the entire game without noticing anything out of place (and i have played it through on a real unit as well)

standard TV's (CRT, 15KHz) and (15KHz) arcade monitors (most are 15KHz) are based on the same technology, the only difference is one has a tuner hanging off of it, and the other an arcade board

>>57586754
justin probably knows that but he uses that strawman because it gets him consistent (You)s

starve him for a while and he'll go back to wasting away on quake or whatever shit '90s kid game he's squandering his time on these days

/vr/ was a mistake

>>57587327
>yes, it's vsync'd.

But what type of V-sync? Old fashioned V-sync is not good enough. You need the new "sync to refresh" option for perfect scrolling.

>>57574706
>components never go obsolete
>technology never advances
>hardware requirements never increase
You must be loving that 286 with 128 KB of RAM.

>>57573437
Fuck off back to /v/ you nigger faggot.

Current gen PC gaming is an extension of the Xbox 360 with the plethora of vapid "Triple-A" cinematic-trash produced by Jews and SJW's.

>>57587520
if you're referring to adjusting the content to match the rate of the display, yes, i was using that
even with the display set to the same rate as that game was intended for, timing errors, however minute, are unavoidable

>>57587520
>>57588043
as a side note, this isn't a good game to test display sync on either way, as it gets quite laggy at times (on original hardware)

>>57573940
I like to think of my FX 8350 + RX 480 build as a '88 Nissan GT-R.

>there are people that live on their phones
How is this possible?

Kids like /g/ always think everything's new. In my mind some of the most active years of vintage computer collecting were around 1999-2001. I was active back then and the community in some ways was larger than it is now. There was a big dropoff in interest in the mid-late 2000s and it seems to be coming back now.

>>57578801

Nigga you dumb. That class of machine was perfectly usable, albeit slow, in 2005. It was only about 6 years old then. I gave my girlfriend a laptop with that same CPU in 2010 and it was fine for Youtube until they changed something about the encoding or player around that time, then it lagged out like crazy.

>>57585110
>followyourdreamssloth.gif
Get your head out of the clouds. Environment has a huge impact on one's hobbies and interests.

It isn't always true that "where there's a will, there's a way." Sometimes you're just destined to end up playing soccer in the streets when you grow up without any baseball fields or equipment (or anyone else who loves baseball) around you. And of course there are simply just varying degrees of dedication to one's hobbies, which is fine too.

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>gaming laptops
>implying for most games, the vidya card isn't the bottleneck
>not just getting a solid business-class laptop and using an eGPU for the occasional gaming session

eGPUs are the future.

>>57573970
what is a trojan.exe?
>flash__HD_update.exe

Funny thing is that I was lucky to grow up with a lot of the hardware that is today considered vintage. My first pc was an IBM 286 with dot matrix printer and 14 inch monitor. Came with Windows 3.0/MS Dos 5.0, MS works 2 and Word 1. Later I got a few games for it, Jones life in the fast lane, MS WEP 1-4 collection, oregon trail, some doctor sim game (forgot name), and some grammer ibm education game (forgot name). At the time I thought it was an awesome pc. Now kids today have no clue about Dos, or any windows past maybe XP. They think XP is old,lol.

>>57588386
Nothing funny or unusual about that. A lot of us older posters are in the same boat.

>>57588286
>that birdnest of wires
>the future

>>57575511
Heat destroys electronic components.
Gaming PCs make a lot of heat.
So here's a great idea, let's take all these super hot components that need tons of airflow to live longer than 3 years, shove them in the confined space of a laptop body, and chuck a couple huge grilles and a pair of tiny compressor fans on it when a similarly-equipped desktop would have at least 3 120mms. Shit companies like MSI also have a habit of cheaping out on cooling, using heatpipes that are too small for example.

So now it's got the battery life of a Game Gear, sounds like a jet airliner, could heat a sauna in the dead of Finnish winter, and has all the ergonomics and portability of a stack of phonebooks. Not to mention it will fail faster the more you power cycle it, and when it does fail it's junk unless you want to risk getting a used mobo off eBay and disassembling the computer down to the chassis. All those high-end components and heavy cooling make it less resistant to being dropped, which is a danger to all laptops but not a desktop.

Gaming laptops are seriously some of the dumbest things you can buy right now. They don't last. If their hardware doesn't fail from general use and abuse, they will become outdated fast without any ability to change the GPU.

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>>57573940
my setup is more like a rat rod

>>57588161
>Kids like /g/
stopped reading there

Really, I did. I don't give a shit what anyone has to say when they start their posts with this manner of language.

>>57588161
I had a bunch of P3 laptops throughout high school (grad, 2007)

They were perfectly fine for web browsing at the time.
Like >>57588161 says, around 2010 something got fucky on YT and older machines started having more trouble. Shit, I remember watching youtube vids and mudah.swf on a Powerbook G3 back in 10 grade or so. Good fucking luck doing shit with a Power Mac now.

>>57573043
I haven't owned laptops for 5-6 years. My last one was an Acer netbook and I loved it.

I liked netbooks because they were portable and I could take it to work and to school with ease, but I only used it to chat on IRC and browse the internet. For everything else (programming most of the time) I used and use desktops.

Nowadays it is possible to get near-desktop performance and experience laptop but it's heavy, it's large and they don't last a minute without being chained to a socket. Honestly do not see the point of a "portable workstation/battlestation" that isn't portable at all.

I think the same of smartphones. One of my highest concerns while buying a new phone is how big it is and how long it lasts without a charge.

I hope that one day I'll be able to buy a 11"-13" laptop with:
- a touchpad that won't make me crave for a mouse
- at least a 1080p panel
- a comfortable and lasting keyboard that isn't noisy
- 12 hour battery
- 500gb of fast storage
- a performant quad core cpu
- a package (chassis + components) that weights one kilo at most
- 8gb ram minimum

I don't even care about dedicated GPU.

>>57573043
Desktop form factor had legs yet, but it is in decline. Mobile is quickly closing the price and performance gap over time. The shift of the market away from white male pc gamers to multicultural female mobile consumers is something we've been talking about in Silicon Valley for ages.

Everyone's forgetting the most obvious advantage of a laptop, tablet, or smartphone: that it doesn't require a constant, large, space set up.

A laptop can be put away and used anywhere, as can a tablet which can be tucked in to a drawer (smartphones are migratory).

To most people this is far more attractive than bang-per-buck.

>>57588587
>Heat destroys electronic components.
Entropy destroys everything apart from itself.

>People are paying hundreds of dollars for keyboards that were being thrown in the garbage ten years ago.
guilty of this. $110 on gateway anykey, $200 on unopened FK-5001.

Whenever I can get my hands on a converged smartphone it will be the end of traditional computers for me and probably most of the population. We're not gamers and we don't use many software tools that require a hearty workstation with copious memory or processing power. What we want is a device that can afford us basic work computing, browsing, and light media entertainment which can be either pocket-mobile or jacked into a desk-bound monitor and keyboard for prolonged static use.

Laptops became popular because they made the portable computer a thing, but because we also need phones they're ultimately domed to redundancy. Once device to rule them all and in the darkness bind them.

>>57589328
I only read as many characters as could fit in one tweet

>>57573293
>games with good graphics, not normie shit

You realize that most normie shit has """"good"""" graphics? Try Microsoft Excel with 3D graphics, otherwise known as EVE Online. My Latitude E6230 can play it just fine - on low, but can play it fine nonetheless. Definitely not a normie game.

>>57588237
You're just lazy and dumb, like most people.

We played baseball on dirt fields.

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>this thread
Oh please just bump limit already so we can get on and away with the idiotic conceptions in this thread.

>>57588603
Has a Mitsubishi heat sink.
Ratrod
Pick one

>>57574146
>dual boot linux
Which model of phone supports that?

>>57575617
>What is battery life
Switchable graphics.

>What is actual portability
They're not much heavier than a business laptop

>What is bloatware out the ass under the guise of "gayming optimization"
Just reinstall your system. Are you on /g/ or /v/?

>What are soldered-on parts that require replacing the whole laptop in case of failure
Like what?
CPUs? Generally socketed.
Motherboard? If it fucks up on a desktop, you'll need to replace it too.
GPU? Some are replaceable. Do your research before buying.

I don't game on either desktop or laptop, but those arguments are pretty old. Like before switchable graphics old.

>>57573820

It all went downhill once people started calling them "smartphones".

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>>57573571
got this running on my msx2. Fucker can run video in a window

>>57592196
I have triple boot on my phone, one with full up to date desktop Debian.>>57592306

All ARM devices support it, it's just locked bootloaders on some that don't let you.

>>57592306
>CPUs? Generally socketed.
>I don't game on either desktop or laptop, but those arguments are pretty old. Like before switchable graphics old.

Actually it's vice versa, CPUs ain't socketed anymore on laptops, they used to be.

>>57592472
I know all ARM devices support it. I've used chroots and so on.

But you still haven't told which model of phone you have that allows you to do that.

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>>57573043
Well they aren't as bad for nature as old cars so sounds fun.

I'm 31 and have jumped over to laptops myself, just for the mobility. Now that you can get almost the same performance on a laptop as you can on a desktop I don't see why not, if you have the extra cash of course.

>>57589573

playing anything on low is disgusting and only shit tier plebs would consider it acceptable.

high or ultra is the lowest any self respecting gamer should ever go.

i just went 4k, do you actually think i'm going to turn down any details? fuck no.

>>57579147
Phones are utterly awful for 'consuming', what are you talking about? The screen is tiny and the input method is inherently limited compared to a keyboard for using social media.

>>57574146
>>57592472
>Lies blatantly during his arguments
>Doesn't deliver
neo /g/ everyone

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>>57573490
E3 Xeons are just i7's without iGPU, and lower clock speeds. E5 Xeons are just i7's without iGPU and a fuckton moar coars

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>>57591472
conceptions such as?

>>57574051
>Desktops will be all but extinct in 10 years

People have been parroting this shit hard since 2009 and yet 2017 is looking to not be the sudden vanishing desktop year.

>>57595199
>yet 2017 is looking to not be the sudden vanishing desktop year.

How many people under 25 do you know with their own personal desktop PC? How many over that age do you know who have bought a new desktop in the last 5 years?

People were right in 2009 and most of those people who said it back then were saying "desktops will be dead in 10 years". Well it's not fucking 2019 yet is it? But it's looking like they'll be on the track to be right. By that time the only two "desktop" PC types left will be gaming machines and workstations.

>>57591448
and you're an idealistic moron that doesn't understand how people actually think

the retard you originally replied to is wrong in that it's the biggest attractor, but to say that the inexpensiveness and small footprint of that hobby isn't a big upside when compared to more expensive, tedious and space-hogging hobbies is just narrow-minded and dumb

>>57595604
not him but I know quite a few in both age groups who use desktops and don't care (you're asking for anecdotes, here you go), normies use whatever the fuck gets the job done and many people still like to have a screen larger than 13 inches and real interface devices to go with it, modern touch pads are cancer and everything worth a shit is intensely overpriced, plus tablets and phones exist now, laptops are the dying breed if anything

>Well it's not fucking 2019 yet is it? But it's looking like they'll be on the track to be right. By that time the only two "desktop" PC types left will be gaming machines and workstations.
that's only two years away and there's nothing to suggest a shift that drastic will happen but a couple of narrow-minded, out of touch hipsters that won't shut the fuck up about it on their personal blogs

>>57592604
>self respecting gamer
that's an oxymoron

haha nah just kidding

>>57594059
>moar coars
kek

MOAR COARS!

>>57595604
My 9 year old brother has a desktop.

I bought myself a desktop because laptops spend 99% of their time hooked up to power on a desk anyway.

And any casual/hobby user who wants an actual/multiple screen is going to stick with a desktop. Let alone people who do real work.

>>57594024
>Lies blatantly during his arguments
Where? My old SII and N900 both have multi boots.

It feels like the choice of components is already a lot lower on some websites.